Who will be Men's Doubles Champion?

[tjl_vanguard]

since we have a thread for men singles so why not for doubles as well.....

im throwing my whole savings, everything on kkk/tbh hahahaha :D

[stevenhyx]

either malaysia pair or korea pair .........

[tjl_vanguard]

which means definitely not cy/fhf not defending their crown??

[syusuke ika]

:p :p uhm ..i think malaysia pair lorh ...kkk n tbh ...although they r still new ~~i think..they r impruving frm time to time!!mayb they will be da next "world number 1" !!!soon!!!!

[ixory]

To me there is 4 MD top on my list now either CY/FHF,TG/CW,KKK/TBH and JJS/LYD. For KKK/TBH eventough they had won several tournament, i still wanna see their performance first, either continously improved or begin to flop(really hope this not happening) before WC begin ,if they continuosly improved then i will surely pick them as a winner.I'm sure china and other countries targeting them now.

[DinkAlot]

Tony and Candra of course! :p ...:D :D :D

[JaCk™]

MAS pair of KKK/TBH

[utopia_imminent]

i put the malaysia pair of kkk/tbh to win

1) they are good. if they continue playing this way, they can win.
2) it is in KL, Malaysia. everyone knows malaysian players perform best in Malaysia.

[maIRa]

agree...of course lar kkk n tbh..the botak pair..wonder if sickgirl knows about this forum..hehe:rolleyes:

[virusvoodoo]

i put the malaysia pair of kkk/tbh to win


2) it is in KL, Malaysia. everyone knows malaysian players perform best in Malaysia.


Well that WAS true with Lee Chong Wei until this year when he was defeated by Bao Chunlai in the quarter-finals round. He was the undefeated champions of Malaysia Open for 3 years straight 2004, 2005, 2006. I really did thought that he could make it to the finals and even win it for the fourth year straight, especially with the early exit of Taufik Hidayat and Lin Dan.

However, I do think this pairing of KKK/TBH is gold. They would probably make it to the final. Another pair that would make it to the final would be TG/CW and while they do have a good chance of winning, it really depends on how much Tony & Candra really want this title together as a pair and also their condition.

[ctjcad]

Another pair that would make it to the final would be TG/CW
...at least they can compete(i hope so):p...Because i've also heard that *only* National team players who've collected enough qualifying points are able to compete..Can someone, familiar with the WC Eligibility ruling, confirm us on this??..

[hcyong]

...at least they can compete(i hope so):p...Because i've also heard that *only* National team players who've collected enough qualifying points are able to compete..Can someone, familiar with the WC Eligibility ruling, confirm us on this??..

Depends on the Ina and Usa badminton federation. Every country has a limited number of entries (which I think is a rule we can do without) and CW/TG will take half a spot from each country. So, if Ina has 3 spots, they can send two other pairs (2.5 spots in total). Is Usa has 2 spots, they can send 1 other pair (1.5 spots). In the past, this may be impossible because Ina had many other pairs of great ability. But now, I can only name one other pair in Ina who is in the same league as CW/TG.

However, BWF can also give a wild card to them.

[JaCk™]

Hope to see KKK/TBH vs CW/TG in the final.. i like to see the veteran playing.. experience vs speed in the final..

[phaarix]

As long as nothing drastic happens between now and the WC, I'd say KKK/TBH for sure. I don't think they'll be going anywhere soon. They really have the right attitude and they play so well together.

[JaCk™]

Ya, KKK/TBH have the right attitude and have the right coach to plan the correct strategy for them.

[ctjcad]

Depends on the Ina and Usa badminton federation. Every country has a limited number of entries (which I think is a rule we can do without) and CW/TG will take half a spot from each country. So, if Ina has 3 spots, they can send two other pairs (2.5 spots in total). Is Usa has 2 spots, they can send 1 other pair (1.5 spots). In the past, this may be impossible because Ina had many other pairs of great ability. But now, I can only name one other pair in Ina who is in the same league as CW/TG.

However, BWF can also give a wild card to them.
..ah, it's hcyong, again:);)...............thanks for your input:cool:
Well, in regards to Tony's eligibility, from reading these 2 threads, perhaps we can get a better picture of how the invitation works...
Here's one from the recently concluded U.S. National team trials, if anyone is interested in reading all the posts:
http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=39606 (post #22) and the following page for a picture of the new U.S. National team..:cool:
And here's a thread from last yr's U.S. World Championship's team, if anyone is interested in reading all the posts. :
http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=36027

So, i guess, the format is by invitation from BWF..And worst come to worst, if Tony can't participate due to him not being "officially" on the U.S. National team, perhaps he can be offered an invitation or the USAB can provide somekind of a provision...Although, as a last resort, a wild card spot can be granted to him...:cool: Not sure abt Candra's status/eligibility, though..:confused:

[JaCk™]

I hope Tony can participate with Candra. Nice to see Tony and Candra partnership. They are very friendly and do not show temper. Jens and Martin showed their temper to the umpire during the final against KKK/TBH in Swiss Open right? they looked like threatening the umpire. Candra and Tony never did that. That's why i love them.

[Dreamzz]

winning 3 of the first 4 super series must put KKK/TBH as the favourites for future tournaments they enter. what remains to be seen is how they cope with being the favourites rather than the underdogs, if they don't let the pressure get to them, then it's looking rosy ...

[JaCk™]

They should not feel the pressure like LCW. LCW crumbles under pressure. KKK/TBH must remain firm on ground and humble. Take a match at a time, and not focus on winning everytime. When expectations are high, it is more painful to fall.

[tjl_vanguard]

apparently, i think KKK/TBH is mentally stronger den LCW.. hyped up too much with their winnings....

[Viper2005]

Since Fu/Cai lost twice Koo/Tan, LYB should start thinking of alternatives, send in Lin Dan/Bao Chunlai to play Doubles and win the next SS.:D

Maybe send in Chen Hong/Chen Yu as backup.....:D :D :D

Good reason for Chen Hong to come out of retirement.

Fu/Cai should stay home and spend some time in the training camp...:D

[tjl_vanguard]

LD/BCL???

they'll cause disasters in between them haha

[hcyong]

..ah, it's hcyong, again:);)...............thanks for your input:cool:
Well, in regards to Tony's eligibility, from reading these 2 threads, perhaps we can get a better picture of how the invitation works...
Here's one from the recently concluded U.S. National team trials, if anyone is interested in reading all the posts:
http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=39606 (post #22) and the following page for a picture of the new U.S. National team..:cool:
And here's a thread from last yr's U.S. World Championship's team, if anyone is interested in reading all the posts. :
http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=36027

So, i guess, the format is by invitation from BWF..And worst come to worst, if Tony can't participate due to him not being "officially" on the U.S. National team, perhaps he can be offered an invitation or the USAB can provide somekind of a provision...Although, as a last resort, a wild card spot can be granted to him...:cool: Not sure abt Candra's status/eligibility, though..:confused:

If I am not wrong, TG will be regarded as a USA player.

The eligibility rules are something like (numbers not exact, just using them for example):
4 players/pairs if they are all in the top 8
3 players/pairs if they are all in the top 20
2 players/pairs if they are all in the top 100

Assuming TG/CW are in the top 8, and Ina has 3 other pairs in the top 20, then Ina can choose the 3 fully-fledged Indon pairs, or 2 of them plus TG/CW using up 2.5 spots but that means sacrificing one fully-fledged Indon pair.

Not only must Ina badminton federation be in agreement, but the Usa fed as well. If Usa has 2 other pairs in the top 100, similarly they must drop one of them if they want TG to represent them.

[hcyong]

I will fully support any effort to take out or at least restrict the "country limitation" rule.

1. It is an individual tournament, and the best individuals regardless of nationality should be given the offer to enter. Best example, Chinese players are penalised.
2. Freelance players are becoming more common now. Giving the national badminton authority the absolute power to pick or drop any player is bound to be unfair to those who compete outside the federation. Example: Djarum, KLRC players
3. Pairs are increasingly being formed cross-border, especially in Europe. These pairs are disadvantaged in the current selection process. Example, TG/CW, Shirley/Quay

My proposal:
For each event:
1. The top player/pair from each continent (Asia, Europe, Oceania, Africa and Americas) will be represented.
2. Host country has one wild card, which may or may not be exercised.
3. BWF has one wild card, which may or may not be exercised.
4. Going down the ranking list, each player/pair will be offered participation until the draw is fulfilled.
4b. Obviously, if doubles player A has already confirmed entry, then player A cannot participate with another partner.

Simple. If BWF wants wider participation, then the rules can be tweaked as such:
4. Going down the ranking list, each player/pair will be offered participation until 50* players/pairs have confirmed entry. (* arbitrary number)
5. To top up the number to 64, continuing from the ranking table, only players/pairs which come from countries which have yet to have any entry, will be offered a place. If the draw is still not fulfilled, go back to step 4 and fulfill the draw.

[zqloy]

Since Fu/Cai lost twice Koo/Tan, LYB should start thinking of alternatives, send in Lin Dan/Bao Chunlai to play Doubles and win the next SS.:D

Maybe send in Chen Hong/Chen Yu as backup.....:D :D :D

Good reason for Chen Hong to come out of retirement.

Fu/Cai should stay home and spend some time in the training camp...:D
Lol.... Lin/Bao in MD? They will step on each other's feet :D:D:D

[tjl_vanguard]

Lol.... Lin/Bao in MD? They will step on each other's feet :D:D:D
hahaha.. that's the disaster that i meant..!!!! :D

[ctjcad]

Not only must Ina badminton federation be in agreement, but the Usa fed as well. If Usa has 2 other pairs in the top 100, similarly they must drop one of them if they want TG to represent them.
..we shall wait and see what'll happen...thx again for your input;)

[tjl_vanguard]

If I am not wrong, TG will be regarded as a USA player.

The eligibility rules are something like (numbers not exact, just using them for example):
4 players/pairs if they are all in the top 8
3 players/pairs if they are all in the top 20
2 players/pairs if they are all in the top 100

Assuming TG/CW are in the top 8, and Ina has 3 other pairs in the top 20, then Ina can choose the 3 fully-fledged Indon pairs, or 2 of them plus TG/CW using up 2.5 spots but that means sacrificing one fully-fledged Indon pair.

Not only must Ina badminton federation be in agreement, but the Usa fed as well. If Usa has 2 other pairs in the top 100, similarly they must drop one of them if they want TG to represent them.
i thought top 16??? :D:confused:

[hcyong]

i thought top 16??? :D:confused:

The eligibility rules are something like (numbers not exact, just using them for example):
4 players/pairs if they are all in the top 8
3 players/pairs if they are all in the top 20
2 players/pairs if they are all in the top 100

[tjl_vanguard]

The eligibility rules are something like (numbers not exact, just using them for example):
4 players/pairs if they are all in the top 8
3 players/pairs if they are all in the top 20
2 players/pairs if they are all in the top 100
ah ic.... but i think should be top16... :D :D :D :D :D

[JaCk™]

Since Fu/Cai lost twice Koo/Tan, LYB should start thinking of alternatives, send in Lin Dan/Bao Chunlai to play Doubles and win the next SS.:D

Maybe send in Chen Hong/Chen Yu as backup.....:D :D :D

Good reason for Chen Hong to come out of retirement.

Fu/Cai should stay home and spend some time in the training camp...:D

whose smash is more powerful? Lin Dan or Fu Hai Feng?

[Dreamzz]

Since Fu/Cai lost twice Koo/Tan, LYB should start thinking of alternatives, send in Lin Dan/Bao Chunlai to play Doubles and win the next SS.:D

Maybe send in Chen Hong/Chen Yu as backup.....:D :D :D

Good reason for Chen Hong to come out of retirement.

Fu/Cai should stay home and spend some time in the training camp...:D

you know what, since you mentioned LD/BCL, i've been wondering when i last saw a pair of doubles players who are both left-handed anywhere near the top of the rankings.

