BAM: Who's the preferred NEW coach?

[alfa2]

I personally would prefer someone that was once a great player to handle MS coaching job. Someone like Zhao Jian Hua or Yang Yang is definitely preferable.....anyway anyone knows what's going on for this two former world champion?:confused::confused::confused:

In my opinion, despite the fact that Li Mao is unquestionable good at coaching the skills, physical fitness, analysing opponents' weakness and planning game strategy for MS. but he may not be an expert when it comes to handling the enormous pressure when playing against or as World No.1 because Li Mao was never on top of the ranking ladder (very crucial because if one can't handle pressure, hell breaks loose in one's game and no matter how good he is, his game is definitely going down the drain:mad::mad::mad:)......and only players like Rexy, ZJH, YY can enlighten LCW or the new bloods in handling the gigantic pressure to be or beat world number 1 because they had been there too and lingered at the sweet spot for years......

I deeply believe that LCW's downfall of lately is due to not being able to manage the pressure and the fear of losing his game as a World Chamipon especially to Lin Dan. When the fear and pressure caught up with LCW, all unforced errors would flow in a natural manner and no matter what he did, everything seemed not going the right way as it should. (thats when all of us got so frustrated and bashed him) It has got nothing to do with LCW's skills, stamina or whatever injury. The case that LCW suffers is totally different from our Yoyo Expert Hafiz (all he needs is to run 400km/day and go to gym 36hrs/day :D:D:D).

Another thing that I've noticed about our MAS players is that they seemed to freak out and lose their concentration as well as consistency of their game when playing under tremendous pressure and team events; e.g. thomas cup/asian games.

[liying_0505]

Hmmm....There's no sign BAM wanna sign a foreigner to coach the MS......

[alfa2]

i guess then we have to go with Rashid rather than his elder brother.

[tjl_vanguard]

rashid is a good choice...
i think he can do something..
his back up squad under him was quite good also wad..

[ck1981]

I would prefer foreign coach like Yang Yang, Han Jian or Zhao Jian Hua.

[meiry]

i think Tong Sinfu.
he was succed when he coach indonesia, now when he is in china,
you can see the result. right?:)

[cheeyf]

i think rashid is suitable since he is a good player n has many experience
julia wong also improve a lot under him
ya i also think tat MAS players lack d mental strenght
they should learn hw 2 handle pressure well

[ants]

Li Mao presence definately has helped alot in the Mens department. No doubt he produces Champions in the past and even helped our LCW into higher ground. But what he did not manage to do is to upgrade and produce great PLAYERS. I say PLAYERS what i mean the others like KBH , HAFIZ and the rest did not manage to step up. For example REXY, he did manage to upgrade our Mens Department OVERALL and not focused only in one pair.
Let you guys decide weather LI Mao is a good coach or not. IMO he is good but not great enough to produce KillerS on court.

[Dreamzz]

Li Mao presence definately has helped alot in the Mens department. No doubt he produces Champions in the past and even helped our LCW into higher ground. But what he did not manage to do is to upgrade and produce great PLAYERS. I say PLAYERS what i mean the others like KBH , HAFIZ and the rest did not manage to step up. For example REXY, he did manage to upgrade our Mens Department OVERALL and not focused only in one pair.
Let you guys decide weather LI Mao is a good coach or not. IMO he is good but not great enough to produce KillerS on court.

well then, who would you say is a great coach?
judging on recent results, i would say rexy and tan kim her are up there as well.
is LYB a good coach, or does he just have some amazing talent in the squad with thousands more waiting to break into the squad.

[alfa2]

Li Mao presence definately has helped alot in the Mens department. No doubt he produces Champions in the past and even helped our LCW into higher ground. But what he did not manage to do is to upgrade and produce great PLAYERS. I say PLAYERS what i mean the others like KBH , HAFIZ and the rest did not manage to step up. For example REXY, he did manage to upgrade our Mens Department OVERALL and not focused only in one pair.
Let you guys decide weather LI Mao is a good coach or not. IMO he is good but not great enough to produce KillerS on court.

two thumbs up !!! thats wat i thought.....and i think BAM was also thinking the same thing, thats the reason why the contract wasnt renewed. BAM was just waiting Li Mao to quit. It's a better, indirect and more polite way to say we dont need you anymore.....

