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qwertyu 01-26-2007, 06:10 PM LCW is like antibiotic, if you use it too often, bacteria (The Chinese players) will develop resistance against him. :)
The Star 27/1/06
Badminton: Kien Keat-Boon Heong and Hafiz keep Malaysian flag flying
By RAJES PAUL
PETALING JAYA: Malaysia’s best bet Lee Chong Wei was bundled out of the Korean Open yesterday but compatriots Mohd Hafiz Hashim and Koo Kien Keat-Tan Boon Heong reached the Korean Open semi-finals in contrasting fashions at the Olympic Gymnasium in Seoul.
National number one Chong Wei failed to keep his proud record against China’s Chen Jin intact when he went down fighting 21-14, 15-21, 16-21 in a 55-minute battle.
It was Chong Wei’s first defeat to the Chinese in their three meetings and a sign that his “invincibility” against some of the top Chinese players is wearing off.
His winning streak against another Chinese player Bao Chunlai also ended at last year’s world meet. Since then, the Malaysian has not beaten Chunlai.
Qidong 01-26-2007, 06:22 PM Could it be the Chinese coaches are so good that they finally find LCW's weakness?
ye333 01-26-2007, 06:35 PM Seems something's wrong with LCW recently. Li Mao should re-examine the tactics LCW uses when playing BCL and CJ. He should be able to beat them. Anyway, maybe it's just his feet(?) injury which makes him slower than before.
Could it be the Chinese coaches are so good that they finally find LCW's weakness?
CLELY 01-26-2007, 09:48 PM Since he defeated by TH at SF Japan Open last October/06, seems LCW's self confidence decreased continuously.After that,we can look he lost to LHI (at Men's Team) and TH (Individual) in Doha AG. Next, he gave up to BCL and yesterday after leading on 1st set, finally must lost from the rising star CJ.
We will wait his performance in upcoming All England, what happen then to him?!
soleha 01-26-2007, 09:58 PM i'm so sad his rank now is numb. 5.....:crying: :crying: I can't believe it...:crying: :crying: what happen LCW!!you make me so sad..:crying: :crying:
X Ball 01-26-2007, 10:08 PM LCW --- if you read this, you might get to win again. I am pretty sure this is what makes you lose of late.
You are not moving the shuttle fast enough around the court. Occasionally, you start of like a rocket, e.g. the first game against
Chen Yu when you raced to a commanding lead. He does not get enough time to think to counter you. Think about it. Then you slow down in the 2nd game (probably tired) and he comes back at you --- you start to play rallies, and he had time to think and counter you.
If you go back to the wins against LD, you played fast, cheered on by your avid supporters. He could not get his thoughts together to counter you, even though he is a fast thinker.
This is the thing you need to do (forget about Li Mao, if he has not told you so). You need to speed your play, move the opponents around FAST (I mean real fast as if you are coming back from the 3rd set against LD in the MO in which you won). DON't LET them think....that is the strategy. If you do not win with this I will be surprised.
The Chinese players are very sharp and you cannot let think and control. This is the secret of winning that everybody should know.
This is FREE AND VERY GOOD ADVICE FOR THE ALL-ENGLAND.
I agree with you. But LCW is not a rocket. Even rocket has fuel. I'm sure Li Mao have mentioned it a dozen times to him. The Chinese just are able to read his game. Just that LCW speed came off at the wrong time.
Cheung 01-26-2007, 10:17 PM LCW is like antibiotic, if you use it too often, bacteria (The Chinese players) will develop resistance against him. :)
.What a quote! - that's really funny:)
Just to add to Ants comments, LCW may be just experiencing a natural dip in form.
On any given day, any loss to a chinese player has to be considered in its context - it may not be the SAME chinese player he loses to...:)
X Ball 01-26-2007, 10:29 PM What a quote! - that's really funny:)
Just to add to Ants comments, LCW may be just experiencing a natural dip in form.
On any given day, any loss to a chinese player has to be considered in its context - it may not be the SAME chinese player he loses to...:)
A natural dip in form?:confused: It is unnatural, if anything. I am trying to point out why this unnatural dip comes about. And the context for his loss to any player (particularly the sharp ones like the Chinese) is that he slowed his games too much to allow them to counter him.
One simply cannot play rallies with LD, BAO, PG, or the Chens. They would be too fast. My point is he needs to be faster or at least equally fast to have a chance.
A natural dip in form?:confused: It is unnatural, if anything. I am trying to point out why this unnatural dip comes about. And the context for his loss to any player (particularly the sharp ones like the Chinese) is that he slowed his games too much to allow them to counter him.
One simply cannot play rallies with LD, BAO, PG, or the Chens. They would be too fast. My point is he needs to be faster or at least equally fast to have a chance.
humans are not machines, the form or fitness of a badminton player goes up and down like waves. this is common among all sports, you hear about cyclists try to manage their fitness to coincide with big races like the Tour de France. badminton players too manage their fitness and form to coincide with big tournaments like the WC, Olympics.
so it is reasonable to talk about dipping in form.
however, it is also important to understand that form can be managed, and the proper management is also crucial to winning tournaments.
