Fortunately I was at the AE all week from start to finish. However, it was pretty boring as a whole. In particular, the semifinals and finals were rather poor other than the ones involving non chinese players.

Watching these matches, one cannot help but think that the chinese played to some kind of a script. For example, it seems almost comical how Chen Yu recovered from his first set against Chen Jin. The badminton was of high standard but was boring for the audience.

Without the intention of making any accusations, I am sure many people are suspect that the chinese coaching staff especially LYB tend to mess around with the results. Lets just say that I have both seen and heard some things that confirmed my suspicions.

For those who have seen the MS final, wasn't it a complete farce? Chen Yu didn't even seem to try unless he was injured of course. I watched the two of them warming up in the practice hall and Chen Yu had a look of dejection and sadness on his face. There was clearly something upsetting him for those who saw it too.

Don't get me wrong though. It was a tremendous privilidge to watch these players. However, it just seemed that some matches turned out to be an exhibition rather than a competition. Now that all 4 semifinalists are so highly ranked, it won't be unlikely for the same thing to happen again.

Anybody have similar thoughts?

yeah, i was there in the stadium as well through quarters, semis and final... i agree totally with you, it was jus boring.. i was really disappointed with the men singles final, what was chen yu playing? he was like hitting shuttles to the net or way out of the court.. a completely different player to the one who won against chen jin the previous day.. :( in the end, i just got so fed up with the match, tat i fell asleep..

man, he could have played 10 times or even 100 times better than what he did in the final.. way disappointed!! but what to do? the chinese team can afford to do tis.. maybe the other players like chongwei, peter gade, taufik should buck up and give these chinese a real fight..

Ya I think so. Chen Yu surrendered to Lin Dan without a proper fight in the MS final. They had ruined the badminton game and had cheated the audience ticket money. Next time it's better to have only one China player in the final.

The word "cheating" is perhaps a bit harsh. What I tried to stress was that during the warm-up, Chen Yu was clearly not happy about something. Could this be related to what happened last week?

Also like I said, during these championships, I have both seen and heard some dodgy things. I do not wish to disclose the details for fear of making any false accusations but lets just say that it confirmed my suspicions.

I posted this question in another thread ... LD's ranking is high enough and doesn't need the extra points to strengthen his world No.1 position. CY needs the points more because he seems to have difficulty in breaking into world Top-5. So the only reason I could figure out is that the Chinese officials prefer LD, BCL and CJ (or CH) to remain in Top-3 among Chinese players. I do find my hypothesis a bit contrived ...

For now, make any conclusions or formulate any hypotheses. Lets not kick up a big fuss over this.

Did anyone else saw what I did?

well, if you or LYB owns all the high cards, u can dictate the desired outcome.
Personally i like to see chen yu do battle with BCL for the 3rd position in the 08 OG MS roster. Personally i prefer chen yu over bcl. Chen yu had improved alot since last 2 years. Maybe why chenYu seem sad because he want to have a decent crack at beating lindan but LYB likely say no. Why? East answer. LD is 2006, 2007 #1 player and LYB want to make sure LD is also #1 in 2008 OG. Why wear out this precious machine and risk injury when in the big scheme of thing, not necessary. Why blame LYB, i would do the same thing. Hey, Taufik does it ALL the time LOL.

disclaimer: this post is cooler's opinion.

well, if you or LYB owns all the high cards, u can dictate the desired outcome.
Personally i like to see chen yu do battle with BCL for the 3rd position in the 08 OG MS roster. Personally i prefer chen yu over bcl. Chen yu had improved alot since last 2 years. Maybe why chenYu seem sad because he want to have a decent crack at beating lindan but LYB likely say no. Why? East answer. LD is 2006, 2007 #1 player and LYB want to make sure LD is also #1 in 2008 OG. Why wear out this precious machine and risk injury when in the big scheme of thing, not necessary. Why blame LYB, i would do the same thing. Hey, Taufik does it ALL the time LOL.

disclaimer: this post is cooler's opinion.

Agreed, not reason to take the risk for injury, country already won, sad but is true!

Agreed, not reason to take the risk for injury, country already won, sad but is true!
if taufik did play 07 AE, this might not happen. Since the chinese owns the SF, this is expected IMO. At least LYB didn't withdrew chen yu for injury reason as he did in german open.

Ya I think so. Chen Yu surrendered to Lin Dan without a proper fight in the MS final. They had ruined the badminton game and had cheated the audience ticket money. Next time it's better to have only one China player in the final.

The only resolution to this is asking all other nations MS to buck up coz they are to be blamed for an all chinese semis OR......

to send only one CHI MS to every tournament.:D:D:D:D:D:D

The only resolution to this is asking all other nations MS to buck up coz they are to be blamed for an all chinese semis OR......

to send only one CHI MS to every tournament.:D:D:D:D:D:D

Ha, I don't mean that. I just hope that other countries will improve further to give China serious challenges so that China won't monopoly the game again.

Ya I think so. Chen Yu surrendered to Lin Dan without a proper fight in the MS final. They had ruined the badminton game and had cheated the audience ticket money. Next time it's better to have only one China player in the final.
WC07 and OG08 may be the last tourney with reasonable competition so for those planning to attend better enjoy....unless fresh talents emerge from the rest of the world, the tourneys after these 2 will be dominated by CHN...again (no bashing, we admire CHN) all the power to CHN for producing world class butt-kicking players...and would be boring and unless held in MAS or INA or CHN which will be full-house...if held elsewhere esp. in North America, expect empty stadium...so get used to more CHN MS SF domination...restricting players from CHN to 1 or 2 would not be fair, cos fans demand to see world class participants...Li Ling Wei said it best, let the seniors or retired players to represent or train the rest of the world, the game may have a chance to grow. CHN is like a old, dying kung fu master, keep the art to himself and take it to the grave, should be like caucasion professor who unselfishly teach/share their knowledge with the free world hahaha! LO very L! :p :p :p

Ya, China really monopoly the badminton scene today.. At first, LYB hate Li Mao cos he produces LCW.. Next, LYB threatens Zhou Mi if she plays for Malaysia.. China dislikes their coach and player to go overseas.. To them, it is unpatriotic and disloyal.. The master is keeping the skills to himself.. This is good for China but bad for badminton world..