[tjl_vanguard]

you know what, since you mentioned LD/BCL, i've been wondering when i last saw a pair of doubles players who are both left-handed anywhere near the top of the rankings.
erm.. long time ago?? haha

[jerby]

Jens Eriksen en Martin Lungaard Hansen always have a shot, don't they? They're always wiped aside here on BC:confused: (:p)

though, with their recent performance, KTT/TBH have a good chance...very good...

[sihar]

Ina will have new pair in Men Double: Luluk/Markis and Alvent/Hendra Setiawan...
what do you think about this new pair?
i prefer Alvent/Hendra Setiawan....They will be a good pair...
actually...the weakness is Luluk.....^_^......

[JaCk™]

Ina will have new pair in Men Double: Luluk/Markis and Alvent/Hendra Setiawan...
what do you think about this new pair?
i prefer Alvent/Hendra Setiawan....They will be a good pair...
actually...the weakness is Luluk.....^_^......
hey brother, agree with u man.. Luluk is the weakness.. Alvent is very consistent and he keeps encouraging Luluk on court.. Luluk keeps making mistakes. :)

[tjl_vanguard]

Ina will have new pair in Men Double: Luluk/Markis and Alvent/Hendra Setiawan...
what do you think about this new pair?
i prefer Alvent/Hendra Setiawan....They will be a good pair...
actually...the weakness is Luluk.....^_^......
yea... luluk is really always making all da mistakes... i still prefer mk/hs together now cuz they are doin quite well so far... :D

[Dimduo_81]

If KKK/TBH is consistently improving, they may emerge winners. I guess, a final game of KKK/TBH v CY/ FHF or TG/CW would be nice to watch. Furthemore, CY/FHF v TG/CW would be equally exciting. Lets not forget other Malaysian pairs, wish to see them prove themselves as well!

[abedeng]

Really hope that Tony/Candra will be able to participate, even without PBSI and US badminton association's agreement ....

I agree Alvent should separate from Luluk, but better if Alvent pairs with someone else and leave Kido/Setiawan alone. This young pair still has scope for improvement. Any changes now is too late for WC, but probably be better for Olympics.

[hcyong]

I think Hendra/Alven would be nice.

[JaCk™]

I prefer Markis to pair up with Alven..

[tjl_vanguard]

or Sigit/Alven????????? nice one i think....

[angelatby]

But i still look upwards for CY/FHF as a winning pair, as China Players demonstrate a sure-footed ability in games. They are not liable to stumble or fall after losing. But of course, we will have players in heart whom we wanted them to win :)

[tjl_vanguard]

i know who u're referring to angie.. hahaha :D i think i have da same as urs.. dont we??? :)

[zqloy]

hey brother, agree with u man.. Luluk is the weakness.. Alvent is very consistent and he keeps encouraging Luluk on court.. Luluk keeps making mistakes. :)
Actually, i think both of them r usually take turns in making errors, kinda remember me of our own CTF/LWW :p
They do not really complement each other.

[angelatby]

Actually, i think both of them r usually take turns in making errors, kinda remember me of our own CTF/LWW :p
They do not really complement each other.

I dont think CTF/LWW not complementing each other. They indeed has experienced changes on partners many times, esp the serious case where LWW injured in 2004, CTF team-up with Choon Eng. However, the result was not convincing, that time YKH thought of teaming up CTF with Zhao Rong, if any of u all remember, but the standard was too much different. After, LWW recovered from his knee injury (which is about half a year later), they team up again, and has glorified the name of the Country for many times. However, i pressume that LWW still have some signs of his knee damaged. Demonstration being done with many junior players, but they are still together until now. Probably, they need to rectify each other's problem, for many opponents have already understand their game.

[JaCk™]

I dont think CTF/LWW not complementing each other. They indeed has experienced changes on partners many times, esp the serious case where LWW injured in 2004, CTF team-up with Choon Eng. However, the result was not convincing, that time YKH thought of teaming up CTF with Zhao Rong, if any of u all remember, but the standard was too much different. After, LWW recovered from his knee injury (which is about half a year later), they team up again, and has glorified the name of the Country for many times. However, i pressume that LWW still have some signs of his knee damaged. Demonstration being done with many junior players, but they are still together until now. Probably, they need to rectify each other's problem, for many opponents have already understand their game.

CTF/LWW are slower now. this is also due to age factor. i'm surprised you know about zhao rong!! zhao rong is still young at that time and he gained promotion as a state player. but now, does not heard of him anymore. he must remember his 1st coach ya. haha..:)

[tjl_vanguard]

ctf/lww is still a pair to be reckoned with., they still can deliver at times of need.. e.g. tc semi mas vs den.... both doubles won... and ppl tot that mas will definitely lose in the doubles matches...

[JaCk™]

in the end, in the TC, it's our men's singles who lost all the three matches.

[angelatby]

in the end, in the TC, it's our men's singles who lost all the three matches.

Hahaha, exactly, really, but single player is harder to be than a double :cool:

[tjl_vanguard]

but we all thought that our singles are stronger compared to out doubles at that time.. even ykH said that he is predicting a 3-2 win over DEN with our singles winning all 3 points...

[angelatby]

but we all thought that our singles are stronger compared to out doubles at that time.. even ykH said that he is predicting a 3-2 win over DEN with our singles winning all 3 points...

They really daring to make such bet, same as the time during Doha "confirmed" can deliver at least 1 GOLD, my goodness, luckily they did, if not, how to answer BAM !!:eek: :eek: :eek:

[tjl_vanguard]

They really daring to make such bet, same as the time during Doha "confirmed" can deliver at least 1 GOLD, my goodness, luckily they did, if not, how to answer BAM !!:eek: :eek: :eek:
not BAM but NSC!!! NSC have been putting the fire on BAM's a*s since their failure in Madrid which saw the NSC spending half a million for only ONE bronze!

[JaCk™]

NSC has the money to spend. at least we get a bronze. the worst is malaysia's football. i rather spend the money badminton's eleven single players and eleven double players rather than eleven football players.

[tjl_vanguard]

NSC has the money to spend. at least we get a bronze. the worst is malaysia's football. i rather spend the money badminton's eleven single players and eleven double players rather than eleven football players.
good point there though!!! haahahaha they haven won any tourney for decades i think.... :D

[JaCk™]

now the government will be sending our football team to england for training. we bought a training base there. cost so much money. how nice if it is our badminton players training at the new venue in england. can get used to the cold weather.

[angelatby]

now the government will be sending our football team to england for training. we bought a training base there. cost so much money. how nice if it is our badminton players training at the new venue in england. can get used to the cold weather.

Hahaha, but football is much welcoming compare to Badminton, although Malaysia is not so famous in Football, but the SMALLEST tournament (country against country) is about few thousands people compared to Badminton which is only the "peanut" of few hundreds people. I remember watching Malaysia playing against Singapore, although lost but is quite entertaining !! :D Badminton, bigger competition might achieve few thousands. Even if want more, the stadium cannot cater for that much !!

[tjl_vanguard]

even singapore football team is better than MAS... malu lar!!!!!

and yea they bought that training base in brickendonbury (rite??) for hundreds of millions...

correct me if im wrong.... :D

[Felicia_txh]

99.99% is KKK n TBH...;) CHEER FOR THEM!!:D ;) :D
Hope LCW wil 'recover' soon...

[Felicia_txh]

even singapore football team is better than MAS... malu lar!!!!!

and yea they bought that training base in brickendonbury (rite??) for hundreds of millions...

correct me if im wrong.... :D
Anyway we should support M'sia team..Maybe after 10 years,M'sia football is the strongest team in the world...;) cos this world is full of surprise n miracle...

[tjl_vanguard]

Anyway we should support M'sia team..Maybe after 10 years,M'sia football is the strongest team in the world...;) cos this world is full of surprise n miracle...
waaahahhhaa... first time i listen or actually read something positive for our football team... :)

[shirley]

in my opinion , the world championships 2007 men double's champion will be the pair of koo kien keat n tan boon heong la......

n i hope to see korea pairs JJS/LYD in the final also with KKK/TBH .....

then , sure fantastic this final match against this two pairs ......

malaysia ,boleh !

koo kien keat n tan boon heong , boleh !

rexy , boleh !;) :D

[tjl_vanguard]

i just hope its MAS vs Kor / TB-CW / CY-FHF

[Darien]

Fu HaiFeng/Cai Yun!

[valen]

since we have a thread for men singles so why not for doubles as well.....

im throwing my whole savings, everything on kkk/tbh hahahaha :D

:D By the way, revisiting this first post, are you still putting your whole savings on them?

[samhui1]

aiii! Looks like everybody is looking good into the Malaysian Pair (KKK / TBH), they are good and add on with the home ground advantage, i Think they can make it.

CY / F HF - If they can goes to the Final, I will be very happy already, coz recently their standards drops alot, what goes wrong ? Is their strategies not effective, or simply the opponent is too strong? CHINA now really lack of Good Mens Doubles. LYB please do something.

[Darien]

aiii! Looks like everybody is looking good into the Malaysian Pair (KKK / TBH), they are good and add on with the home ground advantage, i Think they can make it.

CY / F HF - If they can goes to the Final, I will be very happy already, coz recently their standards drops alot, what goes wrong ? Is their strategies not effective, or simply the opponent is too strong? CHINA now really lack of Good Mens Doubles. LYB please do something.

no worries, CY/FHF will bounce back. Sin or Indo Super Series they will secure them. mark my words. :)
i guess their only jinx opponent is KKK/TBH. but i strongly doubtful that KKK/TBH will be great again after losing the ABC tournament. besides, i believe CY/FHF already have the tactics and strategies to beat KKK/TBH. for one, they gonna attack their mental strength as their mental strength is so fragile.

[tjl_vanguard]

:D By the way, revisiting this first post, are you still putting your whole savings on them?
erm... i think im cutting back by half.... :D:D:D:D:D:D:D

[tjl_vanguard]

no worries, CY/FHF will bounce back. Sin or Indo Super Series they will secure them. mark my words. :)
i guess their only jinx opponent is KKK/TBH. but i strongly doubtful that KKK/TBH will be great again after losing the ABC tournament. besides, i believe CY/FHF already have the tactics and strategies to beat KKK/TBH. for one, they gonna attack their mental strength as their mental strength is so fragile.
y worry bout Cy/FHF? they are good! hahaha perhaps their mental strength is much better than KKK/TBH.. i support them to win but not in the case when they are up against a Msian pair hahaha sorry to say that... :D

[Firedrive]

it depends.. then

[Darien]

y worry bout Cy/FHF? they are good! hahaha perhaps their mental strength is much better than KKK/TBH.. i support them to win but not in the case when they are up against a Msian pair hahaha sorry to say that... :D

haha...i fancy a Msian pair to win also......but i just can sense that the Chinese pair will win if they were to meet each other again. :p

[tjl_vanguard]

haha...i fancy a Msian pair to win also......but i just can sense that the Chinese pair will win if they were to meet each other again. :p
like Firedrive says, it depends.... :D

[Darien]

like Firedrive says, it depends.... :D

well, vanguard, we'll see again then.....hahahaha... :D

[tjl_vanguard]

but as usual, i wan mas pair to win cuz im from mas.... :D

[samhui1]

I agree with u, Darien. CY/FHF will definately bounce back, shouldnt have any worries. The matches will be more exciting if CY/FHF, KKK/TBH, TG/CW and LYD/JJS entering to Semi Final. It will be less exciting if they meet up in b4 the semi final.:cool:

[Darien]

I agree with u, Darien. CY/FHF will definately bounce back, shouldnt have any worries. The matches will be more exciting if CY/FHF, KKK/TBH, TG/CW and LYD/JJS entering to Semi Final. It will be less exciting if they meet up in b4 the semi final.:cool:

yes, but the current drawing methods are no where near exciting. top players can meet each other even in the very first round.
i will go for CY/FHF to win the Sin Open and possible Indo Open too as KKK/TBH might not be playing in Indo Open; due to punishment by Rexy.

