i think kkk should stop playing XD as it is tiring him out....i mean wat the heck was the coach thinking??? helping kkk to get more cash??? in the olden days where park joo bong can won 2 titles at the same time was totally different than today where doubles are played in a very fast and furious way.

back in those olden days, "i-lift-u-smash-me-then-u-lift-i-smash-u-then-mayb-i-lob-n-u-lob-also (still remember Jalani/Razif Sidek's play??)" way of playing was time consuming where players of both side will have enough time to recover from their tiredness, so physical fitness wasn't part of the main key in winning a game......but not now anymore, where skill, speed, power n physical fitness are all crucial. so kkk must stop participating in XD starting from the next tournament (isnt there anyone else other than KKK n Fairuz???)so that he can maintain his game standard throughout the year and it just isnt fair for TBH.

but as i've said before, a good sportman will know that losing is losing, whatsoever the reason or excuse that we put up for them cant change the fact that KKK/TBH had lost and that their opponents are better than them.

how many horus were there between his matches?

maybe kkk likes playign XD...

Hmm i think he was distracted too many pretty koreans around... hheheh kidding

well..gao ling is playing both xd n wd very well...she said she's fine wif it..but of cuz v cant compare things lik tat..kkk is kkk,gao ling is gao ling..:cool:

how many horus were there between his matches?

maybe kkk likes playign XD...

think might b 1 to 2 hrs.....but the thing is when the XD game is stretched to 3 games, n you know in XD the man have to do alot of work compared to the gals, sometimes even more than MD. i dun think its the time spacing between XD n MD, but rather the total games he played a day that matters.Imagine he played MD first n then followed by XD, he would then not b as fresh as playing XD first, right?

Well, i cant seem to understand the coaches also. KKK/TBH need to play all the way from the qualifying round & yet they still decided to field him at the XD??! Perhaps they hv too much confidence on KKK's stamina or wat?

well..gao ling is playing both xd n wd very well...she said she's fine wif it..but of cuz v cant compare things lik tat..kkk is kkk,gao ling is gao ling..:cool:

ya gao ling is doing very well in both xd n wd.
i remember she only hav a few hours break between xd n wd in d MO finals but she still wins both(impressed by her actually-i was thr wathiing d games).
n gao ling is more senior than kkk in terms of age.
but of course md is more important but kkk/wpt is doing well in xd.
the best xd pair tat mas hav

ya gao ling is doing very well in both xd n wd.
i remember she only hav a few hours break between xd n wd in d MO finals but she still wins both(impressed by her actually-i was thr wathiing d games).
n gao ling is more senior than kkk in terms of age.
but of course md is more important but kkk/wpt is doing well in xd.
the best xd pair tat mas hav

Tats why we salute GL, she is the superwoman. I think she has the best stamina, might be even better than the boys :p

haha
no wonder so many ppl support gao ling in MO
haha
were u there too zyloy in MO?

haha
no wonder so many ppl support gao ling in MO
haha
were u there too zyloy in MO?

Ya i was there. GL got quite alot of cheers from the fans and she did mention that she loves the Msian crowd also. I hv to admit the Msian crowd is the best, the atmosfere is like the football stadium plus good supporting spirit from the crowd.:p

zqloy..r u a reporter?GL really is a good player n i respect her so much!!hope she can win the tittle...

zqloy..r u a reporter?GL really is a good player n i respect her so much!!hope she can win the tittle...

Lol... of course im NOT a reporter :p

Well, i cant seem to understand the coaches also. KKK/TBH need to play all the way from the qualifying round & yet they still decided to field him at the XD??! Perhaps they hv too much confidence on KKK's stamina or wat?

testing stamina 123, testing 123.....:D:D:D

how many horus were there between his matches?

maybe kkk likes playign XD...

is it? mayb he loves the lesser price money of XD offers coz he dunno where to spend them as most of his time already spent playing both MD n XD??? :D:D:D it's time for rexy n kim hock to sort out the priorities.....shouldnt they b looking for quanlity game from their players instead of quantity from KKK. would u prefer KKK in two semis in both MD n XD or winning in the tournament in MD only??? i think all of us knew the answer......

