Taufik: World meet losing prestige

source: thestar.com

IF Olympic champion Taufik Hidayat of Indonesia has his way, he would boycott the World Championships.

The two-time Asian Games champion does not fancy having the World Championships annually. He is hoping the Badminton World Federation (BWF) will revert to the way things were – with the championships held once every two years.

“It takes the prestige away from the world meet when it is held every year. If one fails, they can always say – I can try next year,” said Taufik.

“But the long wait – like in the Olympics and Asian Games – makes the chase for honours more interesting.”

Taufik did not see a need for the annual world meet because the Super Series introduced this year would end with Super Series Finals. “The Super Series Finals will be sufficient.”

To tell u the truth, even when it was once every two years, I felt that the All-England was still more compelling than World Championships. Don't know why.

It really isn't the same as football's World Cup or even European Champions League.

There are plenty of players who 're better than Taufik in Indonesia. His attitude is becoming a joke.

To tell u the truth, even when it was once every two years, I felt that the All-England was still more compelling than World Championships. Don't know why.



I agree with you. All England is definetely the most prestigious badminton tournament because it is the oldest badminton tournament by far compared to all the other tournaments. I think All England started in the late 1890s so there is a lot of history involved. Before the World Championships started in 1977 the All England was the unofficial de facto World Championships. All England is like Wimbledon in tennis. To win an All England title puts you in the league of great players that strecthed more than a century. That is a great honour!

Ya, having the world championship every year will make it lose its prestige. If i fail to win this year, I can try next week. There is no significant history behind the world championship too. To me, there are 3 most prestigious event, The Thomas Cup, All England and The Olympics..

There's no doubt about it .. The World meet has lost all his prestige. I really think it's the worst idea from the BWF. An as Taufik, i also think the Super Series Final will replace the World Championship.

By the way, what's World Championship for? Does it mean that a player who does not win any Super Series tournament but win the World Championship considered as World Champion?? Lin Dan won more tournaments CONSISTENTLY than TH but TH won the Olympics and World Championship.. so who's the actual world champion? :confused:

Ya, having the world championship every year will make it lose its prestige. If i fail to win this year, I can try next week. There is no significant history behind the world championship too. To me, there are 3 most prestigious event, The Thomas Cup, All England and The Olympics..

It seems unfair not to mention the Uber Cup (for women) and the Sudirman Cup (mixed team) as well since they are also team championships like the TC. :rolleyes:

But the World Championships is an individual event like the AE, though it lacks history and tradition. But the title, Champion of the World, is consolation enough for the best to fight hard for it. Especially if it is run properly and accorded the kind of status to which it rightfully belongs. No doubt the Super Series Finals will take away some shine from the WC, more so as the total prize money will be the highest at no less than US$500,000, I believe.

It is one thing to say that if you can't win the WC this year, there will be another chance next year. It is another if you not only win it this year, next year, the year after next, and successively for as long as you are a top professional.

Rudy Hartono has proven that he is the best during his era by winning the AE men's singles title (unofficial title of World Champion) year after year for 7 successive years. He holds the current record of 8 wins in total. Now Lin Dan has won it 3 times. Could he make it 9, although not successively? :D

Both Uber Cup and Sudirman Cup are not so interesting.. Why?? Haha.. Well, because China is the sure winner.. Without any fight, China can easily retain the Uber Cup and Sudirman Cup.. :(

Hehhe.. Loh, maybe he was refering to Mens tournament.

I do agree with Taufik in a way. Not many players are looking foward to WC now if they are not prepared.

Ants, i did consider the Uber Cup and Sudirman Cup before deciding that they are both not so interesting to watch.. U agree with me on China dominance on both tournament?? With China dominance, badminton is boring..

China Dominance is indeed boring.. but what makes it exciting is seeing other country trying hard to scrape of their dominance. Oh well.. we must have balance.

Does the World Championship have a maximum entry from a single country, or is it just by rankings?

as fellow Malaysians, i hope MAS can try hard to win Sudirman Cup too.. we have a chance in MS and MD.. 50-50 chance in Mix Doubles too, if KKK partners WPT.. somehow, i still feel its hard for Malaysia to snatch points from China in MS, WS, WD and XD, from our CURRENT form.. Hope LCW bucks up at this world championship.. Our homeground.. Don't make us lose face.. :o

I think the most exciting and crazy has always been the thomas cup

I think the most exciting and crazy has always been the thomas cup

agreed, you just can't beat the thomas cup for suspense, speculation, unimaginable joy and unrivalled dissapointment ...

yes, that's y i say Thomas Cup is definitely hotter and crazier than the Uber Cup and Sudirman Cup..

China Dominance is indeed boring.. but what makes it exciting is seeing other country trying hard to scrape of their dominance. Oh well.. we must have balance.

I do agree, "China Dominace is indeed boring". But I also tired to hear this again and again. The point is "Did other countries put their efforts into this to break the dominance?". I don't think so. For example, with BAM's poor management, they even failed to keep great coach Li Mao (lack of proper funding, lack of the freedom to chose young players, lack of personal support, like high speed network, etc, etc). What else we can expect?

Please think positively. :)

Agree that BAM and PBSI management do not help to advance badminton. It appears we have to accept that itis a fact of life for CHN to dominate this game...it is like David vrs Goliath.

Once in a while, the rest of the world would produce a PG, TH, LCW and in the past LS King, Icuh, Hendrawan, Alan Budi, Joko, etc. to counter CHN prowess...but presently, I could not see any young talents coming up from the rest of the world to replace PG, LCW, LHI and TH. CHN has an army coming up, and can retire CH and XXZ. CHN can do away with Gong Wie Jie, which would be considered a prospect in any other countries, and where is he now?

We know that to improve in badminton, coaching, budget, etc. can take you so far, you need competitive training partners to improve your game, especially for top level players...I could only imagine what it is like training in China with the majority of the top women and men players in the world assemble in a training hall, training/learning from each other. Their training is more like world class competition, making CHN's team must be very difficult.

CHN dominance of the game and cleaning up every tourneys (it appears that's the trend now), the game would have a hard time getting sponsors and TV money and would not penetrate the rich North American market. Yonex would be the lone major sponsors and the winner's prize would remain in the ten thousands dollar range, not millions as in tennis.