Ya, China really monopoly the badminton scene today.. At first, LYB hate Li Mao cos he produces LCW.. Next, LYB threatens Zhou Mi if she plays for Malaysia.. China dislikes their coach and player to go overseas.. To them, it is unpatriotic and disloyal.. The master is keeping the skills to himself.. This is good for China but bad for badminton world..i think the game of badminton had changed since the days of domination by malaysia, INA, and even US, and it will continue to evolve. So, even some old chinese secrets would become useless in modern badminton. Today, there are videos, advance training methods, better nutrients, etc, that any countries can obtain. I don't think chinese domination is due to china possessing some holy grail secrets. The problem of the losing countries are not technicals but rather economic and political. In the western world, it is mostly economic, ie no support due to poor popularity of the sport. In the east, it's political, too many in-fighting. They have the financials but the $$ are not well spent.

Fortunately I was at the AE all week from start to finish. However, it was pretty boring as a whole. In particular, the semifinals and finals were rather poor other than the ones involving non chinese players.

Watching these matches, one cannot help but think that the chinese played to some kind of a script. For example, it seems almost comical how Chen Yu recovered from his first set against Chen Jin. The badminton was of high standard but was boring for the audience.

Without the intention of making any accusations, I am sure many people are suspect that the chinese coaching staff especially LYB tend to mess around with the results. Lets just say that I have both seen and heard some things that confirmed my suspicions.

For those who have seen the MS final, wasn't it a complete farce? Chen Yu didn't even seem to try unless he was injured of course. I watched the two of them warming up in the practice hall and Chen Yu had a look of dejection and sadness on his face. There was clearly something upsetting him for those who saw it too.

Don't get me wrong though. It was a tremendous privilidge to watch these players. However, it just seemed that some matches turned out to be an exhibition rather than a competition. Now that all 4 semifinalists are so highly ranked, it won't be unlikely for the same thing to happen again.

Anybody have similar thoughts?
i just finish watching the MS final. I guess it was a haste for me to wrote those earlier comments but the script writing theory is not that clear in this case. Chen yu look slow because LD is that good. One has to agree that chen yu is still not at a level to threaten LD let alone beat LD even if chen yu played 100%. Of course there is still the possibility that LYB may influenced chen yu because i have seen him played better (ie faster)

ya, agreed with you all.
Instead of feeling bored with the MS final, I was quite mad.
CY kept hitting the shuttlecock to LD's forehand which gave good chance for LD to kill it. CY knew this was a mistake but he kept repeating it for n times (>_<") !!
and LD tried to make the match looked interesting by having great save until his whole body lyed onto the ground twice, but I still found the match borrring!!

Well I watched the matches live on Astro, overall I think its is still exiciting finals. Then again I skip watching the ms and ws matches hehehehe (don't want to fall asleep). Anyway the MD and XD were really good. See Gao Ling did not smile like she always does, in fact her face look very serious. MD well, its the match of the day ...... very thrilling match, outstanding. The WD match was a surprise to me, didn't expect the upset but I see great determination from ZY/Wei YL to win. Worth watching ..

About the MS. well my friends here also said the same thing ..BORING. I now hope that Sony Kuncuro can join with among the few who can challange the Chinese.

What you have said is true and I can't afford not to be harsh. The Chinese team has messed it all up. It was so frustrating. Its like watching Wimbledon final when the William's 're playing against each other. It was really so full of s***. Chen Yu is a quality player and surely he could give Lin Dan a good fight ... sadly he did not! When Lin Dan was trying to celebrate himself last night, it did not look real at all.

The worst bit is that most of the Chinese players 're becoming super arrogant. If you were at the NIA, have you seen any of them went to their supporters with a smile? Because of this rubbish attitude and lack of sportsmanship, I will now support anything really except those arrogant Chinese players.

What you have said is true and I can't afford not to be harsh. The Chinese team has messed it all up. It was so frustrating. Its like watching Wimbledon final when the William's 're playing against each other. It was really so full of s***. Chen Yu is a quality player and surely he could give Lin Dan a good fight ... sadly he did not! When Lin Dan was trying to celebrate himself last night, it did not look real at all.

The worst bit is that most of the Chinese players 're becoming super arrogant. If you were at the NIA, have you seen any of them went to their supporters with a smile? Because of this rubbish attitude and lack of sportsmanship, I will now support anything really except those arrogant Chinese players.

please separate the chinese players from their management. I'm sure the players has no say into this, whether it's true or not.

Why everyone also says Chen Yu is good one?? I feel he is so-so only. Now u all couldnt have agree better not to have All Players from the same country in Semi-Final ??:cool: :cool: or just Chinese Players. Or maybe because Chen Yu knows he will be losing anyway ?

Only if Chinese coaches are allowed to coach overseas, I am sure there will be equal fight from every country.. There will be Lin Dan from every country.. Imagine LYB coaching Mas?? LCW, KKK/TBH, CEH/WPT and WMC will make a complete monopoly.. Too bad, there are a few China coaches moving to coach abroad.. Loyalty to their country is important.. Rexy as a foreign coach has done a good job and gave his best, although he guided KKK/TBH to beat Indon pairs.. but that's badminton.. someone wins, someone loses..

well, if you or LYB owns all the high cards, u can dictate the desired outcome.
Personally i like to see chen yu do battle with BCL for the 3rd position in the 08 OG MS roster. Personally i prefer chen yu over bcl. Chen yu had improved alot since last 2 years. Maybe why chenYu seem sad because he want to have a decent crack at beating lindan but LYB likely say no. Why? East answer. LD is 2006, 2007 #1 player and LYB want to make sure LD is also #1 in 2008 OG. Why wear out this precious machine and risk injury when in the big scheme of thing, not necessary. Why blame LYB, i would do the same thing. Hey, Taufik does it ALL the time LOL.

disclaimer: this post is cooler's opinion.

what???? :eek: :eek: I'm gonna hate u for this:D :D :D :D :D

Personally, i think BCL is a skillful player.. He jus lack of mental strength in the past.. but now, he beats LCW consistenly, which he fails to do in the past.. Chen Yu also starts to beat LCW.. i do not specially prefer BCL or CY, but i jus enjoy watch them play.. deeply, my support surely goes to LCW..