Maybe he has the talent like Park Joo Bong and Kim Dong Moon to win both!!;)

Even he has the talent of Park Joo Bong or Kim Dong Moon,he will be fighting a losing battle.With all due respect,I feel Malaysian ladies are still not up to the mark.

Maybe he has the talent like Park Joo Bong and Kim Dong Moon to win both!!;)

i also thought about that too. If KKK was as good as PJB or KDM, he would not find it difficult to participate in both events.

However, we must realise that Wong Pei Tye is not as good as Ra Kyu Min. No offence intended. So, i think KKK should just concentrate on MD until there is a good female player to partner him in XD.

Btw, Lee Yong Dae is also featured in two events. :rolleyes:

Even he has the talent of Park Joo Bong or Kim Dong Moon,he will be fighting a losing battle.With all due respect,I feel Malaysian ladies are still not up to the mark.

you beat me by a few seconds. cheers!

i watched the match, LYD and JJS were the better pair today. KKK and TBH made a lot of unforced errors.

I am surprised that Rexy was not around. If he was there, i think the result should be better. TBH and KKK appeared a little bit "lost" without him, i think.

I tot KKK always used his XD matches to 'warm up' himself before MD matches.... seemed to work before, but maybe after qualifying TWICE! maybe not anymore...

i watched the match, LYD and JJS were the better pair today. KKK and TBH made a lot of unforced errors.

I am surprised that Rexy was not around. If he was there, i think the result should be better. TBH and KKK appeared a little bit "lost" without him, i think.


u r right, everytime Rexy will guard and giving advice for them during the game.......

hehe
but i think kkk/wpt has been playing well
they won bronze in wc 06 n wpt also won bronze w fairuz
since they x train 2gether 4 xd, wat do u expect?
getting bronze in wc n asian games is gd enough considering tat they x expect tat fr xd.
somehow xd seems 2 deliver when others fail like in wc
if mas really wanna establish a proper xd like wat kim hock say, they shld be taught better xd skills.
learn fr gao ling.
haha.
btw i think kkk/tbh should add some variety 2 their game.
they cant be expecting to have chances 2 smash everytime fr their opponent n keep lifting their opponents smash.add a little different strategy
nway they hav a bright future ahead

Basically i don't think playing in 2 events would be VERY tiring. You have to understand that these guys are professionals. Their trainings and practices are much more grueling than the Official Matches itselfs. KKK understand this and he knows himself best. If he can't handle playing in 2 events, he will definately voice it out to his coaches. So far he doesn't have problem playing in 2 events. However he also understand that you can't win matches all the time. You opponent can play better than you.

yup
it all depends on kkk whether he wants 2 play in xd or not
n since d xd is doing quite well y not?
hehe
hmmm ants u mean he also understands tat u can't win all the time rite?
ya no one wins all the time
not even lin dan
haha

in the olden days where park joo bong can won 2 titles at the same time was totally different than today where doubles are played in a very fast and furious way.



However in the old days, we use OSS, and now we use NSS, which does help the atheltes to save some energy. ;)

Even he has the talent of Park Joo Bong or Kim Dong Moon,he will be fighting a losing battle.With all due respect,I feel Malaysian ladies are still not up to the mark.

yeah tats wat i tink too....sadly :(:(

u r right, everytime Rexy will guard and giving advice for them during the game.......

so shouldn't the tournament organizer give rexy a medal too for his effort in helping them to win?:D:D:D KKK/TBH should get matured enough by end of 2007 and hopefully after that they wont b needing rexy's guide as what they needed him in KO.

just hope that KKK is like Carl Lewis.....who had tackled both 100m and 200m run and set the world record too.....

i think tat koo is ok with xd and md...
the problem is from our women doubles player...
maybe koo is 80% like gao ling but we can't find a better player for him...
tat's why the onli left choice go to wong pei tty...
btw. i think wong is juz giving too many return to koo caz can't help much like GL partner..
koo must giv a run for every point in xd and tat's very tired...
then his md rhythm been break by his xd difference tactics...
so tat's why he can't get into the game...
my suggestion is let our women pair train with md pairs...
ofcourse not koo/tan or lee wan wah them la...
but maybe ong soon hock/tan bin shen and any backup pair...
this will really help our women pairs a lot...
due to the upgrading of women players then koo will be more comfortable...
then i think there will be no problem for koo to achieve wat gao ling did...

i watched the match, LYD and JJS were the better pair today. KKK and TBH made a lot of unforced errors.