[alfa2]

well then, who would you say is a great coach?
judging on recent results, i would say rexy and tan kim her are up there as well.
is LYB a good coach, or does he just have some amazing talent in the squad with thousands more waiting to break into the squad.

CHI has 1.3 billion ppl and generally chinese has a better gifted talent than malaysian. Just imagine China as brazil in football while Malaysia is some European country.;)

[alfa2]

is Han Jian, Yang yang and Zhao Jian Hua coaching badminton now? If yes, for which country??? NSC and BAM should consider seriously in hiring them to uplift the standard and spirit of MAS MS team..... but its sad to hear that they are heading towards no foreign coach policy.....

LCW + Rashid...... = another legendary player in the making??? what do you all think?

[kwun]

CHI has 1.3 billion ppl and generally chinese has a better gifted talent than malaysian. Just imagine China as brazil in football while Malaysia is some European country.;)

that brings up a really good point.

so why is China so bad with football? football is immensely popular in China, there are almost TV stations dedicated for it (or at least it feels that way). with 1.3billion ppl, surely they can surpass Brazil, or Italy? or Portugal?

[cheeyf]

that brings up a really good point.

so why is China so bad with football? football is immensely popular in China, there are almost TV stations dedicated for it (or at least it feels that way). with 1.3billion ppl, surely they can surpass Brazil, or Italy? or Portugal?

ya true also
maybe it's because it's harder to train a group of people to work together as a team in football.
badminton is more to an individual event
so it is easier
or maybe because they don't have talented football players unlike badminton players which they have a lot untill can export to other countries
hehe:cool:
just my opinion

[alfa2]

that brings up a really good point.

so why is China so bad with football? football is immensely popular in China, there are almost TV stations dedicated for it (or at least it feels that way). with 1.3billion ppl, surely they can surpass Brazil, or Italy? or Portugal?

I did mention that CHI has a better gifted talent in badminton, didnt I? but not in football for CHI.....

[alfa2]

Another reason why LCW needs a new coach with wisdom coz way of playing single is evolving in to double's play.....
http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=40603

[Joyous]

that brings up a really good point.

so why is China so bad with football? football is immensely popular in China, there are almost TV stations dedicated for it (or at least it feels that way). with 1.3billion ppl, surely they can surpass Brazil, or Italy? or Portugal?

Very thought provoking statement. It has been said that majority does not necessary mean right and numbers do not constitute winners. A lot of factors contribute to a nation churning out champions. India's population exceeds a billion and where is India in the world map of sports ???

Besides a talented & successful player need not necessary end up being a good coach. They are already natural talents and may not know to transfer them to others.

[alfa2]

JOyous i agree with you in some part of your arguments. Someone who is an expert mathematician may not b a good math teacher.

[kenny7_2006]

i tot last time in the early 90's, Han Jian, Yang Yang and Zhao Jianhua used to coach Malaysia?? I read the book on MAS' Thomas Cup win in 1992, got lots of old pics, nice book, bt in Malay... hehe...

anyway, for nw i think Rashid would make a decent choice...

[alfa2]

i tot last time in the early 90's, Han Jian, Yang Yang and Zhao Jianhua used to coach Malaysia?? I read the book on MAS' Thomas Cup win in 1992, got lots of old pics, nice book, bt in Malay... hehe...

anyway, for nw i think Rashid would make a decent choice...

yes for Han Jian, but kenny7, are you sure for YY and ZJH as well? does anyone has any idea where are they now? coaching?

[cheekygen]

Don’t blame us for Li Mao’s departure, says Misbun

KUALA TERENGGANU: National coach Misbun Sidek does not want the Sidek brothers to be blamed for the departure of China’s Li Mao.

Misbun quashed suggestions that Li Mao left the Badminton Association of Malaysia (BAM) in a lurch because together with his younger brother, Rashid, they did not allow their players to train together with the other national players.

Misbun trains Mohd Hafiz Hashim while Rashid heads the Project 2010-12 squad, comprising players between 18 and 21 years old.

Li Mao, who was expected to stay on at least until the 2008 Beijing Olympics, has rejoined the South Korean national team. He was able to do so because the BAM and the National Sports Council (NSC) had not renewed his contract, which expired on Dec 31 last year.

