Hi all,

We're going to be running a team competition night at Friday Social on the 23rd of March, it will run in parallel with the standard social using the same courts. The competition is open to anyone that wants to play.

Details

The proposal is to have three person teams competing in a round-robin draw, four teams is the target which will ensure we can complete all the games.
All games will be doubles: rally scoring to 21, no setting. Teams will play 3 games against each of the other teams and accrue points as detailed below. The team (or teams) with the most points at the end of the night is the
winner.

To balance the teams we will use the handicap system but in a modified form. The usual method for calculating a net handicap for the game is used to arrive at a value of 0 and 16 points. In each game the scoring starts at 0-0, the team that reaches 21 points first is awarded one point. The net handicap is then added to the score of the appropriate team to yield the handicap score for the game. If one team's handicap score is greater than the other's by 4 or more points they are awarded a bonus point.

Consider this trial a one-off for the time being, if things go well we will consider running short season (4 - 6 weeks) competitions.

So what are you waiting for?

To register your interest please reply to this thread or PM me. I would prefer that you organise your own teams, nominate a captain and post your fear inspiring team name. Chris has generously offered to award a mystery prize to the winning team, for now it will be known as the CCC Surprize.

Consider this trial a one-off for the time being, if things go well we will consider running short season (4 - 6 weeks) competitions.

It's a good idea to get regular people in.

For the long season, I only wish that you can get enough people for that. But let's wait for things to see.

Consider this trial a one-off for the time being, if things go well we will consider running short season (4 - 6 weeks) competitions.

So what are you waiting for?

To register your interest please reply to this thread or PM me. I would prefer that you organise your own teams, nominate a captain and post your fear inspiring team name.


Greetings,

I am interested to participate in this league. :):):)

However, because I am already involved in so many other things for our regular CCC session, I wish not to be captain.

BTW, if we are to have 4 teams of 3 players each, in other words, only 12 players participating in this league, then the usage of our 4 courts on our 'CCC League Night' will be 2 courts for League players, and 2 for Regular Social Players.

Cheers... chris@ccc

Hi DP,

I will be the first to keep the ball rolling again or is it because of the time zone difference , I am always ahead ?. And also to make sure I have a chance to play on the 6-04-2007 and 13-04-07.

To pick my team i put names (except DP - the organiser and Fuji - the injured) on pieces of paper and randomly pick them . Here are my teams for those 2 nights:-

6-04-07
A team
Captain Badfever
andreg

Backup squad

Lily
Chiranthi

and

13-04-07

A Team
Captain smashed1
Jason Bendigo

Backup squad
Captain Kung
Jack

The above names please contact me asap for detail of incentives for that night

Backup squad
Captain Kung
Jack

It's captain hung, my friend.

Hi yschin, sure I can play in your team on 6/04/07, if the competition is still available. Make sure you bring back with you the Yonex AT900T. FYI, Chris is picking up our (Andrew, Badfever and DP) AT900T on this coming Sunday. Can't wait to play with it.

FYI, Chris is picking up our (Andrew, Badfever and DP) AT900T on this coming Sunday. Can't wait to play with it.

Hi Chris & Badfever,

that's good news.. hehee. can't wait.. :D
so we know how much it is yet?? i should prepare some $$ for chris tomorrow..

Cheers,
Andrew

that's good news.. hehee. can't wait.. :D
so we know how much it is yet?? i should prepare some $$ for chris tomorrow..


Hi andrewlyw,

It's $220 for the AT-900 Technique and it's only for members@ccc.

Rackets come without strings.

Yes, please bring your money tomorrow night, Friday 9-Mar-2007, as I am low in my cash flow.

With all moneys collected, I will pay and collect the rackets on Sunday, 11-Mar-2007.

Cheers... chris@ccc

Hi andrewlyw,

It's $220 for the AT-900 Technique and it's only for members@ccc.

Rackets come without strings.

Yes, please bring your money tomorrow night, Friday 9-Mar-2007, as I am low in my cash flow.

With all moneys collected, I will pay and collect the rackets on Sunday, 11-Mar-2007.

Cheers... chris@ccc

thanks for that Chris. I'll give you the $$ tomorrow....;)

Hi DP,
I will be the first to keep the ball rolling again or is it because of the time zone difference , I am always ahead ?. And also to make sure I have a chance to play on the 6-04-2007 and 13-04-07...


Hey Yschin,

If all goes well with the trial on the 23rd March then we can organise another single night competition for April 13th. So, Captain Hung and others, what do you say about finding a fillin for the 23rd March to make Friday the 13th next month a lucky day for Yschin?

DP

Hi,

To make it clear, the trial league is for one night only on the 23rd March. As I've mentioned just above if all goes well then we can look at a second single night on the 13th April.

DP

Greetings,

Your reponses are not good enough !!!. :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Since DoublesPlease put up this notice/thread, I can only see 2 participants interested so far; myself and yschin(although he wants to play on 6 & 13-Apr-2007 only, which is not the subject in question).

Please have a moment of thought for our organiser, DoublesPlease. We require meaningful/solid feedback.

In this case, DoublesPlease requires a yes/no response from players@ccc. He needs names.

Although some made comments in this thread, you actually haven't submitted your commitment to participate in it. :):):)

Cheers... chris@ccc

I am interested.

CCC Trial League Participants:
1) DoublesPlease
2) Chris@CCC
3) yschin
4) hkhung
5) BadFever
6)

Hi all,

I like the idea of the league.. but I couldn't make it on the 23rd Mar.. girlfriend's birthday... :o

but i would love to participate any future ones..;)

but i would love to participate any future ones..;)

No problem Andrew, I'll put you down on the future list. After last night we have 3 more people interested and currently the list is:

CCC Trial League Participants:
1) DoublesPlease
2) Chris@CCC
3) hkhung
4) BadFever
5) Andrewghw
6) Smashed_1
7) Siva

I've removed Yschin from the list for the 23rd given the distance you'd have to travel unless you're going to be in the country at that time Yschin?

So 5 more to go. Fuji, good way to practice for tournaments. How about the guys from last week's friendly? And anyone else, you do not need to be a member to play. Remember, this is a one day trial only.

DP

currently the list is:

CCC Trial League Participants:
1) DoublesPlease
2) Chris@CCC
3) hkhung
4) BadFever
5) Andrewghw
6) Smashed_1
7) Siva

So 5 more to go. Fuji, good way to practice for tournaments. How about the guys from last week's friendly? And anyone else, you do not need to be a member to play. Remember, this is a one day trial only.


Hi DoublesPlease,

And kwongj is another participant, who is doubtful and yet to be confirmed...... because of his work roster.

Cheers... chris@ccc

I've removed Yschin from the list for the 23rd given the distance you'd have to travel unless you're going to be in the country at that time Yschin?

DP

Pilot on strike for my private jet over some kind of a mother of union reforms. Only kidding about the randomly picked team. All low handicappers in my team ?

Just a slot in any team is good enough if the trial goes on for another 6 weeks. Not forgetting I am no longer a member of CCC but MCCC's member instead.

Thks

Only kidding about the randomly picked team. All low handicappers in my team ?

Yschin, the team is so nicely typed up, for a while i thought the team is serious. I wonder whether you graduate at the same school of thought as myself

Just a slot in any team is good enough if the trial goes on for another 6 weeks. Not forgetting I am no longer a member of CCC but MCCC's member instead.

What's MCCC?