Personally, i think BCL is a skillful player.. He jus lack of mental strength in the past.. but now, he beats LCW consistenly, which he fails to do in the past.. Chen Yu also starts to beat LCW.. i do not specially prefer BCL or CY, but i jus enjoy watch them play.. deeply, my support surely goes to LCW..
but sadly i started to lose confident n hope in LCW altho he's fr the same hometown as me.. he again n again smashed our heart in pieces..haihz.. only n only if he could put on some interesting fight? reli dissapointed with him esp after the thomas cup last year

i hope ibf or whoever who ask Team China to just send three entries for each category. it so sickening to watch tournament after tournament with at least 3 out of 5 China-vs-China finals.

Quite frankly, I can't recall the last time a non-chinese entry won the Women's Doubles. For Women's Singles, at least you would see an occasional non-China player. But, the doubles is horribly painful to watch them take trophy after trophy without a single tough fight.:crying:
For MS, at least you see strong contenders from elsewhere like TH, PG, LCW, Boonsak and KJ and some others. And MD, CY/FHF are just a good pair. Plus, you find other pairs making our ticket dollars worth to watch.

Please, China, think of how boring badminton would be if you guys just fill up half the entries and claim the trophy through smokescreens and "strategies". You may have a million trophys in your cabinet by the end of the century. But, badminton would be just like table tennis where you end up seeing faces of Chinese people winning medals with very little price money to it as no one wants to watch it anymore

i hope ibf or whoever who ask Team China to just send three entries for each category. it so sickening to watch tournament after tournament with at least 3 out of 5 China-vs-China finals.

Quite frankly, I can't recall the last time a non-chinese entry won the Women's Doubles. For Women's Singles, at least you would see an occasional non-China player. But, the doubles is horribly painful to watch them take trophy after trophy without a single tough fight.:crying:
For MS, at least you see strong contenders from elsewhere like TH, PG, LCW, Boonsak and KJ and some others. And MD, CY/FHF are just a good pair. Plus, you find other pairs making our ticket dollars worth to watch.

Please, China, think of how boring badminton would be if you guys just fill up half the entries and claim the trophy through smokescreens and "strategies". You may have a million trophys in your cabinet by the end of the century. But, badminton would be just like table tennis where you end up seeing faces of Chinese people winning medals with very little price money to it as no one wants to watch it anymore
China only sent out 4 Mens singles players in the AE, where Malaysia sent out like 10... 2 or 3 MD from China compared to 7-8 from Malaysia...

China can't help to dominate if they are better... Other countries would have done what China is doing, if they are good enough to dominate... but too bad, they can't.

If you don't like to see all-China semi-finals and finals, then maybe you should consider buying tickets to the qualifying, 1st, 2nd round, and quarter finals only, because that's where most Singapore and Malaysians will end up losing, but you will at least get to see them play + tickets are cheaper.:rolleyes:

Funny thing is how people want to blame others for their own failure... CRY, CRY... you are too good, and make us look bad... why can't you suck and be more like us.. CRY... CRY and whine. The rule of life is survival of the fittest. If you don't getting better, you are not going to be a champion.

China only sent out 4 Mens singles players in the AE, where Malaysia sent out like 10... 2 or 3 MD from China compared to 7-8 from Malaysia...

China can't help to dominate if they are better... Other countries would have done what China is doing, if they are good enough to dominate... but too bad, they can't.

If you don't like to see all-China semi-finals and finals, then maybe you should consider buying tickets to the qualifying, 1st, 2nd round, and quarter finals only, because that's where most Singapore and Malaysians will end up losing, but you will at least get to see them play + tickets are cheaper.:rolleyes:

i like your last paragraph...waakkakkkakaa :D :D :D

Ya, China really monopoly the badminton scene today.. At first, LYB hate Li Mao cos he produces LCW.. Next, LYB threatens Zhou Mi if she plays for Malaysia.. China dislikes their coach and player to go overseas.. To them, it is unpatriotic and disloyal.. The master is keeping the skills to himself.. This is good for China but bad for badminton world..

LYB should learn from the kungfu master Bruce Lee, who was so generous to share his kungfu knowledge to anyone on Earth.
Anyway, we should not blame China for their dominance. They really work hard and deserve the results. Other countries should learn from China on how to train a champion systemmatically since small.

LYB should learn from the kungfu master Bruce Lee, who was so generous to share his kungfu knowledge to anyone on Earth.
Anyway, we should not blame China for their dominance. They really work hard and deserve the results. Other countries should learn from China on how to train a champion systemmatically since small.

Because of Bruce Lee... you gotta see more big hairy white people beat up more smaller size Chinese people these days in western countries...LOL:D:D:D
Now you understand why Bruce Lee was never in the hall of fame in China.:p

LYB has a job to do, it is to win as many titles as possible. As someone said MAs sent more MD/MS than CHN. If CHN were restricted to three, then so would every other nation.

To all those who beleive TH,KJ,BP,PG,LCW will have more chance if less china players they are in dreamworld. the first time they played CHN player they lost, so it is not as if they can beat one, then get tired. After all The new super series has only one round per day now, so should favour non-chn players.

The real problem in CHN domination is that Badminton is a national based sport, where players represent their country not themselves or their club. The best rivalries come from same countries, Eg. Footbal Everton Vs Liverpool or tennis Sampras Vs Agassi same country, but self supporting.

China only sent out 4 Mens singles players in the AE, where Malaysia sent out like 10... 2 or 3 MD from China compared to 7-8 from Malaysia...

China can't help to dominate if they are better... Other countries would have done what China is doing, if they are good enough to dominate... but too bad, they can't.

