It been 4 years since the last title came in from Birmingham to Malaysia. And it was through Muhd. Hafiz Hashim. Some who people never really paid attention to and made his impact by defeating then World No. 1 Chen Hong of China. And can Koo Kien Keat and Tan Boon Heong finally end Malaysia's wait for another doubles title after the Sidek bros? Comments please.

No, to the title question, and no, to the question in the body.

-dave

yes, if KKK is to avoid playing XD......they are young, they have the speed and skills, and they will be needing rexy too.....some bashing from rexy and supporters from BC are crucial in helping them to grab AE MD gold.:D:D:D

and i doubt that LCW could even make it to the quarter final if he is to meet player from China (ranking higher than him) before that, as you can see from the last 2 SS draw is quite interesting.....bash LCW, bash Li Mao, bash Kim Hock and bash-bash bang-bang doi-doi-doi everyone at BAM for LCW's crappy performance lately....:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

TJL, based on my thorough research, it is undoubtedly that we have to join forces in our MAGIK bashing portion for it to work.....so i guess ill be having a bashing date with u at AE then huh? :p:p:p


bash LCW, bash HH, bash KBH, bash LWW/CTF, bash LTS, bash Fairuz/LWF, bash everyone, bash.... bash......bash-bash bang-bang doi-doi-doi......Oh sh*t, im so tired but i can't seem to quit !!! :D:D:D:D:D

This year, I would say the chances are slim. Malaysia's current great MD hope, KKK & TBH have done very well so far and I'm sure they'll be a pair to be feared in the future. As more teams play the MAS duo, they'll start to figure out how to outwit and beat them. How they respond will depend on their maturity and also Rexy's guidance. If they are able to face adversity and learn from it, then future All-Englands will be within their reach. I'd be surprised if they pulled it off this year.

MAS is banking on LCW as usual to carry the MS load. Based on current form, landing the championship is highly unlikely. But then, who'd have thought Hafiz would have taken the title in Birmingham.

MAS is banking on LCW as usual to carry the MS load. Based on current form, landing the championship is highly unlikely.

we should transfer our MS hopes from LCW to KBH :eek::eek::eek:

we should transfer our MS hopes from LCW to KBH :eek::eek::eek:

U're kidding right??! :p

U're kidding right??! :p
dun worry i think he is haha....
but imagine KBH really beat all the top players e.g. LD, LCW< CH, BCL, CJ, PGC, KJ en route winning the MS title...
i'll really kill myself haha.., :D

U're kidding right??! :p

sorrryyyy, correction LCW to FKK.....:D:D:D:D:D:D

can't expect much from KKK/TBH cuz Rexy wants to send them to smaller tournaments to earn ranking points... same thing might happen just like KO this year... Fatigue... big issue i suppose...

sorrryyyy, correction LCW to FKK.....:D:D:D:D:D:D
FKK as in Foo Kok Keong????

FKK as in Foo Kok Keong????

hahahaha.....at least he's not as consistent as KBH in giving us the great disappointment all the time. :D:D:D:D does FKK stil keep his carbonex 8?

This year, I would say the chances are slim. Malaysia's current great MD hope, KKK & TBH have done very well so far and I'm sure they'll be a pair to be feared in the future. As more teams play the MAS duo, they'll start to figure out how to outwit and beat them. How they respond will depend on their maturity and also Rexy's guidance. If they are able to face adversity and learn from it, then future All-Englands will be within their reach. I'd be surprised if they pulled it off this year.

MAS is banking on LCW as usual to carry the MS load. Based on current form, landing the championship is highly unlikely. But then, who'd have thought Hafiz would have taken the title in Birmingham.
LCW?? probably won't go far with this form....
perhaps reaching QF would be lucky enough for him...
and yes MSian really bankin on MD now...
i think Msian has one of the strongest MD besides from Korea and Tony/Candra...

hahahaha.....at least he's not as consistent as KBH in giving us the great disappointment all the time. :D:D:D:D does FKK stil keep his carbonex 8?
eh brother...
aku rasa ah keong sudah lama balik kampung lar... haha

No, to the title question, and no, to the question in the body.

-dave
wad made u so sure my friend???

wad made u so sure my friend???

my guess is that he is LYB....:D:D:D:D:D:D LYB: "malaysia ah....boh koh neng lah...." and i think FKK might have gone mai ham ngap dan already.....

my guess is that he is LYB....:D:D:D:D:D:D LYB: "malaysia ah....boh koh neng lah...." and i think FKK might have gone mai ham ngap dan already.....
man ur damn funny haha

man ur damn funny haha

what to do besides being funny? no match until march.....meaning no bashing moments for us....haihhh.:(:(:( im kind of getting addicted to it already. havent u TJL? :p:p:p wouldn't it be nice to get ang pow (not giving ang pow though for those who married dy:D:D:D:D) while bashing our MAS players to victory during CNY?

ermm...
let's give a analyse..
men singles - if mas can win this event of AE,the 1 maybe is former champ hafiz! dunno u all realize o not,hafiz is better than last year and peaking,the problem is juz his unforce error!!!so damn much...

women singles- i think the most mas can get is a quarter or semis without facing china player,the 1 to send us should be the MO runner-up...

men doubles - this should be the most possible event to get title, maybe koo/tan can giv themself a good rest and get some special skill by rexy, then it should be their biggest achievement...

women doubles - i think the hopeless event is this,dun even know can get pass 1st round o not...

mixed doubles - there might be some surprise for mas but still not enough to grab the title...

so i think malaysian will win the all england...

how about rexy team up with kim hock to kick TG/CW arse to win 2007 AE? it would be the best come back ever in the history of badminton.....let me practice the initial 1st, RM/YKH (INA/MAS).....wakkkwkakakwkaka:D:D

how about rexy team up with kim hock to kick TG/CW arse to win 2007 AE? it would be the best come back ever in the history of badminton.....let me practice the initial 1st, RM/YKH (INA/MAS).....wakkkwkakakwkaka:D:D
and then ask misbun sidek to coach and guide them during the toilet break.....:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek: :eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek: :eek: I dont know whether it would be the worst scenario of coach-players can have in the toilet break session, but i damn sure would b the funniest one to see !!! kuakuakuakuakua :D:D:D:D


During the toilet break session, Misbun:" Errrrrrmmmmm, let me think wat to think 1st, I'll fax to both of u later k....."

ermm...
let's give a analyse..
men singles - if mas can win this event of AE,the 1 maybe is former champ hafiz! dunno u all realize o not,hafiz is better than last year and peaking,the problem is juz his unforce error!!!so damn much...

women singles- i think the most mas can get is a quarter or semis without facing china player,the 1 to send us should be the MO runner-up...

men doubles - this should be the most possible event to get title, maybe koo/tan can giv themself a good rest and get some special skill by rexy, then it should be their biggest achievement...

women doubles - i think the hopeless event is this,dun even know can get pass 1st round o not...

mixed doubles - there might be some surprise for mas but still not enough to grab the title...

so i think malaysian will win the all england...
i see... good analysis....

women's doubles? i think probably we might stand a little chance so far haha..

apparently, Soon Kit's request for women to spar with mens finally approved and it just started.

http://www.thestar.com.my/sports/story.asp?file=/2007/1/30/sports/16716798&sec=sports

if they can really improve themselves through this training... maybe a semi final spot for them? winnin the AE seems quite impossible but reaching at least semi or even finals is achieveable for them i suppose...

hafiz to win??? maybe... yes. i think he has improved.... but still not enough.. as he is still very unconsistent.. as for Chong Wei, i have no idea cuz he has been very unconsistent... Losing to BCl and CJ in quarters in Msia and Kor..
He needs to buck up to win....