I am surprised that Rexy was not around. If he was there, i think the result should be better. TBH and KKK appeared a little bit "lost" without him, i think.
...KKK & TBH were playing against HJM & LJJ??...LYD & JJS were the winners against Tony & Candra..;)
Abt Rexy being & not being there and probably affected KKK's & TBH's performance, hmm, i think it might, but IMO, the Korean pair that played them yesterday were much more hungrier..They took the court as if it meant business to them, esp. with that straight set victory..;)

I think I go with the majority here, KKK should stop playing XD. GL can do it in the ladies category but I think she can do it becos she doesnt do a lot jumping smash and running around the court. All she does is killing the shots at the net. As for KKK, he has to do much much more in XD.

Am very surprise KKK/TBH lost so tamely in the first game.

i think tat koo is ok with xd and md...
the problem is from our women doubles player...
maybe koo is 80% like gao ling but we can't find a better player for him...
tat's why the onli left choice go to wong pei tty...
btw. i think wong is juz giving too many return to koo caz can't help much like GL partner..
koo must giv a run for every point in xd and tat's very tired...
then his md rhythm been break by his xd difference tactics...
so tat's why he can't get into the game...
my suggestion is let our women pair train with md pairs...
ofcourse not koo/tan or lee wan wah them la...
but maybe ong soon hock/tan bin shen and any backup pair...
this will really help our women pairs a lot...
due to the upgrading of women players then koo will be more comfortable...
then i think there will be no problem for koo to achieve wat gao ling did...


i agree w u tat our wd should train w md
just like ws wong mew choo is under limao n training w d guys.
n she sure has improved a lot.
so y not let chin/wong train w guys too?
chin/wong hav improved a lot 2.
they r world no 7 now
they need gd sparring partners cos d gap between them n d other wd is wide.i cant c any gd wd except 4 chin/wong n lim/joanne quay but lim/joanne is under klrc now.
so i think they will be better training w d guys like mew choo.
seriusly d wd department better come up w some solutions cos all our wd lost in 1st round in MO n KO except lim/joanne.
as 4 kkk, let kim hock n himself decide whether he shld play in xd or not.but i can c tat there is potential in kkk/wpt.
nway d main focus is still md n wd
all d best

...KKK & TBH were playing against HJM & LJJ??...LYD & JJS were the winners against Tony & Candra..;)
Abt Rexy being & not being there and probably affected KKK's & TBH's performance, hmm, i think it might, but IMO, the Korean pair that played them yesterday were much more hungrier..They took the court as if it meant business to them, esp. with that straight set victory..;)

thanks for your correction, i didn't realise i made a gross error until you pointed it out. my head was thinking LJJ and HJM but my hand typed LYD and JJS. :o

Actually losing is not a very strange things for the players,i don't expect them to win every competition they played because nobody is perfect in this world.As for he should or should not pair XD,i think he is the one who should decide it coz he know himself the most and whatever he do,just hope him don't tired hiself and continue with his good performance.

