Tony And Chandra !!! Godlike ?

[Angelou]

In computer games whenever someone is on some sort of winning streak we call them godlike simply because they are kicking ass. And I think Tony and Chandra are doing exactly that ! Not only that but, they are really inspirational in their style of play and their undenyable teamwork brings tear to my heart:crying::crying::crying: Koo Kan Kiet and his partner can learn much from these two, and who knows ! they might make a suprising victory ^^ I'm hoping to see a 3 set matches with the matches going over 21 points !:eek::D:p

[kwun]

btw, it is Candra, not Chandra...

[virusvoodoo]

btw, it is Candra, not Chandra...

Correct!

Only with pronounciation when it is "Chandra".

[Angelou]

o solly candra XD

[cao ci dan]

o solly candra XD
said so to Koo Kien Keat too!!:p

[v1nc3nt]

hahaha..."Godlike"? you're talking about DotA aren't you? :P

[Lennethe]

if Tony and Candra is godlike, then Koo and Tan will be beyond godlike XD

[Angelou]

oic I it's Koo Kien Keat ? XD i'm getting bashed for incorrect name spelling ... And yeah I do play DotA XD. I must be pretty transparent.

[Lennethe]

There they won, they are beyond godlike!!!hahahahahhaha

[phaarix]

oic I it's Koo Kien Keat ? XD i'm getting bashed for incorrect name spelling ... And yeah I do play DotA XD. I must be pretty transparent.

Haha, DotA is cool :cool:.

[bad_fanatic]

This doubles partner is really amazing. Them, Jens Eriksen and Martin Lungard (not sure how you spell his name) has proven that you can play competitive badminton at a high lever even at old age. Amazing.

However at the MO finals I thought that Tony didn't do his job so well. The roll of the person who playing in the front is to set up for the guy in back and finish when the opponent gives a weak reply. I thought that Tony didn't set up for Candra at all. He kept on engaging in the net push and the drives.

Not to take anything away from the Malaysians. They played really well tonight. TBH did an excellent job with his net blocks and taking the pace off and setting up for KKK.

Over all, it was an exciting game to watch.

[Kamen]

I thought that Tony didn't set up for Candra at all.

it was not that he did not. it was a matter of "could" not cause the malaysian pair was so dominant.

[zqloy]

This doubles partner is really amazing. Them, Jens Eriksen and Martin Lungard (not sure how you spell his name) has proven that you can play competitive badminton at a high lever even at old age. Amazing.

However at the MO finals I thought that Tony didn't do his job so well. The roll of the person who playing in the front is to set up for the guy in back and finish when the opponent gives a weak reply. I thought that Tony didn't set up for Candra at all. He kept on engaging in the net push and the drives.

Not to take anything away from the Malaysians. They played really well tonight. TBH did an excellent job with his net blocks and taking the pace off and setting up for KKK.

Over all, it was an exciting game to watch.
U're right. But to be precise Tony was outplayed by KKK at the net at some point and were force made errors. Later they changed strategy by lifting up the shuttle to the youngsters & untilised their own excellent defense, it did work for a few points until it was too late....

[weeyet]

now koo/tan have nearly defeated all top pairs in the world except Eriksen/Lungaard and Jung Jaesung/Lee Yong-dae.

[zqloy]

now koo/tan have nearly defeated all top pairs in the world except Eriksen/Lungaard and Jung Jaesung/Lee Yong-dae.

I think they hv already defeated the Danish pair b4 in Japan Open last year.

[Titan]

wow..I dont know what rexy has done to the boys but their defense were solid...

[llpjlau]

rexy is an amazing coach. he is enthusiastic, seriousa and at the same time, a partner to these guys. he is one of the best coaches i have ever seen.
the malaysian pair really have to be giving lots of credit. ranked 117 in the world, the went againts all odds.

[bic33]

U're right. But to be precise Tony was outplayed by KKK at the net at some point and were force made errors. Later they changed strategy by lifting up the shuttle to the youngsters & untilised their own excellent defense, it did work for a few points until it was too late....

that's my exact observation... lobbing the shuttle has worked for tony and candra... they got close to KKK and TBH.. but sadly, it was already too late... down 12-18, they lost 21-18... a 6-3 run is hard to do against KKK and TBH...:)

[Nephrus]

I say rematch in Korea Open :D the godlike dispute shall continue then.

[virusvoodoo]

I say rematch in Korea Open :D the godlike dispute shall continue then.

Not to take anything from the newly form pair of KKK/TBH but if they can win 2 All England's, 2 World Championships titles, and Olympics title with different partners (especially someone from a weak country such as Howard Bach) then yes they are legends just like Tony Gunawan.

[cooler]

candra and tony didn't practiced much since their last tournament. I wouldnt rule this veteran pair to win titles in 2007 out at all.