If you don't like to see all-China semi-finals and finals, then maybe you should consider buying tickets to the qualifying, 1st, 2nd round, and quarter finals only, because that's where most Singapore and Malaysians will end up losing, but you will at least get to see them play + tickets are cheaper.:rolleyes:

Funny thing is how people want to blame others for their own failure... CRY, CRY... you are too good, and make us look bad... why can't you suck and be more like us.. CRY... CRY and whine. The rule of life is survival of the fittest. If you don't getting better, you are not going to be a champion.

i have to admit that China is good. but, somewhere there they are doing something wrong. i mean, China-vs-China matches always end in straight sets with the victor being the hot favourtie. it feels like a set-up. i would like to see a China player (a nobody preferably) kick the butt of some top ranking China player.

What I mean to say, is that I want to see a better fight. Players try to end China's streak of success. I do not want to see one day when people relate to badminton as a sport played by the Chinese like ping pong. If it is so, then the sport can never bloom due to its one-sided nature. Look at soccer, every damn country is trying to just qualify for the World Cup. It gives the excitement. The same can be said for the Thomas Cup. Well, what it used to be before the decline of Indonesia, Malaysia and Denmark.

i have to admit that China is good. but, somewhere there they are doing something wrong. i mean, China-vs-China matches always end in straight sets with the victor being the hot favourtie. it feels like a set-up. i would like to see a China player (a nobody preferably) kick the butt of some top ranking China player.
China vs China does not always end up in straight sets. Do not allow your feelings blind your judgement. Something is only true if at least you have "some" facts or proves to claim it is true.

It ended up in straight sets only because Lin Dan is indeed stronger than Chen Yu. If you just watch World Cup 2006 final between Lin Dan and Chen Yu, you will actually noticed that Lin Dan could have dominated Chen Yu if he wanted to. LD actually gave Chen Yu more chances, to sort of save face for him. The first 7 points of the 1st game showed how dominant LD could have been, and even though that particular match ended up being LD winning in 3 sets, but honestly I believe from the quality of Lin Dan's play that day, it could have been the same result as the AE final this year. Note: CY is good, too... just LD is better.:cool:

AE semi final (MS): Lin Dan has always been stronger than BCL, and I don't understand why people can't believe that in an honest match that LD can beat BCL in straight sets??? Plus they are team mate... they know each other well, so it comes down to who is fundamentally stronger in speed, tatics, power, and etc.

Now... in Malaysia national final, LCW defeated Hafiz in straight sets, why doesn't anybody question that???:confused:

LYB has a job to do, it is to win as many titles as possible. As someone said MAs sent more MD/MS than CHN. If CHN were restricted to three, then so would every other nation.

To all those who beleive TH,KJ,BP,PG,LCW will have more chance if less china players they are in dreamworld. the first time they played CHN player they lost, so it is not as if they can beat one, then get tired. After all The new super series has only one round per day now, so should favour non-chn players.

The real problem in CHN domination is that Badminton is a national based sport, where players represent their country not themselves or their club. The best rivalries come from same countries, Eg. Footbal Everton Vs Liverpool or tennis Sampras Vs Agassi same country, but self supporting.
This is so true especially the last paragraph... only if people stop viewing these badminton players as national tools for national pride, will badminton ever get close to achieving any kind of real popularity. They are individuals , and should be viewed as an individual wanting to make their own lives better, not making fans feel more powerful at bragging when they win.

i dun hate chinese players. i like Chen Hong and Chen Jin. BCL is great but he doesn't have a killer move that is a winner. i just find it seemingly akward that LD streak is so good. he won most tournaments he entered. look at PG, he lost to Dicky Palyama in the first round. but, on the other hand, Susilo did win over LD in the Olympic first round. Maybe LD is the next Rudy Hartono or Liem Swee King.

Chen Yu is an idiot he kept lifting the shuttle to Lin Dan and getting it whooped back to him at 200mph. Every time he played around the net and dropped Lin Dan he had some success. If you play to someones strength especially when it is vastly superior to yours there is only one outcome. He also looked a defeated man before he stood on court.

Another thing with the 21point scoring system they need to play 5 set matches. I can't stand the 21 point system.

The prize money in Badminton suck's too, the amount of time they practise they should be rewarded. Badminton needs a higher profile so the big sponsors come in like Tennis.

Credit to the Malaysian men's doubles team they played out of this world and showed the Chinese pair up.

The real problem in CHN domination is that Badminton is a national based sport, where players represent their country not themselves or their club. The best rivalries come from same countries, Eg. Footbal Everton Vs Liverpool or tennis Sampras Vs Agassi same country, but self supporting.

You're close. I think u might meant best rivalries is between 2 independent teams or players, same country or not, and both sides have similar skill level.

In the earlier years, rivalry between MAL and INA was fierce, so was denmark versus asian countries. I find rivalry between countries much more deeper since it is often their economic, social and social values are being compared and on the line.

for example, hockey and football are popular here. In alberta, we have the edmonton versus calgary rivalry in hockey and football. Each team has their star players or star coach. To me, what's the point if players or coach often get traded for better pays. Like, who are u cheering for, the team or the players? In badminton, national players don't get swapped or traded (until they are retired or let go).

China dislikes their coach and player to go overseas.. To them, it is unpatriotic and disloyal..

In many threads, I've been pointed out the system in CHN is a lot of different than in other nations. The atheletes are the property of the system, as they were raised and given opportunity by the system. Many of them came from lower income regions, and they were granted a job and paid nicely even when they were still a kid or teenager.

LYB's feeling is very understandable. It's like, no father wants to see his own son and daughter joining the rivalry family, and turn the gun back to the family. :cool:

China only sent out 4 Mens singles players in the AE, where Malaysia sent out like 10... 2 or 3 MD from China compared to 7-8 from Malaysia...

China can't help to dominate if they are better... Other countries would have done what China is doing, if they are good enough to dominate... but too bad, they can't.

