Can Lin Dan win the Beijing gold?

[jumpjump]

Lin Dan is a very extraordinary player. What can you guys say about the pressure on him on winning the gold for china?isn't he made to capture that gold?

Hold on a bit...LD is not yet pressure resistant, he may falter due to pressure e.g 2006 doha-vs. Taufik..., 2005 world championship-vs. Taufik...these things are concrete examples of his instability during bigbig tournaments. with these given facts, can you say that he can take the gold?

What are the skills he should improve on?net?
what are the steps he should take for him to complete and finish his career in fashion?

[Dreamzz]

i think it'll be difficult to defeat him in beijing if he's fully fit, especially since it'll be homeground advantage, and if he has his bodyguards (BCL/CJ/CY) around to tire everyone else out before he plays with them ...
:cool:

[Qidong]

Who can challenge him? LCW is no longer a threat. TH is in good mood less than 10% of the time. PD is a year older. BCL can't beat LD. CJ's skill is not at LD's level yet - and LYB may ask CJ to give LD the gold. I will bet everything on LD. :)

[flymordecai]

I think at this point he truly deserves it. Back in 2004, there was a little doubt if he was the best and it showed he wasn't ready to dominate by his performance in Athens. Now he truly is the best player out there. Not unless Taufik becomes committed again, I don't see that happening. Even if it did, there's no guarantee a fit Taufik will beat a fit Lin Dan.

[Stealthboy]

I am rooting for Taufik the guy is an enigma, like Maradona at Football. Badminton needs him more than he needs Badminton. In Lin Dan's back yard if he took gold it would be beyond great. We need him to stop the rot in Badminton with the Chinese dominating it's becoming a bore.

[ants]

THe pressure will be Tremendous for him to get Gold Medal in Beijing. It depends on the Draw as well.

[cooler]

TH knows that playing too many tournaments only educate his opponents so his edge over his opponents has a component of surprise. LD skills are simple, speed and explosive power with ok stroke, so nothing really to hide except playing slow on less challenging players. That's why LD can lose to lesser skilled players, he's just toying them around and sometime risk mistiming the comeback pace. LD only concern as i see it is not getting an unnecessary or silly injury. If OG occurs today (2007), gold medal is a shoe in for him.

[phaarix]

He certainly can, and has a good chance of doing so. But you can't say he's going to be just as dominant as he is now. He probably will be. But a lot can change in a year. I wouldn't make any big predictions until closer to the actual tournament. He's always going to have a good chance though whatever happens.

[JaCk™]

Taufik might retire after the Olympics and will surely play his best. Lin Dan main rival will be Taufik Hidayat as he wants to win it badly. Lin Dan has some advantage playing at his own country

[Stealthboy]

TH knows that playing too many tournaments only educate his opponents so his edge over his opponents has a component of surprise. LD skills are simple, speed and explosive power with ok stroke, so nothing really to hide except playing slow on less challenging players. That's why LD can lose to lesser skilled players, he's just toying them around and sometime risk mistiming the comeback pace.

I think that's a good point that you made about Taufik but the problem with that is the less you play the less ranking point's you get. When the Olympic games arrive he will not have as many and his seeding will be low making it harder for him. They might boost him up a bit seeing he is the current Olympic champion.:)

[OneToughBirdie]

Who can challenge him? LCW is no longer a threat. TH is in good mood less than 10% of the time. PD is a year older. BCL can't beat LD. CJ's skill is not at LD's level yet - and LYB may ask CJ to give LD the gold. I will bet everything on LD. :)
Agree with you....LD could lose, probably in the early rounds as LD tends to take his early rounds' opponent easy to a point of under-estimating them, or if he got injured, or if CHN has the top 4 seeds, then it is possible for LD to meet PG or LCW in the early rounds...sure home court advantage favours LD but the pressure in Beiging, that could be a good thing or a bad thing, time will tells. One could be sure that if TH participates, TH will put everything in this event, and to go out with a bang and we know how much TH wanna screw up LD.

[JaCk™]

Yaya, Lin Dan always lose when under pressure.. Lin Dan is playing in his own country.. depends how he handle the pressure.. if he can, he have a good chance to win the title..

[OneToughBirdie]

Yaya, Lin Dan always lose when under pressure.. Lin Dan is playing in his own country.. depends how he handle the pressure.. if he can, he have a good chance to win the title..
"in Dan always lose when under pressure", that is not true though...LD can get beaten in early round when he is not taking his opponent seriously...only when he plays TH or other top players, then he would tighten up his game...look at SF 2005AE, he came back to beat LCW, and that was one of the best game I have seen. Then again, OG08 in Beiging, the pressure must be nuts! and a lot depends on the draw, LD's team-mates seeding and whether LD faces TH and LCW early. If LD get past QF, my bet on him.

[t3tsubo]

Its unoften that a new young guns player will win in the olympics, so no one new should be able to beat our surrent roster of badminton wolrd class players. hence, Simon S and other newbies are out
CY, BCL, CJ can all beat Lin Dan on occassion, but a fit and committed lin dan is very difficult to overcome. plus there is the whole respect thing, you respect your superiors, and lin dan is definetely their superior, they might not want to upset him. (upset as in beat him early, not make him sad, although that would happen)

as for TH, he is an enigma, and anything can happen to him. if it is true he is going to retire after the OG, its is very likely we will have a TH-LD final if the draw allows for it. PG is too old, and its actually liekly he'll retire before then.

personally, i want Bobby Milroy to win, cause he's canadian, and maybe then the badminton program in canada will get a lot of funding and i can train with feather birdies XD

[phaarix]

Hehe, no I'm sure our John Moody will be Olympic Champion :p.

[OneToughBirdie]

If Bobby Milroy could survive the first round or the qualifying round, that is an achievement...but we can all dream, hahaha! LOL!:D

[OneToughBirdie]

If Bobby Milroy could survive the first round or the qualifying round, that is an achievement...but we can all dream cos miracles can happen, hahaha! LOL!:D

[Dan's Shot]

Lin Dan will win the OG 2008 Gold if there is no surprise. Lin Dan usually lose when he is over confident over his opponent. We saw this when he was playing against Taufik in ASIAN GAME DOHA. He could have wrapped up the 2nd game but he paid the price by challenging Taufik to play net knowing that Taufik was controlling the net play on that day. I agree with OneToughBirdie, as long as Lin Dan doesn't take his opponent lightly, he should win gold in OG 2008.

[indra]

The answer to that question is NO.....

Beijing olympic Gold belongs to TH.....

Games-type competion is TH's specialty. It's in his blood, Man....:D

[Dan's Shot]

I agree Taufik is a good player and he is crafty. He is the only one that can challenge Lin Dan. But I thnik his fitness does not allow him to compete to the level that he wants anymore. Sometimes you can't fight against age eventhough you have very high spirit. His prime is over. I don't see why badminton is not in Lin Dan's blood. I can feel it when I watch him playing againt every top player. Every move and every dive he made is not for fun.

[darenong]

If both LD and TH is 100% fit. My bet goes to TH. LD will always play the same game no matter which opponent. TH only can perform when he is fully fit and concerntrating(no bad lines no crappy stuff happening). To beat LD i think the only way is to beat his stamina n his strenght capability ... that is ... to be more fit and more faster on court than he is or skillfully threatening to his physical capabilites (which I think it's TH;s advantage !!)

Just my opinions bro ... I stand to be corrected ! cheers ! :D

[Dreamzz]

ahahaha, i think you guys will find that indra is somewhat less than totally impartial!
:)

[JaCk™]

Between Lin Dan and Taufik, my vote goes to Taufik. I believe he has the momentum to defend his gold medal.

[brady6]

If Taufik tightens the lose screws in his brains, he should win it. He's too much of a nutcase to show how great he really is.

[Loppy]

Lin Dan will probably win it, the chinese players all have similar skills, but Lin Dan is faster and more powerful than the others. I'd like Taufik to win, he plays with more flair and unpredictability than anyone else, and if he is on form with his net play, he's pretty much unbeatable. However, Taufik may not be as motivated since he's already won it once, whereas Lin Dan knows that this is probably going to be his best ever opportunity to win the Olypics.

[Joyous]

Every good player has his strength & weakness & TH & LD are no exceptions. In a competiton, it's the ability to exploit the weakness of your opponent and maximising your own strength that will make the player come out on top of his opponent.
Having said that, there are still other contenders like CJ, BCL, LCW, PG and even S. Santoso. As PG once said, it's the small things that will make a difference between a winner and a loser when good players are pit together.

[OneToughBirdie]

With LCW confidence in tatters, PG aging, TH having to face high rank players early in the rounds, with home court advantage and possibly game fixing, I would be silly not to bet on LD to win gold, afterall he is the best at the moment. I still maintain the only players capable of beating him, if allowed to, are his teammates, especially CJ and CH if Ch plays in OLY. Then again, I would not envy LD position as the overall favorite...the one to beat...and the pressure and huge high expectation from CHN fans. Talking about pressure!!!;)

[Joyous]

Game fixing...??? When the competition is at this level, my opinion is no. There is too much at stake to do this sort of thing.

[Robbo77]

Yes when LD lost so badly in the 2004 Olympics it was the pressure and he choked. Now 4 years later he is much more mature and will be able to handle the pressure and the people's expectation, even if it is in his hometown.

I think Taufik though the best when all his cylinders are firing, has lost motivation to succeed. He has already got the world and olympic titles and knows in his heart he is better than anyone else. He has lost the fitness and eagerness now and this is what makes him mentally weak (like letting bad line calls mess him up). I do not think he can come back and win any big tournament anymore due to this unfortunately.

Lin Dan though not as skillful, simply has the speed and power and motivation/mental discipline to succeed consistently. I too would love a good rivalry between two countries rather than China dominating so much.

[hosuho]

The beijing game is still quite far and anything can happen look at the singapore open Thailand Bosak can beat anybody

[cooler]

come 2008, i dun think TH is a threat to LD. If LCW maintain his current form like in 07 IO, I would say boonsak,PG and lcw are the only non chinese opponents that could jeopardize LD's goal. For LYB china has 3 chances for a MS gold from bcl, chen jin or LD. However, base on how much LD had accomplished, he deserve a OG gold
As of writing, all the chinese MS olympic contestants (CJ, BCL, LD) have beaten TH before and shouldn't be jinked comes 2008 OG

[awkohwee]

Lee Chong Wei for Gold.:cool:

[robin7]

Who can challenge him? LCW is no longer a threat. TH is in good mood less than 10% of the time. PD is a year older. BCL can't beat LD. CJ's skill is not at LD's level yet - and LYB may ask CJ to give LD the gold. I will bet everything on LD. :)

It's very hard to say at this moment. Out of 6 tournaments so far, only 2 won by Lin Dan, the rest by Peter Gade, Chen Jin, Boonsak Ponsana and Lee Chong Wei each respectively. Taufik, on the other still yet to win a title this year but will usually peform well in big occasions.

Anyway, I would say LD, LCW, TH and PG are among the favorites to win in Beijing.

[tjl_vanguard]

we might see a repeat of 2005 WC semifinals.. tat'll be great... maybe with LCW or PG going into finals this time hahah :D

[hosuho]

In badminton you can't say that you be beaten and I can see everyone can be champion :crying:

[hosuho]

In badminton you can't say that you be beaten and I can see everyone can be champion :crying:

[BadFrank]

In my opinion,

There are 4 players that can hope for the gold, and i'll bet you anything that it's gonna be one of them who wins.