Korea Open: Malaysian challenge ends
FATIGUE finally brought the giant-killing run of Koo Kien Keat-Tan Boon Heong to an end while a fighting performance by Hafiz Hashim wasnt enough as Malaysias interest in the US,000 (RM1.05 million) Korea Open ended in the semi-finals yesterday.
Mens doubles Kien Keat-Boon Heong, chasing their third consecutive international title and fourth final in as many championships, failed to produce the form that won them the Malaysia Open and Doha Asian Games titles in yesterdays battle against South Koreas Lee Jae Jin-Hwang Ji Man.
National chief coach Yap Kim Hock said fatigue was the reason for the below par performance which saw Kien Keat-Boon Heong lose 21-10, 21-18 in 27 minutes. Their only previous clash with the World No 5 Koreans had been in the second round of the Japan Open which the Malaysians won 21-12, 14-21, 21-17.
"They were tired. It has been a tough two weeks for them, playing in back-to-back world class tournaments. Besides that, the duo had to play in the qualifying rounds of both tournaments. Another disadvantage was that Kien Keat also played in the mixed doubles," said Kim Hock.
Kim Hock said he will speak to doubles coach Rexy Mainaky to decide whether the duo should cut down on their participation in tournaments.
"There is a high chance that Kien Keat-Boon Heong will skip the Austrian Open (Feb 22-25) and several other minor events to concentrate on important ones such as the All-England (March 6-11)."
The major reason why the pair were entered for numerous tournaments was their world ranking, which was 118 before the Malaysia Open.
But the pair have proved by virtue of their title triumph in the Malaysia Open and semi-final appearance in Korea that they have the quality to qualify for the World Championships without having to play in many tournaments. In fact, their Malaysian Open triumph saw the pairs ranking improve to 50.
"Its not necessary for the duo to play in so many tournaments as their semi-final appearance in Korea has assured them valuable ranking points. I may even decide on Kien Keat to concentrate only on the mens doubles," said Kim Hock.
Kien Keat and Wong Pei Tty, who won a bronze in the World Championships in Madrid last year, fell in the mixed doubles quarter-finals in Korea.
The doubles final will be an all-Korean affair after Jung Jae Sung-Lee Yong Dae upstaged former Olympic champions Tony Gunawan-Candra Wijaya 21-23, 21-16, 21-12.
But as Kim Hock rued the exit of Kien Keat-Boon Heong, he was pleased with the improvement and fighting spirit that Hafiz had displayed throughout the tournament.
Although Hafiz had to admit defeat again to Chinas Chen Jin, what was pleasing was that he didnt surrender easily. Chen Jin, the world No 6, won 21-9, 19-21, 21-11 in 56 minutes.
"He is getting back his form. He defeated some of the worlds top players en route to the semi-finals. If he carries on, he should be on top of his game in a couple of months time."
Among the big names that Hafiz slew in Korea were Chinas Chen Hong, who beat him in the first round of the Malaysia Open, and Indonesias Sony Dwi Kuncoro.
After losing the first game 21-9, Hafiz came back strongly in the second, coming from 16-19 down to win 21-19 to force the decider. But his endurance was suspect in the third game and he fell 21-11. But as Kim Hock said, Hafiz must use the Korea Open to relaunch his stagnant career.

Actually losing is not a very strange things for the players,i don't expect them to win every competition they played because nobody is perfect in this world.As for he should or should not pair XD,i think he is the one who should decide it coz he know himself the most and whatever he do,just hope him don't tired hiself and continue with his good performance.

Sadly, it's not up to him to decide, the decision is between Rexy n Kim Hock to make.... even if he knows that he can do it without really tiring himself to affect his MD performance, to really exel in XD, we have to able to extract a GL's performance from WPT, which i think at this moment is almost impossible to do.Unless we do a candra (INA) & Tony (USA) combination with KKK (Msia) & GL (CHI)......kekeke.....it would be fun though.:D:D:D:D

Sadly, it's not up to him to decide, the decision is between Rexy n Kim Hock to make.... even if he knows that he can do it without really tiring himself to affect his MD performance, to really exel in XD, we have to able to extract a GL's performance from WPT, which i think at this moment is almost impossible to do.Unless we do a candra (INA) & Tony (USA) combination with KKK (Msia) & GL (CHI)......kekeke.....it would be fun though.:D:D:D:D
sorry but i dun reli get wad u mean.... :)

sorry but i dun reli get wad u mean.... :)

wat im trying to say is that even KKK have enough stamina to battle MD and XD, doesnt mean that he can achieve good results in XD as what he has in MD unless WPT can play like GL in XD, which i think is impossible now. And also i'm wondering is it possible to pair up KKK and GL like CW/TG (mixing players from different country).....and it would be funny see that happening.

wat a good idea..
i think the onli way to do tat is let koo & GL become lover...
then they will play together but i think LYB won't be happy for tat...

wat a good idea..
i think the onli way to do tat is let koo & GL become lover...
then they will play together but i think LYB won't be happy for tat...
Lol.... that will be an earthquake news in the badminton scene :D:D:D
And he will definitely break KKK's leg for that....

so shouldn't the tournament organizer give rexy a medal too for his effort in helping them to win?:D:D:D KKK/TBH should get matured enough by end of 2007 and hopefully after that they wont b needing rexy's guide as what they needed him in KO.

it is responsibilities for a coach to guide their players, if not why M'sia hire Rexy for???