Hi All,

As mentioned above the competition trial will be *for one night only*, if you commit to play it will be *for one night only* on the 23rd March. I would like to have the teams sorted out before next Wednesday (21st Mar) so that those interested can have a hit together that night. I have a hat here that I'll use Tuesday night (20th March) for selecting any outstanding teams.

The play is quite straightforward. Each team will play 3 games against every other team. Player 1 & Player 2 of Team A vs Player 1 & Player 2 of Team B, 1 & 3 vs 1 & 3 and 2 & 3 vs 2 & 3. Scoring as explained in the first post of this thread.

DP

What's MCCC?

Who else? Only Capt Kung as expected would ask. Malaysia's CCC set up but only one member now.

Malaysia's CCC set up but only one member now.


Hi yschin,

I am so happy with KKK/TBH winning the All-England 2007 Mens Doubles yesterday, 11-Mar-2007.

Everyone in Malaysia is now celebrating !!! :):):)

I have made a comment about this event in our CCC Thread, located at; http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?p=527988#post527988

Cheers... chris@ccc

...
So 5 more to go. Fuji, good way to practice for tournaments.
...
DP
Hi DP,

Sorry for the late notice, have been busy this weekend...
I will be available for the friendly on 23/3.
Pls do put my name down.

Cheers,
Kee

Pls do put my name down.


Thanks Fuji. BK has sent me a message opting in too.

CCC Trial League Participants:
1) DoublesPlease
2) Chris@CCC
3) hkhung
4) BadFever
5) Andrewghw
6) Smashed_1
7) Siva
8) BK
9) Fuji

DP

Based on the list, I am asking this question in consideration of our captain hkhung cos I think this need to be made clear before the trial so that there is not going to be any bad feelings after the competition. Actually, I am more worry about captain hkhung's partner and not the captain himself. :p

Since we are calling this a competiton and not social game, can I assume we should play seriously, in other words, no messing around? When opportunity arise, a kill is a kill. Or this is just a trial and not to be considered as competition. I think I need not interpret further. ;)

Chris, I think your opinion on this will help myself and the rests understand what can/cannot be done during the competition. You know la, we are not professional.....so, "ball got no eyes". :)

Based on the list, I am asking this question in consideration of our captain hkhung cos I think this need to be made clear before the trial so that there is not going to be any bad feelings after the competition. Actually, I am more worry about captain hkhung's partner and not the captain himself. :p

Since we are calling this a competiton and not social game, can I assume we should play seriously, in other words, no messing around? When opportunity arise, a kill is a kill. Or this is just a trial and not to be considered as competition. I think I need not interpret further. ;)

Chris, I think your opinion on this will help myself and the rests understand what can/cannot be done during the competition. You know la, we are not professional.....so, "ball got no eyes". :)
Hi BadFever,

Yes, this CCC League is a Competition, and not a Social...... and I encourage that we should play seriously.

And you have forgotten that I have said that even in our Social, we should play seriously, and please, no messing around.

The only exception is "No Hard Smashes targeting at our Ladies"...... this is because I am afraid that some of our ladies, who are slower in their reflexes, could get hurt in their faces, and at the worst, in their eyes.

It would be great if our players@ccc, males or females, with slower reflexes, are to come with goggles. :):):)

However, as I have said at our suppers/meetings, "What I am concerned with is the pairing".

When the No.1(highest skilled) is partnering the No.3(lowest skilled), the No.1 could be totally left out of the game...... all shots would be directed to the weaker player, leaving the stronger player with no play at all.

And DoublesPlease realises this. :):):)

Cheers... chris@ccc

Regarding how you play I have two things to say:

pull no punches

and

the hat knows no favourites

DP

Based on the list, I am asking this question in consideration of our captain hkhung cos I think this need to be made clear before the trial so that there is not going to be any bad feelings after the competition. Actually, I am more worry about captain hkhung's partner and not the captain himself. :p

Since we are calling this a competiton and not social game, can I assume we should play seriously, in other words, no messing around? When opportunity arise, a kill is a kill. Or this is just a trial and not to be considered as competition. I think I need not interpret further. ;)

Chris, I think your opinion on this will help myself and the rests understand what can/cannot be done during the competition. You know la, we are not professional.....so, "ball got no eyes".

Badfever:

G, am i in trouble?

Sorry, i do understand what you mean in terms of "killing the shot". I also don't think there gonna be any bad feelings unless money is involved which is not the case in this comp.

So, i wonder why is my name mentioned? I aplogise in advance if i didn't read something carefully or miss post.

Anyhow, will clarify that on wednesday.

We have 12 players for the competition, note that Chris@CCC has given his place so that Ashraf can squeeze in.

Please let me know if you have a team organised before next Tuesday. There will be a live selection of outstanding names 6:45pm Tuesday in this forum.

CCC Trial League Participants:
1) DoublesPlease
2) Kulwinder
3) hkhung
4) BadFever
5) Andrewghw
6) Smashed_1
7) Siva
8) BK
9) Fuji
10) Ketut-S
11) Tony-P
12) Ashraf

Hi DP, I will need to give the Trial League Competition a miss this 23 Mar. Will be going for night shift work. That's why have been MIA for the last 2 Friday socials. Will gladly participate on next upcoming competitions. Good Luck to all. Don't pick on our captain Hung. :) Cheers, BK

We have 12 players for the competition, note that Chris@CCC has given his place so that Ashraf can squeeze in.

Please let me know if you have a team organised before next Tuesday. There will be a live selection of outstanding names 6:45pm Tuesday in this forum.

CCC Trial League Participants:
1) DoublesPlease
2) Kulwinder
3) hkhung
4) BadFever
5) Andrewghw
6) Smashed_1
7) Siva
8) BK
9) Fuji
10) Ketut-S
11) Tony-P
12) Ashraf


Greetings,

Received this email from DoublesPlease;

====== start mail ======

Hey Chris,

BK has pulled out of competition next Friday, are you available?

====== end mail ======

Again, DoublesPlease made me cut and paste his email... :mad::mad::mad:

I was the first to indicate that I was interested to participate in your league, just to keep the ball rolling (please refer to post#3 of this thread).

Last night, Ashraf asked to be included. So I gave my spot to him.

There are many others like Ashraf, who don't read our forum...... so don't be surprised that another player may want BK168's spot. And this could happen on or before your night of your Trial League.

But if BK168's spot is not taken, of course I will take it. :):):)

However, I feel that I should be used with restraint, so that I can attend to the other Social Players@CCC... because someone has to play host@ccc and to look after and to take care of them.

This post is made because of 2 reasons;

(1) We wish to have OPEN COMMUNICATIONS within CCC Badminton. We encourage players@ccc to post their communication in our CCC Badminton Forum.

chris@ccc can get up to 100 emails/private messages from Badminton Central in ONE day.

(2) chris@ccc is under great stress... because he is involved with too many Badminton matters at the moment... so guys, please use our threads via CCC Badminton Forum.

Cheers... chris@ccc

We have 12 players for the competition, note that Chris@CCC has given his place so that Ashraf can squeeze in.

Please let me know if you have a team organised before next Tuesday. There will be a live selection of outstanding names 6:45pm Tuesday in this forum.