We have :

Lin Dan
Lee Chong Wei
Taufik Hidayat
Peter Gade

The first two are currently at their prime
As for TH and PG, OG2008 will probably be their last tournament so they will be playing at the maximum of their capacities, which is the level of LD and LCW.

Personnally, I am hoping for a TH vs PG final where Peter wins the gold, Taufik finishes happy second, and Lin Dan gets a bronze medal to wait for the 2012 olympics.

[taufik-ist]

In my opinion,

There are 4 players that can hope for the gold, and i'll bet you anything that it's gonna be one of them who wins.

We have :

Lin Dan
Lee Chong Wei
Taufik Hidayat
Peter Gade

The first two are currently at their prime
As for TH and PG, OG2008 will probably be their last tournament so they will be playing at the maximum of their capacities, which is the level of LD and LCW.

Personnally, I am hoping for a TH vs PG final where Peter wins the gold, Taufik finishes happy second, and Lin Dan gets a bronze medal to wait for the 2012 olympics.

he..he i will agree with you if the score is 30:29,29:30,30:29, LD must win the Olympic 2008, in 2012 he will be 'old' (28), and LYB will 'dump' him like chen hong :)

[koo_fan]

Ld will not be in his best condition in olympic 08.thats what im hoping for.and LCW will be in the top.Is it fair???.well 4 me yes.

[samuel882]

Yeah.. After LD dominating world Badminton for such a long period. its about time for others to shine.. Not only LCW; we hopes to see PG/TH or even Boonsak from countries out of CHN to success in this OG..
Afterall; OG its a games of world spirits; its will be glad to see Badminton players frm all over the world share the price.

[Shiryu]

IMHO, not to take away any credit from LD's part, I doubt that he will be able to win the gold medal. The amount of pressure from the team and the country is huge, even now, more than a year before the tournament starts.

I really don't like the way Chinese media build up a 'hype' on their players, it's one thing to be supportive, another to give the people false promises.

[staples]

In my opinion,

There are 4 players that can hope for the gold, and i'll bet you anything that it's gonna be one of them who wins.

We have :

Lin Dan
Lee Chong Wei
Taufik Hidayat
Peter Gade

The first two are currently at their prime
As for TH and PG, OG2008 will probably be their last tournament so they will be playing at the maximum of their capacities, which is the level of LD and LCW.

Personnally, I am hoping for a TH vs PG final where Peter wins the gold, Taufik finishes happy second, and Lin Dan gets a bronze medal to wait for the 2012 olympics.

You forgot Chen Jin in your list. :) He has a good chance to win too. PG will be lucky if he gets a bronze medal.

[ants]

He is going to be a favourite to win the GOLD. But can he handle the PRESSURE?

[RSLdude]

Lee Chong Wei will be the dark horse . . .

[bic33]

as of the previous tournaments.. i already don't consider LCW as the dark horse.. i must say that he has become a favorite.. :)

[amaze]

I really don't like the way Chinese media build up a 'hype' on their players, it's one thing to be supportive, another to give the people false promises.[/quote]

There's one way the Russians, I think, used to train their gymnasts for the Olympics. The athletes were encouraged to play the same scene again and again in their minds - how they do their routine, how they do the winning landing and how they go up the podium to receive their gold medals. This would spur them to do even better and when the time came, they'd just perform it as if its any other routine as they have already played the same scene in their minds countless times that these moments have become accustomed and familiar to them....

Pressure is thus lessened.... Can the badminton players do the same ?

Imagine beating your opponent, whoever your foe is and .... STAND ON THE PODIUM FOR GOLD !;)

[danlegie]

hate my self!!!!!!!!!

[RSLdude]

as of the previous tournaments.. i already don't consider LCW as the dark horse.. i must say that he has become a favorite.. :)

yes i guess you're right on this. the last time i saw LCW play (via satellite) was the sudirman cup when LCW faced Kenneth Jonassen and he literally outclassed Jonassen in 2 sets. that's remarkable!

[fastdrop]

yes i guess you're right on this. the last time i saw LCW play (via satellite) was the sudirman cup when LCW faced Kenneth Jonassen and he literally outclassed Jonassen in 2 sets. that's remarkable!

It went to Glasgow to watch the Sudirman Cup and it was LCW who destroyed China's would be perfect score. The perpect score for each group is 15. China's scored 14 because LCW defeated LIN DAN in the Men's single.
I got the chance to talk to LCW in several occasions and I found him a very shy and humble person despite his amazing talent. The man is a true winner.
He speaks English and Mandarin.:)

[zqloy]

Its kinda interesting to see LCW gained a couple of Philippines fans due to his amazing performance in Glasgow :)

[RSLdude]

It went to Glasgow to watch the Sudirman Cup and it was LCW who destroyed China's would be perfect score. The perpect score for each group is 15. China's scored 14 because LCW defeated LIN DAN in the Men's single.
I got the chance to talk to LCW in several occasions and I found him a very shy and humble person despite his amazing talent. The man is a true winner.
He speaks English and Mandarin.:)

go for you man! :)

[OneToughBirdie]

In my opinion,

There are 4 players that can hope for the gold, and i'll bet you anything that it's gonna be one of them who wins.

We have :

Lin Dan
Lee Chong Wei
Taufik Hidayat
Peter Gade

The first two are currently at their prime
As for TH and PG, OG2008 will probably be their last tournament so they will be playing at the maximum of their capacities, which is the level of LD and LCW.

Personnally, I am hoping for a TH vs PG final where Peter wins the gold, Taufik finishes happy second, and Lin Dan gets a bronze medal to wait for the 2012 olympics.

I do not share your predicition of PG winning OLY in any medals, hope you can prove me wrong...as for LD, it is OLY08 or over...2012 LD would not be around, not because he is not good, but the next wave of CHN MS players are coming up.

[cooler]

I do not share your predicition of PG winning OLY in any medals, hope you can prove me wrong...as for LD, it is OLY08 or over...2012 LD would not be around, not because he is not good, but the next wave of CHN MS players are coming up.

lol,not because of that, LD is getting marry after 08 OG.
i hope LD make the 08 OG title as a wedding gift to xxf and vice versa.
Forget the gold rings, at their wedding vow, they exchange OG gold medals instead:D LOL

[OneToughBirdie]

lol,not because of that, LD is getting marry after 08 OG.
i hope LD make the 08 OG title as a wedding gift to xxf and vice versa.
Forget the gold rings, at their wedding vow, they exchange OG gold medals instead:D LOL
Cooler...you have inside scoop of LD marrying XXF??? How about XXF pull a GL stunt, dump LD and bugger of with a rich bloke....hahaha!!! LOL!!:p:p:D:D

[Felicia_txh]

I read an article bout LD in newspaper today..Here is the summary of the article..
LD,world no.1 has shown his ability to get the gold medal in Olympic wif his superb technique n skill..however,he is lack of calmness during the competition..his emotion n hot-temper is a barrier for him to get the gold medal!!

LD started his badminton training when he was 5 years old n joined China National team when he was 18years old..His attack is sharp and fast..he struggled for every point..

Now,TH n LCW are his strongest opponents..If LCW can maintain his current form til next year,the chance for LD to get gold will be slimmer..TH,an experienced n excellent player..

[koo_fan]

I read an article bout LD in newspaper today..Here is the summary of the article..
LD,world no.1 has shown his ability to get the gold medal in Olympic wif his superb technique n skill..however,he is lack of calmness during the competition..his emotion n hot-temper is a barrier for him to get the gold medal!!

LD started his badminton training when he was 5 years old n joined China National team when he was 18years old..His attack is sharp and fast..he struggled for every point..

Now,TH n LCW are his strongest opponents..If LCW can maintain his current form til next year,the chance for LD to get gold will be slimmer..TH,an experienced n excellent player..
'lack of calmness' and 'emotion n hot-tempered' are always become a part of this guy.But he's still in the top.makes me wonder.what is so special about this player???
When he lose in a game,it is just bcoz of luck and his bad day.
Whatever it is,JIA YU my lovely LCW.Im in ur side.

[fastdrop]

I would like LCW to win. Not because he is a better badminton player but because he has all the qualities of a true winner both inside and outside the court. I have seen him play many times, saw him won, saw him lost. He is still as calm as a deep river. No complaints, no arrogance. I guess it's his character that make him a true winner. More power to you. Hope fame will not change you. :)

[RSLdude]

I would like LCW to win. Not because he is a better badminton player but because he has all the qualities of a true winner both inside and outside the court. I have seen him play many times, saw him won, saw him lost. He is still as calm as a deep river. No complaints, no arrogance. I guess it's his character that make him a true winner. More power to you. Hope fame will not change you. :)

I prefer LCW over LD simply because he deserves to be #1 this time. I am still hoping TH can still strive to enter the top 5 but it seems he doesn't have the right motivation to get there anymore. Peter Gade and Jonassen have already reached their prime and the rest of the players in the top 10 show signs of inconsistencies like Bao Chunlai and Cheng Hong, so I sthink LCW has the best chances of dethroning LD in the #1 spot. ;)

[koo_fan]

I prefer LCW over LD simply because he deserves to be #1 this time. I am still hoping TH can still strive to enter the top 5 but it seems he doesn't have the right motivation to get there anymore. Peter Gade and Jonassen have already reached their prime and the rest of the players in the top 10 show signs of inconsistencies like Bao Chunlai and Cheng Hong, so I sthink LCW has the best chances of dethroning LD in the #1 spot. ;)
hey !talk about ur philipininos too Rsldude.i would like to know about ur players.

[laonong]

It went to Glasgow to watch the Sudirman Cup and it was LCW who destroyed China's would be perfect score. The perpect score for each group is 15. China's scored 14 because LCW defeated LIN DAN in the Men's single.
I got the chance to talk to LCW in several occasions and I found him a very shy and humble person despite his amazing talent. The man is a true winner.
He speaks English and Mandarin.:)

so you prefer shy and humble winner. but that does not mean other types of player is not true winner.

[laonong]

I prefer LCW over LD simply because he deserves to be #1 this time. I am still hoping TH can still strive to enter the top 5 but it seems he doesn't have the right motivation to get there anymore. Peter Gade and Jonassen have already reached their prime and the rest of the players in the top 10 show signs of inconsistencies like Bao Chunlai and Cheng Hong, so I sthink LCW has the best chances of dethroning LD in the #1 spot. ;)

LCW beat LD at sudiman cup then he lost to LD later. what makes you so sure that LCW can beat LD this time?

[samuel882]

LCW beat LD at sudiman cup then he lost to LD later. what makes you so sure that LCW can beat LD this time?

MAyb a simple circle here .. Win --> Lost --> Win again.. :D:D

[koo_fan]

Lcw is in his best condition now.At this stage, no one can beat him.Thats the expanation.I hope this will last until the Wc at least.

[Felicia_txh]

Lcw is in his best condition now.At this stage, no one can beat him.Thats the expanation.I hope this will last until the Wc at least.
I hope he can maintain his current form forever until he retire..at least until OG 2008!!:)

[fastdrop]

so you prefer shy and humble winner. but that does not mean other types of player is not true winner.

