Just read the latest Tabloid Bola (27/2):
Taufik Hidayat decided not to participate in All England as a symbol of protest... It happen that last december, PBSI forbid the players to compete in Papua (it is said that it is not an exhibition game or simulation), but 7 players (Luluk, Alven, Flandy, Markis, Rendra, Yoga, n Yoke) decided to go to Papua, maybe because they will be given 20-70 million rupiah if they do *Money again:mad: *... However, Taufik who was also interested, decided not to go because PBSI forbid him to do so... For that, PBSI decided to punish those 7 players, but Taufik think that PBSI is not consistent... He thinks that PBSI should not let them compete in Malaysia and Korea Open (because the incident happen in December i think:confused: ), but it happen that PBSI decided not to let them compete in Swiss Open... So, Taufik protested, and decided not to participate in All England, a tournament that he never won in his life... *Kinda stupid decision I think:mad: , he should go to All England*

For further info, just read the latest tabloid Bola (the cover is the pic of Tomas Rosicky) or visit bolanews.com... Hopefully someone will kindly translate the whole article to everyone:D ...

Interesting news..I really hope that Taufik will change his mind. His age is catching up and he should really take part to boost his chances of winning the title than playing the upcoming All-England tournaments. Good luck Taufik!

:( So it is true then... that's a real shame, I've lost a huge amount of interest in this years All England now. He'd better change his mind real quick!

aha, so no Taufik for the AE.
does anyone know for sure whether Markis, Hendra, Flandy and co will be banned from the AE as well?

27/2 is tomorrow man... how could you read it now?

27/2 is tomorrow man... how could you read it now?
time zone difference and online edition may be available earlier than printed edition?
edit: they are about 7 hours ahead of western europe

NO!!!
I bet Lin Dan is laughing now :P :D
I do hope he changes his mind, this protest is more of a disadvantage to him than the PBSI - he wants to win AE very badly from what i heard.

NO!!!
I bet Lin Dan is laughing now :P :D
I do hope he changes his mind, this protest is more of a disadvantage to him than the PBSI - he wants to win AE very badly from what i heard.

ah, i doubt LD really cares too much. TH has only beaten him once recently, in the AG, and though most of the games have been pretty close, i tend to think that LD kinda enjoys playing against TH. you never know what that boy's gonna do ....

still, LD is relieved... another player who defeated him in big tourneys is gone.. i hope taufik changes his mind.. nothing will happen if he protests against PBSI... all he needs for the AE 2007 is the personal glory...

When Taufik plays well, he can beat anyone. If he feels that he can win, he usually will. I think LD would be relieved to hear that TH is not playing - TH is one of, if not the biggest threat.

i can't see his practice effort wasted.... his 2 months of training all for nothing...

I think Taufik is an idiot he behaves like a big baby. It's a shame really because he is one of the most naturally talented players to ever lift a racquet. The all England has got so much heritage and would complete his list of the major's. Maybe he is not in that great a shape so he could be making up excuses, I am only speculating but it is quite possible and sad that his best days might be behind him. I hope he proves me wrong. He could take a leaf out of Lin Dan's book and be a better professional after all he is a sportsman not a Politician.

but 7 players (Luluk, Alven, Flandy, Markis, Rendra, Yoga, n Yoke) decided to go to Papua, maybe because they will be given 20-70 million rupiah if they do *Money again:mad: *...

For further info, just read the latest tabloid Bola (the cover is the pic of Tomas Rosicky) or visit bolanews.com... Hopefully someone will kindly translate the whole article to everyone:D ...

Djarum players went there too. All went for *money*.

Has he officially drawn him self out of the AE?

...i've scoured the internet & local INA-based web portals(newspaper), to look for this news, but i couldn't find it. Even the one at bolanews.com...I'll try to find out abt this and keep you guys updated..so stay tune..;):cool:

...i've scoured the internet & local INA-based web portals(newspaper), to look for this news, but i couldn't find it. Even the one at bolanews.com...I'll try to find out abt this and keep you guys updated..so stay tune..;):cool:

True. it's not on bolanews.com yet. Chris, waiting for your *good* (the rumour is not true or he will change his mind) news. ;)

We already miss CH and LHI, and now TH too. Sigh :mad:

I think Haifz is the person who should delighted most, since he got TH on the 1st round draw. LOL :p Go Hafiz Go!!!

PBSI and Taufik are the Drama Queens of Badminton. :p :D :D

PBSI and Taufik are the Drama Queens of Badminton. :p :D :D

What about LYB?:D:D:D:D

Such sad news.

I hope that one day, top Badminton players can break away from their National Associations, and play as individuals representing just themselves.

Sports and Politics should not be mixed together.

We want to watch good matches, regardless of what National Associations think.

Cheers... chris@ccc

Such sad news.

I hope that one day, top Badminton players can break away from their National Associations, and play as individuals representing just themselves.

Politics and Sports should not be mixed together.

We want to watch good matches, regardless of what National Associations think.

Cheers... chris@ccc

Sad to say it won't happen until national associations stop funding player development/expenses at the higher levels.

this is getting really old really fast...

Taufik is, like his fans love to say, unbeattable...

because he never participates:p

this is getting really old really fast...

Taufik is, like his fans love to say, unbeattable...

because he never participates:p
LOL, good one and a valid statement too.

What about LYB?:D:D:D:D

he is just a dictator.

me neither, i couldn't find any news yet about that. i still think that TH is still on the title

What about LYB?:D:D:D:D

LYB is the Drama King. :p

What....Taufik will cancel his participation in this year AE? Very unlikely...Man.

He is very determined to bring the AE thropy home ...He will be there surely!!!! He is very serious.

Rumors are NOT true!

AE will just be as prestigious as before even if TH chooses not to go. If it's true that he had made this decision, he's got to be true to himself why he did so. Don't think I would want to judge him.
The rest of the players - don't think that they are so childish as to celebrate at another player's absence.

Taufik Protes, Taufik Mundur

Taufik Hidayat kembali membuat berita besar. Dia memilih mundur dari turnamen All England. Pengunduran peraih medali emas Olimpiade Athena 2004 dan Asian Games Busan 2002 dan Doha 2006 itu sebagai bentuk protes terhadap PB PBSI. Kenapa?

Gonjang-ganjing itu sebenarnya sudah lama tercium BOLA. Taufik memilih absen dari turnamen sangat bergengsi All England Super Series di National Indoor Arena (NIA) Birmingham, 6-11 Maret. “Saya memang mengundurkan diri,” jelas Taufik pada acara selamatan empat bulan kehamilan sang istri, Ami Gumelar, di Jakarta, Sabtu (24/2) pagi.

Alasan pemain berusia 25 tahun itu karena PBSI tidak tegas menyangkut skorsing terhadap sejumlah pemain yang nekat bertanding di Papua, akhir Desember. Padahal, saat itu induk organisasi bulutangkis nasional tersebut telah melarang. “PBSI tidak tegas. Makanya saya memilih mundur,” ujarnya.

Kronologinya, kala itu Pengda PBSI Papua mengundang sejumlah pemain Pelatnas Cipayung untuk bertanding di Jayapura. Sebagai bentuk imbalannya, mereka diberikan uang saku yang jumlahnya sangat variatif. Menurut pemain yang enggan disebut namanya, mereka mendapat bayaran mulai dari 20 juta hingga 70 juta rupiah.

“Bahkan uang saku itu sebagian malah sudah ditransfer ke rekening pemain,” tutur sumber yang tidak mau disebutkan namanya.

Sementara itu pemain yang lain mengaku dia tidak menerima uang lewat transfer bank, tetapi langsung ketika di Jayapura. “Saya malah menerima uang 25 juta rupiah langsung di sana,” sebut pemain yang lain.

Namun, karena bukan berupa pertandingan eksibisi atau simulasi, PBSI pun melarang. Akhirnya Taufik pun menaati aturan PBSI dan memilih tidak tampil di Papua meskipun sebelumnya dikabarkan dia sempat ngotot untuk tetap berangkat.

Cuma, setidaknya ada tujuh pemain yang nekat pergi. Larangan PBSI itu diabaikan begitu saja. Mereka adalah Luluk Hadiyanto, Alven Yulianto, Flandy Limpele, Markis Kido, Rendra Wijaya, Yoga Ukikasah, dan Yonathan Suryatama.

Sanksi Tak Tegas

Setelah itu soal sanksi terhadap pemain yang membelot itu berlarut-larut. PBSI menurut pemain tidak segera tanggap untuk menjatuhkan hukuman. Padahal, kejuaraan bulutangkis internasional sudah mulai bergulir awal Januari dengan menggelar Malaysia dan Korea Super Series.

“PBSI seharusnya meniru sepakbola. Pemain yang kena kartu merah di pertandingan tidak bisa tampil di pertandingan berikutnya. Kalau itu ditegakkan, saya kira tidak perlu berlarut-larut sampai sekarang,” tutur salah satu pemain di Cipayung, Jumat lalu.

Pemain ini menyebut kalau pebulutangkis yang bertanding ke Papua itu dilarang dikirim ke Malaysia Super Series, segalanya akan beres. Pelatnas Cipayung tidak akan bergejolak. Ujung-ujungnya, pemogokan seperti yang dilakukan Taufik tidak akan terjadi.

“Ya, begitulah PBSI. Mau menghukum saja harus memilih-milih turnamen. Kalau tegas, semua juga beres,” sebutnya.

Taufik pun sebenarnya ngotot agar sanksi diberikan kepada tujuh pemain tersebut di ajang All England. Artinya, pemain tersebut jangan dikirim ke Birmingham. Ini dengan pertimbangan bahwa sanksi keras itu akan membuat pemain jera. Tetapi, PBSI dengan berbagai pertimbangan memilih tetap mengirim ke All England dan tidak menyertakan mereka ke Swiss Super Series, sepekan kemudian.

Taufik pun patah arang. Sebagai bentuk protes, dia pun memilih mengundurkan diri dari arena yang belum juga memberikan gelar juara itu.

Siapa yang salah dan siapa yang benar bak menentukan lebih dulu mana telur dengan ayam. Inilah gonjang-ganjing terbaru yang melanda di saat perbulutangkisan nasional tengah terpuruk! (Broto Happy W./Erly Bahtiar)

Lius Pongoh
Soal Uang, Pemain Bandel

http://www.bolanews.com/edisi-cetak/12b.jpg “Tidak benar kami tidak tegas. Mengapa skorsing itu tidak segera diberikan karena banyak hal,” sebut Ketua Bidang Pembinaan dan Prestasi PB PBSI, Lius Pongoh.