[doremi]

There are 3 stages for the Malaysian badminton players. Beat them at home, beat them at neutral ground and beat them in Indonesia! And I think these two can actually accomplish this feat. Let's wait and see. :)

[cooler]

i just finish watching the MO MD final. Amazingly high caliber badminton. Overall, both MAL and TG/CW played really well, especially the 2nd set. The young MAL pair won it by their slight edge on speed and reflexes over TG/CW. Tony and candra got off a slow start in game 1, behind 4-10 before getting into their true form which is unfortunate because clawing back is tough under NSS. Too bad i want to see a 3rd set to see if the young MAL pair can with the improving TG/CW during the match.

[ctjcad]

...after watching the match, credit to the MAS pair. They came ready to play, listened to Rexy and stuck to their gameplan. Didn't show much, if any, jitters thruout the whole match. However, i think Tony&Candra just made a bit more unforced errors thruout the match. Seemed like they were rushing their shots a bit(esp. from Tony) or just out-guessed themselves with their shots.
It should be interesting to see how both pairs will fare, the next time they should meet.;) :cool:

[ctjcad]

I say rematch in Korea Open the godlike dispute shall continue then.

There are 3 stages for the Malaysian badminton players. Beat them at home, beat them at neutral ground and beat them in Indonesia! And I think these two can actually accomplish this feat. Let's wait and see. :)

It should be interesting to see how both pairs will fare, the next time they should meet
...hehe, looking @ the KO draw & barring any upsets or defeats, the only rematch we'll see between KKK/TBH vs. TG/CW is in the Finals..:p:D;)http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/images/icons/icon14.gif

[azabaz_ipoh]

i think we should neglect the ranking as a measuring stick for KKK and TBH. unlike the singles where the ranking will depends solely on yourself and the tournaments you play at, the doubles will change ranking when they change partners and all. so really, KKK and TBH are up there with the big boys regardless of ranking. now speaking of game play and strategy, i do think the malaysian pair played better on that day, and TG/CW made more mistakes than usual. all in all the best team on that day won. i am so glad that malaysia finally have another doubles that have the potential to be great like razif-jailani and cheah soon kit-soo beng kiang. in fact i see a lot of resemblance in terms of team dynamics between KKK/TBH and CSK/SBK. the older one looks to be the leader and the motivator. the other seems the strong and silent type. TBH did not say anything during the after match interview by wong choon han (by the way, cool interviewer, ha ha ha), and KKK keeps talking about himself saying I did ok, and I made less mistakes, and really no WE comment at all. nonetheless, i see bright futures ahead. now if malaysia can just have another good singles player or another good doubles player, then maybe, just maybe, we can win the thomas cup again. :D

[cooler]

i just finish watching the MO MD final. Amazingly high caliber badminton. Overall, both MAL and TG/CW played really well, especially the 2nd set. The young MAL pair won it by their slight edge on speed and reflexes over TG/CW. Tony and candra got off a slow start in game 1, behind 4-10 before getting into their true form which is unfortunate because clawing back is tough under NSS. I like to see a 3rd set wondering if the young MAL pair would crack under pressure from the veteran TG/CW during the match

[zqloy]

i think we should neglect the ranking as a measuring stick for KKK and TBH. unlike the singles where the ranking will depends solely on yourself and the tournaments you play at, the doubles will change ranking when they change partners and all. so really, KKK and TBH are up there with the big boys regardless of ranking. now speaking of game play and strategy, i do think the malaysian pair played better on that day, and TG/CW made more mistakes than usual. all in all the best team on that day won. i am so glad that malaysia finally have another doubles that have the potential to be great like razif-jailani and cheah soon kit-soo beng kiang. in fact i see a lot of resemblance in terms of team dynamics between KKK/TBH and CSK/SBK. the older one looks to be the leader and the motivator. the other seems the strong and silent type. TBH did not say anything during the after match interview by wong choon han (by the way, cool interviewer, ha ha ha), and KKK keeps talking about himself saying I did ok, and I made less mistakes, and really no WE comment at all. nonetheless, i see bright futures ahead. now if malaysia can just have another good singles player or another good doubles player, then maybe, just maybe, we can win the thomas cup again. :D

Lol... WCH should get a knock at the head for forgetting TBH.... :p

[abedeng]

I like to see a 3rd set wondering if the young MAL pair would crack under pressure from the veteran TG/CW during the match

You don't need third set to see that. I was actually expecting it to happen when they ran point-for-point up to 8-8, because this situation plays into the experienced pair's hands. Still remember how Razif-Jalani came back from 5-12 down to win 15-12 in one of their games against a younger hard attacking pair.

I can't say that Tony/Candra played badly at all, sure some of their shots hit the net, but that's more forced error than unforced ..... And their dominance at the net is negated by the Malaysians' speed.

Yet at this moment I still rate Tony/Candra as the most complete pair still in the circuit. Koo/Tan's time will come if they can maintain consistency an win a few more majors.

[bigmojo]

I say rematch in Korea Open :D the godlike dispute shall continue then.

