Mixed Doubles - Gao Ling/Zheng Bo vs Kamilla Juhl/Thomas Laybourne

Womens Singles - Zhu Lin vs Xie Xing Fang

Mens Singles - Lin Dan vs Chen Jin

Womens Doubles - Gao Ling/Huang Sui vs Yang Wei/Zhang Jiewen

Mens Doubles - Jae Sung/Yong Dae vs Lee Jae Jin/Hwang Yi Man

My predictions in Bold. Many would disagree with me on Mens Singles. But personally i think Chen Jin can take Lin Dan this time.

Anyway its just my prediction.. hehehe.. enjoy the Finals later today.

ants, I agree with all of your prediction except the MS :o I don't know who will win but I hope/want :rolleyes: Lin Dan to win :D :p

XD : GL / ZB
WS : XXF
MS : LD & CJ (like BJ undecided)
WD : GL / HS
MD : LYD / JSJ

wow ants a different fr usual prediction 4 ms.
mine is:

XD:GL/ZB
WS:XXF
WD:GL/HS
MS:LD
MD:LYD/JSJ

china dominating 3 events
n korea 1 event
come on otr country
jia you mas next time in AE
haha

Chen Jin will grill Lin Dan this time!!!

Prediction:

Mixed Doubles - Gao Ling/Zheng Bo vs Kamilla Juhl/Thomas Laybourne. The hot newcomer in a roll!

Womens Singles - Zhu Lin vs Xie Xing Fang. Zhu Lin maybe can raise up her speed considering XXF play a long match against Lu Lan yesterday.

Mens Singles - Lin Dan vs Chen Jin. LD will fight to the end cause lost twice a row in tournaments maybe weaken his spot as China first MS in LYB eyes.

Womens Doubles - Gao Ling/Huang Sui vs Yang Wei/Zhang Jiewen. Lately GL/HS always win against YW/ZJW.

Mens Doubles - Jung Jae Sung/Yong Dae vs Lee Jae Jin/Hwang Yi Man.

KO 2007 did not been good to Indonesia players. PBSI already send their best teams (minus Taufik.) And the best results are worse than MO 2007, we only had 2 QF.

And PBSI still determined that we can win Sudirman Cup this year.

With what? We did not even had one guaranteed point from MS , MD or XD now. And we already lost 2 points from WS and WD if we met China. (hopefully in final)

Sometimes PBSI officials had enormous big mouths. In this area, PBSI and BAM maybe also related. Both of them loved to targeted very high achievement without looking for the fact, can their players achieve what the officials wants? (Example winner or at least a SF)

Haven't they heard the wisdom proverb Golden Is Silence?

You guys obviously haven't considered the LYB factor. I would say LD and XXF are sure to win unless LYB lets the matches go on fairly. That's not to say they won't win anyway but you know where I'm coming from.

My calls (winners in bold as always)

MS LD -CJ
As well as CJ has played, I think LD wants to prove to everyone his MO outing was a fluke. He's a proud guy and wants to sit on top of the world

WS ZL - XXF
I can see an upset happening here. XXF was pushed to the brink by Lu Lan and may be a little fatigued. Plus she's recovering from the flu. I hope the LYB factor doesn't come into play here

XD Gao Ling/Zheng Bo - Kamilla Juhl/Thomas Laybourne
Can't see it going any other way. That Gao Ling is something else

WD Gao Ling/Huang Sui - Yang Wei/Zhang Jiewen
Make it double for GL. Will LYB allow a fair match to ensue?

MD Jung Jae Sung/Lee Yong Dae - Lee Jae Jin/Hwang Yi Man
Ankle injury? What ankle injury? LYD and JJS will triumph in an entertaining battle of Korea

WD Gao Ling/Huang Sui - Yang Wei/Zhang Jiewen
Make it double for GL. Will LYB allow a fair match to ensue?


What did you mean?

As far as I know, LYB and the national team of China don't like Yang Wei/Zhang Jiewen. The poor pair Yang/Zhang were even asked to retire before Beijing Olympics to let others crowned the gold.

Also as far as I know, the competition between Chinese teammates were more firerceful, because that head to head impacts more for their rankings and opportunities to play international badminton. So, for Yang Wei/Zhang Jiewen it is a must win, otherwise, they would be forced to retire. Gao Ling/Huang Sui will be guaranteed to play Olympics no matter what.

i was so tempted to predict an upset in the WS but i really do like XXF!! ;)

Mixed Doubles - Gao Ling/Zheng Bo vs Kamilla Juhl/Thomas Laybourne.
I hope/want them to win!!!!!!!!!!!!!
then they will be doha asian games Gold Medalist and Malaysia , Korea super series winner!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!(2006-12-9-----2007-1-28)

Mixed Doubles - Gao Ling/Zheng Bo vs Kamilla Rytter-Juhl/Thomas Laybourn

Zheng Bo and Gao Ling are much better a pair than with Zhang Jun, and even better to watch. Zhang is very one dimensional and relies on his big smash. but Zheng Bo has much more control, variations and precision.