Menurut Lius, sebenarnya rapat pengurus untuk membicarakan soal skorsing itu sudah dilakukan awal tahun. Namun, karena waktunya mepet dengan pelaksanaan Malaysia dan Korea Super Series, akhirnya tertunda. Selain itu karena ada reshuffle pengurus PB PBSI, terutama pergantian sekjen dari M.F. Siregar kepada Suwandi.

Karena tertunda-tunda, akhirnya rapat memutuskan bahwa sanksi dijatuhkan dengan tidak mengirimkan pemain bersangkutan ke Swiss Super Series, 13-18 Maret. “Ini keputusan pengurus, bukan keputusan saya sendiri dan mengikat kepada semua pemain,” sebut Si Bola Karet ini.

Apabila keputusan ini tidak bisa diterima Taufik Hidayat, Lius pun tidak bisa berbuat banyak. “Kalau Taufik memilih mundur dari All England, ya terserah dia. Mau bagaimana lagi?” ujarnya.

Lius mengakui Taufik memang bukan milik organisasi PBSI. Namun, karena saat ini posisinya adalah pemain Pelatnas Cipayung, maka dengan sendiri dia harus taat dengan aturan organisasi bulutangkis nasional.

“Atlet tidak bisa mengatur atau menyetir organisasi. Soal sanksi ini sekali lagi saya tegaskan bukan teritorial atlet,” sebutnya.

Dituturkan mantan juara Indonesia Terbuka 1981 dan 1984 itu, kalau sudah bicara soal uang, pemain-pemain begitu bersemangat. Tak heran, begitu ada undangan dan menyediakan uang saku dari Papua, mereka tidak lagi mengindahkan aturan.

“Kalau sudah bicara uang anak-anak itu memang bandel. Mereka beranggapan tidak apa-apa, yang penting sapu saja. Kalau ada duit, mereka langsung pergi saja. Padahal, mereka bukan anak-anak kecil lagi,” sebut Lius.

“Karena itu skorsing tetap harus ditegakkan. Apa yang dilakukan pemain ke Papua itu tidak benar. Kalau tidak diberi sanksi, bisa-bisa nanti PBSI tidak dianggap lagi,” tegas Lius. (bhw)

Both Sources were taken from Bolanews (27/02/2007)

Can you roughly summarise what the 2 articles are abt? Thanks. :D

What???:eek: :eek: :eek: Taufik not parcitipate in AE?.Really childish.Why he wanna do tat kind of action??really not a mature action.What happen to PBSI and Indonesian Badminton nowadays:confused: !??!!.

:eek: that guy gave the journalists the Dr. Evil finger:eek:

:eek: that guy gave the journalists the Dr. Evil finger:eek:


Without Taufik, Hafiz will rig havoc in the AE 07. He will be going for bigger things. Even if he does not win the AE, he would create chances for LCW by taking out some Chinese. With PG taking out at least one Chinese, it will create LCW a very good opportunity.

Wonderful, wonderful ! LCW is looking good for this. Li Mao will regret making his decision of joining the Koreans, which has nary chances.

What....Taufik will cancel his participation in this year AE? Very unlikely...Man.

He is very determined to bring the AE thropy home ...He will be there surely!!!! He is very serious.

Rumors are NOT true!

Sorry for all TH's diehard fans this surprising news is not rumour/gossip but true story even BOLA (very credible source) have released article about his withdrawal in Tuesday edition.

The main theme of TH's cancellation is all about money/reward and punishment, PBSI postponed to give hard sanction for those shuttlers (7) who still determined to play in Jayapura. PBSI choose Suisse SS for the absentee of those 7 players (Luluk-Alvent-Markis-Flandy-Rendra-Yoga-Yonathan) as sanction/suspension. But TH protested that PBSI should be to forbid them not to compete in Birmingham.

OoO, seems All England title just a dream for our TH?! Is TH a idealist type who wants 'fair situation' that PBSI hard to realize it? Who will receive the suddenly advantage from TH's unbelieveable decision this time?? His arch-rival absolutely.

Bad news for some = good news for others. Now what if something prevents LD from performing, the scenario would be even more interesting.

Sometimes evil thots are interesting :)

taufik retires from the tournament that he wants very badly to win... bad sign

i feel taufik will quit from pelatnas soon.

singapore, here he comes :)

Sorry for all TH's diehard fans this surprising news is not rumour/gossip but true story even BOLA (very credible source) have released article about his withdrawal in Tuesday edition.

The main theme of TH's cancellation is all about money/reward and punishment, PBSI postponed to give hard sanction for those shuttlers (7) who still determined to play in Jayapura. PBSI choose Suisse SS for the absentee of those 7 players (Luluk-Alvent-Markis-Flandy-Rendra-Yoga-Yonathan) as sanction/suspension. But TH protested that PBSI should be to forbid them not to compete in Birmingham.

OoO, seems All England title just a dream for our TH?! Is TH a idealist type who wants 'fair situation' that PBSI hard to realize it? Who will receive the suddenly advantage from TH's unbelieveable decision this time?? His arch-rival absolutely.

I heard that too. He will change his mind...don't worry....He will play in AE.
The show must go on.....

Taufik to miss All England amid reports of camp squabble


Primastuti Handayani, The Jakarta Post

Two-time All England finalist Taufik Hidayat of Indonesia has pulled out of this year's tournament amid reports of an internal squabble at the national training camp.

The Badminton Association of Indonesia (PBSI) official in charge of training, Lius Pongoh, told The Jakarta Post on Monday that Taufik's coach Mulyo Handoyo confirmed late last week the decision but failed to provide a reason.
"We still have his ticket and hotel reservations. But Mulyo has said that Taufik will not compete at the All England," Lius said.
Taufik refused to confirm his absence, saying: "Please ask Lius (Pongoh) or (national training camp chief) Christian (Hadinata). I won't say anything until they make statements on the matter."
"I will only give my response after they tell the press their version of events," he told the Post.
Taufik was only 17 when he reached his first All England final. He had the chance to become the youngest ever champion at the tournament -- breaking the record of Rudy Hartono of Indonesia who won the title at the age of 18 -- but he lost to Peter Gade of Denmark. He reached the final a year later, but again failed to win the title.
Taufik said he had been focused on the March 6-11 tournament, the lone title not in his collection, for the past month.
"I want it badly but now I am facing this," he said.
Sources at the training camp said it all began with Taufik's demand that doubles players Markis Kido, Luluk Hadiyanto, Alvent Yulianto and Flandy Limpele be banned from competing in two tournaments after they took part in an event in Papua last December without the PBSI's consent.
PBSI officials decided the doubles players would not be allowed to compete in the Swiss Open next month, but would be allowed to take part in the All England, which is a six-star Super Series event and part of the 2008 Olympic Games qualifying.
The decision reportedly upset the Olympic and two-time Asian Games champion and he threatened to pull out of the All England unless PBSI changed course.
Lius said PBSI has yet to send a letter to the Badminton World Federation informing them of Taufik's absence from the All England.
"It doesn't matter if we tell the BWF now or later because the draw has already been finalized and we will be fined US$250 according to the regulations," he said. Based on the BWF draw last week, Taufik would meet Muhd. Hafiz Hashim of Malaysia, who won the All England in 2003, in the first round. He then had a potential showdown with compatriot Sony Dwi Kuncoro in the second round. If Taufik advanced, he would have likely faced world champion Lin Dan of China in the third round.

taufik retires from the tournament that he wants very badly to win... bad sign

i feel taufik will quit from pelatnas soon.

singapore, here he comes :)

That's the thing that I love very very much from a man named Taufik Hidayat:D :D :D . Very unpredictable in many things (bad and good)...:)

I heard that too. He will change his mind...don't worry....He will play in AE.
The show must go on.....

ya...PBSI should cancel those seven players to participate in ALL ENGLAND..

TAufik is better than those seven players :D :p

taufik knew all along about pbsi's hypocrisy and corruption but he continue to play with them on a mutual benefit basis but now he cries foul. If u play with the devil u will eventually screw by the devil. Others (tony, mia, rexy manaky, marleve Manaky, ardy, etc) chose to exit pbsi instead.

If TH really wanna change things in INA badminton, he should do well in badminton and retire early and get elected into the INA sport council's top job. Then u can screw pbsi back and clean things up. What he's doing now is making enemies with pbsi and team players, and give worries to INA sport council. It would be hard to land a top governement job with these behavioral records.

ya...PBSI should cancel those seven players to participate in ALL ENGLAND..

TAufik is better than those seven players :D :p

Agree...this is a very exciting and interesting "fight" between TH vs the 7 musketeers hiding at the back of their father (PBSI). The father prefers protecting the 7 musketeers and closing the door for grabing an AE MS title to punishing them as demanded by the bad boy.

Is TH really a bad boy? Time will tell.....

We already miss CH and LHI, and now TH too. Sigh :mad:

I think Haifz is the person who should delighted most, since he got TH on the 1st round draw. LOL :p Go Hafiz Go!!!

Haha true, I guess if TH really doesn't go, I will cheer on Hafiz in his place :D.

taufik knew all along about pbsi's hypocrisy and corruption but he continue to play with them on a mutual benefit basis but now he cries foul. If u play with the devil u will eventually screw by the devil. Others (tony, mia, rexy manaky, marleve Manaky, ardy, etc) chose to exit pbsi instead.

If TH really wanna change things in INA badminton, he should do well in badminton and retire early and get elected into the INA sport council's top job. Then u can screw pbsi back and clean things up. What he's doing now is making enemies with pbsi and give worries to INA sport council. It would be hard to land a top governement job with these records.

ya.. MR agum has retired from INA sport council, taufik has no 'backup' to fight againts the 'evil' in ina sport (PBSI), he has made hostile front againts PBSi and those seven players.. wow.. he will 'get killed' :D :D

I feel Taufik again is acting like a spoilt brat and cry baby. As Lius Pongoh (the PBSI administaror in the article) says players cannot and must not dictate and direct PBSI policy. Taufik should mind his own business and I feel he is acting like a real "bastard" in regard to the players that he wants banned from All England. How would you feel towards Taufik if you were one of these players. If your traing mate and peer at Pelatnas is pressuring PBSI to ban them from All England what does that say about player solidarity? What's in it for Taufik? How is PBSI's policy remotely concerns Taufik? Does Taufik consider himself to be the moral guardian of Indonesian badminton?

