Do anyone know if Chen Hong has withdrawn from Korea Open??

I noted he was still on the draw against Hafiz...

But maybe his serious back injury was only very serious against Bao ?!?!?

Will LYB risk CHs back by letting him play Hafiz???

/Twobeer

Do anyone know if Chen Hong has withdrawn from Korea Open??

I noted he was still on the draw against Hafiz...

But maybe his serious back injury was only very serious against Bao ?!?!?

Will LYB risk CHs back by letting him play Hafiz???

/Twobeer


LOL...Good one twobeer

If CH plays and end up doing well then we all know what really happened at 2007 Malaysian Open with him and LYB.

But then again, it may be that CHEN Hong is like Wolverine and has made 100% recovering...:rolleyes:

Yeah, right...

i don't think he is really hurt。。。

i don't think he is really hurt。。。

I think he was infected with a LYB-rithis. LOL

I think he was infected with a LYB-rithis. LOL
Don't laugh; LYB-rithis REALLY hurts... :p

This really says a lot about sports professionalism. LYB might have "groomed" a very good Chinese badminton team but this team definitely do not evoke much respect from fellow players and fans (exceot China fans) alike.

Do anyone know if Chen Hong has withdrawn from Korea Open??

I noted he was still on the draw against Hafiz...

But maybe his serious back injury was only very serious against Bao ?!?!?

Will LYB risk CHs back by letting him play Hafiz???

/Twobeer

It's what we would call a 'conditioned reflex'. Every time CH has to play a CHN MS in the QF or SF, some injury would flare up, triggering a walkover impulse.Except that CH is the generous one; no CHN MS has ever given him a walkover in return.

I think he was infected with a LYB-rithis. LOL

Of course, LYB-rithis is malignant. :p

It's what we would call a 'conditioned reflex'. Every time CH has to play a CHN MS in the QF or SF, some injury would flare up, triggering a walkover impulse.Except that CH is the generous one; no CHN MS has ever given him a walkover in return.

It's so sad, because I feel Chen Hong has to be one of the most entertaining players to watch play :crying: :crying: I just love his netkills...

/T

It's so sad, because I feel Chen Hong has to be one of the most entertaining players to watch play :crying: :crying: I just love his netkills...

/T


I love how he sets up for his smashes. And of course the actual smashes. :D

If this stupid "LYB-rithis" is true :mad: , I wish CH will start playing for Taiwan instead. At his current level of play, he can easily crush any other players including LD, PG and BCL. I was so looking forward to watching him win the MAS Open for the second time. :(

If his injury is true, I hope he can recover soon and keep on playing. Love CH style of play. :)

If this stupid "LYB-rithis" is true :mad: , I wish CH will start playing for Taiwan instead. At his current level of play, he can easily crush any other players including LD, PG and BCL. I was so looking forward to watching him win the MAS Open for the second time. :(

No, USA! USA! :p

CH can "easily crush" me :p; but not LD, PG and BCL. :eek:

No, USA! USA! :p


Dont be too greedy, DinkALot. You guys already have enough ex-Pro players.

Time for some to come Downunder. :rolleyes:

Without LYB factor, I will always put my bet on CH to beat any of the China players anytime. :D

If this stupid "LYB-rithis" is true :mad: , I wish CH will start playing for Taiwan instead. At his current level of play, he can easily crush any other players including LD, PG and BCL. I was so looking forward to watching him win the MAS Open for the second time. :(

If his injury is true, I hope he can recover soon and keep on playing. Love CH style of play. :)

its not easy playing for tw,
his wife retired and came to mainland
he said he would go back to his hometown first..

its not easy playing for tw,
his wife retired and came to mainland
he said he would go back to his hometown first..

its not only hard, its IMPOSSIBLE...


heh, if CH does play and win, people won't say good thing like PG's performance from headache, but as a prove of LYB's team order's existence...

just for the kick :rolleyes:

Do anyone know if Chen Hong has withdrawn from Korea Open??

I noted he was still on the draw against Hafiz...

But maybe his serious back injury was only very serious against Bao ?!?!?

Will LYB risk CHs back by letting him play Hafiz???

/Twobeer


I dont hear anyone complaining about PG's withdrawl against CY. Oh sorry i forgot, its only counted as a fake injury if it's against your own team. Dear dear what has the world come to.