If you don't like to see all-China semi-finals and finals, then maybe you should consider buying tickets to the qualifying, 1st, 2nd round, and quarter finals only, because that's where most Singapore and Malaysians will end up losing, but you will at least get to see them play + tickets are cheaper.:rolleyes:

Funny thing is how people want to blame others for their own failure... CRY, CRY... you are too good, and make us look bad... why can't you suck and be more like us.. CRY... CRY and whine. The rule of life is survival of the fittest. If you don't getting better, you are not going to be a champion.


cant agree totally with you on tis.. what happened in the german open final?? we fans definately deserve more than that, we pay money to watch them play, not to watch fixed boring matches.. if lindan's the best, why cant he be allowed to prove it through actions on court?

did LYB order chenyu to walk over for them to conserve energy for AE? did LYB order chenyu to lose in straight sets for them to conserve energy for swiss open? so many question marks.. all these will only make neutral fans to have doubts on the credibility and integrity of the chinese team...

Please, China, think of how boring badminton would be if you guys just fill up half the entries and claim the trophy through smokescreens and "strategies". You may have a million trophys in your cabinet by the end of the century. But, badminton would be just like table tennis where you end up seeing faces of Chinese people winning medals with very little price money to it as no one wants to watch it anymore

The logic here is totally wrong.

Why CHN is blamed, as other teams can't meet the same standard? Is CHN's fault that many other nations' players are under achieve? :eek: CHN players occupied more entries (espeically in later round), because they are good enough to do so. Even if there are so call "team startegy", they have to be good enough to get there in order to use it.

There's a difference between "can't do" and "don't do". Many so call "honest" players only flame CHN after their own failure about "team strategy". Now, ask yourself, if you have all your teammates around you, will you never think about some "team strategy"? Of course, you never did it. NOT because you don't want to, because you never (or very rarely) get a chance to do so. :cool:

Look at basketball world. When NBA Dream Team I won average 30 points (because they don't want to over embarrace others) in 1992 OG, many other nations did not just put up a white flag. Instead, they train hard, and now, they can win. Why can't other nations train their own players the real stuff, rather let them being the "debating champion" or "crying baby"? Let the arm and leg to prove the point, not the mouth. :(

cant agree totally with you on tis.. what happened in the german open final?? we fans definately deserve more than that, we pay money to watch them play, not to watch fixed boring matches.. if lindan's the best, why cant he be allowed to prove it through actions on court?

did LYB order chenyu to walk over for them to conserve energy for AE? did LYB order chenyu to lose in straight sets for them to conserve energy for swiss open? so many question marks.. all these will only make neutral fans to have doubts on the credibility and integrity of the chinese team...

Until someone can prove those matches were intentionally fixed with solid evidence, both LYB and Chen Yu are innocent. No facts, no proof, and how can you logically claim Chen Yu was not injured during German Open and felt "better" during AE... maybe the injury was not career theatening but he was afraid of further injure himself so he withdrew(I am not saying this is true, but possible)?:confused: How can you prove that LD did not beat CY fair square in AE 07 final... I said it many times that LD is indeed better than CY... If LD would have beat CH in 2 easy straight sets, then yes, even I would question it... but this is not the case.:p

Seriously, do most people these days still care about credibility and intergrity???:eek::(:(:(

all these will only make neutral fans to have doubts on the credibility and integrity of the chinese team...

Holy...

On the rule book (e.g. limited entries for OG), CHN is the only victim. And you are talking about credibility and integrity to the only victim (according to the rule book) in this sport? :eek:

If you want the 100% fairness, give as many entries as possible to CHN in all the tournies including OG. I am afraid you might see 50% of the entries occupied by CHN, if they gain enough opportunity to collect enough ranking points. :cool:

Ppl, tell me 2nd case (in any sports), that a WC champion (XXZ) and a WC runner up (XXF) can't even make the team. Simply because whole bunch of "crying babies" or "honorable players" afraid they can't even be qualified if they give the fair chance to CHN to get a "free for all" match. :mad:

The logic here is totally wrong.

Why CHN is blamed, as other teams can't meet the same standard? Is CHN's fault that many other nations' players are under achieve? :eek: CHN players occupied more entries (espeically in later round), because they are good enough to do so. Even if there are so call "team startegy", they have to be good enough to get there in order to use it.

There's a difference between "can't do" and "don't do". Many so call "honest" players only flame CHN after their own failure about "team strategy". Now, ask yourself, if you have all your teammates around you, will you never think about some "team strategy"? Of course, you never did it. NOT because you don't want to, because you never (or very rarely) get a chance to do so. :cool:

Look at basketball world. When NBA Dream Team I won average 30 points (because they don't want to over embarrace others) in 1992 OG, many other nations did not just put up a white flag. Instead, they train hard, and now, they can win. Why can't other nations train their own players the real stuff, rather let them being the "debating champion" or "crying baby"? Let the arm and leg to prove the point, not the mouth. :(
..true and i can somewhat concur..But i think re the basketball scenery, i think a lot of those European players were exposed to a lot of NBA competition/the game itself soon after the 1992 games(either abroad or them being imported into the NBA)...It's quite different in badminton....But if one wants to see a similar affect as in basketball, I think that's probably what badminton needs, esp. for other "not-so-strong" badminton countries to "taste" those talents from CHN, MAS, INA etc.2..Perhaps if one day, CHN, as arguably badminton's current powerhouse, will open its "doors", either by importing them or exporting some of their talents/players/coaches abroad, and allow other foreigners/countries to "taste" their competitions, perhaps the gap will be closer(just like in basketball)....thus we'll have *less* of this "complaining" and "whining"..:p ;)

..true and i can somewhat concur..But i think re the basketball scenery, i think a lot of those European players were exposed to a lot of NBA competition/the game itself soon after the 1992 games(either abroad or them being imported into the NBA)...It's quite different in badminton....But if one wants to see a similar affect as in basketball, I think that's probably what badminton needs, esp. for other "not-so-strong" badminton countries to "taste" those talents from CHN, MAS, INA etc.2..Perhaps if one day, CHN, as arguably badminton's current powerhouse, will open its "doors", either by importing them or exporting some of their talents/players/coaches, and allow other foreigners/countries to "taste" their competitions, perhaps the gap will be closer....thus we'll have less of this "complaining" and "whining"..:p ;)
You do know that China is still a communist country, right?:p
If you have a company as successful as say "Wal-mart", would you share all your knowledge about running a successful business to all your competitors just to please the crowd??? Seriously...:rolleyes:

China has made more badminton training videos to promote the sport to the public than any other country I have seen... haven't they done enough? They produce top quality players and they play quality matches which we can watch over and over again, and learn from them... what else do people want? Trade LD over to Malaysia, and bring Hafiz to China???

