just got done watching fu/cai vs tony and chandra.... and during the matches the indo and american pair complained to the umpire about the chinese messing with the shuttle.... now this makes me suspiciousss as lin dan has been known to do this ... and also bao chunlaiii when he played peter in malaysia open... im not taking anything away from the chinse pairrr but the last serve wwasss awfull... hm fasttt. haha. it made me a little angry to see chandra just standing there for 6 seconds as he warned the umpire just before the serveee to do something... jsut an observation.. what do you guys think? r they cheaters or just a misconception?

There were quite a few time Tony/Canrdra wants the shuttle to be change but the umpire wont allow. Its a pity. The umpire must be a newbie.

just got done watching fu/cai vs tony and chandra.... and during the matches the indo and american pair complained to the umpire about the chinese messing with the shuttle.... now this makes me suspiciousss as lin dan has been known to do this ... and also bao chunlaiii when he played peter in malaysia open... im not taking anything away from the chinse pairrr but the last serve wwasss awfull... hm fasttt. haha. it made me a little angry to see chandra just standing there for 6 seconds as he warned the umpire just before the serveee to do something... jsut an observation.. what do you guys think? r they cheaters or just a misconception?
the difference between this game and others is that Fu gave the birdie to the umpire to see. if he was tampering with the shuttle, id think he would change it instead of giving it to the umpire.

i was watching the match live in the stadium and i had a clear view on what happened.. chandra wanted the shuttle to be changed but the umpire refused.. and the winning point which the chinese pair got was crap to be honest.. i forgot who served, but it was definately served above his waist level, which is a service fault.. the indo pair was just unlucky.. :(

i was watching the match live in the stadium and i had a clear view on what happened.. chandra wanted the shuttle to be changed but the umpire refused.. and the winning point which the chinese pair got was crap to be honest.. i forgot who served, but it was definately served above his waist level, which is a service fault.. the indo pair was just unlucky.. :(
unfortunately almost all double pros serve above the waist and rarely been fouled. Only a few serve correctly, like tony G.

Fu match serve was a gamble knowing that candra was prolly unfocused and disturbed after been rejected for the shuttle change. Candra misjudge the serve, not related to shuttle being fast or slow.
Smart players exploit this situation (which i do sometime too). Gao ling did that too in match serve in 2005 sudirman cup XD against INA.

yeah, chandra was definately affected when the umpire refused to change the shuttle.. it's just wasnt their day, how on earth could tony's string broke when they're so close to match point?? :( plain unlucky..

Go to slap the umpire, guy

GADE was also affected by the umpire !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

GADE was also affected by the umpire !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The same umpire or different one?

haha thanx u for reply guys.... i guess it just came out frustration from tony/chandra not winning... i want see them beat fu n cai soo BaAAADDD wahhh... but yeahhh i think umpire affected chandras focus... but i guess the better team won... right?!?!? :o

The game could go either way. Both teams has a fair share of errors, but Tony did slightly a few more during the crucial points, perhaps its the age factor.

haha thanx u for reply guys.... i guess it just came out frustration from tony/chandra not winning... i want see them beat fu n cai soo BaAAADDD wahhh... but yeahhh i think umpire affected chandras focus... but i guess the better team won... right?!?!? :o

Feeling helpless? :D

Go China go... (in badminton courts, of course :))

In any sports, players play around the "grey area". Therefore, a call can effect the final point or so. However, a pro has to have the ability to stay focus, and overcome the "unfavorable calls". The result is not determined by the final call, but a game length of effort.