Womens Singles - Zhu Lin vs Xie Xing Fang

Zhu Lin is a version of XXF and ZN, but on top of that adds more grace and fluidity.

Mens Singles - Lin Dan vs Chen Jin

Frankly though, i think Chen Jin will have a hard time beating Lin Dan. he is closer to LCW: not powerful enough, not fast enough when compared to Lin Dan. but i think he is a hardworker and have great fighting spirit.

Womens Doubles - Gao Ling/Huang Sui vs Yang Wei/Zhang Jiewen

Mens Doubles - Jae Sung/Yong Dae vs Lee Jae Jin/Hwang Yi Man

Mixed Doubles -

Mens Singles - Lin Dan vs [B]Chen Jin

Frankly though, i think Chen Jin will have a hard time beating Lin Dan. he is closer to LCW: not powerful enough, not fast enough when compared to Lin Dan. but i think he is a hardworker and have great fighting spirit.


reason why i see CJ has better chance than LD to win a gold for china not because CJ is better but he has very good fighting spirit and not the pressure of expecting to win like in the case of LD - not a darkhorse but a white knight for china;)

i think this will b a boring final as in MS it's china against china and MD only the Koreans make it through. No bashing needed for msians team though......all naik kereta already....:p:p

Mens Singles - Lin Dan vs Chen Jin

Since so many people bet on Chen Jin, so it would earn huge money if I bet on Lin Dan to win. That's my suggestion to Sandy's great job of betting game. I don't know how Sandy gives different points for different player in different match. That's the reason I haven't joined in. One very ironical phenomenon is that Sandy is the best one in betting score. If the points were given by himself, then he should not be that high in scores, average 10 points per bet, which means himself doesn't think the distribution of the points are fair.

I don't belittle his job. He's done great job there. But I have just another approach. Don't give different points for betting who's going to win, but let all the game players to decide. For example, if 100 points for a match, there are 10 people bet on A win over B, and only 1 people bet B win over A, then if A wins, that 10 people will get 10 points each. But if B wins, then that one guy will get 100 points, because he's the only guy correct.

So let me back to the prediction here, since most people bet on Chen Jin to win, So I vote for Lin Dan, actually, I didn't see why Lin Dan could fail again. He is just too much for Chen Jin to handle.

Mixed Doubles - Gao Ling/Zheng Bo vs Kamilla Rytter-Juhl/Thomas Laybourn

Zheng Bo and Gao Ling are no doubt the best mixed double now. They are not only the best mixed double, but also the best in all badminton events now to have the biggest chance to win. Lin Dan was the best last year, no body can stopped him for quite a long time, but since the advant of Zheng Bo / Gao Ling, the chaos in mixed double fighting has finally ended.

How come no one here at BC root for Thomas, our Thomas... ?

Go Danmark !

Mixed Doubles
Gao Ling/Zheng Bo vs Kamilla Juhl/Thomas Laybourne
Womens Singles
Zhu Lin vs Xie Xing Fang
Mens Singles
Lin Dan vs Chen Jin
Womens Doubles
Gao Ling/Huang Sui vs Yang Wei/Zhang Jiewen
Mens Doubles
Jae Sung/Yong Dae vs Lee Jae Jin/Hwang Yi Man

:D Gao Ling rocks!

Xd : Gl / Zb
Ws : Zl
Ms : Ld
Wd : Gl / Hs
Md : Lyd / Jsj

MS: Chen Jin
WS: Zhu Lin
XD: Gao Ling/Zheng Bo
MD: Lee Yong Dae/Jung Jae Sung
WD: Gao Ling/Huang Sui

i always have a feeling that when both Korean pairs are in final, one will concede a walkover. Hope, it does not happen today.

i always have a feeling that when both Korean pairs are in final, one will concede a walkover. Hope, it does not happen today.

just for the KO or in general? can you name any precedence?

no live again??cctv5 is showing boxing....

the XD gonna starts in anytime soonn.....i'll go for the Chinese team...hehe...kwun...supporting the danes again?

both team level at 1-1

the danes are leading by a point...6-5

How come no one support danes... ?

Go Danmark ...

any live coverage by other channels????? i mean live streaming.....

y'day kwun supported the danes...i think today will be the same though..hehe

the chinese is leading now... 9-8

at the interval break... the chinese is leading by 3 points ahead...

the chinese is now leading by 13-9

another 5 am wake up call sickgal?
CHN leading 13-10

sickgal... wut channel u watching?
cctv5 showin boxing atm

16-12 now to CHN

should be watching the live score from tournament software
17-13 now to CHN

come on CHN, don't have your lapse now
18-16 CHN

CHN set point 20-17

lost two of them 20-19 CHN

aiya, diece now......

another set point for CHN 21-20......

my brain tells me that Chinese will win. they have been really strong.

and finally takes it 22-20

Zheng/Gao takes first game 22-20

GL/ZB wrapped the 1st game by 22-20...the danes are leading by 3-2 in 2nd game..