For me yes!!! Don't limit the definition of winner by just winning the game. A true winner can accept defeat gracefully, it's how you play the game. :)
For me the character of a player makes him a true winner. That's my opinion, you're entitled to yours.:rolleyes:

[RSLdude]

For me yes!!! Don't limit the definition of winner by just winning the game. A true winner can accept defeat gracefully, it's how you play the game. :)
For me the character of a player makes him a true winner. That's my opinion, you're entitled to yours.:rolleyes:

I agree with you Fastdrop! :)

[cooler]

http://www.canada.com/vancouversun/news/sports/story.html?id=4aae159c-0573-4d71-938f-c5a20ec64bb5&p=2

LD is one of the great 8 chineses to watch in 08 OG
----------------------
LIN DAN, BADMINTON
Lin has dominated men's badminton since 2004, being ranked No. 1 in the world and has earned the nickname "Super Lin Dan." He was the No. 1 seed at the Athens Games, but was upset in the first round.
Perhaps a better indication of his prominence in the sport: YouTube is littered with videos of Lin in action.

[cao ci dan]

Lin Dan is a very extraordinary player.
:) Should be a no problem then! LIN DAN for GOLD! :D

[pjswift]

http://www.canada.com/vancouversun/news/sports/story.html?id=4aae159c-0573-4d71-938f-c5a20ec64bb5&p=2

LD is one of the great 8 chineses to watch in 08 OG
----------------------
LIN DAN, BADMINTON
Lin has dominated men's badminton since 2004, being ranked No. 1 in the world and has earned the nickname "Super Lin Dan." He was the No. 1 seed at the Athens Games, but was upset in the first round.
Perhaps a better indication of his prominence in the sport: YouTube is littered with videos of Lin in action.
Don't use the word 'littered' , cooler. You're implying Lin's videos are rubbish!

[pjswift]

http://www.canada.com/vancouversun/news/sports/story.html?id=4aae159c-0573-4d71-938f-c5a20ec64bb5&p=2

LD is one of the great 8 chineses to watch in 08 OG
----------------------
LIN DAN, BADMINTON
Lin has dominated men's badminton since 2004, being ranked No. 1 in the world and has earned the nickname "Super Lin Dan." He was the No. 1 seed at the Athens Games, but was upset in the first round.
Perhaps a better indication of his prominence in the sport: YouTube is littered with videos of Lin in action.
Don't use the word 'littered' , cooler. You're implying Lin's videos are rubbish!

[cooler]

Don't use the word 'littered' , cooler. You're implying Lin's videos are rubbish!It wasn't me:D, it was a quote from that news article

[pjswift]

It wasn't me:D, it was a quote from that news article
Ok, it wasn't you. But when you use it to make your point, it means you concur.

[Joyous]

Proving its medal

China's rise to sporting prominence stuns many observers


Don McGowan, CanWest News Service

Published: Wednesday, August 08, 2007
WANG XU, WOMEN'S WRESTLING
While she was a 19-year-old high school student, Wang won the gold medal in the 72-kilogram freestyle event at Athens in 2004. Along the way, she posted one of the Games' great upsets, defeating five-time world champion Kyoko Hamaguchi of Japan in the semifinals.
XIN WANG, DIVING
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Xin Wang completed China's perfect score in the diving competition at the 2006 Asian Games by winning gold in the women's 10-metre platform. Xin headlines a Chinese diving team that has swept the last nine Asian Games diving competitions.
LIN DAN, BADMINTON
Lin has dominated men's badminton since 2004, being ranked No. 1 in the world and has earned the nickname "Super Lin Dan." He was the No. 1 seed at the Athens Games, but was upset in the first round.
Perhaps a better indication of his prominence in the sport: YouTube is littered with videos of Lin in action.



Cooler, is this where you got it?

[cooler]

double posted.........

[cooler]

Ok, it wasn't you. But when you use it to make your point, it means you concur.

No problem, yes, i concurred. Not only that, I call and raise u.

In youtube search, 'taufik' yielded 876 video clips while a 'lin dan' search yielded 206 video clips. A 'lee chong wei' search yielded a whopping 1,280 video clips. I guess taufik and lcw have more rubbish videos LOL:p

[cooler]

Proving its medal

China's rise to sporting prominence stuns many observers


Don McGowan, CanWest News Service

LIN DAN, BADMINTON
Lin has dominated men's badminton since 2004, being ranked No. 1 in the world and has earned the nickname "Super Lin Dan." He was the No. 1 seed at the Athens Games, but was upset in the first round.
Perhaps a better indication of his prominence in the sport: YouTube is littered with videos of Lin in action.



Cooler, is this where you got it?yup..............

[suzhoutudou123]

LD will win the OG2008 Gold

[staples]

LD will win the OG2008 Gold

I don't think he has any competition if he plays at his max.
Yes he'll win Gold next year.
Since there's no WC he can focus all his energy for the OG and perhaps go for another AE title as well. :)

[Baderz_Jas]

Lin Dan should win OG08 Gold if he continues like this! :) And he's gona be the first No.1 seed to win the OG! :D

[koo_fan]

Lin Dan should win OG08 Gold if he continues like this! :) And he's gona be the first No.1 seed to win the OG! :D
Dont be so sure.look at malaysians.We keep saying our LCW will win: all that based on current performance and homeground advantage.See what happen?
we have to face the fact now however.

[Jinky]

well..we'll see when the time comes...the person will win if he/she deserves it...

[fastdrop]

Lin Dan should win OG08 Gold if he continues like this! :) And he's gona be the first No.1 seed to win the OG! :D

No one can be sure about winning. Like other sports, there are upsets. Lin Dan had lost in early round in other tournaments. He may be world no. 1 and will surely be in the top seed but actually winning the game is another thing. :)

[staples]

No one can be sure about winning. Like other sports, there are upsets. Lin Dan had lost in early round in other tournaments. He may be world no. 1 and will surely be in the top seed but actually winning the game is another thing. :)

Lin Dan has the strongest mental ability of all. He'll surely want to avenge for his early exit from OG 2004 and has learned a lot of humility since that loss. I don't see anybody being able to challenge him fully on a regular basis as he seems to always have an extra gear in reserve.

[huangkwokhau]

Lin Dan has the strongest mental ability of all. He'll surely want to avenge for his early exit from OG 2004 and has learned a lot of humility since that loss. I don't see anybody being able to challenge him fully on a regular basis as he seems to always have an extra gear in reserve.


There will be many players to challenge LD next year.....I dare not to predict MS for Olympics....everyone will fight to death...as Gold medal = big reward of the lifetime....:D:D I can say all MS players have a shot to get gold medals....there is no sure thing in MS category.....

[Green72(CAN)]

I think Lin Dan has a very small chance at winning gold, although even this small chance could be bigger than the chances of most other players ;)

[well-son]

I think Lin Dan has a very small chance at winning gold, although even this small chance could be bigger than the chances of most other players ;)

There is no guarantee for Lin Dan to win the gold medal, and no guarantee for any other players to win the gold, either. But still Lin is the favourite to get it rather than others.

Yup, I believe Lin has bigger chance than any other players, though the chance is very small as Lin has been beaten by so many players, good players and "second-class" players. The threat will not only come from TH or LCW, but also BP, SDK, PG, SS, KJ, PSH, and many more as well as from his compatriots.

Today, Lin is not the only king in MS, and every player wants to beat or even eat him :D;)

[OneToughBirdie]

Today, Lin is not the only king in MS, and every player wants to beat or even eat him :D;)
I did not know baddy players are cannibals...hahaha! :p:D;)

[well-son]

why not? Lin's meat is very fresh cos hi is still young (24), and with his nice muscle... it's delicious :D:D:D

Just kidding, dont take it seriously ;)

[Maximum]

Haha... LD is a player that every1 wants to beat... Beating him is better than winning a gold medal... Haha... But I'm sure LD can prevent that fr happening...

[Felicia_txh]

Haha... LD is a player that every1 wants to beat... Beating him is better than winning a gold medal... Haha... But I'm sure LD can prevent that fr happening...
I don think so..Winning a gold medal is more proud than defeat LD..Many players had defeated LD b4,so defeated LD doesn't mean u r world no.1....:)

[Maximum]

u can see some players who beat hime last time... they were so happy as though they have won the WC... and when da person eventualy won that tournament, he was not as happy as when he beat LD... Maybe some MS player come to play jus to beat LD n not 4 the gold...

[samuel882]

u can see some players who beat hime last time... they were so happy as though they have won the WC... and when da person eventualy won that tournament, he was not as happy as when he beat LD... Maybe some MS player come to play jus to beat LD n not 4 the gold...
If you are a baddy players, what is your choice between beats LD & winning the Olympics Gold :cool: :D:D

[Maximum]

hmmm... i'm a big fan of LD... If i get to play against him, i think i will let him win EVEN IF i can beat him... Haha.. i respect him...

[pjswift]

u can see some players who beat hime last time... they were so happy as though they have won the WC... and when da person eventualy won that tournament, he was not as happy as when he beat LD... Maybe some MS player come to play jus to beat LD n not 4 the gold...
It's the same with LD. After LCW lost to him in the CM sf, LD celebrated as if he had won the title. Which was not wrong because WCH's just a formality for him to lift the title.Top players know who their real rivals are;the rankings don't tell the truth.

[Smichz]

hmmm...LD tends to have a mental problem during a big match.He couldn't finish like he supposed to.He'll tend to make unforced errors.That happends few times before.So,i guess,if he haven't take care of that mental of his,i'm sure TH would be the winner.As we know,TH is a player who got so hot n plays his best in big matches.

But we can't forget the other strong opponents as well..like LCW,BCL,CJ.I think they r also could be the great threat for those 2.

Who's the winner?Whoever can play their best during their games...n of course,bring a steel-hard mental along..

[koo_fan]

It's the same with LD. After LCW lost to him in the CM sf, LD celebrated as if he had won the title. Which was not wrong because WCH's just a formality for him to lift the title.Top players know who their real rivals are;the rankings don't tell the truth.

so,the biggest rival for ld is lcw?funny thing coz chen hong said the same thing..is that coincidental..it might be a strategy to put the pressure on lcw..all alone..


hmmm... i'm a big fan of LD... If i get to play against him, i think i will let him win EVEN IF i can beat him... Haha.. i respect him...

waah..maximum..u have my respect..let go ur chance to create havoc in badminton proffesional world just because of lindan..
hmm.thats quite amazing..a sacrifice from a fan..im so touched

[Elixau]

I think Lin Dan can get the gold medal.
One question, what's the advantage of playing at your own country?

[Tommy Susanto]

Lin Dan can only get a silver medal, gold medal belongs to Kendrick Lee of SIN:(:o:confused::):crying::p

[jump_smash]

Olympics is to unpredictable, the number of top ranked players that are lost early on, eg Sydney and Athens. After all, Lin Dan lost in the first round of Athens to Ronald, who he had met four times before, holding a 3-1 lead. He will be under a lot of pressure, especially on home soil. More likely will be a player like Chen Jin. My hope is for Peter!

[Zealous]

I won't be suprise if Lin Dan wins it. But we can't say anything now. Anything can happen next year. Maybe players get injuries before this Olympics 2008. I'm not jinxing them ok ? :D But hopefully Chong Wei will win it.

[babystar]

i hope TH will win...

[bananakid]

Lin Dan's biggest threat in the past has always been Chen Hong. Chen Hong was the one with the most impressive head to head record against Lin Dan until the end of 2006. Since Chen Hong probably can't play in OG08 + he is not playing well lately, so not much of a problem for Lin Dan it seems. During 2007, only 2 players had beaten Lin Dan twice... and they are LCW, and Park of Korea. With the best winning record recently, Lin Dan definitely is the favorite of winning any tournament as long as he plays to his usual standard or above. However, anything can happen... and we will never know until then.