I feel this attitude by Taufik is nothing but a smokescreen to hide the fact that Taufik is not confident with his form to win All England this year.

I feel this attitude by Taufik is nothing but a smokescreen to hide the fact that Taufik is not confident with his form to win All England this year.
yes, i think so too. I do not think this TH action was done purely on principal ground. He recognized that he cannot get back to the old form like in 2004 -2005 era. Why not kill 3 birds with 1 stone?:D
Why 3? by not playing enough super series, his draw in 2008 olympic would be unfavorable rendering a poor chance of winning 08 OG, he would have a good explanation for failing or even backing out that one too.

ya...PBSI should cancel those seven players to participate in ALL ENGLAND..

TAufik is better than those seven players :D :p

Totally disagree. Who is TH to question his team mates decisions?
I thought the article indicated his wife's pregnant so maybe he prefer to extend his wedding anniversary indefinitely than go all the way to cold AE to lose, maybe even in the first round!
TH may be the most gifted in badminton but if he's also the laziest, he's dust.
TH should just quit so other INA MS have the opportunity to rise.

the thing is taufik wanted to go to papua as well... but he decided not to go to papua. in that time he might thing to prepare for AE, but then he realized that his mates got some money there...

so he was angry to him self for didn't go to papua. he might wanted to show his mates that he could control "his organization"

...well, folks, what can i say...WOW!!:rolleyes: :confused: ...Here we go again and this time, i have a feeling it could turn real ugly:p:rolleyes: ...After reading the 2 articles quickly, it seems like Taufik's old self is rearing its ugly head again...But this time, who will fold and give in?? Taufik or PBSI??..Remember, the last time something similar happened with Taufik was during his clash with former PBSI's Head of Player Development & Affair, Icuk Sugiarto....

The interesting part in this is that, he's close buddy, Flandy was also in the group which went to Papua. Hmmm, all this doesn't make much sense. And Taufik is now blaming PBSI for his excuse for pulling out of the AE??..:confused::p

Btw, i haven't seen this report in other official INA-based newspaper portals, but looks like the news is true..:confused: :rolleyes:
Thanks, babonimut, for providing the article. Now, can anyone help us in translating it??(ie. indra, babonimut, DoublesPlayer, Krisna or others);) :cool: ..although the Jakarta Post's version, above, is good also, here's the link: http://www.thejakartapost.com/detailsports.asp?fileid=20070227.U01&irec=0 ..:)

Source: www.bolanews.com
Translated by: babonimut

Taufik protested, Taufik pulled out


Taufik Hidayat created a sensational news again. he had chosen to pull out from the All England tournament. The withdrawal of 2004 Athens Olympics gold medalist and 2002 Busan and 2006 Doha Asian Games gold medalists was as a form of protest towards the Indonesian Badminton Association (PB PBSI). Why?

The tribulation has actually been sensed earlier by BOLA. Taufik chose to be absent from the prestigious tournament, All England Super Series at the National Indoor Arena (NIA) Birmingham, 6-11 March 2007. "I indeed pulled out, " explained Taufik at the function celebrating the fourth month pregnancy of his wife, Ami Gumelar, at Jakarta, on Saturday (24/2) morning.

The 25-year-old player reasoned out that PBSI was not strict in disciplinary actions towards some players who dared to compete at a tournament at Papua at the end of December 2006. In reality, PBSI had forbidden them of taking part. "PBSI was too lax. That is why I decided to pull out," said he.

Chronologically, PBSI's Papua district officials invited some Cipayung National Training Centre's players to compete in a tournament at Jayapura. Jayapura is the capital of Papua province. As a reward, they were paid with cash in various amounts. According to a player who refused to be named, they were paid with cash in sums from Rp.20 million to Rp.70 million.

"Even some of the pocket money had been transferred to the players' bank account," explained the source who refused to be named.

Meanwhile, another player admitted that he/she did not receive the money via bank transfer, but directly received it when he was at Jayapura. "I even received cash of Rp.25 million directly on site," said another player.

However, PBSI prohibitted because the tournament was not an exhibition or simulation. Taufik eventually abided with PBSI's rule and chose not to compete in Papua eventhough previously he reportedly insisted of going.

There were at least seven players who went. The PBSI's ruling was just simply ignored. They were Luluk Hadiyanto, Alven Yulianto, Flandy Limpele, Markis Kido, Rendra Wijaya, Yoga Ukikasah, and Yonathan Suryatama.

Sanction not strict

After that sanction towards those PBSI defying players found no end. According to the players, PBSI was not quick to impose sanction. What was more, the international tournaments commenced in early January with Malaysia and Korea Super Series.

"PBSI should have imitate soccer. Player who was red-carded in a match cannot play in the next match. If they impose the ruling strictly, I think the matter should not have been dragged till now," said a player at Cipayung on last Friday.

That player mentioned that if only those offending players were banned from participating in Malaysia Super Series, everything should have been settled. Cipayung Trainign Centre would not be in such a chaos. Subsequently, Taufik's boycott would not happen.

"Yes, that's what PBSI is. Still need to choose a tournament to enforce its sanction. If only it's strict, everything would be ok," said he.

As a matter of fact, Taufik insisted that those seven players were banned from taking part in All England. That implied that those players would not be sent to Birmingham. This was done with consideration that the serious sanction would deter those players from repeating the same act. But, PBSI with all its consideration chose to still send the players to All England and banned them from Swiss Super Series, a week later.

Taufik eventually frustrated. As a form of protest, he chose to withdraw from the tournament which was illuding him till now.

Determining who was wrong and who was right was just like determining which one came first: egg or chicken. This was the latest tribulation which shook up the deteriorating Indonesian badminton! (Broto Happy W./Erly Bahtiar)

I do agree with PBSI's firmness as to who should call the shots. PBSI is probably looking at the interest of all players and not just one. In any organisation, unity is a top priority. An incident like this has nothing to do with principle but rather what benefit would one derived from it.

Source: www.bolanews.com
Translated by: babonimut
..in translating, babonimut...now we have 2 different articles/translations.:D;)

the thing is taufik wanted to go to papua as well... but he decided not to go to papua. in that time he might thing to prepare for AE, but then he realized that his mates got some money there...

so he was angry to him self for didn't go to papua. he might wanted to show his mates that he could control "his organization"

It's not about the money...Rp. 25-70 million is nothing for TH...

Source: www.bolanews.com
Translated by: babonimut

Lius Pongoh
For the sake of money, players defied

"It is not true that we are not stringent. Why the sanction was not immediately imposed was caused by many factors," mentioned PBSI's chief of development and performance sector, Lius Pongoh.

According to Lius, The official meeting to discuss about the sanction had actually been carried out early this year. However, it was postponed due to the fast coming Malaysia and Korea Super Series. Besides, there were also some resuffles in PB PBSI's officials, especially the appointment of Suwandi as the new PB PBSI's secretary general replacing M.F. Siregar.

Because of the delay, the meeting was concluded with a decision not to send the offending players to Swiss Super Series, 11-18 March 2007. "This was decided by all officials, not just my own decision and binding to all players," said Lius who was affectionately called "The rubber ball".

If this decision could not be accepted by Taufik Hidayat, Lius could not do much. "If taufik decided to pull out from All England, it would be entirely up to him. What to do?" said he.

Lius admitted that Taufik did not belong to PBSI. However, due to the fact that he was Cipayung Training Centre player, he had to abide with the rules and regulation of the Indonesian Badminton Association.

"Athlete cannot control or stir an organisation. I stressed once more that determining sanction does not fall under the athlete's jurisdiction," stated he.

The 1981 and 1984 Indonesian Open former champion explained that the players were so enthusiastic whenever money was involved. No wonder, when there was an invitation and cash rewards from Papua, they ignored the binding rules and regulation.

"The kids are indeed stubborn whenever money is involved. They assume nothing could happen to them, just do it. If there is money, they just go. In reality, they are no longer small kids," mentioned Lius.

"Because of that, sanction remains enforced. What the players have done by going to Papua is not right. If sanction not given, I'm afraid PBSI would lose its credibility and authority," stressed Lius. (bhw)

ya...PBSI should cancel those seven players to participate in ALL ENGLAND..

TAufik is better than those seven players :D :p

Indonesia is not Taufik. Yes , Taufik is currently the most polular player in Indonesia, but PBSI don't really care. And if he quit the team, most likely he will not go to Spore.

Poor Taufik... :crying:

Well, i do hope he will play in the All England but things are often beyond our control.No matter what his decision,he is still one of the great player in my heart.

haha. Taufik never cease to be Taufik. :D

- one the one hand, he does have his reasons.
- but on the other hand, PBSI did try to make a compromise by banning them from Swiss Open.
- does it really matter if it is the next tournament, or the one after that? why not just enroll them in German Open and banned them from German Open?
- Taufik is making more enemies in the team, no? i don't know what those 7 players will think of him now.

haha. Taufik never cease to be Taufik. :D

- one the one hand, he does have his reasons.
- but on the other hand, PBSI did try to make a compromise by banning them from Swiss Open.
- does it really matter if it is the next tournament, or the one after that? why not just enroll them in German Open and banned them from German Open?
- Taufik is making more enemies in the team, no? i don't know what those 7 players will think of him now.
wonder whats taufik thinking?? i dun think this is the way he sould protest...
his teammates must be pissed at him..

Pissed is an understatement, if I were them I would be furious!

Everybody seems to blame TH....

TH has lots of things at stake , being "sacked" from Pelatnas, loss of popularity, loss of team mates, being called a bad boy, loss of opportunities of winning the title he has wanted so much, or whatever you name it....However, he has never backed down. I have always seen it differently. He is very outspoken, straightforward. His attitude with regard to unfairness is very consistent. He always refuses to back down on a point of principle.
PBSI needs players and people like him to regain the glory of Indonesian badminton.

Now...the ball is on the PBSI's court.

Man...I like him even more now!!!!