CCC Trial League Participants:
1) DoublesPlease
2) Kulwinder
3) hkhung
4) BadFever
5) Andrewghw
6) Smashed_1
7) Siva
8) BK
9) Fuji
10) Ketut-S
11) Tony-P
12) Ashraf


Thanks. I will be participating on friday, 23/03. For Chris, I'm coming this wednesday, 21/03. Just a gentle reminder that the tension of my racket is to be strung at 22-23lb. Thanks Chris.

Chris, I'm coming this wednesday, 21/03.


Hi Ketut,

Yes, I have reserved a Casual Trainee vacancy for you this Wednesday 21-Mar-2007.

You are replacing Edward-C on that day. :):):)

And please read at least the last few posts of our thread, CCC Badminton: CATS@Waverley Wed 7:30pm-10:00pm, located at: http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=35687

Cheers... chris@ccc

We have one more place available for a competition player next Friday. If you're interested then please step forward.

Current Lineup:

CCC Trial League Participants:
1) DoublesPlease
2) Kulwinder
3) hkhung
4) BadFever
5) Andrewghw
6) Smashed_1
7) Siva
8) Fuji
9) Ketut-S
10) Tony-P
11) Ashraf
12) ...

Hi,

I am interested to play the league on 23/3.

Joseph

I am interested to play the league on 23/3.


Good on you jwksam !!! :):):)

Thanks Joseph,

Current Lineup:

CCC Trial League Participants:
1) DoublesPlease
2) Kulwinder
3) hkhung
4) BadFever
5) Andrewghw
6) Smashed_1
7) Siva
8) Fuji
9) Ketut-S
10) Tony-P
11) Ashraf
12) Jwksam

Hi DoublesPlease, can you please see if you can find someone to replace me. Reason being, since I am not coming on this Wednesday social, I am thinking of skipping Friday as well and see if I can fully recover myself from my tennis elbow.

Oh, before I forget, below is the link to the video of one of the longest rally point during All England 2007. Enjoy.
http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=41515

Hi DoublesPlease, can you please see if you can find someone to replace me. Reason being, since I am not coming on this Wednesday social, I am thinking of skipping Friday as well and see if I can fully recover myself from my tennis elbow.


Hi BadFever,

Please don't tell me that your tennis elbow is induced by playing with your new AT-900 Technique Yonex Racket, requested to be strung by me for you @25 lbs. :):):)

Cheers... chris@ccc

Hey Badfever,

I've bumped you off the list, leaving one more space. Hope you're fit for the next one.

We need one more player for the trial league. Team selection will be tomorrow at 6:45pm in this forum. Current lineup:

CCC Trial League Participants:
1) DoublesPlease
2) Kulwinder
3) hkhung
4) ...
5) Andrewghw
6) Smashed_1
7) Siva
8) Fuji
9) Ketut-S
10) Tony-P
11) Ashraf
12) Jwksam

DP

Just a gentle reminder that the tension of my racket is to be strung at 22-23lb.


Hi Ketut,

Yes, I have received your email asking me to now string your racket @24-25 lbs.

I hope that you guys understand that special care/consideration is required to play with strings strung at higher tensions. :rolleyes:

With a higher tension, the 'Sweet Spot' will be made smaller. And the vibrations felt will be more pronounced.

Cheers... chris@ccc

Hi BadFever,

Please don't tell me that your tennis elbow is induced by playing with your new AT-900 Technique Yonex Racket, requested to be strung by me for you @25 lbs. :):):)

Cheers... chris@ccc

No Chris, I got tennis elbow when I was using my CAB20 after I put on a really thick grip. My condition got worse during our friendly with JT Ultra. I was still using CAB20 then. After switching to a smaller grip racket, I kinda recovered but not fully. Every now and then, I am getting this pinching feel on my elbow, no pain but uncomfortable. So, I thought since I am taking a break on Wednesday (not because of tennis elbow, but I am going to watch World Championship diving in MSAC, yeah, I get to see babes in swimsuit committing suicide 10m jump :D ), I might as well skip Friday and, hopefully, a 10 days break can take away the pinching feel completely.

My AT900Ts is giving me plenty of power. Don't worry, they are still my main rackets until Yonex comes out with a "Whiter" racket than AT900T. :p :)

Another bump, Tony-P can't make it so I am now looking for two players. Please ensure that if your name is on the list that you will be there this Friday.


CCC Trial League Participants:
1) DoublesPlease
2) Kulwinder
3) hkhung
4) ...
5) Andrewghw
6) Smashed_1
7) Siva
8) Fuji
9) Ketut-S
10) ...
11) Ashraf
12) Jwksam

DP

Welcome to the CCC Trial League team selection.

On my right is the hat who will soon be filled with torn up bits of envelope numbered from 1 to 12. Without peeking I will select the numbers 3 at a time to form the teams.

Please allow a couple of moments for things to be prepared...

DP

The paper bits are now thoroughly mixed.

Let us begin, the first lucky number issssssssssss...

4

followed by 5 and 11...

so that's the first team picked.

Team 2:

1, 10 & 6

Team 3:

7, 9 and 3

and team 4:

8, 12 and 2

so, a little cut and paste magic:

Team 1
4) *** Mystery player #1 ***
5) Andrewghw
11) Ashraf

Team 2
1) DoublesPlease
10) *** Mystery Player #2 ***
6) Smashed_1

Team 3
7) Siva
9) Ketut-S
3) hkhung

Team 4
8) Fuji
12) Jwksam
2) Kulwinder

Later tonight I'll post more information including handicaps for each player.

DP

so, a little cut and paste magic:


Later tonight I'll post more information including handicaps for each player.

DP

Great live draw DP :) ... technology!.
good to have Fuji back!!!! :).... is badfever still coming to support us?

Player Handicaps + more info

Handicaps are from listing 2 weeks ago for members, handicaps for non-members are 0. Note that handicaps are fixed for the night.

Please read the first post in this thread for scoring method.

I want to get play started at 8pm that night which gives players a good warmup. We have 18 games to get through on two courts which will be easily achievable provided we limit the warmup between games to less than 5 minutes. I will have a whiteboard keeping track of games and scores. Keep an eye on the whiteboard so you know when you will be playing next.

One of the players from the previous game to score please; up to the players but it's normally a perk of winning that you can have a sit.

Team 1
4) *** Mystery player #1 *** (Mystery handicap)
5) Andrewghw (-8)
11) Ashraf (0)

Team 2
1) DoublesPlease (-8)
10) *** Mystery Player #2 *** (Mystery handicap)
6) Smashed_1 (-6)

Team 3
7) Siva (-6)
9) Ketut-S (-4)
3) hkhung (+8)

Team 4
8) Fuji (-4)
12) Jwksam (0)
2) Kulwinder (0)

DP

technology!.

For those interested the hat will make an appearance on Friday, the envelope is a little worse for wear.

Hey S1, hope you don't mind me borrowing your scoring matrix from the other thread.

DP

Hi DoublesPlease,

Indeed, an interesting LIVE DRAW !!! :):):)

I have just posted our CCC Handicapped Games Results To Date (End of Friday 16-Mar-2007 Session).