MD is the biggest chance i can see so far.... Koo/Tan is Mas's biggest hope...
CTF/LWW has shown a little improvement in KO las week but MF/LWF still shaky.. They have been showing poor performances since AG '06...

Conclusion, chances are clear in MS and MD only.. Womens events as usual looks bleak to me..

However, just wait and see the draw. Thats the most important thing of all and just hope that Mas wont meet Mas as early as R32 and R16 to ensure chances in Quarters and Semi.

what to do besides being funny? no match until march.....meaning no bashing moments for us....haihhh.:(:(:( im kind of getting addicted to it already. havent u TJL? :p:p:p wouldn't it be nice to get ang pow (not giving ang pow though for those who married dy:D:D:D:D) while bashing our MAS players to victory during CNY?
who say??? hahaha bin shen-soon hock and kien keat-boon heong will be competiting in Yonex German Open Gold Grand Prix. Which is a week before AE and end of February.
SO WHO SAY FEB NO MATCHES?? HAHA :D :D

who say??? hahaha bin shen-soon hock and kien keat-boon heong will be competiting in Yonex German Open Gold Grand Prix. Which is a week before AE and end of February.
SO WHO SAY FEB NO MATCHES?? HAHA :D :D

well, does it shows some livescore then as usual?

who say??? hahaha bin shen-soon hock and kien keat-boon heong will be competiting in Yonex German Open Gold Grand Prix. Which is a week before AE and end of February.
SO WHO SAY FEB NO MATCHES?? HAHA :D :D

where's the thread for German Open anyway? I mean i got to bash KKK/TBH . You know, not letting them slide away from victory again this time....REXY REXY !!!! pls keep their yoyo !!! :D:D:D

where's the thread for German Open anyway? I mean i got to bash KKK/TBH . You know, not letting them slide away from victory again this time....REXY REXY !!!! pls keep their yoyo !!! :D:D:D
i dun think there are any threads on those tournaments cuz its only gold grand prix and international series i think... the one i saw in the forum only has super series events.. i think koo/tan will not have any prob winning those tournaments...

well, does it shows some livescore then as usual?
live score?? not sure but u can check it in tournament software.. maybe there is... :)

YES if the entire team china withdraw from AE.

Or NO X 5 otherwise.

YES if the entire team china withdraw from AE.

Or NO X 5 otherwise.
wad do u mean??

he means No WINNER in the 5 events, but KKK/TBH sure can deliver a metal (I hope is gold metal).

YES if the entire team china withdraw from AE.

Or NO X 5 otherwise.

meaning that MAS team worth something less than **** if compared to CHI, according to this guy.....:mad::mad::mad::mad: I think this guy is just another LYB disguise as usual, I mean FU/CAI lost again right? This is how he gets back to us when his MD keep on losing to everyone, some inferiority complex shite i think. TJL what do u think? LYB:" MAS player ah, boh koh neng la.....unless our players all lao sai lah......."

alfa2:" but lately fu/cai really lao sai leh for few tournaments dy, just wait til it gets to other team mates as well.....":D:D:D:D:D:D

he means No WINNER in the 5 events, but KKK/TBH sure can deliver a metal (I hope is gold metal).
my friend, are you trying to say meDal?? instead of meTal?? big difference le my friend.. haha... :D

yes, btw, i hope its a GOLD meDal don bring any meTal plz kkk aite??? :):D :p

my friend, are you trying to say meDal?? instead of meTal?? big difference le my friend.. haha... :D

yes, btw, i hope its a GOLD meDal don bring any meTal plz kkk aite??? :):D :p

i think what he meant is KKK to go to London, find a gold mine and bring back some gold meTal to Msia.:D:D:D:D

Many of us in this forum have been commenting on the noticeable drop of form by LCW lately. Read in the papers today that LCW is not getting along with his coach Li Mao :eek: :eek: :eek: and Li Mao has threatened to leave BAM :crying: :crying: :crying:. This is most unexpected piece of news. Hope LCW and Li Mao can patch up their differences .........otherwise LCW can say goodbye to 2007 All England, 2007 World Championship and 2008 Olympics ......

Malay Mail (Malaysian newspaper) report:

Li Mao signs out via e-mail
by RIZAL HASHIM
THE man who was supposed to take Malaysian singles to a higher plane has given up on the idea, just a year before the Olympic Games is staged in his homeland.
Stern-faced Li Mao – in charge of the singles section since January 2005 – has indicated to the BA of Malaysia (BAM) that he has no intention of renewing his contract, apparently through a series of e-mail correspondence.

Despite his impressive credentials, the grapevine has been abuzz with rumours the Chinese coach has not been able to command the fullest attention and respect from the likes of world No 2 Lee Chong Wei.

BAM, however, want to persuade Li Mao to stay on.

BAM general manager P.Ganga Rao said the national body were making a last-ditch attempt to force Li Mao to have a re-think.

“We are trying our best to persuade Li Mao to reconsider,said Ganga last night.

During his tenure with the Chinese national team in the early 1990s, Li Mao helped turn unpolished gems like Dong Jiong, Sun Jun, Ye Zhaoying, Dai Yun and Gong Zhi Chao into champions.

However, he fell out of favour with the Chinese BA after he reportedly had an argument with current chief coach Li Yongbo.

He then pitched his tent in South Korea.

Immediately after his arrival, Li Mao said the two titles that really mattered were the Olympic and World Championship titles.

The rest, according to him, are insignific a nt .

“As a professional coach, my aim is always to produce world and Olympic champions.

Other titles are not important.

They have no meaning to me,he was quoted then.

Going by his own high standards, Li Mao has certainly failed to deliver.

Although Chong Wei was the most consistent player in the national squad with three titles and six final appearances last year, the Penang lad’s excursions to the World Championship were blemished by a semi-final defeat to Taufik Hidayat in Anaheim 2005 and Bao Chunlai in the quarter-final in Madrid last year.

not threaten...
as i know..
Li Mao is definitely going to leave malaysia...
his destination is Korea...
now malaysia will left a empty spot for men singles coach...
which now replaced by Ng Tat Meng temporarily...
so maybe tat's the reason why LCW keep on losing...
haiz...