[tjl_vanguard]

yes, but the current drawing methods are no where near exciting. top players can meet each other even in the very first round.
i will go for CY/FHF to win the Sin Open and possible Indo Open too as KKK/TBH might not be playing in Indo Open; due to punishment by Rexy.
haha but they are all seeded in top 4 then we will see them square off in semi... :D

[wakloo69]

Definately KKK/TBH.........MALAYSIA BOLEH!

[tjl_vanguard]

dun give them too much pressure.. :D

[zqloy]

no worries, CY/FHF will bounce back. Sin or Indo Super Series they will secure them. mark my words. :)
i guess their only jinx opponent is KKK/TBH. but i strongly doubtful that KKK/TBH will be great again after losing the ABC tournament. besides, i believe CY/FHF already have the tactics and strategies to beat KKK/TBH. for one, they gonna attack their mental strength as their mental strength is so fragile.
Whose mental strength u r referring to? My opinion is the chinese pair's mental is much weaker than KKK/TBH, esp FHF tend to become very nervous when the opponents r leading and will commit more errors afterwards. And in terms of tactics, Rexy is the master of tactics. If he is with KKK/TBH, the team can execute different strategies to counter different strategies against them, and i doubt the chinese MD coaches is better than Rexy on that.

[JaCk™]

the race for men's double champion is very open. Indon, Malaysia and China has a good chance to win. South Korea might lost their momentum due to their coach departure.

[tjl_vanguard]

sorry to say but i think the fight is now only between CY/FHF, KKK/TBH, CTF/LWW, MF/MZ, CCHM/HTH (outside chance) and perhaps the Koreans if lucky and not forgetting!!! MARKIS/HENDRA!!! they are good also.. :D

[Ramakristan]

I think the fight for the title will CY/FHF, KKK/TBH, CTF/LWW and CW/TG, the 4 pairs.

[jasonmarc]

I will only ready to predict after China Open.....so....kia-su...Hehehehehe

[Felicia_txh]

Now,Zakry/Fairuz is possible to be the champion!Everyone has the chance to become the champion!!Maybe the champion is out of our prediction,like Boonsak win the SS MS title!!:)

If FHF/CY n KKK/TBH play without their coach beside them,do u think they still can play well and produce good result??:rolleyes:

[tjl_vanguard]

Now,Zakry/Fairuz is possible to be the champion!Everyone has the chance to become the champion!!Maybe the champion is out of our prediction,like Boonsak win the SS MS title!!:)
i still wouldnt put Zakry/Fairuz on my possible champion list!!! :D they arent so stable yet.. although they have shown their strenth in Ina Open, they are still just not there yet... its quite obvious that CY/FHF is much stronger than them in Ina Open finals...

[Ramakristan]

Yes, I can't agree more, Zakri/Fairuz need more exposure and experience playing more in international, it will needs maybe a year or so to mould them to be future champion.

[tjl_vanguard]

but they can be added into OG '08 danger list!!!! :D but not WC '07... still to new and not enough exposure... the higher they climb, the harder they will fall later... :D give them more time and exposure as it is more essential now for their future and the future of MAS badminton... :D

[robin7]

Expecting a KKK/TBH - CY/FHF final.
A win for KKK/TBH ahead of Olympic would be nice.
Since we have 4 Malaysian pairs in the draw, the remaining pairs can act as giant-killers (just like what they did in IO) and 'send' KKK/TBH' into the finals.

[Ramakristan]

Now Astro at the moment showing the replay of the Indonesia Open final on the telly. Anyone miss it, please switch it on at Channel 80.

[Tjun Tjun]

Now Astro at the moment showing the replay of the Indonesia Open final on the telly. Anyone miss it, please switch it on at Channel 80.

Thank you. It is now 6.30pm Malaysian time, just in time to watch LCW v Bao CL match.

[Ramakristan]

Tjun Tjun, you are welcome, always helpful to help another badminton freaks like us, I can never get fed up watching it again.
In fact, I have already recorded into my DVD recorder during the live telecast.
If anyone interested to have copies, please do let me know, I am willing to help and send out copies for a min charge, very min charge.
Cheers
chris

[Ramakristan]

For your information, Lee Chong Wei just beat Bao Chunlai in straight sets in the Indonesia Open, a replay now showing in Astro Super Sports Channel 80, next will be Women Single, Wang Chen of HKG against Zhu Lin of China, another sour face from LiYongbo, hhahahah !!
Malaysia Bolih !!!

[koo_fan]

Quiet hard to spell ur name Tjl...I do agree KKK-TBH will do the best in their own country.Support them without any doubt.Keep it on:):):):):)

[baboo1892]

I Just Want To Know Where And When Can Buying A Ticket Because I Don't Want To Miss It!!!!I WANT MEET WITH CAI YUN & FU HAI FENG AND GET THEY SIGNATURE ON MY RAQUACTS..

[tjl_vanguard]

Quiet hard to spell ur name Tjl...I do agree KKK-TBH will do the best in their own country.Support them without any doubt.Keep it on:):):):):)
thats b'cuz tjl is the first letter of my name.... :D

kkk/tbh - 40%

cy/fhf - 20%

ctf/lww - 10%

tg/cw - 10%

others - 10%

hahaha :D

[robin7]

By LIM TEIK HUAT


PETALING JAYA: Hotshots Koo Kien Keat-Tan Boon Heong have taken over the men's doubles lead in the Super Series standings.

Kien Keat-Boon Heong, who were recently elevated to the number two spot in the world, have accumulated 42,660 points after six legs of the inaugural 12-leg Super Series.

The Malaysians emerged triumphant in three out of the six legs, winning the Malaysian Open, All-England and Swiss Open. Two semi-final finishes in the Korean Open and Indonesian Open were enough for them to overtake the Indonesian-American combination of Candra Wijaya and Tony Gunawan, the former world champions, as leaders.

Candra-Tony dropped to second with 39,900 points while world champions Fu Haifeng-Cai Yun, the Indonesian Open winners, are third with a 39,880 total. .....

http://www.thestar.com.my/sports/story.asp?file=/2007/5/23/sports/17810354&sec=sports

Koo-Tan yoyoyo

:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

[tjl_vanguard]

chill down gals!! and maybe boys along!! haha its just prediction... we wouldnt who will win till the days comes.... just be cool aite!!! :D

[koo_fan]

C'mon guys, give this guy/gal a break. After all, we are supposed to predict the winner, not 'who-do-you-support'. And based on current form, Cai/Fu are indeed the hot favourites!
but,honey having a MALAYSIAN who show his/her support to foreign with his/her large fonts and bold writes is very-very-very dissapointing.I am sad.it's just that.

[Felicia_txh]

but,honey having a MALAYSIAN who show his/her support to foreign with his/her large fonts and bold writes is very-very-very dissapointing.I am sad.it's just that.
Cool down..at tis moment,Cai n Fu are the strongest in every aspect like smash,defense etc!!they are a tough opponent to everyone!!even Koo n Tan hav to fight hard to defeat them!!Everyone has his o her own idol,choice n even the champion for MD in WC!!U oso hav ur own choice!!


Originally Posted by *izzyC* http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?p=582354#post582354)
C'mon guys, give this guy/gal a break. After all, we are supposed to predict the winner, not 'who-do-you-support'. And based on current form, Cai/Fu are indeed the hot favourites!

( no offense )

There are still a few months b4 WC,Koo n Tan should do their homework like wat Cai n Fu did after they lost!!Koo should find back his confidence!!:o
GAMBATE Koo n Tan

[Car_fan]

I think CY/FHF can win the WC, recently, after so many early casualties in the super series, both of them bounced back and won back to back titles. SO and IO.

But their problem is that they seem to "start late" in matches. They always end up winning the 2nd and 3rd set.

And they don't dominate the game like KKK/TBH do.

But their still the world number 1. :) With FHF's world record fastest smash and CY's great net play, they can do it. :)

[emperor]

I think CY/FHF can win the WC, recently, after so many early casualties in the super series, both of them bounced back and won back to back titles. SO and IO.

But their problem is that they seem to "start late" in matches. They always end up winning the 2nd and 3rd set.

And they don't dominate the game like KKK/TBH do.

But their still the world number 1. :) With FHF's world record fastest smash and CY's great net play, they can do it. :)yes totally agreed with u. FHF still need to train alot on overall skill beside smashing. It seems like he is only having 1 weapon that is smashing, if the opponent do not lift the shutter and he got no chance to smash, then he got no other weapon to attack, whereas CY is good in overall skills. To me they are still the BEST !!!

[koo_fan]

once kkk-tbh have comes with their first magic,no doubles can beat them.not even the top.i still remember their two winning over fhf-cy before this .They just have to find it again.im sure they can before the up-coming WC in KL.im really sure.u have my believes guys!!

[tjl_vanguard]

i think kkk/tbh can bounce back in time for the WC... still 3 more months to figure out their probs.. :D

[samhui1]

KKK/TBH will succeed soon, they are young and having a good coach, but not now, they still have alot to learn and change (especially KKK's attitude).

[tjl_vanguard]

they still have a lot to learn and young.. so they have the world on their side... :D

[syusuke ika]

agree...of course lar kkk n tbh..the botak pair..wonder if sickgirl knows about this forum..hehe:rolleyes:

huuu ??is tbh balds now???i thought onlyy kkk ... do u have his pic wif bald head ..hoho...wanna see ....
:):):):):):D:D:D

[syusuke ika]

thats b'cuz tjl is the first letter of my name.... :D

kkk/tbh - 40%

cy/fhf - 20%

ctf/lww - 10%

tg/cw - 10%

others - 10%

hahaha :D



hehe ..i'm agreee

[ctjcad]

Assuming TG/CW are in the top 8, and Ina has 3 other pairs in the top 20, then Ina can choose the 3 fully-fledged Indon pairs, or 2 of them plus TG/CW using up 2.5 spots but that means sacrificing one fully-fledged Indon pair.

Not only must Ina badminton federation be in agreement, but the Usa fed as well. If Usa has 2 other pairs in the top 100, similarly they must drop one of them if they want TG to represent them.
..it's a go for Tony & Candra (http://www.internationalbadminton.org/newscontent.asp?pageid={B13F9CDE-01B5-49D5-9422-3FD0DAD80E8B}), as the last "INA pair", barring any last minute changes by June 25, 2007...(cross-fingers):p:):cool:

[Felicia_txh]

they still have a lot to learn and young.. so they have the world on their side... :D
young is an advantage to them!!Don become another Mr.yoyo..:p
Good luck!!;)

[Noridayu]

It will be one of the Malaysian player especially KKK and TBH. From, Ayu

[Ramakristan]

Doubt our Malaysian KKK & TBH can be the World Champion, unless they play with a good strategy bt if KKK play like he owns the court, habis lah !!!

[freelast]

young is an advantage to them!!Don become another Mr.yoyo..:p
Good luck!!;)

Mr.yoyo? Who is Mr.yoyo?

I think the toy term yo-yo is usually credited as having been invented in the Philippines centuries ago. The name yo-yo is sometimes said to have derived from Philippines language, translating as "come-come". However, another theory said that yo-yo from another language, perhaps from Chinese, which has the identical double word meaning "again and again."

So Mr. yo-yo means Mr Come Again and Again. Which is good, although not perfect. Yo-yo is always coming back again and again. We hope KKK/TBH become Mr Yo-yo and will be back again.

[samuel882]

Judge from the recent perfomance... There will be only 4 pair with consistence form are likely to be among the winners :
1) FHY/CY
2) TG /CW
3) JJS/LYD
4) KKK/TBH

[robin7]

Judging from the last 3 tournaments (SO, IO & SC), I would say CY/FHF.

Anyway, KKK/TBH still have the chance if they can recover in 2 month's time.

[ehzyx]

whose smash is more powerful? Lin Dan or Fu Hai Feng?
fu haifeng of course! he has the world's fastest recorded smash! i think it is something like 322km/h, even faster than the tennis smash!

