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kktan 04-03-2007, 03:19 AM hi.
i am based in jb. will certainly be going for ABC championship. I am staying close to the stadium. will be dropping by to see if i can get the time of the matches. and how much is the ticket.
once i have some infos.. i will help to paste it here.
i saw some posting of some outstation forummers coming in for this championship. please pm me.. if u need any help.
all for love of badminton. cheers:)
Linus 04-03-2007, 04:10 AM The price and the match schedules are already out today on the ABC website.
Badminton Asia Championships 2007
10th to 15th April
Johor Bahru, MALAYSIA
The sales of tickets begins on the 7th April at Stadium Bandaraya Johor Bahru. Bookings can be done through Johor Badminton Association office at +6-07-227 2889
Ticket Price:
10th April - FREE
11th April - RM 10
12th April - RM 10
13th April - RM 20
14th April - RM 20
15th April - RM 30
Season Ticket: RM 70
kktan 04-03-2007, 04:14 AM The price and the match schedules are already out today on the ABC website.
Badminton Asia Championships 2007
10th to 15th April
Johor Bahru, MALAYSIA
The sales of tickets begins on the 7th April at Stadium Bandaraya Johor Bahru. Bookings can be done through Johor Badminton Association office at +6-07-227 2889
Ticket Price:
10th April - FREE
11th April - RM 10
12th April - RM 10
13th April - RM 20
14th April - RM 20
15th April - RM 30
Season Ticket: RM 70
thanks linus.
do u have the time of the matches??
Linus 04-03-2007, 04:29 AM You can find it here:
http://www.badmintonasia.org/event_details.aspx?eventID=67
alfa-2 04-03-2007, 04:36 AM The price and the match schedules are already out today on the ABC website.
Badminton Asia Championships 2007
10th to 15th April
Johor Bahru, MALAYSIA
The sales of tickets begins on the 7th April at Stadium Bandaraya Johor Bahru. Bookings can be done through Johor Badminton Association office at +6-07-227 2889
Ticket Price:
10th April - FREE
11th April - RM 10
12th April - RM 10
13th April - RM 20
14th April - RM 20
15th April - RM 30
Season Ticket: RM 70
season ticket meaning a ticket that can gain entry from 1st day to the last?
kktan 04-03-2007, 04:51 AM yes. alfa. u're rite
ixory 04-03-2007, 05:00 AM Thanks Linus,for the info.Really appreciated it..;) :D
Jessica 04-03-2007, 05:01 AM Can i buy the ticket on that day without booking???
alfa-2 04-03-2007, 06:34 AM have been wondering why so many top players skip this tournament especially in MD. just look at the price money......
Yonex-Sunrise Badminton Asia Championship 2007
10th to 15th April
Johor Bahru, MALAYSIA
Total Prize Money – US$ 125,000
Men’s Singles (US$ 25,700)
Champion : US$ 10,000
Runners : US$ 4,000
Semi Finalists : US$ 1,600 each x 2 (US$ 3,200)
Quarter Finalists : US$ 625 each x 4 (US$ 2,500)
Last Sixteen : US$ 375 each x 8 (US$ 3,000)
Last Thirty Two : US$ 187.5 each x 16 (US$3,000)
Women’s Singles (US$ 22,525)
Champion : US$ 8,625
Runners Up : US$ 3,450
Semi Finalists : US$ 1,375 each x 2 (US$ 2,750)
Quarter Finalists : US$ 550 each x 4 (US$ 2,200)
Last Sixteen : US$ 312.5 each x 8 (US$ 2,500)
Last Thirty Two : US$ 187.5 each x 16 (US$3,000)
Men’s Doubles (US$ 27,975)
Champion : US$ 9,000
Runners Up : US$ 3,600
Semi Finalists : US$ 1,437.5 per pair x 2 pairs (US$ 2,875)
Quarter Finalists : US$ 625 per pair x 4 pairs (US$ 2,500)
Last Sixteen : US$ 500 per pair x 8 (US$ 4,000)
Last Thirty Two : US$ 375 per pair x 16 (US$ 6,000)
Women’s Doubles (US$ 25,612.50)
Champion : US$ 7,625
Runners Up : US$ 3,050
Semi Finalists : US$ 1,218.75 per pair x 2 pairs (US$ 2,437.5)
Quarter Finalists : US$ 625 per pair x 4 pairs (US$ 2,500)
Last Sixteen : US$ 500 per pair x 8 (US$ 4,000)
Last Thirty Two : US$ 375 per pair x 16 (US$ 6,000)
Mixed Doubles (US$ 23,187.50)
Champion : US$ 7,250
Runners Up : US$ 2,750
Semi Finalists : US$ 1,093.75 per pair x 2 pairs (US$ 2,187.5)
Quarter Finalists : US$ 625 per pair x 4 pairs (US$ 2,500)
Last Sixteen : US$ 437.5 per pair x 8 (US$ 3,500)
Last Thirty Two : US$ 312.5 per pair x 16 (US$ 5,000)
alfa-2 04-03-2007, 06:34 AM sad that badminton is such a "cheap" and "poor" sport......