X Ball 01-26-2007, 10:52 PM humans are not machines, the form or fitness of a badminton player goes up and down like waves. this is common among all sports, you hear about cyclists try to manage their fitness to coincide with big races like the Tour de France. badminton players too manage their fitness and form to coincide with big tournaments like the WC, Olympics.
so it is reasonable to talk about dipping in form.
however, it is also important to understand that form can be managed, and the proper management is also crucial to winning tournaments.
I don't think I am arguing about fitness. If he is not fit, there is no way he will speed up his game. But all I am saying he needs to speed up his game, if he needs to win. And if that means his fitness, then he needs to bring that up too.:)
Felicia_txh 01-26-2007, 10:57 PM He usually play well in first set..but he lost in second set then in third set he sometimes feel panic n make lot of mistakes then he lost!!maybe he feel pressure!!CW has to work harder!!:crying: :crying:
liying_0505 01-27-2007, 04:00 AM I think Li Mao is coaching too many players........cannot focus on Chong Wei.
Y not hand some over to Misbun, since he only has Hafiz under him?
Hope Chong Wei can stay strong.
Morten 01-27-2007, 06:04 AM Agree with Kwun. Players form varies from time to time. Its seen in all sports, even sport stars like Lin Dan, Roger Federer and Ronaldinho have their bad days. Give LCW some time and im sure he will bounce back, hes a fighter.
alfa2 01-27-2007, 08:09 AM LCW --- if you read this, you might get to win again. I am pretty sure this is what makes you lose of late.
You are not moving the shuttle fast enough around the court. Occasionally, you start of like a rocket, e.g. the first game against
Chen Yu when you raced to a commanding lead. He does not get enough time to think to counter you. Think about it. Then you slow down in the 2nd game (probably tired) and he comes back at you --- you start to play rallies, and he had time to think and counter you.
If you go back to the wins against LD, you played fast, cheered on by your avid supporters. He could not get his thoughts together to counter you, even though he is a fast thinker.
This is the thing you need to do (forget about Li Mao, if he has not told you so). You need to speed your play, move the opponents around FAST (I mean real fast as if you are coming back from the 3rd set against LD in the MO in which you won). DON't LET them think....that is the strategy. If you do not win with this I will be surprised.
The Chinese players are very sharp and you cannot let think and control. This is the secret of winning that everybody should know.
This is FREE AND VERY GOOD ADVICE FOR THE ALL-ENGLAND.
X Ball, goddamn well explained......this is a good one !!!
jerby 01-27-2007, 12:21 PM LCW --- if you read this, you might get to win again. I am pretty sure this is what makes you lose of late.
You are not moving the shuttle fast enough around the court. Occasionally, you start of like a rocket, e.g. the first game against
Chen Yu when you raced to a commanding lead. He does not get enough time to think to counter you. Think about it. Then you slow down in the 2nd game (probably tired) and he comes back at you --- you start to play rallies, and he had time to think and counter you.
If you go back to the wins against LD, you played fast, cheered on by your avid supporters. He could not get his thoughts together to counter you, even though he is a fast thinker.
This is the thing you need to do (forget about Li Mao, if he has not told you so). You need to speed your play, move the opponents around FAST (I mean real fast as if you are coming back from the 3rd set against LD in the MO in which you won). DON't LET them think....that is the strategy. If you do not win with this I will be surprised.
The Chinese players are very sharp and you cannot let think and control. This is the secret of winning that everybody should know.
This is FREE AND VERY GOOD ADVICE FOR THE ALL-ENGLAND.
you honestly think one of the best coaches in the world hasn't spotted this? (if it were true, I mean, CJ, BCL etc aren't slowcoaches)
don't forget the opponent hits the other ~50% of all shots played in a rally;) LCW doesn't command the match. and other players (and coaches) dó think...
ye333 01-27-2007, 12:56 PM I think it's his injury. He is not as fast as before and I believe this is not because he or Li Mao decide to play slower games, but because with injured feet(?), LCW simply CANNOT run as fast as before. And when your speed is slower, you have to reduce the pace of your game, otherwise you won't be able to cover the court.
I believe after a while CW will be as fast as before, since speed is his major weapon against other top players. Honestly, I think he is faster than any other top player including LD, although LD is definitely more explosive.
LCW --- if you read this, you might get to win again. I am pretty sure this is what makes you lose of late.
You are not moving the shuttle fast enough around the court. Occasionally, you start of like a rocket, e.g. the first game against
Chen Yu when you raced to a commanding lead. He does not get enough time to think to counter you. Think about it. Then you slow down in the 2nd game (probably tired) and he comes back at you --- you start to play rallies, and he had time to think and counter you.
If you go back to the wins against LD, you played fast, cheered on by your avid supporters. He could not get his thoughts together to counter you, even though he is a fast thinker.
This is the thing you need to do (forget about Li Mao, if he has not told you so). You need to speed your play, move the opponents around FAST (I mean real fast as if you are coming back from the 3rd set against LD in the MO in which you won). DON't LET them think....that is the strategy. If you do not win with this I will be surprised.
The Chinese players are very sharp and you cannot let think and control. This is the secret of winning that everybody should know.
This is FREE AND VERY GOOD ADVICE FOR THE ALL-ENGLAND.
Could it be the Chinese coaches are so good that they finally find LCW's weakness?
which is probably the case also. coaches do sit together and analyse their opponent's style and find out their weaknesses. we know that they have done that for Camilla Martin when she was the biggest threat to the Chinese WS. they even have sparring partners that emulate CM's style so players can play against. they probably know Peter Gade's style and weakness by heart and LCW is a relatively newcomer and i would not be surprised if they have already pulled apart LCW's style.
this is the job of a good coach.