that was pretty tight. hopefully we will get some live video soon from CCTV5 or GDTV.

sickgal... wut channel u watching?
cctv5 showin boxing atm

indeed..its from the livescore... haha

quite even in the second. 4-3 CHN

that was pretty tight. hopefully we will get some live video soon from CCTV5 or GDTV.

yesterday while watching the delayed game..I'd heard the commentator said tomorrow they will show badminton games at 18.30... dunno whether I heard it correctly or not...

another 5 am wake up call sickgal?
CHN leading 13-10

too bad...haha..if there's no live streaming...I may just go back to my comfty bed...:D:D

the chinese is leading by 7-4.. jia you jia you

CHN leading 7-4

Gao/Zheng leading 7 -4


quite even in the second. 4-3 CHN

boxing finished... and now cctv-5 is showing some useles soccer!!!! what the hell are they doing?

9-7 now to CHN.......

i'm thinking it will be another 4pm showing of the XD finals...sad, so sad

CHN up 10-8......

and leads 11-8 going into the interval...go CHN!!

the chinese is at 11-8...hehe...gam ba te...

and leads 11-8 going into the interval...go CHN!!

thought you'd be like yesterday....supporting the danes.....hehe

not when the CHNese are involved...
13-9 now to CHN

CHN needs 6 more rallies

the chinese is leading by 6 points ahead...15-9....

i just went to the cctv5 website. i am afraid they are starting at 18.35pm. so CCTV5 is a no go. by 18.35 comes, all the matches will be over.

shanghai sport don't have badminton.

checking GDTV now, will report back.

uh oh, the Danes closed it to 1 14-15

can't even load GDTV on tvants....have to set my bandwidth
AIYA, 15 all...don't sleep now CHN!!

16-15 to DEN.........

my gosh...the danes are leading now....aiks...

what a come back, come on now.

that's pretty much sums it....replay of the finals at 1835....:(
16 all now

noses in front CHN 17-16

GDTV sports is showing basketball. :(

add another point to CHN 18-16.... Come on CHN

don't they know that today is the final? or do they have their time on GMT???
19-17 now CHN

GDTV sports is showing basketball. :(

:eek::(:confused::crying:

i just hope they show the MD finals on stream

very close match...19-18 CHN

match point CHN ..........

Yes Chn Wins It 21-19 Hhooorraaaayyyyyyyy

here we comes..the chinese XD won it again...many congrats...

:eek::(:confused::crying:

i just hope they show the MD finals on stream

nope. just looked at GDTV sports' schedule. no badminton broadcast at all for the whole day.

very close match....would have been better if it was shown live

off topic...alright..since there's no live streaming... i'll go back to my bed..hehe..will check the score once im awake.. enjoy postings guys...may LD n XXF win the respective title..cross my fingers..:)

haha cctv5 is women's football now, china vs german, seems interesting..

you're kidding right sickgal? it's the finals!!

z3048018, is it shown on any channels in HK?

Zhu Lin vs. Xie Xingfang coming up next...

i wish it was....unfortunately, no
if i had cable tv, then yes, it should be showing

XXF to serve to ZL, love-all, play.

any channel hv live show???????

just chcked, no badminton showing...only dreadful soccer

i jz can watch scoreboard frm internet~~
poor......
Yong Dae n Jae Sung, Aza-aza fighting!!

Go ZL go!:)

Prediction: ZL : XXF 2:0

1-0 Zhu Lin drew first blood.
2-1 ZL.

XXF up 4-3...
be back after an hour....CSI Miami is on!!

hey kwun your watching from the live scoreboard, not the actual tvants stream right?

someone kwun my tvants is not working, i keep only saying "Sorry. The TVANTS on your machine has expired. Lease download new version of this software from our website.

and when i go the website i download the same thing??:confused::confused::crying::crying:


can you or anyone help me pls? :(:(:crying:

SmashHappy, it is no use even if tvants works. no channels are showing badminton.

8-8. tight game.
9-8 XXF.

13-8 now to XXF....

SmashHappy, it is no use even if tvants works. no channels are showing badminton.


ohhh ok thanks kwun i understand now :cool::p
sorry to bother you :D:o

14-8. XXF is unstoppable!

it seems none of the webcast channels are broadcasting badminton:(

Come on Zhu Lin

Losing so much already 10-17

how do you know? which one?

it seems none of the webcast channels are broadcasting badminton:(

yeah 14-18 go Zhu Lin!

18-14 now to XXF...

ZL is mounting a comeback. 14-18. but is it too little too late? 18 is a crucial point.

xxf took the 1st set 21-14

too little and too late.

XXF took first game, 21-14.

maybe some of us (me included) have too high hopes on ZL. there are still two more sets...

Come on Zhu Lin! XXF is going to be tired now.

yes, first set to XXF.... now take the second!!