KOO/TAN and LEE CW ,they both have the chance to win the gold medal !!!!!!

KOO/TAN and LEE CW ,they both have the chance to win the gold medal !!!!!!
are you from China?? Supporting Mas eh?? thx btw i think kkk/tbh has a great chance if compared to LCW.. he needs time plus Li Mao just hugh him up... he must be pretty disappointed and down now....

not threaten...
as i know..
Li Mao is definitely going to leave malaysia...
his destination is Korea...
now malaysia will left a empty spot for men singles coach...
which now replaced by Ng Tat Meng temporarily...
so maybe tat's the reason why LCW keep on losing...
haiz...

LM's decision of leaving MAS is not just because of Korea is offering a better position for him, im afraid that the triggering case for this unfortunate event is that our ex-hero LCW hasnt lived up to his standards which is very disappointing for him, which also meant that he failed to keep his promise to BAM in producing a World Champion for us. And this, LM cant accept......

are you from China?? Supporting Mas eh?? thx btw i think kkk/tbh has a great chance if compared to LCW.. he needs time plus Li Mao just hugh him up... he must be pretty disappointed and down now....

To be frank TJL, if i'm LM, I would have stuck my foot in LCW arse before leaving the squad for the countlessssssss unforced errorssssss......:D:D:D:D:D

my friend, are you trying to say meDal?? instead of meTal?? big difference le my friend.. haha... :D

yes, btw, i hope its a GOLD meDal don bring any meTal plz kkk aite??? :):D :p

oh shot....i'm sorry
Gold meDal....yea...

i dunnno wad to say... apparently, msia's singles is declining and the master is leaving them behind at this point of time.. to be honest alfa2, i don think anything good will be happening in our singles department anytime soon unless LCW finds his touch again... which is unlikely maybe for a period of time... *sigh*

is LCW another case like Ong Ewe Hock mayb?

Ong Ewe Hock was great when he was in his prime.....
in 1998 TC finals if not mistaken he was the only one who scored a point against INA.... while all others fell...

but ine thing for sure, LCW is more talented than Ong since small.

why not? but i see the doubles as Malaysia's best bet for a winner: Koo and Tan... if they can repeat their unique play once again...

The key is to have more teams/players qualify for AE to enhance the chance of winning the AE.
In MS, China still has higher probability having 4 MS players, namely Lin Dan, Chen Jin, Bao Chunlai, Chen Yu while Denmark has Peter Gade and kenneth Jonassen. Realisticly, Indonesia only have Taufik and Malaysia have Lee Chong Wei. I don't think Korea has anyone that can grab the title even with Li Mao as coach for now. The only good news(for non-chinese fan) is Chen Hong may not participate in AE hence have 1 less hurdle. Chinese win MS title is more than probable unless Taufik and Peter play exceptionally well throughout the tournament.
For MD, Malaysia and Korea have better chance to win the title with so many capable teams from both countries, however, for Malaysia to win, Rexy may have to create "twist"(more like the series "24 hours") like in Asian Games. May be this time by splitting up KKK/TBH and re-unite Chan Chong ming/KKK in order to win the title ... (May be I have watched too much "24")

The key is to have more teams/players qualify for AE to enhance the chance of winning the AE.
In MS, China still has higher probability having 4 MS players, namely Lin Dan, Chen Jin, Bao Chunlai, Chen Yu while Denmark has Peter Gade and kenneth Jonassen. Realisticly, Indonesia only have Taufik and Malaysia have Lee Chong Wei. I don't think Korea has anyone that can grab the title even with Li Mao as coach for now. The only good news(for non-chinese fan) is Chen Hong may not participate in AE hence have 1 less hurdle. Chinese win MS title is more than probable unless Taufik and Peter play exceptionally well throughout the tournament.
For MD, Malaysia and Korea have better chance to win the title with so many capable teams from both countries, however, for Malaysia to win, Rexy may have to create "twist"(more like the series "24 hours") like in Asian Games. May be this time by splitting up KKK/TBH and re-unite Chan Chong ming/KKK in order to win the title ... (May be I have watched too much "24")
yes.. perhaps u watched too much of 24 hrs... hahaha nice serial though haha

any malaysian players going to germany open?

koo/tan will be n i heard fairuz/wonnfui will also go...
not really sure..
but if they really go, title is already in their hands for sure....

koo/tan will be n i heard fairuz/wonnfui will also go...
not really sure..
but if they really go, title is already in their hands for sure....

no no...its in their pocket already...

no no...its in their pocket already...
wad do u mean its in their pocket??!!!!!!!!!!
ITS IN THEIR BANK OK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:rolleyes: meaning that MAS team worth something less than **** if compared to CHI, according to this guy.....:mad::mad::mad::mad: I think this guy is just another LYB disguise as usual, I mean FU/CAI lost again right? This is how he gets back to us when his MD keep on losing to everyone, some inferiority complex shite i think. TJL what do u think? LYB:" MAS player ah, boh koh neng la.....unless our players all lao sai lah......."

alfa2:" but lately fu/cai really lao sai leh for few tournaments dy, just wait til it gets to other team mates as well.....":D:D:D:D:D:D

ROFL

How am I LYB disguise in expressing my own opinion??? Not to mention the Chinese team is in fact the STRONGEST.

Your comment almost makes me laugh in attempt to amuse LYB and the Chinese team for being too dominating. Why don't you explain how Malaysia has yet becoming the number one nation in badminton, or hardly get the edge ahead of Indo? Maybe a review of the Malaysia tea, is more helpful than calling the winner cocky.

Even Korea, which badminton is less recognized there has produced more legendary players than Malaysia. Maybe Malaysia it the country who needs LYB disguise most to improve their badminton!!! :mad:

meaning that MAS team worth something less than **** if compared to CHI, according to this guy.....:mad::mad::mad::mad: I think this guy is just another LYB disguise as usual, I mean FU/CAI lost again right? This is how he gets back to us when his MD keep on losing to everyone, some inferiority complex shite i think. TJL what do u think? LYB:" MAS player ah, boh koh neng la.....unless our players all lao sai lah......."

alfa2:" but lately fu/cai really lao sai leh for few tournaments dy, just wait til it gets to other team mates as well.....":D:D:D:D:D:D

Lin Dan, BCL, CJ, CY are all in excellent form, as of late, LCW has not been since WC2006 last year. In fact, since then, he has lost to CJ, BCL and LD before. China dominates Women singles and doubles, have a strong hold on mixed with 2 super series under the belt of Gao Ling/Zheng Bo. I think Malaysia's greatest chance in the AE is mens doubles, KKK/TBH.

By the by. Watch what you say and don't assume or put words in other people's mouths.

:rolleyes:

ROFL

How am I LYB disguise in expressing my own opinion??? Not to mention the Chinese team is in fact the STRONGEST.