There is no dispute. TG & CW are godlike. Unfortunately for them they came up against the real deal. KKK & TBH ARE the badminton GODS for the mens doubles in the badminton universe. Of course the godlike stands no chance whatsoever when they play against the GODS themselves.
Every once in a while legends stamp their mark forever in the badminton world. People like Rudy Hartono, Zhao JianHua, Yang Yang, Tan Yee Khan & Ng Boon Bee, Wong Peng Soon etc. We are now witnessing the birth of a new legend in the badminton world. TBH & KKK will absolutely dominate the mens doubles event in years to come. I predict they will confirm this for a fact at the coming Olympics.:D

[cooler]

There is no dispute. TG & CW are godlike. Unfortunately for them they came up against the real deal. KKK & TBH ARE the badminton GODS for the mens doubles in the badminton universe. Of course the godlike stands no chance whatsoever when they play against the GODS themselves.
Every once in a while legends stamp their mark forever in the badminton world. People like Rudy Hartono, Zhao JianHua, Yang Yang, Tan Yee Khan & Ng Boon Bee, Wong Peng Soon etc. We are now witnessing the birth of a new legend in the badminton world. TBH & KKK will absolutely dominate the mens doubles event in years to come. I predict they will confirm this for a fact at the coming Olympics.:D
beating the legends once doesn't make them god. Cai/Fu have beaten TG/CW once before, the china pair certainly is no legend or god.

[modious]

i just finish watching the MO MD final. Amazingly high caliber badminton. Overall, both MAL and TG/CW played really well, especially the 2nd set. The young MAL pair won it by their slight edge on speed and reflexes over TG/CW. Tony and candra got off a slow start in game 1, behind 4-10 before getting into their true form which is unfortunate because clawing back is tough under NSS. I like to see a 3rd set wondering if the young MAL pair would crack under pressure from the veteran TG/CW during the match

yes, the Malaysian pair is really good. They're amazingly fast and their defence was solid. The Malaysian pair dominated the net because they were just that much faster. It's rare to see Tony Gunawan getting beat at the net! :eek:

Let's see how they perform in the next few tourneys. S'pore Open is around the corner....

[GunBlade008]

People are making too big of a fuss over this, the Malaysian pair are Gods and TG/CW are merely godlikes with no chance to beat Gods? Please, badminton is a sport, you win some you lose some. TG/CW are legends because they have established themselves over many trimphs and success, not with a few. Let us compare the MANY Open wins by Tony/Candra + the Olympics Gold/WC (Seperate partners) to the Malaysian's Asian games gold and Malaysian open. No comparison...KKK and TBH are a great pairing, but they have a long way to go before being mentioned as a legend.

[kwun]

People are making too big of a fuss over this, the Malaysian pair are Gods and TG/CW are merely godlikes with no chance to beat Gods? Please, badminton is a sport, you win some you lose some. TG/CW are legends because they have established themselves over many trimphs and success, not with a few. Let us compare the MANY Open wins by Tony/Candra + the Olympics Gold/WC (Seperate partners) to the Malaysian's Asian games gold and Malaysian open. No comparison...KKK and TBH are a great pairing, but they have a long way to go before being mentioned as a legend.

thanks GunBlade for the cool headed and rational comment. surely KKK/TBH won a couple of tournaments in the past month, but let's not over-react and overly exaggerate their status. i hate to say this but Malaysian fans tends to overreact, and then pump too much expectation into their players and then when the players cannot stand the high expectation, they just crash and burn in criticism. let's not do that to KKK/TBH, they have a lot of potential and just let them play it out on their own pace.

[modious]

People are making too big of a fuss over this, the Malaysian pair are Gods and TG/CW are merely godlikes with no chance to beat Gods? Please, badminton is a sport, you win some you lose some. TG/CW are legends because they have established themselves over many trimphs and success, not with a few. Let us compare the MANY Open wins by Tony/Candra + the Olympics Gold/WC (Seperate partners) to the Malaysian's Asian games gold and Malaysian open. No comparison...KKK and TBH are a great pairing, but they have a long way to go before being mentioned as a legend.


yes I agree. To call KKK / TBH Gods and TG / CW merely godlikes clearly is insulting. You don't earn a Legendary Status by just winning a few tourneys, you have to prove it over a long period of time!

[abedeng]

Agree with Kwun and GunBlade, it's much too early to say anything. You just don't declare legends, legends declare themselves, and that too after a long period.

We Malaysians tend to get excitable too easily, then when players don't deliver, we tend to be too hypercritical .....

[X Ball]

thanks GunBlade for the cool headed and rational comment. surely KKK/TBH won a couple of tournaments in the past month, but let's not over-react and overly exaggerate their status. i hate to say this but Malaysian fans tends to overreact, and then pump too much expectation into their players and then when the players cannot stand the high expectation, they just crash and burn in criticism. let's not do that to KKK/TBH, they have a lot of potential and just let them play it out on their own pace.


