Is he injured or ill? Hope he will be fit soon! ;)

So Lin Dan had tough match at all...

Anyway: CONGRATS TO LIN DAN!!!

to allow LD to have extra rest for All-England i guess.

I think the Organizer should have the right to question the validity of any walk over in the future. If there's no injury involve then price money should be withheld to protect the integrity of the sports plus this is fair to those who spend money and time to attend this event.

to allow LD to have extra rest for All-England i guess.

It's hard to use "extra", because all the others are resting for weeks.

It was Chen Yu who walked over, in fact it also allowed Chen Yu himself some rest before all England.

I think the Organizer should have the right to question the validity of any walk over in the future. If there's no injury involve then price money should be withheld to protect the integrity of the sports plus this is fair to those who spend money and time to attend this event.

did you mean Chen Yu's prize or both? Lin Dan should be given a full prize, but for Chen Yu, I think he should get only the semifinalist's prize instead of the runner-up's, since he didn't work and didn't want to work in the final day.

did you mean Chen Yu's prize or both? Lin Dan should be given a full prize, but for Chen Yu, I think he should get only the semifinalist's prize instead of the runner-up's, since he didn't work and didn't want to work in the final day.
The details is not hard to figure out, but something has to be done, don't you think so?

The details is not hard to figure out, but something has to be done, don't you think so?

Too late for this Germany open, IBF should reinstate its rules next time.

yes but i really doubt that chen yu will get far in the all england to be honest

The details is not hard to figure out, but something has to be done, don't you think so?

don't we miss the battle of INA vrs MAS in the oldies era of Gunalan, Hartono where unless you are half-dead or broken leg, WO is unheard of...such are politics in sport.

don't we miss the battle of INA vrs MAS in the oldies era of Gunalan, Hartono where unless you are half-dead or broken leg, WO is unheard of...such are politics in sport.

lol i wouldnt remember those days as im only young!

lol i wouldnt remember those days as im only young!
Sorry for momentarily forgetting the diapers generation...hahaha! My comments are intended for adults, Restricted NC-17 target group which included geezers and almost ready to collect old age benefits category...hahaha! LOL!:p :p

lol i wouldnt remember those days as im only young!
I must be your age during the epic battles between MAS and INA, growing up in MAS. Badminton is such a big thing when during the 1966 TC, classes in my school was shutdown so we can all jamb together to watch a black and white, miserable fuzzy TV to see MAS play INA. WO especially in finals is unheard of, my young one Virtualkidneys...:D :D :D

as 'someone';) here had said, LYB is dictator of drama:p

I just checked the results and LD won the GO by way of walkover. Anyone know why Chen Yu didn't play? Injured perhaps?

Special order by LYB....:crying:

LYB means the chinese coach?

LYB means the chinese coach?

yeah LYB=lee yong bo

Maybe he did order a walkover...maybe he didn't.
The only way to really know is to be a member of the Chinese badminton team I guess. Would've been disappointing for the spectators not to being able to watch Lin Dan and Chen Yu face off against each other.

Junior must respect the Senior. Moreover, everyone already know what will happen if there is clash between the older player against the younger player in China Squad, always give way to the older one, east tradition.

no man, lin dan gave chen yu the beating of his life time before he made it on the courts.
and last time i checked, chen yu is older than lin dan.

theres tons of time before AE, so theres no reason to not hold the match.

i'd take a gander than chen yu didn't feel up to the game. probalby didnt' feel 100% and decided that AE is more important and didn't want to risk injury.

besides, if there were special orders, they would have lin dan concede to chen yu, since lin dan has lots of room to move around with him at #1, while chen yu would benefit a lot more from point standings.

I think is not about the age, the seniority here i would say depends on the China Squad which players they want them to be at the ranking, just like Chen Hong and Bao ChunLai in the past Superseries, Chen Hong do not mind to concede a WO for Bao ChunLai to improve his ranking, although it was stated that he is unfit to present, anyway this is internal affair, and no right and wrong :)

LD should give a walkover to ChenYu..... Then....