hcyong 04-03-2007, 08:24 AM Players are generally not motivated by prize money. The WC and Olympics offer no prize money, yet they are the ones most coveted by players. In the normal circuit events, the All-England is the most popular even though for years, it offered only 4* prize money and ranking points.
The Korean Open (richest in prize money) is vulnerable to absences from top players.
alfa-2 04-03-2007, 08:30 AM WC n Olympic are totally different stories......if u can differentiate it. ABC is not that prestigious.
OneToughBirdie 04-03-2007, 09:02 AM Players are generally not motivated by prize money. The WC and Olympics offer no prize money, yet they are the ones most coveted by players. In the normal circuit events, the All-England is the most popular even though for years, it offered only 4* prize money and ranking points.
The Korean Open (richest in prize money) is vulnerable to absences from top players.
Are you kidding that "players are generally not motivated by prize money"? So how are these players live on with no money and to retire one day. Winning WC and OLY pay more than any Open wins. An OLY gold for MAS is RM$3000 per month for life for each doubles player (this amount may have increased and I am not sure what the amount is for MS) and a one time payout too. I cannot remember the amount that SIN payout for OLY gold, I think it is S$1M, can my SIN BCer member confirm this for us? Winning All-England MD is only US$14,400 for KKK/TBH, but the Perak and Pinang state govt pay them RM$38,000 each (more than the US$7200 winning per person). TH winning OLY, WC and ASIAD gold payout huge amount of $$$, houses, car, etc. even though these events pay him no cash outright. CHN is different, the players are taken care by the CHN govt.
kktan 04-03-2007, 10:13 AM jessica.
i am going to watch. i tried booking on the telephone. but could not get thru. i dun think it will be sold out., but having siad this.. i dun think Johor badminton association can do booking for spectator.
OneToughBirdie 04-03-2007, 07:45 PM We basked in the glory, rejoiced and proud when MAS players win a tourney, whether it is Opens or Asiad. We heaved negatism and abuse when they lose. To say they are not motivated by money, i.e. they play for achievements and to glorify the nation, I would say those days of Tan Aik Huang, Wong Peng Soon, etc who held down a full time job and trained to be champions are long gone. Today's MAS players face a formidable challenge from CHN's state sponsored team of full-time professionals, therefore I hope MAS players (and their parents e.g. TBH's parents) who give up their prime time to pursue this game are fairly compensated for their efforts in making us proud malaysians. The same apply to players from all nations too. I read an article that Tracey Hallem has to find her own sponsor for flight/passage to participate in tourneys is astonishing.