Your comment almost makes me laugh in attempt to amuse LYB and the Chinese team for being too dominating. Why don't you explain how Malaysia has yet becoming the number one nation in badminton, or hardly get the edge ahead of Indo? Maybe a review of the Malaysia tea, is more helpful than calling the winner cocky.

Even Korea, which badminton is less recognized there has produced more legendary players than Malaysia. Maybe Malaysia it the country who needs LYB disguise most to improve their badminton!!! :mad:


someone is definitely not playing here...hahaha.hey Wong8Egg dun lose ur cool man......be cool.im sorry, correction is to be made------cai and fu definitely did not lose to KKK/TBH ok?? and the Chinese kick KKK/TBH arse in just 2 straight sets in Asiad like nobody's business.:D:D:D:D

someone is definitely not playing here...hahaha.hey Wong8Egg dun lose ur cool man......be cool.im sorry, correction is to be made------cai and fu definitely did not lose to KKK/TBH ok?? and the Chinese kick KKK/TBH arse in just 2 straight sets in Asiad like nobody's business.:D:D:D:D

KKK/TBH have my full respect in earning their Gold in Asiad, and so does other title winners. But you childish comment certinaly won't earn your any.

KKK/TBH have my full respect in earning their Gold in Asiad, and so does other title winners. But you childish comment certinaly won't earn your any.

oh i thought u say that Malaysians arent that good, dont have any chance in winning AE and only the CHI is the STRONGEST?? and Wong8Egg, cant u handle a joke?? adults can differentiate between a joke and when someone being serious. only kids cant differentiate or handle them, so now who is being childish? :D:D:D:D IT IS JUST FOR FUN.....wake up. Boring.....haihhhh.

oh i thought u say that Malaysians arent that good, dont have any chance in winning AE and only the CHI is the STRONGEST?? and Wong8Egg, cant u handle a joke?? adults can differentiate between a joke and when someone being serious. only kids cant differentiate or handle them, so now who is being childish? :D:D:D:D IT IS JUST FOR FUN.....wake up. Boring.....haihhhh.

I think the Chinese team is stronger than Malaysia and they are likely to capture most titles. Agree or not and that's MY OWN opinion.

Continue your jokes as if it makes you to feel better like a respectable person, but that's all I am going to say. PERIOD.

I think the Chinese team is stronger than Malaysia and they are likely to capture most titles. Agree or not and that's MY OWN opinion.

Continue your jokes as if it makes you to feel better like a respectable person, but that's all I am going to say. PERIOD.

i WILL. thanks.:D:D:D:D:D Pls continue with YOUR OWN OPINION while i'll just continue with my jokes. is that alright? or should i apologise to you just to make u feel better? :) will you cry?

YO GUYS!!! come on i started this thread just to share our minds together dun get to emotionally stressed up....
alfa2 can express his/her (i assume its a "he") opinions and so does Wong8Egg...

Cool guys... :)

YO GUYS!!! come on i started this thread just to share our minds together dun get to emotionally stressed up....
alfa2 can express his/her (i assume its a "he") opinions and so does Wong8Egg...

Cool guys... :)

hahaha......cool man......:D:D:D:D:D:D anyone need a beer?

hahaha......cool man......:D:D:D:D:D:D anyone need a beer?
Get me one...and make it a Carlsberg...long cool Dame!:D

Get me one...and make it a Carlsberg...long cool Dame!:D

carlsberg, heineken or budweiser....as long as it's COOL, its good.

why dun make it "Cap Apek"? haha

I think Stability in the Men's Double is hard to find at the moment, assuming that this is the event that Malaysia has the best chance of winning. Koo and Tan are indeed a stable pair, but there are contenders. Tony and Candra ? Fu and Cai ? The Korean pairs ? All of these pairs are very strong and are always looking for ways to beat each other. IMO I think the koreans have a strong game, but the confidence isn't necessariliy there. For the Chinese, their game is rather predictable and so reading their movements shouldn't be a problems, the challenge is keeping up with their movements. Overall, I think koo/tan will probably make the final, and if tony and candra are in the AE, then my money is on Tony/Candra. If not I'm rooting for the Koreans.

alfa2 I certainly couldn't tell that you were were joking, and it feels like your attacking Wong8Egg. Please keep the thread and the forum clean.

I think Stability in the Men's Double is hard to find at the moment, assuming that this is the event that Malaysia has the best chance of winning. Koo and Tan are indeed a stable pair, but there are contenders. Tony and Candra ? Fu and Cai ? The Korean pairs ? All of these pairs are very strong and are always looking for ways to beat each other. IMO I think the koreans have a strong game, but the confidence isn't necessariliy there. For the Chinese, their game is rather predictable and so reading their movements shouldn't be a problems, the challenge is keeping up with their movements. Overall, I think koo/tan will probably make the final, and if tony and candra are in the AE, then my money is on Tony/Candra. If not I'm rooting for the Koreans.

alfa2 I certainly couldn't tell that you were were joking, and it feels like your attacking Wong8Egg. Please keep the thread and the forum clean.
probably to playsafe, i would place my bet on koo/tan, cai/fu, tony/candra, yongdae/jaesung.... but apparently,the chinese pair isn't doin so well just like LCW is now.. haha

n yes.... if they are separate in the draws, kkk/tbh v tg/cw showdown again in finals....

yeah I'd prefer a showdown between them because I really felt that Candra was really lacking at the back during the MO open. Same thing during the KO open. Maybe it's the sign of the times T_T. But if Candra can regain his mojo at the back of the court, then bam ! we've got GGs going !

yes.... candra is quite a "mistake-maker" guy... haha
and tony seems to be the "backbone" of the partnership.....

candra din seem to play at his best in KO & MO....

AE, he can do amendments about it.. ahaha

alfa2 I certainly couldn't tell that you were were joking, and it feels like your attacking Wong8Egg. Please keep the thread and the forum clean.

then an attacking joke i guess.....:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D thanks for the comment anyway.:p

The QUESTION
Can a Malaysian win the All England Again?
THE ANSWER
YES if the entire team china withdraw from AE.

Or NO X 5 otherwise.
:rolleyes:
Not to mention the Chinese team is in fact the STRONGEST.

Why don't you explain how Malaysia has yet becoming the number one nation in badminton, or hardly get the edge ahead of Indo? Maybe a review of the Malaysia tea, is more helpful than calling the winner cocky.

Even Korea, which badminton is less recognized there has produced more legendary players than Malaysia. Maybe Malaysia it the country who needs LYB disguise most to improve their badminton!!! :mad:

Angelou, i guess these posts by Wong8Egg are NOT offensive at all......Let you be the judge. In the mean time, i'll go get myself a beer. D*mn desperately i need one right now.:D:D:D:D:D:D

yes.... candra is quite a "mistake-maker" guy... haha
and tony seems to be the "backbone" of the partnership.....

candra din seem to play at his best in KO & MO....