You can update the handicaps, if you wish to use the latest results;



CCC Handicapped Games:
Results To Date (End of Friday 16-Mar-2007 Session):
The Handicaps for our 28 CCC Members are listed below.
Handicaps for our Casual Visitors are recorded, but not listed here.
-8 chris@ccc
-8 Andrew-N
-8 Jason-K
-8 Kevin-C
-8 Peter-L
-8 Tony-P
-6 Andrew-W
-6 Jason-F
-6 Siva-S
-4 Ashraf-S
-4 Boon Kain-T
-4 Daniel-S
-4 Kee-F
-4 Ketut-S
-2 Laurie-C
0 Eric-L
0 Jack-Y
0 Julian-H
0 Ken-H
+2 Abi-F
+4 Chiranthi-M
+4 Helmut-H
+4 JoeKinn-L
+4 Melchor-P
+8 Edward-C
+8 Lily-C
+8 Llewellyn-H
+8 Monica-H



BTW, our 100+ Casual Visitors' current handicaps are always recorded and the long updated list is always with me every Friday Session.

Looking at your Casual Visitors' entries, here are their handicaps;
jwksam (+8)
Kulwinder (-6)

Of course, for any other Casual Visitors entering later, they will find their handicaps from our list on the night. Or, they could post here for me to inform them of their handicaps.

Cheers... chris@ccc

Hey Chris,

I'll leave the handicaps where they are apart from updating the two you mentioned. Thanks.

Team 1
4) *** Mystery player #1 *** (Mystery handicap)
5) Andrewghw (-8)
11) Ashraf (0)

Team 2
1) DoublesPlease (-8)
10) *** Mystery Player #2 *** (Mystery handicap)
6) Smashed_1 (-6)

Team 3
7) Siva (-6)
9) Ketut-S (-4)
3) hkhung (+8)

Team 4
8) Fuji (-4)
12) Jwksam (+8)
2) Kulwinder (-6)

DP

if you really need more players with a handicap hovering around 8 ...

Helmut

.... is badfever still coming to support us?

BadFever is prohibiting himself from getting near a badminton court, otherwise the effort to fully recover is wasted. So, no, no and never for this occassion. :p :p

However, the urge to play is very high today. I think my blood pressure is very low now. So have to take plenty of sugar.

Hi DoublesPlease,

Below, I have adjusted the players' handicaps based on the latest CCC Handicapped Games Results (as at End of Friday 16-Mar-2007 Session).

Assuming that the (Mystery handicap)= 0, I added up each Team's Handicaps.

Team 1
4) *** Mystery player #1 *** (Mystery handicap)
5) Andrewghw (-8)
11) Ashraf (-4)
Team Handicaps = (-12)

Team 2
1) DoublesPlease (-8)
10) *** Mystery Player #2 *** (Mystery handicap)
6) Smashed_1 (-6)
Team Handicaps = (-14)

Team 3
7) Siva (-6)
9) Ketut-S (-4)
3) hkhung (0)
Team Handicaps = (-10)

Team 4
8) Fuji (-4)
12) Jwksam (+8)
2) Kulwinder (-6)
Team Handicaps = (-2)


Based on the Teams' Handicaps, the Expected Results for your Trial would be as follows;
Team 2 : Winner
Team 1 : 2nd
Team 3 : 3rd
Team 4 : 4th

Let's see if this will happen... :confused::confused::confused:

I hope I could be proven WRONG. :):):)

PS: I hope that the Handicaps of both Mystery players, #1 and #2, would be less than 0, best around +4, to make the Competition more challenging...... therefore, I am calling for Chiranthi and Helmut to participate. :):):)

Cheers... chris@ccc

and it's ... heads, so Helmut you are the masked, lycra vested, cape endowed Mystery Player #1.

and using the latest figures:

Team 1
4) Helmut (+8)
5) Andrewghw (-8)
11) Ashraf (-4)
Team Handicaps = (-4)

Team 2
1) DoublesPlease (-8)
10) *** Mystery Player #2 *** (Mystery handicap)
6) Smashed_1 (-6)
Team Handicaps = (-14)

Team 3
7) Siva (-6)
9) Ketut-S (-4)
3) hkhung (0)
Team Handicaps = (-10)

Team 4
8) Fuji (-4)
12) Jwksam (+8)
2) Kulwinder (-6)
Team Handicaps = (-2)

DP

Based on the Teams' Handicaps, the Expected Results for your Trial would be as follows;
Team 2 : Winner
Team 1 : 2nd
Team 3 : 3rd
Team 4 : 4th

Team 3 finish 3rd? no pressure for me then.

Team 3 finish 3rd? no pressure for me then.

You better pray that Siva is not reading your post or expect to have one absentee on Friday. :p

Anyway, good luck to all participants. Try to enjoy the comp and, Fuji, don't break your back again. :cool: :D

and using the latest figures:

Team 1
4) Helmut (+8)


Hey DoublesPlease,

Based on the End-Of-Friday Session on 16-Mar-2007, Helmut is on (+4).

So Team 2's handicaps is now on -8.

Yes... I know... I elaborate on the Teams' Handicapped Points too much. :):):)

It's the 'Luck of the Draw' and 'Anything can happen on the Night'... you may say. :p:p:p

Cheers... chris@ccc

Team 3 finish 3rd? no pressure for me then.

Is that Siva in the pic with S1? Without hesitation I go for your team .. T3 champion. Handicaps has levelled the playing field.

A suggestion for future league if it is going to make it more interesting :-

1. Regular partners who are low handicappers (-4 to -8) should not be in the hat but should form a team with the remaining member (high h'capper) to be picked from a hat. That way he can both partner a low as well as high h'cap and a chance to play against 3-4 strong pairs. The high h'cap ( +2 to +8) will play more with low than high h'cap which is good.

2. 4 to 5 teams play in the league. At the end of the day the last team will be dropped and replaced by another team the following week. The high h'cap in each team will be reshuffled.

3. After a few weeks, the reverse can be arranged i.e regular high h'cappers partners will form teams with the remaining spot filled by low h'capper from the hat etc etc. Meanwhile the low h'cappers play socially among themselves waiting to be 'promoted'.

4. The handicap system will be temporary made redundant for the league for we should know by now who is high and who is low i.e no bonus points to start.

5. Absentees is not a big problem as they can easily be filled by those not in the league.

Hopefully, everyone will play hard to stay in the league and our Capt will be under pressure all the time.

I hope it is not too theoretical.

S1 - i only have a copy of the magazine. Older issues not on sale and I have no idea who the distributor is.

1. Regular partners who are low handicappers (-4 to -8) should not be in the hat but should form a team with the remaining member (high h'capper) to be picked from a hat. That way he can both partner a low as well as high h'cap and a chance to play against 3-4 strong pairs. The high h'cap ( +2 to +8) will play more with low than high h'cap which is good.

I agree to anything that will even out the teams, it has just so happened that the teams have kinda worked out that way in this trial by chance. So assuming that the organiser won't stack his own team with super MP#2 we should have team handicaps between -10 and -2.


2. 4 to 5 teams play in the league. At the end of the day the last team will be dropped and replaced by another team the following week. The high h'cap in each team will be reshuffled..

If only we had that many players to go around. Two 'leagues' that interchanged teams similar to the pommy footy.


3. After a few weeks, the reverse can be arranged i.e regular high h'cappers partners will form teams with the remaining spot filled by low h'capper from the hat etc etc. Meanwhile the low h'cappers play socially among themselves waiting to be 'promoted'..

I'll need a diagram for this one Yschin...


4. The handicap system will be temporary made redundant for the league for we should know by now who is high and who is low i.e no bonus points to start.

If there was a small difference in standard between the players no problem, with a large difference it will be next to impossible to balance teams. Remember that the handicap will contribute at most 50% of the overall team score and we're halfway to no bonuses already.