LD = will get the first price money without fighting = win.

CY = improve his world ranking where winning LD is almost impossible = win.

LYB = very syok !!!! coz 1) both his player no need to risk getting injury before AE; 2) ChenYu improve his ranking; 3) Both of his player are happy = win.

EVERYBODY WINS.....:D:D:D:D:D:D

EVERYBODY WINS.....:D:D:D:D:D:D

No, not really. The spectators lose. I've maintained time and time again the countless cynical withdrawals and walkovers, especially in the semis or finals, is a real insult to the paying public. Totally disgusted:mad: :mad:

the official report writes chen yu is out due to injury

The official reason for most withdrawals is injury. You put two and two together..:rolleyes:

Wat do u mean two & two together?

No, not really. The spectators lose. I've maintained time and time again the countless cynical withdrawals and walkovers, especially in the semis or finals, is a real insult to the paying public. Totally disgusted:mad: :mad:

yep, we lose. hehehehe...... but wat do u expect when two chinese were in the final anyway??? it's already like some kind of tradition of the chinese for this kind of incident to happen.....:p:p:p:p

I am not sure why whenever there is a WO in CHN squad, everyone blames LYB:eek:

Actually, CY injured his waist in MO, see his blog: http://blog.sina.com.cn/u/4b39337101000763

and, even if it is ordered by LYB, LD would concede to CY:rolleyes:

anyway, seems LYB needs to imrove his image :cool: :D

anyway, seems LYB needs to imrove his image :cool: :D

LYB cares more about winning than his image. :p

LinDan is actually younger than ChenYU, no? Chen Yu had been in the national team for long time, even longer than Lin Dan, he was with Chen Hong and XXZ.

LinDan is actually younger than ChenYU, no? Chen Yu had been in the national team for long time, even longer than Lin Dan, he was with Chen Hong and XXZ.

Yep, CY is older by 2 years (I believe).

LYB cares more about winning than his image. :p

kuakuakuakuakua:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

CY was really injured or not, nobody knows exactly except Chinese team. But for logical reason both of LD and CY certainly want saving their energy to fight all-out at 2 next SS. Three tourneys in 3 consecutive weeks, must be very tiring for them!

LYB cares more about winning than his image. :p

kuakuakuakuakua:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D after all he is a coach not a sportsman anymore (sportsmanship is very important). Winning more medals is the issue for him here.

u mean director ?

star paper said "injury"..but probably to rest lin dan

reminds me of what XXF told me during the WC, and what ZN told a friend of mine.

pretty much all Chinese players are constantly injured. XXF has tapes all over her arms and shoulder during the WC. and ZN also always have tapes all over her.

so the fact that these players trains so hard and that they are always injuried means that the excuse of WO during a match due to injury is strictly speaking not lying.

but nontheless, it'd be nice to see them play it all out...

I think the Organizer should have the right to question the validity of any walk over in the future. If there's no injury involve then price money should be withheld to protect the integrity of the sports plus this is fair to those who spend money and time to attend this event.

I doubt any pros to this level can be 100% "injury free". It's a matter of whether they want to fight through injuries on a particular day or not. Use medical method to exam, you will get a result of all the participants qualify for "withdraw" if they want to. :cool:

..esp. in relation to injuries, this thread's discussions are somewhat similar to an earlier discussions i had with hcyong, if anyone wants/care to read them, in this link/thread:
http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?p=505976#post505976 (starting from post #80)

Does anyone know whether the match ---->Live on TV internationally ?? :rolleyes:

I think the Organizer should have the right to question the validity of any walk over in the future. If there's no injury involve then price money should be withheld to protect the integrity of the sports plus this is fair to those who spend money and time to attend this event.