The Italian went to China, took China's receipt for noodles, then claim they created the pasta??? Would China be dumb enough to let that happen to them again???

I think that's probably what badminton needs, esp. for other "not-so-strong" badminton countries to "taste" those talents from CHN, MAS, INA etc.2..Perhaps if one day, CHN, as arguably badminton's current powerhouse, will open its "doors", either by importing them or exporting some of their talents/players/coaches abroad, and allow other foreigners/countries to "taste" their competitions, perhaps the gap will be closer(just like in basketball)....thus we'll have *less* of this "complaining" and "whining"..:p ;)


I agree that better teammates and coach do effectively improve the training quality. However, the main factor is the nation's own system, coach and players themselves.

We need to work hard and smart ourselves 1st, then, if there's help, gladly accept it with full respect. However, just lying in bed, crying, cursing, blaming others, won't get the job done. Regardless you have a legendary coach or teammate or not. It's the player him/herself to win the game, it's the student him/herself determined enough to learn. It's not the coach or red-cross aid make a nation to be the "powerhouse". :cool:

You do know that China is still a communist country, right?:p
If you have a company as successful as say "Wal-mart", would you sharing all your knowledge about running a successful business to all your competitors just to please the crowd??? Seriously...:rolleyes:

China has made more badminton training videos to promote the sport to the public than any other country I have seen... haven't they done enough? They produce top quality players and they play quality matches which we can watch over and over again, and learn from them... what else do people want? Trade LD over to Malaysia, and bring Hafiz to China???
..yes, i know they are a communist country;) ...That's just one of my suggestion on how perhaps badminton can be popularized/exposed to the rest of the world, just like how LazyBuddy brought up the basketball example...Sure, they've(CHN) made more videos, like you suggested above, than any other countries..But it's somewhat different when one is actually being exposed right there & then in competition, amongst the best of them, with only watching the videos etc, isn't it??..;)
We're(at least myself am) just looking at ways in "resolving" this, so we won't be seeing all these "complaints" & "whinings", in the future..:p ;)

..yes, i know they are a communist country;) ...That's just one of my suggestion on how perhaps badminton can be popularized/exposed to the rest of the world, just like how LazyBuddy brought up the basketball example...We're(at least myself am) just looking at ways in "resolving" this, so we won't be seeing all these "complaints" & "whinings", in the future..:p ;)

The cause of the "complaints" and "whinings" are not suppose to be other ppl's success vs my own failure. If we can't straighten up our own working attitude, nothing and nobody can help. :cool:

We should accept the help with all respect, but not taking it for granted. As the time we receive help, we should ask the question, "why they are much better than us". Not like, screaming around, "damn, u r the better one, where's my share of the profit"? :o

I don't know why so many people are against LYB. Just because china dominated the AE Open, people start to say that it's LYB's set up.

When Taufik lost to Simon Santoso, I don't people saying anything.

I don't know why so many people are against LYB. Just because china dominated the AE Open, people start to say that it's LYB's set up.

When Taufik lost to Simon Santoso, I don't people saying anything.

Exactly, LYB sent 4 MS players in this AE and when they won, people cried about it being a set-up.

Malaysia sent like 10 MS players and yet according to the numbers, Malaysia has a much better chance of setting things up.

About Simon beating Taufik... that was nothing more than a Dicky beating Gade, only except Gade didn't want to lose.:p

you guys are blaming LYB, and the chinese national team for winning.
hahahaha, that is the funniest thing i've ever heard in my life.

Ya, China really monopoly the badminton scene today.. At first, LYB hate Li Mao cos he produces LCW.. Next, LYB threatens Zhou Mi if she plays for Malaysia.. China dislikes their coach and player to go overseas.. To them, it is unpatriotic and disloyal.. The master is keeping the skills to himself.. This is good for China but bad for badminton world..

how would u feel if LCW or KKK and TBH, joined team China and then beat another Malaysian team in the finals of a big tournament?
thats what i thought.

what???? :eek: :eek: I'm gonna hate u for this:D :D :D :D :D
i better watch my back for some sicko:phehe
I prefer chen yu over bcl because chen u style is simplier, almost like chen hong but not yet as refined. BCL is not agressive enough, he drops when he could kill smash. That's why TH has the easiest time against bcl, bcl shots are predictable by his opponents, especially by TH (also why TH made fun of BCL at one time). BCL style is more suited for WS :D:D:D
LOL, r u gonna hate me more now? :p

i better watch my back for some sicko:phehe
I prefer chen yu over bcl because chen u style is simplier, almost like chen hong but not yet as refined. BCL is not agressive enough, he drops when he could kill smash. That's why TH has the easiest time against bcl, bcl shots are predictable by his opponents, especially by TH (also why TH made fun of BCL at one time). BCL style is more suited for WS :D:D:D
LOL, r u gonna hate me more now? :p

YES!!!!:mad::mad::mad:

It is not China's fault for their domination. Other nations who couldn’t produce top player consistently should also be blame with their coaching system.

In terms of helping the badminton scene, China has contributed many if not the most. Li Mo is from China but no one is mentioning his name for helping other countries like Malaysia and Korea. There are also countless number of players who exported to other countries from China and is currently countering the Chinese team. Please be fair to the Chinese team for their great achievements.

Everyone! STOP!

I am the one who started this thread and raised the point to start off with. Unfortunately, things seem to be starting to get out of hand. I feel responsible for clarifying a few things.

1. No one is to blame. That was not my intention and people would know that if they had read the original post properly. My point was that the AE 2007 became more of an exhibition rather than a tournament. This was something that I expected right before the start.

2. LYB is a great coach whether people like him or not. We should all at least have the courtesy of acknowledging that. The same applies to Yap Kim Hock, Li Mao, Thomas Stuer.................e.t.c.

3. All the top players work hard, just that some work harder than others. Lets not point the finger at the non-chinese players. Being the powerhouse that it is, Chinese badminton cannot survive without others.