Misbun said that it was not right to link Li Mao’s departure to the Sideks.

“Some newspapers have raised this matter. It is not right to make the Sideks look bad. Both Rashid and I have our own specific programmes,” said Misbun.

“I have sent Hafiz for joint sparring sessions several times but he does not get many chances to spar with (Lee) Chong Wei.

“Rashid had worked with the back-up squad for two years and neither was he approached for joint training sessions or asked to promote his players to the national team. Now, these are non-issues.”

Misbun said that a major reshuffle was not needed in the singles coaching set-up following Li Mao’s departure.

“The structure is good. The coaches are there and what we need now is careful planning in the distribution of players – seniors and juniors. One coach can have a mix of seniors and juniors of certain style of play,” he said.

“Li Mao’s absence will not make any difference because a player like Chong Wei has already reached a high level of play.

“But I am open to whatever decisions taken by the BAM. Ultimately, I am here to serve and groom players who can achieve good results for the country.”

One of the options for the BAM is to have all three coaches – Misbun, Rashid and Wong Tat Meng – handling a mix of seniors and juniors. Misbun is expected to get several juniors to train together with Hafiz.

A decision will be made at the BAM exco meet on Wednesday.

Source taken from www.thestar.com.my (February 12, 2007)

[alfa2]

Is the news of the new coach released dy by BAM?

[Cheung]

Hate to say this but M'sian badminton is one of the realistic chances of getting a medal at the Olympics despite the Asian Games disappointment. I am very disappointed for M'sia to see Li Mao leave under such unneccesary circumstances.

As for Ants comments on Li Mao producing killers on court....he did wonders to Lee Hyun Il and Sho Sheung Mo.

Regarding the foreign coach vs home coach issue, logic should prevail...you should get the right coach who would be the best coach at the time. This is regardless of nationality.

[ants]

At the moment there are no news yet who will take over. The AGM is still discussing over the matter. I do agree with Cheung that LI Mao indeed did wonders to Sheung Mo and Hyun Il. Li Mao's departure from BAM is indeed a great lost. Its better to have him than not to have him at all. Whoever will be the next Singles coach.. i wish him all the best. And hope he will do well in moulding our singles department.

[ixory]

Ants,today BAM will announce Mas single coach, right?.Whoever takes that post ,wish all the best and hope he'll bring light to Mas Men single.;)

[Armotec500]

yes for Han Jian, but kenny7, are you sure for YY and ZJH as well? does anyone has any idea where are they now? coaching?
Yang Yang used to coach MAS MS from early to mid 90's including when MAS win TC 1992 when Rashid beat ZJH if i'm not mistaken...As i remember, ZJH was never been a coach for MAS MS before...

[alfa2]

Regarding the foreign coach vs home coach issue, logic should prevail...you should get the right coach who would be the best coach at the time. This is regardless of nationality.

yeah. winning is more important than who is the coach.

[ixory]