Hahha Indra is very Vocal too.. like his Idol. :)

Everybody seems to blame TH....

TH has lots of things at stake , being "sacked" from Pelatnas, loss of popularity, loss of team mates, being called a bad boy, loss of opportunities of winning the title he has wanted so much, or whatever you name it....However, he has never backed down. I have always seen it differently. He is very outspoken, straightforward. His attitude with regard to unfairness is very consistent. He always refuses to back down on a point of principle.
PBSI needs players and people like him to regain the glory of Indonesian badminton.

Now...the ball is on the PBSI's court.

Man...I like him even more now!!!!

- TH makes his own descicions...who's else to blame?
- Taufiks has never backed down? remember the last AE? remember the HKO-06?

Taufik wanted 7 players to stay out of the AE, he was making a fuss out of something that hardly concerned him!
In the end, taufik only punishes himself, and his fans..

I wouldn't say the ball's in PSBI's court..I'd say Taufik stole the ball from PSBI's court and ran away crying;) :o

One news added :
http://www.antara.co.id/en/catidx/?ch=spo
http://www.antara.co.id/en/seenws/?id=28070

AND Again..no taufik in england !! Be-Te

oh please,,this is the season im waiting so badly ..all england :( the tittle i wanted so much for him,, WHY TAUFIK??

Noooo...TAUFIK, U BREAK MY MOOD..!!

Principles mean a lot to Taufik at the expense of his team mates? Who the hell does he think he is? A prophet?

Greetings,

I have just posted in another thread, located at http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=39747 this comment;

====== start comment ======

I am seriously hoping that Taufik Hidayat, our BBB (Badminton Bad Boy :):):)), could be our first player to break away from National Associations.

With his decision not to participate in the All England 2007 to protest against PBSI, I am hoping that KL Racquet Club could come in to ask him to play not for Indonesia, but for KLRC.

Like what kwun have posted, we could have more individualism, rather than nationalism.

====== end comment ======

Cheers... chris@ccc

the thing is taufik wanted to go to papua as well... but he decided not to go to papua. in that time he might thing to prepare for AE, but then he realized that his mates got some money there...

so he was angry to him self for didn't go to papua. he might wanted to show his mates that he could control "his organization"

Here's the real story as I heard from PBSI insiders:
Taufik wanted to go to Papua, he asked Lius [Kepala Pembinaan Prestasi/Head of Development] and the other officials in charge. They said no because that tournament in Papua will distract the PBSI training program and nobody from the National Team can go otherwise they shall be punished. Taufik said: ok, and calmly abide by the ruling.

Then later on, Taufik learned that 7 of his other teammates all went to Papua. Deliberately breaking Lius' policy. Lius himself is furious! And handed out his form of punishment: banning them from tournaments. Taufik said: "That's not much of a punishment!! Next time, I WILL break PBSI policy, you can hand the same type of punishment to me too..." Taufik then demanded justice in rowdy way. He went to see Mr. Sutiyoso and other top PBSI officials to voice his dissatisfaction. They didn't respond to his requests enough, I guess...

So, Taufik just boycotted All England as a continuation of his protest....:eek:

I am still dazed by his choice of actions...:crying: PBSI surely is not fair and should have penalized the 7 players monetarily [since money was what they value]. Taufik.... oh my my... I don't know what to say anymore... :eek:

Does Taufik think that by boycotting All England PBSI would suffer? The only person who suffers from the boycott is Taufik himself. It doesn't make sense. Again I think this is an excuse to get out of All England as he is not confident he can win the title. By the way, does anybody know if Taufik is also boycotting the Swiss Open? Taufik will be playing Peter Gade in the first round. It would be even sillier if Taufik boycotts All England but chose to go to Swiss Open.

Well, I respect Taufik as a player, but outside the court, his actions sometimes confuse me. Withdrawing from the AE is not really a protest to PBSI, its more like a punishment for himself. He will have to wait for next year to do it, if he can. Taufik should abide by PBSI's decision and not throw a big fuss just because someone else benefited, albeit the wrong way. Taufik is not PBSI, and PBSI rules over Taufik. Taufik should respect PBSI's decision; it is not his organisation.

To bite the hand that feeds you is foolish!

Taufik confuses me too... I often dislike his choice of action but there's just something about him I really like. I don't think he was trying to be personal about the whole thing (with his team mates), but it certainly was a bit harsh >_>.

Hmm, I'm not sure why Taufik is getting all the negative attention here. No one really seems to care about what his team mates had done. I guess it goes to show how much influence Taufik really does have.

thanks for the translations babonimut. See you on Thurs if I can make it.

Taufik as usual, is just being himself. :)

Well, I respect Taufik as a player, but outside the court, his actions sometimes confuse me. Withdrawing from the AE is not really a protest to PBSI, its more like a punishment for himself. He will have to wait for next year to do it, if he can. Taufik should abide by PBSI's decision and not throw a big fuss just because someone else benefited, albeit the wrong way. Taufik is not PBSI, and PBSI rules over Taufik. Taufik should respect PBSI's decision; it is not his organisation.

Chris has brought out the issue of "professionalism" in badminton in another thread.

Is Taufik professional?
Is PBSI professional?

Professionalism work both ways and should work at all levels. Certainly, Taufik could learn to be a more professional player as his past conduct left much to be desired. But neither did the PBSI Administration show much professionalism in its dealings with the players in the past. And much has been aired in this Forum about PBSI shortcomings.

Whilst badminton needs unique and colourful characters like Taufik and Lin Dan, we also need good role models to serve as a guide to young aspirants. Players therefore should aspire to become real professionals and try to reduce their shortcomings to give badminton a better image in world sports.

Chris has brought out the issue of "professionalism" in badminton in another thread.

Is Taufik professional?
Is PBSI professional?

Professionalism work both ways and should work at all levels. Certainly, Taufik could learn to be a more professional player as his past conduct left much to be desired. But neither did the PBSI Administration show much professionalism in its dealings with the players in the past. And much has been aired in this Forum about PBSI shortcomings.

Whilst badminton needs unique and colourful characters like Taufik and Lin Dan, we also need good role models to serve as a guide to young aspirants. Players therefore should aspire to become real professionals and try to reduce their shortcomings to give badminton a better image in world sports.

I think badminton has a lot more to worry about than a few small mishaps like these. Take Ice Hockey for example, Taufik or Lin Dan I'm sure would be the "good boys" in that sport. And yet Ice Hockey is very popular in America. I personally think it's complete rubbish, but I don't think these little "controversial" events are going to wildly affect the sport of badminton.

I agree... Taufik punishes himself unnecessarily in this matter. Taufik didn't find a win-win solution, but jumped to a loose-loose-loose-loose-loose solution...


Taufik looses [no All England title this year],
PBSI looses [reputation, chance of glory],
Lius looses [legitimacy as a new leader, respect etc.] and by the way, Lius is a very nice guy and is really dedicated to Indonesian badminton without much regard to what sacrifices he has to make... It is hard to find someone of his calibre and personal integrity... Taufik punishes him too much for this little disciplinary mistake that he made...
his 7 teammates loose reputation [by blowing this internal case to the press, now a lot of people will think negatively about the 7 teammates], Taufik invites new enemies this way...
Indonesia looses [very little chance of getting All England MS this year],
All England looses [a bit]... surely, less top players, less prestige and excitement...
the average badminton fan looses [can't watch exciting matches between Taufik vs. Hafiz or Taufik vs. Lin Dan]...
:crying: :crying: :crying: :crying: :crying:So who wins?

Maybe some die-hard Lin Dan and Hafiz fans, who would like to see their idol win the AE regardless of who attended and played... :(
Well, some who argue "any publication is good publication" will say that: this embarassing event is good for badminton because badminton hardly get any publication at all... :rolleyes:Taufik, yes **** happens and there are a lot of unfairness out there... you were not the first and won't be the last! But we all have to make the best out of the things that we have and out of things that happen to us... Choosing a loose-loose-loose-loose-loose solution is simply just not wise!

Yeah it's pretty damn confusing to me. In fact I had to reread the original few posts about this a few times before a understood exactly why he was doing it :S. I'm pretty disappointed and I hope he sees some sense before it's too late.

How can we win .. When the fool can be kings ?? ..

i understand why taufik like this but i still cant accept its all happen in this tournament, again??

poor taufik.. :(

BANNING should be replaced with FINING.

like in Liverpool, the club didn't ban the players (bellamy and rise) but the club fined them.

Hi All,

Ok... Actually the probem came from Markis Kido..
1. First Problem: At the Time 2Feb in Jakarta got floods accident and Hery IP and Thomas can't make It Pelatnas to coach the double players and Markis asked to Cristian Dinata (Double player coach coordinator) to change the both coaches (Hery IP and Thomas) to Sigit Pamungkas...

2. Second Problem:
PBSI haven't approve Sigit to coach in Pelatnas but at time Sigit just go to pelatnas and take over two main double players (Markis/Hendra and Luluk Alvent).. The Other Coach also don't like that...

3. Third Problem:
7 Feb, Thomas and Hery IP came to pelatnas and they are very supprise because Sigit Pamungkas take over the main double players. So they don't like and protest to Cristian,, so it is big problems.... I am also there at the time...

4. Fourth Problem:
9Feb, All National Players, All National coaches, Pelatnas Director, and 2nd PBSI Voice President joined the meeting included Taufik Hidayat.
So This one the peak Problems:

From this meeting, Taufik Said:
- How come the new Coach (Sigit Pamungkas) can do coaching in national player without got approval from PBSI..
- How come that coach (Sigit Pamungkas) last time 6/7 years ago is hery IP asistant coach got problem can came again.. Sigit P take on leave 1 week and not come 1 month so PBSI decided to terminated this coach...
- Why the players can control PBSI, Taufid said: how come markis can select the sigit to coach him...
- Taufik asked also: Markis go to papua tournament and PBSI not allow the all national players to go papua.... So PBSI gave dubious to 7 players (can't go to Korea and Malaysian) but the problem is the 7 players already register to korea and Malaysian so PBSI make dicision to give dubious to 7 players can't join in Swiss Open... Taufik said: Why Swiss Open... Because All England is start first and after that swiss open.. and taufik said: should be All England... not swiss open... So Taufik said: If PBSI still send the 7 Players plus Sigit Pamungkas to join the All England, Taufik don't want to go..