4. The qualifying rounds are a tournament in itself. I am sure that many would agree that certain games are better than ones from the main draw. Perhaps standard wise that may not the case but as for pure grit, sweat and hard work, the excitement is definitely there.

5. There is an element of unfairness for some of the chinese players. Like mentioned previously, I heard and saw things at the AE which confirmed my suspicions. For those who saw Chen Yu's face during the warm-up before the final, they would understand what I mean. Who knows? What would happen if they were just allowed to compete amongst themselves?

Everyone, lets try and have an adult discussion about this. With reference to certain people, it seems childish to be throwing the blame around. We shouldn't make false accusations.

Well I'm not attacking your post and most of us who are defending China's dominance at AE Open aren't as well.

We're just tired of hearing others complain how China sets up the outcome of the finals or semi-finals.

Everyone! STOP!

I am the one who started this thread and raised the point to start off with. Unfortunately, things seem to be starting to get out of hand. I feel responsible for clarifying a few things.

1. No one is to blame. That was not my intention and people would know that if they had read the original post properly. My point was that the AE 2007 became more of an exhibition rather than a tournament. This was something that I expected right before the start.

2. LYB is a great coach whether people like him or not. We should all at least have the courtesy of acknowledging that. The same applies to Yap Kim Hock, Li Mao, Thomas Stuer.................e.t.c.

3. All the top players work hard, just that some work harder than others. Lets not point the finger at the non-chinese players. Being the powerhouse that it is, Chinese badminton cannot survive without others.

4. The qualifying rounds are a tournament in itself. I am sure that many would agree that certain games are better than ones from the main draw. Perhaps standard wise that may not the case but as for pure grit, sweat and hard work, the excitement is definitely there.

5. There is an element of unfairness for some of the chinese players. Like mentioned previously, I heard and saw things at the AE which confirmed my suspicions. For those who saw Chen Yu's face during the warm-up before the final, they would understand what I mean. Who knows? What would happen if they were just allowed to compete amongst themselves?

Everyone, lets try and have an adult discussion about this. With reference to certain people, it seems childish to be throwing the blame around. We shouldn't make false accusations.

Your whole post is making false accusations and being childish, yet you try to make yourself sound like an adult... how ironic.:rolleyes:

Just because you saw Chen Yu not being happy( I can say that maybe he had constipation that day or something:eek:)... then you use your own imagination without any proof and say something not fair is about to happen??? WTF???:confused::rolleyes::rolleyes: You have no proof that claims that Chen Yu did not play all out against Lin Dan during AE 07 final !!!

Just because you saw Chen Yu not being happy( I can say that maybe he had constipation that day or something:eek:)... then you use your own imagination without any proof and say something not fair is about to happen??? WTF???:confused::rolleyes::rolleyes: You have no proof that claims that Chen Yu did not play all out against Lin Dan during AE 07 final !!!

That's a very good point. We all know that you have good day and bad day in badminton. Maybe it was Chen Yu's bad day and he was playing at his best, but no matter what he tried, Lin Dan always has an answer for it. How can you be happy when you know you played your best and you lost.

Your whole post is making false accusations and being childish, yet you try to make yourself sound like an adult... how ironic.:rolleyes:

Just because you saw Chen Yu not being happy( I can say that maybe he had constipation that day or something:eek:)... then you use your own imagination without any proof and say something not fair is about to happen??? WTF???:confused::rolleyes::rolleyes: You have no proof that claims that Chen Yu did not play all out against Lin Dan during AE 07 final !!!

What's with the attitude?

Chen Yu is used purely as an example. There were other isolated incidences the details of which I do not wish to divulge with others. No need to kick up a fuss when it is not necessary.

As for you. Were you there? Huh? The guy definitely did not look right. Ask others who were there. Many of the coaches were talking about it too! In actual fact, most of what I have said so far are the words of respected individuals!

Also, lets just say that LYB is very "influential." Many fans will know what I mean by that. I shall repeat this again. The aim is not to point finger at people. Simply highlighting the fact that the semis and finals became somethign of an exhibition.

What's with the attitude?

Chen Yu is used purely as an example. There were other isolated incidences the details of which I do nto wish to expose. No need to kick up a fuss when it is not necessary.

As for you. Were you there? Huh? The guy definitely did not look right. Ask others who were there. Many of the coaches were talking about it too! In actual fact, most of what I have said so far are the words of respected individuals!

Also, lets just say that LYB is very "influential." Many fans will know what I mean by that. I shall repeat this again. The aim is not to point finger at people. Simply highlighting the fact that the semis and finals became somethign of an exhibition.
Another words, everything I highlighted in your post are still you and other people's opinion... did you hear Chen Yu tell you face to face that LYB ordered him to lose??? If you didn't, you are just spreading rumors and accusations around without proof, but yet you told people in this thread that "we should have an adult discussion, and we shouldn't make false accusation"...

Note: Well respected individuals' opinion does not equal facts nor the truth...

Exhibition??? I can't see how most professional players can easily play at the level shown in the AE final at all.:rolleyes:

Another words, everything I highlighted in your post are still you and other people's opinion... did you hear Chen Yu tell you face to face that LYB ordered him to lose??? If you didn't, you are just spreading rumors and accusations around without proof, but yet you told people in this thread that "we should be have an adult discussion, and we shouldn't make false accusation"...

Note: Well respected individuals' opinion does not equal facts nor the truth...

Exhibition??? I can't see how most professional players can easily play at the level shown in the AE final at all.:rolleyes:

For G*d's sake! Now you are starting to become irritating.

I have deliberately not disclosed any details in order to avoid the whole thing becoming a bit of a mess. You only have to ask certain people to confirm certain facts. It is common knowledge that "orders" are definitely dished out amongst the CHN squad.

Also, where did I say that LYB ordered Chen Yu to loose? All I said was that he did not look right as if something was bothering him whatever it might have been. After what we all saw in the MS final, wouldn't many people have their suspicions?