[ehzyx]

i think it's gonna be cy/fhf. they are in their top condition now after sweeping their arch enemy, kkk/tbh. nobody's gonna stop them from defending thier champion and world no one title :D:D:D:D:D:D

[the_chosen_one]

im rooting for my favorite pair...
cai yun and fu haifeng....woohooo!!

[Felicia_txh]

Mr.yoyo? Who is Mr.yoyo?

I think the toy term yo-yo is usually credited as having been invented in the Philippines centuries ago. The name yo-yo is sometimes said to have derived from Philippines language, translating as "come-come". However, another theory said that yo-yo from another language, perhaps from Chinese, which has the identical double word meaning "again and again."

So Mr. yo-yo means Mr Come Again and Again. Which is good, although not perfect. Yo-yo is always coming back again and again. We hope KKK/TBH become Mr Yo-yo and will be back again.
Perhaps u r rite!!;)I believe they will be back!Hope they will not let us feel dissapointed again in Thai Open!!:oWC is around the corner!!:eek:

[ehzyx]

Perhaps u r rite!!;)I believe they will be back!Hope they will not let us feel dissapointed again in Thai Open!!:oWC is around the corner!!:eek:
oh i'm afraid kkk and tbh are not able to attend the thai open as they are so not in the condition. rexy advised them to stay home and train for the upcoming world championship so there really isn't any point to go to the thai open as they are so low spirit. but tbh promised to bounce back! :D:D:D:D:D:D:D

[tjl_vanguard]

from the past few tourneys, cy/fhf will definitely be the best bet... hopefully kkk/tbh can give some fight.. as well as ctf/lww.. i personally would love to see ctf/lww to win than kkk/tbh winning haha... :D

[tjl_vanguard]

oh i'm afraid kkk and tbh are not able to attend the thai open as they are so not in the condition. rexy advised them to stay home and train for the upcoming world championship so there really isn't any point to go to the thai open as they are so low spirit. but tbh promised to bounce back! :D:D:D:D:D:D:D
the probs obviouly is boon heong... i dun understand what made him played so much below his true standard.... he seems perfectly fine before this and suddenly out of the blue his form took a dip and it happen when kkk's form is getting back on track... ????:confused::confused::confused::confused:

[Felicia_txh]

oh i'm afraid kkk and tbh are not able to attend the thai open as they are so not in the condition. rexy advised them to stay home and train for the upcoming world championship so there really isn't any point to go to the thai open as they are so low spirit. but tbh promised to bounce back! :D:D:D:D:D:D:D
Oic..ok!!i believe he can bounce back but when??:confused::confused::rolleyes:every badminton fans hope he can become a spirited TBH again!!haih...wat makes him so stress til he lost his spirit??:confused::rolleyes::rolleyes:

[koo_fan]

im rooting for my favorite pair...
cai yun and fu haifeng....woohooo!!
My kkk-Tbh will beat them.just see and wait.

[samuel882]

I wish KKK/TBH wont able to win this WC07 coz if they do.. every body of MAS will expect them to win OG 08 at Beijing too.. This will add on more and more pressure to them.

For MAS; Who never ever win an OG Gold medals; the top priority for them is focus KKK/TBH whom is the best chance for a GOLD in OG.
Furthermore WC will be held on annually; while OP once in 4 years.

KKK/TBH still got a shoot in title for WC evy year since now until they are retired :)

[OneToughBirdie]

I wish KKK/TBH wont able to win this WC07 coz if they do.. every body of MAS will expect them to win OG 08 at Beijing too.. This will add on more and more pressure to them.

For MAS; Who never ever win an OG Gold medals; the top priority for them is focus KKK/TBH whom is the best chance for a GOLD in OG.
Furthermore WC will be held on annually; while OP once in 4 years.

KKK/TBH still got a shoot in title for WC evy year since now until they are retired :)
I agree with you that fans do not heap too much pressure and expectation on KKK/TBH and LCW that they win WC for sure...let them play relaxed and focus, not tense and pressured...as proven in WC06 that LCW failed. KKK/TBH when first paired up, nobody expect them to do so well, now with more attention paid to them from their rivals, added pressure and high expectation, they are declining.
But I do not agree with you that they do not win WC07...I hope they do cos you never know if they could do it next time, and WC07 being in KL, too good an opportunity to pass up. So go for it but fans, please refrain from your high expectations...cool of!!! Hahaha!!;)

[koo_fan]

I agree with you that fans do not heap too much pressure and expectation on KKK/TBH and LCW that they win WC for sure...let them play relaxed and focus, not tense and pressured...as proven in WC06 that LCW failed. KKK/TBH when first paired up, nobody expect them to do so well, now with more attention paid to them from their rivals, added pressure and high expectation, they are declining.
But I do not agree with you that they do not win WC07...I hope they do cos you never know if they could do it next time, and WC07 being in KL, too good an opportunity to pass up. So go for it but fans, please refrain from your high expectations...cool of!!! Hahaha!!;)
Im really sure KKK-TBH understand this.The high expectation for the stars like is not extraordinary.It happens everywhere.I mean everywhere.In entertainment and sports.What they need is a continous support from us. And thats what im trying to do.

[Pemuda]

I agree with you that fans do not heap too much pressure and expectation on KKK/TBH and LCW that they win WC for sure...let them play relaxed and focus, not tense and pressured...as proven in WC06 that LCW failed. KKK/TBH when first paired up, nobody expect them to do so well, now with more attention paid to them from their rivals, added pressure and high expectation, they are declining.
But I do not agree with you that they do not win WC07...I hope they do cos you never know if they could do it next time, and WC07 being in KL, too good an opportunity to pass up. So go for it but fans, please refrain from your high expectations...cool of!!! Hahaha!!;)

Pressure is everywhere and if one is a true champion (not a flash in the pan), he/she will be able to deal with pressure and still deliver the goods. Look at Raphael Nadal for example, he won the French Open 3 times in a row. Do you not think he got pressure?

Time is actually a good indicator. And time will tell whether KKK/TBH are really true champions or not. The WC in KL will be a good indication.

[samhui1]

the probs obviouly is boon heong... i dun understand what made him played so much below his true standard.... he seems perfectly fine before this and suddenly out of the blue his form took a dip and it happen when kkk's form is getting back on track... ????:confused::confused::confused::confused:1 1

[samhui1]

the probs obviouly is boon heong... i dun understand what made him played so much below his true standard.... he seems perfectly fine before this and suddenly out of the blue his form took a dip and it happen when kkk's form is getting back on track... ????:confused::confused::confused::confused:This is because he (BH) felt demotivated due to ....when he make mistakes the coach "F", he still can take it, but when he is "F" by his partner (KK) he cannot take it. KKK is previous Cheah Soon Kit, and TBH is previous Soo Bing Kiang. :D

[tjl_vanguard]

they are still young so i dun bother.. maybe their peak is yet to reach haha :D

[william-cuong]

md champion: Fu/Cai

[BadFrank]

MD Champions : Tony Gunawan and Candra Wijaya :D

[staples]

Fu & Cai will win it! They're in a different league when they're playing well. But China better start producing some other good pairs for MD too.

[tjl_vanguard]

Fu & Cai will win it! They're in a different league when they're playing well. But China better start producing some other good pairs for MD too.
haha.... :D you said it urself... :D

[Persson]

The champions will be Jens Eriksen and Martin Lundgaard !

[nauyuchi]

i am still going for KKK/TBH
go guys!!

[Hitman71]

CTF & LWW ... :D:D

hahaha seriously, CY/FHF seems the safe bet.

[X Ball]

Home ground : therefore KKK-TBH. They are giving all they have in training. Reports are they are very sharp, getting back to top form.

On the health side, I am pretty sure they are taking ginseng, birds' nest, ma's turtle soup, and vitamins. Nothing can rob them this upcoming title. And they promise no prisoners --- they will slaughter all opposition. Now that is SCARY !

[samuel882]

Again.. TRAINING.. TRAINING.... cant remember how many times did malaysia press mentioned about MAS MD players keeps the training volume....
As we all can see.. How they failed to delivered.. even a runners-up in the podium finished on the 2 recently concludes opens....
When KKK/TBH compete in SC07... All the rest of MAS pairs stay homes to train with REXY & many seems quite confidence they will produce results at TO / CO.. But looks... WAt achievement they have gots? NOTHING !
Press also always mentioned MAS MD looks sharp & on the go for results...
Feng Yun Compete more tournaments than any other MAS pairs... but who can challenge them ? KKK/TBH? Not even close..

[xXazn_romeoXx]

Fu & Cai will win it! They're in a different league when they're playing well. But China better start producing some other good pairs for MD too.


i agree...fu/cai will likely repeat...but after them, china has absolutely no other chance in the MDs...it seems as they just produce a likely champion in every category and leave it at that...but after fu/cai, who do they have? guo/xie? zhang jun and zheng bo?, he/shen?, all are not good enough to win a championship =\...

[samuel882]

i agree...fu/cai will likely repeat...but after them, china has absolutely no other chance in the MDs...it seems as they just produce a likely champion in every category and leave it at that...but after fu/cai, who do they have? guo/xie? zhang jun and zheng bo?, he/shen?, all are not good enough to win a championship =\...
CHN certainly knows Quality does matter most compare to Quantity.. Looks at how many pairs emerge frm MAS team ... ONLY KKK/TBH have produce acceptable results.. The rest of them... its a shameful..

[xXazn_romeoXx]

CHN certainly knows Quality does matter most compare to Quantity.. Looks at how many pairs emerge frm MAS team ... ONLY KKK/TBH have produce acceptable results.. The rest of them... its a shameful..

not really...they've all had their time in some sort of okay result...MAS team has quantity but does have plenty of quality results from each or most of them...i wouldn't say shameful...look below as i have listed each MAS MD team results...

MAS SS = 2/4 for good results, didn't count 1 MAS elim the other

ONG/TAN [Q]; quarter finals (Beat Fu/Cai),
KOO/TAN [Q]; Winner (obviously),
CHAN/HOON; 1st round (but elim by KOO/TAN),
CHOONG/LEE [3/4]; 1st round (only bad result),
MOHD TAZARI/LIN [5/8]; 2nd round (average result)

KOR SS = 2/3 for good results didn't count 2 MAS elim other and other elim by 2nd seed...