I admired TBH's parents forking out RM1200/month out of a RM1600 salary to support TBH's badminton ambition, taking a second job to support his family, that is devotion and love for TBH. I would wonder how many parents are willing to do that, for badminton is only a game, a professional badminton player career is a short one and a fleeting one too.
kktan 04-03-2007, 08:13 PM We basked in the glory, rejoiced and proud when MAS players win a tourney, whether it is Opens or Asiad. We heaved negatism and abuse when they lose. To say they are not motivated by money, i.e. they play for achievements and to glorify the nation, I would say those days of Tan Aik Huang, Wong Peng Soon, etc who held down a full time job and trained to be champions are long gone. Today's MAS players face a formidable challenge from CHN's state sponsored team of full-time professionals, therefore I hope MAS players (and their parents e.g. TBH's parents) who give up their prime time to pursue this game are fairly compensated for their efforts in making us proud malaysians. The same apply to players from all nations too. I read an article that Tracey Hallem has to find her own sponsor for flight/passage to participate in tourneys is astonishing.
I admired TBH's parents forking out RM1200/month out of a RM1600 salary to support TBH's badminton ambition, taking a second job to support his family, that is devotion and love for TBH. I would wonder how many parents are willing to do that, for badminton is only a game, a professional badminton player career is a short one and a fleeting one too.
true enuff. my eyes went red when i watched the interview. i hope they keep their head low and be humble . the parents deserve all the comfort in their future lives for sacrifying so much for them.
hcyong 04-03-2007, 10:42 PM Are you kidding that "players are generally not motivated by prize money"? So how are these players live on with no money and to retire one day. Winning WC and OLY pay more than any Open wins. An OLY gold for MAS is RM$3000 per month for life for each doubles player (this amount may have increased and I am not sure what the amount is for MS) and a one time payout too. I cannot remember the amount that SIN payout for OLY gold, I think it is S$1M, can my SIN BCer member confirm this for us? Winning All-England MD is only US$14,400 for KKK/TBH, but the Perak and Pinang state govt pay them RM$38,000 each (more than the US$7200 winning per person). TH winning OLY, WC and ASIAD gold payout huge amount of $$$, houses, car, etc. even though these events pay him no cash outright. CHN is different, the players are taken care by the CHN govt.
I did not say they are not motivated by money. I said "prize money". If badminton players are motivated by prize money, they have pretty low motivation.
However, I still feel that the biggest motivation is glory. A certain amount of money is of course neccessary to keep things going.
tjl_vanguard 04-03-2007, 11:21 PM dun worry! i dun think the tix will be sold ouT! haha :D
Money to survive and more money to enjoy a "better" life is certainly what a professional badminton player, like all other professionals in sports, industry and commerce, is looking forward to. Material benefits are necessary for living.
Of course, being a champion also brings with it the non-monetary incentives. To be able to call oneself the Champion of the World, that satisfaction for life money cannot buy. To be immortalized in the record books for future generations to remember, only a few can achieve this.
Though the Olympics per se does not reward winners with prize monies, being an Olympic champion can create lucrative spin-offs, particularly in commercial endorsements and sponsorships.
The Singapore Government has offered Olympic gold medal winners a cash prize of S$1 million, the silver commands S$500,000 and the bronze S$250,000. But only the most talented and committed can claim this prize! So no Singaporean athlete has won any of these prizes but now there are a few who are taking it more seriously! We got one Olympic silver medal long time ago in weightlifting but no such prizes were made available then. Our hero (very intangible recognition), Tan Howe Liang, remains a poor man helping out or supervising in the gym, I think.
I would therefore surmise that the monetary and material benefits are more important to most athletes.
OneToughBirdie 04-04-2007, 12:31 AM Money to survive and more money to enjoy a "better" life is certainly what a professional badminton player, like all other professionals in sports, industry and commerce, is looking forward to. Material benefits are necessary for living.
Of course, being a champion also brings with it the non-monetary incentives. To be able to call oneself the Champion of the World, that satisfaction for life money cannot buy. To be immortalized in the record books for future generations to remember, only a few can achieve this.
Though the Olympics per se does not reward winners with prize monies, being an Olympic champion can create lucrative spin-offs, particularly in commercial endorsements and sponsorships.