As for the word "EXHIBITION." Go look it up in a dictionary. I am refering to the exhibition of two great talents (LD, CY) on display. It was still good to watch. I am still pleased that I was present at that time. Only problem being it wasn't as competitive as many people had hoped especially after CY had taken out BCL and CJ both in three sets, but that's another story. Lets not go into that.

Your whole post is making false accusations and being childish, yet you try to make yourself sound like an adult... how ironic.:rolleyes:

Just because you saw Chen Yu not being happy( I can say that maybe he had constipation that day or something:eek:)... then you use your own imagination without any proof and say something not fair is about to happen??? WTF???:confused::rolleyes::rolleyes: You have no proof that claims that Chen Yu did not play all out against Lin Dan during AE 07 final !!!
Constipation....hmmm...eat more fruits and vegies and drink more water...hahaha! LOL!:p :p :p

For G*d's sake! Now you are starting to become irritating.

I have deliberately not disclosed any details in order to avoid the whole thing becoming a bit of a mess. You only have to ask certain people to confirm certain facts. It is common knowledge that "orders" are definitely dished out amongst the CHN squad.

Also, where did I say that LYB ordered Chen Yu to loose? All I said was that he did not look right as if something was bothering him whatever it might have been. After what we all saw in the MS final, wouldn't many people have their suspicions?

As for the word "EXHIBITION." Go look it up in a dictionary. I am refering to the exhibition of two great talents (LD, CY) on display. It was still good to watch. I am please that I was present at the time. Only problem being it wasn't as competitive as many people had hoped especially after CY had taken out BCL and CJ both in three sets, but that's another story. Lets not go into that.

Bottom line: Everyone is innocent until proven guilty

You don't have any proof to support your accusation, do you??:rolleyes: Then you should consider admit that it is nothing but your own opinion and stop making accusation and admit that you are wrong from the start.

Bottom line: Everyone is innocent until proven guilty

You don't have any proof to support your accusation, do you??:rolleyes: Then you should consider admit that it is nothing but your own opinion and stop making accusation and admit that you are wrong from the start.

:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

You must obviously have difficulty in understanding what I have written. That's the thing! I "DO" have proof, but I feel that it is not necessary to share it. If certain fans are to get hold of the details, the whole thing will get out of hand.

Personally, I get tired too of hearing people complaining about China's dominance, manipulation or other accusations that people. It's just sad for some individual players. One cannot help but feel a lot of sympathy for them.

Do you guys realize that bananboy replies side china all the time?? I guess he must be a chinaman who misses his country so much.

And his replies always mentioned bad things about malaysia?

I guess he is too sad and cannot accept the reality that china did not make a clean sweep in AE 2008. The fact is that, china just dont have the recipe to produce men double players and I wonder why liyongbo was playing double last time??? Malaysia is only a country with 30 million ppl and china is 1 billion...and the two young malaysian can destroy the "best" out of 1 billion chinese........

After all, the recipe of pasta is from italy...not china.......

:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

You must obviously have difficulty in understanding what I have written. That's the thing! I "DO" have proof, but I feel that it is not necessary to share it. If certain fans are to get hold of the details, the whole thing will get out of hand.

Personally, I get tired too of hearing people complaining about China's dominance, manipulation or other accusations that people. It's just sad for some individual players. One cannot help but feel a lot of sympathy for them.

AND I don't know which part of my post that confuses you, that until you can PROVIDE THE PROOF and FACTS, you are just spreading rumors and accusations.:eek:

That's like saying " I have proof to convict you for a crime, but I can't show you.. yet you are still guilty of the crime!" :confused::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: I am so glad that you are not a judge in the justice system.

Do you guys realize that bananboy replies side china all the time?? I guess he must be a chinaman who misses his country so much.

And his replies always mentioned bad things about malaysia?


Yet, my posts have facts backing them up.
Misses China.. I had never visited China, and Canada is a much better country than China to live in... I can't think of a reason to miss China at all.

Bad things about Malaysia... at least I gave KKK/TBH credit when they won, and WCH is a great player in my book... only thing I don't like about Malaysia is that the Malaysian fans are too bias toward their own country's players and over-reacted about little victories.

AND I don't know which part of my post that confuses you, that until you can PROVIDE THE PROOF and FACTS, you are just spreading rumors and accusations.:eek:

That's like saying " I have proof to convict you for a crime, but I can't show you.. yet you are still guilty of the crime!" :confused::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: I am so glad that you are not a judge in the justice system.

You leave me lost for words. Nothing is getting through that head of yours. The justice system has nothing to do with what we are saying here. This is just a pathetic attempt at a personal attck on my character.

Just think of the consequences of providing these proofs and facts. Is it really necessary to kick up a fuss? There is a responsibility that comes with possessing certain information. Unfortunately it is a concept that you clearly don't understand.

This whole post is not about me. It is about the players and fans.

For G*d's sake! Now you are starting to become irritating.

I have deliberately not disclosed any details in order to avoid the whole thing becoming a bit of a mess. You only have to ask certain people to confirm certain facts. It is common knowledge that "orders" are definitely dished out amongst the CHN squad.

Also, where did I say that LYB ordered Chen Yu to loose? All I said was that he did not look right as if something was bothering him whatever it might have been. After what we all saw in the MS final, wouldn't many people have their suspicions?

As for the word "EXHIBITION." Go look it up in a dictionary. I am refering to the exhibition of two great talents (LD, CY) on display. It was still good to watch. I am still pleased that I was present at that time. Only problem being it wasn't as competitive as many people had hoped especially after CY had taken out BCL and CJ both in three sets, but that's another story. Lets not go into that.

unless you give out this evidence, you have no authority to claim that LYB is ordering his players around. it's that simple.

it doesnt matter whether you want to distribute it or not, if you dont, you shouldnt have said anything in the beginning.

Not much more need to defend myself. Anyone who is an insider and have connections will know what I am talking about. No point in repeating things over and over again. Worse than watching paint dry.

Not much more need to defend myself. Anyone who is an insider and have connections will know what I am talking about. No point in repeating things over and over again. Worse than watching paint dry.
im not trying to bash you, im just saying that if you knew that you werent going to tell anybody, you shouldnt have said anything in the beginning.

thread closed to let participants cool down a little bit...