9-2 for xxf, look like xxf is running away with it, too much experience

ZL might be tired from two tournaments - xxf only attended one. My excuse for her LOL

ZL XXF 2:10

11-2 now, what happen to zhu lu?

i wish it was....unfortunately, no
if i had cable tv, then yes, it should be showing

i wish so...but no badminton live streaming on hk cable tv:crying: :crying:

only can wait for the replay of cctv at 18:30

The Koreans that won KKK/TBH at KO is the same pair that defeated them in Asian Games Team Event when msia vs korea in the semi? or it's different pair?

16-5 to XXF!!!
wot happened to ZhuLin?? though i support XXF, i still want to watch a tight match~~~

20-5 already~~

ready for MS final LD vs CJ now~~~

is the same pair...
they

21-7! Congrats XXF!!!

MS coming up next...Go LD!! :)

so the only pair KKK/TBH lost to is candra/tony and LJJ/HJM only?

Lin Dan~~~~ go for it!!!!!

can say so.... but they hvnt get the chance to meet the other korean pair tat is Lee Yong Dae n Jung Jae Sung....

Wow... I was quite surprised how easy XXF defeated Zhu Lin. Zhu Lin disposed of all the opponents she met so far quite easily. XXF and ZN seriously alone at the top now.

CJ 3-1 LD ;Quick rocket start

Chen Jin fires off with 4-1 lead

Have KKK/TBH ever win against LJJ/HJM? i remember they won a match against a Korean pair in the individual event in Asiad....

CJ 4-3 LD ;my livescore stuck at 4-3 for a while now. Any updates ?

but LD claws back to lead 7-5...GO LD

7-6 now LD.......

Have KKK/TBH ever win against LJJ/HJM? i remember they won a match against a Korean pair in the individual event in Asiad....
You answered your own question !!

LD pulls away slightly by 2 8-6

LD 8-7 CJ; 4 smash winners and 3 net winners for LD

9-7 to LD..........

LD 9-7 CJ ;another smash winner

Ethan, you are watching live?

where are you getting the scores from?

LD 9-7 CJ ;another smash winner
LD 10-8 CJ

10-8 now to LD.....

10 all now....what a close match...

Ethan, you are watching live?
Nope, I am looking at the stats

10-10 now... tightest of interval soon

CJ goes into the interval 11-10

some part in me wants CJ to win......i guess it's getting bored as MS gets dominated by LD n TH only.....someone else should get into their league since LCW left it starting from a few months ago.

wonder if any pre-match instructions were made?
CJ 12-11

where are you getting the scores from?
Just open the visual livescore

http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/livescore.aspx?id=13214

CJ 12-10 LD...

13 all..seesaw match this

14-13 now to LD

LD 14-13 CJ ;leading after a smash and a net winner

LD 15-13 CJ ; another smash winner
LD 15-14 CJ

Ld 16 - 14 CJ !!

LD 17-14 CJ ; crucial period now

wow, away for a few minutes and LD up 18-14

LD step on the pedal a bit more :D 19-14

21-14 for ld

is CJ taller than LD?

LD 19 - 14 CJ !! LD almost sure to win this one

He wins with a smash! LD 21 - 14 CJ

LD 21 - 14 CJ... end of story
LD CJ
smash winners 10 5
net winners 6 2
clear winners 1 1
others 4 6

CJ 1-0 LD ;net winner

it's LD's to lose now, I don't expect CJ to beat LD in three games.

LD 3-2 CJ ;leading by a game and a point.

LD 4-2 CJ ;
LD 5-2 CJ ;net winner

LD 8-3 now.......

LD 6-2 CJ ;another net winner

LD 8-3 CJ; cruising to his first Super Series title

11-5 for LD. Match seems to be his now

LD running away with the title now 14-8

LD 14 -8 CJ Net winner. neither of these two are winning much on smashes are they?

LD 14-9 CJ. Can CJ do what BCL did in China Open ??

Ld 16 - 10 CJ ahhhh he's widening the gap!

can CJ make a comeback and force a decider?
16-11 to LD

another 3 more points for LD 18-12

LD 19-12 CJ !! Practically over..

LD 18-12 CJ ;game over....

19-14 to LD...not giving up is he

CJ edge closer to 16--19

20-15 for LD, it's close to done deal

king LD and queen XXF for KO

LD 19-15 CJ ; 3 points cut, fight for pride perhaps...

oohhhh, comeback by CJ 16-19

Omg Ld 19-16 Cj.....

match point now to LD...how much does he need?

20-16 ; 4 match points for LD

CJ 17-20 saves one mp

saves 2 now...exciting

20-17 ; one saved

3 now....MO is haunting LD

Lin can't close it yet. 20-19

finally 21-19 to LD and match

DAng he won T_T darn Lin Dan
I wanted 3 matches

21-19 for LD

give credit to CJ for his great fighting spirit

LD 21 - 19 CJ LD got wayy to relaxed at the end and let CJ get to within deuce

had a bad feeling that this was one of LYB orchestration
Congrats to LD!!! :D

Awww no CJ lost :(. I so wanted him to win KO :'(.