Malaysianfan 01-27-2007, 03:23 PM While it may be true that the chinese coaches have planned a counter attack to LCW's game, i think that his form is not good as well. His speed is slower. Besides the China players he is struggling to overcome some players like Boonsak and Shoji Sato now whom he had no problems to beat previously.
bananaboy 01-27-2007, 04:00 PM While it may be true that the chinese coaches have planned a counter attack to LCW's game, i think that his form is not good as well. His speed is slower. Besides the China players he is struggling to overcome some players like Boonsak and Shoji Sato now whom he had no problems to beat previously.
Hopefully, you are not implying that while LCW is not playing well, Chinese players,Boonsak and Sato don't get better in the meantime...:rolleyes:
Angelou 01-27-2007, 05:19 PM I reallly think that Lee Choong Wei's style of play has changed a bit too. I mean. When I was watching the 2006 ae where he was pitted against Lin Dan, he was very patient throughout the entire game. He just kept the game going. And now from recent games, I see that Lee Choong Wei is doing alot more smashing than pulling and pushing. Well that's just what I've been seeing tell me if anybody else is seeing something different
Malaysianfan 01-27-2007, 05:21 PM Hopefully, you are not implying that while LCW is not playing well, Chinese players,Boonsak and Sato don't get better in the meantime...:rolleyes:
Of course not. Other players will improve at the same time especially BCL but it is obvious too that LCW's form has dropped.He is slower nowadays, doesn't smash much and his usually good net play doesn't work now, always get into the net.Watched his match against Bao Chun Lai at MO,he only started to use his jumping smash in the middle of the 2nd game.
nwy5633 01-27-2007, 11:42 PM from wat i see..
LEE is making more unforce error than ever...
he also can't bring back his best...
when i saw him playing in QF of MO..
totally dissapointed to his performance...
i did not say tat he muz win if i watch him play...
but atleast give a good fight mar...
ermm..
maybe history will be repeated...
as we know LEE is as best as he can in 1st half of 2006 but not in 2nd half..
maybe this time he turning his best form to 2nd half of 2007 and not 1st..
by decreasing his pressure from crowd and others...
maybe he can do better in the 2nd half of 2007...
juz hope he will be back as soon as he can...
alvern 01-28-2007, 02:51 AM to be fair to him, he seems to be showing the effect from his accident that happened right before Doha. Since that accident, he wasn't the same player anymore, you all can see that from his performance in Doha. he needs to reassess his fitness before all-england. fitness = fully injury free.
BlaZe 01-28-2007, 04:26 PM to be fair to him, he seems to be showing the effect from his accident that happened right before Doha. Since that accident, he wasn't the same player anymore, you all can see that from his performance in Doha. he needs to reassess his fitness before all-england. fitness = fully injury free.
some would say he was already out of form at the 2007 WC... LCW is a figter, i'm sure he'll do a great AE
cooler 01-28-2007, 05:20 PM some would say he was already out of form at the 2007 WC... LCW is a figter, i'm sure he'll do a great AEi think TH wanted the 07 AE the most and it's LD's job to stop him. LCW is just a collateral damage:D
Youngunz_77 01-28-2007, 06:42 PM LCW is like antibiotic, if you use it too often, bacteria (The Chinese players) will develop resistance against him. :)
The Star 27/1/06
Badminton: Kien Keat-Boon Heong and Hafiz keep Malaysian flag flying
By RAJES PAUL
PETALING JAYA: Malaysia’s best bet Lee Chong Wei was bundled out of the Korean Open yesterday but compatriots Mohd Hafiz Hashim and Koo Kien Keat-Tan Boon Heong reached the Korean Open semi-finals in contrasting fashions at the Olympic Gymnasium in Seoul.
National number one Chong Wei failed to keep his proud record against China’s Chen Jin intact when he went down fighting 21-14, 15-21, 16-21 in a 55-minute battle.
It was Chong Wei’s first defeat to the Chinese in their three meetings and a sign that his “invincibility” against some of the top Chinese players is wearing off.
His winning streak against another Chinese player Bao Chunlai also ended at last year’s world meet. Since then, the Malaysian has not beaten Chunlai.
is it me or calling chinese players bacteria a little racist? lol
im not chinese or anything but nice metaphor
hcyong 01-28-2007, 10:46 PM I don't think I am arguing about fitness. If he is not fit, there is no way he will speed up his game. But all I am saying he needs to speed up his game, if he needs to win. And if that means his fitness, then he needs to bring that up too.:)
What you say goes without saying. It's like telling a high-jumper that if he can jump higher, he will win.
If I can have superhero powers to speed up my game, I will definitely be unbeatable (if no one else has this power). Even if my skill is so-so, I will win.
X Ball 01-28-2007, 10:53 PM What you say goes without saying. It's like telling a high-jumper that if he can jump higher, he will win.
If I can have superhero powers to speed up my game, I will definitely be unbeatable (if no one else has this power). Even if my skill is so-so, I will win.
Wrong. If you have superhero powers but no skills you can't win.
hcyong 01-29-2007, 03:58 AM Wrong. If you have superhero powers but no skills you can't win.