The only venues which guarantee full stadiums may be INA, MAS and CHN. Outside of these countries, the game would be played in empty stadiums. Take 1985 WC in Calgary played in a university stadium and even then is empty and Anaheim 2005 (I was there) where even in the finals with TG playing for USA, take away the seats occupied by the players themselves, the stadium is half full. If WC05 is played in INA, I guarantee you cannot buy tickest at the gate, the same goes for WC07 in MAS, it will be full house, and you would be wise to buy in advance.

How to neutralize CHN's might? That is a million dollar question. Mr. Deep Thinker Punch Gunalan tried 7-point system, now 21-point system, restricting to max 4-player from one country in WC and still CHN rules. There are accusations of game-fixing by CHN in SF, and if that is true, it would take a herculean effort for anyone to overcome CHN dominance.

Li Ling Wei joined OC as CHN representative recently and that is good news for badminton which many people feels is in danger of being removed from future OLY events. Li recognized this deficit (i.e. CHN's dominance) and encourage CHN to let their retired-yet excellent players to migrate and play for other countries. Why did she do that? Cos she has a job to do, that is to promote and advance the game...and for fans, especially the fans who fly in and pay to watch the game, wouldn't we want to see the best players in action and not when the outcome is fixed....and certainly domination by any country in any sport, not just badminton, is not healthy, badminton as exciting as it is (now I am bias) would not grow internationally and would remain a regional, Asian sport.:rolleyes:

Taufik: World meet losing prestige

source: thestar.com

IF Olympic champion Taufik Hidayat of Indonesia has his way, he would boycott the World Championships.

The two-time Asian Games champion does not fancy having the World Championships annually. He is hoping the Badminton World Federation (BWF) will revert to the way things were – with the championships held once every two years.

“It takes the prestige away from the world meet when it is held every year. If one fails, they can always say – I can try next year,” said Taufik.

“But the long wait – like in the Olympics and Asian Games – makes the chase for honours more interesting.”

Taufik did not see a need for the annual world meet because the Super Series introduced this year would end with Super Series Finals. “The Super Series Finals will be sufficient.”
..with this statement from Taufik, i guess we'll just prepare for him to *FINALLY* show up at that yr end Grand Prix Finale and don't expect much from him in other SS tourneys; and he'll go for the big jugular prize money of half a million USD:cool:......or will he show up at all??..:p :D;)
Btw, thanks kwun for the article, although i believe we've seen him made these comments before..;)

More and more players will definately eyeing the BIG one end of this year. The World Championship is indeed important.. but Cash is where the eyes lie on.

If we only look at the players name and concentrate on the games themselves without caring about the flags beside the players' names on the score board. Then all games are interesting...

Cheers
Kent

If we only look at the players name and concentrate on the games themselves without caring about the flags beside the players' names on the score board. Then all games are interesting...

Cheers
Kent

Agree with you that so often people think within the box of race, etc. and loose their focus. Instead of complimenting & congratulating the better player of the match, the end result is words of jealousy and envy.

The African-Americans are so dominant in the track events - do we find them boring???? They deserved to be in at something!!!

Chn is seriously making badminton becoming more boring... its too one-sided thingy... *sad*

apparently, i see that other powerhouses such as Mas, Ina and Den is not focused enough on bringing up new players... they are too much relied on present players namely, LCW, PGC, TH... wad about the upcoming batch of players?? i don't mind if Mas having a few bad years in tournaments by sending in juniors even to WC or SEA games or wadever and eventualkly bringing them up as future champions... and in the mean time, they are focussing on another batch of new players....

look at Chn, they are already putting former champs XXZ and CH aside and are still doin well... if Mas and Ina and Den were to put LCW, TH and PGC respectively aside, they are going to be drown.... for sure....

eating lobster everyday is boring too:p

point is, there is a good and bad sides to everything.
Now that china had raised the bar, badminton skills of pros are alot higher than before. While we see some countries are slipping, some others are making progress like russia and germany.

How is domination by china is worst than domination by china, INA and MAL in a 1,2,3 order? Now it is just 1 with lot of room for any new countries to take #2 and #3 position.

It will take a few years to catch up on China domination, especially woman's doubles, woman's singles and mix doubles.. It is hard to break China men's singles domination during Thomas Cup.. Sad to say so..

I think it should be reverted back to once bi-annually...makes it that much harder to achieve and that more satisfying to win.

Not many countries can match the China's government support for their national team (except Korea and Denmark) and no country can match China's depth of talent in coaches and players. Whether one likes it or not, the Chinese team's dominance will not end anytime soon. One can argue that it's a detriment to the sport for other countries, but it can also be said that China set a new standard for other nations to follow and perhaps spur them to eclipse it.

Not much of a Chinese team fan myself, but I am optimistic that this will challenge everybody to higher excellence. I just hate it when folks bitch about it and do nothing.

Having say that aside, I totally agreed with Taufik that important events such as the Worlds should be held in alternating years. With so many other international competitions in the calendar, I am surprised that burnout is not an issue yet for the pros.

Not many countries can match the China's government support for their national team (except Korea and Denmark) and no country can match China's depth of talent in coaches and players. Whether one likes it or not, the Chinese team's dominance will not end anytime soon. One can argue that it's a detriment to the sport for other countries, but it can also be said that China set a new standard for other nations to follow and perhaps spur them to eclipse it.

Not much of a Chinese team fan myself, but I am optimistic that this will challenge everybody to higher excellence. I just hate it when folks bitch about it and do nothing.

Having say that aside, I totally agreed with Taufik that important events such as the Worlds should be held in alternating years. With so many other international competitions in the calendar, I am surprised that burnout is not an issue yet for the pros.

If CHN would allow their ex-nationals to train/represent other countries, as Li Ling Wei said in OC, hey, that would sure make the game very competitive. Not only would players like CH and XXZ get a second chance to play, just think MAS import them, CHN could not assured of victory in TC. Winning TC for MAS, the reward would be huge for CH/XXZ, probably far more than both can earn when playing for CHN and good retirement money, keep 100% and no need to split with CHN...just check how much the MAS 1992 TC winning team gets. Like someone said, if you win for MAS, the reward is enormous, lose, well keep eating spagnetti...hahaha!