As much as I respect Tony, I have to say they did miss some good chances to win. Better luck next time, Tony. :)

9.1.5
the whole shuttle shall be below the server’s waist at the instant of being hit by the server’s racket.
The waist shall be considered to be an imaginary line round the body, level with the lowest part of
the server’s bottom rib;

according to this, and the following screen caps, i think fu's serve is legal.
its not the best serve in the world, and it certainly does not qualify for the most sportsman like serve, but it was legal, none-the-less. reminds me of earlier in late 2006 when laybourn got hit with a similar serve for a game winner.

we're at a small angle too, making it look even higher than it is.

the bottom of his racquet frame is level with the "dark" part of his shorts that are visible beneath his shirt. we'll pretend thats a bit below his belly button. he strikes the shuttle somewhere in photos 4 and 5. it looks to be a touch above his imaginary belly button, and we all know our rib cage easily sits above our belly button by the same distance between the shorts the the belly button.

and finally, before anyone pours gasoline on me and torches me, i'll say i think the game could of definitely ended in a much better manner, considering how high a level the game was played at. definitely anti-climatic.

Hey players, tell the umpire openly next time "the shuttlecock su@@@ ! I have to change the speed" Shame on whoever sponsoring the shuttlecocks, your products are not built to tournament standard !

Don't know if TG and CW use their own pocket money to participate in these tournaments. If they don't win the title more often, they are likely to lose money. Anyone knows ?

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They lose money on the tourney.. but they make it from the sponsorship...
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There were quite a few time Tony/Canrdra wants the shuttle to be change but the umpire wont allow. Its a pity. The umpire must be a newbie.

Tony/Candra need more experience when they want a shuttle changed. If I really don't like a shuttle, or know the opponent has altered it (which has never happened yet), the moment the shuttle is on my side, I break it, show everyone and offer my own shuttle.

How I do it, that's a trade secret. :p :D :D

the difference between this game and others is that Fu gave the birdie to the umpire to see. if he was tampering with the shuttle, id think he would change it instead of giving it to the umpire.
Yup. This was quite clear to see. The umpire inspected the shuttle and did not change it.

At the end, Tony and Candra looked like they questioned the service judge about the serve and the service judge confirmed it was a legal serve.

I want to find out what happened to them too. Downloading the video...

MD-SF Cai Yun/Fu Haifeng vs Tony Gunawan/Chandra Wijaya

G1, 46MB: http://www.bigupload.com/d=10217071

G2, 40MB: http://www.mediafire.com/?4ivfwnii0mu

G3, 43MB: http://www.badongo.com/vid/311686

Format: WMV

The game could go either way. Both teams has a fair share of errors, but Tony did slightly a few more during the crucial points, perhaps its the age factor.
yes, this time tony G seem to had committed more errors, candra was playing quite good. At the 2007 MO, it was candra that committed more errors of the pair.

Saturday, March 10, 2007
No Ticket to Final All England

After defeating Lee Yong Dae and Jung Jae Sung 21-18 and 23-21 in quarter final, we were stopped by Cai Yun and Fu Haifeng in three intense games: 21-18, 19-21, and 18-21 in semi final round.
Certainly, the key is to win the second game to prevent playing the third game. We could've won it; unfortunately, we didn't. Well, it was certainly not great when the match was won by Fu Haifeng flicking his serve to Candra; however, that's part of badminton game.
Candra and I won All England back in 1999; although the last time I won it was in 2001, partnering with Halim. We certainly have the ambition to win it again; especially after years of being apart. Too bad, not this time. Hopefully, we will still have the opportunity to compete next year.



source: tonygunawan.net

Tony is always a good sportsman...accepts defeat with dignity

Tony/Candra need more experience when they want a shuttle changed. If I really don't like a shuttle, or know the opponent has altered it (which has never happened yet), the moment the shuttle is on my side, I break it, show everyone and offer my own shuttle.

How I do it, that's a trade secret. :p :D :D
but i thot ur a ngp:D

I want to find out what happened to them too. Downloading the video...

MD-SF Cai Yun/Fu Haifeng vs Tony Gunawan/Chandra Wijaya


Thanks for sharing Sir!

but i thot ur a ngp:D

Yes Sir, nice, gentle panda. But when you gotta "break" the shuttle, you gotta break it.:p

Going back to Candra, after watching the 3rd game, he should not have let the shuttle affect him. Oh well...good luck to Fu/Cai in the Finals. :)

From the pictures posted, the serve looks legal to me. Definitely below waist and top of racket head just below the racket handle.