By the way, Rexy really is a good coach, he can bring up the performance of the players, here to salute him........

it is responsibilities for a coach to guide their players, if not why M'sia hire Rexy for???

By the way, Rexy really is a good coach, he can bring up the performance of the players, here to salute him........

yeah it's true tat it's da responsibility of the coach to guide them, but wat if rexy left MAS team and went to korea?? aks KKK/TBh to migrate to Korea as well? :D:D:D:D do u tink it would b the same if the job is to b taken by any other MD's coach?? rexy is an exeptional good double coach and KKK/TBH should learn as much from him asap and not too dependable on him in winning all the big matches. without rexy, they even struggle to win against some weaker pair in KO.....which is not their usual act when mr.rexy mainaky is around to kick their arse.:D:D:D:D

Lol.... that will be an earthquake news in the badminton scene :D:D:D
And he will definitely break KKK's leg for that....


no no no....Rexy will break LYB's leg 1st before LYB break KKK's leg......:D:D

KKK/TBH is going to German Open??? do they have enough time to rest before AE??

i dun think koo/tan is going to german open..
as i know,there are juz tan/ong and chan/hoon will go for german open..

KKK/TBH will not be going to German Open. They will be staying in Malaysia in preparation for All England. Both of them just arrive yesterday from Korea.

wat a good idea..
i think the onli way to do tat is let koo & GL become lover...
then they will play together but i think LYB won't be happy for tat...
:rolleyes: :eek: :p Li Yongbo will break his own leg for that!
GL doesn't need KKK...she's doing too well!!:)

KKK/TBH will not be going to German Open. They will be staying in Malaysia in preparation for All England. Both of them just arrive yesterday from Korea.

o ic.ya they need some rest. Ants do u know who is going 4 d austrian n german open?i heard tat MAS is sending young players there.thanks

a rest would b the best for KKK/TBH.....then they should b able to do well again in AE.

Badminton: Rexy: Give mixed doubles a chance

31 Jan 2007
K.M. Boopathy (nstsports@nst.com.my)

MALAYSIA must focus on qualifying for the mixed doubles, if the the bronze medal feats in the World Championships and the Doha Asian Games are anything to go by, for the 2008 Beijing Olympics.

This is the firm belief of national men’s doubles coach Rexy Mainaky who said creating a mixed doubles squad will help the doubles players take the event seriously, and give them an added opportunity to compete in the Olympics.

The national doubles players, despite regularly playing in the mixed doubles events on the grand prix circuit, have always taken the the event lightly and tend to use it as a warm-up to the main events.

Despite that, Koo Kien Keat-Wong Pei Tty secured Malaysia first ever bronze in the World Championships in Madrid last September, while Fairuzizuan Tazari-Pei Tty surprised with a bronze in the Asian Games.

The fact that Malaysia expected to have the allowed two pairs in the men’s and women’s doubles in the Olympics, has prompted Rexy to urge some of his charges to focus on the mixed doubles in order to realise their dreams of playing in the Olympics.

For the Olympics, a country is allowed a maximum of three entries if they have three or more pairs in the top four of the world ranking, and two entries if they have two or more in the top 16.

Malaysia currently have six pairs — Kien Keat-Tan Boon Heong, Tan Bin Shen-Ong Soon Hock, Choong Tan Fook-Lee Wan Wah, Chan Chong Ming-Hoon Thien How, Lin Woon Fui-Fairuzizuan and Gan Teik Chai-Zakry Latif — in the men’s squad.

"I believe that we should have full time mixed doubles players. The plan as not been finalised yet but when it is, we can have more players battling for medals in the Beijing Olympics," said Rexy.

"It is a tough scenario that we may end up having just two pairs in the men’s doubles but the ones who miss out can still qualify for the mixed doubles.

"We have won medals in the World Championships and Asian Games and that proves our players can play well if attention is given to the mixed doubles.

"Gan, Zakry and even Fairuz are proven mixed doubles players and they could get the opportunity to realise their Olympics dream through the event."