Also, the women's side, CHN is so loaded with great players, that a lot of them would not get to play for CHN anyway, as someone also said, CHN B or C team can beat the heck out of the rest of the world...so allow other countries to adopt them, makes the game competitive and makes these players rich as well.

I have and would never bash CHN for her dominance or her players for doing so well, I love seeing LD, CH, CJ or XXZ play TH, PG or LCW (apology to Sickgal for not including BCL in this group) the match is always exciting, except that the game will always stay in Asia and would not expand. Outside of MAS, INA or CHN, do you think if CHN dominates (I should not use this word) or if there is a lack of international competition, do you think the stadium would be full or half-empty?

In TC, if INA, MAS, PG or DEN lose the first singles to CHN, the game is as good as over, ditto for Sudirman Cup, really the rest of the world NOW do not really has much hope, unless some new talents come on board very quickly. Am I bashing CHN, NO! I am actually paying respect and admiration to CHN for producing so many first class players, but why retire them so early and if they still have the passion/desire to play on, let them move on, makes abundant money for retirement, raise the excitement in this game and so we can continue to enjoy them play...CH as he is now, can match LD, BCL, CJ or any CHN players, why retire? The players who can beat CHN players are their own players, equally fit and play the same type of game, and knows each other so well.

Li Ling Wei, CHN representative in OC and lone badminton voice in OC, said the same thing or kind of almost the same to OC. Hahaha! :p :p :p

Yes, it's pointless bashing China, be it LYB or the players for their dominance. I am sure some of the good Chinese players who did not make it to the, say, top 4 to represent China are equally frustrated. IMO it's not conclusive to say that when LD meets fellow team mates in the final, LYB has a say who should win. If I remember correctly, LD didn't participate in the S'pore Open & Indo Open last year. Opportunities were there for BCL & fellow mates to lift the titles but they failed. So I am not surprised that when they meet LD in the final, LD comes out top.

Having said that, other nations have to look within themselves and find solutions to address the issue. When the 21 pt system was implemented, LD lost to PG & realised that he's to cut down on his errors & not allow a big margin if he wants to win. This is a positive action. It's human to complain but after that one has to move on in a positive direction to progress. Wallowing in the mud won't help.

Pi, Wang Chen, Hu are ex-chinese nationals playing for France, HK and Germany. If these WS stay in China, they would have retired or fade into oblivion. The same for CH and XXZ, still good players, and future players that CHN one day no longer need, why not let them train, coach and represent other countries, and prolong their careers and earn some dough.

In most cases, champions are grown not born. Even if you have the best inborn talent for the sport, you'll likely not succeed unless you're in the right conditions/environment (ie. right coaching, right competition, etc..) How can any athlete from other countries beside Indonesia, Malaysia, Denmark and Korea goes up against professionals trained since childhood? Rather than facing a single talent, one is going up against the product of a system. And there won't be much of a fight unless one's from a similar system. I might re-consider Indonesia because the economics just isn't there for a thriving team anymore. Their core players are showing their age.

Despite some opportunities abroad for ex-pats from China to continue their competitive lives, sadly these athletes just won't do it for the 'home crowds' in other countries. For one, they are seen as casts-off from the intense competitive process of the main team if they continued their playing careers elsewhere. To my knowledge, not many if any ex-pats have prevailed over the chinese team to take a championship from them. NO team would willingly throw out their best players. Unlike the mass exodus of talents from Indonesia to China in the 50s and 60s, you won't find the same kind of exchange in these peaceful times.

I am not faulting the ex-pats for leaving their country to find better opportunities elsewhere. They can definitely contribute and improve the quality of play where ever they go. It just won't be much of a challenge. There is not a shred of hope unless other countries put in the kind of support that China does for its sports programmes.


If CHN would allow their ex-nationals to train/represent other countries, as Li Ling Wei said in OC, hey, that would sure make the game very competitive. Not only would players like CH and XXZ get a second chance to play, just think MAS import them, CHN could not assured of victory in TC. Winning TC for MAS, the reward would be huge for CH/XXZ, probably far more than both can earn when playing for CHN and good retirement money, keep 100% and no need to split with CHN...just check how much the MAS 1992 TC winning team gets. Like someone said, if you win for MAS, the reward is enormous, lose, well keep eating spagnetti...hahaha!

Also, the women's side, CHN is so loaded with great players, that a lot of them would not get to play for CHN anyway, as someone also said, CHN B or C team can beat the heck out of the rest of the world...so allow other countries to adopt them, makes the game competitive and makes these players rich as well.

I have and would never bash CHN for her dominance or her players for doing so well, I love seeing LD, CH, CJ or XXZ play TH, PG or LCW (apology to Sickgal for not including BCL in this group) the match is always exciting, except that the game will always stay in Asia and would not expand. Outside of MAS, INA or CHN, do you think if CHN dominates (I should not use this word) or if there is a lack of international competition, do you think the stadium would be full or half-empty?

In TC, if INA, MAS, PG or DEN lose the first singles to CHN, the game is as good as over, ditto for Sudirman Cup, really the rest of the world NOW do not really has much hope, unless some new talents come on board very quickly. Am I bashing CHN, NO! I am actually paying respect and admiration to CHN for producing so many first class players, but why retire them so early and if they still have the passion/desire to play on, let them move on, makes abundant money for retirement, raise the excitement in this game and so we can continue to enjoy them play...CH as he is now, can match LD, BCL, CJ or any CHN players, why retire? The players who can beat CHN players are their own players, equally fit and play the same type of game, and knows each other so well.

Li Ling Wei, CHN representative in OC and lone badminton voice in OC, said the same thing or kind of almost the same to OC. Hahaha! :p :p :p

Having more countries competing with China will make badminton more interesting to watch..

Cappy75, well said esp. on CHN's "system". But as it stands now, esp. in women events, there is not much of any competition to CHN if Pi, Hu and WC (ex-spats) are not playing...at least WC won AG07 for HK.
With LCW losing to Susilo in SO07 and fading fast, PG aging, LHI retired, TH gone eventually or gone already, the men side appears to follow the women's path and there are no prospects we can see in the horizon coming up, while CHN has abundance of great players.