[Temasek Green]

Lin Dan is a very extraordinary player. What can you guys say about the pressure on him on winning the gold for china?isn't he made to capture that gold?

Hold on a bit...LD is not yet pressure resistant, he may falter due to pressure e.g 2006 doha-vs. Taufik..., 2005 world championship-vs. Taufik...these things are concrete examples of his instability during bigbig tournaments. with these given facts, can you say that he can take the gold?

What are the skills he should improve on?net?
what are the steps he should take for him to complete and finish his career in fashion?

If the linesman from China,and the bad line call which is the '"evil in badminton" keep on repeating , then Lin Dan can win.

[Wildstone]

I think Lin Dan can get the gold medal.
One question, what's the advantage of playing at your own country?

I don't know about other countries, but if in China the players get this advantage:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kEc19cg-Ts

The video says all.

[phaarix]

I think Lin Dan has much less of a problem now in big tournaments... it was more a problem of the past :). Even in Doha... the pressure was definitely a factor... but not a huge factor. After all, both of the matches between the two in the team stages were very close... and could have gone either way. And the same applied to the individual final. It was a much different story to the way he lost in 2005.

[bananakid]

What a bunch of cry babies...:rolleyes:
Bad line calls happen all the time, and it happens in every single tournament and every single country.
Malaysia Open 2006, the 1st set of the final between LD and LCW, and the first point after halfway interval was so obviously a bad call favoring LCW... so did LD cry about bad line calls, especially since he lost the match at the end?

Get over it, babies.:rolleyes:

And some fans always blame others for their idols' loss. To make matter worse, Statistic shows that so far, LCW has made excuses towards all 3 of his loss to Bao ChunLai so far... either he claimed about "pressure, injury, or bad line calls"...Talk about leading by example.:eek: To me, that is worse than winning at all cost... this is about excuses making after each failure which is why LCW stands no chance of winning anything big.

What else do you guys need to whine about next? match fixing? or the fact that most likely China will have more players participating in each event that most other countries?:rolleyes:

[Wildstone]

What a bunch of cry babies...:rolleyes:
Bad line calls happen all the time, and it happens in every single tournament and every single country.
Malaysia Open 2006, the 1st set of the final between LD and LCW, and the first point after halfway interval was so obviously a bad call favoring LCW... so did LD cry about bad line calls, especially since he lost the match at the end?

Get over it, babies.:rolleyes:

And some fans always blame others for their idols' loss. To make matter worse, Statistic shows that so far, LCW has made excuses towards all 3 of his loss to Bao ChunLai so far... either he claimed about "pressure, injury, or bad line calls"...Talk about leading by example.:eek: To me, that is worse than winning at all cost... this is about excuses making after each failure which is why LCW stands no chance of winning anything big.

What else do you guys need to whine about next? match fixing? or the fact that most likely China will have more players participating in each event that most other countries?:rolleyes:

As much as I agree with the bad line call in Malaysia Open 2006, it's undeniable that in China the judges' unfairness is so obvious. For the record, LD won the first set in MO 2006 where the bad line call occurred. He lost the second set, and in the third set he was leading 20-13. He has himself to blame in losing the title. What's he gonna say - "If the line call were called 'in' in the first set, I would have won" ??

[bananakid]

As much as I agree with the bad line call in Malaysia Open 2006, it's undeniable that in China the judges' unfairness is so obvious. For the record, LD won the first set in MO 2006 where the bad line call occurred. He lost the second set, and in the third set he was leading 20-13. He has himself to blame in losing the title. What's he gonna say - "If the line call were called 'in' in the first set, I would have won" ??

For the record, Lin Dan lost the 1st set(21-18 to LCW) when the bad line call happened... do some research before making a claim.

[Tommy Susanto]

For the record, Lin Dan lost the 1st set(21-18 to LCW) when the bad line call happened... do some research before making a claim.
You are saying, bad line call happened at china open:confused:but it is acceptable:Dcause you are talking about a big giant:p

[bananakid]

You are saying, bad line call happened at china open:confused:but it is acceptable:Dcause you are talking about a big giant:p

Which part of the message you quote me on, gave you that idea?... you have amazing reading skill that I admire.:eek:

[Wildstone]

For the record, Lin Dan lost the 1st set(21-18 to LCW) when the bad line call happened... do some research before making a claim.

Yeah sorry my bad, I thought LCW won the first set. Anyways, LD has himself to blame for losing that match, he was leading 20-13 on the last set. Point is, China has much more bias line calls and if you read some articles, some line judges claim that they got direct order from the superior to be 'bias'. What a shame.

[Oldhand]

Ahem... this thread is about Lin Dan's prospects at the Beijing Olympics ;)

[bananakid]

If people say that any player other than Lin Dan has a chance at the Beijing gold, can they ever provide one single reason why they don't believe Lin Dan, the most consistent player for the past 3-4 years and winner of 2 World Championships doesn't have what it takes to win in Beijing??? I would be glad to hear any kind of answer being back up by a "logical" reason and not an emotional one like "LCW is the best or something like that"

[Wildstone]

If people say that people other than Lin Dan has a chance at the Beijing gold, can they ever provide one single reason why they don't believe Lin Dan, the most consistent player for the past 3-4 years and winner of 2 World Championships doesn't have what it takes to win in Beijing??? I would be glad to hear any kind of answer being back up by a "logical" reason and not an emotional one like "LCW is the best or something like that".

In terms of consistencies, I agree with you that LD is the best. I would agree that he has a better chance than anyone else to get a gold in Olympic.

[bananakid]

Yeah sorry my bad, I thought LCW won the first set. Anyways, LD has himself to blame for losing that match, he was leading 20-13 on the last set. Point is, China has much more bias line calls and if you read some articles, some line judges claim that they got direct order from the superior to be 'bias'. What a shame.

It is just that more attention is being placed on bad line calls made in China. Honestly, there was obvious bad calls in Indo open 06 where Taufik was playing against Chen Yu, and also in the finals with Taufik and Bao... in both cases, the calls were favoring Taufik... but somehow most people don't remember them. I have got the proof if you doubt me.

Even in the recent Cop.Masters in Denmark, where Gade played against Kenneth, there were bad calls... so anyone suggest that there is a reason or order for the judges to be bias?

Where is the proof of line judges getting order from "above" to be bias in the final of China open? I know some were bad calls, but you can't just make a claim of "bias line call orders from above" without any proof whatsoever.

[eaglehelang]

2) It is just that more attention is being placed on bad line calls made in China. Honestly, there was obvious bad calls in Indo open 06 where Taufik was playing against Chen Yu, and also in the finals with Taufik and Bao... in both cases, the calls were favoring Taufik... but somehow most people don't remember them. I have got the proof if you doubt me.

Even in the recent Cop.Masters in Denmark, where Gade played against Kenneth, there were bad calls... so anyone suggest that there is a reason or order for the judges to be bias?

1) Where is the proof of line judges getting order from "above" to be bias in the final of China open? I know some were bad calls, but you can't just make a claim of "bias line call orders from above" without any proof whatsoever.

1) What Wildstone posted was according to what was published in China's press. If you read the China Open threads, there was a Guang Dong linesman who came forward to China's press. This linesman/Guang Dong Official said they were ordered to give favour to China players. When they didnt want to comply, they were replaced. The fact this guy had the boldness to come out and say it,makes one think doesnt it?

As for hard core proof, of course there isnt any video recording, voice recording, or memo stating such order, there never is. It would be the Guang Dong official's word against China main team, whether it's true or not, one has to judge for oneself.
In any case, when this story broke, added fuel to the controversy.

2) The comparision with other tournaments is- in China Open it was more rampant - in all departments involving China's players. Why then would Korea's top MD walk out near the end of 3rd set? And the call against Thai XD (Sudket/Saralee) in Semi against China XD? And of course the famous bad line calls against LCW in MS Finals against BCL. And these were others in earlier rounds.
The details has been discussed ad nauseum in China Open threads.

Plus, "bad line call" thing also happened during China Masters, but lesser extent. Plus, how come no complaints during World Champs in KL ?

China's fans themselves are also embarassed & angry it happened - damaging to the sports & China's image. They should have every right to comment what happens in their country, right?

2) a) PG against KJ is own countrymen against each other, no one bothers about that. During Macau Open also, commentator also felt umpire harsh to give yellow card to LWW for delaying tactics. But umpire let KKK/TBH discuss tactics, seem to favour them little bit more, for whatever reason only umpire knows. But that's just Msia vs Msia, no one brings it up after that.

And - since next year's OG is in China, everyone is worried same scenario will happen since linesman will be from local, only umpire, service judge are International. Hence the heightened anxiety.

And to be back on topic(sorry, sorry, uncle Oldhand) Lin Dan is a smart player. If he can withstand the pressure of playing on homeground, he has best chance of clinching the the OG gold.

[bananakid]

1) What Wildstone posted was according to what was published in China's press. If you read the China Open threads, there was a Guang Dong linesman who came forward to China's press. This linesman/Guang Dong Official said they were ordered to give favour to China players. When they didnt want to comply, they were replaced. The fact this guy had the boldness to come out and say it,makes one think doesnt it?

As for hard core proof, of course there isnt any video recording, voice recording, or memo stating such order, there never is. It would be the Guang Dong official's word against China main team, whether it's true or not, one has to judge for oneself.
In any case, when this story broke, added fuel to the controversy.

2) The comparision with other tournaments is- in China Open it was more rampant - in all departments involving China's players. Why then would Korea's top MD walk out near the end of 3rd set? And the call against Thai XD (Sudket/Saralee) in Semi against China XD? And of course the famous bad line calls against LCW in MS Finals against BCL. And these were others in earlier rounds.
The details has been discussed ad nauseum in China Open threads.

Plus, "bad line call" thing also happened during China Masters, but lesser extent. Plus,how come no complaints during World Champs in KL ?

In the China Masters, In some cases, the so-called controversial calls may be justified in China... eg. Kido's serves... if you watch him serve, his racket is obviously quite high and really testing the limit... to be honest, and as unbiased as I can be, I would definitely call a fault on his serves at least 1/3 times(Kido and Candra's serves are the most controversial in my book.)

China's fans themselves are also embarassed & angry it happened - damaging to the sports & China's image. They should have every right to comment what happens in their country, right?

They are watching the match from so far away... how can they possibly be making the right judgment or see the action better than people on court side? or even worse, they are watching it from TV or reading it from newspaper... so really their opinions are not worthy as evidence or proofs. Although, I do not doubt that at some point of some matches, there were obviously favorable calls toward China.

2) a) PG against KJ is own countrymen against each other, no one bothers about that. During Macau Open also, commentator also felt umpire harsh to give yellow card to LWW for delaying tactics. But umpire let KKK/TBH discuss tactics, seem to favour them little bit more, for whatever reason only umpire knows. But that's just Msia vs Msia, no one brings it up after that.

So, when people are from the same country, then line judges or umpire can now free to make bad calls, and nobody will give a crap? You guys talk about fairness, but once it is not a battle between 2 different countries, then all the "wrongs" can be viewed as a "right"?

And - since next year's OG is in China, everyone is worried same scenario will happen since linesman will be from local, only umpire, service judge are International. Hence the heightened anxiety.