CHAN/HOON; 1st round (bad result)
KOO/TAN [Q]; Winner (obviously 2 in a row),
CHEW/HONG [Q]; 1st round (as qualifiers, it's expected, which makes Koo/Tan unexpected ;))
CHOONG/LEE [3/4]; quarter finals (elim by KOO/TAN)
TAN/ONG [Q]; 2nd round (as qualifiers and elim by 2nd seed Eriksen/Hansen)
GAN/ABDUL LATIF; 1st round (elim by TAN/ONG)

AE SS = 2/3, didn't count 2 MAS that got elim by 1st and 2nd seeds

TAN/ONG [Q]; 2nd round (elim by 1st seeded Fu/Cai)
MOHD TAZARI/LIN; 2nd round (bad result)
KOO/TAN [5/8]; winner (obviously 3rd in a row)
CHOONG/LEE [5/8]; quarter finals (elim by 2nd seeds Eriksen/Hansen)
ABDUL LATIF/GAN; 2nd round (elim by 2nd seeds Eriksen/Hansen)

SWISS SS = 2/5, only one that CTF/LWW had bad result

KOO/TAN [5/8]; winner (4th in a row)
ABDUL LATIF/GAN; 1st round (bad result)
TAN/ONG; 1st round (bad result)
CHOONG/LEE [3/4]; 1st round (REALLY bad result)
CHAN/HOON; quarter finals (elim by 2nd seed Eriksen/Hansen)

SP SS = 2/4, didn't count 2 MAS elim other, and 1 MAS elim by 1st seed

TAN/ONG; 2nd round (elim by 1st seed Fu/Cai)
GAN/LIN; 1st round (bad result)
ADBUL LATIF/MOHD TAZARI; quarter finals
KOO/TAN [5/8]; 1st round (elim by ABDUL LATIF/MOHD TAZARI)
KHOO/ABDUL LATIF [Q]; 1st round (bad result)
CHAN/HOON; 1st round (elim by CHOONG/LEE)
CHOONG/LEE [5/8]; finalist

***INA SS = 4/6, best result for MAS MD so far, even though none won

CHOONG/LEE [5/8]; quarter finals
KOO/TAN [5/8]; semi finals
GAN/LIN; 2nd round (elim by 4th seed CW/TG)
TAN/ONG; 1st round (elim by 4th seed CW/TG)
CHAN/HOON; quarter finals (elim by ABDUL LATIF/MOHD TAZARI)
ABDUL LATIF/MOHD TAZARI; finalists

CHN SS [1] = 1/2, pretty bad, but KOO/TAN did not compete

TAN/ONG; semi finals
ABDUL LATIF/MOHD TAZARI [5/8]; 2nd round (bad result)
CHOONG/LEE [3/4]; 2nd round (bad result)
CHEW/HONG; 2nd round (elim by 2nd seed Kido/Setiawan)
CHAN/HOON; 1st round (elim by 2nd seed Kido/Setiawan)

as you can see, the most consistant good results came from KOO/TAN and CHOONG/LEE, but when they don't do well, the others step up or they all step up together (INA SS)...so to say that all other MAS MD pairs produce shameful results outside of KKK/TBH is far from the truth ;)...some pair always steps up and produces at least 1 good result...WHY?...cause QUANTITY DOES MATTER :D

[samuel882]

Out of countless MAS MD Pair.. ONLY Khoo & Chong Pairs won title so far...
Do u fink Semifinal place for TBS/OSH in CO & Finals apperance for Zakry's pair i IO is enought to consider a success??
OK> Then Lets wait & see.. In coming WC, its 4 MAS pair vs 2 CHN PAir... To be judge for Quality over Quantity and who will finally come out on top...

[xXazn_romeoXx]

well they did have to get into the finals some way right? they weren't just awarded the place...and we can't really talk about the level of competition on their end of the table because MDs are really closely pacted moreso than the singles...but my point was that with quantity, or at least average to pretty good comparable pairs will likely have more chance to have a chance to get into the finals of WC rather than 1 (albeit my favourite pair ;] ) and 1 average doubles pair...right? guo/xie really don't have great results to speak of either...so i guess it pretty much speaks for itself...but my original point was that quantity does matter, and the other MAS MD didn't have shameful results ;)...

[xXazn_romeoXx]

although fu/cai will destroy all XD

[samuel882]

Put aside Feng Yun, ONLY two-3 KOREA pairs compete in TO...Compare with MAS team which i believe have the largest oversea contigent for TO in MD dept.
But JJS/LYD & LJJ/HJM certainly proove that Quality win over MAS MD Quantity participants.. Even with LYD just making a comback from an injury. His results in TO makes All the pairs in MAS team to worry about

[X Ball]

Again.. TRAINING.. TRAINING.... cant remember how many times did malaysia press mentioned about MAS MD players keeps the training volume....
As we all can see.. How they failed to delivered.. even a runners-up in the podium finished on the 2 recently concludes opens....
When KKK/TBH compete in SC07... All the rest of MAS pairs stay homes to train with REXY & many seems quite confidence they will produce results at TO / CO.. But looks... WAt achievement they have gots? NOTHING !
Press also always mentioned MAS MD looks sharp & on the go for results...
Feng Yun Compete more tournaments than any other MAS pairs... but who can challenge them ? KKK/TBH? Not even close..

You sound like a parochial supporter with no patience. I hope you were not one of those who casted your doubts about LCW coming back when he was down. Coz if you were, you have not learned anything.:rolleyes:

[tjl_vanguard]

Again.. TRAINING.. TRAINING.... cant remember how many times did malaysia press mentioned about MAS MD players keeps the training volume....
As we all can see.. How they failed to delivered.. even a runners-up in the podium finished on the 2 recently concludes opens....
When KKK/TBH compete in SC07... All the rest of MAS pairs stay homes to train with REXY & many seems quite confidence they will produce results at TO / CO.. But looks... WAt achievement they have gots? NOTHING !
Press also always mentioned MAS MD looks sharp & on the go for results...
Feng Yun Compete more tournaments than any other MAS pairs... but who can challenge them ? KKK/TBH? Not even close..
ah... dun be too sure wit wad ur saying pal! :D mas is unpredictable.. :D

[OneToughBirdie]

although fu/cai will destroy all XD
Romeo, Romeo....Fu/Cai playing mixed doubles:rolleyes::rolleyes:...now who plays the 'female' role, Fu or Cai;);)....sorry I am just making fun here cos I know, you meant "Fu/Cai will destroy all MD"! Hahaha! LOL!:D:p:p

[X Ball]

Romeo, Romeo....Fu/Cai playing mixed doubles:rolleyes::rolleyes:...now who plays the 'female' role, Fu or Cai;);)....sorry I am just making fun here cos I know, you meant "Fu/Cai will destroy all MD"! Hahaha! LOL!:D:p:p

You got to give him credit because FU-CAI will definitely destroy all XDs ! Maybe he meant what he wrote.:D

[xXazn_romeoXx]

Romeo, Romeo....Fu/Cai playing mixed doubles:rolleyes::rolleyes:...now who plays the 'female' role, Fu or Cai;);)....sorry I am just making fun here cos I know, you meant "Fu/Cai will destroy all MD"! Hahaha! LOL!:D:p:p

ahahaha:D ultimately they could ;);) if you know what i mean ahaha..but which one would play the female....i could not comment :p:p but cai is better at net than fu is...:rolleyes::rolleyes: plus....fu's got the HAMMER :D:D:D...let's see gail emms/robertson's smash match up to fu/cai's smash...:D:D:D...it'd be death to put either of them in the back :eek::eek::eek:....hypothetically if they did play...i wonder what the strategy would be?? :eek::eek: have the women on the other pair flash fu or cai why the man smashes :D:D:p:p;)

[xXazn_romeoXx]

You got to give him credit because FU-CAI will definitely destroy all XDs ! Maybe he meant what he wrote.:D


ahaha ahhh yes yes...i did too ;);)

[X Ball]

ahaha ahhh yes yes...i did too ;);)


LOL, TOP MAN....

[xXazn_romeoXx]

what do you think of a darkhorse pair this year? the year before was USA...and last year was ENG....i am going with mike beres and william milroy to get past 2nd round and into quarters at least XD

[X Ball]

what do you think of a darkhorse pair this year? the year before was USA...and last year was ENG....i am going with mike beres and william milroy to get past 2nd round and into quarters at least XD

What are the chances of a Malaysian going into space ?:D I think your chances are as good.

But LCW is a definite. I am sure you concur.....say you concur !!:D

[xXazn_romeoXx]

lolz LCW will definately make quarters ;)...unless, however impossible, his draw happens to be 1st round taufik, 2nd round lin dan...=P...so i definately concur ahaha...but a malaysian going into space is definately possible....in the next.....couple decades? or something?...i know nothing of current space programs besides the americans, the canadians, chinese and russians XD....but beres/milroy will fight for at least a 2nd round birth =P

[X Ball]

lolz LCW will definately make quarters ;)...unless, however impossible, his draw happens to be 1st round taufik, 2nd round lin dan...=P...so i definately concur ahaha...but a malaysian going into space is definately possible....in the next.....couple decades? or something?...i know nothing of current space programs besides the americans, the canadians, chinese and russians XD....but beres/milroy will fight for at least a 2nd round birth =P

A Malaysian is definitely going with the Russians to space --- he is training now with the Russian. So Beres-Milroy is definitely going into 2nd round. I will cheer for them, my friend.

[xXazn_romeoXx]

that awesome to hear...every country needs a representative in space, it's just something of a great accomplishment LOL...but canada also needs a good result somewhere =\...never mind winning any major championships yet, we have yet to grab a good result in big tournaments....and beres is getting old LOL...we don't have the developmental system most asian countries do...although this would probably be the only place i can play on the national team for in the future XD...i will cheer for the MAS pairs unless they play against Fu/Cai ;)....and LCW all the way LOL....just sad that chen hong probably won't win ><

[xXazn_romeoXx]

anyone think jonas rasmussen/ lars paaske will make their comeback?

[X Ball]

that awesome to hear...every country needs a representative in space, it's just something of a great accomplishment LOL...but canada also needs a good result somewhere =\...never mind winning any major championships yet, we have yet to grab a good result in big tournaments....and beres is getting old LOL...we don't have the developmental system most asian countries do...although this would probably be the only place i can play on the national team for in the future XD...i will cheer for the MAS pairs unless they play against Fu/Cai ;)....and LCW all the way LOL....just sad that chen hong probably won't win ><

Does the badminton association pay for Beres and Milroy to play here ?

[xXazn_romeoXx]

as far as i know, it's subsidized, much like most unpopular sports in canada...it gets little funding...other than a fast track grant..which is basically 2k...most of it does come out of our own pockets...for coaches, for court time etc...but they do coach to earn their own money...Andrew Dabeka coaches at the RA where i play at when he is around...or he's training...but, it's super hard to be an athlete in canada unless you're into hockey, curling or laccross...in that order ;)

[X Ball]

as far as i know, it's subsidized, much like most unpopular sports in canada...it gets little funding...other than a fast track grant..which is basically 2k...most of it does come out of our own pockets...for coaches, for court time etc...but they do coach to earn their own money...Andrew Dabeka coaches at the RA where i play at when he is around...or he's training...but, it's super hard to be an athlete in canada unless you're into hockey, curling or laccross...in that order ;)

Tough buddy. Why aren't you playing Hockey then ?:D

[thiery]

if KKK can reduce his fancy play and TBH can execute his deadly, powerful baseline smashes, i'll put my money on them to win.

[X Ball]

if KKK can reduce his fancy play and TBH can execute his deadly, powerful baseline smashes, i'll put my money on them to win.

You may have to put your money where your mouth is coz they will win.:D

[samuel882]

You sound like a parochial supporter with no patience. I hope you were not one of those who casted your doubts about LCW coming back when he was down. Coz if you were, you have not learned anything.:rolleyes:
The title here is talking about MD; LCW shld be excluded frm that ranks dudes..:)
OKAY.. I am thrilled with KKK/TBH plays... but do u really fink evy 1 frm MAS team will follow LCW's trails & get great results ? I am doubt about it..
I support MAS team since their famous winning in TC1992.. But They even cant repeat the same feat in TC since then . not to say any champs in World Cup... I cant remmember which year when MAS host the TC.. Most of MAS press/fans talk about they can win back the cup in their home ground.. But at the end.. They cant even get into SF...
Same might happened for MAS MD in this year WC as well.. When Most of us believe KKK/TBH will strike back & prevent the might Feng Yun for the prestigous back to back World title.. They certainly WILL Have the chance to disappointed MAS fans once again...!

[xXazn_romeoXx]

Tough buddy. Why aren't you playing Hockey then ?:D

lolz i do XD...just not good enough ahaha...you either pick one thing right...and i made my choice :D:D KKK/TBH may win the SS Finals...but WC...there will be too many factors to count in to consider them a better contender than others...for example...they could end up in a draw against their own countrymen and end up being eliminated themselves...but that's the risk with everyone ;)

[xXazn_romeoXx]

i think CTF/LWW have the chance to be a 1st tier darkhorse since most of the people here are passing them by...

[OneToughBirdie]

ahahaha:D ultimately they could ;);) if you know what i mean ahaha..but which one would play the female....i could not comment :p:p but cai is better at net than fu is...:rolleyes::rolleyes: plus....fu's got the HAMMER :D:D:D...let's see gail emms/robertson's smash match up to fu/cai's smash...:D:D:D...it'd be death to put either of them in the back :eek::eek::eek:....hypothetically if they did play...i wonder what the strategy would be?? :eek::eek: have the women on the other pair flash fu or cai why the man smashes :D:D:p:p;)

That would work to promote badminton into mainstream sport...something for fans to look forward to...hahaha!!:D

[xXazn_romeoXx]

That would work to promote badminton into mainstream sport...something for fans to look forward to...hahaha!!:D

quite honestly...i would clearly NOT object to that ;)...although some people might :D

[bananaboy]

By looking at up-to-date performance, and no assumption into the future...