What I am alluding to, and also what Li Ling Wei said, was to let the recent retirees or players that CHN no longer needs, like CH or XXZ (provided they still want to continue playing) play for other countries. CH is still an exceptional and high level player, and would be a huge gain for MAS or any country in TC.

That would be exciting, if we can see CH or XXZ, still excellent players, playing against CHN. With Li advocating this motion to OC...hopefully this is a step forward that maybe one day, we can see ex-CHN players playing for other countries, and create a more competitive plaing field...I can't see this happening anytime soon cos' it may come back to haunt them.

China dislike their ex player playing for other countries.. to them, it seems disloyal.. LYB objected strongly when Zhou Mi came to Malaysia

The opportunities for national ex-pats are almost slim to none outside of China. Contribution to badminton from the private sector in North America for example will never match China's support for their team. Just look at other sports like figure skating, diving and swimming. China's focus in those sports helped push it to the forefront right to the podium. For one, badminton is a game that's hard to market comparing to soccer or hockey. Traditionally, team sports tend to be more popular than individual sports in commercial media. This is one serious hurdle for the badminton community to overcome before they can even think about contention.

Even if China allows their sportsmen to seek employment abroad, there will not be much difference. Improvement in competitive play will not be sustainable without proper grassroot support or high enough to be competitive with the major powerhouses. This is a vicious cycle that I see will continue for a long time. That's why I see international competitions slowly losing their basic meaning, how can one still call those tournaments international when the semi-finals featured players within the Chinese team?

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Agree with you that so often people think within the box of race, etc. and loose their focus. Instead of complimenting & congratulating the better player of the match, the end result is words of jealousy and envy.

The African-Americans are so dominant in the track events - do we find them boring???? They deserved to be in at something!!!
It has nothing to do with race (actually it might for some people - I'd agree with you there). Why should I be jealous as a kiwi (we rarely make it past the first couple of rounds anyway)? It's just that when a whole round is made up of a single country it loses the whole competitive atmosphere. There's more to competition than the two players on court. Though of course I'll congratulate them if they win, I'll still find it a lot less exciting.

Anyway personally as a fan I don't mind the World Champs being once a year, but I can see why it would mean a lot less to the players.

So far, the olympic is the most prestigious among badminton individual events. imagine, 4 years once. if u lose it, u need to wait for another 4 years.

thomas cup is much more exciting obviously and havin d wc every year, yes, it will lose its prestige...yah,should have it once in 2 years :)

once in two years for WC is good enough. can BWF reconsider it?

Just like in table tennis, we can many Ex chinese or chinese are playing for different countries...I think table tennis gets more TV covarage than Badmidton...I am sure that we will go to same direction like table tennis...now it starts ith all Ex- INA players to other countries..soon will be more MAS or CHN players settle and play for other countries...watch it!!

Taufik: World meet losing prestige

source: thestar.com

IF Olympic champion Taufik Hidayat of Indonesia has his way, he would boycott the World Championships.

The two-time Asian Games champion does not fancy having the World Championships annually. He is hoping the Badminton World Federation (BWF) will revert to the way things were – with the championships held once every two years.

“It takes the prestige away from the world meet when it is held every year. If one fails, they can always say – I can try next year,” said Taufik.

“But the long wait – like in the Olympics and Asian Games – makes the chase for honours more interesting.”

Taufik did not see a need for the annual world meet because the Super Series introduced this year would end with Super Series Finals. “The Super Series Finals will be sufficient.”

So it means that Taufik only interested to play in the ABC 07 than the WC 07?:confused:

Before the ABC 07 final, TH said that he has a big motivation and confidence to win it. So, TH only interested to win the lower class tournament which is specially for Asian players only compare to the WC?

CHN dominance of the game and cleaning up every tourneys (it appears that's the trend now), the game would have a hard time getting sponsors and TV money and would not penetrate the rich North American market. Yonex would be the lone major sponsors and the winner's prize would remain in the ten thousands dollar range, not millions as in tennis.
Asian sport.

nice quote .... Badminton will not be no.1 in racket sports as long as one country keeps on dominating evry now & then...
Take tennis as an example.. It always attract more TV audiences & sponsors for live coverage coz it has been no. 1 racket sports by far...
So far, non of one single country can said be dominant in tennis...
The great players at the moment is frm the Swiss; Spain; Russia; US ; AUS ..even several women Players frm CHN etc...
So many countries can win an Tennis Opens.. The results is also being always unpredictable compare with badminton...
For a neutral sports fans... Which i believe... Will Turn their attention to Tennis IF given them a choice...

Even CHN encourage their ex or retired player to go abroad... I dont fink they should challenge their own current bunches of players...and displaced CHN team as no. 1 in badminton
Takes PHY / XHW/YJ for examples..Neither of them ever takes crown in World Cup or Olympic Games before....

woooow,so much amusement i found in here.
1stly,i never knew,well i know now, that taufik is that famous.quite impressive,since he's not that person who is being talked in indonesia. :D
then, i also never knew,till now, that there lots of peep got interest,i mean real interest on sports especially badminton.the only reason i watch those sports events is just because they got these-so-damn-hot-atheletes, ;)hehe.sorry for that, didnt mean to not appreciate ur interests.it can be quite intersting also,though.but i really do put my real interest on NBA or WNBA,hoo.ouh,one more, dont u guys think peter gade is a real hot ?what a badluck he already with a perfect family picture,hee.

..with this statement from Taufik, i guess we'll just prepare for him to *FINALLY* show up at that yr end Grand Prix Finale and don't expect much from him in other SS tourneys; and he'll go for the big jugular prize money of half a million USD:cool:......or will he show up at all??..:p :D;)
Btw, thanks kwun for the article, although i believe we've seen him made these comments before..;)

i agree with TH, WC becomes 'ordinary' tournament

TH must improve his ranking if he wants to play in super SS (only top 8 players)

there's no other way but he must play in ss tournaments and doesn't lose in early round :D

Because of what he thinks, I doubt he would like to win this. So I am discounting him as a possibility for this WC.