But if my skills are so-so, I can and I will win every match. I just need to return the shuttle. Where Taufik hits it or how hard he hits it does not matter, I am lighting speed. Even half-court smashes are no problems for me.
Carbonex_21 01-29-2007, 10:13 AM From my opinion, LCW hasn't play aggressive. Most of the time, he play safe which means he play more to rally, less drive, & not smash often. This is not a good way to battle the chinese players which play more aggressive, lot of drive, smashes & sudden attack. When he played BCL on the last game, he put more smashes on his game, but it was too late for him to win the match.
bananaboy 01-29-2007, 10:53 AM From my opinion, LCW hasn't play aggressive. Most of the time, he play safe which means he play more to rally, less drive, & not smash often. This is not a good way to battle the chinese players which play more aggressive, lot of drive, smashes & sudden attack. When he played BCL on the last game, he put more smashes on his game, but it was too late for him to win the match.
I would say only Chen Jin out of the entire Chinese MS squard play with more drives than usual singles players. Chen Jin while playing against TH during China Open 2006 showed his ability in drive shots, and even the guest commentator "former China head coach" Chao(don't know how to translate his name) praised Chen Jin's drive shots several times during the match.:cool:
Carbonex_21 01-29-2007, 07:04 PM Well i would say that all 3 CHENs got this fast drives ability. And LD is the most special player, he can play every shot. His skills like a combination of all chineese players. Ha ha..:D
cooler 01-29-2007, 07:10 PM Well i would say that all 3 CHENs got this fast drives ability. And LD is the most special player, he can play every shot. His skills like a combination of all chineese players. Ha ha..:D
hahaha, yes.
Playing fast against LD is tough since LD seem to have reserve to maintain his speed or add to it. I still say LD lost to TH in 06 AG was due to LD miss timed switching on his afterburner:D.
X Ball 01-29-2007, 09:37 PM hahaha, yes.
Playing fast against LD is tough since LD seem to have reserve to maintain his speed or add to it. I still say LD lost to TH in 06 AG was due to LD miss timed switching on his afterburner:D.
LD is not invincible as has so often been proven. He is just bloody good.
To beat him, you need to step up strongly and play him real fast and furious. You to to match his skills on the day as well as his speed. In other words, you need to stretch him to his limits. It is easier said than done because this guy is a superb athelete.
It is pointless to roll up for the tournament if your are not mentally prepared to challenge LD. It is of course harder these days with so many other Chinese players you need to beat along the way.
In my mind, we need better players to come along (e.g. PG, TH, LCW, Hafiz, LHI) to match the Chinese players -- swarm them to beat them. We need to take down BAO, CY, CJ because they indirectly help LD to succeed by beating the top players so that LD has an easier job. You almost have to beat some top quality Chinese players before you get to LD these days, and that is a pretty tough task.
There are not many top players to challenge the Chinese --- I think only a handful -- as I said PG, TH, LCW, and perhaps Hafiz (given that he is now able to beat Chen Hong again). To prove my point, in the Korean Open, PG and TH did not turn up. That leaves LCW and Hafiz. LCW knew it was a daunting task and psychologically he was already beaten before he got to the QTR FINAL and HAFIZ 'killed' a Chinese but found it hard to go forward after that as it was very tiring.
When TH and PG are involved, the chances are higher to knock off LD or the Chinese (it is still a tough task) but the combined forces make it easier --- swarm them with the numbers so that psychologically the Chinese will feel the tiredness.
I feel Malaysia needs to bring up more players --- perhaps, they might, e.g. Yeoh Kay Bin is coming along well, Hafiz is beginning to move his legs a lot more, and Roslin might spoil one of the Chinese chances every now and then (he still has it in him). LCW is feeling very tired in his game but if we can get his teammates to play better, he might feel rejuvenated and then play a bit better himself.
Kamen 01-30-2007, 02:24 AM i think LCW is now suffering from mental and physical fatigue. He is not on form and you can see from his face that he is not as confident as he used to be. I hope he will get out from this slump asap.
I don't think he is still injured.
Felicia_txh 01-30-2007, 04:06 AM i think LCW is now suffering from mental and physical fatigue. He is not on form and you can see from his face that he is not as confident as he used to be. I hope he will get out from this slump asap.
I don't think he is still injured.
Ya..i agree with u..i think his leg had recovered long time ago..:rolleyes:
alfa2 01-30-2007, 04:35 AM his injuries are in his head and heart......
nwy5633 01-30-2007, 05:47 AM hahaha..
good description...
Joyous 01-30-2007, 07:40 PM I think LCW is going thru' a difficult phase at the moment. If you observe, other players like PG, TH & LD also had their rough moments. However, LD is slightly better in that he gets out of it faster than the rest.
LD & Roger Federer had similars thoughts that when you get to be World No.1, it's harder to stay there as many other players want to take a shot to beat you. Perhaps, the rumour about Li Mao leaving may have an effect on LCW's mind. Things like that may have effects on the players.
tjl_vanguard 01-30-2007, 08:49 PM I think LCW is going thru' a difficult phase at the moment. If you observe, other players like PG, TH & LD also had their rough moments. However, LD is slightly better in that he gets out of it faster than the rest.