Kwun, did you say over-reacting and overly exaggerating their status?

It has been a long time since Malaysians have seen such a revival of their doubles pair abilities. It has been such a long since they have so much to cheer on - once at the Asian Games in Dec. and now the Malaysian Open in January. It has been such a long time since they have seen so many good pairs gone down against their doubles pairs. And I can carry on.....

How much more does a pair like KKK/TBH have to show to earn such accolades (NOT EXAGGERATION please) ? Rexy, the master of doubles play, have turned this pair around (and hopefully other pairs too) and he sang their song too ---- highly !

I know it is hard for others to believe their ears but believe their eyes coz you all saw it with your eyes their big wins in the Asian Games and the MO.

The so-called invincible Tony Gunawan and Wijaya were made to look second rate in the 1st game and only because KKK/TBH were tired in the 2nd game (and visibly so because TBH's smashes were drained of the usual speed and power) that they let TG/W come back into the 2nd game.

And if they don't deserve to be praised for that, then what about the lesson they handed to the Indonesian pair of Hendra/Markis --- these two fellas were in awe of KKK/TBH and at the same glad to finish the game (don't forget it was their second defeat) without being mauled too badly.

KKK/TBH are the talk of the town -- maybe not yours but certainly in Malaysia. If they don't win the SPORTSMAN AWARD this year in Malaysia, I will be surprised.

[Kamen]

Not to take anything from the newly form pair of KKK/TBH but if they can win 2 All England's, 2 World Championships titles, and Olympics title with different partners (especially someone from a weak country such as Howard Bach) then yes they are legends just like Tony Gunawan.

Well said. Tony and Candra are legend. KKK and TBH are good but they have not acheived anyhting yet to be acclaimed as legend.

[bigmojo]

................ TG/CW are legends because they have established themselves over many trimphs and success, not with a few. Let us compare the MANY Open wins by Tony/Candra + the Olympics Gold/WC (Seperate partners) to the Malaysian's Asian games gold and Malaysian open. ........................

How long has TG/CW been playing? How long has TBH/KKK been playing? And you want to compare the no of titles they have won? Not very fair nor logical.

[Kamen]

i hate to say this but Malaysian fans tends to overreact, and then pump too much expectation into their players and then when the players cannot stand the high expectation, they just crash and burn in criticism. let's not do that to KKK/TBH, they have a lot of potential and just let them play it out on their own pace.


I agree.

I really do not want a repeat of our Hafiz Hashim!

KKK and TBH is a new pair. They still need to win a lot more major tournaments before we could say that they are as good as Tony and Candra.

[bigmojo]

I agree.

I really do not want a repeat of our Hafiz Hashim!

KKK and TBH is a new pair. They still need to win a lot more major tournaments before we could say that they are as good as Tony and Candra.

I dont get it, KKK/TBH beat TG/CW and they are not as good as Tony and Candra? What are you trying to say here?

[bigmojo]

.................... I like to see a 3rd set wondering if the young MAL pair would crack under pressure from the veteran TG/CW during the match

Dont know about the young MAL pair cracking under pressure but I think you are lucky to have been spared the sight of the aging veterans running out of gas and being thrashed if there had been a 3rd set. Sry to burst your bubble.

[Kamen]

I dont get it, KKK/TBH beat TG/CW and they are not as good as Tony and Candra? What are you trying to say here?

Let me give you an example, KKK and TBH was beaten in the team event in Asian Game. If i am not mistaken, they were beaten by LYD/JJS from Korea.

So,

Do you think LYD/JJS is better than KKK/TBH or vice versa?

[X Ball]

Dont know about the young MAL pair cracking under pressure but I think you are lucky to have been spared the sight of the aging veterans running out of gas and being thrashed if there had been a 3rd set. Sry to burst your bubble.


A big HIGH FIVE for BigMOJO.

:)

[bigmojo]

People are making too big of a fuss over this, the Malaysian pair are Gods and TG/CW are merely godlikes with no chance to beat Gods?

Someone started to use the term godlike in this thread and I took it as a figure of speech. I too used the word 'God' as a figure of speech. I could not foresee that ppl would take it literally nor could I have prevented it.

[X Ball]

Let me give you an example, KKK and TBH was beaten in the team event in Asian Game. If i am not mistaken, they were beaten by LYD/JJS from Korea.

So,

Do you think LYD/JJS is better than KKK/TBH or vice versa?

In this case, I think LYD/JJS would have to prove themselves like KKK/TBH, i.e. if they continue to beat the champs (KKK/TBH), then they would be considered in the eyes of all to be better.:p

[abedeng]

The pair which beat them was HJM/LJJ, and this lost Malaysia the tie and made Coach Rexy upset. Remember that in Malaysia and Indonesia's badminton culture, team competitions are always prized highly, much higher than individual events.

KKK/TBH returned the favour in the individual events on their way to gold. Great, yes, but it does not really make up for the team event loss.