AE, he can do amendments about it.. ahaha
Word ! It was great when they came back in, I mean they were pumped and ready to kick butt ! But in recent events, it feels like that desire is starting to slip. Have they actually won a all england together ?

Alfa2 How about this ! you both say your sorry. Plain and simple. Cuz you were both at fault. Wong8Egg made a comment you didn't like, and you said bad things about Wong, then it became a typical bashing match. This is forum for discussion, making negative comments about the character of the people on the forum just degrades it.

Sorry for saying that you were the only one at fault.

Angelou and TJL, it all really started off from me as a joke, nothing serious.....hehehe....:D:D:D:D:D:D

The joke is on LYB. It's just a reply to someone who thought that MAS wont have a chance in AE unless CHI redraws from the tournament, but things got out of hand when someone dun like my joke and starting to get serious and being harsh on MAS team :eek::eek::eek:......

likewise i've made dozens of jokes on other players as well, e.g. the all time yoyo champion hafiz....after all it doesnt really mean anything and it's just a joke.:p:p:p I dont mean any harm.

By the way, im sure if CW/TG have more chance to train together, AE will be the episode of "The Empire Strikes Back"!!! However KKK/TBH wont go down without an interesting light saber encounter with them.

Word ! It was great when they came back in, I mean they were pumped and ready to kick butt ! But in recent events, it feels like that desire is starting to slip. Have they actually won a all england together ?
...Tony & Candra, they won it together in 1999: http://tonygunawan.net/me.html ;) :cool:

...Tony & Candra, they won it together in 1999: http://tonygunawan.net/me.html ;) :cool:

omg omg omg ! tony plays games and watches anime. I do all that stuff too ! lol not like everybody else doesn't ^^

omg omg omg ! tony plays games and watches anime. I do all that stuff too ! lol not like everybody else doesn't ^^

hehehe....me too. hope that makes me a good double player as well. it seems that he's a very nice guy from that pic on the website.

hehehe....me too. hope that makes me a good double player as well. it seems that he's a very nice guy from that pic on the website.

yup yup, on a different note though, unfortunately it seems like Tony isn't satisfied his recent losses when I read his reflection on them. I haven't seen the full match, but I can agree with Gunawan that they don't have the stability. It's like as if they've lost their telepathy as brothers T_T. Perhaps a little more communication ?

yup yup, on a different note though, unfortunately it seems like Tony isn't satisfied his recent losses when I read his reflection on them. I haven't seen the full match, but I can agree with Gunawan that they don't have the stability. It's like as if they've lost their telepathy as brothers T_T. Perhaps a little more communication ?

he isnt satisfied coz he can feel that they can do better than KKK/TBH (which he is in terms of experience, doubles strategy, but the young ones will have better speed and stamina)

if CW/TG have to chance to practice more together, then it would be one of the match of the decade if they were to meet with KKK/TBH at AE final .

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm:rolleyes:.....

yes sihar?? wads tat hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm all about??? :) hehe

that's so Bu*****t man.. tony's resume is simply marvellous!!!!!!! hahahaha i wish i can at least have 10% of that haha... yes i know.. its a stupid post.. haha

yup yup, on a different note though, unfortunately it seems like Tony isn't satisfied his recent losses when I read his reflection on them. I haven't seen the full match, but I can agree with Gunawan that they don't have the stability. It's like as if they've lost their telepathy as brothers T_T. Perhaps a little more communication ?
its so so so so obvious on Tony's face.. even when rexy went over to shake hand wit him he wasn't even lookin at rexy... plus candra isnt so stable player as tony often making mistakes and strong defence... but so far its still been a very good run from them.. we'll see if it continues in AE..

Hafiz will win the title for sure hehehe...Wake up Hafizzz!!! :D :p

Based on LCW's past record, i predict LCW will only manage to reach AE S/Final for this year ;)

its so so so so obvious on Tony's face.. even when rexy went over to shake hand wit him he wasn't even lookin at rexy... plus candra isnt so stable player as tony often making mistakes and strong defence... but so far its still been a very good run from them.. we'll see if it continues in AE..

tony might not 'satisfy' with chandra performance :rolleyes:, CW made many unforce errors

i think now CW plays badminton 'for fun' not for earning money, he's rich enough, its different with tony.

tony might not 'satisfy' with chandra performance :rolleyes:, CW made many unforce errors

i think now CW plays badminton 'for fun' not for earning money, he's rich enough, its different with tony.

are you the bank manager of the bank where they keep their money?:D:D:D:D:D:D how much does taufik has then? juz curious.....

tony might not 'satisfy' with chandra performance :rolleyes:, CW made many unforce errors

i think now CW plays badminton 'for fun' not for earning money, he's rich enough, its different with tony.
yea i suppose so... but still it'll be frustrating for them by slipping titles after titles out of their hands...

wil Taufik win AE this time? I would like to see LD n TH face off again.

i think its either LD/LCW or LD/TH finals haha

i think its either LD/LCW or LD/TH finals haha

IMO, LCW is not good enough to enter the AE Final this year. I think he only manage to go only to SF...

It is more likely either LD/CJ or LD/PG or LD/TH...

IMO, LCW is not good enough to enter the AE Final this year. I think he only manage to go only to SF...

It is more likely either LD/CJ or LD/PG or LD/TH...
LCW is consistent but he never win any major international tournament's title yet eventhough he manage to become world no. 1 last year...at least YoYo Hafiz already won AE title in 2003...

I will support him whatever happen :) n i hope he will win AE eventhough i'm not very sure he can get it...:D :D

LCW is consistent but he never win any major international tournament's title yet eventhough he manage to become world no. 1 last year...at least YoYo Hafiz already won AE title in 2003...
its hard to put it that way.. however, i think we need to look into the draw before we can say anything..

I will support him whatever happen :) n i hope he will win AE eventhough i'm not very sure he can get it...:D :D
and you are referring to???? :confused::confused::confused:

and you are referring to???? :confused::confused::confused:

oh ya.. forget to write..:o i'm referring to LCW..;) ;)

its hard to put it that way.. however, i think we need to look into the draw before we can say anything..

Yup, draw will help but not all the times...even LD can suddenly fail to deliver eventhough his draw is good enough :D

when is the AE draw coming out?

when is the AE draw coming out?
20th of February.;) ;) ;)

20th of February.;) ;) ;)

ah thanks haifeng

just 2 more days...

will there be a live draw online??

I just every the match will be shown live in astro...:D :p ;) :p :D

yeah, but knowing Astro, prob not... lucky the Super Series rules state that all matches frm SF must be telecasted... still not enough!

I just every the match will be shown live in astro...:D :p ;) :p :D

correction... I just hope the match will be shown live in astro...:D :p ;)

all england has always been broadcasted by our lovely RTM1......well....the chances of astro broadcasting it is bout 30%.......