Go GL/HS....let me be 4 from 4

had a bad feeling that this was one of LYB orchestration
Congrats to LD!!! :D
what for? it's an all china MS final
LYB prolly licking a popsicle while watching the match for all he cares:D

Well Chen Jin seems to be getting there. And he also seems to be growing, I also think Lin Dan is doing that too, so it makes it all the more interesting

predicting winners cooler :D ;)

I guess that's the end of the show for me... See you guys !!

Well that's pretty disappointing I really wanted to watch it live :(. I may as well just wait for the scores on the website if I can't see the matches anyway.

just for the KO or in general? can you name any precedence?

i remember there was a tourney where LYD/JJS and HJM/LJJ qualified in the finals and in the end HJM/LJJ conceded a walkover and LYD/JJS crowned the champion. I think it was in 2006. I could not remember which tourney though.

yeah, same as all the people here...it's pretty disappointing

maybe the korean took some physical toll on gaoling and huang sui

so quiet here.

YW/ZJW takes first game, 21-12.
GL/HS leading second game, 11-4

GL/HS took 2nd game, 21-14
leading 3rd game, 14-10.

Gao Ling / Huang Sui beat Yang Wei / Zhang Jiewen. 12-21 / 21-14 / 21-16

gao ling and huang sui won, now prize ceremony....

the koreans are warming up now, sorry, i was wrong, there are playing....:o

Gosh... Where are all the people ? Imagine if KKK/TBH is playing.....

Yes Chn Wins It 21-19 Hhooorraaaayyyyyyyy

Yes! Gao Ling is a machine! :D

Gosh... Where are all the people ? Imagine if KKK/TBH is playing.....

it shows this forum does not represents the badminton population :)

as you can see, its only when indo/malay wins, this forum will have lots of input

sad ;)

i guess a lot have to do with the all china affairs and MD also all korean affair, only XD finalist comprise of different nations

11-8 to Lee Yong Dae/ Jung Jae Sung

i guess a lot have to do with the all china affairs and MD also all korean affair, only XD finalist comprise of different nations

that is probably the true reason.

badminton although in the surface is an individual sport, in reality is really a national sport, fans tend to careless when it ends up an internal affair.

12-10 now to LYD/JJS

JJS/LYD pulling away 16-11...

20-15 game point for JJS/LYD

There goes the first game 21-16 to the top korean pair

Oh !! I remember now !! Roger Federer vs Fernando Gonzalez.... That's where the people has gone to...

5-4 still JJS/LYD leading

Comparing tennis and badminton...

Check this out

http://www.australianopen.com/en_AU/pointtracker/pt.html?match=1701&lang=en_AU&ver=undefined&ref=/en_AU/scores/index.html&syn=none&debug=false&ts=1169975708140

Meanwhile the second game, JJS/LYD 11-8

11-9 now, it seems that all LJJ and HJM scored 9 points from others which is i think errors by JJS/LYD

the tennis livescores are so much slower than badminton

14-11 for JJS/LYD it's theirs to lose now !!

16-13 now... did you get the flash thing ?? i mean for the tennis one, they actually simulated how the point was played !!

Hooray :D :p Golden Couple again :rolleyes: China took 4 golds and is always the MD missing :crying: :( Aiya :D

18-13 for JJS/LYD !!

18-14 now... so, next time, take less, so that the MD loss is not significant !! :p

haha
so quiet coz most mas supporters x watching d match 2day which basically just involve china, korea n denmark.hehe
wow Gao ling is a superwomen.win xd n wd again like in MO

so JJS/LYD beaten HJM/LJJ 21-16,21-15...

Congrats JJS/LYD :D :p Still wonder why FHF/CY lost, every time :confused: :D LOL :p

Congrats JJS/LYD :D :p Still wonder why FHF/CY lost, every time :confused: :D LOL :p

Because they are not legendary...yet. :p

Can't wait till Thursday for the new ranking list that incorporates KO results. Therefore, I did a rough calculation to come out with a rough ranking list for MS & MD,

* MS *

1(-) LD
2(-) BCL
3(-) CH
4(+1) LCW (CH & LCW's ranking points are very close, so I won't be surprised if LCW is No.3 instead.)
5(-1) PG
6(-) CJ
7(+1) CY
8(-1) KJ
9(-) Hafiz
10(-) Boonsak
11(-) LHI
12(+1) Palyama
13(-1) Taufik
14(-) Smith
15(+3) Roslin
16(+3) Tsuen Seng
17(-2) Sairul
18(-1) Eric Pang
19(+1) Wacha
20(-4) Persson

Other prominent players:
21(-) Sung Hwan
22(+2) Ng Wei
30(-4) Susilo
33(+3) Kuncoro
34(+1) KBH


* MD *

1(-) Cai/Fu
2(-) Eriksen/Hansen
3(-) Kido/Setiawan
4(+1) JJS/LYD
5(+2) CTF/LLW
6(-2) Clark/Blair
7(+1) Candra/Tony
8(-2) Alven/Hadiyanto
9(-) Sukmawan/Hian
10(-) Hoon/Tan
11(-) Gan/Abdul Latif
12(-) Mohd Tazari/Lin

Other prominent pairs,
20(-1) LP/JR
21(+9) LJJ/HJM
23(+1) Sudket/Patapol
27(+2) TBS/OSH
31(-) Guo/Xie
32(-) CCM/KKK
36(+14) KKK/TBH

Now that the finals are over, congrats to all winners(Gao Ling is amazing!!!:D). We can make an educated guess that the outcome of the MS final was not affected by LYB at all.