DP

carry 1 mutter mutter

Team 1
4) Helmut (+4)
5) Andrewghw (-8)
11) Ashraf (-4)
Team Handicaps = (-8)

Team 2
1) DoublesPlease (-8)
10) *** Mystery Player #2 *** (Mystery handicap)
6) Smashed_1 (-6)
Team Handicaps = (-14)

Team 3
7) Siva (-6)
9) Ketut-S (-4)
3) hkhung (0)
Team Handicaps = (-10)

Team 4
8) Fuji (-4)
12) Jwksam (+8)
2) Kulwinder (-6)
Team Handicaps = (-2)

DP

DP,

You got me wrong, Not running two leagues at the same time or trying to balance the strength of the teams and be a champion of fairness. But rather trying to achieve the objectives of:-

Getting stronger players to play more among themselves with some ‘mixed double’ games in it and weaker players play more among themselves with some stronger players in it to boost the games. Two league at different times.

This is based on the fact that stronger players tend to like playing with players of their strength. On the other hand, weaker players wouldn’t mind playing with stronger players because a stronger player can adapt to them.

It is a fact that in most other clubs , stronger players tend to play among themselves and the weaker or begineers confine to a court all by themselves.

Trying to accommodate everyone is always not easy.

I am sure Chris would like to give this a try to add some varieties to the current system. The current system works well but still stronger pair will only occasionally pick a weaker pair and I think to play ‘mixed’ against ‘mixed’ can be more challenging than against a pair that is so much different in standards than your pairing. Even handicaps doesn't make any different but cut short the playing time.

(‘mixed’ – weak + strong)

The current system works well but still stronger pair will only occasionally pick a weaker pair

As this discussion is quite interesting, it's time for me to type up an essay again.

From my understanding (please correct me if i am wrong), our CCC club aims to be a "social" club, hence we are not trying to prepare ourselves for comp. Otherwise, we would have strong players play among ourselves all nite.

Throughout the last couple of weeks, once the handicap board comes back, I have seen there has been a tendency towards strong picking strong. Also weak picking weak thinking they have nothing to learn while playing strong cos the skill level is too wide.

In fact, i personally think strong vs weak with the amount of headstart, it's more pressure on strong players. In the new scoring system, every shot is counted, so huge pressure on service.

This is based on the fact that stronger players tend to like playing with players of their strength. On the other hand, weaker players wouldn’t mind playing with stronger players because a stronger player can adapt to them.

Basing on the weaker player would be picked on, I don't know how that would work. In the following scenarios

- one weak player among 4 person (something that has happened to me before quite often).
- two weak player among 4 person
In both scenario, we cannot avoid either strong players keep heaping to each other OR weak players completely being left out of the game.

I cannot see how this would be beneficial to strong player.

It's true that strong player can adapt to weak, but what's weak player gonna do?

Let's get people to talk about this!

Hey DP, may I suggest Chiranthi to be your Mystery Player. That should bring your team standard more evenly with the rests. Also, since this is a Trial only, maybe it's a good idea to include a lady player. Just a suggestion.

As this discussion is quite interesting, it's time for me to type up an essay again.

From my understanding (please correct me if i am wrong), our CCC club aims to be a "social" club, hence we are not trying to prepare ourselves for comp.




Hi Capt, good points you raised.

I am fully aware that Chris has constantly reminded us about this being a "social" club. Then again, how many of you treat this primarily as social and badminton as secondary ? I would think a majority think otherwise i.e the other way.

Organising comp such as league, interclubs etc is one way of encouraging players to socialise more i.e something in common to talk and discuss about over supper, forum etc. What other better way ??

One cannot avoid occassionally being targeted at whether playing badminton or talking rubbish. I know Badfever like to smash at me - he can't wait.

Cheers

Considering that not everyone is sitting in front of the computer most of the time like myself or attend supper.

I nominate Badfever to be the one who will post large notices alongside the handicap board informing of "UPCOMING EVENTS".

I nominate Badfever to be the one who will post large notices alongside the handicap board informing of "UPCOMING EVENTS".

Upcoming events? :confused: :confused: :confused: Like what?

As for hkhung post, I have only got one thing to say. When Chris/DP or anyone spend their time and effort to organise a so called COMPETITION, it is then a COMPETITION and not a social game. You play like how you normally play in "pay to entry" COMPETITION, such as Altona Open, Melbourne Open, etc. You play to WIN. You do not just play for fun or just expect a lousy outcome. Giving yourself a reason not to win before a COMPETITION is purely LAME. I pity your partner/s if you are playing in a team event.

ooooi, yschin, when are you coming back, huh? Make sure you bring along your AT900. Then I can get you to organise a yschin's Super League and the prize is your AT900. :p

I am fully aware that Chris has constantly reminded us about this being a "social" club. Then again, how many of you treat this primarily as social and badminton as secondary ? I would think a majority think otherwise i.e the other way.


Hi yschin,


Oops...... This is not what I meant, as you have quoted.


My vision of a 'SOCIAL' Badminton Club is as opposed to a 'SEGREGATION' Badminton Club.


Perhaps, a better word/description to describe our CCC is a 'COMMUNITY' Badminton Club. :):):)

I insist that anyone playing @CCC should mix around and play with every other players, regardless of their skill levels. :cool::cool::cool:


Cheers... chris@ccc

Hi yschin,




I insist that anyone playing @CCC should mix around and play with every other players, regardless of their skill levels. :cool::cool::cool:




Cheers... chris@ccc


Unfortunately, the league doesn't attract many high +ve players, segregation happens naturally unless we mixed them up.

Upcoming events? :confused: :confused: :confused: Like what?

ooooi, yschin, when are you coming back, huh? Make sure you bring along your AT900. Then I can get you to organise a yschin's Super League and the prize is your AT900. :p

Like my superleague.

I thought your turn to be picked but you really know how to shut me up.. ok I 'll shut up for now.

Unfortunately, the league doesn't attract many high +ve players, segregation happens naturally unless we mixed them up.


Hi yschin,

We should respect our weaker players' wishes...... if they do not wish to participate in the League. :):):)

Cheers... chris@ccc

As for hkhung post, I have only got one thing to say. When Chris/DP or anyone spend their time and effort to organise a so called COMPETITION, it is then a COMPETITION and not a social game. You play like how you normally play in "pay to entry" COMPETITION, such as Altona Open, Melbourne Open, etc. You play to WIN. You do not just play for fun or just expect a lousy outcome. Giving yourself a reason not to win before a COMPETITION is purely LAME. I pity your partner/s if you are playing in a team event.


Hi DoublesPlease,

If you have been following the posts in this thread, I think you have noticed that we should not have used the word 'COMPETITION' for our CCC League.

In future... let us call it 'The CCC League Games'. :cool::cool::cool:

In fact, I have been using the word 'GAMES' for our CCC Handicapped lately, because hkhung and some others are too hyped-up when they hear the word 'COMPETITION'. :):):)

We want participation, like for the Olympic Games. Many participants from many countries take part in the Olympics, knowing they have no chance of winning. However, it is the participation and the trying of their PB (Personal Best) that is important.

It is the PARTICIPATION of players@CCC we want for our League, regardless of their skill levels.

Yes, I am encouraging all players@CCC to speak out on this matter. :cool::cool::cool:

Cheers... chris@ccc

If you have been following the posts in this thread, I think you have noticed that we should not have used the word 'COMPETITION' for our CCC League.