The AE will start today.. just hope luck will always with us...

The AE will start today.. just hope luck will always with us...
AE will start today? :confused::confused::confused::eek::eek:
AE wil start from 6-11 March if i'm not mistaken, not today :p

Only the draw will coming out today :D

all england has always been broadcasted by our lovely RTM1......well....the chances of astro broadcasting it is bout 30%.......
RTM1 will only be considered as "LOVELY" if ithey broadcast all of the tournament not only those major tournament. ;)

Badminton: Rexy challenges duo

22 Feb 2007
K.M. Boopathy (nstsports@nst.com.my)

WINNING the All England title, especially on their debut, is the hallmark of true champions.

And coming from national doubles coach Rexy Mainaky, who as a player won the title twice, it is a message that Koo Kien Keat-Tan Boon Heong must take very seriously.

This is because Rexy has always listed the All England, which will be played in Birmingham on March 6-11, among the major titles which he wants his charges to win.

And Rexy firmly believes Kien Keat-Boon Heong are capable of winning it.

Kien Keat-Boon Heong are ranked World No 32 but seeded eighth in Birmingham due to their good run on the international scene.

The Malaysians are aiming for their second prestigious crown after having won the Asian Games gold in Doha last December.

And with Malaysia’s last men’s All England doubles title coming in 1982 via Razif and Jalani Sidek, the pressure is greater on Kien Keat-Boon Heong.

The road to the title will not be easy as they are down to meet three Indonesian pairs — Sigit Budiarto-Frans Kurniawan, Luluk Hadiyanto-Alven Yulianto and joint third seeds Markis Kido-Hendra Setiawan en route to the semi-finals — but Rexy believes his young charges have the mental resilience to go through.

In the semi-finals, they are likely to meet defending champions Jens Eriksen-Martin Lundgaard Hansen of Denmark while their final opponents could be either top seeds Fu Haifeng-Cai Yun of China or the Indonesian-American combination of Candra Wijaya-Tony Gunawan.

"I feel Kien Keat-Boon Heong have an easier draw than their teammates but they must work hard to go all the way to win the title. Then they can call themselves true champions," said Rexy.

"I’m saying this because they are making their debut in the event as a pair and they have to beat some strong pairs from the second round onwards.

"This is a big test as their rivals will also be prepared for them and the All-England is not an easy tournament to win."

Boon Heong said the fact that he will be playing in England for the first time will make it difficult but he will be battling hard with Kien Keat to deliver.

"I’ve never played in the All-England and that will make it tougher," said Boon Heong.

"Our rivals are now aware of our tactics and we need to work harder. It is hard to say if we can win but we will give it our best shot to continue doing well."


Kambate M'sia team,Malaysia Bolehhhh!!!!!:D :D :D

Even Rexy think the draw for KKK/TBH will quite easy. Pray for them that they can grab the title and end 25 years gold drought for Malaysia. Go KKK/TBH!

Well, i believe this is a good chance for both of them to deliver this title since the other top pair in the world still not fully understand them and hope they will continue working hard and really want to see them standing on the podium.Best of luck.

hope all of you that are able to attend the all-england have a great time!:)

possible 4 men n mixed double ... but difficult in men single

KKK/TBH have the chance to win and shouldnt have much problem winning it.

KKK/TBH have the chance to win and shouldnt have much problem winning it.

I don't want to put 100% yes for them,but yes,they has really big chance to win.In previous KO Open they failed bcoz they are so tired after stuggle in MO that they had to started from qualifying round and two day later had to compete again ,but this time they had enough time to prepared and they no need to compete in Qualification round again.They had strenght,power and speed.What can block their way now is mentality strenght and avoid from making lot of error.

Hope they do well in AE,;) :D

KKK/TBH stands a very good chance indeed. Because they don't have to play through the qualifying rounds and KKK isn't competing in XD.

from the draw point of view and also their current form, they seem to be unbeatable.. but whats worrying is that other pairs have already seen their weapons and they might be able to counter it.. but apparently, i think kkk/tbh is a step above most of the top pairs as they have stronger mental resilience just as how Rexy said about them.. they'll go far this time.. winning it?? i see it as 50-50... anything is possible..

Ya,you are right.Anything is possible but i believe they can deliver it if they be more careful and play well and of course with rexy around ,he is a good player and coach.Good luck to both of them.

Ya,you are right.Anything is possible but i believe they can deliver it if they be more careful and play well and of course with rexy around ,he is a good player and coach.Good luck to both of them.
apparently, kkk/tbh's ina opponents withdrew rite?? wonder wad will happen next

apparently, kkk/tbh's ina opponents withdrew rite?? wonder wad will happen next

Ina pair withdrew,:eek: i tot only TH are out.Are u sure ina pair withdrew??,just curious.:confused:

Ina pair withdrew,:eek: i tot only TH are out.Are u sure ina pair withdrew??,just curious.:confused:
i wasn't sure so i was asking actually.. haha u got da info??

i wasn't sure so i was asking actually.. haha u got da info??

Sorry i tot u put a statement there.I'll think they still go to AE.Taufik is the one who withdrew .They will not participated is swiss open.They be banned.Malaysia will fight them in AE for sure.Here they article.

Taufik to miss All England amid reports of camp squabble


Primastuti Handayani, The Jakarta Post

Two-time All England finalist Taufik Hidayat of Indonesia has pulled out of this year's tournament amid reports of an internal squabble at the national training camp.

The Badminton Association of Indonesia (PBSI) official in charge of training, Lius Pongoh, told The Jakarta Post on Monday that Taufik's coach Mulyo Handoyo confirmed late last week the decision but failed to provide a reason.
"We still have his ticket and hotel reservations. But Mulyo has said that Taufik will not compete at the All England," Lius said.
Taufik refused to confirm his absence, saying: "Please ask Lius (Pongoh) or (national training camp chief) Christian (Hadinata). I won't say anything until they make statements on the matter."
"I will only give my response after they tell the press their version of events," he told the Post.
Taufik was only 17 when he reached his first All England final. He had the chance to become the youngest ever champion at the tournament -- breaking the record of Rudy Hartono of Indonesia who won the title at the age of 18 -- but he lost to Peter Gade of Denmark. He reached the final a year later, but again failed to win the title.
Taufik said he had been focused on the March 6-11 tournament, the lone title not in his collection, for the past month.
"I want it badly but now I am facing this," he said.
Sources at the training camp said it all began with Taufik's demand that doubles players Markis Kido, Luluk Hadiyanto, Alvent Yulianto and Flandy Limpele be banned from competing in two tournaments after they took part in an event in Papua last December without the PBSI's consent.
PBSI officials decided the doubles players would not be allowed to compete in the Swiss Open next month, but would be allowed to take part in the All England, which is a six-star Super Series event and part of the 2008 Olympic Games qualifying.
The decision reportedly upset the Olympic and two-time Asian Games champion and he threatened to pull out of the All England unless PBSI changed course.
Lius said PBSI has yet to send a letter to the Badminton World Federation informing them of Taufik's absence from the All England.
"It doesn't matter if we tell the BWF now or later because the draw has already been finalized and we will be fined US$250 according to the regulations," he said. Based on the BWF draw last week, Taufik would meet Muhd. Hafiz Hashim of Malaysia, who won the All England in 2003, in the first round. He then had a potential showdown with compatriot Sony Dwi Kuncoro in the second round. If Taufik advanced, he would have likely faced world champion Lin Dan of China in the third round.

but i still think they aren't a big threat to kkk/tbh if kkk/tbh play like how they played in Mas Open... i think they are very confident now...