And to be back on topic(sorry, sorry, uncle Oldhand) Lin Dan is a smart player. If he can withstand the pressure of playing on homeground, he has best chance of clinching the the OG gold.



If we put the line call controversies aside, and just look at the tournament which you named to have "great" if not "perfect" judgment from all officials(World Championship 07 in KL), and look at the result of it... Does that answer the question that is being discussed in this thread? Of course Lin Dan "Can" win the Beijing Olympics... only question is "Will he win it?".

The only unfortunate thing is that the event is being held in China, and most likely if Lin Dan does win the title, there will be plenty of people going to discredit his win with things like "he has a easy draw", "match fixing", "teammate helping", "bias line calls", and everything you can think of. On the other hand, if someone like Taufik, or LCW by chance wins it, then everyone will be like "oh my goodness, he overcomes all the odds of the Chinese line judges, breaks the great wall, and blah blah blah".:rolleyes:


I hope that's easier to read now.

[bananakid]

By the way, I like to add one more sentence to my above post...

"China ain't the country known for "fairness", and if people haven't figure that out yet, now is a good time".;)

By the way, no matter what the situation is, and who is on the other side of the court against me... I would get very angry if the umpire or line judge is favouring my opponent... but if nobody cares about it just because my opponent is from the same country as I am, I get even more angry.:mad:

[eaglehelang]

By the way, I like to add one more sentence to my above post...

"China ain't the country known for "fairness", and if people haven't figure that out yet, now is a good time".;)

By the way, no matter what the situation is, and who is on the other side of the court against me... I would get very angry if the umpire or line judge is favouring my opponent... but if nobody cares about it just because my opponent is from the same country as I am, I get even more angry.:mad:

ok,ok, I should be more clear. I said "no one bothers" cos they wont make a fuss about it in public. So, whole thing dies down.
Team mate complain about umpire/line judge in match against own team mate, it will bring undue attention to that match. Looks bad for whole team.

Yes, it may not be fair to KJ in Copenhagen, but I dont think he's about to make a fuss about it in public. Same with Macau Open - I remembered that match and feel sorry for LWW but they didnt talk about it in public.
If they did, later on, other countries can take that and make trouble saying "Umpire favour PG..., Umpire favour KKK/TBH...."

We dont know what happened behind the scenes, they could have discussed & consoled each other. I wouldnt say nobody cares - their coaches, team mates would have cared.

More angry if same country?? Hmm not me, I'll be glad my for my team mate who won, team spirit ,mah. Fair or not fair, better team mate win than other people win. Just be wary of that same umpire the next time.

[bananakid]

ok,ok, I should be more clear. I said "no one bothers" cos they wont make a fuss about it in public. So, whole thing dies down.
Team mate complain about umpire/line judge in match against own team mate, it will bring undue attention to that match. Looks bad for whole team.

Yes, it may not be fair to KJ in Copenhagen, but I dont think he's about to make a fuss about it in public. Same with Macau Open - I remembered that match and feel sorry for LWW but they didnt talk about it in public.
If they did, later on, other countries can take that and make trouble saying "Umpire favour PG..., Umpire favour KKK/TBH...."

We dont know what happened behind the scenes, they could have discussed & consoled each other. I wouldnt say nobody cares - their coaches, team mates would have cared.

More angry if same country?? Hmm not me, I'll be glad my for my team mate who won, team spirit ,mah. Fair or not fair, better team mate win than other people win. Just be wary of that same umpire the next time.

Because of the high-lighted part, I hope you are not one of the people who complain about China's team tactics, or match fixing, or whatever people like to call it.:cool:

[phaarix]

The only unfortunate thing is that the event is being held in China, and most likely if Lin Dan does win the title, there will be plenty of people going to discredit his win with things like "he has a easy draw", "match fixing", "teammate helping", "bias line calls", and everything you can think of. On the other hand, if someone like Taufik, or LCW by chance wins it, then everyone will be like "oh my goodness, he overcomes all the odds of the Chinese line judges, breaks the great wall, and blah blah blah".:rolleyes:

I've heard plenty of claims that Taufik's draw was easy in Athens! No I think most agree that Lin Dan does have what it takes for Olympics Gold. Doesn't mean he WILL get it. But he doesn't NEED an easy draw or any of those other things to win it, and anyone who disagrees is just kidding themselves... Anyway I think people will always have excuses no matter where the tournament is held. Although perhaps you're right and a little more so in this case :(.

[Oldhand]

Look folks, if you must discuss another topic, go to the appropriate thread or start another. Your creative energy is wasted when off-topic posts are deleted. ;)

Now, could we please go on to where we should be? :)

[koo_fan]

Look folks, if you must discuss another topic, go to the appropriate thread or start another. Your creative energy is wasted when off-topic posts are deleted. ;)

Now, could we please go on to where we should be? :)
yes.lindan can win the gold medal if something happen to lcw.

on-topic now?

i think oldhand,the issue is clear.they are twisting the issue in a circle.n let the discussion with no end.until they r the one who decide to end this.

in my old case,kwun closed the thread.ur action?

[gidong]

LIN DAN ?

NOT THIS TIME .................... believe me :P

[koo_fan]

LIN DAN ?

NOT THIS TIME .................... believe me :P
im hoping the same thing.

what is ur point?why?
lin dan in a good form this year.rite?

[mkwanster]

I would like to see Peter Gade win gold, but wouldn't mind Lin Dan getting it.

[cooler]

LIN DAN ?

NOT THIS TIME .................... believe me :P
pay me, then i'll believe u:p

[ctjcad]

...and would have expected LinDan would be in a quandary as he prepares for the upcoming Olympic Games.
How long, will this current controversy last for him as the Olympics nears? Will he be able to erase the current controversy behind? Or will he carry it w/him into the upcoming Olympics Games?
Time will tell and we shall see & follow how this whole drama unfolds as the time nears....Stay tuned ;):cool:

[azabaz_ipoh]

if based on his performance i believe he has a good chance of winning the OG. he is a very skillful player. very hardworking on court. so if the question is can lin dan win the beijing gold, my answer is yes, he could. but so could other players. it really depends on how they perform when the time comes. some will crumble under pressure, others will have bad draw, maybe few will have injuries. some will be a bit lucky. who knows....on paper he looks good.

however, i still hope LCW wins it. :) but that is just for my own selfish self. hahahaha :D

[Smichz]

Maybe we can give it to PG,as a farewell gift.Cos maybe this is the last olympic that he'll join.Even though it's hard,but i hope that he could win this one.Another candidate is TH..cos i know that TH is a player who would do everything in big matches,like OG.

[azabaz_ipoh]

i dont want TH to win because he has won before. but if he does then good for him. those who worked hard for their victories deserve them. :)

[Oldhand]

The Olympic Games has had a long history of producing unlikely heroes :cool:
I'd place my money on a dark horse... someone way down the rankings list.

[badMania]

The Olympic Games has had a long history of producing unlikely heroes :cool:
I'd place my money on a dark horse... someone way down the rankings list.

.... like Lee Hyun Il or Taufik Hidayat again perhaps? ;)

[george@chongwei]

if Lin Dan never over confident, im sure he will win it but i think he gets a lot of pressure as his country is the host and a must win gold medal for him,.
he must be very pressured!.

[ants]

Everyone can wins the Gold.. but sometimes it also depends on the draws and maybe some luck.

[bananakid]

If we look at the history of Olympic Mens single gold... we can observe that it has never been won by a member of that year's winning Thomas cup team. It will be interesting to see which team wins the Thomas cup this year.

[koo_fan]

thats interesrtng theory,bananakidbut i choose to stay away from that n hope for thomas cup n olympic gold medal.what is impossible in this world?

[cooler]

If we look at the history of Olympic Mens single gold... we can observe that it has never been won by a member of that year's winning Thomas cup team. It will be interesting to see which team wins the Thomas cup this year.
didnt know u r such a historian:p

[Eddex]

Malaysians all the way. Period :P

[pezai]

lin danz been in the best shape since like.. a long time ago, i'll be surprised if he doesnt get he gold medal, he deserves it

[abedeng]

didnt know u r such a historian:p

It is true though, since it is practically impossible to reach peak form twice in a 3 month period.

But this year might be different, records are meant to be broken, anyway.

[Pemuda]

Lin Dan is a very extraordinary player. What can you guys say about the pressure on him on winning the gold for china?isn't he made to capture that gold?

Hold on a bit...LD is not yet pressure resistant, he may falter due to pressure e.g 2006 doha-vs. Taufik..., 2005 world championship-vs. Taufik...these things are concrete examples of his instability during bigbig tournaments. with these given facts, can you say that he can take the gold?

What are the skills he should improve on?net?
what are the steps he should take for him to complete and finish his career in fashion?

Yes, I put my money on Lin Dan winning the gold.

[koo_fan]

didnt know u r such a historian:p
interested why bananakid didnt respond?

[cooler]

interested why bananakid didnt respond?since u ask, i really don't know.

[bananakid]

since u ask, i really don't know.

Busy at work...:p
I am not a wealthy person yet, probably in the next 2 years when my company starts to generate sales over the millions then I will sit in front of my computer screen and respond to each and every one of you guys' posts.:p

[koo_fan]

Busy at work...:p
I am not a wealthy person yet, probably in the next 2 years when my company starts to generate sales over the millions then I will sit in front of my computer screen and respond to each and every one of you guys' posts.:p
u are still entertaining in ur own way.perhaps another simon cowell was born

[Winston_T]

i think it'll be difficult to defeat him in beijing if he's fully fit, especially since it'll be homeground advantage, and if he has his bodyguards (BCL/CJ/CY) around to tire everyone else out before he plays with them ...
:cool:

his bodyguards also want the gold;) no doubt about it.
everyone in here always try to create an opinion that LD can successfully dominates the world badminton through the help from his teammates

[Winston_T]

The answer to that question is NO.....

Beijing olympic Gold belongs to TH.....

Games-type competion is TH's specialty. It's in his blood, Man....:D

don't forget, TH lost in WC 99, OG 00, WC 01 & 03.
2 success vs 4 failures.
u can't tell that he is the master in multi-year event

[Winston_T]

If the linesman from China,and the bad line call which is the '"evil in badminton" keep on repeating , then Lin Dan can win.

LD had ever won 26 titles. each 2 titles in CO & CM, and 22 titles from int'l tourneys.
proved that he can win in any countries. no need for the bad line call.

[Winston_T]

It is just that more attention is being placed on bad line calls made in China. Honestly, there was obvious bad calls in Indo open 06 where Taufik was playing against Chen Yu, and also in the finals with Taufik and Bao... in both cases, the calls were favoring Taufik... but somehow most people don't remember them. I have got the proof if you doubt me.


don't forget about the "good chat" that can change the decision

[Winston_T]

If we look at the history of Olympic Mens single gold... we can observe that it has never been won by a member of that year's winning Thomas cup team. It will be interesting to see which team wins the Thomas cup this year.

add:
OG champion has never been won by All England champion of that year

[Winston_T]

add:
OG champion has never been won by All England champion of that year

except PEHL in 1996. sorry;)

[koo_fan]

don't forget, TH lost in WC 99, OG 00, WC 01 & 03.
2 success vs 4 failures.
u can't tell that he is the master in multi-year event
winston..winston...

when i say taufik is special n he doesnt lose that magical power like my hafiz did..will u agree?