Right on right on, as words can be misleading, this is even more so for people who only follow CCC through discussion board.

As i can see now, the friday trial league is like a friendly, so no chance for me to do any "unfriendly" things like growling and yelling.


We want participation, like for the Olympic Games. Many participants from many countries take part in the Olympics, knowing they have no chance of winning. However, it is the participation and the trying of their PB (Personal Best) that is important.

This comment is spot on.

Hi hkhung,

It appears that you just woke up from bed for today... and I am now going to bed for yesterday. :):):)

See you tonight, Friday 23-Mar-2007, at CCC Community Badminton.

Cheers... chris@ccc

Hi yschin,

We should respect our weaker players' wishes...... if they do not wish to participate in the League. :):):)

Cheers... chris@ccc

Chris,

Don’t be mistaken , your wishes for the club as well as other members wishes will always be respected. Wrong choice of words for me …it should read as - to avoid segregation they should be encouraged to participate rather than ‘mixed them up’.

I considered myself to be the strong one among the weak rather than the weak among the strong, so I am the self appointed spokeperson for the weaker players :D only kidding.

I was actually suggesting a league for the weaker players with some stronger players among them sometime after this but the irregular attendances makes any organiser a big headache. Anyway just to gauge responses :p nothing serious about it .

For those too hyped up about competition , there are competitions every other week around Melb.

I considered myself to be the strong one among the weak rather than the weak among the strong, so I am the self appointed spokeperson for the weaker players :D only kidding.


Hi yschin,

You are very modest...based on our CCC records, your handicaps is at -4, last played on Friday 8-Dec-2006.

It's 6:20am Melbourne Time now... I've got to get some sleep. :):):)

Good Night... chris@ccc

I considered myself to be the strong one among the weak rather than the weak among the strong, so I am the self appointed spokeperson for the weaker players :D only kidding.

I am so glad you said "only kidding", cos there are gonna be people out there who take whatever said here seriously.


I was actually suggesting a league for the weaker players with some stronger players among them sometime after this but the irregular attendances makes any organiser a big headache. Anyway just to gauge responses :p nothing serious about it .

Unless you get make sure weaker players are not left our completely out of this game, i don't know how this would be beneficial to weak/strong player.


For those too hyped up about competition , there are competitions every other week around Melb.

To be honest, i don't think many of CCC are interested in comp (season or 1 day).

On a side note, i am looking forward to my D grade when comps resume in next month or two.

And Chris, have fun with your sleep. You are the only "mature" (i was gonna type old) person that i know to stay out all nite.

We want participation, like for the Olympic Games. Many participants from many countries take part in the Olympics, knowing they have no chance of winning. However, it is the participation and the trying of their PB (Personal Best) that is important.
Cheers... chris@ccc

Sorry to say that I disagree on the above, Chris. I believe a lot of people out there are happy to spend $10000 or more just to participate in Olympic Games once in their lifetime but they can't. You have to compete in major tournaments/competitions to gain points to participate in Olympic. Even if you have enough money to join all Open Competitions around the world, that's still not good enough. You have to win enough matches to gain points for Olympics. So, in my definitions, Olympic is 100% Competition based, you have to compete and win to become one of the best to be able to participate. I am sure you are not making CCC into such priviledge club right?

Anyway, thanks Chris for providing a clearer definition of what CCC club is. For now, I think I am just interested to participate in CCC's badminton social night, nothing else. I am very happy with DP's excellent social sticky board system, everyone get to choose or be chosen. I almost forgot, social badminton night plus social badminton supper, that's all. :) :)

Hope everyone enjoy their games tonight.

See you guys next week.

I am sure you are not making CCC into such priviledge club right?


Very scary thought, one that would give Chris bad dream.



Anyway, thanks Chris for providing a clearer definition of what CCC club is. For now, I think I am just interested to participate in CCC's badminton social night, nothing else.


Bad, thank you for saying how you think. We need more people to say what they want (be it on the forum, or supper) otherwise we never know what they want.

And no, from the look of things, the one who suggest the particular thing/activity might not end up to be in organizing it. So that should be deter anyone suggesting anything.

Hi yschin,

You are very modest...based on our CCC records, your handicaps is at -4, last played on Friday 8-Dec-2006.

Good Night... chris@ccc

Of the 955 views on this thread todate, only me and Capt talked about the old issue of 'weak & strong'. Badfever only chipped in on being serious about competition. That goes to show vast majority don't give a sh.. about that anymore.

Can we conclude this topic by saying that most would agree with the quote from Badfever "just interested to participate in CCC's badminton social night, nothing else. I am very happy with DP's excellent social sticky board system, everyone get to choose or be chosen. I almost forgot, social badminton night plus social badminton supper".

Your anniversary is really something to celebrate about then. If at all possible, include 2 seats for me.... April?

I am going nut without badminton for too long.


Cheers

Of the 955 views on this thread todate, only me and Capt talked about the old issue of 'weak & strong'. Badfever only chipped in on being serious about competition. That goes to show vast majority don't give a sh.. about that anymore.

Yschin:

Funny you have to use s word, i use it the other time without realising that.

Seriously, stating the obvious is not gonna help. We better off thinking how to encourage people to talk more about matters in CCC.

And u know what, it is possible for people who are new to the club to assume Chris is the guy running things.

So we just have wait+see.

Anyway, good luck to all participants. Try to enjoy the comp and, Fuji, don't break your back again. :cool: :D

Thanks BadFever for the wishes, been busy lately with lots of work at work and at home, haven't carefully examine all the posts. Also just recovered from COLD.:( I need a new body mate...:D

I play slowly now and if the shuttle is not within my reach, me give up ! ;)

Chat to you soon.

Cheers,
Kee

Greetings,

Before DoublesPlease compiles and posts the Results for our CCC 1st Trial League Games,
I would like to say a Bid Thank You to the following players;

(1) Thank you DoublesPlease for planning and organising it. :):):)

(2) Thank you players@CCC who participated in it. :cool::cool::cool:

(3) Congratulations to andrewghw, helmut & gozzer, the WINNERS !!! ;););)

From our discussions at supper after our Games, it appears that it could be a go-ahead LeagueGames in the future.

BTW, DoublesPlease will be planning/organising our CCC 2nd Trial League Games, to be held on Friday 13-Apr-2007, when yscin can participate in this one. :):):)

Cheers... chris@ccc

I would like to say a Bid Thank You to the following players.


Saying it again correctly...

I would like to say a Big Thank You to the following players.

Sorry to say that I disagree on the above, Chris. I believe a lot of people out there are happy to spend $10000 or more just to participate in Olympic Games once in their lifetime but they can't. You have to compete in major tournaments/competitions to gain points to participate in Olympic. Even if you have enough money to join all Open Competitions around the world, that's still not good enough. You have to win enough matches to gain points for Olympics.


Hi BadFever,

What you have quoted is not quite true... :):):)

Take Australia for example;

Australia has never any chance of winning a medal of any colour in the history of the Olympic Games. Yet Australia never misses a chance to participate in Badminton in the Olympics.



I am sure you are not making CCC into such priviledge club right?


Yes, I have been thinking about this... :):):)

As the attendances of our players@CCC increases, CCC will need to become a privileged club, and here is the reason;
For a particular night/session, as you would have heard me saying again and again, when our attendace reaches 32, we will have to become exclusive and privileged.

Don't know if you have read yschin's post, #82, saying that 'That goes to show vast majority don't give a sh.. '.