Ya...Hope what you says are right but they must be very careful and don't over confident.I believe that can deliver it.Once again good luck to blth of them.

Ya...Hope what you says are right but they must be very careful and don't over confident.I believe that can deliver it.Once again good luck to blth of them.
from what we saw in KL i think they are untouchable but once again.. anything can happen... in KO they lost tamely to LJJ/HJM

Exactly, anything can happens but i hope they give their best in the All England because everyone is putting high hope on them compared to LCW which i willing to believe in him once again although he is not in form in this few months.Just hope that all the fans or their coach expectation won't become a burden for them.

Ya,over confident also can become a big threat .Less confident also can eat them.What they had to do is be cool,keep up their momentum and reduce from making lots error.I'm just worried with TBH,sometimes i feel he a good player and sometimes he the one who do lot of error.Hope he is do fine in AE.This is his first time at AE.The preassure must big.TBH boleehh..

yes exactly... TBH seems to be the "weakling" in the partneship... but he has shown to us that he can as well cope with pressure... e.g. AG 2006..

still i think he is not a fully and wholly developed player yet...
but apparently, TIME is on HIS side.. he's young... ;p

They are both Mentally tired during the KO. Physically they are ok. I would agree with most of you that the Mens Doubles have higher chances to win compare to the Mens Singles. But then anything can happen. Just don't put pressure on our players. They will do just fine.

If they can defeated frans-sigit 1st round they will meet Markis and Hendrawan.When watching MO open in MDSF,it seem Ina pair Markis and Hendrawan seem much better after AG 2006.In AG 2006 Mas team always lead 2 or 3 point but in MO they be left 3 or 4 point behind ina pair altough at the end they win.I can sense ina pair is now improving.That wat i afraid of ,they might had a new strategy to deafeat KKK/TBH and going more stronger than before.I really hope this is not happening.I should put my faith on them.

They are both Mentally tired during the KO. Physically they are ok. I would agree with most of you that the Mens Doubles have higher chances to win compare to the Mens Singles. But then anything can happen. Just don't put pressure on our players. They will do just fine.
for me, i think thats the fact apparently on looking on current performances by the players... :):D:D

If they can defeated frans-sigit 1st round they will meet Markis and Hendrawan.When watching MO open in MDSF,it seem Ina pair Markis and Hendrawan seem much better after AG 2006.In AG 2006 Mas team always lead 2 or 3 point but in MO they be left 3 or 4 point behind ina pair altough at the end they win.I can sense ina pair is now improving.That wat i afraid of ,they might had a new strategy to deafeat KKK/TBH and going more stronger than before.I really hope this is not happening.I should put my faith on them.
the INA pairs are definitely improving fast but i still firmly believe that kkk/tbh are a step ahead of them for now... :D

yes exactly... TBH seems to be the "weakling" in the partneship... but he has shown to us that he can as well cope with pressure... e.g. AG 2006..

still i think he is not a fully and wholly developed player yet...
but apparently, TIME is on HIS side.. he's young... ;p


WHY is TBH so good ?

Well, this guy is not an academic in school and the only thing that interests him is badminton (and I am pretty sure gals too). Basically, he eats, sleeps, and thinks badminton. For such focus, it is hard for him not to perform. People like him would fight every fight and would never give up when the chips are down. I suspect KKK is the same.

This is why KKK/TBH as a pair will go a long way --- they have that special something that they both share and that is to win every tournament they are in. Malaysia is lucky to have these two -- Rexy, you have done well in putting them together.

An All-England 2007 doubles championship is definitely achievable. This is definitely at time to expect that. I think the cream would be if LCW surprises with LHI, TAUFIK and Chen Hong not competing. For me PG is the biggest threat to LD and LCW winning the AE 2007. But I think LCW stands a very good chances because he is slowing coming back into form (on his day, he can beat PG or LD as he had shown in the past, and I think his D-day is the Finals AE 2007).

Good luck KKK/TBH and LCW. This is your year !

Thanks XBall for clarify TBH is good player at least it cool down my worried.:D

i believe kkk & tbh are capable of winning.
as well as the faith of many fans in them...Rexy their super coach believes that they are able to end the long Malaysian wait for a doubles title

WHY is TBH so good ?

Well, this guy is not an academic in school and the only thing that interests him is badminton (and I am pretty sure gals too). Basically, he eats, sleeps, and thinks badminton. For such focus, it is hard for him not to perform. People like him would fight every fight and would never give up when the chips are down. I suspect KKK is the same.

This is why KKK/TBH as a pair will go a long way --- they have that special something that they both share and that is to win every tournament they are in. Malaysia is lucky to have these two -- Rexy, you have done well in putting them together.

An All-England 2007 doubles championship is definitely achievable. This is definitely at time to expect that. I think the cream would be if LCW surprises with LHI, TAUFIK and Chen Hong not competing. For me PG is the biggest threat to LD and LCW winning the AE 2007. But I think LCW stands a very good chances because he is slowing coming back into form (on his day, he can beat PG or LD as he had shown in the past, and I think his D-day is the Finals AE 2007).

Good luck KKK/TBH and LCW. This is your year !

I dont agree with u on that matter you suggested here (bold). I feel that its a norm for every professional badminton player to have such focus. Markis Kido has it, Lin Woon Fui has it.....Having the focus doesnt mean one can be good, coz every pro player has it.

wait ... wait...
What year is KKK and TBH was born ...??
And now is the pig year...???
I will calculate this one and look what's gonna happen to them in AE...? :))

wizzy

wait ... wait...
What year is KKK and TBH was born ...??
And now is the pig year...???
I will calculate this one and look what's gonna happen to them in AE...? :))

wizzy
KKK born on the 18th of September 1985 while TBH born in 1987. Same birthday as KKK. :D ;)

wah.. wah...

according to my calculations.... it seems the weakest link will be on TBH...
and they will face difficult tasks in the near future...
don't know.. in what rounds...

I am not sure whether they will win the AE title this year...
could be next year.. they will have more opportunities...

wizzy

I dont agree with u on that matter you suggested here (bold). I feel that its a norm for every professional badminton player to have such focus. Markis Kido has it, Lin Woon Fui has it.....Having the focus doesnt mean one can be good, coz every pro player has it.