Three final appearances and 2 wins do not make legends. There are more things to prove and titles to win before we can really call this partnership a complete success. Look at Coach Rexy himself, early in the game, he and Ricky Subagja always got beaten by Cheah Soon Kit/Soo Beng Kiang.

From end of 92 - 94, Rexy/Ricky had started beating Cheah/Soo consistently, the decision was made to split them up and replace Soo with Chief Coach Yap for more firepower. But even then, Rexy/Ricky still had the upper hand in major tournaments, AG and Olympics, in so doing, they became legends.

[bigmojo]

.................. i hate to say this but Malaysian fans tends to overreact, and then pump too much expectation into their players ...........

Yeah I have to agree on that point, kinda like Americans overreacting after Bach has won a couple of minor regional tournaments. :D


Let me give you an example, KKK and TBH was beaten in the team event in Asian Game. If i am not mistaken, they were beaten by LYD/JJS from Korea.

So,

Do you think LYD/JJS is better than KKK/TBH or vice versa?

I dont think you are asking a question here. I think you are trying to say LYD/JJS is better than KKK/TBH. Is that it?

[zqloy]

Guys there is no point arguing now. KKK/TBH is the best and the most consistent young pair period, but there r no legends yet, still hv much to learn from their sifu. But if they progress consistently, and yes they will become legend of their own.

[Baderz_Jas]

Wow, I thought Candra/Tony would lose :D :p ;) They are amazing :) but they were just not good enough yesterday :( Credits to KKK/TBH though :)

[vabeel]

I see no point in comparing both pair, as one had already collected numerous titles and played since more than 10 years (though sometimes with other partners) and the other pair is just starting their long journey. I think they all are good (well.....superb:cool:) players. I think it's the day-form which decides the outcome of the match. Well yesterday the MAS pair was slightly better, last JapO it was the INA pair.

I myself am a TG/CW fan and really amazed to see that they are still able to play in such high level in that age and condition (not training a lot). I think they really like each other, do you notice the affectionate tapping after almost every points made/not made................so touching.......:crying:
In other hand, I admire KKK/TBH for their ability to push aside all comments for their disadvantages and proved that they can be a "potential legend" also.
I just hope that they all can keep playing in high level so that we can see more exciting matches in the future.............................

[Kamen]

In this case, I think LYD/JJS would have to prove themselves like KKK/TBH, i.e. if they continue to beat the champs (KKK/TBH), then they would be considered in the eyes of all to be better.:p

That's what i am trying to tell bigmojo, if KKK/TBH continue to beat TG/CW, then they are better than TG/CW.

But yesterday's encounter was only their second and the stat now stands at 1:1 each.

So, i now defiinitely would not dare to say that KKK/TBH is better than TG/CW.

[Kamen]

I dont think you are asking a question here. I think you are trying to say LYD/JJS is better than KKK/TBH. Is that it?

Nope, i am asking you a question.

[Kamen]

The pair which beat them was HJM/LJJ, and this lost Malaysia the tie and made Coach Rexy upset.

Oic, so it's not even LYD/JJS but the second pair.

Thanks for your correction.

[cooler]

even if kkk/tbh can beat tg/cw many more times over, it still doesn't make them greatest or legendary. Today's fans are too short sighted, too short term thinking. So what they can beat tg/cw? tg/cw have passed their peak and they are still the finalist against young guns, I see tg/cw are still more impressive than kkk/tbh. It's like some 20's year olds enter the masters and beat some old 30's year old, whoppee.:rolleyes: If kkk/tbh can achieve track records like tg/cw, then i would believe it but i HIGHLY doubt it.

Also, beside speed, the young kkk/tbh have another edge over the veterans, that is knowing the NSS better than the old veterans who were raised, trained, competed, achieved about 98% of their career under the OSS. I wanna see how kkk/tbh do against tg/cw under the OSS.

Sung Hwan Park had beaten LD twice they have met, and LD had beaten TH 8 out of 12 times, does this make SHP the greatest and legendary?

[bigmojo]

That's what i am trying to tell bigmojo, if KKK/TBH continue to beat TG/CW, then they are better than TG/CW.

But yesterday's encounter was only their second and the stat now stands at 1:1 each.

So, i now defiinitely would not dare to say that KKK/TBH is better than TG/CW.

Yes the stat stands at 1:1. I wouldnt say that TG/CW are well past their prime but I would definitely say that TG/CW are past their prime.
They are at the tail end of their competitive badminton days whilst KKK/TBH are just starting out. I would say that future encounters between these 2 pairs are a foregone conclusion.
If you have been a little more observant you would have noticed that both TG & CW are now sporting 'love handles'! :D

[Kamen]

If you have been a little more observant you would have noticed that both TG & CW are now sporting 'love handles'! :D

Since joining the forum, i seldom like to engage in long counter-arguments about other's posts but i just like to say one last thing about your post;

"What has love handles got to do with badminton?" :confused:

Have you seen britta anderson and the retired mia? They are both great players though they are "relatively" bigger sized than average players.