I dont hear anyone complaining about PG's withdrawl against CY. Oh sorry i forgot, its only counted as a fake injury if it's against your own team. Dear dear what has the world come to.

Of course not! Why would we complain when he came to Malaysia with a migraine attack but he put himself out there to play his best even through 3 hard-fought sets against his compatriot and beating BAO in 3 sets to grab the title? The guy deserve a break and rest up for the next tournament.

What you don't understand is walkovers with Chinese men's singles is common, almost too common. Granted that they do have quite a few extraordinary players but it seems that they don't put in the effort to fight against one another knowing in the next round they are faced with a player from different country. And it does make one wonder when a player claims that he is injured to let his younger compatriot walkover and then participate in another tournaments two days later, doesn't it?

I dont hear anyone complaining about PG's withdrawl against CY. Oh sorry i forgot, its only counted as a fake injury if it's against your own team. Dear dear what has the world come to.

Can't you see the difference in a WO in the Semis in a match against a younger "team"-mate, to a WO in the first round against a strong oppontent?
:confused: :confused:

I can't see how any of the Danes would benefit form Peter Giving WO to Chen Yu in the first round..

/T

P.S. Its rather the opposite actually.. PG could maybe play one game and win against Chen Yu, then if Kasper Oedum would beat Kay Bin YEOH, he could have left WO to get rest and let Kasper trough to the next round... But this is not the way of a team with sportsmanship and personal pride :) D.S.

Actually Peter tried to recover and had an overworked muscle. Normally a body would recover better but if having a disease and still pushing your body to the limit everyday it will hurt afterwhile :p . tried it myself and got a serious injury out of it since i didnt allow myself any breaks in my training/competitions

The "WO" is not shameful, is the intention that generate controversy!

Actually Peter tried to recover and had an overworked muscle. Normally a body would recover better but if having a disease and still pushing your body to the limit everyday it will hurt afterwhile :p . tried it myself and got a serious injury out of it since i didnt allow myself any breaks in my training/competitions

Of course not! Why would we complain when he came to Malaysia with a migraine attack but he put himself out there to play his best even through 3 hard-fought sets against his compatriot and beating BAO in 3 sets to grab the title? The guy deserve a break and rest up for the next tournament.

What you don't understand is walkovers with Chinese men's singles is common, almost too common. Granted that they do have quite a few extraordinary players but it seems that they don't put in the effort to fight against one another knowing in the next round they are faced with a player from different country. And it does make one wonder when a player claims that he is injured to let his younger compatriot walkover and then participate in another tournaments two days later, doesn't it?

Funny, please explain why it takes 3 hard sets to settle the game between CJ and CH? (19-21 22-20 21-16 ) So you say CJ or CH didn't put effort into fighting?? And Given this match is played before BCL and LCW, why wouldn't them preserve some energy just in case if the home favor LCW win over Bao???

And PG get tired after fighting 3 sets agaist Bao while CH has ONLY played 3 sets agaist Hafiz on first round then ONLY played another 3 sets agaist Sony and finally ONLY 3 sets agaist CJ??????

Oh well, if only Hafiz, Sony or CJ would have played like me then I am sure CH would be in a very good shape.:o

So confusing.......lost in translation.

Funny, please explain why it takes 3 hard sets to settle the game between CJ and CH? (19-21 22-20 21-16 ) So you say CJ or CH didn't put effort into fighting?? And Given this match is played before BCL and LCW, why wouldn't them preserve some energy just in case if the home favor LCW win over Bao???

And PG get tired after fighting 3 sets agaist Bao while CH has ONLY played 3 sets agaist Hafiz on first round then ONLY played another 3 sets agaist Sony and finally ONLY 3 sets agaist CJ??????

Oh well, if only Hafiz, Sony or CJ would have played like me then I am sure CH would be in a very good shape.:o

Can't you see the difference in a WO in the Semis in a match against a younger "team"-mate, to a WO in the first round against a strong oppontent?
:confused: :confused:

I can't see how any of the Danes would benefit form Peter Giving WO to Chen Yu in the first round..