LD & Roger Federer had similars thoughts that when you get to be World No.1, it's harder to stay there as many other players want to take a shot to beat you. Perhaps, the rumour about Li Mao leaving may have an effect on LCW's mind. Things like that may have effects on the players.
yes.. tats wad i said b4... every players will have to go through this phase and only coming back stronger cuz of their mental more matured.... good example so far: Peter Gade
smashmouth 01-30-2007, 10:30 PM I agree with those who think that the Chinese have analyzed and figured out how to beat LCW.
In my opinion, if you exclude the Chinese players, only PG, LCW and TH are real title contenders. So the Chinese coaching staff would only have to concentrate on figuring out how to beat these 3. On the other hand, the three I mentioned would have to worry about each other plus LD, BCL, CH, CJ and CY. These 5 Chinese players are all contenders who have very different styles.
That is why, in my opinion, the Chinese have the edge and why non-Chinese players like LCW are finding it more and more difficult to win a title.
LazyBuddy 01-30-2007, 11:01 PM I agree with those who think that the Chinese have analyzed and figured out how to beat LCW.
In my opinion, if you exclude the Chinese players, only PG, LCW and TH are real title contenders. So the Chinese coaching staff would only have to concentrate on figuring out how to beat these 3. On the other hand, the three I mentioned would have to worry about each other plus LD, BCL, CH, CJ and CY. These 5 Chinese players are all contenders who have very different styles.
That is why, in my opinion, the Chinese have the edge and why non-Chinese players like LCW are finding it more and more difficult to win a title.
I agree.
Plus, I think the "internal match" practices help the CHN players a lot. They have way more than enough "high level" practices (against each other) day and night, which make a lot of them thinking the open tournaments are "much easier". For ppl like LCW, he might have a little bit difficulties to even get a quality opponents in his daily training. Even if he finds one, the quantity is no where near the CHN national team (plus 2nd team and juniors).
tjl_vanguard 01-30-2007, 11:44 PM the way he replies smashes n rallies as well shows that he is not playing his best..
yuqiu 02-01-2007, 09:46 PM Li Mao must feel he ran out of ideas to combat the China players. Thirty six policies, the best policy is to go away. :D
Friday February 2, 2007
Chong Wei’s left in the lurch as coach Li Mao packs his bags
By RAJES PAUL
PETALING JAYA: Chinese coach Li Mao has left Malaysia to rejoin South Korea and it has thrown a spanner in the works of Lee Chong Wei's preparation for the World Badminton Championships.
And the 25-year-old national number one, who has set his sights on winning the championships, which will be held at the Putra Stadium in Bukit Jalil from Aug 13-19, hopes that Li Mao would explain his reasons for leaving abruptly when he returns to Malaysia after the Chinese New Year holidays on Feb 20.
Li Mao, who left for China after his last assignment with the national team at the Korean Open last week, has yet to officially inform the Badminton Association of Malaysia (BAM) of his decision to leave the national team.
National chief coach Yap Kim Hock confirmed yesterday that Li Mao signed a
contract with the Korean BA during the Korean Open and he was expected to begin work in Seoul in March.
Prior to joining the BAM in 2005, Li Mao had taken the Korean men's singles players to greater heights.
His two-year contract in Malaysia expired on Dec 31. But instead of renewing it until the 2008 Beijing Olympic Games, the National Sports Council (NSC) sat on it.
For now, Kim Hock said that women's singles coach Wong Tat Meng would take over the job of handling the men's players.
It is unlikely that the BAM would hire a foreigner immediately and the Sidek brothers – Misbun and Rashid – are seen as the better candidates to take charge of the men's singles department.
Misbun is currently with the national team and he coaches Mohd Hafiz Hashim while Rashid is the chief coach of the Project 2010-12 squad.
“We did not expect this. I called him two days ago (in China) and he confirmed that he has joined the Korean BA,” said Kim Hock.
“He is a professional coach and making decisions like this is normal. We have to accept it.
“Now, we have to decide on the coaching structure for the men's singles at the next BAM's coaching and training committee meeting. The show goes on for us. Tat Meng has learnt a lot under Li Mao and he will take care of the men's players for now.”
Chong Wei, who reached the number one spot for the first time – albeit for a short period – under the charge of Li Mao, was disappointed.
“No, I did not hear this news from Li Mao. He dropped hints during the Korean Open but I thought it was a joke,” said Chong Wei.
“When he comes back from his break, hopefully, we can have dinner together. I hope he will tell all of us (the men's singles players) about his decision. Was it because of me? The BAM? Or was it the country? We want to hear why he chose to leave.”
Chong Wei's performances have dropped since his elimination in the quarter-finals of the World Championships in Madrid last September.
Now ranked at world number five, he hopes that his preparation for the upcoming world meet will not be affected.
“It takes a while for me to get used to the styles of a new coach. In fact, it took me half a year to get used to Li Mao's coaching methods. There are only six months to go to the world meet,” said Chong Wei.
“I have to make the best out of the situation. My immediate task is to concentrate on the All-England (in Birmingham from March 6-11).”
Under the charge of Li Mao, except for the achievements of Chong Wei and Wong Choong Hann, there was nothing to shout about from the others.
X Ball 02-01-2007, 11:40 PM Life being a coach is not easy. One can get fired if the players do not perform. Li Mao was a good coach but unfortunately, players are sometimes wayward and when they don't perform as expected, the coach gets the jitters. In this case, I think Li Mao felt insecured and it was better to be safe and therefore he took up an offer from Korea.