If LYB was involved, he would probably prefer CJ to win, so he can get into the top 4 spot in world ranking to create a situation where Chinese players will get the best seedings, and will only meet each other until semi-finals.. except Chen Yu being the one left behind.

Now, LD won the match and Chen Jin's ranking point is not enough to get in front of LCW and PG, and he along with Chen Yu may possibly have to meet one of LD, BCL, or CH in matches before the semi-finals.

i remember there was a tourney where LYD/JJS and HJM/LJJ qualified in the finals and in the end HJM/LJJ conceded a walkover and LYD/JJS crowned the champion. I think it was in 2006. I could not remember which tourney though.
:) It was during Thai Open 2006.
and recently during Mas Open...LYD injured.

Boring finals... zzz.. zzz... zzz...
Anyways, congratulations to all... zzz... zzz... zzz...

Now, LD won the match and Chen Jin's ranking point is not enough to get in front of LCW and PG, and he along with Chen Yu may possibly have to meet one of LD, BCL, or CH in matches before the semi-finals.

I think the ranking ater korea open should be:

Lin Dan, Chen Jin, Chen Hong, Peter Gade, Bao Chunlai.

If China wanted the top 4 position, Lin Dan would have lost to Bao CHunlai.

I think the ranking ater korea open should be:

Lin Dan, Chen Jin, Chen Hong, Peter Gade, Bao Chunlai.

If China wanted the top 4 position, Lin Dan would have lost to Bao CHunlai.

I didn't work out the rough ranking by "I think", but based on the ranking points. Before KO, the gap between the ranking points of the 5th ranked LCW and the 6th ranked CJ was about 4,500. At KO, LCW earns 5,040 for his quarterfinal appearance while CJ earns the runner-up points of 7,800 (i.e., only 2,840 points' difference between the runner-up and and the quarterfinalist). Therefore, unless the "depreciation" of both players' points earned months ago influences a lot, CJ couldn't overtake LCW, not to mention the 2nd ranked BCL with a large gap of 8,000 points before KO.

I didn't work out the rough ranking by "I think", but based on the ranking points. Before KO, the gap between the ranking points of the 5th ranked LCW and the 6th ranked CJ was about 4,500. At KO, LCW earns 5,040 for his quarterfinal appearance while CJ earns the runner-up points of 7,800 (i.e., only 2,840 points' difference between the runner-up and and the quarterfinalist). Therefore, unless the "depreciation" of both players' points earned months ago influences a lot, CJ couldn't overtake LCW, not to mention the 2nd ranked BCL with a large gap of 8,000 points before KO.

Last edited by Inky2000 : Today at 05:16 PM.


So your calculation (after multiple editions) concludes that CJ's ranking still behind BCL and LCW. According to your final edition of calculation, your order is:

BCL > LCW > CJ (your calculation)

Actually, your ranking for after KO is the same as the current ranking, so you don't think the Korea open will change the order of those 3 players.

Anyhow, I am still sticking to my original thinking (which I missed LCW), which is just opposite:

CJ > LCW > BCL (my thinking)

which means the KO turn their ranking just up side down.

Let's see who's right after the final ranking release. okay?

Hooray :D :p Golden Couple again :rolleyes: China took 4 golds and is always the MD missing :crying: :( Aiya :D
..i'll say almost impossible to win all 5 events in any tourney(s);) ..Hmm, i wonder, when was the last time that particular feat(1 country sweeping all 5 events in a tourney) had been achieved??..Or has it been done before??..Anyone in BC knows??..:confused: :rolleyes: :p ;)

So your calculation (after multiple editions) concludes that CJ's ranking still behind BCL and LCW. According to your final edition of calculation, your order is:

BCL > LCW > CJ (your calculation)

Actually, your ranking for after KO is the same as the current ranking, so you don't think the Korea open will change the order of those 3 players.

Anyhow, I am still sticking to my original thinking (which I missed LCW), which is just opposite:

CJ > LCW > BCL (my thinking)

which means the KO turn their ranking just up side down.

Let's see who's right after the final ranking release. okay?

Here's how I did my rough calculation for the three players' ranking points:

Before KO:

BCL - 59860
LCW - 56096
CJ - 51573

After KO:

BCL: 59860 + 6420 (points earned by a SS semifinal appearance) - "depreciation" of earlier rankings earned = around 65000
LCW: 56096 + 5040 (SS quarterfinalist) - "depreciation" = around 61000
CJ: 51573 + 7800 (SS runner-up) - "depreciation" = around 59000

Therefore, unless the "depreciation" component (my assumption is that the "depreciation" for each player is less than 1000 points) makes a big difference, CJ could only come close to LCW and is no way he could overtake BCL. There's a big gap in pre-KO ranking points between BCL and CJ to start with.