Of course, for those who behave like what yschin has described will be the first to be asked to leave (when our attendance reaches 32). :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Don't be surprised that this could happen sooner than later. :):):)

I still remember when you suggested to me 'When we get to be overcrowded, only then we should start thinking of what to do'.

Well, I have thought about it and I thought that I should have a tentative plan... and now that you have brought up this subject matter, so here is IT: Players@CCC who just come to play and who has no feeling of concern for CCC will be the first to be asked to leave.

Just last night, 2 members informed us that because they will be likely to come less regularly, they have opted not to become members@ccc but just want to become casual visitors.

And this saddened me... because they think that CCC will always be there for them when they wish to attend, but they did not think that CCC requires their participation if CCC is to continue to operate/exist.



Anyway, thanks Chris for providing a clearer definition of what CCC Club is.


So here is another clearer definition/policy of our CCC Club.

Cheers... chris@ccc

Here's the photo of the winner:

Helmut on the left and Peter on the right

Here's the photo of the winner:


Hi hkhung,

THANK YOU for the photo.

It's a pity that andrewghw was too shy to have his photo taken. And sorry that gozzer couldn't attend supper, to celebrate the win with us.

Also a THANK YOU to DoublesPlease for the prizes.

Cheers... chris@ccc

:) Greetings all,

good guess by hkhung, I am new to ccc, thought all the time that chris is "The One and Only person" running the club..why? see chris' name everywhere in the forum; running around organising meals, supper, ordering racquets, collect $, activities reporting.....very impressive...

I enjoy the games at ccc & getting to know some of u...

good guess by hkhung, I am new to ccc,

Did i ever guess you? Cos I don't recall doing that in the forum.....

No Chris, I got tennis elbow when I was using my CAB20 after I put on a really thick grip. My condition got worse during our friendly with JT Ultra. I was still using CAB20 then. After switching to a smaller grip racket, I kinda recovered but not fully. Every now and then, I am getting this pinching feel on my elbow, no pain but uncomfortable. So, I thought since I am taking a break on Wednesday (not because of tennis elbow, but I am going to watch World Championship diving in MSAC, yeah, I get to see babes in swimsuit committing suicide 10m jump :D ), I might as well skip Friday and, hopefully, a 10 days break can take away the pinching feel completely.

My AT900Ts is giving me plenty of power. Don't worry, they are still my main rackets until Yonex comes out with a "Whiter" racket than AT900T. :p :)


Hi Badfever,

You might want to try using this tennis elbow absorber to prevent the inujury from happening again or get worst. I've seen quite a few badminton players using them and got myself one from a website from USA after getting some information from the users. In AU they are selling for AUD75 while in USA is only USD20/-

The details of the strap is here http://www.tennis-elbow.com/

If you want to buy from an AU site her is the site http://www.tennisranch.com.au/scripts/Info.exe?stkCode=606D106

If you want to save some money including postage is about AUD45/-
http://www.atafa.com/sports/products/Tenex_Elbow_Shock_Absorber_Aids_Supports_Racquets_ Sports_Accessories-1668.html

Cheers!

Yschin:

And u know what, it is possible for people who are new to the club to assume Chris is the guy running things.


Referring to this...not you guessing on me literally..

Hi Badfever,

You might want to try using this tennis elbow absorber ...


Thanks andrewghw, going to give my elbow a try this Wednesday. I will stay away from larger grip from now on. :)

Hey HandsFull, welcome to CCC/BC forum. Who do you normally partner on Friday? (trying to see if I know you)

And so endeth the inaugural festival of the jousting of the colours of the autumnul equinox.

I must say I enjoyed the night, it added a little spice to the games. Thank-you to those who participated and I hope that you'll be around for the next night which will be scheduled mid April.

The results for the night are summarised in the table below. Well done to the Purple team for knocking over the orange team by one point (even with our secret Chiranti-M mystery player substition suggested by BF).

The scores are listed as pairs in the form x + y. x represents the number of games won and y the number of bonus points (refer to first post in this thread).

DoublesPlease, u know the handicapp we use to start the league.

Would the handicapp be affected by the league at all?

Hey HK,

We can use the information to seed the next trial games as Yschin pointed out in an earlier post. I have no intention of doing anything else with the individual results.

DP

And so endeth the inaugural festival of the jousting of the colours of the autumnul equinox.

I must say I enjoyed the night, it added a little spice to the games. Thank-you to those who participated and I hope that you'll be around for the next night which will be scheduled mid April.

The results for the night are summarised......


Hi DoublesPlease,

Thank you for posting the Results.

The Winning Team managing to win by just 1 point... That's incredible !!! :):):)

We now await our CCC 2nd Trial League Games to be held on Friday 13-Apr-2007.

Cheers... chris@ccc

We can use the information to seed the next trial games as Yschin pointed out in an earlier post. I have no intention of doing anything else with the individual results.

Is the seeding going to be an advantage to anyone? Would love to delve into this more.

Although, i must say mini-league is a good way to get regular people though.

For those too hyped up about competition , there are competitions every other week around Melb.

Let me take this opportunity to resume my status of the master of "taking things literally". There are comp every other week, but are they the one with people playing with the right grade?

From experience, I don't even think this is debatable.

Hi yschin,

These quotes are taken from your post, POST#64, from this thread.

And it has taken me a few days to think about it before I respond (Not wanting to respond recklessly).



It is a fact that in most other clubs , stronger players tend to play among themselves and the weaker or begineers confine to a court all by themselves.


I would like to explain...

One of the reasons why CCC Badminton was founded is because I believe it's time for Melbourne to have a 'Community/Social Badminton Club'.

Melbourne has too many 'Segregation Badminton Clubs', and I find that 'Segregation Badminton Clubs' are just NOT FRIENDLY ENOUGH.

And, as you have put it, in 'Segregation Badminton Clubs' "stronger players tend to play among themselves" and "weaker or beginners confine to a court all by themselves".

As you know, I am well known in Badminton in Melbourne because I visit many Badminton Clubs. In fact I have been members(not just casual visitors) of many of them. And I am still currently members of many clubs, even though I find that I frequent them seldom nowadays since I started CCC Badminton. I still like to be treated as part of their families and therefore I decide to continue to pay for my memberships.

Fortunately I am a skilled player. And they treat me with great respect and with tremendous friendliness.

But unfortunately, they are 'Segregation Badminton Clubs'.

So what's wrong with that, you may ask...

Well, the answer/reason is I find problem/discrimination against my lower skilled friends, who are non-members of the clubs concerned, but they want to come play with me just to pass time.

And you will be quite shocked to hear that I have been told "How can you bring this friend of yours when he/she is of such low skilled level of play?".

I find this quite upsetting. :mad::mad::mad:

Yes, you may say that those clubs have the right to choose whoever they like (based on skills) but I find it detrimental to the promotion of Badminton, a sport I dearly wish to promote.




Trying to accommodate everyone is always not easy.

I am sure Chris would like to give this a try to add some varieties to the current system. The current system works well but still stronger pair will only occasionally pick a weaker pair and I think to play ‘mixed’ against ‘mixed’ can be more challenging than against a pair that is so much different in standards than your pairing. Even handicaps doesn't make any different but cut short the playing time.

(‘mixed’ – weak + strong)


I devised our CCC Handicapped Games so that everyone@CCC can play against each other, regardless of their skill levels.