I think Li Mao was feeling the heat recently when Kim Hock said that if LCW did not perform in the Korean Open, Li Mao would have to answer for it. Well, I think Li Mao 'answered' by saying goodbye.
Kamen 02-01-2007, 11:58 PM when i first got to know about Li Mao's departure, i felt that he betrayed Mal.
however, after reading the article, i could not blame him, his contract expired on 31st Dec and BAM sat on it!
if i were Li Mao, i would leave. :rolleyes:
2cents 02-02-2007, 12:21 AM Well, BAM refuses to renew the contract, and also Li Mao has been always underpaid, plus too much workload with many fingers point to. If nobody blames firing a coach, how come a coach cannot find a better job?
hcyong 02-02-2007, 04:04 AM His performance dropped since WMC went public and said they were just "friends". :) :) haha just joking
yuqiu 02-02-2007, 07:05 PM Who can help bring up standard and confidence back to LCW? Not much! :(
Saturday February 3, 2007
New coach likely to be announced before Chinese New Year
By RAJES PAUL
KUALA LUMPUR: National number one shuttler Lee Chong Wei hopes that a new national coach for the men’s singles will be named quickly. And he is set to get his wish before the Chinese New Year.
Yesterday, the 25-year-old Chong Wei, ranked third in the world, said the Badminton Association of Malaysia (BAM) should act fast to find a replacement for coach Li Mao. The Chinese has decided to leave and join the Korean BA.
Chong Wei wants to have a coach named fast to enable him to prepare for this year's World Championships, which will be held at the Putra Stadium from Aug 13-19.
“It is my only hope that this (replacement of the coach) will be sorted out quickly. For the time being, (Wong) Tat Meng will take care of the men’s singles. But I am still waiting for the official announcement,” said Chong Wei.
“The absence of coach Li Mao will not affect my game greatly. I have learnt a lot from him and I’m grateful. But it is important to have a coach, who will prepare the training programme and also encourage the players at the same time.”
Yesterday, the BAM’s general manager Kenny Goh Chee Keong said that the matter would be resolved before the Chinese New Year.
“Yes, we will solve this quickly. The BAM will hold their exco meeting before the Chinese New Year and we will name the new national singles coach,” said Kenny.
“Wong Tat Meng has agreed to be the caretaker coach of the men’s singles for now. After two years with Li Mao, he knows the trick of the trade,” he added.
The candidates for the spot are the Sidek brothers - Misbun and Rashid.
alfa2 02-02-2007, 07:05 PM I agree.
Plus, I think the "internal match" practices help the CHN players a lot. They have way more than enough "high level" practices (against each other) day and night, which make a lot of them thinking the open tournaments are "much easier". For ppl like LCW, he might have a little bit difficulties to even get a quality opponents in his daily training. Even if he finds one, the quantity is no where near the CHN national team (plus 2nd team and juniors).
its ok lazybuddy, dun worry, LCW has KBH to spar with.:eek::eek::eek:
alfa2 02-02-2007, 07:11 PM Life being a coach is not easy. One can get fired if the players do not perform. Li Mao was a good coach but unfortunately, players are sometimes wayward and when they don't perform as expected, the coach gets the jitters. In this case, I think Li Mao felt insecured and it was better to be safe and therefore he took up an offer from Korea.
I think Li Mao was feeling the heat recently when Kim Hock said that if LCW did not perform in the Korean Open, Li Mao would have to answer for it. Well, I think Li Mao 'answered' by saying goodbye.
yeah i think goodbye is the answer to kim hock's question too.
yuqiu 02-02-2007, 07:42 PM May be it is the attitude from players like KBH that make Li Mao shakes his head.:mad:
Sunday January 7, 2007
Beng Hong has no fear of the juniors
PETALING JAYA: National men's singles shuttler Kuan Beng Hong is in no rush to be among the world's best. In fact, he's not even thinking about being the country's best.
He knows that none of the back-up players are even close to his standard.
National singles coach Li Mao has targeted Beng Hong to qualify for the 2008 Beijing Olympic Games but the 24-year-old player is not too worried about missing out. He knows his place in the national team will not be jeopardised.
“My coach (Li Mao) has high hopes. But it is a tall order for me, especially now that I am not very confident about my game,” said Beng Hong.
“But I’m working hard in training. Hopefully, I will be able to achieve a breakthrough in one of three tournaments – the Malaysian Open (Jan 16-21), Korean Open (Jan 23-28) and the All-England (March 6-11). That would help me enter the Olympic qualifying period with more confidence.”
The Olympic qualifying season begins in May.
While Beng Hong is hard-pressed to psyche himself up, the absence of juniors and peers to keep him on his toes is fast becoming another problem.
“I will be back to training even if I do not make the cut for the Olympics. I will be concentrating on other tournaments,” he said.
“It is just unfortunate that there is no pressure from the juniors right now. For the time being, my place in the national team is safe.”
Beng Hong, who is ranked 31st in the world, said there was a big gap in standards between the seniors and the second team.
“It was different when I was in the back-up team. We trained with the seniors and had match practice every week.
“Our back-up players now train on their own. They only get a chance to rub shoulders with the seniors during the local circuit. And last year, we had only two legs of the circuit!