/T

P.S. Its rather the opposite actually.. PG could maybe play one game and win against Chen Yu, then if Kasper Oedum would beat Kay Bin YEOH, he could have left WO to get rest and let Kasper trough to the next round... But this is not the way of a team with sportsmanship and personal pride :) D.S.

lmao sportsmanship and personal pride. LIke i said Record a convo between LYB and CH when he tells him to WO and then come back with some real evidence.

And i do sincerely apologise if CH doesnt report his injuries to the world through the press. Somehow i think that choice resides with the player. Common sense and respect for privacy huh.

So confusing.......lost in translation.

I think the point is very clear. CH played more sets up to the Semis than anyone so every chance of injury. No evidence of WO between CH and CJ to conserve energy when Bao may not have even won against LCW.

I think eveyone should just accept that CH was probably injured and resides the right to withdraw in such circumstances. What are you advocating? that we force players to report their injuries to the media so everyone believes them like PG or that we force them to play even if they are ill?

CH lost to Hafiz today anyway

More evidence of Injury or do you think LYB told him to lose this one as well?

Ok, now we know CH lost to Hafiz. Can we give CH and LYB a break now? God, I just don't get the double standard issue. The injuries (even if minor) can bug anyone. I know a WO might disappoint the fans, but it's not like if we pay, the player/coach has to do whatever (even if means someone might be in the hospital).

Ok, PG gives a WO, he's still the god. CH gives a WO, he and LYB immediately become the target. Now, CH can't perform to his standard now, are we happy now? :mad:

Can't you see the difference in a WO in the Semis in a match against a younger "team"-mate, to a WO in the first round against a strong oppontent?
:confused: :confused:

I can't see how any of the Danes would benefit form Peter Giving WO to Chen Yu in the first round..



A younger "team mate" means BCL. Please, he's in a sense not anywhere worse than Chen Yu. :cool:

From our logic, we can't see how Danes get benefit from PG's WO. From our logic, we smell that there's a fix. However, do we have any solid proof??? Please don't give me all the bs "record", "feeling" etc. You can't put someone in jail, because he has a "record" or not, or just because you don't like him/her.

The solid fact I can see through all these (and almost every single tourny), is ppl can't take the fact that CHN team doing fairly well, and can't swallow the fact that their own players are losing. Let's put this way, it's because they are good, that they have mult. entries in the final 4 (even with limited entries), then, they can even qualified to be "questioned". I don't think any other team even have the chance to do so (not many, at least). :cool:

Many years back while in IBF Forum I have criticise agaisnt LYB dirty strategy. But those guys just ask me to accept it. Feels good to know that there is ppl think like me.

Many years back while in IBF Forum I have criticise agaisnt LYB dirty strategy. But those guys just ask me to accept it. Feels good to know that there is ppl think like me.


Because ppl like you can't take the fact that LYB's team is better, you get many supporters. :cool:

Ppl, CHN get the most GOLD, not because they won the national debating champion using their mouth. If other nations don't train their athlete, but just complain, no wonder they can't catch up. :eek:

CH lost to Hafiz today anyway

More evidence of Injury or do you think LYB told him to lose this one as well?

IF He was injured why did he play at all???? (lost 18-21 in the decider).. Why Didnt LYB tell him to WO..

/T

IF He was injured why did he play at all???? (lost 18-21 in the decider).. Why Didnt LYB tell him to WO..

/T

I don't know what to say to you. He gives a WO, he's a cheater. He fights hard, you ask "why he even bother to play at all". "Rest and feel better on the 2nd day" is very "logical" to anyone, right?

Sometimes, we are very sick, we stay at home, or got sent to hospital. Sometimes, we just need to take a bit medicine, hang on, still go to work. If I have to be in "perfect" shape in order to move my butt, I might filed my early retirement like when I was 6 years old. :o

LOL...Good one twobeer

If CH plays and end up doing well then we all know what really happened at 2007 Malaysian Open with him and LYB.

But then again, it may be that CHEN Hong is like Wolverine and has made 100% recovering...:rolleyes:

Yeah, right...

Are you talking about PG? He was hospitalized before the game. And yet he not only recovered pretty well but managed to win the title. Are you suggesting either PG's illness is a well-plotted drama or he is like Wolverine? If these are the only choices, I will go with Wolverine.

Oh, btw, now Chen Hong lost to Hafiz in KO. What's your take now? Like Stephen Colbert said, "Facts can change all the time, but my opinion will never change".