Tat Meng appointed new national men’s singles coach
By RAJES PAUL

KUALA LUMPUR: There were three candidates in the running for the job of national men’s singles coach to replace Li Mao of China. And the one least expected to win, Wong Tat Meng, got the appointment yesterday.
Tat Meng, who has been the coach of the national women's singles players for the last two years, will now take care of all but one of the elite men's singles players as well.
Mohd Hafiz Hashim will continue training under Misbun Sidek, who had also been considered for Li Mao’s post.
Besides Hafiz, Misbun has also been put in charge of four juniors from Rashid Sidek's Project 2010-12 – Chan Kwong Beng, Lok Chong Chieh, Zairul Hafiz Zainuddin and Syed Akhbar Mustakim. All four had recently been promoted from the Bukit Jalil Sports School.
Misbun's squad will be based at the national training centre in Bukit Jalil and will train together with the players under Tat Meng's charge.
Rashid will continue to head the Project squad, who are based at the Juara Stadium in Bukit Kiara here. He is expected to take charge of the elite squad after the Beijing Olympics next year.
The BAM exco, led by Datuk Nadzmi Mohd Salleh, announced the decisions after a two-hour meeting yesterday.
Nadzmi said that the decision to choose Tat Meng was to minimise disruptions to the men's singles programme, especially ahead of the World Championships scheduled for Aug 13-19 at the Putra Stadium in Bukit Jalil.
“Tat Meng has been religiously following Li Mao for the last two years and he knows the style of Li Mao's coaching. We have decided to give him the opportunity to lead the singles squad,” said Nadzmi.
“We have asked for the players' opinion too and they wanted minimal disruptions to their training programme.
“Players like (Lee) Chong Wei and (Wong) Choong Hann have already reached a high standard of play and we find that Tat Meng will be the ideal person to run the singles squad without causing any disruptions.”
On why Rashid and Misbun were not picked, Nadzmi said: “We do not want to open a new battlefront. Rashid said it would take five to six months for him to adapt. There are bound to be changes and it may affect the players' preparation for the world championships. It was the same with Misbun.”
On the decision to put several back-up players under Misbun's charge, Nadzmi said that it was not a promotion.
“Misbun has agreed to help out Rashid by taking charge of several back-up players. He will train them on a full-time basis and they will be based in Bukit Jalil. But they will still be considered as Project squad players,” he said.
Nadzmi added that there would be more joint sparring sessions among the groups under Tat Meng, Misbun and Rashid and national chief coach Yap Kim Hock would make all the arrangements.
“We believe that joint training sessions are crucial for the players' progress,” he said.
On the under-achieving senior players, Nadzmi said that Tat Meng would decide on the fate of three of them – James Chua, Yeoh Kay Bin and K. Yogendran – after the world championships.
He added that the back-up shuttlers would be given equal attention.
“If the coaches feel that a back-up player is ready, even for the Thomas Cup Finals, we will consider him,” said Nadzmi.
Meanwhile, Nadzmi also said that the contracts of all the coaches had been revised and reviewed and they would be handed out to them after the Chinese New Year.




Hope he can bring MAS MS more stronger than before.All the best to him.Congratulation.;)

[ants]

TheStar
KUALA LUMPUR: Wong Tat Meng received an early birthday gift yesterday when he was appointed as the new national men’s singles coach.

He replaces Li Mao, who left to rejoin the Korean national team last month. It will be the biggest challenge in his coaching career. And Tat Meng, who will turn 40 on March 8, said that he was ready for the task.

“After the Korean Open, I was asked to be the caretaker coach of the men's singles players. Yesterday, I was asked if I was ready to assume the role of the coach,” said Tat Meng.

“It was a big decision but I did not hesitate to take it up. It is a chance that a local coach cannot say no to. For me, it is a big recognition.”

As a player, his best achievements were emerging as the runner-up to Foo Kok Keong in the 1988 and 1989 national championships. His best international achievement was being a member of the team who won the gold medal in the 1989 Kuala Lumpur SEA Games.

Tat Meng quit the national team after he failed to make the squad for the 1992 Thomas Cup Finals in which Malaysia emerged as the champions.

He went into private coaching before being hired as the singles coach for the Bukit Jalil Sports School (BJSS) in 2002.

After two years, the BAM appointed him as the national women's singles coach – handling only one player, Wong Mew Choo. At the same time, he assisted Li Mao in training the men's players.

“I have learnt a lot from Li Mao on the technical part of the game, analysis and most importantly, how to manage the players,” he said.

The first task for Tat Meng is to have a discussion with the other singles coach, Misbun Sidek and the Project 2010-12 chief coach, Rashid Sidek, to plan their training schedules.

“I have no problem at all working with Misbun and Rashid,” he said.

“We will make arrangements for joint training sessions and see how we can accommodate senior players like (Lee) Chong Wei in sparring with the back-up players.

“We do not want to over-strain the seniors but at the same time, we want the best for the juniors. We will work it out.”

[tjl_vanguard]

hahaha... always got ppl faster than me to post latest news!!!! nvm next time i will be faster than all of you haha... btw it din really surprised me actually haha

[soleha]

It was a suprise decition by BAM.. bdw,i hope WTM can make the players especially LCW improve....

[taufikk]

Well, it is a good choice but I was really hoping for Rashid..but i guess BAM knows better

[alfa2]

whoever gets the job oso nvm, as long as the player gives us a gold during AE.:eek::eek::eek::eek: