Good coaching or not?

[2cents]

Congrats to KKK/TBH and ZB/GL for their first all England title. They are new formed pairs, and soon became the best in the world, ZB/GL are even invincible.

But if you say that's all because good coaching, and credit Rexy and LYB for that. I then disagree.

They are good just because they are good themselves. The truth is that coaching was bad because the coaches and managers had not realized that before. Both of the pairs teamed together because of accidents, not because of coaching.

When KKK's partner CCM's dad passed away, then TBH came up as a substitute, even though they lost in the final of Tokyo open (runner up was a pretty good results even for KKK/CCM), the coaches still wanted KKK playing with CCM instead of TBH. Maybe there are political reasons, but the final decision was not even better than a nobrainer. Although Rexy wanted KKK play with TBH, this was still not good coaching, it was just a reasonable thing any one would do.

Same thing applies to ZB/GL too. ZB had been in the national team for 5 years. Even before the Asian game, LYB claimed that the only pair will go to Olympics 2008 were Gao Ling with Zhang Jun, and GL/ZJ pair is unchangeable. Then another accident happened, Zhang Jun wanted to have his wedding during the Asian Game (I think that's one reason China does not that care about Asian Games), then Zheng Bo went to Asian game as a substitute, exactly like TBH, a substitute in the case of emergence. Then the new pair ZB/GL is unbeatable so far. If the coaching were good, they should finding out that before the accidents.

So, in this sense, both coachings were bad coachings, I mean bad because they were not any better than any ordinary people's thinking and doing. I say bad because the good resutls resulted from accidents, not from coaching. And when accident proved their coaching's wrong (in Rexy case not in China's case), they still not wanted the pair which delivering better results.

[badders2006]

wow is that really the reason why ZB got paired up with GL? Not because ZJ has lost form and it's time to replace the old goat with a fitter younger one??
And I think I'm starting to develop a crush on GL and ZYW!

[ck1981]

I disagree with your point here and want to emphasize again that Rexy is the best coach I've ever seen. I'm not sure about LYB due to his "improper" conduct during the match between Lin Dan and LCW.
Although the partnership of KKK and TBH were formed accidentally, I would say that we will only know the partnership could work well after some experiments in real games. It's not easy for every coach to know upfront which partnership can win the titles. However, a good coach should be the one who can always motivate the players and tuitor them on the pitch to win the game.

[jasonmarc]

No, ZJ's form have drop since the new scoring system started, they didint perform well......that why he was dropped and substituted by ZB....this is was i observed......

[ye333]

I think your claim is not true.

First, as far as I can remember, Rexy had claimed that KKK & TBH is the "real shot" for 2012 Olympics and he planned to form KKK/TBH after KKK/CCM have played 2008 (CCM will retire after that). Such claims are made long before the 2006 WC accident. So Rexy did see the great potential of this pair long before any "ordinary man" could. The accident just made him change his time table a bit.

Second, if Zhang/Gao is still in good form and has no sign of being broken up, Zhang Jun, being not Taufik, will never choose to wed during Asian Games. So you have simply reversed the cause and the effect.

Finally, Rexy is the coach coaching Mas MD, but LYB is NOT the coach coaching Chinese XD, it is Chen Xingdong who has been coaching XD all along and is coaching MD and XD now.


Congrats to KKK/TBH and ZB/GL for their first all England title. They are new formed pairs, and soon became the best in the world, ZB/GL are even invincible.

But if you say that's all because good coaching, and credit Rexy and LYB for that. I then disagree.

They are good just because they are good themselves. The truth is that coaching was bad because the coaches and managers had not realized that before. Both of the pairs teamed together because of accidents, not because of coaching.

When KKK's partner CCM's dad passed away, then TBH came up as a substitute, even though they lost in the final of Tokyo open (runner up was a pretty good results even for KKK/CCM), the coaches still wanted KKK playing with CCM instead of TBH. Maybe there are political reasons, but the final decision was not even better than a nobrainer. Although Rexy wanted KKK play with TBH, this was still not good coaching, it was just a reasonable thing any one would do.

Same thing applies to ZB/GL too. ZB had been in the national team for 5 years. Even before the Asian game, LYB claimed that the only pair will go to Olympics 2008 were Gao Ling with Zhang Jun, and GL/ZJ pair is unchangeable. Then another accident happened, Zhang Jun wanted to have his wedding during the Asian Game (I think that's one reason China does not that care about Asian Games), then Zheng Bo went to Asian game as a substitute, exactly like TBH, a substitute in the case of emergence. Then the new pair ZB/GL is unbeatable so far. If the coaching were good, they should finding out that before the accidents.

So, in this sense, both coachings were bad coachings, I mean bad because they were not any better than any ordinary people's thinking and doing. I say bad because the good resutls resulted from accidents, not from coaching. And when accident proved their coaching's wrong (in Rexy case not in China's case), they still not wanted the pair which delivering better results.

[badMania]

I agree with the point on Rexy. Without Rexy, Malaysian MD will not have achieved the incredible feat of Asian Games gold and an All-England title!

As much as I envy the achievement of KKK/TBH, kudos really to Rexy and both players. They have worked hard as a team and u can see how delighted Rexy were of his boys in charge. The concern on his face during the closing set of the second set was apparent to us who were watching the match. Both young players also looked up to Rexy and I fear that this young pair is now set to dominate the MD field...with Rexy behind them.

[alfa2]

2cents, i agreed with u on the finding of KKK/TBH part. It's an accident. But pairing them up is one story, KKK/TBH for sure will not be this GOOD or have excelled in MD without the guidance of Rexy.

During past few tournaments, Rexy acted as a co-driver in a rally race as if KKK/TBH were the rally racer, predicting sharp corners ahead for them or when they should go to their top speed during every match......Without Rexy, they would have not predicted the things that were coming ahead. Thus the lost at KO when Rext werent there as a co-driver for KKK/TBH.

I love you Rexy but I'm not gay.....

KKK/TBH + Rexy = A Perfect Combination.....

[_MyST_Spring]

Zhang Jun was dropped because the pair didn't perform well in the new scoring system. So he wasn't in the team to the Asian games. That's why he hold his wedding during AG.

[three-3am]

look what happened during the all england final.. on both sets, the msian pair was trailing behind during the break at 11.. on both occasions, the chinese pair was leading.. during the break, only God knows what rexy spoke to motivate them, and on both sets, the msian pair managed to gain consecutive points after the break.. is there such a coincidence??

also, during matches, kkk/tbh would definately turn back looking at rexy seeking for motivation and advice.. in fact, during the final.. the msian supporters knew how crucial rexy played a part in the match tat they shouted "rexy boleh" numerous times.. lol..

[alfa2]

I hope BAM didnt screw up the partnering with Rexy again this time, get a 20yrs contract!!! coz we supporters of MAS wont forgive BAM for that.......

[hcyong]

It's a mixture of both. A good coach is important, not just tactical, but also mental (I think Rexy inspired mental strength in KKK/TBH), but the players must have also a certain quality to start with.

[ants]

I'm proud that KKK/TBH made an impact in the local and international badminton scene. But you have to remember that Msia Badminton is not all about KKK/TBH. Same like Taufik with Indonesia. We also have other good doubles players. And they need our support too.. But i do agree that Rexy is a great coach. Not because of his ability to target potential in KKK/TBH.. but at the same time his way of coaching and conducting himself with the players as a Coach/Friend and Mentor. Personally, i think other Msian coaches should learn from Rexy's way of coaching. But at the same time , no one is Perfect, even Rexy. I'm sure he agree with this. One must keep humble and at the same time give 110% in whatever he does.

[2cents]

For those think Rexy is so important, please think again.

Why before the formation of KKK/TBH, Mas always ended with nothing in men's doubles? If he's so important, why he cannot inspire LWH/CTF who were even better before?

It's just because of the players themselves. If there are some roles for the coaching, it will definitely less than 50%. The biggest difference a coach can make is to find the right persons and pairs. That's what I was talking about they did not do well. The training and inspiring are also important, but come after picking up the right pair.

[ants]

Rexy is important is some way.. you have to give him the credits he deserved. But i also agree with you that no all coach can influence their players. Its the players themselves who is willing to change/adapt and be open minded to constructive criticiscm that can make things change. Coaches is there to GUIDE them.. the rest is really up to the players.

[ixory]

I remember in AG 2006,rexy said he already gave 200% to the player but they failed to listen what he tought.He even treathen to quit.To me it's like a ship and captain.Imagine if there is no captain on the ship while travelling to the sea.What would happen to the ship.That importancy of Rexy.If u don't find a captain how could the ship face the sea.No doubt the player had show their power and amazing skill but there also Rexy who help them to stay on the ground and tighten their skill and mentality.Just my 2cent.;)

[OneToughBirdie]

For those think Rexy is so important, please think again.

Why before the formation of KKK/TBH, Mas always ended with nothing in men's doubles? If he's so important, why he cannot inspire LWH/CTF who were even better before?

It's just because of the players themselves. If there are some roles for the coaching, it will definitely less than 50%. The biggest difference a coach can make is to find the right persons and pairs. That's what I was talking about they did not do well. The training and inspiring are also important, but come after picking up the right pair.
TBH/KKK is a new combination by Rexy, like a young bamboo, you can bend which way you want and they will adjust. CTF/LWW is old dogs, you can teach old dog new tricks and old habits are hard to turn back, therefore Rexy could not help, better pick the telephone and call Jesus for help, that may works...hahaha! LOL!!!:D :D :D

[pjswift]

I agree with the point on Rexy. Without Rexy, Malaysian MD will not have achieved the incredible feat of Asian Games gold and an All-England title!

As much as I envy the achievement of KKK/TBH, kudos really to Rexy and both players. They have worked hard as a team and u can see how delighted Rexy were of his boys in charge. The concern on his face during the closing set of the second set was apparent to us who were watching the match. Both young players also looked up to Rexy and I fear that this young pair is now set to dominate the MD field...with Rexy behind them.
Disagree with your belief that KKK/TBH are set to dominate the MDs. No way. They got lucky that KOR MD battery dried up by QF. TKH (KOR coach) forgot his energy mathematics. If he wants his boys to win and yet play two events (XD as well), then they should forget about a warm up tournament. The GO gave them a title but cost them the AE shot.
I still believe KOR MD has an edge over MAS MD . KKK will not win the MD if he also works for the XD. I hope he can prove me wrong in the SWO this week.

[GunBlade008]

Definately disagree. Rexy is an integral part of MAS Mens doubles achievements as much as KKK/TBH. KKK/CCM were a good pairing under Rexy's helm, it just took time to develop KKK into a more knowledgable player. I agree that KKK/TBH are amazing in their own right, but I say that Rexy is the reason they are what they are today.

[Iwan]

For those think Rexy is so important, please think again.

Why before the formation of KKK/TBH, Mas always ended with nothing in men's doubles? If he's so important, why he cannot inspire LWH/CTF who were even better before?

It's just because of the players themselves. If there are some roles for the coaching, it will definitely less than 50%. The biggest difference a coach can make is to find the right persons and pairs. That's what I was talking about they did not do well. The training and inspiring are also important, but come after picking up the right pair.
Your thinking is way too egoistic. Maybe you have never met a coach like Rexy and therefore cast all coaches aside down the drain. If coaches play such an insignificant role as you said as to only find the right partnership, then why need coaches at all for singles? Might as well just let the players train themselves and play with themselves allowing their natural talent to help them improve.

I have been coached by professional coaches and I have been coaching teenagers at a competitive level too and I can say for sure that coaches play a significant role in helping out their players. The thing about players is that when they play, they don't always pick up on the little stuff that they can exploit. Worse still, the stuff that they do pick up don't always register into their brain as experience. This is where coaches come into play, enlightening their players on what has been happening. What they've been doing wrong, what they could've done instead of what they did, what they can further exploit that they didn't exploit enough, etc2. You see, sometimes, players are so tired after training that they don't have the energy left to think much about what happened, usually they just want to rest. And it is only understandable that they do so, which is why we have coaches to help them think about what went on and enlighten them on what has been happening.

You think Rexy isn't a good coach? Look at the English Mixed Doubles right now. They were once one of the best an winning the Olympics Gold. Then the following all england in 2006, Rexy commented that they have the skills to win the game, but was afraid that they don't have the proper physical levels to execute them. When I heard this, and saw Nathan's play, as a coach I immediately knew that Nathan is not one of those guys who can self motivate himself to do the required physical training that he needs to do to be good. But when Rexy was there, Rexy made a difference enough to make him do enough physical training so that he becomes enabled to perform the high level techniques required of him to win a game. How did Rexy do it? Maybe you should go and watch Nathan and Rexy's training video clip at youtube. As a coach, Rexy is my ultimate inspiration, I desire and am working on being a coach like him.

[Inky2000]

Recall that KKK & TBH paired up for the first time during TC finals in last May. Although it was because MAS team wanted to seize the opportunity of facing a weak opponent to experiment a new combination, this probably indicated that the BAM did have the idea of eventually pairing them up in mind way before the so-called accidental pairing up at JO. Had Rexy already joined MAS team during last May?

Still, I strongly agree that Rexy was an important factor behind the duo's achievement. Recall that TBH stumbled when Rexy was absent from KO'07 SF, which means that Rexy's role wasn't just telling them the DO's and DON'Ts in the middle of every game, but had also given them (especially the inexperienced guy) the psychological strength to fight fearlessly. In this sense, the combination has yet to prove their come of age - not until they could win a title of a prestiguous or SS event without Rexy's presence in the final.

[yuqiu]

2cents, i agreed with u on the finding of KKK/TBH part. It's an accident. But pairing them up is one story, KKK/TBH for sure will not be this GOOD or have excelled in MD without the guidance of Rexy.

During past few tournaments, Rexy acted as a co-driver in a rally race as if KKK/TBH were the rally racer, predicting sharp corners ahead for them or when they should go to their top speed during every match......Without Rexy, they would have not predicted the things that were coming ahead. Thus the lost at KO when Rext werent there as a co-driver for KKK/TBH.

I love you Rexy but I'm not gay.....

KKK/TBH + Rexy = A Perfect Combination.....

This Perfect Combination could end this June. Read article below.

Win, A Perfect Birthday Present For Rexy

From Jaiarajo Letchumanan

BIRMINGHAM, March 11 (Bernama) -- National men's doubles coach Rexy Mainaky described Koo Kien Keat/Tan Boon Heong's men's doubles victory in the All England as a perfect birthday present for him.

The Indonesian coach who took over the helm in June 2005 said that though it came two days after his birthday on March 9, it was worth the wait.

"This is the best present for me since becoming a coach. I'm certainly delighted with the performance of the duo as they had emulated my success of winning the men's doubles title as a player," Rexy told Bernama after the victory.

Rexy, whose contract with the Badminton Association of Malaysia (BAM) expires in June, had won the title twice in a row with partner Ricky Subagja back in 1995 and 1996.

"My contract with BAM expires in June and probably when I return to Malaysia there will be some discussions on the matter," he said.

The coach added that they will have little time to celebrate the victory as he and the players leave for the Swiss Open, which starts on Tuesday.

"I hope Kien Keat-Boon Heong will add the Swiss Open title as well," he added.

[pjswift]

For those think Rexy is so important, please think again.

Why before the formation of KKK/TBH, Mas always ended with nothing in men's doubles? If he's so important, why he cannot inspire LWH/CTF who were even better before?

It's just because of the players themselves. If there are some roles for the coaching, it will definitely less than 50%. The biggest difference a coach can make is to find the right persons and pairs. That's what I was talking about they did not do well. The training and inspiring are also important, but come after picking up the right pair.
Agree with you. Look at it closely. Since Rexy became coach until now the other MDs have been going downhill except KKK/TBH. Rexy's fortune has been to spot TBH's promise . TBH is the key guy and The Badminton Hunk. He is fearless, businesslike and instinctively gifted. A CCM/TBH combo would have also delivered. KKK/CCM had not won big titles because KKK had to play XD as well. If KKK had played XD in AE, would MAS have won? Probably not.(If WPT had played XD, would CEH/WPT have beaten TPE WD and reach SF? Probably not.) KKK is gifted but overrated.
But a coach is remembered for the best result he can deliver , not the overall score of the whole team. On that count Rexy is superb.However, the biggest impact Rexy can make on MAS is their minds. MAS players are chosen on talent first that's why they are a joy to watch.(Compared to CHN 's Fitness criterion,that's why their style is grinding) All that's needed is to fix the minds.What I would like to do is interview TBH and ask him, 'when under pressure, what do you tell yourself?) And other MAS players then listen and listen carefully and understand.And watch the movie "Fearless" at least 3 times! Sack the MAS sports psychologist!

[JaCk™]

Rexy is really a very good coach.. KKK/TBH keeps turning back to listen to his advice during matches.. Rexy also gives motivation to KKK/TBH.. KKK/TBH definitely has great confidence and mental strength.. Too bad, Wong Tat Meng failed to boost LCW confidence.. LCW fails to win although holding matchpoint at 20-16.. Wong Tat Meng needs to do something to get LCW back to winning.. Rexy has done a good job.. Cheers!

[indra]

I am no surprise at all when knowing that KKK/TBH came out as winner....they are at this time the most difficult MD to defeat.....

[alfa2]

For those think Rexy is so important, please think again.

Why before the formation of KKK/TBH, Mas always ended with nothing in men's doubles? If he's so important, why he cannot inspire LWH/CTF who were even better before?

It's just because of the players themselves. If there are some roles for the coaching, it will definitely less than 50%. The biggest difference a coach can make is to find the right persons and pairs. That's what I was talking about they did not do well. The training and inspiring are also important, but come after picking up the right pair.

2cents, i agree that finding the right pair is very important.....but the ability of the coach to extract the essence from a player is not less essential than finding the right pair.

To answer your question (in bold), LWW/CTF are too fix with their own style of playing already.

LWW/CTF - It will be like asking an alcoholic (years of drinking habit) not to drink. It's very hard to kick one's bad habit.
KKK/TBH - whereas it will be like teaching a kindergarten kid about the bad side of drinking, easily absorbed into their mind. :p

Not against drinking, just making an example. I love beers......CHEERS EVERYONE !!! :D:D:D:D:D

[alfa2]

TBH/KKK is a new combination by Rexy, like a young bamboo, you can bend which way you want and they will adjust. CTF/LWW is old dogs, you can teach old dog new tricks and old habits are hard to turn back, therefore Rexy could not help, better pick the telephone and call Jesus for help, that may works...hahaha! LOL!!!:D :D :D

I dont think it would help also......LOL you are really funny. by the way, what's jesus's no?

[alfa2]

Disagree with your belief that KKK/TBH are set to dominate the MDs. No way. They got lucky that KOR MD battery dried up by QF. TKH (KOR coach) forgot his energy mathematics. If he wants his boys to win and yet play two events (XD as well), then they should forget about a warm up tournament. The GO gave them a title but cost them the AE shot.
I still believe KOR MD has an edge over MAS MD . KKK will not win the MD if he also works for the XD. I hope he can prove me wrong in the SWO this week.

hope that the Koreans wil not b playing in the XD or at least let the top and 2nd pairs a skip in XD. Would like to see the best of them to play with KKK/TBH.

[alfa2]

This Perfect Combination could end this June. Read article below.

Win, A Perfect Birthday Present For Rexy

From Jaiarajo Letchumanan

BIRMINGHAM, March 11 (Bernama) -- National men's doubles coach Rexy Mainaky described Koo Kien Keat/Tan Boon Heong's men's doubles victory in the All England as a perfect birthday present for him.

The Indonesian coach who took over the helm in June 2005 said that though it came two days after his birthday on March 9, it was worth the wait.

"This is the best present for me since becoming a coach. I'm certainly delighted with the performance of the duo as they had emulated my success of winning the men's doubles title as a player," Rexy told Bernama after the victory.

Rexy, whose contract with the Badminton Association of Malaysia (BAM) expires in June, had won the title twice in a row with partner Ricky Subagja back in 1995 and 1996.

"My contract with BAM expires in June and probably when I return to Malaysia there will be some discussions on the matter," he said.

The coach added that they will have little time to celebrate the victory as he and the players leave for the Swiss Open, which starts on Tuesday.

"I hope Kien Keat-Boon Heong will add the Swiss Open title as well," he added.


:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek: :eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek: NVM, ill take up the job after Rexy left.....:D:D:D:D:D:D

[ixory]

:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek: :eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek: NVM, ill take up the job after Rexy left.....:D:D:D:D:D:D

Please don, i dun wanna wait for 25 years again to win the title:D :D :D :D :D :D

[alfa2]

Agree with you. Look at it closely. Since Rexy became coach until now the other MDs have been going downhill except KKK/TBH. Rexy's fortune has been to spot TBH's promise . TBH is the key guy and The Badminton Hunk. He is fearless, businesslike and instinctively gifted. A CCM/TBH combo would have also delivered. KKK/CCM had not won big titles because KKK had to play XD as well. If KKK had played XD in AE, would MAS have won? Probably not.(If WPT had played XD, would CEH/WPT have beaten TPE WD and reach SF? Probably not.) KKK is gifted but overrated.
But a coach is remembered for the best result he can deliver , not the overall score of the whole team. On that count Rexy is superb.However, the biggest impact Rexy can make on MAS is their minds. MAS players are chosen on talent first that's why they are a joy to watch.(Compared to CHN 's Fitness criterion,that's why their style is grinding) All that's needed is to fix the minds.What I would like to do is interview TBH and ask him, 'when under pressure, what do you tell yourself?) And other MAS players then listen and listen carefully and understand.And watch the movie "Fearless" at least 3 times! Sack the MAS sports psychologist!

For my part, i would like an AE MD gold to end MAS 25 yrs drought rather than getting a good overall score. eg.4 pairs in the quarters, then 2 pairs in semis and then getting a silver in the final is an good overall score, but if compared to a gold, it is nothing close.

[sherlyn]

I love you Rexy but I'm not gay.....


LMAO....this is so funny! but I love Rexy too! hah! Such a professional coach!

Agreed -> KKK/TBH + Rexy = A Perfect Combination
Nvr seen a coach who's so sporting! Most coaches would just sit quietly to watch the match but Rexy is different!
He's so excited when KKK/TBH played..could find a lotsa expression from him..cheering, motivating, murmuring, patting, jumping up, jumping onto TBH and hugging KKK...:D
I was wondering what were the things he carried inside his bag... it seemed a lotsa things inside..lol

[alfa2]

LMAO....this is so funny! but I love Rexy too! hah! Such a professional coach!

Agreed -> KKK/TBH + Rexy = A Perfect Combination
Nvr seen a coach who's so sporting! Most coaches would just sit quietly to watch the match but Rexy is different!
He's so excited when KKK/TBH played..could find a lotsa expression from him..cheering, motivating, murmuring, patting, jumping up, jumping onto TBH and hugging KKK...:D
I was wondering what were the things he carried inside his bag... it seemed a lotsa things inside..lol

I think you really love Rexy.You seemed to notice everything....but i heard that he's married already......:D:D:D:D:D:D

[Inky2000]

Wonder what is going to happen to Rexy if he coaches KKK/TBH to win the next Indonesia Open title ... some more beating an Indonesian pair in the final ...

[sherlyn]

I think you really love Rexy.You seemed to notice everything....but i heard that he's married already......:D:D:D:D:D:D
LMAO!!
I know he's married and even saw his cute son and cute daughter before..LOL
I love him as a professional coach k..
I noticed the China coach too but he juz sat there quietly, being cool, a bit annoyed and stressed.
China coach vs Rexy...so much difference...LOL


Wonder what is going to happen to Rexy if he coaches KKK/TBH to win the next Indonesia Open title ... some more beating an Indonesian pair in the final ...

Erm.. imagine the situation is juz like Tan Kim Her coaches LJJ/HJM or LYD/JJS to win any tournament in Malaysia.
Not much feeling for me though.. they r juz doing their job right, being responsible and professional :p

[sherlyn]

plus.. I feel happy if a malaysian coach becomes a favourite in other country ;)

[doremi]

Agree with you. Look at it closely. Since Rexy became coach until now the other MDs have been going downhill except KKK/TBH.

I cannot agree with you on this. If you talk about CTF/LWW, they've always been like that, but the other players have improved by a lot. Last year we had 3 players in the All England semi-finals! 3! How many times have we had that in the past? Of course you still talent to do the ultimate deed but Rexy's effect cannot be questioned imo.

Another incident that suggested Rexy's genius to me is the Asian games. After threatening to resign, the pair went and won. How many people in past could have such an effect on the players? There's a deep connection going on there.

[X Ball]

[quote=2cents]Congrats to KKK/TBH and ZB/GL for their first all England title. They are new formed pairs, and soon became the best in the world, ZB/GL are even invincible.

But if you say that's all because good coaching, and credit Rexy and LYB for that. I then disagree.

quote]

You can disagree for all you like --- nobody cares one hoot about your comments because you are a stirrer. Malaysians like Rexy --- he has earned their respect. Rexy, they should make you a Datuk for your effort.

[sabathiel]

Credit to the players and the coach. They both complement each other. Whether KKK/TBH are really good by themselves or they became really good under the guidance of Rexy one thing is indisputable in my opinion. Rexy is without a doubt a great doubles coach. I think PBSI is dying to have him as their national doubles coach. The rise of Malaysian doubles (not just KKK/TBH) on the world stage is because Rexy is a genius coach and a great doubles player himself. Where were Malaysian doubles before Rexy got the job as doubles coach?

[sherlyn]

Still remember Rexy mentioned before..MF/LWF always followed the way their opponent played. If they can get rid of this, they can perform better.
..and also for GTC/ZL..ZL is always busy with his outside business. If ZL can concentrate more, they can do better too.

great teacher + stubborn student -> x gonna work :(
great teacher + indiscipline student -> x gonna work :(
great teacher + serious student -> this gonna work ;)
therefore,
Rexy + KKK/TBH -> Perfect combination :D

not only KKK/TBH, if you hv noticed, TBS/OSH under Rexy hv improved a lot recently..

[X Ball]

Rexy has molded TBH/KKK to be an explosive and exciting to watch doubles pair -- he had taught them well, both to defend or attack.

The foresight of the man to team the two together is not by luck but more so because Rexy could see them combining well to be a force to be reckoned with. If he had not done that, Malaysia would still be relying on CM/KKK as a pair, which have not done a lot before they were separated.

With this 'trial' pair being so successful, I would think all the other pairs may have to relook at changing partners --- put it this way, just because the other pairs won a few Malaysian tournaments before they got noticed and then selected into the national team does not mean they have to stay together forever. I am for Rexy to use his judgement to break and put together pairs again, if it means that they can turn out to be champions like TBH/KKK. If not, I am still happy to see more teams getting better under this great coach -- he is aggresive, personable, can motivate his players, and most of all, he can coach techniques !

[sickgal]

look what happened during the all england final.. on both sets, the msian pair was trailing behind during the break at 11.. on both occasions, the chinese pair was leading.. during the break, only God knows what rexy spoke to motivate them, and on both sets, the msian pair managed to gain consecutive points after the break.. is there such a coincidence??

also, during matches, kkk/tbh would definately turn back looking at rexy seeking for motivation and advice.. in fact, during the final.. the msian supporters knew how crucial rexy played a part in the match tat they shouted "rexy boleh" numerous times.. lol..

u serious?? the supporters really shouted 'rexy boleh'????:D :D well..if its true..I am more than please to hear that!!!:p

[X Ball]

u serious?? the supporters really shouted 'rexy boleh'????:D :D well..if its true..I am more than please to hear that!!!:p


REXY is definitely an icon in Malaysia now. No, keep your hands of him PBSI ! He is not for hiring --- Malaysia will not allow it !:p

[sickgal]

REXY is definitely an icon in Malaysia now. No, keep your hands of him PBSI ! He is not for hiring --- Malaysia will not allow it !:p


:D :D :D :D truly agree!!! we'll do anything to keep RExy here...hahaha... that's also have to respect his own decision...:p :p :p :p :p

[sickgal]

REXY is definitely an icon in Malaysia now. No, keep your hands of him PBSI ! He is not for hiring --- Malaysia will not allow it !:p


:D :D :D :D truly agree!!! we'll do anything to keep RExy here...hahaha... that's also have to respect his own decision...:p :p :p :p :p

[sickgal]

sorry that i'm too excited till i double post the previous msg...haha

[JaCk™]

If Rexy demands a very high increase in salary, do you think Malaysia will keep him?? Or Mas will higher Kim Her back if he demands a lower salary than Rexy??

[sickgal]

to me.. if he's worth the salary that he'd asked for...maybe yes...after all..he's a humble coach..i think he will be reasonable with the salary that he'd asked..hehe

[alfa-2]

Rexy has molded TBH/KKK to be an explosive and exciting to watch doubles pair -- he had taught them well, both to defend or attack.

The foresight of the man to team the two together is not by luck but more so because Rexy could see them combining well to be a force to be reckoned with. If he had not done that, Malaysia would still be relying on CM/KKK as a pair, which have not done a lot before they were separated.

With this 'trial' pair being so successful, I would think all the other pairs may have to relook at changing partners --- put it this way, just because the other pairs won a few Malaysian tournaments before they got noticed and then selected into the national team does not mean they have to stay together forever. I am for Rexy to use his judgement to break and put together pairs again, if it means that they can turn out to be champions like TBH/KKK. If not, I am still happy to see more teams getting better under this great coach -- he is aggresive, personable, can motivate his players, and most of all, he can coach techniques !

good one, X Ball!;)

[Inky2000]

LMAO!!
I know he's married and even saw his cute son and cute daughter before..LOL
I love him as a professional coach k..
I noticed the China coach too but he juz sat there quietly, being cool, a bit annoyed and stressed.
China coach vs Rexy...so much difference...LOL



Erm.. imagine the situation is juz like Tan Kim Her coaches LJJ/HJM or LYD/JJS to win any tournament in Malaysia.
Not much feeling for me though.. they r juz doing their job right, being responsible and professional :p

Actually I posted this with the notorious, highly emotional Indonesian fans in mind. On the other hand, I don't think Malaysian fans would turn hostile against Kim Her if he coaches any Korean pair to win MO.

[JaCk™]

But will China turn hostile if their coach in other country produce world class player to compete with China? Eg: the case of Li Mao in producing LCW.. Li Mao disagreement with LYB in the past has even worsen the situation.. So, do u all think Chen Hong and Xia Xuanze coach in other countries? China is indeed a special case..

[hyun007]

For those think Rexy is so important, please think again.

Why before the formation of KKK/TBH, Mas always ended with nothing in men's doubles? If he's so important, why he cannot inspire LWH/CTF who were even better before?

It's just because of the players themselves. If there are some roles for the coaching, it will definitely less than 50%. The biggest difference a coach can make is to find the right persons and pairs. That's what I was talking about they did not do well. The training and inspiring are also important, but come after picking up the right pair.


BECAUSE LWH/CTF are too big heads.(Big egos)
Rexy did complained about some players who think they are so good that they don't listen to him.

I have to agree that coaching roles might be less than 50% for player/players to be successful BUT every % counts and it still does make a huge differences.

[ye333]

First as I said earlier, Rexy did see the future in the pair KKK/TBH long before the WC 2006 accident.

Second, the first thing a good coach (teacher, mentor, manager, etc.) to know is to choose the right one to coach. Coaches are not Gods, they can't just touch on stupid stubborn heads and turn them into smart ones. (Remember Li Mao's complain that Mas won't let him choos young players? You cannot just give a coach a guy and say, let's see how you bring him up to World Champion, it just does not work that way.)

Therefore, I say Rexy is a very good coach. Currently the best in MD.


BECAUSE LWH/CTF are too big heads.(Big egos)
Rexy did complained about some players who think they are so good that they don't listen to him.

I have to agree that coaching roles might be less than 50% for player/players to be successful BUT every % counts and it still does make a huge differences.

[Inky2000]

But will China turn hostile if their coach in other country produce world class player to compete with China? Eg: the case of Li Mao in producing LCW.. Li Mao disagreement with LYB in the past has even worsen the situation.. So, do u all think Chen Hong and Xia Xuanze coach in other countries? China is indeed a special case..

You still didn't get my point. When I raised the hypothetical situation on Rexy coaching KKK/TBH to win Indonesian Open title, note that I specified "Indonesian Open", i.e., I was thinking of whether Rexy would even be able to leave the stadium! Remember what happened to TC 1967 (correct year?)? The final was held in Jakarta and the Indonesian fans almost started a riot when the Malaysia team was leading. The final was halted and ... we know the history. Another edition of TC in mid-1990s which was also held in Jakarta, INA fans was again restless (e.g., throwing empty bottles, etc., into MAS players' court area) even though the INA team led MAS by 3-0 and MAS managed to convince the organizer not to play the last 2 matches (during that time, the teams had to play all 5 matches even if one team had already won 3 matches.)

Speaking of China, that reminds me of 1992 when MAS last won TC. Three Chinese coaches were behind MAS' success, including their upset win over China in the SF. Still remember who they were?

[ctjcad]

You can disagree for all you like --- nobody cares one hoot about your comments because you are a stirrer. Malaysians like Rexy --- he has earned their respect. Rexy, they should make you a Datuk for your effort.
:) ..hehe, perhaps 2cents has achieved what he wants out of this thread, if at least to generate some discussions and brought out everyone's "2 cents"??..;)
Btw, don't know if kwun/mods want to move this thread to the Professional Players sub-forum..there seems to be another similar recent thread on this "coaching" subject..;)

[ronnie14]

KKK/TBH + Rexy = A Perfect Combination.....

i agree that rexy is a brilliant coach and that, we, mlsian fans wud nvr frgive BAM if they dont renew rexy`s contracts !!

rexy is far away from perfect,but he is the BEST choice for mlsian MD.. definitely the best coach with a gr8 background n records in d bdmton arena himself..

thus, hands up for KKK/TBH + rexy !! best combination for 2007 :)

[ixory]

This Perfect Combination could end this June. Read article below.

hay yuqiu i have some news 4 u..

Badminton: ‘I’m staying on’

13 Mar 2007
K.M. Boopathy (nstsport@nst.com.my)


REXY Mainaky has committed his future to Malaysia but in the same breath, challenged his senior pairs to prove that Malaysian doubles is more than just about newly crowned All England champions Koo Kien Keat and Tan Boon Heong.



http://www.nst.com.my/Current_News/nst/Tuesday/Sport/20070313100250/insidepix1.jpg



The grapevine has been abuzz that Rexy may leave when his contract expires in June to rescue Indonesia’s slump in the men’s doubles but Kien Keat-Boon Heong’s exploits in Birmingham on Sunday have more than convinced the former Olympic champion to stay, at least, until the Beijing Olympics next year.



Rexy, in a telephone interview from Birmingham yesterday, said he is a professional and will not allow his sentiments as a former Indonesian player to sway his decision in any way.

The Indonesia BA (PBSI) has been earnestly pursuing him but Rexy is firm with his decision to lead Malaysia’s charge towards its first Olympic gold, even if it means refusing a request from his mentor Christian Hadinata.

"I am a professional and I have pledged my future to Malaysia. My wife and children are happy and comfortable here and that’s very important for me," said Rexy.

"Kien Keat-Boon Heong have done enough to convince me to stay. What has impressed me is the way they are handling the fame. They have remained level headed and that is what I want — creating champions who are humble and approachable.

"As a player, I offered my services wholeheartedly to Indonesia but I have a job to do here and that’s my commitment and focus.

"At the same time, I have challenged the other senior pairs to match Kien Keat-Boon Heong and share equal responsibility. I had this discussion with the players a couple days ago.

"The players must have the right mental approach and must keep learning all the time. How does Boon Heong, just 20, have the ability to consistently reach finals and win titles?"

Kien Keat, 22, and Boon Heong, 20, are the youngest pair in the men’s doubles squad and they have reached the final of four of the five tournaments they have played in since teaming up, the first time being the Japan Open last October.

In contrast, the more experienced Choong Tan Fook-Lee Wan Wah, Lin Woon Fui-Fairuzizuan Tazari, Tan Bin Shen-Ong Soon Hock, Gan Teik Chai-Zakry Latif and Chan Chong Ming-Hoon Thien How have not reached a final on the world stage since the Asian Championships last year. Tan Fook-Wan Wah beat Boon Heong-Thien How for the Asian title then.

"The others are much older and they should be able to do it too. I’m not so pleased with the way Bin Shen-Soon Hock played.

"They started with the right strategy but lost it midway and the chance to beat Fu Haifeng-Cai Yun (of China in the second round).

"Tan Fook-Wan Wah are doing all right while the others are still lagging. I already have decided on two pairs for the World Championships and there is one more place left. The rest must show they deserve the last spot."

Woon Fui-Fairuzizuan and Teik Chai-Zakry are going through their worst patch but Rexy has opted not to split them up just yet and will allow them to fight for a place in the World Championships.
Bin Shen-Soon Hock are the pair who have a better chance of joining Kien Keat-Boon Heong and Tan Fook-Wan Wah in the World Championships but need to show more consistency.

[haifeng4ever]

Yeah, Rexy is staying on. This is a great piece of news.:D :D

[lipans]

horeee!!!!!!! rexy stay!!!!

[JaCk™]

just hope he doesn't leave quietly like Li Mao. and i believe he won't do that..

[ck1981]

Bin Shen-Soon Hock is another potential pair to watch! They just came back from injury and they beat some top pairs in the past few months. They can do better and will definitely achieve something for the next few months.

[JaCk™]

ya, TBS/OSH very supportive too.. confident and energetic.. still young..

[Tommy Susanto]

Congrats to KKK/TBH and ZB/GL for their first all England title. They are new formed pairs, and soon became the best in the world, ZB/GL are even invincible.

But if you say that's all because good coaching, and credit Rexy and LYB for that. I then disagree.

They are good just because they are good themselves. The truth is that coaching was bad because the coaches and managers had not realized that before. Both of the pairs teamed together because of accidents, not because of coaching.

When KKK's partner CCM's dad passed away, then TBH came up as a substitute, even though they lost in the final of Tokyo open (runner up was a pretty good results even for KKK/CCM), the coaches still wanted KKK playing with CCM instead of TBH. Maybe there are political reasons, but the final decision was not even better than a nobrainer. Although Rexy wanted KKK play with TBH, this was still not good coaching, it was just a reasonable thing any one would do.

Same thing applies to ZB/GL too. ZB had been in the national team for 5 years. Even before the Asian game, LYB claimed that the only pair will go to Olympics 2008 were Gao Ling with Zhang Jun, and GL/ZJ pair is unchangeable. Then another accident happened, Zhang Jun wanted to have his wedding during the Asian Game (I think that's one reason China does not that care about Asian Games), then Zheng Bo went to Asian game as a substitute, exactly like TBH, a substitute in the case of emergence. Then the new pair ZB/GL is unbeatable so far. If the coaching were good, they should finding out that before the accidents.

So, in this sense, both coachings were bad coachings, I mean bad because they were not any better than any ordinary people's thinking and doing. I say bad because the good resutls resulted from accidents, not from coaching. And when accident proved their coaching's wrong (in Rexy case not in China's case), they still not wanted the pair which delivering better results.

This forum is getting nowhere....yucks terrible posts:D The chinese must be laughing their axxx off man:p

[ixory]

Rexy Dreams Of Olympics Success

From Jaiarajo Letchumanan http://www.bernama.com.my/bernama/v3/images/cam.gif (http://javascript<b></b>:void(0);)

BIRMINGHAM, March 13 (Bernama) -- The year 2005 marked a very significant beginning to Malaysian badminton, especially for the men's doubles, with the arrival of Indonesian coach Rexy Mainaky.

The former Indonesian doubles ace who together with partner Ricky Subagja won every title that was available during their time -- world championship, All- England and Thomas Cup -- to name a few, was appointed national doubles coach.

Two years on, he had plotted the success of two youngsters who become the most exciting doubles pair in world badminton.

Koo Kien Keat and Tan Boon Heong who clinched the All-England men's doubles title two days ago after beating world number one seeds Cai Yun/Fu Haifeng of China, were quick to pay tribute to their coach for his tireless efforts, contributions and guidance.

"He has been a key factor in our success. We've learnt many new tactics and skills from him and so are the new players who have come through the ranks. He also guides us during games, shouting quick instructions when we make mistakes or when there is a change in tactics by our opponents.

"For example, during the final, the Chinese pair switched tactics during the second game and Rexy was quick to observe and gave us instructions to vary the game," said Kien Keat.

Under his guidance, the duo shot to fame within a span of five months, winning the Asian Games men's doubles gold after 36 years and now the All- England men's doubles gold after 25 years.

"Our goal now is to win the World Championships that will be hosted by Malaysia later this year and the ultimate aim is to win the gold at the 2008 Beijing Olympics," said Kien Keat.

Rexy, who feels very much at home and who has become more than just a coach to the players, said the best thing about the players was that there are many young players coming through the ranks and they are willing to learn.

Besides the Kien Keat-Boon Heong pair, there are three other young pairs along with the Choong Tan Fook-Lee Wan Wah veteran pair.

Among the young pairs under Rexy's charge are Mohd Fairuzizuan Mohd Tazari/ Lin Woon Fui, Mohd Zakry Abdul Latif/Gan Teik Chai and Ong Soon Hock/Tan Bin Shen.

"Preparing the players entails a number of aspects like tactics, skills, endurance, sports science and of course mental. As a coach, I take charge of the first three and we have sports science experts and mental trainers from the National Sports Council.

"In a match, mental strength is very important as when the players are on court, 40 per cent is skill and 60 per cent mental. If a good player doesn't have the mental strength to absorb the pressure from his opponent, he or she will most likely lose the match.

"When preparing players mentally, players need to be assessed individually and according to their characters because different players have different characteristics.

"Some may be soft while others can be tough. Some can take pressure while others tend to buckle," Rexy told Bernama in an exclusive interview here.

He also said grooming players to become champions cannot happen overnight.

"Time will be an essence and patience is a key factor. My dream is to see players whom I coach emulate my success or go a step further than what I've achieved as a player," he added.

>>so who said coach is not important:rolleyes:

[Dimduo_81]

I guess when it comes to coaching, apart from able to produce outstanding results, one have to look at the practical aspect of it. If the contracts are not renewed or quality is not commensurated monetarily, any coach should leave. Its just a way to survive, being practical. Like, you can't expect Li Mao who was already unhappy of the lagging contract incident stay on when he has other offers. He SHOULD leave, and since he is a foreigner, it was nice of him to leave quietly to avoid embarrasment to BAM by voicing his grievances. I'm sure he has lots to say.

I certainly hope BAM will extend Rexy's contract on time, as he is one of the outstanding coaches who has shown to produce results.

A lot of Indonesians like staying in Malaysia, its like a much better quality of live, best of all we speak and understand their languange.

Can you imagine Li Yong Bo coaching the Malaysian team?????!!!

[cooler]

wow, a hot topic.
Not reading all the posts yet to make my comments, i think success in life and any relationship involve some luck and some good decison making.
Saying good coaching by rexy alone is wrong since kkk and tbh went thru many coaches before reaching national level. Those earlier coaches should get credits too since all the basic to advance badminton were learnt from them. If i put a noob under rexy, chances are the noob will achieve B+ level at best, on average statistically speaking. U have to be super good before u even get coached by rexy. That said, kkk + tbh was a chance meet which i tend to agree but so is meeting rexy. England coulda extend rexy contract and rexy would never be under BAM possession when kkk meet tbh. As in life, u persue opportunities and one bound to pan out. Is this luck or good planning, both i say.

kkk+tbn = experimental luck
kkk&tbn + rexy= timing luck.
li mao leaving = bad luck LOL
KOR gets li mao = good luck
lee HI leave team = bad luck
TH wins 06 AG = good luck (hehe)
LD lost 06 AG = bad luck
TH bet AE title and lost fight with pbsi = bad luck LOL
LD won 07 AE = good luck (ie. no TH)

is there a chinese proverb that says 'as one chance slip away, another new one would drop by';)

[ronnie14]

YEAY !!!!!! rexy stays !

[yuqiu]

[quote=ixory]hay yuqiu i have some news 4 u..

Badminton: ‘I’m staying on’

13 Mar 2007
K.M. Boopathy (nstsport@nst.com.my)


REXY Mainaky has committed his future to Malaysia but in the same breath, challenged his senior pairs to prove that Malaysian doubles is more than just about newly crowned All England champions Koo Kien Keat and Tan Boon Heong.

.....

Thanks you ixory. I can breath easy now. Rexy should stay because Mal is such a lovely country. No tsunamis, no earthquakes, no terrorism, good foods, friendly people, lovely weather and we speak the same language. :) :) :)

[ctjcad]

"He has been a key factor in our success. We've learnt many new tactics and skills from him and so are the new players who have come through the ranks. He also guides us during games, shouting quick instructions when we make mistakes or when there is a change in tactics by our opponents".
For example, during the final, the Chinese pair switched tactics during the second game and Rexy was quick to observe and gave us instructions to vary the game," said Kien Keat.

..(just quipping these portions from the article) and this shows, esp. how important Rexy is/was to their success..The thing i want to see now is, how will the 2 young talents find their success when Rexy is not there, physically, by their sides during their match(es)..:confused: ;)

Thanks you ixory. I can breath easy now. Rexy should stay because Mal is such a lovely country. No tsunamis, no earthquakes, no terrorism, good foods, friendly people, lovely weather and we speak the same language. :) :) :)
OFF TOPIC:..to come and visit Malaysia this coming August for the World Championships..hehe;):D:cool:..Btw, have you signed up for the BC get-together in this thread: http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=40431&page=4 ??..:cool:

[ye333]

I don't think that's crucial -- try to let KKK/TBH play without Rexy being there. Although they rely on Rexy a lot currently, the relation seems healthy. Rexy is not suffocating them by endless instructions, and Koo/Tan are not treating themselves as morons and just waiting for Rexy's words.

There is a danger lying in leaving them on their own pre-maturely, they may lose terribly and lose confidence of themselves. So Rexy must be very careful and choose the right timing and the right tournament to "test" and more importantly, develop their independence.

The issue (how much and what kind of help should a mentor give his student) is very subtle (the goal is to bring the student to his limit), and seems to me Rexy is doing very well so far.


..(just quipping these portions from the article) and this shows, esp. how important Rexy is/was to their success..The thing i want to see now is, how will the 2 young talents find their success when Rexy is not there, physically, by their sides during their match(es)..:confused: ;)

OFF TOPIC:..to come and visit Malaysia this coming August for the World Championships..hehe;):D:cool:..Btw, have you signed up for the BC get-together in this thread: http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=40431&page=4 ??..:cool:

[yuqiu]

Originally Posted by ctjcad
OFF TOPIC:..to come and visit Malaysia this coming August for the World Championships..hehe;):D:cool:..Btw, have you signed up for the BC get-together in this thread: http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=40431&page=4 (http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=40431&page=4) ??..:cool:


Not sure yet. If I can, I will sign up. Thanks.

[ctjcad]

I don't think that's crucial -- try to let KKK/TBH play without Rexy being there. Although they rely on Rexy a lot currently, the relation seems healthy. Rexy is not suffocating them by endless instructions, and Koo/Tan are not treating themselves as morons and just waiting for Rexy's words.

There is a danger lying in leaving them on their own pre-maturely, they may lose terribly and lose confidence of themselves. So Rexy must be very careful and choose the right timing and the right tournament to "test" and more importantly, develop their independence.

The issue (how much and what kind of help should a mentor give his student) is very subtle (the goal is to bring the student to his limit), and seems to me Rexy is doing very well so far.
..and yes, it's quite true that both of them are still relatively young & developing very well..Thus the careful and close guidance of Rexy is what's needed..
But i still would like to see how both of them handle situations in which Rexy is not there, by their sides..;) :cool:

[Iwan]

..and yes, it's quite true that both of them are still relatively young & developing very well..Thus the careful and close guidance of Rexy is what's needed..
But i still would like to see how both of them handle situations in which Rexy is not there, by their sides..;) :cool:
If I were Rexy, I would probably very slowly cut down on the amount of advices I am giving them or perhaps holding it off until crucial points to allow the players to think for themselves. But ofcourse before doing so, I would inform the players of what I will be doing and the purpose of doing so :) Finally, would be when they can win consistently without much advice, then I would push them to totally think for themselves.

[Dimduo_81]

Your thinking is way too egoistic. Maybe you have never met a coach like Rexy and therefore cast all coaches aside down the drain. If coaches play such an insignificant role as you said as to only find the right partnership, then why need coaches at all for singles? Might as well just let the players train themselves and play with themselves allowing their natural talent to help them improve.

I have been coached by professional coaches and I have been coaching teenagers at a competitive level too and I can say for sure that coaches play a significant role in helping out their players. The thing about players is that when they play, they don't always pick up on the little stuff that they can exploit. Worse still, the stuff that they do pick up don't always register into their brain as experience. This is where coaches come into play, enlightening their players on what has been happening. What they've been doing wrong, what they could've done instead of what they did, what they can further exploit that they didn't exploit enough, etc2. You see, sometimes, players are so tired after training that they don't have the energy left to think much about what happened, usually they just want to rest. And it is only understandable that they do so, which is why we have coaches to help them think about what went on and enlighten them on what has been happening.

You think Rexy isn't a good coach? Look at the English Mixed Doubles right now. They were once one of the best an winning the Olympics Gold. Then the following all england in 2006, Rexy commented that they have the skills to win the game, but was afraid that they don't have the proper physical levels to execute them. When I heard this, and saw Nathan's play, as a coach I immediately knew that Nathan is not one of those guys who can self motivate himself to do the required physical training that he needs to do to be good. But when Rexy was there, Rexy made a difference enough to make him do enough physical training so that he becomes enabled to perform the high level techniques required of him to win a game. How did Rexy do it? Maybe you should go and watch Nathan and Rexy's training video clip at youtube. As a coach, Rexy is my ultimate inspiration, I desire and am working on being a coach like him.

May I have the link pls? thanks a lot..I'd love to see that. I've met Rexy before with his wife and daughter..He was really humble..

[Dimduo_81]

Anyway , what do you ppl think of Ong Soon Hock n his partner? I think they are rising stars..not yet but going to be if they stop playing fancy shots n overconfidence go over their head!

[hollywood_t]

For those think Rexy is so important, please think again.

Why before the formation of KKK/TBH, Mas always ended with nothing in men's doubles? If he's so important, why he cannot inspire LWH/CTF who were even better before?

It's just because of the players themselves. If there are some roles for the coaching, it will definitely less than 50%. The biggest difference a coach can make is to find the right persons and pairs. That's what I was talking about they did not do well. The training and inspiring are also important, but come after picking up the right pair.

This isn't entirely accurate as to have a successful program it's more than talented players. Champions don't just spontaneously come into being. Even w/ the right talents you have to support the mental development and training of the players. This is an area of strength of Rexy. As someone else made the point w/ all the talented players in the Malaysian system why no champions for 25 yrs! Also in interviews Rexy commented that the mental approach was lacking. This is not something technique and talented shot making will develop or improve. It's about developing a mental approach in the players to push themselves beyond their limits and not accept defeat in training or competition. That is one of the true values of competent coaching. There are many parallels in other sports, Johan Cruyff as coach of Barcelona soccer/footbal club, NBA Detroit Piston, etc ....

Selection wise it is more complex than you articulated and again if it was so easy why wasn't it done before. I see that 1) either the coach doesn't have the ability to see the potential or 2) he doesn't have the guts or influence to challenge the political system. In both areas Rexy has suprassed all the other coaches in the last 25 yrs in Malaysia. From his interview he was trained under philosophy that the doubles squad will play w/ different partners w/ money on the line to add that competive edge. This would also allow the coach to test out pairs in a real competitive environment. I think his other advantage is that he is mentally strong and can handle the pressure that comes w/ taking risks. More importantly I believe he is willing to walk away if the players don't meet their end of the bargain. This promotes accoutability and leads to results.

I would like to see where Rexy takes the Malaysian doubles and yes we should temper our expectations as this is just the first real success. The real challenge begins now to make winning a habit and dealing w/ all the distractions. This is the real test of the coach's skills and the mentality of the players.

Derek