The "WO" is not shameful, is the intention that generate controversy!

That's true. But in this case, it is the speculated intention (actually the speculation itself) that generates controversy.

I don't know what to say to you. He gives a WO, he's a cheater. He fights hard, you ask "why he even bother to play at all". "Rest and feel better on the 2nd day" is very "logical" to anyone, right?

Sometimes, we are very sick, we stay at home, or got sent to hospital. Sometimes, we just need to take a bit medicine, hang on, still go to work. If I have to be in "perfect" shape in order to move my butt, I might filed my early retirement like when I was 6 years old. :o

You are putting words in my mouth that I didn't say.. Never called CH a cheater (I have only positive things to say about CH actually)..

If you get offended by the "suspisicon" that mgmt team tactics could be behind the WO.. then there is nothing I can do about that..

The point you are making is that you think CH was injured.. But then you also put forward argument that team-orders are common in Nascar, Tour the france etc, implying that it therefor should only be expected, and maybe even okay..

I simply ask 2 questions...

a) Do you think CH had such a major waist injury that he would have not been able to put up a good fight against Bao in the semis.

b) Do you think team-tacticts (like Tour De france, Nascar) and WOs, lay-matches are okay in a badminton-tournament in general.

I am certainly not judge and jury.. Everybody has the right to their own "beleifs" as long as there are no solid proofs... But I can ask the questions.. right?

/T

Ok, now we know CH lost to Hafiz. Can we give CH and LYB a break now? God, I just don't get the double standard issue. The injuries (even if minor) can bug anyone. I know a WO might disappoint the fans, but it's not like if we pay, the player/coach has to do whatever (even if means someone might be in the hospital).

Ok, PG gives a WO, he's still the god. CH gives a WO, he and LYB immediately become the target. Now, CH can't perform to his standard now, are we happy now? :mad:

I think ure a bit unbalanced i was actually making the point that it was Ch's right to withdraw against Bao and i believe his injury so i was pointing out to others that his loss to hafiz is evidence of his injury and he did not fake a wo.

No need to bite everyone's head off. Seriously unbalanced.:mad:

You are putting words in my mouth that I didn't say.. Never called CH a cheater (I have only positive things to say about CH actually)..

If you get offended by the "suspisicon" that mgmt team tactics could be behind the WO.. then there is nothing I can do about that..

The point you are making is that you think CH was injured.. But then you also put forward argument that team-orders are common in Nascar, Tour the france etc, implying that it therefor should only be expected, and maybe even okay..

I simply ask 2 questions...

a) Do you think CH had such a major waist injury that he would have not been able to put up a good fight against Bao in the semis.

b) Do you think team-tacticts (like Tour De france, Nascar) and WOs, lay-matches are okay in a badminton-tournament in general.

I am certainly not judge and jury.. Everybody has the right to their own "beleifs" as long as there are no solid proofs... But I can ask the questions.. right?

/T

Hows this for a plan?

Everyone just shut up and leave it cause we are all going around in circles and some people are down right stubborn. Not meantioning any names but "COUGH ...Twobber... Cough"

CH lost to Hafiz today anyway

More evidence of Injury or do you think LYB told him to lose this one as well?
Hafiz is no pushover. He is actually capable of beating Chen Hong.

I think ure a bit unbalanced i was actually making the point that it was Ch's right to withdraw against Bao and i believe his injury so i was pointing out to others that his loss to hafiz is evidence of his injury and he did not fake a wo.

No need to bite everyone's head off. Seriously unbalanced.:mad:

Where this coming from? I thought I was also using the case that CH lost to Hafiz to prove that CH's injury might be very legit? :eek:

You are putting words in my mouth that I didn't say.. Never called CH a cheater (I have only positive things to say about CH actually)..

If you get offended by the "suspisicon" that mgmt team tactics could be behind the WO.. then there is nothing I can do about that..

The point you are making is that you think CH was injured.. But then you also put forward argument that team-orders are common in Nascar, Tour the france etc, implying that it therefor should only be expected, and maybe even okay..

I simply ask 2 questions...

a) Do you think CH had such a major waist injury that he would have not been able to put up a good fight against Bao in the semis.

b) Do you think team-tacticts (like Tour De france, Nascar) and WOs, lay-matches are okay in a badminton-tournament in general.