Even CHN encourage their ex or retired player to go abroad... I dont fink they should challenge their own current bunches of players...and displaced CHN team as no. 1 in badminton
Takes PHY / XHW/YJ for examples..Neither of them ever takes crown in World Cup or Olympic Games before....

If China does not do well in Badminton like tennis, the prize for badminton players could be even less because of losing market of China. The popularity of badminton depends on China players and Chinese economy. If China's economy surpass US and more companies put money on badminton then badminton may gain more popularity. Currently badminton is not popular in China, much less than table tennis. If the popularity of badminton in China catch up with table tennis and have national club competition, then the players can make good money and I believe it may become as successful as NBA, NFL etc.

Taufik: World meet losing prestige

source: thestar.com

IF Olympic champion Taufik Hidayat of Indonesia has his way, he would boycott the World Championships.

The two-time Asian Games champion does not fancy having the World Championships annually. He is hoping the Badminton World Federation (BWF) will revert to the way things were – with the championships held once every two years.

“It takes the prestige away from the world meet when it is held every year. If one fails, they can always say – I can try next year,” said Taufik.

“But the long wait – like in the Olympics and Asian Games – makes the chase for honours more interesting.”

Taufik did not see a need for the annual world meet because the Super Series introduced this year would end with Super Series Finals. “The Super Series Finals will be sufficient.”

ABC and Singapore Open is held every year, and it isn't a prestigious tourneys. TH won ABC title 3 times, and SO twice. Why TH only interested to won those tourneys, compare to World Championships?

He was absence in AE 07, because he affraids to meet other top players, and he decided to participate in ABC 07, a lower level tourney that is suitable for second class players to compete.

If you can't win it, don't say that it isn't prestigious.

IMO, bi-annual WC is definitely more acceptable & prestigious than annual WC.

If WC is held every two years, than LD & CY/FHF wouldn't have won it.:D So, TH & Tony Gunawan/Howard Bach are still the defending champions.:cool: That's why TH :o...

ABC and Singapore Open is held every year, and it isn't a prestigious tourneys. TH won ABC title 3 times, and SO twice. Why TH only interested to won those tourneys, compare to World Championships?

He was absence in AE 07, because he affraids to meet other top players, and he decided to participate in ABC 07, a lower level tourney that is suitable for second class players to compete.

If you can't win it, don't say that it isn't prestigious.

torress,

if you lose in wc today, you can win it next year,
if you lose in Super series today, you can win it next year,

(those anually tournaments are still important for TH's ranking, if he's not interested
to play in those tourneys, his ranking will drop down.. finally he can't qualify to olympic :p or he must play in a qualifying round :p)

if you lose in Olympic today, you must wait 4 years to win it :p
if you lose in Asian games today , you must wait 4 years to win it
and you can't be sure to play again in next 4 year :p

that's why an anually tournament is less prestigious than those tournaments which are held every 2 years or every 4 years

torress,

if you lose in wc today, you can win it next year,
if you lose in Super series today, you can win it next year,

(those anually tournaments are still important for TH's ranking, if he's not interested
to play in those tourneys, his ranking will drop down.. finally he can't qualify to olympic :p or he must play in a qualifying round :p)

if you lose in Olympic today, you must wait 4 years to win it :p
if you lose in Asian games today , you must wait 4 years to win it
and you can't be sure to play again in next 4 year :p

that's why an anually tournament is less prestigious than those tournaments which are held every 2 years or every 4 years

Asian Games is prestigious? Why?
Without 3 top MS from China, without any other continental players, it is prestigious?

IMO, bi-annual WC is definitely more acceptable & prestigious than annual WC.

If WC is held every two years, than LD & CY/FHF wouldn't have won it.:D So, TH & Tony Gunawan/Howard Bach are still the defending champions.:cool: That's why TH :o...

No WC contest in 2008, coz it can't be the 2 biggest contests held in the same year.

next we're gonna have thomas cup every year =.="

Asian Games is prestigious? Why?
Without 3 top MS from China, without any other continental players, it is prestigious?

are u a newbee in badminton world ? :p

the best badminton players come from asia continent, bro :p
without players from outside of asia , asian games is still pretigious

in asian games, only 2 player of each country who can play

asian games 2006
china: lin dan, BCL
Ina: TH, Sony
Malaysia: LCW,hafidz

semi:
Th defeated Lcw
Lin dan defeated ????

final:

TH defeated Lindan :p

ya.. We would like to see many major tournaments limited the entry by 2 players of each countries..
ASIA games and Olympics is a Games of World's spirits.. The purpose to held it was needs to encourage more nations to participate in many sports events.. It will lost the prestigious status iF all the countries can allowed to send as many players into one single events.. And end out with Same countries sweeping all the medals.
As I mentioned in my previous thread.. KOR/JPN never send their strongest contigents in AG or OG mainly due to their willingness to "Sacrisfy" to makes Karate/ Taekwondo which dominates by their own athletes and give the world a chance to have interest in those 2 sports..
Let's said CHN allowed to send the strongest & largest team to AG for badminton.. We will see ALL CHN affairs in WS/WD SF/Finals.. So the crowds will be like watching CHinese national championship rather than watch the AG !

I agree with TH that WC should held every two years. We have seen the even more competitive line-up featured in the previous China Open. With the absent of BP, CH and LHI in this WC, it is hardly convincing that the WC would be more exciting than other major opens. Therefore, WC should held every 2 years to maintain its prestige.

Actually WC should be held every 2 years. That will definately make the tournament a look foward tournament for every players. Now WC is called WC but it is like a normal regular SS finals.

Do players get anything from their country/government if they win the WC?
Pls let me know (INA,CHN & MAS)
Thanks

Actually WC should be held every 2 years. That will definately make the tournament a look foward tournament for every players. Now WC is called WC but it is like a normal regular SS finals.

I think several other sports are having annual world meets, e.g., squash, tennis (team cups), gymnastics (skipping OG years?). Perhaps we just need to get used to the idea for badminton's case.

next we're gonna have thomas cup every year =.="
I fink its not possible for the moment.. SS attract more players due to the prize money.
If it is so.. Many players will skip this TC to concentrate on SS instead. TC is only for the honour of their country. Where else u can keep the money in ur own pocket for the $$ u win in SS :D:D

If it is so.. Many players will skip this TC to concentrate on SS instead. TC is only for the honour of their country. Where else u can keep the money in ur own pocket for the $$ u win in SS :D:D

It varies from country to country. When MAS regained TC in 1992 (?), each of the players and coaches received a free house and a free car, among others, if I'm not wrong.