So At the meeting nobody want to complain to Taufik, because Taufik correct and all coaches + rest players agree with Taufik except Sigit P plus Markis. So after that problem was never solve..


Just read the latest Tabloid Bola (27/2):
Taufik Hidayat decided not to participate in All England as a symbol of protest... It happen that last december, PBSI forbid the players to compete in Papua (it is said that it is not an exhibition game or simulation), but 7 players (Luluk, Alven, Flandy, Markis, Rendra, Yoga, n Yoke) decided to go to Papua, maybe because they will be given 20-70 million rupiah if they do *Money again:mad: *... However, Taufik who was also interested, decided not to go because PBSI forbid him to do so... For that, PBSI decided to punish those 7 players, but Taufik think that PBSI is not consistent... He thinks that PBSI should not let them compete in Malaysia and Korea Open (because the incident happen in December i think:confused: ), but it happen that PBSI decided not to let them compete in Swiss Open... So, Taufik protested, and decided not to participate in All England, a tournament that he never won in his life... *Kinda stupid decision I think:mad: , he should go to All England*

For further info, just read the latest tabloid Bola (the cover is the pic of Tomas Rosicky) or visit bolanews.com... Hopefully someone will kindly translate the whole article to everyone:D ...

wow, the plot is thicker than a soap opera:D

And The statement from Lius, not all correct..

FYI: The All coaches (Thomas/Hery IP - Double Coach, Hendrawan/Marleve Mainaiky - Man Singles Coaches, Mulyo - Taufik and Aditiawarman coaches, Richard Manaiky - Mix Double coach) don't like Kido and Sigit...

I told to Hery IP: Why Sigit Pamungkas just take over you players and you do nothing, He said: don't worry... I try make the yunior players to become the best players.. i think he very dissapointed...

Thomas said: We are (Thomas and Hery IP) very dissapointed to Kido....

Also the problem: almost the coaches in Indonesian National Training Centre from Tangkas Club... Only Mulyo from Djarum and Pau Pau from SGS.. so Jaya Raya club also give support to kido to recommend Sigit Pamungkas... It is politic....

Jaya Raya Said: Why we got best double players (candra Wijaya, Tony Gunawan, Kido, Hendra, Joko Riyadi) but all of them coach by Tangkas... It is not fair... All of them should be coach by jaya raya coach, so Jaya Raya coach should have in National Training Centre....

That you know: Rudy Hartono from Jaya Raya... He still got power to control Lius and Cristian... It is not good.... because He (Rudy Hartono) leaf from Pelatnas, so he can't control right...

Hi All,

Ok... Actually the probem came from Markis Kido..
1. First Problem: At the Time 2Feb in Jakarta got floods accident and Hery IP and Thomas can't make It Pelatnas to coach the double players and Markis asked to Cristian Dinata (Double player coach coordinator) to change the both coaches (Hery IP and Thomas) to Sigit Pamungkas...

2. Second Problem:
PBSI haven't approve Sigit to coach in Pelatnas but at time Sigit just go to pelatnas and take over two main double players (Markis/Hendra and Luluk Alvent).. The Other Coach also don't like that...

3. Third Problem:
7 Feb, Thomas and Hery IP came to pelatnas and they are very supprise because Sigit Pamungkas take over the main double players. So they don't like and protest to Cristian,, so it is big problems.... I am also there at the time...

4. Fourth Problem:
9Feb, All National Players, All National coaches, Pelatnas Director, and 2nd PBSI Voice President joined the meeting included Taufik Hidayat.
So This one the peak Problems:

From this meeting, Taufik Said:
- How come the new Coach (Sigit Pamungkas) can do coaching in national player without got approval from PBSI..
- How come that coach (Sigit Pamungkas) last time 6/7 years ago is hery IP asistant coach got problem can came again.. Sigit P take on leave 1 week and not come 1 month so PBSI decided to terminated this coach...
- Why the players can control PBSI, Taufid said: how come markis can select the sigit to coach him...
- Taufik asked also: Markis go to papua tournament and PBSI not allow the all national players to go papua.... So PBSI gave dubious to 7 players (can't go to Korea and Malaysian) but the problem is the 7 players already register to korea and Malaysian so PBSI make dicision to give dubious to 7 players can't join in Swiss Open... Taufik said: Why Swiss Open... Because All England is start first and after that swiss open.. and taufik said: should be All England... not swiss open... So Taufik said: If PBSI still send the 7 Players plus Sigit Pamungkas to join the All England, Taufik don't want to go..

So At the meeting nobody want to complain to Taufik, because Taufik correct and all coaches + rest players agree with Taufik except Sigit P plus Markis. So after that problem was never solve..

the dark side is covered everything , hard to see the future is.....

...(continuing on this very "hot at-the-moment" topic):p , perhaps, just perhaps the best person to talk to Mr. Hidayat is............Mr. Agum Gumelar himself......Let's see if he can talk some sense into his son-in-law...Perhaps, tell Taufik that everything will be alright and focus at his task at hand, which is the AE, and everything will work itself out in the future.... But then again, in the end, it's Taufik's decision..:rolleyes: :p ;)

If that incident, 2-3 yrs ago(between Taufik and Icuk) wasn't an embarrassment to PBSI & Taufik, didn't teach the same folks anything, then this incident proves that nothing has changed much..I'm afraid pretty soon Lius Pongoh will decide to resign from his post..Afer this everyone will think twice and run out of PBSI, so at then end, the only one left at Pelatnas will be..............Taufik...and he will run that entity by himself..:confused::rolleyes::p

*Btw, thanks, saugusli, for expounding more on the sequence of events behind the story(if i understand fully what you've written)....;):cool:

same story, more drama...
"why couldn't I go there and Markis did"

...cry me a river..

If TH really wanna change things in INA badminton, he should do well in badminton and retire early and get elected into the INA sport council's top job. Then u can screw pbsi back and clean things up. What he's doing now is making enemies with pbsi and team players, and give worries to INA sport council. It would be hard to land a top governement job with these behavioral records.
..i can almost guarantee he "will taste his own medicine"...hehe:p;)
Like they say, "what goes around, comes around"..;)

Taufik is in a bad mood.
I suspect Taufik didn't get his dose of conjugal obligation, since his wife is pregnant. :p ;) :D

BTW, according to Badzine.com the Indo team has not cancelled any flighttickets...

Some time tomorrow taufik'll say "fooled you, didn't I?" "I was just making my point, I'll win this AE now"

and get smited by LD 21-12 21-13..

argh, what can I say...we all have our dreams:o

it will come down to who'll blinks first;)

http://www.badzine.info/content/view/208/2/

it will come down to who'll blinks first;)

.... You did :cool:

I admire TH for his talent but his behaviour leaves much to be desired. To be the media's darling for the wrong reasons is not honorable. It's a question of having respect rather than sticking to principles which may not beneficial to all including himself.
TH is considered fortunate to come this far despite his disrespect & outburst of unwarranted statements towards others. For many other badminton players or athletes, their fate could have been sealed by now.
To TH I would say - grow up & good luck.

Disappointing for spectators not being able to see Taufik in action.
Hafiz will benefit from the withdrawl, but will he be able to capitalise on it and beat Simon Santoso in the 2nd round?

[quote=sabathiel]Does Taufik think that by boycotting All England PBSI would suffer? The only person who suffers from the boycott is Taufik himself.
====> No...He won't suffer. He is very confident....

It doesn't make sense. Again I think this is an excuse to get out of All England as he is not confident he can win the title.
======> He will win if he wants...OG, WC, AG are the real examples.

Although the spectators feel let down...I think it is good that Taufik has the character stand up for his fellow teamates (Flandy Limpele as well as Kido, Setiawan, and Alven Yulianto) who competed in Papua in spite of PBSI's disapproval.

On the other hand, if TH did go to papua for the tournament and then receive the same punishment from PBSI, he will still be critised.

[quote=sabathiel]Does Taufik think that by boycotting All England PBSI would suffer? The only person who suffers from the boycott is Taufik himself.
====> No...He won't suffer. He is very confident....

It doesn't make sense. Again I think this is an excuse to get out of All England as he is not confident he can win the title.
======> He will win if he wants...OG, WC, AG are the real examples.

:eek: :eek: :eek:
I will win the World Championships if I want.:D

There is no sportsperson who doesn't want to win. If they lose it's because they lost and wasn't good enough to win the match on the day. A true sportsperson will admit to this like Roger Federer who hasn't won a French Open title yet despite how dominant he is.

Lin Dan will win against Taufik if he wants. There are numerous real examples of Lin Dan beating Taufik.:D

Although the spectators feel let down...I think it is good that Taufik has the character stand up for his fellow teamates (Flandy Limpele as well as Kido, Setiawan, and Alven Yulianto) who competed in Papua in spite of PBSI's disapproval.

Hang on, you misunderstood the dispute. Taufik is not standing up for his team mates he wants his team mates to be banned from competing in All England and not the Swiss Open. That's what the article says. What does that say about his character?

:eek: :eek: :eek:
I will win the World Championships if I want.:D

There is no sportsperson who doesn't want to win. If they lose it's because they lost and wasn't good enough to win the match on the day. A true sportsperson will admit to this like Roger Federer who hasn't won a French Open title yet despite how dominant he is.

Lin Dan will win against Taufik if he wants. There are numerous real examples of Lin Dan beating Taufik.:D
I think it's a bit extreme to say that Taufik can just win whenever he wants (he didn't win the WC06 - I'm sure he wanted that). But you can see the difference in his play when he really does have the motivation to win. Of course everyone wants to win, but sometimes it takes special circumstances to bring out the best in someone.

On a side note Taufik has frequently admitted being outplayed. I remember last year on at least two occasions he had mentioned that he believed Lin Dan to be the best player in the world.

[quote=sabathiel][quote=indra]

:eek: :eek: :eek:
I will win the World Championships if I want.:D

There is no sportsperson who doesn't want to win. If they lose it's because they lost and wasn't good enough to win the match on the day. A true sportsperson will admit to this like Roger Federer who hasn't won a French Open title yet despite how dominant he is.