[virusvoodoo]

even if kkk/tbh can beat tg/cw many more times over, it still doesn't make them greatest or legendary. Today's fans are too short sighted, too short term thinking. So what they can beat tg/cw? tg/cw have passed their peak and they are still the finalist against young guns, I see tg/cw are still more impressive than kkk/tbh. It's like some 20's year olds enter the masters and beat some old 30's year old, whoppee.:rolleyes: If kkk/tbh can achieve track records like tg/cw, then i would believe it but i HIGHLY doubt it.

Also, beside speed, the young kkk/tbh have another edge over the veterans, that is knowing the NSS better than the old veterans who were raised, trained, competed, achieved about 98% of their career under the OSS. I wanna see how kkk/tbh do against tg/cw under the OSS.

Sung Hwan Park had beaten LD twice they have met, and LD had beaten TH 8 out of 12 times, does this make SHP the greatest and legendary?


EXACTLY!

Malaysian fans sometimes over-react and criticize as it has shown not long ago during the Thomas Cup. Remember KKK/TBH had homeground advantage, just like LCW did when he beat LD last year and the year before. If they can continuously produce results (especially with major titles like All England, WC, & Olympics) and beat top pairs then we can start calling them legends. This is NOT to say that KKK/TBH aren't good but rather ask fans to be patience and give support and hopefully in the end they will accomplish their goals of winning all the major titles legends like Rexy/Ricky, TG/CW, Kim/Ha, & Park/Kim had achieved.

Don't rave too much about one or two titles because true winners go on winning titles after titles and yet still remain humble. Such great examples are TG/CW & Kim/Ha (I don't know that much about Ricky/Rexy & Park/Kim). This is why they are considered as legends.


By the way, whatever happen to LCW? No one has yet mention his name at all in many of these threads. It's like you guys pushed him aside like it's yesterday's news which is rather dissappointing just when he falters in a few tournaments. Sometimes it's the player who is not performing that needs the most support and encouragement!

[pjswift]

Oic, so it's not even LYD/JJS but the second pair.

Thanks for your correction.

Good one!
Actually MAS MD have to be wary of KOR MD and JPN MD because their ex-coaches are now coaching these two and so know their play and weaknesses. Same with INA MD now losing to MAS MD (used to be the other way round) cos Rexy knows the INA MD play.

[ye333]

After watching the video posted by Aerotus The Great //salute, I have to say all the credits to KKK/TBH (& Rexy)! Tony seems out of form in the 1st game, but in the 2nd he comes back. However with their almost normal performance, TG/CW still cannot break the dominance of KKK/TBH. Seems to me TG/CW are a bit disappointed and lose some confidence in the middle part of the 2nd game. This is the VERY FIRST time I have ever seen this formidable pair losing concentration.

KKK has matured a lot. He seldom tries any fancy shot in the whole match. I guess it's the responsibility he has now. When he is with CCM, he can do anything he likes, but now he has to take care of TBH. And man KKK is fast! Reminds me of young Sigit.

It's a great match. Especially the 2nd game, I think it's the best one game I have ever seen under 21 pts system.

[ye333]

That shouldn't be a problem... I think KKK/TBH is kind of playing a Indo style right now...

Good one!
Actually MAS MD have to be wary of KOR MD and JPN MD because their ex-coaches are now coaching these two and so know their play and weaknesses. Same with INA MD now losing to MAS MD (used to be the other way round) cos Rexy knows the INA MD play.

[wedgewenis]

isn't Candra retired?

[bigmojo]

Since joining the forum, i seldom like to engage in long counter-arguments about other's posts but i just like to say one last thing about your post;

"What has love handles got to do with badminton?" :confused:

Have you seen britta anderson and the retired mia? They are both great players though they are "relatively" bigger sized than average players.

"...are now sporting 'love handles'!" implies that previously they did not have these 'love handles', that they are aging, past their prime, no longer as physically well conditioned and getting fatter.

Why bring in the irrelevant argument of 'britta anderson and the retired mia'. You yourself said that they were '"relatively" bigger sized than average players'. This is their innate physical build and has no relevance whatsoever to 'aging, past their prime, no longer as physically well conditioned and getting fatter'.

Not only are you reading my posts with little comprehension, you seem to be interpreting it the way you want as well as bringing in irrelevant arguments.

[ctjcad]

isn't Candra retired?
...he has retired from PBSI/Pelatnas(as of end of Thomas Cup last yr)...But now he has un-retired and playing as a freelance partner with Tony(who is himself has retired from PBSI/Pelatnas):D;) ..However, there are words, circulating, that PBSI has apparently "re-signed" the 2 ex-Pelatnas veterans back to strengthen both their 2007 Sudirman Cup & Thomas Cup team for next yr- see this link: http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=33672..;)

[ctjcad]

I dont get it, KKK/TBH beat TG/CW and they are not as good as Tony and Candra? What are you trying to say here?