Tony had a bad moment when his racquet strings snapped and teh shuttle went into the net losing a point. It was just sheer bad luck to happen at such a close juncture.

methinks doubles players rarely follow the serving rules... many of them serve about the waist

In badminton, the definition of waist is actually "third rib from the bottom", so it is quite high. For those who don't know ...

In badminton, the definition of waist is actually "third rib from the bottom", so it is quite high. For those who don't know ...

how bout in singles?

how bout in singles?

It's the same. Third rib from the bottom

off topic for a while, regarding the prize money, is it in USD or pound??

Maybe you can get a slow mo serve by Tony G. i'm sure it looks the same like the Chinese serve.

just got done watching fu/cai vs tony and chandra.... and during the matches the indo and american pair complained to the umpire about the chinese messing with the shuttle.... now this makes me suspiciousss as lin dan has been known to do this ... and also bao chunlaiii when he played peter in malaysia open... im not taking anything away from the chinse pairrr but the last serve wwasss awfull... hm fasttt. haha. it made me a little angry to see chandra just standing there for 6 seconds as he warned the umpire just before the serveee to do something... jsut an observation.. what do you guys think? r they cheaters or just a misconception?

...in the other semi-final (Lungaard/Erikson vs. KKK/TBH) the very last point of the match was also a flick serve, this time deceiving Lungaard. Do you think KKK/TBH had been watching the earlier match...?

off topic for a while, regarding the prize money, is it in USD or pound??
i think in usd.

just got done watching fu/cai vs tony and chandra.... and during the matches the indo and american pair complained to the umpire about the chinese messing with the shuttle.... now this makes me suspiciousss as lin dan has been known to do this ... and also bao chunlaiii when he played peter in malaysia open... im not taking anything away from the chinse pairrr but the last serve wwasss awfull... hm fasttt. haha. it made me a little angry to see chandra just standing there for 6 seconds as he warned the umpire just before the serveee to do something... jsut an observation.. what do you guys think? r they cheaters or just a misconception?
..another incident involving Candra and Sigit(abt 2 yrs ago or so)..But it was against JEriksen&MLHansen(aih forgot which tournament it was)...And yes, it involved the shuttle also...In that particular match, however, if i remember correctly, both pairs kept "exchanging jabs" by replacing & not replacing the shuttle when their respective opponents requested to change or not change..At the end, after all the exchanges, the Danish pair won..;)

OFF TOPIC:Abt the inquiry of who's sponsoring/paying their traveling expenses, I believe since they(Tony & Candra) are playing as "free-lance" pair, both incurred all the costs..So, most likely they'll lose money, esp. after falling short in their last 3 SS tourneys..:p;)

I was in thestadium watching this last match. I'm fairly sure the flick serve was legal but we've all had those super quick flicks that takes you by surprise. Chandra and Tony just seemed to stand there, i'm sure they were hoping that the serve would be called illegal.

Unfortunately everyone in the hall were just stunned, there was silence for a second or two before everyone applauded the winners.

As for the Danes match - a similar super quick flick, but I think they just gave up with the MAL team getting so many net cords :)

interestinggg guys... thank u very much for clarifying all this haha....

yah,yah,, pls slap d umpire !

In badminton, the definition of waist is actually "third rib from the bottom", so it is quite high. For those who don't know ...

Don't know what rules you are playing to, but that's not what the 2006 rules state:

"9.1.5 the whole shuttle shall be below the server’s waist at the instant of being hit by the server’s racket. The waist shall be considered to be an imaginary line round the body, level with the lowest part of the server’s bottom rib"

The bit about the bottom rib was added to this edition of the rules as there wasn't a true definition of where the waist was supposed to be.