[abedeng]

The simple answer to this question is yes, Lin Dan can and has a big chance to win the Gold.

But as some forummers have mentioned, he is not immune to pressure. And unfortunately, he is the one under pressure to win it for the hosts, his other teammates have been found lacking even in Super Series. This is similarly a burden to LCW, and we saw how he cracked in the WC last year.

Taufik, on the other hand, was not really under pressure to win the huge titles that he won (Olympic 2004, WC 2005, AG 2006). Yes, the pressure was there, but not of the same amount as what is being carried by Lin Dan. Though I must say that Taufik is able to carry huge pressure during matches, his come from behind victories over WCH and Jonassen paving the way for Olympic and WC title respectively, and beating LD in the AG individual final after losing in the team competition.

It does help when expectations are not on you ..... Lee Hyun-il showed that well enough in Korea.

[X Ball]

Obviously, the Beijing crowd would be behind LD. He will be under lots of pressure to win. But having said that, everyone is under pressure to win as this is such an important event.

I don't know what is offered by other countries but Malaysia is rewarding a gold with RM 1 million (about USD$300K). This is the biggest amount ever awarded. LCW will be aiming for that. His form is very encouraging. Even with a fever (and understandably weaker), he won the MO.

I think if LCW carries his form into the year, LD would have to dig deep amd find 'a million reasons' to win this.

[Pemuda]

Obviously, the Beijing crowd would be behind LD. He will be under lots of pressure to win. But having said that, everyone is under pressure to win as this is such an important event.

I don't know what is offered by other countries but Malaysia is rewarding a gold with RM 1 million (about USD$300K). This is the biggest amount ever awarded. LCW will be aiming for that. His form is very encouraging. Even with a fever (and understandably weaker), he won the MO.

I think if LCW carries his form into the year, LD would have to dig deep amd find 'a million reasons' to win this.

I put my money on LD. He will be playing in his own backyard with local support. As this is a biggie event, the pressure will be tremendous. And I believe LD can handle pressure better than LCW.

I believe LD contenders in Beijing will actually come from BCL and Taufik, maybe even Peter Gade. I dont think LCW will make it beyond the q/finals because of his tendency to freeze in the big events.

And I think that RM1 million carrot may act as a distraction to LCW as he will be putting himself under more pressure to win that Olympic gold.

[X Ball]

I put my money on LD. He will be playing in his own backyard with local support. As this is a biggie event, the pressure will be tremendous. And I believe LD can handle pressure better than LCW.

I believe LD contenders in Beijing will actually come from BCL and Taufik, maybe even Peter Gade. I dont think LCW will make it beyond the q/finals because of his tendency to freeze in the big events.

And I think that RM1 million carrot may act as a distraction to LCW as he will be putting himself under more pressure to win that Olympic gold.

I would have agreed with you early last year. But with a few titles under his belt, it is no longer the same LCW (that tendency to freeze, even though I admit happened, is not a thing that will haunt him again). A person does grow out of this through experience.

Everybody matures. His game has matured immensely (not just). With his hard yakka type workrate, I cannot see him faltering again. That million ringgit incentive is making him work harder - the hard work will give him the strength and confidence to compete. If he does lose to LD/others, it won't be through freezing, not the way you put it. It is so easy for us to brand someone, if we want to.

[cooler]

Busy at work...:p
I am not a wealthy person yet, probably in the next 2 years when my company starts to generate sales over the millions then I will sit in front of my computer screen and respond to each and every one of you guys' posts.:p
if u made it and still busy like meetings and marketing,u can hire me to make postings for u:)

[ctjcad]

...
I don't know what is offered by other countries but Malaysia is rewarding a gold with RM 1 million (about USD$300K). This is the biggest amount ever awarded. LCW will be aiming for that. His form is very encouraging. Even with a fever (and understandably weaker), he won the MO...
..tell me about it..That total alone will equal the same amt of the Korean Open SS prize money:cool:..Heck, and unlike the SS prize money, the total won't get divvied up to several other players..:p

[X Ball]

..tell me about it..That total alone will equal the same amt of the Korean Open SS prize money:cool:..Heck, and unlike the SS prize money, the total won't get divvied up to several other players..:p

I heard there are other private sponsors - so if he does not do well, I will be surprised. So much is at stake for him and the doubles. There is an 'expectation' which should augur well when you think about it. If he makes it, I will be most happy for him because he will be the first male Malaysian millionaire in sport. The female, of course, is Malaysian Nicol David (she must be pretty close to being a millionaire).

[Robbo77]

Of course Lin Dan will win the Olympics, unless there is an upset. He was too young and did not cope well with pressure last time, but this time he is more mature - well maybe if a line call goes against him - which is VERY doubtful as he is in CHina this time hehe:p

I am barracking for Jeff Tho - all u Aussies out in the forum get behind him to make the Olympic team and play for us!

[eaglehelang]

I don't know what is offered by other countries but Malaysia is rewarding a gold with RM 1 million (about USD$300K). This is the biggest amount ever awarded. LCW will be aiming for that. His form is very encouraging. Even with a fever (and understandably weaker), he won the MO.

I think if LCW carries his form into the year, LD would have to dig deep amd find 'a million reasons' to win this.

Errr, Xball the RM 1 million is not confirmed yet. Sports Ministry looking for private sponsors to put into the kitty. And I dont think LCW will be aiming for the $$$ as the main thing. (What's offered by other countries is already discussed in the OG thread).

OG is still 5.5 months away, many things can happen in that time. 1st two months of year already has been very interesting, he, he. For all we know, it's not the top 8 players.

[X Ball]

Of course Lin Dan will win the Olympics, unless there is an upset. He was too young and did not cope well with pressure last time, but this time he is more mature - well maybe if a line call goes against him - which is VERY doubtful as he is in CHina this time hehe:p

I am barracking for Jeff Tho - all u Aussies out in the forum get behind him to make the Olympic team and play for us!

Who is Jeff Tho ?

[koo_fan]

if u made it and still busy like meetings and marketing,u can hire me to make postings for u:)
we'll missed all the sarcastic posts.arent we?
come on,bananakid.hire one.
u hire,u pay.of course.a problem??

[tjl_vanguard]

don't forget, TH lost in WC 99, OG 00, WC 01 & 03.
2 success vs 4 failures.
u can't tell that he is the master in multi-year event

well, he still won in the end, didn't he.. tats all tat matters.. :D

[george@chongwei]

Who is Jeff Tho ?
Jeff Tho is an Australian player who was born in Malaysia but playing for Australia..
i think....

[drblade]

I think that PRZEMYSLAW WACHA will win Beijing gold !!He is very talented and unpredictible player!!!

[george@chongwei]

I think that PRZEMYSLAW WACHA will win Beijing gold !!He is very talented and unpredictible player!!!

he is the sole poland representative in ms for poland

[Tommy Susanto]

What is the aftermath should he fail in Beijing?:eek: No i say he can't win the Gold medal in Beijing but he has better prospect in OG 2012;)

[Jagdpanther]

I think he'll be around 30-31 by 2011. Not young anymore. But still, anything can happen. Is he the one and only one of Poland's hope for Olympic gold?

[Dato A]

I think that PRZEMYSLAW WACHA will win Beijing gold !!He is very talented and unpredictible player!!!


POLAND BOLEH!!:D:D

[koo_fan]

I think that PRZEMYSLAW WACHA will win Beijing gold !!He is very talented and unpredictible player!!!

Thats the spirit.
Alwayz believe in ur players.
My prediction - he'll gonna do his best.But not going to win gold here.
Beat any top seed.I think he'll do it.

[Rachel Wood]

lin dan win a gold medal??
there's no doubt bout' it!!!
he's my favorite player,, n i think he can make it!!!

[Khawai]

Not sure whether Lin Dan can overcome the pressure during the olympics. He usually loses in big big tournaments. Lee Chong Wei will be a threat to Lin Dan.

[SibugiChai]

The reason I dont think LD can win GOLD is from history

NONE of the MS NUMBER 1 seat since 1992 has won the GOLD!

[cooler]

doesnt matter which cat, china has 3 cats to catch the golden mouse.

[SibugiChai]

:crying:
doesnt matter which cat, china has 3 cats to catch the golden mouse.

The Rest of the world got 29cats to devour the Golden Mouse!

[koo_fan]

doesnt matter which cat, china has 3 cats to catch the golden mouse.
Cat is sub-species of tiger.
What on earth u downgrade a malaya tiger from malaysia?
Lcw will eat them all alive.

[cooler]

Cat is sub-species of tiger.
What on earth u downgrade a malaya tiger from malaysia?
Lcw will eat them all alive.
i was referring to Deng Xiaoping famous line, it has nothing to do with downgrading MAL's tiger:rolleyes: Since brought up this subject of tiger, matter of fact, i heard tigers are disappearing because of the tiger parts demand coming from.... china. Who's eating who? LOL

[koo_fan]

My mistake is to just grab ur post and give quick reply.Might be a lesson for me.So,sorry.
But,Lcw will be for sure eating Lin dan,Chen Jin,Bao Chunlai all alive.
Will u rate my confidence?

And,After Deng Xio Ping retireness in '92,i guess it is a great lost for China and The world generally.
To have his words alive,u've done it very well here.Let the memory alive forever.

[SImplelenna]

:crying:

The Rest of the world got 29cats to devour the Golden Mouse!
I thought that it would be depends on skill, mental, and Drawing.....
we can't deny that China have 3 strong cat..LD No.1, sometimes moody but fast en furios, BCL girls know that he is handsome but in crisis moment he would be danger to every players esp. from korea, CJ only has 50-50... well we all would seen on Olympics..:D

[Dato A]

I thought that it would be depends on skill, mental, and Drawing.....
we can't deny that China have 3 strong cat..LD No.1, sometimes moody but fast en furios, BCL girls know that he is handsome but in crisis moment he would be danger to every players esp. from korea, CJ only has 50-50... well we all would seen on Olympics..:D

If he met with LCW, sure he got no chance coz LCW WILL SURELY AGAINST BEAT LD and become the champion. That's what mas fanz believe after LCW Beat LD straights sets in TC.:D

malaysia boleh!!:D:D

[Dato A]

surely again..sorry

[Jagdpanther]

If he met with LCW, sure he got no chance coz LCW WILL SURELY AGAINST BEAT LD and become the champion. That's what mas fanz believe after LCW Beat LD straights sets in TC.:D

malaysia boleh!!:D:D

In Indonesia, we have a saying, "Jagoan kalah duluan."
It roughly means, "Heroes (usually) lose first."
LD may lost in TC, but who knows wat will happen in OG?

[cooler]

My mistake is to just grab ur post and give quick reply.Might be a lesson for me.So,sorry.
But,Lcw will be for sure eating Lin dan,Chen Jin,Bao Chunlai all alive.
Will u rate my confidence?

And,After Deng Xio Ping retireness in '92,i guess it is a great lost for China and The world generally.
To have his words alive,u've done it very well here.Let the memory alive forever.

no problem, i'm no anti LCW, just dont want to see u guys get too optimistic because if lcw fail to deliver in 08 OG, don't want u guys doing crazy things. :p Look at 04 athen, LD was expected to win but he didn't. That is why LD has a more realistic outlook on this coming OG.

Deng XP is tiny in size but the foundation he laid on china when he was in power gave rise to the economic power china of today.

[Dato A]

In Indonesia, we have a saying, "Jagoan kalah duluan."
It roughly means, "Heroes (usually) lose first."
LD may lost in TC, but who knows wat will happen in OG?