Can anyone honestly doubt the fact that Fu/Cai is the pair which has the highest possibility of winning? Seriously, while most teams are either declining, or in bad form... who is out there capable of challenging the very competent and consistent Fu/Cai at the moment? Nobody!:cool:

[Darien]

By looking at up-to-date performance, and no assumption into the future...

Can anyone honestly doubt the fact that Fu/Cai is the pair which has the highest possibility of winning? Seriously, while most teams are either declining, or in bad form... who is out there capable of challenging the very competent and consistent Fu/Cai at the moment? Nobody!:cool:

agree! FU/CAI to retain their WC title...:D

[jimbo]

By looking at up-to-date performance, and no assumption into the future...

Can anyone honestly doubt the fact that Fu/Cai is the pair which has the highest possibility of winning? Seriously, while most teams are either declining, or in bad form... who is out there capable of challenging the very competent and consistent Fu/Cai at the moment? Nobody!:cool:

Agree. It's hard to figure out who can beat Roger Federer on grass and who can beat LD... Hopefully Fu/Cai and LD have off days during the WC and Msia team can capitalise and enroute to win the titles (sorry, biased again :p)

Msia Boleh...!!!

[KazeCloud]

TBH hands down. He was usually an underdog, finally we expect him to win =]

[Hitman71]

In the China Masters MD events, the koreans, danes (ML/JE & Paske/Rasmussen), TG/CW and KKK/TBH did not participate. Fu/Cai are good, but how good they really are?. My feeling is, only the koreans and TG/CW can really challange Fu/Cai now.

[bananaboy]

In the China Masters MD events, the koreans, danes (ML/JE & Paske/Rasmussen), TG/CW and KKK/TBH did not participate. Fu/Cai are good, but how good they really are?. My feeling is, only the koreans and TG/CW can really challange Fu/Cai now.

Fu/Cai have quite a winning record against the Koreans this year without one single loss. Tong/Candra are definitely on a decline as age goes by. Fu/cai also have defeated all the top Malaysian doubles as well in the last few months.

With their recent improvement, Fu/Cai are at this point definitely the best Men doubles pair today, and there is no denying about it.

[samuel882]

Chn/kor>mas>ina>den

[X Ball]

I think their play so far in the Philippines Open is very ecnouraging. I think they are coming back. With Rexy, the master coach, it will be 'no hot air' when he said he will get them ready to win the WC. I have total trust in what he said.

Imagine Malaysia wins MD and MS in WC. It will be a national holiday for sure!

[samuel882]

I think their play so far in the Philippines Open is very ecnouraging. I think they are coming back. With Rexy, the master coach, it will be 'no hot air' when he said he will get them ready to win the WC. I have total trust in what he said.

Imagine Malaysia wins MD and MS in WC. It will be a national holiday for sure!
Over Celebrations may cost too mch for MAS.. Even they are to be crowned Wordl champs.. They still need to win an OG Gold to consolidate their dominant !

[X Ball]

Over Celebrations may cost too mch for MAS.. Even they are to be crowned Wordl champs.. They still need to win an OG Gold to consolidate their dominant !

What ??? You are not serious surely. If they win the WC, we will celebrate !!:D Worry about the Olypmics later (which is miles away).

[koo_fan]

look samuel882 celebrate the winning does not mean we pampered our champions.just to appreciated their effort.see what happen to our ashamed footballers? the same thing thing would happen if we do not appreciated our shutllers.Be aware of that.

[bananaboy]

I think their play so far in the Philippines Open is very ecnouraging. I think they are coming back. With Rexy, the master coach, it will be 'no hot air' when he said he will get them ready to win the WC. I have total trust in what he said.

Imagine Malaysia wins MD and MS in WC. It will be a national holiday for sure!

Instead of the usual Malaysia going home empty handed, this time Malaysia team gets to "stay home" empty handed.

Forget about a national holiday, and be prepare for another hard working day...LOL.:p:D:D:D

[samuel882]

What ??? You are not serious surely. If they win the WC, we will celebrate !!:D Worry about the Olypmics later (which is miles away).

I dont fink ur NEW PM will announce Public Holiday If any malaysians win in WC07! He is a conservative man... HE even tried to reduce the number of holidays in malaysian working calendar !So dont ever dream on that !

[samuel882]

look samuel882 celebrate the winning does not mean we pampered our champions.just to appreciated their effort.see what happen to our ashamed footballers? the same thing thing would happen if we do not appreciated our shutllers.Be aware of that.

If the MAS football team did win anything major in ASIAD. Then it really worth a celebrations coz they never ever will be do that !! Even 30years from now !
It might not be the same as MAS badminton team as they win a couple of major tournament recently... KKK/TBh in AE07 & AG06. But there is not any Public Holiday on those 2 occasions ! Coz the MAS government fink dat it is not an unusual achievements for them compare v their sluggish/shameful football team..

[funnymei89]

for me it will be either 2 of this 3 pairs to enter the finals...

1)kkk n tbh
2)jung jae-sung ,lee yong-dae
3)cai yun , fu hai feng

i feel tony n chandra always stop at semis...anyone think so???i always watch them until semis then bye bye already...aih...dun kill me.

[samuel882]

for me it will be either 2 of this 3 pairs to enter the finals...

1)kkk n tbh
2)jung jae-sung ,lee yong-dae
3)cai yun , fu hai feng

i feel tony n chandra always stop at semis...anyone think so???i always watch them until semis then bye bye already...aih...dun kill me.

Yeah.. Mayb their stamina prevent them from advance far... If they get some easily games on the road to SF.. Only they able to go beyond SF

[koo_fan]

If the MAS football team did win anything major in ASIAD. Then it really worth a celebrations coz they never ever will be do that !! Even 30years from now !
It might not be the same as MAS badminton team as they win a couple of major tournament recently... KKK/TBh in AE07 & AG06. But there is not any Public Holiday on those 2 occasions ! Coz the MAS government fink dat it is not an unusual achievements for them compare v their sluggish/shameful football team..
thats the typical problem with malaysians(i suppose u are malaysian).we do not appreciated 4 what we have.and when we lose it,we'll blame them and rudely criticise them.exactly like our soccer team.the same thing & the same situation.

[nauyuchi]

i agree with many of you. since the championship is in kl, then i think malaysian pair will win. i would be very happy to see KKK/TBH to win.
ehehe

[samuel882]

thats the typical problem with malaysians(i suppose u are malaysian).we do not appreciated 4 what we have.and when we lose it,we'll blame them and rudely criticise them.exactly like our soccer team.the same thing & the same situation.
No doubt they deserved to be credited with their win.. Anyway they shld acccepted public comments on them no matter good or bad

A good professional players shld always looks forwards and not take with them the crictics... Which they cant stop pubic to do so.....

[abedeng]

The situation is quite the opposite, badminton and soccer in Malaysia. It's all about management and planning ......

In the 70s, with the retirement of the 1967 Thomas Cup squad, we were not that strong in badminton. But well regarded as a soccer nation. Yeah, we had Punch Gunalan, and later on Dominic Soong and his partner HC Cheah as world class players, Sylvia Ng too in women's singles. But we weren't strong as a team.

Then the Sidek brothers came, and we got to build on a proper competitive men's squad. Despite some politics and squabbling, BAM had the foresight to ensure continuity, even after the end of the Sidek bros reign. Since 1988, foreign coaches are roped in like there is no tomorrow from junior to senior level. Even the women senior squad have improved to world level, though as a team, they are still uneven.

This is not to say that BAM is perfect, but it has at least got the basics right, in doing things PBSI and China's BA had been doing for decades.

The Malaysian soccer body, FAM, is different. A lot more politics are played at FAM level, such that most former star players, team managers and successful coaches are turned off. The pro league was tainted by matchfixing scandals and late salary payment in its formation years, and with the availability of satellite TV, fans no longer come to support local teams in droves.

Bashing in badminton does not equate to not supporting your player, it is to tell the player to show his potential ..... at all times. Malaysian fans, I am sure, can accept losses if they see that the players have given their all and are not holding back .....

[X Ball]

Misbun is a top coach. With LCW's success, he can easily get a job anywhere if he wants to. I just like to say he must be enjoying his coaching now with such success and all dues to him.

Always thought he would come through with LCW and LCW certainly knew Misbun would be able to help him.

This is off-topic but just an addition to Abedeng's message.

[samuel882]

Misbun is a top coach. With LCW's success, he can easily get a job anywhere if he wants to. I just like to say he must be enjoying his coaching now with such success and all dues to him.

Always thought he would come through with LCW and LCW certainly knew Misbun would be able to help him.

This is off-topic but just an addition to Abedeng's message.

However.. He only produces one great players (LCW) in his coaching heydays.. HH? CKB? all not up to the mark yet..

[X Ball]

However.. He only produces one great players (LCW) in his coaching heydays.. HH? CKB? all not up to the mark yet..

Well he trained Hafiz to All-England win and WCH to 2nd WC. Enough lah....speaks volume.

[samuel882]

AE was Hafiz only achievements in major title.. And mayb the first & the last 1.. WCH.. Compete for so many years but still lack of something great in his collections..

[Hitman71]

AE was Hafiz only achievements in major title.. And mayb the first & the last 1.. WCH.. Compete for so many years but still lack of something great in his collections..


Yet still no one can produce better results than him in M'sia. Hafiz performance is really a pain for most malaysian badminton fans, but still no other players can take his no 2 spot. :rolleyes:


Now back to the topic, I still think Fu/Cai will take the title.

[samuel882]

Even KKK/TBH shows tremendous performance in PO.. They still lack of the experince & conssitent compare v Feng Yun

[ctjcad]

i feel tony n chandra always stop at semis...anyone think so???i always watch them until semis then bye bye already...aih...dun kill me.

[/B]
Yeah.. Mayb their stamina prevent them from advance far... If they get some easily games on the road to SF.. Only they able to go beyond SF
..just want to share this minor news from a source close to Tony. With less than a month to go, he is now training and getting himself ready physically in Indonesia for the upcoming WC. It will be a very tough road for him and Candra, perhaps a kind draw will help, as Cai Yun and Fu HaiFeng remain the main "bump in the road" for Tony & Candra..Good luck to our veteran geezers!!..:p;)
Here's a recent pic of him (with Candra) in the just concluded Philippines Open; pic courtesy of makunouchi..;)
http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=33902&d=1184862476

[samuel882]

Thanks for sharing.. Tony really looks very old already... hehe ;)

[zqloy]

Even KKK/TBH shows tremendous performance in PO.. They still lack of the experince & conssitent compare v Feng Yun

Lack of experience will be complemented by Rexy's guidance. Dont forget the home ground support too! The roaring crowds will be a crucial component to our players.

[abedeng]

Feng Yun (nice name) too had to go in the wilderness for quite a while before finding consistency .... between their WC06 win and S'pore Open SS07, they were upstaged time and again by DEN, MAS and INA pairs.

Anyway, I would say Koo/Tan and Feng/Yun are co-favourites for the crown, + CTF/LWW, Kido/Setiawan, and Jung/Lee as dark horses. Don't see the Danes n English fighting for the crown this time .....

[samuel882]

Many of us often prefer JJS/LYD as the favourites among the candidates for MD crown.. Please do not counted out the possibility of Lee Jae Jin/ Hwang Ji Man... The are the champs of TO.. After that, we do not seen their actions in CM & PO respectively.. They are keeping away their games plan frm the opponents...
However, KOREA often set their top priority for Gold in Olympics... Lets see how this two pair will shut the world down in the coming WC07...