====> The same as TH. Taufik always admits when he loses...Do you have any proof of Taufik not admiting his losses?:D

[quote=sabathiel][quote=indra]

:eek: :eek: :eek:
I will win the World Championships if I want.:D

There is no sportsperson who doesn't want to win. If they lose it's because they lost and wasn't good enough to win the match on the day. A true sportsperson will admit to this like Roger Federer who hasn't won a French Open title yet despite how dominant he is.

====> The same as TH. Taufik always admits when he loses...Do you have any proof of Taufik not admiting his losses?:D

I thought Taufik blame the linesmen few time after his losses:D, blame his injury, etc... He never admit his loss against Lin Dan as far as I know... "OK, I lost, Lin dan is a really good player, etc etc"... Prestige:D ...

Another news about Taufik's withdrawal... Unfortunately, it is in Indonesian again...

PBSI Hanya Bisa Pasrah


JAKARTA - Jangan bilang dulu kebangkitan prestasi bulu tangkis tanah air. Jangankan untuk kembali disegani negara-negara lain, PB PBSI yang menjadi ujung tombak pembinaan bulu tangkis tanah air saja kini sudah tidak memiliki kewibawaan di mata para pemain pelatnas.

Kasus mogok Taufik Hidayat untuk tampil di All England Super Series pada 6-11 Maret nanti adalah salah satu buah dari minimnya wibawa organisasi yang dipimpin Sutiyoso tersebut. Sebagaimana yang disampaikan Taufik pada media-media nasional, aksi mogok tersebut disebabkan ketidakpuasannya dengan keputusan PB PBSI. Ini terkait keikutsertaan beberapa pemain pelatnas dalam satu turnamen di Papua Desember lalu yang sebenarnya dilarang PB PBSI.

Atas kejadian tersebut, PB PBSI menjatuhkan sanksi berupa larangan tampil di Swiss Super Series. Namun, menurut Taufik, sanksi yang tepat adalah larangan tampil di All England Super Series. Dengan alasan sanksi yang tidak tegas itulah, juara Olimpiade Athena 2004 tersebut mogok.

Atas pemogokan tersebut, PB PBSI hanya bisa pasrah. Denda sebesar USD 250 harus dibayarkan karena kejadian tersebut. Lebih lanjut, para pemain terbaik dunia ke depan bisa saja enggan bermain di Indonesia jika yang dikirimkan pelatnas bukan pemain terbaik. Atas kondisi tersebut, PB PBSI hanya bisa pasrah.

"Saya tidak bisa menyalahkan Taufik. Tapi, kalau alasannya kami tidak tegas dalam memberikan sanksi, kami telah memberi hukuman berupa skorsing di Swiss Super Series," kata Lius ketika dihubungi Jawa Pos tadi malam.

Markis Kido, Luluk Hadiyanto, Alven Yulianto, dan Flandy Limpele, adalah beberapa pemain senior yang terhukum. Menurut Lius, keputusan mereka untuk tampil di Papua adalah tindakan kekanak-kanakan. Sebagai pemain nasional, mereka seharusnya mengerti dengan posisi mereka sebagai pemain pelatnas.

"Sebelum mereka berangkat saya sudah berbicara banyak, tapi mereka tidak mengindahkan. Beberapa pengurus Pengda PBSI Papua juga terus memaksakan diri, meminjam pemain yang memiliki klub," papar Lius.

Terpisah, Staf Ahli PB PBSI, MF Siregar, menyatakan bahwa hukuman yang diberikan pada pemain yang tampil di Papua sebenarnya sudah sesuai dengan aturan. "Kalau Taufik menuntut hukuman lebih cepat ya tidak bisa, karena itu skorsing baru di Swiss Super Series. Hukuman itu harus dibicarakan di antara para pengurus," jelas Opung, sapaan karib MF Siregar.

Apa pun, kepergian beberapa pemain pelatnas ke Papua, kemudian aksi mogok Taufik, menunjukkan PB PBSI terus kehilangan kewibawaannya. Kalau pemain yang berangkat ke Papau atau Taufik memang bersalah, mereka seharusnya dihukum seberat-beratnya. Jangan karena mereka masih dibutuhkan untuk meraih gelar juara, kemudian bisa berbuat sesukanya.

Kalau dibiarkan berlarut, kondisi tersebut bisa membuat pemain-pemain muda ikut tidak segan pada pengurus. Pada akhirnya, bulu tangkis tanah air akan makin terpuruk. (ang)

..another round of a different version translation job:p :D ..Calling indra, babonimut, DoublesPlayer, Krisna or others/anyone else..thanks in advance!..;) :cool:
Btw, here's the link: http://jawapos.com/index.php?act=detail_c&id=273725

He never admit his loss against Lin Dan as far as I know... "OK, I lost, Lin dan is a really good player, etc etc"... Prestige:D ...

I can assure you he has :). Can't supply you with link though. I'm too lazy, you'll just have to trust me :).

====> The same as TH. Taufik always admits when he loses...Do you have any proof of Taufik not admiting his losses?:D
completly besides the point...
you said Taufik wins if he wants to...and somebody was fast enough to mention the WC06...

taufik isn't unbeatable, that's the plain and simple truth...sorry mate..

Hang on, you misunderstood the dispute. Taufik is not standing up for his team mates he wants his team mates to be banned from competing in All England and not the Swiss Open. That's what the article says. What does that say about his character?

i misread an article on http://www.badzine.info/content/view/208/2/

Does Taufik think that by boycotting All England PBSI would suffer? The only person who suffers from the boycott is Taufik himself.
Mate.. it is not only Taufik who suffers... we're all indonesian fans.. will be most suffer not to see him playing in AE...

:crying::crying::crying::crying::crying::crying:

wizzy

Although the spectators feel let down...I think it is good that Taufik has the character stand up for his fellow teamates (Flandy Limpele as well as Kido, Setiawan, and Alven Yulianto) who competed in Papua in spite of PBSI's disapproval.

Wei, it's not Hendra Setiawan, but Rendra Wijaya who went to Papua! Of course, if Markis Kido doesn't go to AE, Hendra Setiawan won't go either.

Actually I have expected this kind of issue.
A player "boycott" and the sport association can do nothing.

In the past we won't hear this issue.
Every player was waiting for the phone call from the association to represent his country. He/She was very happy, it was a honour to represent his/her country.

At present, not anymore. Honour is on the second place.
In the first place is ....... yes.... money and politic.

There are some players (football, tennis, basketball, badminton ....) who don't want to represent their country.
Even for the big event like Would cup, Olympic games, Thomas/Uber cup, Davis/Fed cup, and so on..), because their association/country just give them a little bonus.

When I red this thread, a BF'er said that the 7 players who went to Papua are paid with big money.
Taufik didn't go, because he obeyed PBSI, but the 7 didn't.
The 7 earned money, Taufik didn't. Then Taufik boycott, because....... money.

PBSI give a punishment but very late, it seems that PBSI doubt to take a decision, why....., because .... politic.
I said doubt, because the 7 players are very important for PBSI to get some titles in SuperSerie.
PBSI didn't expect the reaction from Taufik. But now ...........

What should PBSI does is: Punish the player who don't follow its rule, no matter who he/she is.
PBSI has to show its power and not be controlled by the player, no matter who he/she is.

I can understand that PBSI is afraid losing its best players, because PBSI has not many players anymore.
PBSI try to keep its best players by listening to their request. PBSI say almost "YES" to all the request.
I am also "agree" with Taufik. PBSI has to consistent in its words.

If we go back to 10 year ago, this kind of situation won't be happened.
At that time, PBSI had so many best players. PBSI was not afraid losing its players.
Every players would do their best for their country. They trained hard and serious, because if they didn't play good enough, they had to forget the next tournament.
They won't complain, because 'complain' didn't exist in their dictionary.

In this situation, both Taufik and PBSI are right and also not right.
Taufik is right, because he obeyed PBSI. Taufik doesn't right, because he "blackmail" PBSI.
PBSI is right, because the 7 must be punished. PBSI doesn't right, because it let the player take the control. It means that PBSI has no power and doesn't consistent.

so TH is going to the German and Swiss Opens but not AE???

so TH is going to the German and Swiss Opens but not AE???

I sense that he is leaving Pelatnas

I sense that he is leaving Pelatnas

Indra.. mungkin lo betul...

I think he is going to KLRC.. since in their website.. they telling that Taufik is coming to join them..

We as Indonesian really don't know what would be happen if Taufik join with KLRC and which country that he will represent then... :confused:

wizzy

I sense that he is leaving Pelatnas
(i know that's an assumption) if he does leave Pelatnas and play somewhere else(like he tried to do earlier), will PBSI chase & ask him to come back all over again??..or will they let him go, for good, this time around??..And if PBSI ask him to come back, will he accept their invitation? or will he say, "Thanks but no thanks"??..:confused: :rolleyes: ;)

I don't think u guys should worry, even if Taufik joins KLRC, he will still represent Indonesia. KLRC has no objections of Taufik bringing his coach along too. Even now, KLRC's current pool of talent comes from BAM national discards/forced retirees and some from overseas.

KLRC's setup is unique, the objective is to give out-of-favour players (who probably was not given a chance by their respective national associations) a new lease of life in the sport they love.

In this case KLRC is not bound by any national association, not even BAM.

Some players, like Lee Tsuen Seng and Sairul Amar Ayob, do better under KLRC than BAM.

(i know that's an assumption) if he does leave Pelatnas and play somewhere else(like he tried to do earlier), will PBSI chase & ask him to come back all over again??..or will they let him go, for good, this time around??..And if PBSI ask him to come back, will he accept their invitation? or will he say, "Thanks but no thanks"??..:confused: :rolleyes: ;)this whole thing is a charade. On the surface TH's action may look like principle based but i'm sure if pbsi offered money that TH didn't get for obeying pbsi by not going to papua, i'm sure this charade would end.

I don't think u guys should worry, even if Taufik joins KLRC, he will still represent Indonesia. KLRC has no objections of Taufik bringing his coach along too. Even now, KLRC's current pool of talent comes from BAM national discards/forced retirees and some from overseas.
...if he goes & plays for KLRC, under what term(s), do you think, he will leave Pelatnas/National team??..if PBSI stand steadfast on what they "believe", do you think after what had transpired recently, he will come back and play for INA again??..:confused: :rolleyes: ;)

this whole thing is a charade. On the surface TH's action may look like principle based but i'm sure if pbsi offered money that TH didn't get for obeying pbsi by not going to papua, i'm sure this charade would end.
...IF that actually happens, it essentially means that, once again, PBSI has "bend over backwards" and "smooch Taufik's feet" & treat him like "INA's Golden Boy":p ...is that what's gonna happen this time around??..hmm:confused: :rolleyes: ;)

Well, KLRC players can play for their country, can't they? As long as KLRC registers them for tournaments, that is. No need to go thru PBSI or BAM for that matter.