TH then will win the gold medal coz he's doing badly in TC.:D:D

[jimbo]

In Indonesia, we have a saying, "Jagoan kalah duluan."
It roughly means, "Heroes (usually) lose first."
LD may lost in TC, but who knows wat will happen in OG?

I think LD will compete in INA Open... so, if taufik lost to LD... then... ? ;) hooray to Taufik coz he will win OG GOLD? :eek::D

[Rachel Wood]

The reason I dont think LD can win GOLD is from history

NONE of the MS NUMBER 1 seat since 1992 has won the GOLD!

there is always be the first time:):p:D

[Rachel Wood]

If he met with LCW, sure he got no chance coz LCW WILL SURELY AGAINST BEAT LD and become the champion. That's what mas fanz believe after LCW Beat LD straights sets in TC.:D

malaysia boleh!!:D:D

LHI beat LD in AG 06 team event
LD beat TH twice in a row in team event
look what's happened in indiv event

[Jagdpanther]

TH then will win the gold medal coz he's doing badly in TC.:D:D
I'm afraid by the way it looks, TH is a gone case.:o
INA should forget MS as a mean of grabbing OG gold. We still have hope in MD (I believe MAS is hoping for this one too:)) and XD.

[huangkwokhau]

anything can happen in Olympics......all players have a chance to win....

[Jagdpanther]

there is always be the first time:):p:D
ANd if LD wins, he'll create history.;)

[Rachel Wood]

ANd if LD wins, he'll create history.;)
yes! he will be the first ever MS player to win the Olympics, World Championships, and All England:):p:D

[Jagdpanther]

Most importantly, he'll break that 16-years old curse.

[jimbo]

anything can happen in Olympics......all players have a chance to win....

Does that include our Uncle WongCH? :eek::D

[cooler]

LD beat TH twice in a row in team event
look what's happened in indiv event

LD got bored beating TH, prolly a tactic of TH, play sucky for 2 team events and then surprise one bored out LD in the final event:p

[limsy]

LD got bored beating TH, prolly a tactic of TH, play sucky for 2 team events and then surprise one bored out LD in the final event:p

ya...taufik is so clever...making lindan win meaningless...^^...

[ctjcad]

The reason I dont think LD can win GOLD is from history

NONE of the MS NUMBER 1 seat since 1992 has won the GOLD!
..that's partly the fact. Another fact is, as mentioned & brought up by bananakid before, there has been no Olympic Badminton's MS Gold Medalist who was part of those particular years' winning Thomas Cup squad...And we all know which team won the Thomas Cup this yr??..Will this trend continue or finally buck up??..Let's wait and see..:cool:

In Indonesia, we have a saying, "Jagoan kalah duluan."
It roughly means, "Heroes (usually) lose first."
LD may lost in TC, but who knows wat will happen in OG?
..LD lost in the TC this yr??..You meant he (and his team) won the TC??..Or you meant it was TH who lost??..:confused: ;)

[cooler]

ya...taufik is so clever...making lindan win meaningless...^^... I ALWAYS SAID DOHA TITLES HAS LESS MEANING than a Open tournament where all the best can compete. Winning at Doha gain no ranking point, no money prizes either.

[cooler]

ya...taufik is so clever...making lindan win meaningless...^^...he has to, since his stamina is weak, he concentrated on 1 event. I'm smarter since i know why he does it:p:p:p If u go back the why LD lost at Doha thread , i've said more over there

LD and LYB see TC/UC as OG simulation, u guys see it as a omen lol.
BTW, lcw lost in TC simulation to uncle roslin and u guy bashed lcw.
lcw win his match in tc and u guys send him to the moon. LOL
No wonder MAL players yoyo alot, coz their dieheard fans yoyo alot???:D
I wonder which come first tho:p I mean, who yo first?:p
**No prejudice against MAL diehard fans at all, i just make observation** :D

[cooler]

ya...taufik is so clever...making lindan win meaningless...^^...


I ALWAYS SAID DOHA TITLES HAS LESS MEANING than a Open tournament where all the best can compete. Winning at Doha gain no ranking point, no money prizes either.
Furthermore, TH played sucky on all his matches against LD in 2006 prior to the DOHA individual MS event. At 06 JP open, TH even folded his cards on the 3rd set, to hide his cards. At 06 HK open, TH walk out completely to avoid LD.
True, Doha title is meaningless to LD. Actually meaningless to most the chinese players too, xxf failed, zhang ning failed too. Useless Doha title, no ranking points, no money, why prepare oneself for that???? Doah title is important to Th because he is...........i better not say it in public, I talked too much already.:D:D

[ye333]

Man, where did you get that information?

Let me show you two facts.

There is an TV interview in which LD mentioned Doha MS title as one of the two important titles he wanted to win (the other is OG08).

Furthermore, after losing to LHI in Team Final, LD said he didn't prepare well because he was thinking about the singles event.



True, Doha title is meaningless to LD. Actually meaningless to most the chinese players too, xxf failed, zhang ning failed too. Useless Doha title, no ranking points, no money, why prepare oneself for that???? Doah title is important to Th because he is...........i better not say it in public, I talked too much already.:D:D

[cooler]

Man, where did you get that information?

Let me show you two facts.

There is an TV interview in which LD mentioned Doha MS title as one of the two important titles he wanted to win (the other is OG08).

Furthermore, after losing to LHI in Team Final, LD said he didn't prepare well because he was thinking about the singles event.

action speaks louder than words.
Practically all chinese players played lamely at 06 doha

[huangkwokhau]

Furthermore, TH played sucky on all his matches against LD in 2006 prior to the DOHA individual MS event. At 06 JP open, TH even folded his cards on the 3rd set, to hide his cards. At 06 HK open, TH walk out completely to avoid LD.
True, Doha title is meaningless to LD. Actually meaningless to most the chinese players too, xxf failed, zhang ning failed too. Useless Doha title, no ranking points, no money, why prepare oneself for that???? Doah title is important to Th because he is...........i better not say it in public, I talked too much already.:D:D
If Asian Games title is meaningless to LD..why bother he played all the way to final??:rolleyes::rolleyes:..lost is a lost...
Players got no ranking poins or money but they got BIG reward, more than prize money...

Who say winning Asian Games is meaningless?? try to tell to those chinese athletes who won most of the gold for their country...

[ye333]

This is a powerful argument! :D Let me learn how to use it.

Let's try it on LHI. LHI played (truly) lamely in the MSSF against LD, so it must mean he did not care about the MS title, right? :D

Also, are you suggesting that LD was lying in the interview? Or he didn't know what his mouth was talking about? :D


action speaks louder than words.
Practically all chinese players played lamely at 06 doha

[cooler]

If Asian Games title is meaningless to LD..why bother he played all the way to final??:rolleyes::rolleyes:..lost is a lost...
Players got no ranking poins or money but they got BIG reward, more than prize money...

yes, for TH, that's why he played to the last second:pLOL he was so happy, so even donated his racket:)

Who say winning Asian Games is meaningless?? try to tell to those chinese athletes who won most of the gold for their country...

u r guys are just rebutting on a technicality.:p
meaningless is just a gross phrase i've used.
i also can say a penny is worthless too but it actually worth 1/100 of a dollar. :rolleyes: I dont know exactly what scale to the chinese team my guess is surely less than 4/10 to their career. It was just a nice gesture when china show up in an 1 in 4 year asian game. U guys are just nickpicking cooler now LOL

[cooler]

This is a powerful argument! :D Let me learn how to use it.

Let's try it on LHI. LHI played (truly) lamely in the MSSF against LD, so it must mean he did not care about the MS title, right? :D

Also, are you suggesting that LD was lying in the interview? Or he didn't know what his mouth was talking about? :Dhey, in an interview, TH said LD is arrogant. U go ask TH for clarification first?:p hehehe LOLOL

Anymore nickpickers:D:D:D

[huangkwokhau]

In this sense..winning Thomas Cup/Uber cup are meaningless too......:p:cool::cool: especially China teams show up once in 2 year...:rolleyes:

[cooler]

In this sense..winning Thomas Cup/Uber cup are meaningless too......:p:cool::cool: especially China teams show up once in 2 year...:rolleyes:

TC/UC have more value lah.
1.TC/UC has historical significant just like the AE and Sudirman Cup. TC/UC stands for badminton like AE and sudirman cup.
2. 08 TC/UC is more significant than previous tc/uc because it is an OG simulation which i've said before. Must i have to repeat myself?

i won silver and bronze in corporate challenge(coulda won gold but it was a long story). Know any players in your network wanna trade their TC silver and bronze for my medals? I'll even willing to trade 2 of mine for 1 of their, any color:D:)

[huangkwokhau]

TC/UC have more value lah.
1.TC/UC has historical significant just like the AE and Sudirman Cup. TC/UC stands for badminton like AE and sudirman cup.
2. 08 TC/UC is more significant than previous tc/uc because it is an OG simulation which i've said before. Must i have to repeat myself?
well...if it is OG simulation....some suggested that LD lost purposely to LCW..:D:D may be PSH too......real OG simulation can be in SO and IO...except Koreans decide to hibernate for a while...;)

[huangkwokhau]

TC/UC have more value lah.
1.TC/UC has historical significant just like the AE and Sudirman Cup. TC/UC stands for badminton like AE and sudirman cup.
2. 08 TC/UC is more significant than previous tc/uc because it is an OG simulation which i've said before. Must i have to repeat myself?

i won silver and bronze in corporate challenge(coulda won gold but it was a long story). Know any players in your network wanna trade their TC silver and bronze for my medals? I'll even willing to trade 2 of mine for 1 of their:D:)
Haiya...They need the proof to exchange their bonus for US$ 100 K...:D:D even you have 10 of them, I am afraid they wont accept it...;)

[cooler]

well...if it is OG simulation....some suggested that LD lost purposely to LCW..:D:D may be PSH too......real OG simulation can be in SO and IO...except Koreans decide to hibernate for a while...;)i never claimed that i know the inside thinking of the korea team. *sigh* nor have I claimed that LD lost to LCW on purpose either.:D

[cooler]

Haiya...They need the proof to exchange their bonus for US$ 100 K...:D:D even you have 10 of them, I am afraid they wont accept it...;)
but i've made my point tho,that some medals worth more than others...

[X Ball]

As the saying goes "the truth hurts" and it hurts all LD's fans when LD lost to LCW heavily. Of course, self denials will creep in for the ardent fans -- always the case, as is shown here (seen clearly).

Don't live in the past coz only the current form is the only one that counts. I never believe you can rely on the past form for the future -- and I am never wrong.:)

[huangkwokhau]

but i've made my point tho,that some medals worth more than others...
You should keep your winning medals...in case you need the proof to show to your kids...:p:p it will be your sentimental piece in future...;)

[Rachel Wood]

LD got bored beating TH, prolly a tactic of TH, play sucky for 2 team events and then surprise one bored out LD in the final event:p

no offence, but we should give credit for his win.
TH was deserved to win it.

[Rachel Wood]

I ALWAYS SAID DOHA TITLES HAS LESS MEANING than a Open tournament where all the best can compete. Winning at Doha gain no ranking point, no money prizes either.
I'm agree with this

[Rachel Wood]

If Asian Games title is meaningless to LD..why bother he played all the way to final??:rolleyes::rolleyes:..lost is a lost...
Players got no ranking poins or money but they got BIG reward, more than prize money...