And I have heard from our stronger players@CCC that it is not easy to win a game against weaker players if the weaker players have 16 points start. And this I like... because it now offers a challenge to our stronger players@ccc.

It's like you and me, partnering in Doubles, asking Koo Kien Keat and Tan Boon Heong, if they can beat us if they give us 16 points start.

However, my suggestion that a player of a particular skill should form a Doubles Partnership with another player of about the same skill is because I think that it is very unfair when opponents keeping hitting shots to the weaker player and leave the stronger player out of the game.

The stronger player of the Partnership just doesn't enjoy it.

Cheers... chris@ccc

Chris,

Thks for the explanation. I don’t think anyone have any doubts or reservations about the handicapped system . I support your vision for the club.

What is to be written might sound contradictory to my earlier posts but I would say some are written without much serious thoughts (the grammatical errors is enough proof).

My posts were made with reference to the trial games and not to the club in general.. When these are organized occasionally , I thought it might be good to have some competitive spirit in it. Otherwise it would just be like any other social night if I may put it that way.

For example, if 3 or 2 high handicappers were to be drawn into a team playing against 3 low handicappers in another team. The handicaps will still be a challenge in this case as you have mentioned. But wouldn’t the weaker pair be subjected to greater amount of attack in order to win the game when it comes to ‘competition’. On the other hand , if a mixed pair against another mixed pair , the stronger player can vary the game , for eg. keeping shots low or positioning shuttles etc to prevent your weaker player being targeted all the times. Perhaps only if you are serious would you start thinking about your partner in court otherwise you would casually just want to enjoy your hit.

I might be too theoretical and wrong and the discussion could be endless depending on how positively or negatively you look at it.

Maybe DP read what I tried to say ( or really?) , ‘seeding’ but I try to avoid using it. For those who see post by ‘yschin’ ahh! not again , with negative mindsets even before reading … will think ..how about points ranking like IBF or what is the price money ?… yschin?? If you are positive about it then , eh why not? starting to think seriously about it (like you, Chris ) and conclude that it is a no go ‘cos of this n that.

It is good to see your membership steadily increasing and hopefully still a place for me .. how about honorary member … just kidding again.

Guys,

may I suggest we try to stay On Topic of every Threads. Since this is about the Trial League , can someone create another thread maybe call "CCC Club Improvement & Suggestion" or something and continue with the discussion there. Otherwise, what's the reason of having so many threads. :confused: :confused: :confused:

may I suggest we try to stay On Topic of every Threads. Since this is about the Trial League , can someone create another thread maybe call "CCC Club Improvement & Suggestion" or something and continue with the discussion there. Otherwise, what's the reason of having so many threads. :confused: :confused: :confused:


Hi BadFever,

You are correct... :):):)

That is why I copy and paste it to our CCC threads of;

(1) CCC@Waverley: Address, Policy, etc... located at: http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=40653
and,
(2) CCC Badminton: General Forum located at: http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=38230

This thread is only for our 1st CCC Trial League Competition - Fri 23 March.

And it will be buried and forgotten... when DoublesPlease starts his new thread:
2nd CCC Trial League Games - Fri 13-April-2007. ;););)

Therefore, I should think we could continue with this topic in our Policy and/or General Forum threads.

Actually, I believe that our General Forum should be the main thread for small discussions and when they get bigger... then may they be transferred to their OWN THREADS.

Friday night thread which gets most of our players/members reading, is one that I also post new matters/topics to attract their attentions.

Cheers... chris@ccc

may I suggest we try to stay On Topic of every Threads. Since this is about the Trial League , can someone create another thread maybe call "CCC Club Improvement & Suggestion" or something and continue with the discussion there. Otherwise, what's the reason of having so many threads.

Badfever:

Spot on. Enough said.

It remind me at supper time of many times that Chris has told me to stay on topic. Sorry ....

And I have heard from our stronger players@CCC that it is not easy to win a game against weaker players if the weaker players have 16 points start. And this I like... because it now offers a challenge to our stronger players@ccc.

Funny from what i heard some people who have 12 points start would say when they look at the handicapp, "there's no way i am gonna win ... even with 12 points start"

From experience, i actually think with 12 points it's more pressure for stronger team to deliver. I think a lot of people are getting sick of me saying (9, 8, 7 points till lift off), and then the game is finished.

Yschin:

When i have time with a coffee and finish reading your post (i mean really give it a good read), i will type my next episode of the epic.

Still, thanks for the opinion though. Yschin, there are people who talk a lot but don't type a lot (unlike who always talk a lot+type a lot), so to say they don't care is not fair.

BadFever, does it mean that i am not allowed to chip in to yschin till the "improvement thread" is constructed? Just kidding mate. You know i cannot keep my mouth/fingers shut.

Badfever:

Yschin:

When i have time with a coffee and finish reading your post (i mean really give it a good read), i will type my next episode of the epic.

.... to say they don't care is not fair.




With all due respect , it is not meant to set a record for the longest rally of the game.

Simply trying to put forward the idea of 2 : 1 ratio of high to low h’cap in a team and the outer way round on some other day and trying to explain the rational for it . At times being defensive of my idea by trying to bring in some questionable or debatable statistics. That’s all man !

I have on many occasions being left standing in the middle of a court waiting for players to join in , only to realise that nobody is interested because my standard is not that attractive to them. I must say that did not happen to me or anybody else for that matter in CCC. Cheers to that.

At times being defensive of my idea by trying to bring in some questionable or debatable statistics.

Should read as "bring in 'statistics' which became so debatable" . Have to be careful with words or .... risk being hammered by Capt.

One of the reasons why CCC Badminton was founded is because I believe it's time for Melbourne to have a 'Community/Social Badminton Club'.

Melbourne has too many 'Segregation Badminton Clubs', and I find that 'Segregation Badminton Clubs' are just NOT FRIENDLY ENOUGH.

And, as you have put it, in 'Segregation Badminton Clubs' "stronger players tend to play among themselves" and "weaker or beginners confine to a court all by themselves".

Cheers... chris@ccc
Good posting chris@ccc. But I must say could substitute 'Melbourne' to also outside of Melbourne > Vic > Australia.... Many clubs contain groups, that if you don't have a contact or the skill its near impossible to join in.
Its a good thing having a regular system@ccc enables anyone from all walks of life to come along and enjoy the play & social-ness, then by adding extra activities can take part in competitive play like the trial comp :) :)

PS: I like yschin's idea of combining 'seeding' with the trial system format - could be on to something there!

This thread is only for our 1st CCC Trial League Competition - Fri 23 March.

And it will be buried and forgotten... when DoublesPlease starts his new thread:
2nd CCC Trial League Games - Fri 13-April-2007. ;););)


Greetings,

We hope this thread will end here, so that DoublesPlease can start his new thread:
2nd CCC Trial League Games - Fri 13-April-2007. :):):)

And I hope this post will be the last post for this thread !!!

Any more comments, please post them to this thread, CCC Badminton: General Forum, located at: http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?p=540676#post540676

You will notice that I will make more comments, to continue our discussions here, after post540676.

Cheers... chris@ccc

We hope this thread will end here, so that DoublesPlease can start his new thread:
2nd CCC Trial League Games - Fri 13-April-2007. :):):)


Greetings,

The new thread for our CCC League Games Trial #2 - Fri 13th April can now be found to be located at: http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=42127

Please add your name to the list to register your interest as a participant.

This thread is now CLOSED.

Cheers... chris@ccc