Dont know about the young MAL pair cracking under pressure but I think you are lucky to have been spared the sight of the aging veterans running out of gas and being thrashed if there had been a 3rd set. Sry to burst your bubble.
(hope you don't mind me jumping in, bigmojo)..;)
..yes, KKK & TBH were better than the vets TG & CW...Same story for TG & CW, for 1 game during the JO, last yr, they were better than the newly formed MAS tandem;) ...It's hard to say or foretell what would happen in the 3rd set, as it never materialized, so the best thing we can hope for is for them to have another rematch..:D ;)
If another rematch isn't possible, then another criteria we can apply for both pairs this yr is to see how far each pair progresses in this yr's SS tourneys..And if we go by that criteria, then *consistency* is our "best" standard to "compare" them both..;)

[GunBlade008]

How long has TG/CW been playing? How long has TBH/KKK been playing? And you want to compare the no of titles they have won? Not very fair nor logical.

Obviously CW/TG have been playing for much longer than KKK/TBH, which is part of the reason WHY they are legends. It's just plain idiotic to declare that KKK/TBH are the Gods of badminton or even "Legends" for that matter, after just 2 semi-big tournament wins. To take this point a little further, please keep in mind that TG/CW aren't even training on a regular basis, AND the fact that they are 30 (or somewhere around there), which is the age most players retire from badminton, yet they STILL manage to win titles and STILL manage to compete with the top pairs of the world. THAT is why they are legendary, because they have proven themselves in the past and they continue to do so in the present.

I am not bashing KKK/TBH, I think they played extraordinary in that final, namely KKK with his interceptions at the net. They absolutely deserved to win this title. The problem is, when they did win, some fans get overly excited and proclaim something as stupid as "TG/CW stand no chance against the true Gods of badminton!!!" That was an insulting and, if I may say so, idiotic statement to make, especially to a pair as humble and great as TG/CW. Not fair nor logical? None of your posts seem logical to me, and I didn't see anyone else proclaiming that KKK/TBH was a bad pair when they lost the Japan Open finals to, what's this? Tony Gunawan and Candra Wijaya?? Again I will say it. Tony Gunawan and Candra Wijaya are great and established LEGENDS, KKK/TBH is a great pair and have the POTENTIAL to become legends, which must be proven over the course of many years and tournaments, NOT measured by how many times they beat a semi-retired pairing. Thank you and good night.

[tjl_vanguard]

...he has retired from PBSI/Pelatnas(as of end of Thomas Cup last yr)...But now he has un-retired and playing as a freelance partner with Tony(who is himself has retired from PBSI/Pelatnas):D;) ..However, there are words, circulating, that PBSI has apparently "re-signed" the 2 ex-Pelatnas veterans back to strengthen both their 2007 Sudirman Cup & Thomas Cup team for next yr- see this link: http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=33672..;)
apparently i dun think so....
LYB did said that a player cannot play a another country within 2 years after representing the former country... thats why he didn't worry so much bout zhou mi going mas, hk or taiwan

[bigmojo]

(hope you don't mind me jumping in, bigmojo)..;)
..yes, KKK & TBH were better than the vets TG & CW...Same story for TG & CW, for 1 game during the JO, last yr, they were better than the newly formed MAS tandem;) ...It's hard to say or foretell what would happen in the 3rd set, as it never materialized, so the best thing we can hope for is for them to have another rematch..:D ;)
If another rematch isn't possible, then another criteria we can apply for both pairs this yr is to see how far each pair progresses in this yr's SS tourneys..And if we go by that criteria, then *consistency* is our "best" standard to "compare" them both..;)
I am not questioning the 'greatness' of TG/CW. Without a doubt they are already legends in the badminton world. All I am saying is that age has caught up with them and like it or not they must give way to the young & rising stars like KKK/TBH. Do you really think TG/CW would have won the 3rd set if there had been one? Of course this is pure conjecture but given the age difference and physical condition of the two pairs I have to say that TG/CW would have lost. Dont set your sights too high on a rematch between TG/CW and KKK/TBH at the upcoming Korean Open. Unless the draw is such that they meet in the early rounds as I dont think TG/CW will make it to the finals.

The recent Malaysian Open may have witnessed the tail end of the playing carreers not just of legends like TG/CW but also the likes of PGC, KJ, TH, WCH etc. I daresay that the upcoming Olympics may just be the last hurrah for some of the names I just mentioned. I think Zhang Ning is also in the same boat. Genius is one thing but father time cannot be denied.

[tjl_vanguard]

Obviously CW/TG have been playing for much longer than KKK/TBH, which is part of the reason WHY they are legends. It's just plain idiotic to declare that KKK/TBH are the Gods of badminton or even "Legends" for that matter, after just 2 semi-big tournament wins. To take this point a little further, please keep in mind that TG/CW aren't even training on a regular basis, AND the fact that they are 30 (or somewhere around there), which is the age most players retire from badminton, yet they STILL manage to win titles and STILL manage to compete with the top pairs of the world. THAT is why they are legendary, because they have proven themselves in the past and they continue to do so in the present.