Who say winning Asian Games is meaningless?? try to tell to those chinese athletes who won most of the gold for their country...

can you specify what kind of big reward?
I doubt if china govt gives big reward for their AG hero. they only concern with OG hero.

[Rachel Wood]

In this sense..winning Thomas Cup/Uber cup are meaningless too......:p:cool::cool: especially China teams show up once in 2 year...:rolleyes:

so many world class players compete in TC, means winning TC much more prestigious than AG. China was proud to win it.
see http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2008-05/18/content_8202176.htm

[huangkwokhau]

so many world class players compete in TC, means winning TC much more prestigious than AG. China was proud to win it.
see http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2008-05/18/content_8202176.htm


I just replied to Cooler's as he said that winning asian games is meaningless.
Pls read the wholestory on last page....;)

[huangkwokhau]

can you specify what kind of big reward?
I doubt if china govt gives big reward for their AG hero. they only concern with OG hero.
Big reward for TH...not for china players...
My point is winning Asian games is not meaningless...it is worth it especially in Badminton where asia region is very strong.

Pls read whole page first...;)

[Rachel Wood]

I just replied to Cooler's as he said that winning asian games is meaningless.
Pls read the wholestory on last page....;)


Big reward for TH...not for china players...
My point is winning Asian games is not meaningless...it is worth it especially in Badminton where asia region is very strong.

Pls read whole page first...;)

big reward for TH? more than SS winner prize money?

[huangkwokhau]

I'm agree with this
It will be different if LD was the winner...then I would like to see who said that Asian games is meaningless.
LD should not have participated it if he thought asian games is meaningless..;);)

[huangkwokhau]

big reward for TH? more than SS winner prize money?
YEP...even winning ASEAN games,the reward is bigger than SS winner prize..:p:p about US$ 20000 per gold

[Rachel Wood]

It will be different if LD was the winner...then I would like to see who said that Asian games is meaningless.
LD should not have participated it if he thought asian games is meaningless..;);)

maybe he was forced by LYB to participated;)

[Rachel Wood]

It will be different if LD was the winner...then I would like to see who said that Asian games is meaningless.
;);)

no change at all...

[ye333]

First, I don't see why TH claiming LD arrogant has anything to do with the topic being discussed. :cool:

Second, the "LD arrogant" claim is from newspapers as far as I remember, and we all know how inaccurate such reports can be. On the other hand, I watched the LD interview and heard him talking about AG, about how he will beat TH so that TH will shut up. ;)


hey, in an interview, TH said LD is arrogant. U go ask TH for clarification first?:p hehehe LOLOL

Anymore nickpickers:D:D:D

[ye333]

Following this line of thought, OG is less meaningful than WC or any super-series tournament. ;)

Talking about "less top players attend" -- I suppose that matters because the champion meets weaker opponents -- TH beat BCL, LCW and LD in AG 06. Can anyone find any WC, OG or SS champion who had a stronger line-up of opponents? :confused:


I'm agree with this

[huangkwokhau]

no change at all...
For some...it would be different......:D:D

[huangkwokhau]

maybe he was forced by LYB to participated;)
poor Lin Dan......:D:D

[cooler]

it's laughable to say LD fans are hurt by LD lost to lcw, considering china had won the whole things, tc and uc. Win or lose, LD fans are pretty calm about it, just look at number posts and threads on lcw wins by MAL fans versus LD win in other tournaments. In fact i ask u, lcw beat LD in TC yes, so what did LCW really win??15 seconds celebration, that's about it and look at all the glorious posts on LCW winning. Xball basically has nothing to cling on now except lcw since Hafiz is just a yo now, uncle WCH is noble but no longer lethal, kkk/tbh no longer his trump card because this pair failed xball time and time again, rexy quit twice, his best tune now is lcw beat LD at TC because he is always right, although his best card lcw won nothing.

Of course i'm not gonna sour your parade, desert bloom is a nice refreshing change from a long long drought.

LD is very generous, he even gave couple of titles to his comrade. LD fans hurt? lol

[limsy]

he has to, since his stamina is weak, he concentrated on 1 event. I'm smarter since i know why he does it:p:p:p If u go back the why LD lost at Doha thread , i've said more over there

LD and LYB see TC/UC as OG simulation, u guys see it as a omen lol.
BTW, lcw lost in TC simulation to uncle roslin and u guy bashed lcw.
lcw win his match in tc and u guys send him to the moon. LOL
No wonder MAL players yoyo alot, coz their dieheard fans yoyo alot???:D
I wonder which come first tho:p I mean, who yo first?:p
**No prejudice against MAL diehard fans at all, i just make observation** :D

hmm...cooler...seem that u didnt realy know about me...i am not pemuda...or dato...i didnt blame him...go search back my word...if i did blame lcw...i eat my computer infront of u...so funny...and yet...i also didnt say lcw beating lindan in TC was a GREATEST ACHEIVEMENT in the universe..same like the blaming...if i did say...i eat...erm...ok lah...i eat my handphone infront of u...your observation cant use on me..i am not a blind fan...i am rasional...my positive against malaysia is i have confident with them...and i knew some of them...not because they dressed malaysia shirt...then i will support...if it does,then u can dressed up malaysia shirt and i will cheering for u...unlucky that i wont not because u are cooler...is because i am not blind...about hafiz hashim...i never call him yoyo...and yet...i was the one of the least that defend him in some post...if u want to say about MALAYSIA DIE HARD FAN...i am not represent the usual MALAYSIA DIE HARD FAN...i always cant stand those whom critic player of their own country when played poor and praise like god when win...credit will be given by me if they played well but not over...i will not blame them as losing one match the world wont end...i just find out the reason why they lost...no offence to u...this post just let u know...dont ever label me as MALAYSIA DIE HARD FAN...i support...but not blindly

[Heong]

According to mens singles.. & my prediction..

A Chinese player to win = 45%
A Malaysian player to win = 25%
A Korean player to win = 13%
An Indonesian player to win = 10%
A Danish player to win = 7%

[limsy]

Furthermore, TH played sucky on all his matches against LD in 2006 prior to the DOHA individual MS event. At 06 JP open, TH even folded his cards on the 3rd set, to hide his cards. At 06 HK open, TH walk out completely to avoid LD.
True, Doha title is meaningless to LD. Actually meaningless to most the chinese players too, xxf failed, zhang ning failed too. Useless Doha title, no ranking points, no money, why prepare oneself for that???? Doah title is important to Th because he is...........i better not say it in public, I talked too much already.:D:D

what funny fact...player fail then mean title was meaning less...so...all england women single is useless to chinese player too???...so is the women double title...:eek:

[Heong]

IMO, players just dont try their best until big tournaments.
I believe this is what most people here are trying to say.

Example = taufik hidayat.
Won OG 2004.

[cooler]

IMO, players just dont try their best until big tournaments.
I believe this is what most people here are trying to say.

Example = taufik hidayat.
Won OG 2004.Nod. TH and PG are to be reckon with. They are putting all their energy in the coming OG. Look at PG, he beat PSH when LD had so much trouble with PSH.

[cooler]

According to mens singles.. & my prediction..

A Chinese player to win = 45%
A Malaysian player to win = 25%
A Korean player to win = 13%
An Indonesian player to win = 10%
A Danish player to win = 7%

INA may look low but 10% is mostly TH IMO
I would up the korea % a bit more
look at who got the most odd as a player to win?


A Chinese player to win = 45% (LD, BCL, CJ), 15%/player
A Malaysian player to win = 25% (LCW) 25%/player
A Korean player to win = 13% (PSH +LHI) 6%/player
An Indonesian player to win = 10% (TH) 10%/player
A Danish player to win = 7%(PG) 7%/player

[huangkwokhau]

(PG)

INA may look low but 10% is mostly TH IMO
I would up the korea % a bit more
look at who got the most odd as a player to win?


A Chinese player to win = 45% (LD, BCL, CJ), 15%/player
A Malaysian player to win = 25% (LCW) 25%/player
A Korean player to win = 13% (PSH +LHI) 6%/player
An Indonesian player to win = 10% (TH) 10%/player
A Danish player to win = 7%(PG) 7%/player

TH has changed...I have to say we better not to expect too much from TH...sadly but true...:o:o..I hope Sony has a better run and again it depends on the draw also...

[X Ball]

TH has changed...I have to say we better not to expect too much from TH...sadly but true...:o:o..I hope Sony has a better run and again it depends on the draw also...

Yes he admitted already that he is now a family man. Sony is the INA man.

[taufik-ist]

You should keep your winning medals...in case you need the proof to show to your kids...:p:p it will be your sentimental piece in future...;)

correct 1000 %...

[cooler]

You should keep your winning medals...in case you need the proof to show to your kids...:p:p it will be your sentimental piece in future...;)


correct 1000 %...

Nah, they r meaningless to me:p

[huangkwokhau]

Nah, they r meaningless to me:p
come on....:D you had to run a lot to get it...so tell us the short version that you should have won the gold instead of silver....I guess you must be upset :(( PM is okay too);)

[X Ball]

And one talks about past statistics and how relevant they are but medals are meaningless.:D:rolleyes:

[cooler]

TH has changed...I have to say we better not to expect too much from TH...sadly but true...:o:o..I hope Sony has a better run and again it depends on the draw also...maybe but TH is a very deceptive player, I believe it when i see him on the combat day

[ants]

There are still chances for TH but the percentage is lower. As For Lin Dan, the Olympic gold might be his achilles heels.

[SibugiChai]

There are still chances for TH but the percentage is lower. As For Lin Dan, the Olympic gold might be his achilles heels.

I belib the GOLD will be one of CHINA three because CHINA "HOME COURT" advantages! :cool:

[AlanY]

i'm going to stick my head out on the block and predict that china will win 5 out of the 5 olympics badminton golds on offer. one reason of that and it's diffficult to feel that unless you're there is how much the chinese people and sportperson in particular been and will be motivatied by the recent earthquake disaster.

[SibugiChai]

i'm going to stick my head out on the block and predict that china will win 5 out of the 5 olympics badminton golds on offer. one reason of that and it's diffficult to feel that unless you're there is how much the chinese people and sportperson in particular been and will be motivatied by the recent earthquake disaster.

Malaysia is motivated by the reason lost of Pulau Putih to Singapore as well as the Last General Election.

I predict China will not win a single GOLD in the 5event.

MS - LHI
WS - WMC
MD - KKK/TBH
WD - INA
MX - INA :D

[Rachel Wood]

It will be different if LD was the winner...then I would like to see who said that Asian games is meaningless.
LD should not have participated it if he thought asian games is meaningless..;);)


no change at all...


For some...it would be different......:D:D

if BWF make a polling about which one more prestigious, AG or SS, here is the result:
CH : SS
CJ : SS
CY : SS
KJ : SS
PGC : SS
SDK : SS
PSH : SS
Roslin : SS
SSM : SS

for sure non-Asian players will vote for SS,
even several top Asian players whom can't participate in AG will vote for SS

[Rachel Wood]

Following this line of thought, OG is less meaningful than WC or any super-series tournament. ;)

Talking about "less top players attend" -- I suppose that matters because the champion meets weaker opponents -- TH beat BCL, LCW and LD in AG 06. Can anyone find any WC, OG or SS champion who had a stronger line-up of opponents? :confused:

World Championships 2006
LD beat PSH, CH, and BCL