“I’m not looking down on them but their standard is low now,” added Beng Hong.
The back-up singles players under the Project 2010-12 are Chong Wei Feng, Tan Chun Seang, Azrihanif Azahar, Lim Kenn, Mohd Syafiq Jamaluddin, Liew Daren, Chong Li Qun and Beryno Wong.
The seniors train in Bukit Jalil while the back-up players are based at the Stadium Juara in Bukit Kiara.
Simp84 02-02-2007, 08:20 PM May be it is the attitude from players like KBH that make Li Mao shakes his head.:mad:
Sunday January 7, 2007
Beng Hong has no fear of the juniors
PETALING JAYA: National men's singles shuttler Kuan Beng Hong is in no rush to be among the world's best. In fact, he's not even thinking about being the country's best.
He knows that none of the back-up players are even close to his standard.
National singles coach Li Mao has targeted Beng Hong to qualify for the 2008 Beijing Olympic Games but the 24-year-old player is not too worried about missing out. He knows his place in the national team will not be jeopardised.
“My coach (Li Mao) has high hopes. But it is a tall order for me, especially now that I am not very confident about my game,” said Beng Hong.
“But I’m working hard in training. Hopefully, I will be able to achieve a breakthrough in one of three tournaments – the Malaysian Open (Jan 16-21), Korean Open (Jan 23-28) and the All-England (March 6-11). That would help me enter the Olympic qualifying period with more confidence.”
The Olympic qualifying season begins in May.
While Beng Hong is hard-pressed to psyche himself up, the absence of juniors and peers to keep him on his toes is fast becoming another problem.
“I will be back to training even if I do not make the cut for the Olympics. I will be concentrating on other tournaments,” he said.
“It is just unfortunate that there is no pressure from the juniors right now. For the time being, my place in the national team is safe.”
Beng Hong, who is ranked 31st in the world, said there was a big gap in standards between the seniors and the second team.
“It was different when I was in the back-up team. We trained with the seniors and had match practice every week.
“Our back-up players now train on their own. They only get a chance to rub shoulders with the seniors during the local circuit. And last year, we had only two legs of the circuit!
“I’m not looking down on them but their standard is low now,” added Beng Hong.
The back-up singles players under the Project 2010-12 are Chong Wei Feng, Tan Chun Seang, Azrihanif Azahar, Lim Kenn, Mohd Syafiq Jamaluddin, Liew Daren, Chong Li Qun and Beryno Wong.
The seniors train in Bukit Jalil while the back-up players are based at the Stadium Juara in Bukit Kiara.
I think he should be kick out of the team, because his present attitude will definatly affect the top players like LCW/hafiz/WCH and lower their standard
Ethan 02-02-2007, 09:26 PM The problem is not with his attitude, but with BAM's policy of not letting the back up and senior shuttlers spar together. Hence, the gap between the seniors and the backups are widening.
alfa2 02-02-2007, 10:37 PM May be it is the attitude from players like KBH that make Li Mao shakes his head.:mad:
Sunday January 7, 2007
Beng Hong has no fear of the juniors
PETALING JAYA: National men's singles shuttler Kuan Beng Hong is in no rush to be among the world's best. In fact, he's not even thinking about being the country's best.
He knows that none of the back-up players are even close to his standard.
National singles coach Li Mao has targeted Beng Hong to qualify for the 2008 Beijing Olympic Games but the 24-year-old player is not too worried about missing out. He knows his place in the national team will not be jeopardised.
“My coach (Li Mao) has high hopes. But it is a tall order for me, especially now that I am not very confident about my game,” said Beng Hong.
“But I’m working hard in training. Hopefully, I will be able to achieve a breakthrough in one of three tournaments – the Malaysian Open (Jan 16-21), Korean Open (Jan 23-28) and the All-England (March 6-11). That would help me enter the Olympic qualifying period with more confidence.”
The Olympic qualifying season begins in May.
While Beng Hong is hard-pressed to psyche himself up, the absence of juniors and peers to keep him on his toes is fast becoming another problem.
“I will be back to training even if I do not make the cut for the Olympics. I will be concentrating on other tournaments,” he said.
“It is just unfortunate that there is no pressure from the juniors right now. For the time being, my place in the national team is safe.”
Beng Hong, who is ranked 31st in the world, said there was a big gap in standards between the seniors and the second team.
“It was different when I was in the back-up team. We trained with the seniors and had match practice every week.
“Our back-up players now train on their own. They only get a chance to rub shoulders with the seniors during the local circuit. And last year, we had only two legs of the circuit!
“I’m not looking down on them but their standard is low now,” added Beng Hong.
The back-up singles players under the Project 2010-12 are Chong Wei Feng, Tan Chun Seang, Azrihanif Azahar, Lim Kenn, Mohd Syafiq Jamaluddin, Liew Daren, Chong Li Qun and Beryno Wong.
The seniors train in Bukit Jalil while the back-up players are based at the Stadium Juara in Bukit Kiara.
how do you expect the juniors to be competitive when seniors like you (KBH) provides such "enjoyment" everytime we watch you play???:o:o
yuqiu 02-03-2007, 09:45 PM BAM and NSC is to be blamed.
Sunday February 4, 2007
Li Mao’s exit is the result of feet-dragging by BAM and NSC
KUALA LUMPUR: Procrastination is the deferment or avoidance of an action or task.