No WC contest in 2008, coz it can't be the 2 biggest contests held in the same year.
If the WC is held bi-ennially (once every two years), it will never clash with olympic. Since the WC is changed to an annual event, it won't be held on olympic year and everyone knows it.

If your intention is to attract attention here, let me tell u this, u have acheived it to certain extent. Unless u misunderstood my previous post, otherwise PLEASE stop giving facts that everyone has already known.

I'm just curious, how old are you?

IMO, bi-annual WC is definitely more acceptable & prestigious than annual WC.

If WC is held every two years, than LD & CY/FHF wouldn't have won it.:D So, TH & Tony Gunawan/Howard Bach are still the defending champions.:cool: That's why TH :o...

Not only LD, but also TH, ZJH, Joko, and the others.
Basically, WC is held every 3 years.

1977 Flemming Delfs
1980 Rudi Hartono
1983 Icuk
1985 Han Jian
1987 Yang Yang
1989 Yang Yang
1991 ZJH
1993 Joko
1995 Heryanto Arbi
1997 Peter Rasmussen
1999 Sun Jun
2001 Hendrawan
2003 Xia Xuanze
2005 Taufik
2006 Lin Dan

Bad news : 1 title only for China:crying:
Good news : Taufik never won it:D:D:D

So, we will never heard every one is saying : Taufik Hidayat, an Olympic champion and World champion :D:D:D:D:D

Not only LD, but also TH, ZJH, Joko, and the others.
Basically, WC is held every 3 years.

1977 Flemming Delfs
1980 Rudi Hartono
1983 Icuk
1985 Han Jian
1987 Yang Yang
1989 Yang Yang
1991 ZJH
1993 Joko
1995 Heryanto Arbi
1997 Peter Rasmussen
1999 Sun Jun
2001 Hendrawan
2003 Xia Xuanze
2005 Taufik
2006 Lin Dan

Bad news : 1 title only for China:crying:
Good news : Taufik never won it:D:D:D

So, we will never heard every one is saying : Taufik Hidayat, an Olympic champion and World champion :D:D:D:D:D
Torres, kamu masih belum ngerti aku!
Apa yang aku bilang adalah: Kalo WC masih diadakan 2 tahun sekali, WC 2006 takkan diadakan, maka LD & CY/FHF takkan menang. Jadi, TH & Tony/Bach masih juara bertahan. Ngerti?

Ya udah, capek ngomong sama lu!

Hi Robin7,

You are wrong. Since 2006, WC will be held every 1 year.
WC 2006 champion for MD is CY/FHF and MS Champion is LD.

So TH & Tony/Bach not the depending champion.

Note: Maybe you just born in 2007 so you don't know.
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Kamu salah. Sejak 2006, WC sudah diadakan setiap 1 tahun sekali. Bukan 2 tahun sekali.

Juara WC2006 untuk Man Double adalah CY/FHF
Juara WC2006 untuk Man Single adalah Lin Dan

Note: Kayaknya kamu baru dilahirkan tahun 2007, sehingga kamu tidak tahu.
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Torres, kamu masih belum ngerti aku!
Apa yang aku bilang adalah: Kalo WC masih diadakan 2 tahun sekali, WC 2006 takkan diadakan, maka LD & CY/FHF takkan menang. Jadi, TH & Tony/Bach masih juara bertahan. Ngerti?

Ya udah, capek ngomong sama lu!

Hi Torres,
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Taufik Hidayat is one of the badminton champion got titles for 3 importants International Tournament:
- 2004 Asian Games Man Single Champion
- 2006 Asian Games Man Single Champion
- 2004 Olimpic Games Man Single Champion
- 2005 World Championship Man Single Champion

Taufik Hidayat target to win the all england so he will get the completed champion later on.

You can go to IBF Website and download the Taufik Hidayat profil.

You can also download the others player profil from the IBF Website.
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Lindan: All England Champion 3 times and WC2006 Champion but he don't have the Asian Games and Olimpic titles.

So: Lin Dan target win both Olimpic and Asian Games.

So Taufik target win the all england.

So this two players will be the legend badminton player on the world, I think so.
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FYI: In China and Malaysia, The coaches and Head Coach there (China and Malaysia) put Taufik Hidayat name to the list of the dangrerous players.

You can see from Misbun Sidek said same things... because Taufik Hidayat is completed players..All shot very good..backhand smash, netting and jump smash very fantastic.

You can see from Zoa Jian Hua comments: That Taufik Hidayat is completed player especially for his netting and his backhand smash. and his
defence also good, ZJH Added.


Not only LD, but also TH, ZJH, Joko, and the others.
Basically, WC is held every 3 years.

1977 Flemming Delfs
1980 Rudi Hartono
1983 Icuk
1985 Han Jian
1987 Yang Yang
1989 Yang Yang
1991 ZJH
1993 Joko
1995 Heryanto Arbi
1997 Peter Rasmussen
1999 Sun Jun
2001 Hendrawan
2003 Xia Xuanze
2005 Taufik
2006 Lin Dan

Bad news : 1 title only for China:crying:
Good news : Taufik never won it:D:D:D

So, we will never heard every one is saying : Taufik Hidayat, an Olympic champion and World champion :D:D:D:D:D

Yes. I gree with taufik and you also..

Since 2006, WC will be held every 1 year. is not good again said taufik..

2 years is better more competative. Also Olimpic every 4 years is good.

So that's way....not a lots players interested to join and take the WC anymore..

I agree with TH that WC should held every two years. We have seen the even more competitive line-up featured in the previous China Open. With the absent of BP, CH and LHI in this WC, it is hardly convincing that the WC would be more exciting than other major opens. Therefore, WC should held every 2 years to maintain its prestige.

Yes. I gree with taufik and you also..

Since 2006, WC will be held every 1 year. is not good again said taufik..

2 years is better more competative. Also Olimpic every 4 years is good.

So that's way....not a lots players interested to join and take the WC anymore..