TBH started very early in badminton. All he does is play a lot of badminton. He did not become this specially good without playing a lot of badminton. THis is why he has this special 'no fear' syndrome because he played so much badminton. If Markis and Woon Fui have done same, it is no wonder they are good too --- are you saying they are not good ?

You need to practice and practice until you can be that good. TBH does that.

wah.. wah...

according to my calculations.... it seems the weakest link will be on TBH...
and they will face difficult tasks in the near future...
don't know.. in what rounds...

I am not sure whether they will win the AE title this year...
could be next year.. they will have more opportunities...

wizzy

Due to the Eclipse of the Moon, you offsetted your calculation by one year. So what you think is next year is actually this year. So KKK/TBH will do well in the AE.:)

And more, I think you saw the weakling as TH not TBH.....sometimes the eyes can play tricks on alphabets or is it the alphabets playing tricks on the eyes ?.;)

WHY is TBH so good ?

Good luck KKK/TBH and LCW. This is your year !

Being a Malaysian, I would love to see TBH/KKK win AE07. Beginning of 07, they have to qualify for tournaments and to win AG07 and MAS07 and went far in KOR07 are major achievements and we should be proud of. But to thrust so much pressure onto them to win AE07, when their pairing is still very young would put too much pressure on them. Let's just sit back, pray they can perform some miracle and if they do not win, there is WC07, OG07 and many AE's to come. They have done MAS proud, same for LCW too. When LCW plays, just like TH, even if they lose, the badminton they display is very entertaining and pure technical, a joy to see. Ditto for PG too.

i really doubt that the stars can decide who wins what but i hope that it does at it will give them a huge boost of confidence and could lead to many more achievments.

I watched the video of KKK/TBH vs TG/CW at MO2007. And the one thing I noticed above all else was that KKK/TBH give it absolutely EVERYTHING they've got. They're absolutely all over the place (in a good way, not in a disorganized way :p). They just put so much effort into their game. I know most proffessional badminton players do their best, but these guys go beyond that. They're also damned quick :)!

I also noticed their communication was very good :D! They have all the signs of a good doubles partnership and I think they have a very very good chance of winning the AE this year!

yupe!!! they do have a very good on-court communication.... their + point i guess...

TBH started very early in badminton. All he does is play a lot of badminton. He did not become this specially good without playing a lot of badminton. THis is why he has this special 'no fear' syndrome because he played so much badminton. If Markis and Woon Fui have done same, it is no wonder they are good too --- are you saying they are not good ?

You need to practice and practice until you can be that good. TBH does that.
Yes Im saying that they are not good enough to be the world champion. For an example, Ong Ewe Hock trained very very hard, and only only ONLY played badminton during his young days, skipped school just to play badminton, played more than 7 times a week, eat, walk and sleep badminton.....does that kind of focus is good enough? no, its not and the proof is his achievements in the international badminton arena. Talent is what matter most.....I know this coz im his junior and he stayed in my house for as long as i could remember before he went to BAM. as for LCW, he is not as hardworking as Ong, but he was very very talented compared to others. I know this too coz im his senior before he went to BAM.

Yes Im saying that they are not good enough to be the world champion. For an example, Ong Ewe Hock trained very very hard, and only only ONLY played badminton during his young days, skipped school just to play badminton, played more than 7 times a week, eat, walk and sleep badminton.....does that kind of focus is good enough? no, its not and the proof is his achievements in the international badminton arena. Talent is what matter most.....I know this coz im his junior and he stayed in my house for as long as i could remember before he went to BAM. as for LCW, he is not as hardworking as Ong, but he was very very talented compared to others. I know this too coz im his senior before he went to BAM.

Wow, you are a hard man to please --- even when the pair won the Asian Games and Malaysian Open, you still feel they are not good enough ?

It is not easy to win these my friend. As for Ong Ewe Hock, he was very good because he had to play with the toughest in his time. You cannot say he had no talent --- coz he won many tournaments (maybe not against the Chinese).

KKK/TBH are clearly class acts and it came from both working extremely hard and having talent.

Wow, you are a hard man to please --- even when the pair won the Asian Games and Malaysian Open, you still feel they are not good enough ?

It is not easy to win these my friend. As for Ong Ewe Hock, he was very good because he had to play with the toughest in his time. You cannot say he had no talent --- coz he won many tournaments (maybe not against the Chinese).

KKK/TBH are clearly class acts and it came from both working extremely hard and having talent.

when i said not good enough, it is meant for others not KKK/TBH. what im trying to say, tremendous effort from the players alone is not enough to be a world champion if you dont have the talent. and TBH CAN be world champion isnt coz of his focus (eat, sleep and play badminton) as mostly all professional players are like that, it's because he has the gist in him like many world champions; like rexy, LD, Park Joo Bong....... Hope you get it.

and im not saying about normal talent (to be national champ) here, talent to be a real world champion like ZJH, MF, Rexy, PJB...... is one in millions.

when i said not good enough, it is meant for others not KKK/TBH. what im trying to say, tremendous effort from the players alone is not enough to be a world champion if you dont have the talent. and TBH CAN be world champion isnt coz of his focus (eat, sleep and play badminton) as mostly all professional players are like that, it's because he has the gist in him like many world champions; like rexy, LD, Park Joo Bong....... Hope you get it.

Talent is not born into a person (innate) as you suggested. Talent is developed thru experience, hard work and good coaching in most instances. You are suggesting that a world champion cannot be if he has no talent. I find that hard to consume -- I think LD wins consistently because he is very fit, has a good brain, and enjoys good coaching. Is that talent ?

Talent is not born into a person (innate) as you suggested. Talent is developed thru experience, hard work and good coaching in most instances. You are suggesting that a world champion cannot be if he has no talent. I find that hard to consume -- I think LD wins consistently because he is very fit, has a good brain, and enjoys good coaching. Is that talent ?
im sorry to say that you're wrong my fren. I dont blame you if you are not really in the badminton or sport business, playing professional badminton or in the coaching business.

In sports, talent is what really matters most when it comes to the top spot (World Champion, not national champ). The thing that separates player of ranking 1 and 10 (except for TH and those who had stopped and come back after injury) is pure great talents.....:(

The same goes for Tiger Woods, Michael Schumacher, Fernando Alonso, Michael Jordan, Pete Sampras, Roger Federer, Valentino Rossi etc. Do you think the one who ranked 10 in every sport doesnt train as hard or hasnt enough experience or doesnt play the sport as frequent as the no.1??? The answer is NO....:( I've seen too many examples myself in badminton.........wah tired la.....

and yes having a good brain for sports can be labelled as talented.:o not everyone has it. I used to play doubles at national level during school time and i admit that i dont have the great talent like KKK/TBH that in time will bring them to be the world champion .Thats why i quit having the dream of playing profesionally f or MAS. really tired......:o