Good idea. Just want to add one more. Ranking Points. If LD did not defend his GO title, he would have lost some ranking points. Correct me if I'm wrong.

once again an injured chineese player miraculously recovers from injury.. in a few days :-)

/Twobeer

once again an injured chineese player miraculously recovers from injury.. in a few days :-)

/Twobeer
DING! DING! DING! We have a winner!!:mad: :p :mad: :p

Monday March 12, 2007

Germans complain about Chen Yu’s withdrawal

BIRMINGHAM: A formal complaint to the Badminton World Federation (BWF) is to be made by the German Open tournament director Boris Reichel about Chen Yu, the world number six from China.

Last Sunday Chen Yu withdrew from the final of the German Open in Mulheim, which he was due to play against his Chinese compatriot Lin Dan, the world number one, claiming he had a bad knee.

But a week later, Chen completed an All-England final against Dan, apparently without discomfort, having won four matches during the week.

“Chen made a show of climbing down the stairs at our tournament, and three days later he was jumping quite normally,” Reichel alleged.

“I am looking at it with the eyes of a coach, because I am also co-trainer of the national team,” Reichel emphasised.

“But from an organiser's point of view last week it was a tragedy because we staged a final with 2,000 spectators and TV – and no men's final.

“We were surprised that Lin Dan came to play a three-star tournament, but when we got the message that Chen was injured and couldn't play him in the final it was a catastrophe.

“He said it was an injury he got in practice in the morning. In that situation we don't say anything about it. But we will complain to the BWF, and it will also be in the report of the referee.” – AFP

China made themselves look like bad guys and do no favour to promote badminton in Europe.

Conspiracy Theory: There is a possible but unlikely explanation - Chinese officials were trying to manipulate their players' world rankings. If that's the case, however, it should be LD who concede a WO because CY needs the WR points more to boost his ranking while LD is having a comfortable lead, unless the Chinese officials prefer LD, BCL and CJ (or CH) to remain in Top-3 among Chinese players. That's why I don't think this theory makes too much sense.

Conspiracy Theory: There is a possible but unlikely explanation - Chinese officials were trying to manipulate their players' world rankings. If that's the case, however, it should be LD who concede a WO because CY needs the WR points more to boost his ranking while LD is having a comfortable lead, unless the Chinese officials prefer LD, BCL and CJ (or CH) to remain in Top-3 among Chinese players. That's why I don't think this theory makes too much sense.

Doesn't matter what's the story behind the walk, if it's fake injury then is not good for this sport. I understand there is gray area in determining real or fake injuries as player can pretend to be injured during examination. However, there are many rules WBF can put in to prevent this thing from happening in the future, really not that difficult to figure out as medical examination is only one of the aspects. In Chen Yu case, it's so obvious so consequence should be imposed even after the event else you can bet the same thing will happen on Swiss Open again.
German Organiser did the right thing to protest and hope WBF will do something.

Conspiracy Theory: There is a possible but unlikely explanation - Chinese officials were trying to manipulate their players' world rankings. If that's the case, however, it should be LD who concede a WO because CY needs the WR points more to boost his ranking while LD is having a comfortable lead, unless the Chinese officials prefer LD, BCL and CJ (or CH) to remain in Top-3 among Chinese players. That's why I don't think this theory makes too much sense.
There's no way LD can be the one to concede a WO because then he will have to play like injured in AE and looking at his draw,even if he got past Roslin he wouldn't get past Sony.In fact if he had played the GO MSF, he probably would have lost to Roslin since their match was so close. Playing one extra match can mean a loss instead of a win when winning is down to the margin.
LYB will want LD to pile up his RP so that there's enough insurance for him to stay in the top 8 or maybe the main draw should he be injured and out for 6 months. Can you imagine if LD had to go through what WCH is going through right now?
CY is playing the role of a slave , just like CH before except there's no need for match orders because LD will always beat him (flat) whereas LD fears CH.
So nothing free for CY.
In any case, if the knee injury was so bad CY had to skip the GO MSF, he wouldn't have gotten past CJ at all.
But I really don't know what is worse: no MSF or the lowest quality MSF played as a formality like yesterday's which was a waste of time.
To LYB , winning is what counts, even if it means he will be remembered as the winning coward.