The Badminton Association of Malaysia (BAM) and National Sports Council (NSC) are certainly guilty of this, which led to the premature departure of Chinese coach Li Mao.
The two parties were slow to act and Li Mao, whose contract ended last December, was hired by the Korean BA.
Last week, the Chinese decided to join South Korea, leaving the men singles team – especially Lee Chong Wei – in a lurch ahead of the World Championships, which will be held at Putra Stadium in Bukit Jalil from Aug 13-19.
http://www.thestar.com.my/archives/2007/2/4/sports/s_67nadzmi.jpg
Happier days: Filepic shows BAM president Datuk Nadzmi Mohd Salleh (left) welcoming Li Mao, who was hired as the national coach in 2005. Li Mao has joined the Korean BA and Misbun Sidek (centre) is among the candidates to take over his post.
Now, the BAM are scrambling to find an able replacement among the local coaches – Wong Tat Meng, Misbun Sidek and Rashid Sidek.
Tat Meng, who is the women’s singles coach, has agreed to take care of the men for the time being.
Last month, Li Mao and the other coaches asked BAM why their contract renewal had been delayed and the badminton body pointed their finger at the NSC.
Like all the other National Sports Associations, BAM chose to wait for NSC to announce their plans for the year.
And subsequently BAM sent memos to the coaches telling them to wait until March.
The BAM were, after all, following orders as the NSC are the paymasters for the coaches.
Following the end of the Doha programme last year, NSC are currently in the midst of re-organising their programme and looking into the contracts of the athletes and coaches.
Even the project managers under the Doha programme headed by Damien Kelly don't know what's in store for them.
And one wonders why is it taking such a long time to finalise matters?
China, Australia and other European countries are already in their second phrase of preparing their teams for the 2010 London Olympics.
The “brainstorming” sessions to decide the training programmes for the 2008 Beijing Olympic Games (which is only a year away) should have been done before last December's Doha Asiad.
In fact, the coaches should have been appointed immediately after the Asiad, which ended on Dec 15.
Does it really take more than a month to decide whether to hire or fire a coach?
Now, the NSC are waiting for the cabinet committee for sport to approve their major plans.
And it is not easy getting the committee together which, of course, will lead to more delay. Unfortunately that is the sad tale of Malaysian sport – as far as management is concerned.
As for national chief coach Yap Kim Hock, he can only mull about the Li Mao episode.
“If only I was in South Korea, probably Li Mao would not have left,” said Kim Hock, who stayed home due to the poor health of his grandmother.
“I would have persuaded him to stay on. He (Li Mao) has done well with the men’s singles and it is a great loss to our team. But the show will have to go on. “
And there may be more cases of coaches jumping ship if the BAM and NSC and other sport associations continue to procrastinate.
cooler 02-03-2007, 10:55 PM often, fans ask why their favortie athletes/team aren't performing and often the answer is poor management. It's the same in the business world as well.
X Ball 02-04-2007, 10:08 PM LCW must be ill at heart coz one gets this feeling with all the recent commotion of Li Mao joining the Korean team, he must have known somewhat of what was going to happen.
Maybe it is the little bit he knows and the little bit he did not know that was causing him to play so badly recently. A player can be affected by his coach easily, it is like the mentor leaving you and you feel a sadness, which can affect performance.
LCW mentioned that Li Mao said to him that he was leaving but he thot it was a joke. I am pretty sure someone like Li Mao (if he was going to leave) would have said something to LCW so that he will not be seen as quiting his charge.
LCW must now pick up the pieces with a new coach. Li Mao is history. If it is going to be Rashid, then I think it would not be that bad coz Rashid was a great player (and probably a good coach). One has to respect a great player and he might strike a good cord with LCW.
Good Vibes LCW.
alfa2 02-05-2007, 10:09 PM Zhao Jian Hua or Yang Yang perhaps?
alfa2 02-07-2007, 12:09 PM one of the reason why LCW kept on losing. http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=40603
alfa2 02-09-2007, 09:58 PM if LCW can play with less unforced errors like in MS final of Chinese Taipei 2006 (watching now just finish downloaded), then he can launch a strike back..... and has another 8-0 record against BCL. BCL has really improved alot these days....
Carbonex_21 02-10-2007, 11:32 AM my advise to LCW is dont lift shuttle high, easier for BCL to smash bcoz he is quite tall:D and start boost yr game from the beginning.
taufik-ist 02-12-2007, 12:09 AM my advise to LCW is dont lift shuttle high, easier for BCL to smash bcoz he is quite tall:D and start boost yr game from the beginning.
lcw must see taufik vs bcl doha semi final video
tjl_vanguard 02-12-2007, 02:54 AM y must watch?? anything special?
taufik-ist 02-12-2007, 10:28 PM y must watch?? anything special?
taufik made BCL keep moving around 'back and front'
alfa2 02-14-2007, 01:01 AM taufik made BCL keep moving around 'back and front'
"back n forth" ??? hmmmm....... :D:D:D:D:D:D:D
taufik-ist 02-15-2007, 01:53 AM "back n forth" ??? hmmmm....... :D:D:D:D:D:D:D
he..he slip my tounge :D
tjl_vanguard 03-28-2007, 02:45 AM anyone got da vid??
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