..i'll say almost impossible to win all 5 events in any tourney(s);) ..Hmm, i wonder, when was the last time that particular feat(1 country sweeping all 5 events in a tourney) had been achieved??..Or has it been done before??..Anyone in BC knows??..:confused: :rolleyes: :p ;)
I think in 1989, the chinese won all 5 world championships. beating the indonesian record of winning 4 out of the 5 world championships sometime before that

Okay, now I do a more precise calculation of BCL, LCW and CJ's WR points by following the booklet,

http://badmintoninternational.net/newseditor/data/new_ranking_booklet.pdf

The ranking points awarded in events have already been revised but I assume that the calculation principle remains the same.

*** BCL ***
Top-10 in the past 52 weeks:
Korea SS '07 (SF) 6420
Malaysia SS '07 (RU) 7800
China Open '06 (RU) 7650
WC '06 (RU) 8500
KO '06 (winner) 9000
Thailand Open '06 (QF) 3300
Macau Open '06 (QF) 3850
S'pore Open '06 (SF) 5600
Ina Open '06 (RU) 7650
Thomas Cup '06 5709
Total: 65479

*** LCW ***
Korea SS '07 (QF) 5040
M'sia SS '07 (QF) 5040
JO '06 (SF) 5600
WC '06 (QF) 5500
HKO '06 (RU) 7650
Macau O '06 (RU) 5950
Taipei O '06 (RU) 6800
Ina Open' 06 (1\16) 3600
TC '06 6705
ABC '06 (winner) 7000
Total: 58885

*** CJ ***
Korea SS '07 (RU) 7800
M'sia SS '07 (QF) 5040
CO '06 (SF) 6300
WC '06 (QF) 5500
HK O '06 (SF) 6300
Thailand O '06 (RU) 5100
Taipei O' 06 (SF) 5600
TC '06 4882
China Masters (winner) 9000
Total: 55522


So, it's still BCL > LCW > CJ. Amazingly, the WR point gap between BCL and CJ will actually widen due to the "Top-10 in the last 52 weeks" rule.

Prior to Korea SS'07, the lowest points earned by BCL among the Top-10 point-earning events that he has participated was JO'06 (800 points only due to his 2nd-round defeat). With his SF appearance in Korea SS which has earned himself 6420 points, the JO'06 points are striken out from the Top-10. That means he gains 6420 - 800 = 5620 points.

On the other hand, with his RU appearance in Korea SS which has earned himself 7800 points, the previously lowest point-earning event (Macau Open - 3850) is striken out from CJ's top-10. That means he gains 7800 - 3850 = 3950 points.

Given that BCL is ALREADY 8287 points ahead of CJ (59860 vs. 51573) prior to the Korea SS, the new WR point gap between the two players is 8287+5620-3950 = 9957. It seems that CJ needs to work harder to catch up with BCL, e.g., CJ advances to at least QF in the next two SS events while BCL skips both events.

..i'll say almost impossible to win all 5 events in any tourney(s);) ..Hmm, i wonder, when was the last time that particular feat(1 country sweeping all 5 events in a tourney) had been achieved??..Or has it been done before??..Anyone in BC knows??..:confused: :rolleyes: :p ;)

In 1987, when 5thWorld Champ was held in Beijing, CHN made clean sweep through :
MS -- Yang Yang
WS -- Han Aiping
MD -- LYB/Tian Bing Yi
WD -- Guan Weizhen/Lin Ying
XD -- Wang Pengren/Shi Fangjing

Two years later in Jakarta/1989 CHN got 4 titles from world-meet :
MS -- Yang Yang ; WS -- Li Lingwei ; MD -- LYB/TBY ; WD -- GWZ/LY.
XD grabbed by KOR's pair Park Joo Bong / Chung Myung Hee.

*From KOR SS Final:
- CHN is very dominance in 3 divisions but very weak in MD (as usual)
- Special credit to KOR's MD, beat two formidable pairs :KKK/TBH and T/C
- LD's victory isn't enough meaningful because he didn't KO any big names here (except his strong escorts BCL & CJ). Madrid story happened again!
If LD won last week in KL, exactly his triumphant was so much better and superb. After he defeated TH-KJ-PG and BCL in final. WoW all of them are elite shuttlers...
- This final in Seoul yesterday was BORING compare than in KL. It's not quite good to make bdm more globally. Seems so many empty seats in that olympic-class stadium.
Congratz for the Chinese and Korean!

..i'll say almost impossible to win all 5 events in any tourney(s);) ..has it been done before??..Anyone in BC knows??..:confused: :rolleyes: :p ;)

Actually, you would be quite surprised :eek: if you knew the results. Not only once, actually many times, China badminton players have swept all titles in many high star tournaments and even world championships.