Well, KLRC players can play for their country, can't they? As long as KLRC registers them for tournaments, that is. No need to go thru PBSI or BAM for that matter.
...but i was referring more to the point of, will Taufik come back and play for INA, *under* PBSI's/Pelatnas' "authorization"??..Sure, he might still be wearing his jerzee with the name "Indonesia" on the back, for say Open tourneys(like other ex-Pelatnas players who are still competing) but will he still play for INA in the team events, ie. Thomas Cup or Sudirman Cup or Olympics/WC??..:confused: :rolleyes: ;)

...IF that actually happens, it essentially means that, once again, PBSI has "bend over backwards" and "smooch Taufik's feet" & treat him like "INA's Golden Boy":p ...is that what's gonna happen this time around??..hmm:confused: :rolleyes: ;)hey, this is TH's 3rd year of trying it;)

hey, this is TH's 3rd year of trying it;)
...but, IMO, he SHOULD EARN it...don't you agree??..:p :D ;)

It is too bad that PBSI has only one good player like Taufik who can produce therefore PBSI better "begs" him to play the AE otherwise everybody lose.

...but, IMO, he SHOULD EARN it...don't you agree??..:p :D ;)to TH's eyes, the money was the appearance bonus at papua. Since he obeyed pbsi, TH feel that pbsi 'stole' or denied him the easy money that other team players got for showing up at papua.

It is too bad that PBSI has only one good player like Taufik who can produce therefore PBSI better "begs" him to play the AE otherwise everybody lose.
to TH's eyes, the money was the appearance bonus at papua. Since he obeyed pbsi, TH feel that pbsi 'stole' or denied him the easy money that other team players got for showing up at papua.
...actually what's happening is exactly what's been brought up in earlier posts in this thread(ie. brought up by jkusmanto and to an extent to what i've chimed in before in my older posts). In a way, it goes both ways. It's PBSI's own doing as well as the attitude of the players. And it goes back to one simple root of: money...:p ;)

...actually what's happening is similar to what's been brought up in earlier posts in this thread(ie. brought up by jkusmanto, Krisna). In a way, it goes both ways. It's PBSI's own doing as well as the attitude of the players. And it goes back to one simple root of: money...:p ;) which in turns fostered and nurtured by decades of suharto regime.

...actually what's happening is exactly what's been brought up in earlier posts in this thread(ie. brought up by jkusmanto and to an extent to what i've chimed in before in my older posts). In a way, it goes both ways. It's PBSI's own doing as well as the attitude of the players. And it goes back to one simple root of: money...:p ;)
beat you:p
http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=36259&page=2&highlight=pbsi+loves+money see post #18 :D

which in turns fostered and nurtured by decades of suharto regime.
...but also somewhat political..and it doesn't only apply to PBSI/badminton, but to other sports in INA...The financial struggle in INA's sports has been the same, even from Suharto's eras..:p ;)

beat you:p
http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=36259&page=2&highlight=pbsi+loves+money see post #18 :D
..that's one of the many threads-thx for pointing that(i bet you already marked that and put it in your Favorites link, for a quick reference;):D)...anyways, i think the fellas in here basically understand what's going on...;)

..that's one of the thread-thx for pointing that(i bet you already marked that and put it in your Favorites link;):D )...anyways, i think the fellas in here basically understand what's going on...;)nah, no bookmark links. I try to remember all my 11,000+ posts. I am accountable for what i write, right?;)

Greetings,

This is what I am hoping for... just like for professional players in Soccer, Tennis, Basketball, etc...

Great Brazilians Soccer players play for European Clubs, but when it comes to the World Cup Soccer, they play for Brazil.

Great Tennis players based themselves in countries other than their own, but when it comes to the Davis Cup they play for their home countries, not the countries that they are based in.

A great Chinese player plays for a USA Club, but when it comes to the Olympics Games, he will play for China.

Why can't professional Badminton players do the same ??? :):):)

IMHO, Taufik should base himself elsewhere (because of too much politics in PBSI), but when it comes to the Thomas Cup, the Sudirman Cup, the Olympics, the Asian Games, etc... then Taufik should play for Indonesia.

Cheers... chris@ccc

TH has to tread his ground carefully.

1. By confronting and leaving PBSI, he may not have a chance to represent the country. He will lose his allowance and other monetary benefits, etc.

2. TH will then not have a chance to achieve what he wants in world badminton and he will not be in the international limelight and continue to be a glamour boy anymore.

3. I believe BWF Super Series are meant for players who are approved by their respective countries' national associations (like PBSI) which are members of BWF. KLRC is not a BWF member, but of course it can recommend its players to BAM, as it has done so in the past, who will make the final decision.

4. If TH is unable to participate in the SS, he will lose ranking points and may not even be featured in the WC and Beijing Olympics. He will also miss the chance to earn good prize money, which a professional needs to supplement his income if he is lucky enough to have generous sponsors (like KLRC) and commercial endorsements. But such incentives are double-edged swords in that a professional needs to be good and popular to be of any use to sponsors and the corporations who support him/her.

5. PBSI can certainly make it difficult for TH to play for any club or country by demanding a huge Transfer Fee, as it did when TH wanted to play for Singapore years ago. As in soccer, the world body may rule that without a Transfer Certificate from the national association, a player cannot continue to play professionally! :(

So TH must be very careful not to create more problems for himself!

IF Taufik leaves Pelatnas, It is most likely that he will not represent Ina.
I doubt if he is interested in representing the Ina team unless PBSI fulfills what he wants ...Of course, what he wants now will be different from what he will want in the future, this is only IF.

That is typical of him:D . Very, very interesting and exciting!!!!

I guess he is leaving Pelatnas soon....it is only a matter of time.

Greetings,

This is what I am hoping for... just like for professional players in Soccer, Tennis, Basketball, etc...

Great Brazilians Soccer players play for European Clubs, but when it comes to the World Cup Soccer, they play for Brazil.

Great Tennis players based themselves in countries other than their own, but when it comes to the Davis Cup they play for their home countries, not the countries that they are based in.

A great Chinese player plays for a USA Club, but when it comes to the Olympics Games, he will play for China.

Why can't professional Badminton players do the same ??? :):):)

IMHO, Taufik should base himself elsewhere (because of too much politics in PBSI), but when it comes to the Thomas Cup, the Sudirman Cup, the Olympics, the Asian Games, etc... then Taufik should play for Indonesia.

Cheers... chris@ccc
..some interesting points, but i guess your question(in blue) is the bottom line.
I know this is probably more appropriate to be discussed in your thread, ideally speaking, yes, i can concur. But, IMO, badminton as a whole hasn't garnered the same amt of accolades and "wealth" as those other sports you've mentioned.
Further, we must consider that all those athletes, in those sports you've mentioned, who play in other countries & leagues are getting paid quite handsomely. Reality is, we can't say the same with badminton. Even if the players decide to play overseas instead of their own countries. The question now is, what country(ies) can afford the same in badminton??..
Thus i totally agree on the statement i've highlighted in bold, which i and a few others have mentioned a few times before. Logically speaking, what other country can afford and at the same time market these athletes like never before. Of course, the image of badminton, IMO, has to change first and foremost, esp. if it wants to gain any purpose in U.S.
Anyways, i think i've pushed this post/discussion, off-topic. Perhaps we can discuss this in your other thread, chris@ccc. The one abt "Badminton becoming Professional sport??"..;)

TH has to tread his ground carefully.

1. By confronting and leaving PBSI, he may not have a chance to represent the country. He will lose his allowance and other monetary benefits, etc.

2. TH will then not have a chance to achieve what he wants in world badminton and he will not be in the international limelight and continue to be a glamour boy anymore.

3. I believe BWF Super Series are meant for players who are approved by their respective countries' national associations (like PBSI) which are members of BWF. KLRC is not a BWF member, but of course it can recommend its players to BAM, as it has done so in the past, who will make the final decision.

4. If TH is unable to participate in the SS, he will lose ranking points and may not even be featured in the WC and Beijing Olympics. He will also miss the chance to earn good prize money, which a professional needs to supplement his income if he is lucky enough to have generous sponsors (like KLRC) and commercial endorsements. But such incentives are double-edged swords in that a professional needs to be good and popular to be of any use to sponsors and the corporations who support him/her.

5. PBSI can certainly make it difficult for TH to play for any club or country by demanding a huge Transfer Fee, as it did when TH wanted to play for Singapore years ago. As in soccer, the world body may rule that without a Transfer Certificate from the national association, a player cannot continue to play professionally! :(

So TH must be very careful not to create more problems for himself!
..interesting points, Loh, and somewhat concur on points #1, #2, #4 & #5. However on point #3, how do we explain players like Candra, Sigit, Eng Hian and other INA players who are no longer part of INA National squad but are still competing in these SS tourneys, by playing independently? Are those players, like you wrote, still being "recognized" by PBSI??..:confused: :rolleyes: ;)
Perhaps, Taufik can go the "Tony Gunawan route". Go play overseas and hope one day PBSI will come crawling back and ask him to play again for their national team....Taufik will become "The Most Wanted-For-Hire MS Player In The World"..:rolleyes::p:D;)

Mate.. it is not only Taufik who suffers... we're all indonesian fans.. will be most suffer not to see him playing in AE...

:crying::crying::crying::crying::crying::crying:

wizzy

:eek: :eek: :eek:
I don't suffer from Taufik's decision not to play All England, dissapointed maybe but I don't suffer. I doubt you and other Taufik fans are suffering. On the other hand, Taufik is missing out on the potential prize money as well as a possible All England title. Taufik suffers!

:eek: :eek: :eek:
I don't suffer from Taufik's decision not to play All England, dissapointed maybe but I don't suffer. I doubt you and other Taufik fans are suffering. On the other hand, Taufik is missing out on the potential prize money as well as a possible All England title. Taufik suffers!