WC should be held every 4 years ...before of after Olympic

For example:

Olympic 2008
WC 2010
Olympic 2012
WC 2014
and so on

I think the "prestige" of any tournament is determined by the quality of the players taking part in it. This forthcoming WC in KL is prestigious because only those of the top quality in the world are eligible to play, with the exception of some leeway given to the host country to field wild cards.

Remember, some SS opens were not graced by some top players and certain countries did not send their top representatives. But most of the world's high ranking players would not want to give the WC a miss and some very good players like Malaysia's Wong Choong Hann, did their best to qualify but alas they still did not manage to. Chen Hong, now a China independent, on the other hand, while in the top ranked group, was not given a chance because of politics.

I agree that each year we should determine who is the World Champion, irrespective of how many SS tournaments players take part in during the year. The WC is the most important tournament, apart from the 4-yearly Olympics, for a top player to prove to the world.

When a badminton WC can be organized annually we should have it. Unlike the Olympics or other regional Games like Asian Games, Commonwealth Games, Southeast Asia Games, where lots of effort, time and money need to be expended to cater to so many games and countries, organizers will need more than a year to ensure success. That's one reason why they are not held annually.

An annual WC for badminton gives a professional player something to look forward to, to make the necessary preparations to peak at the right time and to settle once and for all who is the best player. Losers will have no excuses to make. Remember too that anything can happen within the year that may deprive the player from making an impact, just like Choong Hann and Chen Hong. So why wait so long for a WC instead of giving every player a chance each year?

It also gives us badminton fans a great time to meet, enjoy our fellowship and meals together, watch over TV for others and enjoy the exciting proceedings. It is fantastic entertainment!

The proof? Just look up the list of BC members who have signed up for the occasion. And there are many who prefer not to publicize their names and intentions but they will be there just the same!

SEE YOU IN KL!

Not only LD, but also TH, ZJH, Joko, and the others.
Basically, WC is held every 3 years.

1977 Flemming Delfs
1980 Rudi Hartono
1983 Icuk
1985 Han Jian
1987 Yang Yang
1989 Yang Yang
1991 ZJH
1993 Joko
1995 Heryanto Arbi
1997 Peter Rasmussen
1999 Sun Jun
2001 Hendrawan
2003 Xia Xuanze
2005 Taufik
2006 Lin Dan

Bad news : 1 title only for China:crying:
Good news : Taufik never won it:D:D:D

So, we will never heard every one is saying : Taufik Hidayat, an Olympic champion and World champion :D:D:D:D:D

kehet... , lu bego lagi :p :p :D

search before you post

taufik is the only player who can win olympic (2004) and WC (2005) in the same period

World Championships should be held biennially:
2007 World Championships
2008 Olympics
2009 World Championships
2010 Asian Games
......................

It also gives us badminton fans a great time to meet, enjoy our fellowship and meals together, watch over TV for others and enjoy the exciting proceedings. It is fantastic entertainment!

The proof? Just look up the list of BC members who have signed up for the occasion. And there are many who prefer not to publicize their names and intentions but they will be there just the same!

SEE YOU IN KL!
..i wonder how many BCers, who didn't sign up, will turn up in the WC??..:confused:..Loh, do you have any inside knowledge or simply a hunch??..:p;)
Btw, hope to see you soon also, Loh!!:):cool:

kehet... , lu bego lagi :p :p :D

search before you post

taufik is the only player who can win olympic (2004) and WC (2005) in the same period

KAMU YANG BEGO:D.
JIKA BWF TETAP KONSISTEN DENGAN PERATURAN AWAL (DISELENGGARAKAN SETIAP 3 TAHUN SEKALI), MAKA TAUFIK BUKANLAH JUARA DUNIA 2005, KARENA TIDAK ADA KEJUARAAN DUNIA PADA TAHUN TERSEBUT.

are u a newbee in badminton world ? :p

the best badminton players come from asia continent, bro :p
without players from outside of asia , asian games is still pretigious

in asian games, only 2 player of each country who can play

asian games 2006
china: lin dan, BCL
Ina: TH, Sony
Malaysia: LCW,hafidz

semi:
Th defeated Lcw
Lin dan defeated ????

final:

TH defeated Lindan :p

AG 06 :
without WR # 3 Peter Gade (S'pore 06 champion)
without WR # 4 Chen Hong (Denmark & China 06 champion)
without WR # 5 Chen Jin (CM 06 champion)
without WR # 8 Kenneth Jonassen
without WR # 9 Chen Yu

without 9 players in WR # 11- 25

ASIAN GAMES :

LESS QUANTITY, LESS QUALITY, NO PRIZE MONEY, NO POINT REWARD, and THE MOST IMPORTANT THING, AG IS NOT AN OFFICIAL TOURNAMENT OF BWF

WHERE IS THE PRESTIGE???

@Torress..

sorry i know you 'hero' never wins AG and Olympic.. :)
there's also no prize winner in Olympic.. you'd better tell you 'hero' not to play in olympic 2008 :)

the AG/olympic limit the player, only 2 player/country.....

AG 06 :
without WR # 3 Peter Gade (S'pore 06 champion)
without WR # 4 Chen Hong (Denmark & China 06 champion)
without WR # 5 Chen Jin (CM 06 champion)
without WR # 8 Kenneth Jonassen
without WR # 9 Chen Yu

without 9 players in WR # 11- 25

ASIAN GAMES :

LESS QUANTITY, LESS QUALITY, NO PRIZE MONEY, NO POINT REWARD, and THE MOST IMPORTANT THING, AG IS NOT AN OFFICIAL TOURNAMENT OF BWF[/SIZE]

WHERE IS THE PRESTIGE???[/SIZE]

ngawur lagi ini orang.. :p

AG is for Asian..bro

you must ask LYB why he didn't field up Chen hong or chen jin,
becos AG/Olympic only permit 2 player/country

and LYB picked Lindan Bao Chun lai

if you play in AG/olympic, you represent your country officially and if you win, there will be a flag rising ceremony with national antheme song. that's is THE PRESTIGE, a prestige is not money thing, it is about Honour and glory..

Hi Robin7,

You are wrong. Since 2006, WC will be held every 1 year.
WC 2006 champion for MD is CY/FHF and MS Champion is LD.