I don't have all the records, but just for the 6 star China open, China have swept all titles in the year 1987 at Nanjing, same year, swept all champions at World championships in Beijing; then in 1995, 6 star China open, China swept all titles again in Chengdu; then in 2001, they did again and again, swept all titles in Ningbo.

I don't remember other tournaments, I'm sure they must have completed the similar feats elsewhere. Such as world cup, and China masters give them the home court advantages also.

Okay, now I do a more precise calculation of BCL, LCW and CJ's WR points by following the booklet,
.

Your detail works really surprised me. Thanks first for your hardwork, but unfortunately, they are not correct ;) (many different errors). Even I haven't calculated yet, I'm pretty sure the new ranking after Korea open is in the order of:

CJ > LCW > BCL

Please check the ibf web site when it's available, I'll also check it and let you know. :D

Your detail works really surprised me. Thanks first for your hardwork, but unfortunately, they are not correct ;) (many different errors). Even I haven't calculated yet, I'm pretty sure the new ranking after Korea open is in the order of:

CJ > LCW > BCL

Please check the ibf web site when it's available, I'll also check it and let you know. :D

I don't see what's wrong with my way of calculation, as I've followed exactly the world ranking guidebook. I followed the same way to calcuate the pre-KO WR points of the players and they tally with the WR points announced on BWF website (BCL - 59860; LCW - 56096; CJ - 51573). It's also hard to believe with a wide margin between BCL and CJ in the pre-KO ranking points, how could CJ catch up with BCL right after KO with the former being the runner-up while the latter a semi-finalist (as the difference of the points earned between both players at the event is only 1380).

Are you actually referring to the Super Series ranking system? It's different from the World Ranking system.

..angelou, CLELY & 2cents, thanks for refreshing and pointing those facts again;) ..So, indeed, it's possible:cool: ..But looking at those facts, they also don't occur as often...
*Yah, i stopped following the world of badminton since around 1985 and started to pick up the sport again around 2002..So, understandably, i was totally lost with the history..hehe:p :( :D ;)

I don't see what's wrong with my way of calculation, as I've followed exactly the world ranking guidebook. I followed the same way to calcuate the pre-KO WR points of the players and they tally with the WR points announced on BWF website (BCL - 59860; LCW - 56096; CJ - 51573). It's also hard to believe with a wide margin between BCL and CJ in the pre-KO ranking points, how could CJ catch up with BCL right after KO with the former being the runner-up while the latter a semi-finalist (as the difference of the points earned between both players at the event is only 1380).

Are you actually referring to the Super Series ranking system? It's different from the World Ranking system.

You must strike out the points for Korea Open 2006 when you include the points for Korea Open 2007. So, Bao's 2006 win does not count.

The booklet is outdated.

You must strike out the points for Korea Open 2006 when you include the points for Korea Open 2007. So, Bao's 2006 win does not count.

The booklet is outdated.

Okay! Is there any other new rule that I'm not aware of? Anyway, I found another error - I only counted the top-9 events of CJ. With the above-stated rule plus the Macau Open points that I mistakenly stroke off earlier, CJ will indeed be ranked ahead of BCL.

Still, may I request you to show me any webpage on the latest badminton world ranking system to prove your claim? I personally think that such a new rule doesn't make sense even if it does exist.

Okay! Is there any other new rule that I'm not aware of? Anyway, I found another error - I only counted the top-9 events of CJ. With the above-stated rule plus the Macau Open points that I mistakenly stroke off earlier, CJ will indeed be ranked ahead of BCL.

Still, may I request you to show me any webpage on the latest badminton world ranking system to prove your claim? I personally think that such a new rule doesn't make sense even if it does exist.

You are right this time :D , IBF is always ridiculous. :mad: I have criticized them for many years, but first, I got to fully understand them.

Do you agree the order after KO: CJ > LCW > BCL now? Then I don't bother to check it up next Thursday.

Okay! Is there any other new rule that I'm not aware of? Anyway, I found another error - I only counted the top-9 events of CJ. With the above-stated rule plus the Macau Open points that I mistakenly stroke off earlier, CJ will indeed be ranked ahead of BCL.

Still, may I request you to show me any webpage on the latest badminton world ranking system to prove your claim? I personally think that such a new rule doesn't make sense even if it does exist.

The website cannot be totally relied on, but that rule was enforced some time last year. Can't seem to find the publication anyway.

Anyway, there is some sense to the rule, but not enough to justify it, I think.

Congratulations to all the winners. Looks like its quite evenly distributed so far. Well done. The new ranking system seems to be working.:D
rgds

Poor Chen Jin.. should rest more before the final.. :eek: He was online until 2-3 am Korea time..

Jia You Chen Jin!!! I believe you can beat Lin Dan next time you two meet!!!

Poor Chen Jin.. should rest more before the final.. :eek: He was online until 2-3 am Korea time..

Jia You Chen Jin!!! I believe you can beat Lin Dan next time you two meet!!!

And who's fault was that, Yan-Yan? ;) ...:p ...:D :D :D