Taufik is laughing:D . He is fine. He does not suffer at all. He just needs to revise his life priority...He is fully aware of what he is doing and prepared to shoulder all consequences that might arise out of his action. He is very well prepared for that.

You are speaking from personal knowledge or simply making baseless assumptions or even speculating?

..interesting points, Loh, However on point #3, how do we explain players like Candra, Sigit, Eng Hian and other INA players who are no longer part of INA National squad but are still competing in these SS tourneys, by playing independently? Are those players, like you wrote, still being "recognized" by PBSI??..:confused: :rolleyes: ;)


Yes, I believe they have the blessings of PBSI but not necessarily financial support. They probably would have to make their own financial arrangements.

In Candra's case, I think he is not under the PBSI umbrella. He probably needs approval from the US authorities only.

Badminton Professionals turning independent

I agree with many of your views on your reply to chris@ccc principally the following:

1. Unlikely that badminton professionals follow the path of soccer or tennis professionals in the foreseeable future.

2. As you've said, badminton professionals are like "third world" poor cousins compared to their "first world" counterparts as far as financial rewards are concerned. So despite the significant progress in prize monies offered under the new SS scheme, badminton still has a long, long way to go.

3. Without adequate remuneration to start off with, how can badminton professionals be independent financially to engage their own coaches, to travel extensively to all corners of the earth for competitions or to pick and choose which tournament they like to participate in?

4. Yes, the older professionals would want their own training programme and schedule that are tailor-made to their physical and mental condition and would refrain from the common centralized training more suited for the young professionals who are physically fitter to take on tougher training will little rest in between. But it again boils down to money - do they have enough of this to be able to comply with their needs and demands?

5. Soccer, golf and Tennis professionals are highly paid, especially for the stars, that many can afford the above personal services and have much reserves left to invest in properties, equities and other financial instruments for their future and retirement. Some are so weathy that they could give back to public in the form of charities and endowments. These stars are equated to the likes of TH, LD, PG, CH and others in badminton for their skills, except that they are paid many, many, times more. Miserable, isn't it for badminton!

So BWF and Mr Gunalan will need to find a real solid Punch to KO all the others and remain standing independent in the ring. :D

ngenge..owh bad news huh..i want to see taufik play! those powerful backhand smashes...aaaaa...

Yes, I believe they have the blessings of PBSI but not necessarily financial support. They probably would have to make their own financial arrangements.

In Candra's case, I think he is not under the PBSI umbrella. He probably needs approval from the US authorities only.
...Loh, i would love to believe & agree with you on these 2, but i don't know. On the first topic, perhaps another INA-based BC member can confirm this for us, as to how the technicalities or procedures go about their qualifications in playing in Open tourneys.
Do those non-Pelatnas players, who are competing in these SS tourneys still get the blessing from PBSI?? Are they still somewhat "connected" with PBSI/Pelatnas?? If so, in what way(s)??..:confused:
On Candra's status, personally i don't have any "proof" on whether Candra is playing under USAB's approval or not; but, as far as i know, only Tony is playing under USAB. Perhaps someone familiar with Candra's status can verify this for us...:cool:
*Loh, i'm not commenting on your other points, cos i think we've seen and read thru them, enough times..And they're better to be discussed in chris@ccc's thread..hehe:p:D;)

I think Indra is in fact Taufik, only Taufik(alias Indra) still think he is right and logical :D

Hahha Indra is very Vocal too.. like his Idol. :)

Taufik will not afraid to leave Pelatnas.
He has said that in his carrier, his target is WC, OS and AE.
He has got 2 of his targets: WC and OS.
Only AE that he has not yet got.

If he move out from Pelatnas, he still have a chance to get AE.
So ...... no problem to leave Pelatnas.
But well problem if Mulyo leaves him. :D :D :D

IF Taufik leaves Pelatnas, It is most likely that he will not represent Ina.
I doubt if he is interested in representing the Ina team unless PBSI fulfills what he wants ...Of course, what he wants now will be different from what he will want in the future, this is only IF.

That is typical of him:D . Very, very interesting and exciting!!!!

I guess he is leaving Pelatnas soon....it is only a matter of time.

i think taufik is consequent and not afraid of taking the cost of his actions. pitty, there won t be videos of taufik from AE.

Taufik joined the Yonex German open which is still ongoing. He was defeated by Lin Dan. I'm just not sure if he was already eliminated. I checked the match schedule and can't find his name. The German open will end March 4, two days before the opening of the All England.

Taufik joined the Yonex German open which is still ongoing. He was defeated by Lin Dan. I'm just not sure if he was already eliminated. I checked the match schedule and can't find his name. The German open will end March 4, two days before the opening of the All England.

Dude, we've gone through this already. It's the OTHER Taufik Hidayat that's playing in the German Open

TH has to tread his ground carefully.

1. By confronting and leaving PBSI, he may not have a chance to represent the country. He will lose his allowance and other monetary benefits, etc.

2. TH will then not have a chance to achieve what he wants in world badminton and he will not be in the international limelight and continue to be a glamour boy anymore.

3. I believe BWF Super Series are meant for players who are approved by their respective countries' national associations (like PBSI) which are members of BWF. KLRC is not a BWF member, but of course it can recommend its players to BAM, as it has done so in the past, who will make the final decision.

4. If TH is unable to participate in the SS, he will lose ranking points and may not even be featured in the WC and Beijing Olympics. He will also miss the chance to earn good prize money, which a professional needs to supplement his income if he is lucky enough to have generous sponsors (like KLRC) and commercial endorsements. But such incentives are double-edged swords in that a professional needs to be good and popular to be of any use to sponsors and the corporations who support him/her.

5. PBSI can certainly make it difficult for TH to play for any club or country by demanding a huge Transfer Fee, as it did when TH wanted to play for Singapore years ago. As in soccer, the world body may rule that without a Transfer Certificate from the national association, a player cannot continue to play professionally! :(

So TH must be very careful not to create more problems for himself!

Sory just my thought:
1. His only goal that he haven't reach yet is only AE, so it's not big deal for him.
2. Country? I'm indonesian but seriously, now is the time for him to ask: What have Indonesia gave to me, he already gave gold medal in Olympic and AG, if he was citizen in other countries he can have a better life.
3. Money ?? I don't think money is important to him, remember whom he married to?

This is just some fact that I can give to you.

Sory just my thought:
1. His only goal that he haven't reach yet is only AE, so it's not big deal for him.
2. Country? I'm indonesian but seriously, now is the time for him to ask: What have Indonesia gave to me, he already gave gold medal in Olympic and AG, if he was citizen in other countries he can have a better life.
3. Money ?? I don't think money is important to him, remember whom he married to?

This is just some fact that I can give to you.

1. That's true. Given TH immense capabilities and talent, the AE is just a short reach away that he can make anytime he wants.

2. Indonesia did give him a lot. They made him a national hero. If in other countries, he would just be another portrait in the hall of fame. Look at Tony Gunawan, he won the World Championship for the US in 2005. Tony still isn't half as big in the US as he was in Indonesia. But, in Indo, Taufik would be big forever like Rudy Hartono. Especially, if he wins the AE and become the first player to win every major tournament at least once.

3. Money. Taufik could retire anytime he wants and mooch off his wife and her family just like Kevin Federline. Plus, i bet he got a lot of money of his own. Indonesia definitely gave him a few truckloads of cash for his Olympic and two Asian Games successes.

My wish if for Taufik to just go and grab the AE and then deal with PBSI. His voice would be stronger after his success. Instead, he chooses to back out becos of some misunderstanding with the organization and its corrupt practices.

Just my thought;)

He would struggle to beat Lin Dan in the QF.
The draw was really against him, esp first match against Hashim Hafiz who can give him a good run.

Dude, we've gone through this already. It's the OTHER Taufik Hidayat that's playing in the German Open

I stand corrected. Thanks for the clarification. It's Taufiq Hidayat AKBAR who went to the German open.:)

Is TH playing or not? HIs name is still listed in the draw.

Not confirmed yet, juris.. Maybe, if PBSi's changing its decision, he may go.. ^^

Not confirmed yet, juris.. Maybe, if PBSi's changing its decision, he may go.. ^^
I believe it should be if Taufik changes his decision, he will go... PBSI didn't cancel the ticket because they are still hoping that Taufik will change his mind... What a waste of money...

I think the chance of Taufik going is very slim for few reasons :
-No confident of winning as Open is actually harder to win compare to Olympic/Asian Games/World Championship(with quota from each country). And look at his draw, I don't think he can win this time.
-He doesn't care. At this point, national pride is not in his mind. Imagine if Rexy try to convince him about the small logo national flag in his shirt is actually not small ... Taufik would show him the finger :D :D :D :D
-Still playing politics and try to hold PBSI as hostage. Not sure what good does it do to fight with PBSI based on the principle alone, why even anger all your team mates who're still try to secure their future financially.
I hope Taufik don't go so we all still can think that he would have, could have won the All England 2007 :D

Still I silently hope TH would go and play his very best and get to meet LD and let the chips falls on whoever win then...as a fan, I yearn and salivate for their "battle" to unfold, such a threat to enjoy, after WC07 and OG08, we gonna miss TH...bet on that one. LD vrs anybody else besides LCW, PG and especially Mr. TH is never the same and does not carry the same amount of excitement and passions...LOL!:p :p :p

maybe TH will get the last laugh when he get his revenge on the pbsi if no INA player win a medal at the AE, LOL.

maybe TH will get the last laugh when he get his revenge on the pbsi if no INA player win a medal at the AE, LOL.
Looks like that is what is unfolding now in AE2007...LOL:p :p :p

Looks like that is what is unfolding now in AE2007...LOL:p :p :p

Maybe Sony still has a chance to unseat TH! :D

Will see how Sony performs... don't think he played any better.

Looks like that is what is unfolding now in AE2007...LOL:p :p :p
now only candra w. left as an ex-INA player.

TH get to laugh last but i doubt pbsi really care.

now only candra w. left as an ex-INA player.

TH get to laugh last but i doubt pbsi really care.
...but he's got nothing to show for himself either..?!?!..:confused: :rolleyes: :p ;)

...but he's got nothing to show for himself either..?!?!..:confused: :rolleyes: :p ;)
yes, everybody lost in this case:
indo fans, all england fans, pbsi, TH, badminton, etc