So TH & Tony/Bach not the depending champion.

Note: Maybe you just born in 2007 so you don't know.
If WC is not supposed to be held in 2006, how LD & CY/FHF won it?:D

And if WC is not held in 2006, so aren't TH & Tony/Bach the defending champions?:D

FYI, 2006 is the first WC after they changed it to annual event. Otherwise the following WC is supposed to be in 2007 followed by 2009 and so on.

Think before u guys post! I'm just wondering who are the one born in 2007!:D

Sungguh memalukan!:D Some more call yourself "badminto_expert"!:confused:

@Torress..

sorry i know you 'hero' never wins AG and Olympic.. :)
there's also no prize winner in Olympic.. you'd better tell you 'hero' not to play in olympic 2008 :)

the AG/olympic limit the player, only 2 player/country.....


OG (and also WC) provides HIGHEST POINT REWARD THAN ANY OTHER TOURNAMENTS. how about AG?

OG (and also WC) provides HIGHEST POINT REWARD THAN ANY OTHER TOURNAMENTS. how about AG?

taufik got 200 millions rupiah ($20.000) from winning Ag 2006.. that's enough it's like he won money prizes from 2 reguler tournaments in a row :p

ngawur lagi ini orang.. :p

AG is for Asian..bro

you must ask LYB why he didn't field up Chen hong or chen jin,
becos AG/Olympic only permit 2 player/country

and LYB picked Lindan Bao Chun lai

if you play in AG/olympic, you represent your country officially and if you win, there will be a flag rising ceremony with national antheme song. that's is THE PRESTIGE, a prestige is not money thing, it is about Honour and glory..

that's why I said AG is not prestigious. Like Cooler said, it's just like not all guess are invited.

Every continental championships is not prestigious, therefore there is no continental championship in tennis (# 1 racquet sport in the world).

that's why I said AG is not prestigious. Like Cooler said, it's just like not all guess are invited.

Every continental championships is not prestigious, therefore there is no continental championship in tennis (# 1 racquet sport in the world).


wah payah lu :p :p

in AG, there's also a tennis match :p

if i represent for my country to play in sea games or Asian Games or Olympic or Summer games or Winter games, that will be a prestige and a honour to me

taufik got 200 millions rupiah ($20.000) from winning Ag 2006.. that's enough it's like he won money prizes from 2 reguler tournaments in a row :p

For Indonesia, AG's gold is prestigious, that's why they really appreciate it. It is different for China and Korea, they won so many Olympic's gold medal. Thus, no any monetary rewards for their athletes whom are success in AG.

Just for info, China sends 63% young guns in AG 06, and the Doha AG organizer were dissapointed with China. They ask China to "appreciate" this games, by sends more top athletes to Doha. Finally, China's players can deliver more gold medals compare to Busan AG 02.
China only wants his athletes got more experiences, so they can played better in OG 08. Is it clear for you?

For Indonesia, AG's gold is prestigious, that's why they really appreciate it. It is different for China and Korea, they won so many Olympic's gold medal. Thus, no any monetary rewards for their athletes whom are success in AG.

Just for info, China sends 63% young guns in AG 06, and the Doha AG organizer were dissapointed with China. They ask China to "appreciate" this games, by sends more top athletes to Doha. Finally, China's players can deliver more gold medals compare to Busan AG 02.
China only wants his athletes got more experiences, so they can played better in OG 08. Is it clear for you?

CHINA won 150 gold medals in Busan 02, and 165 gold medals in Doha 06. Imagine, 315 golds in just 2 AG. Compare it to Indonesia, less than 150 golds from the 4th AG in Jakarta (1962) until Doha 06.

I agree with Taufik. WC loses it prestige if it is played every year. Once every two years would be perfect. To me, a better arrangement would be making WC the finals for Super Series. I feel today the schedule for Super Series is too tight. It's better to spread it out further, like two years.

CHINA won 150 gold medals in Busan 02, and 165 gold medals in Doha 06. Imagine, 315 golds in just 2 AG. Compare it to Indonesia, less than 150 golds from the 4th AG in Jakarta (1962) until Doha 06.

Sorry, it should be ...

China : 938 golds from 8 AG (1974, 1982-2006)
Indonesia : < 60 golds from 12 AG (1962-2006)

Torres, kamu masih belum ngerti aku!
Apa yang aku bilang adalah: Kalo WC masih diadakan 2 tahun sekali, WC 2006 takkan diadakan, maka LD & CY/FHF takkan menang. Jadi, TH & Tony/Bach masih juara bertahan. Ngerti?

Ya udah, capek ngomong sama lu!

It is not fair to say like that. From your point of view, LD is the lucky guy, coz he can won the WC with the "helps" from BWF. Don't forget, if BWF still CONSISTENT with their basic regulation about WC (held it every 3 years), so the victim is not only LD, but also Taufik, ZJH, Joko, Xia, and the others.

I agree with Taufik. WC loses it prestige if it is played every year. Once every two years would be perfect. To me, a better arrangement would be making WC the finals for Super Series. I feel today the schedule for Super Series is too tight. It's better to spread it out further, like two years.
Another alternative is
(1) make it year-end final event
(2) only top 8 players/pairs will be qualified (we can call it "Elite 8")
(3) split into 2 groups of 4 (e.g. Group 1: seeds 1 3 5 7; Group 2: seeds 2 4 6 8)
(4) 3 round robins will be played for each player/pair, the top 2 from each group will enter SF.

Another alternative is
(1) make it year-end final event
(2) only top 8 players/pairs will be qualified (we can call it "Elite 8")
(3) split into 2 groups of 4 (e.g. Group 1: seeds 1 3 5 7; Group 2: seeds 2 4 6 8)
(4) 3 round robins will be played for each player/pair, the top 2 from each group will enter SF.

This is more a format for World Masters tournament than for WC.

My've been fantasizing badminton league games with League A, B and C (3 leagues each for MS, MD, WS, WD and XD) - similar to those soccer leagues in say, England, Spain and Italy. I know it's logistically unrealistic but as a software engineer by training, I used to write a computer program to simulate such leagues with real players and let the computer to determine the winners of the League Cups and something called "BWF Cups".