I am certainly not judge and jury.. Everybody has the right to their own "beleifs" as long as there are no solid proofs... But I can ask the questions.. right?

/T

The injury does not have to be as serious as an operation. However, if the player has the worry, and don't see the point to take a risk, I think s/he have every right to say "WO".

In another thread, I just listed that CHN players' decision might be influence by the coaching staff (not necessary an order, but could be an suggestion). It's like, you are sick, but not likely as seriously as going to hospital. You are debating with yourself, whether to go to work today. Then, mom comes in, and say, better take the rest. Most likely, you will be convienced to stay at home. :rolleyes:

As a fan myself, I want to see every single match going to 3 sets, deuce, every rally featuring 200 shots, and every game going to last 5 hours. However, I know that's not happening, and that's not fair to force the players to do that every single time. All the "team strategy" (whatever we call it), is more like the "grey area" in any sport. As long as they are not obviously again the written rule, we have to accept it.

Put this way, there are fighting in hockey, there are intentional fouling in basketball. Do you think those actually are good example for kids to learn, to play tough? There are "benching your all stars" once the game result is clearly determine. Do you think fans like to see whole bunch of "no names" running around, as they are pay $$$ to come to watch?

All i am saying is, we should not always use of own point of view (fans) to judge the player/coach. There are natually some "conflict of interest" involved, and can't be resolved to begin with.

The injury does not have to be as serious as an operation. However, if the player has the worry, and don't see the point to take a risk, I think s/he have every right to say "WO".

In another thread, I just listed that CHN players' decision might be influence by the coaching staff (not necessary an order, but could be an suggestion). It's like, you are sick, but not likely as seriously as going to hospital. You are debating with yourself, whether to go to work today. Then, mom comes in, and say, better take the rest. Most likely, you will be convienced to stay at home. :rolleyes:


could not agee more :)


As a fan myself, I want to see every single match going to 3 sets, deuce, every rally featuring 200 shots, and every game going to last 5 hours.

hmmm.. Don't think so.. Then Women Doubles would be the most fun to watch :D :D
My 1st prio is game quality not numer of rallies played :p


However, I know that's not happening, and that's not fair to force the players to do that every single time. All the "team strategy" (whatever we call it), is more like the "grey area" in any sport. As long as they are not obviously again the written rule, we have to accept it.

Maybe we have to accept it.. But do we have to LIKE it??

Maybe if enough number of voices are rasied against using "grey areas" in the rules etc. It could make some difference??


Put this way, there are fighting in hockey, there are intentional fouling in basketball. Do you think those actually are good example for kids to learn, to play tough? There are "benching your all stars" once the game result is clearly determine. Do you think fans like to see whole bunch of "no names" running around, as they are pay $$$ to come to watch?

Exactly!! If these things could be changed it would be so much better for kids to learn and take to all the good and positive things about sport, not the "win at any cost" mentality, that goes from grey-area to match-fixing to steroids and so on so forth...


All i am saying is, we should not always use of own point of view (fans) to judge the player/coach. There are natually some "conflict of interest" involved, and can't be resolved to begin with.

So true, so true, but I think it is really nice if the best players and coaches of the world try to be good role models for the kids, because they have a lot of power to influence fans and kids on how to behave on court and show goos sportsmanship to promote the good aspects of a game.. The "gray-areas" are seldom things anyone really wants to promote, right??

/T

P.S. I loved Lee Jae Boks video for beginners to learn badminton and start with the foundation "the roots".. Attitude is a must.. Respect for the opponent is a foundation.. These are foundations for sportmaships that every player really should try his best to always think about D.S.

A little bit off topic.

I think my frustration from the work really got me the past 2 days. If any of my replies seemed to be very offensive or harsh, please accept my apology. :o

Let's focus on the game itself. :p

Where this coming from? I thought I was also using the case that CH lost to Hafiz to prove that CH's injury might be very legit? :eek:

Sorry Lazybud misread ure post. Not quite so unbalanced. :D

I dont care about this thread anymore people can say whatever they want

There's really not any prove to say CH's WO was fake... even thought it may be but I don't think it is...

cos I don't see the logic.. CH definetely has a better chance in beating PG then BCL.. sad truth, even as I support BCL.. but still thats the truth.