[jasonmarc]

Many of us often prefer JJS/LYD as the favourites among the candidates for MD crown.. Please do not counted out the possibility of Lee Jae Jin/ Hwang Ji Man... The are the champs of TO.. After that, we do not seen their actions in CM & PO respectively.. They are keeping away their games plan frm the opponents...
However, KOREA often set their top priority for Gold in Olympics... Lets see how this two pair will shut the world down in the coming WC07...

Yes i agreed, beside MAS, CHN, INA, USA/INA....there are two pairs from KOR which is very dangerous....they usually performs tremendously in important tourny.....like WC..Olympic..be careful ......they might shine in WC07...:rolleyes:

[jasonmarc]

I would pick.....45% CY/FHF, 40% KKK/YBH, 15% the rest...

[OneToughBirdie]

Yes i agreed, beside MAS, CHN, INA, USA/INA....there are two pairs from KOR which is very dangerous....they usually performs tremendously in important tourny.....like WC..Olympic..be careful ......they might shine in WC07...:rolleyes:
The 2 KOR pairs and CJ are my dark horses for MD and MS in WC07! I am not going to predict LCW and any MAS MD to win, just not to jinx them...but I will cheer for them quietly...hahaha!!!:D

[abedeng]

I am not going to predict LCW and any MAS MD to win, just not to jinx them...but I will cheer for them quietly...hahaha!!!:D

Cannot!!! You cannot cheer quietly. This is Malaysia, and we are supposed to drown out our own "opponents".

[X Ball]

The 2 KOR pairs and CJ are my dark horses for MD and MS in WC07! I am not going to predict LCW and any MAS MD to win, just not to jinx them...but I will cheer for them quietly...hahaha!!!:D


This is the WC -- not possible to cheer quietly. You get all tangled emotionally with the crowd cheering loudly.:D

[OneToughBirdie]

This is the WC -- not possible to cheer quietly. You get all tangled emotionally with the crowd cheering loudly.:D
I agree you cannot cheer quietly in the stadium, we need the noise factor...I mean I will quietly say a prayer and cheer for MAS in faraway Canada. I just talked to Cooler when playing baddy tonight, come August 7, I will be kicking myself not back home to watch the games, the food, the event, meeting you guys, etc.....hahaha!!!:D

[ctjcad]

The 2 KOR pairs and CJ are my dark horses for MD and MS in WC07! I am not going to predict LCW and any MAS MD to win, just not to jinx them...but I will cheer for them quietly...hahaha!!!:D
..won't be so "tough" and cheer for them quietly anymore, when all the M'sian players keep on advancing....hehe..:p:D;)

Cannot!!! You cannot cheer quietly. This is Malaysia, and we are supposed to drown out our own "opponents".
...deep in his heart of hearts, OneToughBirdie will definitely cheer..We may not hear his cheer because he lives thousands of miles away in Calgary, CANADA, but i'm sure he'll be cheering..;)

This is the WC -- not possible to cheer quietly. You get all tangled emotionally with the crowd cheering loudly.:D
..i concur;)...I can also see there's no way OneToughBirdie can avoid cheering and wooting his M'sian players all the way from Calgary..:):cool:

I agree you cannot cheer quietly in the stadium, we need the noise factor...I mean I will quietly say a prayer and cheer for MAS in faraway Canada. I just talked to Cooler when playing baddy tonight, come August 7, I will be kicking myself not back home to watch the games, the food, the event, meeting you guys, etc.....hahaha!!!:D
..well, hope i'll(along with RonK) be able to bring in some good luck to the M'sian players on behalf of OneToughBirdie when i attend the WC..:cool:

[OneToughBirdie]

..won't be so "tough" and cheer for them quietly anymore, when all the M'sian players keep on advancing....hehe..:p:D;)

...deep in his heart of hearts, OneToughBirdie will definitely cheer..;)

..i concur;)...I can see there's no way OneToughBirdie can avoid cheering and wooting his M'sian players all the way from Calgary..:cool:

You are so right, I would love to see LCW and KKK/TBH win...but afraid if I praise too much on BC forum, darn Murphy laws kick in and everything got screwed up, hahaha!! I will be kicking myself for not attending WC07 when LCW and KKK/TBH win.:D

[renly]

You are so right, I would love to see LCW and KKK/TBH win...but afraid if I praise too much on BC forum, darn Murphy laws kick in and everything got screwed up, hahaha!! I will be kicking myself for not attending WC07 when LCW and KKK/TBH win.:D
after watching PO, i don't think KKK/TBH will win.LCW might win it but CHN pair still up and flying. MK/HS might steal your show but TH for sure he is DONE, time for him to hang his RQ on the wall.

[samuel882]

after watching PO, i don't think KKK/TBH will win.LCW might win it but CHN pair still up and flying. MK/HS might steal your show but TH for sure he is DONE, time for him to hang his RQ on the wall.

Wat makes u fink TH is done... He is the most exciting MS players on earth right now... Badminton will become less attractive w/o him !

[abedeng]

Wat makes u fink TH is done... He is the most exciting MS players on earth right now... Badminton will become less attractive w/o him !

Yup, Taufik has an aura around him, we never know what he might do ..... :cool:

[smash]

Yup, Taufik has an aura around him, we never know what he might do ..... :cool:

Absolutly lol, as you can read on treat "to be like Father Taufik" TH fun still give opnion and debating on TH will miss WC ?mean that, TH attendance on every tournaments is added the more great chalanging atmosphere.:D

[koo_fan]

Yup, Taufik has an aura around him, we never know what he might do ..... :cool:
Well TH is not that special.He is special but i dont think he deserve ur eulogy.he has an aura??? For how long he has been in the world top 3??

[samuel882]

Three main factors for KKK/TBH to defeat Feng Yun:

1. Improved the defense..
- Feng Yun is fast & quick on smashes... IF you dont have the Quality in defence... No hopes to win in a rally.

2. Play more net shots..
- KKK shows dat his ability to perform some tricky nets shots in PO.. This is the area wich feng yun most fear for.. As they prefer more "open" plays rattle than battle in the front court..

3. Dont lift the shuttle too high
- We can expect other opponents to makes mistakes during their attack.. For Example.. hitting the shuttle into nets while jumping smashes.
Not for Feng Yun.. They can keeps smashed until u can't break with ZERO mistakes!! So. KKK must play smarts not to lift the shuttle for them to keeps attacking. It will suits Feng Yun.. As they can probable produce 100-150 smashes in a match w/o failes !!

Keeps the eyes open !
- TBH is good a blazements of shots into any area wich often stunts their opponents.. Keeps improve on that skills..And maintain focus on the shuttles then i believe TBH can surprise evy 1 on court any time !

[X Ball]

Three main factors for KKK/TBH to defeat Feng Yun:

1. Improved the defense..
- Feng Yun is fast & quick on smashes... IF you dont have the Quality in defence... No hopes to win in a rally.

2. Play more net shots..
- KKK shows dat his ability to perform some tricky nets shots in PO.. This is the area wich feng yun most fear for.. As they prefer more "open" plays rattle than battle in the front court..

3. Dont lift the shuttle too high
- We can expect other opponents to makes mistakes during their attack.. For Example.. hitting the shuttle into nets while jumping smashes.
Not for Feng Yun.. They can keeps smashed until u can't break with ZERO mistakes!! So. KKK must play smarts not to lift the shuttle for them to keeps attacking. It will suits Feng Yun.. As they can probable produce 100-150 smashes in a match w/o failes !!

Keeps the eyes open !
- TBH is good a blazements of shots into any area wich often stunts their opponents.. Keeps improve on that skills..And maintain focus on the shuttles then i believe TBH can surprise evy 1 on court any time !

KKK-TBH will match them in flat fast drives -their accuracies have improved. This is one dept that won them the ALL-England but deserted them somehow after that --- they got caught out with the accuracy and had to resort to high lobs which FEN-Yun are most lethal.

Their sharpness is now at the very best. If you ask me, FEN-YUN will suffer the same consequence in the ALL-England. There is just no way, repeat no way, that they can beat KKK-TBH this time. Even if I take my hat off as a pro-Malaysian, I would still pick them to win over FEN-YUN. Sure the reocrds have been kind to FEN-YUN when KKK-TBH went 'missing in form' but just like LCW who has made a comeback in form, KKK-TBH would do the same.

Note: Reports say they are awesome in practice and Rexy is high in spirit, knowing his boys are in fine fettle.

[zqloy]

Three main factors for KKK/TBH to defeat Feng Yun:

1. Improved the defense..
- Feng Yun is fast & quick on smashes... IF you dont have the Quality in defence... No hopes to win in a rally.

2. Play more net shots..
- KKK shows dat his ability to perform some tricky nets shots in PO.. This is the area wich feng yun most fear for.. As they prefer more "open" plays rattle than battle in the front court..

3. Dont lift the shuttle too high
- We can expect other opponents to makes mistakes during their attack.. For Example.. hitting the shuttle into nets while jumping smashes.
Not for Feng Yun.. They can keeps smashed until u can't break with ZERO mistakes!! So. KKK must play smarts not to lift the shuttle for them to keeps attacking. It will suits Feng Yun.. As they can probable produce 100-150 smashes in a match w/o failes !!

Keeps the eyes open !
- TBH is good a blazements of shots into any area wich often stunts their opponents.. Keeps improve on that skills..And maintain focus on the shuttles then i believe TBH can surprise evy 1 on court any time !

To keep things simple, KKK is playing the most important part. He has to be extra sharp and fast at the net, not to let any flat or half-court shots get past him; setting up shots for TBH to execute his lethal smashes. To me, KKK's best performance is in Doha, lets see whether he can regain such form.

[samuel882]

I fink TBH improved.. And his form even better than at AE... He can simply overshine KKK any time.. Wich I wish could not creat a rivalry among them.. Overjeolous about partners' achievement is definetely wont be allowed for a new pair as them...

[zqloy]

I fink TBH improved.. And his form even better than at AE... He can simply overshine KKK any time.. Wich I wish could not creat a rivalry among them.. Overjeolous about partners' achievement is definetely wont be allowed for a new pair as them...

Rivalry btw partners? Lol... there is nth to be worried about!
MD is about teamwork, they need each other to shine.

[robin7]

KKK is quick at the net & TBH is good at the back court. TBH's smashes are sharp & his crosscourt dives are just amazing. Mixing up the pace works for them most of the time. Keep going!
孤单 vs 风云

[samuel882]

Rivalry btw partners? Lol... there is nth to be worried about!
MD is about teamwork, they need each other to shine.

It is normal sometimes for quarrellings and blaming each others both on and on the court in a partnership for doubles.. Anyway. I wish this pair will be everlasting coz It will be a disaster for MAS badminton IF they are about to break this golden combination..:rolleyes:

[samuel882]

KKK is quick at the net & TBH is good at the back court. TBH's smashes are sharp & his crosscourt dives are just amazing. Mixing up the pace works for them most of the time. Keep going!
孤单 vs 风云

haha .. Its suppposed to be TAN KHOO求败 vs 风云

[zqloy]

It is normal sometimes for quarrellings and blaming each others both on and on the court in a partnership for doubles.. Anyway. I wish this pair will be everlasting coz It will be a disaster for MAS badminton IF they are about to break this golden combination..:rolleyes:

Both CSK/YKH and LWW/CTF hv such problems, blaming partners on each mistakes, thats why they failed to go far.
So far KKK/TBH looks fine to me, lots of encouragement to each other.

[robin7]

haha .. Its suppposed to be...

孤单求败 vs 风云, I find a bit arrogant but I like it!

[CYW2006]

i hope to see TBH & KKK VS Cai &Fu in the final

[ye333]

I think it's OK if you interpret 风云 as the 风云 in the comic book/movie. :cool:

孤单求败 vs 风云, I find a bit arrogant but I like it!

[ctjcad]

Three main factors for KKK/TBH to defeat Feng Yun:

1. Improved the defense..
- Feng Yun is fast & quick on smashes... IF you dont have the Quality in defence... No hopes to win in a rally.