Teik Chai’s regular partner is Fong Chew Yen while the versatile Zakry has partnered several players, including top women’s doubles players Pei Tty and Eei Hui.

In fact, Fairuzizuan had partnered Pei Tty for the first time in Doha but has also had decent runs with Ooi Sock Ai in other tournaments.

Rexy said that Kien Keat will not be burdened anymore by playing in the mixed doubles with Pei Tty as the former and Boon Heong are Malaysia’s best hope for gold in the Olympics.

The coach has also identified some of the players from the 2010-2012 Project but they will only be included in selected training sessions.

Among the players under consideration are Tan Wee Kiong, Woon Khe Wei, Ng Hui Lin and Haw Chiou Hwee but their availability will only be decided after discussions with 2010-2012 doubles coach Rosman Razak.

Having a mixed doubles squad could also augur well for Teik Chai and Zakry who are struggling to make an impact as a doubles combination.

A serious approach from the coaches and players could give Malaysia an outside chance of landing another Olympic medal through the mixed doubles next year.


Does this mean KKK won't play XD ??????:rolleyes:

so finally d decision is made by Rexy after so much discussion in BC.
hehe
all d best 2 KKK in md
wonder they will pair pei tty with who
maybe fairuz

wat im trying to say is that even KKK have enough stamina to battle MD and XD, doesnt mean that he can achieve good results in XD as what he has in MD unless WPT can play like GL in XD, which i think is impossible now. And also i'm wondering is it possible to pair up KKK and GL like CW/TG (mixing players from different country).....and it would be funny see that happening.
ah... i understand now haha...
gao ling n kkk??? nah gao ling is mine haha.....

according to rexy he is not goin to pressure kkk in XD anymore... he said that gan, zakry and even fairuz are potentials to fill in the XD and he is also bringing some of the juniors to train wit the seniors.. Mas has 6 pairs in MD and if only 2 or 3 make it to olympics, maybe they are qualified for XD and at least Mas has more medal prospects instead only MS, MD tats all.. haha :D

ah... i understand now haha...
gao ling n kkk??? nah gao ling is mine haha.....

according to rexy he is not goin to pressure kkk in XD anymore... he said that gan, zakry and even fairuz are potentials to fill in the XD and he is also bringing some of the juniors to train wit the seniors.. Mas has 6 pairs in MD and if only 2 or 3 make it to olympics, maybe they are qualified for XD and at least Mas has more medal prospects instead only MS, MD tats all.. haha :D

im so glad to hear that......yes!!! ;););) Rexy u r the man !!!

rexy, was a great player once and now a wise man.....

yeah it's true tat it's da responsibility of the coach to guide them, but wat if rexy left MAS team and went to korea?? aks KKK/TBh to migrate to Korea as well? :D:D:D:D do u tink it would b the same if the job is to b taken by any other MD's coach?? rexy is an exeptional good double coach and KKK/TBH should learn as much from him asap and not too dependable on him in winning all the big matches. without rexy, they even struggle to win against some weaker pair in KO.....which is not their usual act when mr.rexy mainaky is around to kick their arse.:D:D:D:D

Yeah, you are the man.....

just hope that the day where the coach and the player's conflict like LM & LCW doesnt happen in near future between KKK/TBH and rexy, not before olympic 2008. It would be a nightmare then.

LM and LCW got conflict ??

LM and LCW got conflict ??

yeah, thats one of the reason why LM didnt continue his contract with BAM.

yeah, thats one of the reason why LM didnt continue his contract with BAM.

Can elaborate more on it ??

I thought we should be talking about KKK. But not LCW and LM's conflict.

Oops !! Sorry.... then alfa2, can please PM me on that matter ?

Curiosity got the better of me. Forgot that I was in KKK/WPT thread.

Oops !! Sorry.... then alfa2, can please PM me on that matter ?

Curiosity got the better of me. Forgot that I was in KKK/WPT thread.

i think u can find it on "LCW losing it to CHI player again" thread.

hoho...yea ....gao ling played fo' WD n MXD...lol...but,fo da korea open n malaysia open ..she won both ... :confused:

it's part of MAS strategy.. better to concentrate on MD as it has higher chances of winning..