I am not bashing KKK/TBH, I think they played extraordinary in that final, namely KKK with his interceptions at the net. They absolutely deserved to win this title. The problem is, when they did win, some fans get overly excited and proclaim something as stupid as "TG/CW stand no chance against the true Gods of badminton!!!" That was an insulting and, if I may say so, idiotic statement to make, especially to a pair as humble and great as TG/CW. Not fair nor logical? None of your posts seem logical to me, and I didn't see anyone else proclaiming that KKK/TBH was a bad pair when they lost the Japan Open finals to, what's this? Tony Gunawan and Candra Wijaya?? Again I will say it. Tony Gunawan and Candra Wijaya are great and established LEGENDS, KKK/TBH is a great pair and have the POTENTIAL to become legends, which must be proven over the course of many years and tournaments, NOT measured by how many times they beat a semi-retired pairing. Thank you and good night.
hahaha come on.. you said it yourself as well... "FANS"... thats what fans do..but what really important is the players themselves... KKK said that that match was incredible and they really enjoyed it.. it was a sweet memory for them.. but that's on court...off court, they still respect TG/CW a lot... he said that in an interview after the finals....

http://www.internationalbadminton.org/newscontent.asp?pageid={AB60110F-3406-4039-8BDE-03EEFAA87C39}

[tjl_vanguard]

Obviously CW/TG have been playing for much longer than KKK/TBH, which is part of the reason WHY they are legends. It's just plain idiotic to declare that KKK/TBH are the Gods of badminton or even "Legends" for that matter, after just 2 semi-big tournament wins. To take this point a little further, please keep in mind that TG/CW aren't even training on a regular basis, AND the fact that they are 30 (or somewhere around there), which is the age most players retire from badminton, yet they STILL manage to win titles and STILL manage to compete with the top pairs of the world. THAT is why they are legendary, because they have proven themselves in the past and they continue to do so in the present.

I am not bashing KKK/TBH, I think they played extraordinary in that final, namely KKK with his interceptions at the net. They absolutely deserved to win this title. The problem is, when they did win, some fans get overly excited and proclaim something as stupid as "TG/CW stand no chance against the true Gods of badminton!!!" That was an insulting and, if I may say so, idiotic statement to make, especially to a pair as humble and great as TG/CW. Not fair nor logical? None of your posts seem logical to me, and I didn't see anyone else proclaiming that KKK/TBH was a bad pair when they lost the Japan Open finals to, what's this? Tony Gunawan and Candra Wijaya?? Again I will say it. Tony Gunawan and Candra Wijaya are great and established LEGENDS, KKK/TBH is a great pair and have the POTENTIAL to become legends, which must be proven over the course of many years and tournaments, NOT measured by how many times they beat a semi-retired pairing. Thank you and good night.
hahaha come on.. you said it yourself as well... "FANS"... thats what fans do..but what really important is the players themselves... KKK said that that match was incredible and they really enjoyed it.. it was a great memory for them.. but that's on court...off court, they still respect TG/CW a lot... he said that in an interview after the finals....

http://www.internationalbadminton.org/newscontent.asp?pageid={AB60110F-3406-4039-8BDE-03EEFAA87C39}

[bigmojo]

Obviously CW/TG have been playing for much longer than KKK/TBH, which is part of the reason WHY they are legends. It's just plain idiotic to declare that KKK/TBH are the Gods of badminton or even "Legends" for that matter, ...............................
I used the term 'Gods' as a figure of speech because the thread starter had referred to TG/CW as godlike and the fact that they were beaten by KKK/TBH. I never referred to KKK/TBH as legends.

This was what I posted, "We are now witnessing the birth of a new legend in the badminton world."

[tjl_vanguard]

I used the term 'Gods' as a figure of speech because the thread starter had referred to TG/CW as godlike and the fact that they were beaten by KKK/TBH. I never referred to KKK/TBH as legends.

This was what I posted, "We are now witnessing the birth of a new legend in the badminton world."
yes i agree.... its only the beginning... they have yet to establish themselves to be referred as "LEGENDS" but if they continue to play in this way n get better and better.. i have no doubt but they are going to surpass what TG/CW have achieved...
ppl are arguing about this is just because they are still fans of TG/CW... they've seen them play for such a long time and fans thought that newbies such as kkk/tbh just lucked out in the finals....

[bigmojo]

......... It's just plain idiotic to declare that KKK/TBH are the Gods of badminton or even "Legends" for that matter, ...........
If you cant engage in a discussion or stand for a difference in opinion without resorting to use of derogatory terms, what are you doing in a public forum?

Is it the norm in your country to call people who doesnt agree with your point of view, idiots or morons or retards or what have you?

[kwun]

ok. this thread has degraded to personal attacks instead of discussing the subject matter.

closed.