2. Play more net shots..
- KKK shows dat his ability to perform some tricky nets shots in PO.. This is the area wich feng yun most fear for.. As they prefer more "open" plays rattle than battle in the front court..

3. Dont lift the shuttle too high
- We can expect other opponents to makes mistakes during their attack.. For Example.. hitting the shuttle into nets while jumping smashes.
Not for Feng Yun.. They can keeps smashed until u can't break with ZERO mistakes!! So. KKK must play smarts not to lift the shuttle for them to keeps attacking. It will suits Feng Yun.. As they can probable produce 100-150 smashes in a match w/o failes !!
..very true on all 3 accounts, esp. the last point..If KKK&TBH can minimize that and keep playing a 'flat-ter' game, they have a very good chance..;)

KKK-TBH will match them in flat fast drives -their accuracies have improved. This is one dept that won them the ALL-England but deserted them somehow after that --- they got caught out with the accuracy and had to resort to high lobs which FEN-Yun are most lethal.
..yes, i would concur also..The one thing i want to see is whether TBH & KKK have improved their smashes as well..Not so much in terms of power, but in terms of placement and sharpness(how steep is it). That and their defense...;)

[taufik-ist]

No Doubt
























Markis/hendra Will Be A Finalist :)

[samuel882]

No Doubt
Markis/hendra Will Be A Finalist :)

Depends on the luck of their draw... IF they meet Feng Yun before the finals.. Say in the SF.. The whole MAS fans will be their supporters for them to beat the CHN pairs.. trust me :D:D

[abedeng]

taufik-ist, I think Markis/Hendra could have done better against Feng Yun at CM Super Series. Yun didn't look in top form, INA pair was calling the shots for the 1st half of the game and controlling the front court.

[tjl_vanguard]

hahaha...there indra goes again... haha :D

[zqloy]

taufik-ist, I think Markis/Hendra could have done better against Feng Yun at CM Super Series. Yun didn't look in top form, INA pair was calling the shots for the 1st half of the game and controlling the front court.

Markis/Hendra is in good form. The momentum just shift to Cai/Fu after a few ridiculous fault calls.

[gidong]

Kkk Tbh ....... Win !!!!!!!!!!!!

[renly]

Three main factors for KKK/TBH to defeat Feng Yun:

1. Improved the defense..
- Feng Yun is fast & quick on smashes... IF you dont have the Quality in defence... No hopes to win in a rally.

2. Play more net shots..
- KKK shows dat his ability to perform some tricky nets shots in PO.. This is the area wich feng yun most fear for.. As they prefer more "open" plays rattle than battle in the front court..

3. Dont lift the shuttle too high
- We can expect other opponents to makes mistakes during their attack.. For Example.. hitting the shuttle into nets while jumping smashes.
Not for Feng Yun.. They can keeps smashed until u can't break with ZERO mistakes!! So. KKK must play smarts not to lift the shuttle for them to keeps attacking. It will suits Feng Yun.. As they can probable produce 100-150 smashes in a match w/o failes !!

Keeps the eyes open !
- TBH is good a blazements of shots into any area wich often stunts their opponents.. Keeps improve on that skills..And maintain focus on the shuttles then i believe TBH can surprise evy 1 on court any time !

all 3 factors that you mention will come down to one conclution PLAY FLAT and push the birdie to CY. they don't have to play DEF,NETTING or LIFT the birdie. unless you have very good DEF like RICKY/REXY.

[samuel882]

all 3 factors that you mention will come down to one conclution PLAY FLAT and push the birdie to CY. they don't have to play DEF,NETTING or LIFT the birdie. unless you have very good DEF like RICKY/REXY.

Its getting harder this times to play "Flat-Drive" to Feng Yun coz they got their game plan wich is to avoid the shuttle being "flatted"..
CY looks good when its comes to defense.. We can see their games is straight forward.. With FHY the attacker & CY will the Playmaker/Defender..
With the strong believe within KKK/TBH . I fink they must keeps smashes and same time play some tricky nets shots.. They shld build on their strong ability in "fast-response" to the serve by Feng Yun .. the Theory is get the jobs done within 3 stroke after the server by CHN pairs.. wich we saw it in AE06.. Very clever play !:D

[taufik-ist]

hahaha...there indra goes again... haha :D

for time being i act like indra ( i think i'm not even close :p) , i wonder where he has been lately..:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[samuel882]

for time being i act like indra ( i think i'm not even close :p) , i wonder where he has been lately..:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

U always being TH die-hard supporters here... Wonder wich Players will u support IF TH Absent for WC07.. sony/simon??:D:D

[taufik-ist]

Depends on the luck of their draw... IF they meet Feng Yun before the finals.. Say in the SF.. The whole MAS fans will be their supporters for them to beat the CHN pairs.. trust me :D:D

ina supporters + Mas Suporters = :D :D :D .. you can imagine :p

[renly]

Its getting harder this times to play "Flat-Drive" to Feng Yun coz they got their game plan wich is to avoid the shuttle being "flatted"..
CY looks good when its comes to defense.. We can see their games is straight forward.. With FHY the attacker & CY will the Playmaker/Defender..
With the strong believe within KKK/TBH . I fink they must keeps smashes and same time play some tricky nets shots.. They shld build on their strong ability in "fast-response" to the serve by Feng Yun .. the Theory is get the jobs done within 3 stroke after the server by CHN pairs.. wich we saw it in AE06.. Very clever play !:D
watch CM between HS/MK vs CY/FH. INA pair actually leading first and second game but because of bad calls effect the final score.

[renly]

U always being TH die-hard supporters here... Wonder wich Players will u support IF TH Absent for WC07.. sony/simon??:D:D
too bad for INA MS, TH going down the drain, SC & SS drawned deep in laut jawa.they just can't beat top players. they need young blood.

[samuel882]

watch CM between HS/MK vs CY/FH. INA pair actually leading first and second game but because of bad calls effect the final score.
That's MK/HS managed to find their way to break feng Yun's games... Can kkk/tbh did it the same.?? we will see it in the WC07 final..

[taufik-ist]

U always being TH die-hard supporters here... Wonder wich Players will u support IF TH Absent for WC07.. sony/simon??:D:D

i will support sony, but i don't expect much from him..:rolleyes:

[taufik-ist]

watch CM between HS/MK vs CY/FH. INA pair actually leading first and second game but because of bad calls effect the final score.

at least 5 bad calls.. :rolleyes: They said those bad calls had ruined their concentration :o

[abedeng]

at least 5 bad calls.. :rolleyes: They said those bad calls had ruined their concentration :o

I suppose it could have, but one wonders what might have been ..... I thought they could have handled it better, being one of the few pairs who had beaten Feng Yun on home soil before.

I was least happy with the service fault calls, what with officiating being done by CHN umpire and line judge. Nothing against them, but I think international officiating should be the rule.

[tjl_vanguard]

Kkk + Tbh = Win!!!! :d

[gidong]

Kkk + Tbh = Win!!!! :d

AMEN AMEN AMEN AMEN... :D

[hollywood_t]

Its getting harder this times to play "Flat-Drive" to Feng Yun coz they got their game plan wich is to avoid the shuttle being "flatted"..
CY looks good when its comes to defense.. We can see their games is straight forward.. With FHY the attacker & CY will the Playmaker/Defender..
With the strong believe within KKK/TBH . I fink they must keeps smashes and same time play some tricky nets shots.. They shld build on their strong ability in "fast-response" to the serve by Feng Yun .. the Theory is get the jobs done within 3 stroke after the server by CHN pairs.. wich we saw it in AE06.. Very clever play !:D

Yeah I noticed they were more effective lately in forcing the lift. I think Fu's net game has improved a little too along w/ Cai's offence. I saw they were sharing the attacking load a bit more especially against the Malaysian and Indo teams more of 70/30 split Fu/Cai versus Fu taking 80-90% of the smashes.

I'm not sure if their flat play both fast drives and softer drives is that much better but they look more comfortable w/ it in general. It's the soft drives they have to watch out for from KKK/TBH that extend the rally and keep it in the front court.

KKK & TBH had a clear advantage at AE, but I'm not sure they can reproduce that type of form consistently. I mean it seemed to me they were on fire and every cut off, drive was quick, accurate and/or powerful.

The flat game has a high margin for error and it's tough to play it perfectly for an entire match. If it breaks down it will take a lot of pressure off if they can fall back to a good defence or dictate play w/ traditional back and front offence (smash/ net put away)

From AE KKK& TBH I didn't see that from KKK/TBH. They didn't seem to have great defence (most of Fu's smashes won the point when he was given the opportunity) and did not seem to have strong smashing from the back in a traditional set front back setup.

I'm curious to see what will happen if Cai & Fu lift to them and force them to play a front and back smash game more.

Derek

[samuel882]

Yeah I noticed they were more effective lately in forcing the lift. I think Fu's net game has improved a little too along w/ Cai's offence. I saw they were sharing the attacking load a bit more especially against the Malaysian and Indo teams more of 70/30 split Fu/Cai versus Fu taking 80-90% of the smashes.

I'm not sure if their flat play both fast drives and softer drives is that much better but they look more comfortable w/ it in general. It's the soft drives they have to watch out for from KKK/TBH that extend the rally and keep it in the front court.

KKK & TBH had a clear advantage at AE, but I'm not sure they can reproduce that type of form consistently. I mean it seemed to me they were on fire and every cut off, drive was quick, accurate and/or powerful.

The flat game has a high margin for error and it's tough to play it perfectly for an entire match. If it breaks down it will take a lot of pressure off if they can fall back to a good defence or dictate play w/ traditional back and front offence (smash/ net put away)

From AE KKK& TBH I didn't see that from KKK/TBH. They didn't seem to have great defence (most of Fu's smashes won the point when he was given the opportunity) and did not seem to have strong smashing from the back in a traditional set front back setup.

I'm curious to see what will happen if Cai & Fu lift to them and force them to play a front and back smash game more.

Derek

KKK probably is the best MD players with his "Flat-Games" styles of play in the world at the moment.. He is young & quick. His pace during the match is also undoubtedly will drive him to excel in this kinda offensive plays
Hopes he doesn't ride on it & keeps on improving. I wished he able to "Dethroned" Tony Gunawan as the "King of Nets Play" as well in the future..

[zqloy]

Yeah I noticed they were more effective lately in forcing the lift. I think Fu's net game has improved a little too along w/ Cai's offence. I saw they were sharing the attacking load a bit more especially against the Malaysian and Indo teams more of 70/30 split Fu/Cai versus Fu taking 80-90% of the smashes.

I'm not sure if their flat play both fast drives and softer drives is that much better but they look more comfortable w/ it in general. It's the soft drives they have to watch out for from KKK/TBH that extend the rally and keep it in the front court.

KKK & TBH had a clear advantage at AE, but I'm not sure they can reproduce that type of form consistently. I mean it seemed to me they were on fire and every cut off, drive was quick, accurate and/or powerful.

The flat game has a high margin for error and it's tough to play it perfectly for an entire match. If it breaks down it will take a lot of pressure off if they can fall back to a good defence or dictate play w/ traditional back and front offence (smash/ net put away)

From AE KKK& TBH I didn't see that from KKK/TBH. They didn't seem to have great defence (most of Fu's smashes won the point when he was given the opportunity) and did not seem to have strong smashing from the back in a traditional set front back setup.

I'm curious to see what will happen if Cai & Fu lift to them and force them to play a front and back smash game more.

Derek

Koo and Tan's offense and defense has improved much during PO. Especially TBH's smashes was very accurate along with power.

[zqloy]

KKK probably is the best MD players with his "Flat-Games" styles of play in the world at the moment.. He is young & quick. His pace during the match is also undoubtedly will drive him to excel in this kinda offensive plays
Hopes he doesn't ride on it & keeps on improving. I wished he able to "Dethroned" Tony Gunawan as the "King of Nets Play" as well in the future..

KKK is very good at the net, but he has to work on the consistency. Sometimes he tends to lost focus after a few mistakes, thats when Rexy's shouting instruction at the back to keep him focus.