The Singapore Government has offered Olympic gold medal winners a cash prize of S$1 million, the silver commands S$500,000 and the bronze S$250,000. But only the most talented and committed can claim this prize! So no Singaporean athlete has won any of these prizes but now there are a few who are taking it more seriously! We got one Olympic silver medal long time ago in weightlifting but no such prizes were made available then. Our hero (very intangible recognition), Tan Howe Liang, remains a poor man helping out or supervising in the gym, I think.
I would therefore surmise that the monetary and material benefits are more important to most athletes.
Well said indeed....A person, whether a professional athlete or a working stiff, obligation is to look after his family and his parents and you need $$$ to do that...bringing glory to his/her nation is great, but should be rewarded for his efforts and sacrifice...and er! abuse from fans whether he/she lost...hahaha!:p
tjl_vanguard 04-04-2007, 12:43 AM no $$$ no talk.. :D
angelatby 04-04-2007, 01:25 AM Money to survive and more money to enjoy a "better" life is certainly what a professional badminton player, like all other professionals in sports, industry and commerce, is looking forward to. Material benefits are necessary for living.
Of course, being a champion also brings with it the non-monetary incentives. To be able to call oneself the Champion of the World, that satisfaction for life money cannot buy. To be immortalized in the record books for future generations to remember, only a few can achieve this.
Though the Olympics per se does not reward winners with prize monies, being an Olympic champion can create lucrative spin-offs, particularly in commercial endorsements and sponsorships.
The Singapore Government has offered Olympic gold medal winners a cash prize of S$1 million, the silver commands S$500,000 and the bronze S$250,000. But only the most talented and committed can claim this prize! So no Singaporean athlete has won any of these prizes but now there are a few who are taking it more seriously! We got one Olympic silver medal long time ago in weightlifting but no such prizes were made available then. Our hero (very intangible recognition), Tan Howe Liang, remains a poor man helping out or supervising in the gym, I think.
I would therefore surmise that the monetary and material benefits are more important to most athletes.
Well said !!! However, i do believe NOT all players think the same way, implied to growing players. Many more factors to take into consideration for the point at which "sport" comes into existence rather than just focus on the prize money. Indeed, with money, bring more glory and enjoyment. Likewise, it will turn out like how Peter Gade who has been debating over and over about his dissatisfaction of the insufficient prize money of Competition, that he lost FOCUS on his Game, he himself crashed in the EARLIER ROUND of the recent past Superseries, LOL !
Linus 04-04-2007, 02:25 AM There are 2 types of players out there today:
(1) the true professional player who play full time badminton, e.g. PG, whose main income is the prize money (plus personal sponsorship deal, but this also depends on how often they win major events);
(2) the state sponsor player, whose main income is provided for by state as long as they are in the team. Usually they get a portion of the prize money as bonus. The current Chinese players are in this group.
For player in category 1, the prize money will be their focus because it directly affect their well being. For player in group 2, the prize money is still important, but less significant, as their main focus to keep themselves in the state-sponsorship program but winning tournament that are of importance to the state.
Let's say, if the Olympic games is held at the same time as a 7* open competition that offered the champion USD100,000 prize money. The chances are players that are in group 1 will skip Olympic and enter the 7* open, whilst players in group 2 will do the opposite.
The reality faced by these 2 groups of players are different, and we need to appreciate their position as a full time atheletes.
Going back to the topc of prize money for badminton tournament. It is actually unhealthy to see Yonex being the main sponsors for so many major events. Even they make tons of money, the money will be spread thin if they are sponsoring so many events annually.
ABC and BWF need to attract other big names to come forward to take up the sponsorships and relieve the burden on Yonex.
ABC Championship used to be sponsored by JVC for many years, but not sure why they stopped. We need these commercial entities to come back to support the sports.
X Ball 04-04-2007, 03:04 AM There are 2 types of players out there today:
(1) the true professional player who play full time badminton, e.g. PG, whose main income is the prize money (plus personal sponsorship deal, but this also depends on how often they win major events);
(2) the state sponsor player, whose main income is provided for by state as long as they are in the team. Usually they get a portion of the prize money as bonus. The current Chinese players are in this group.
For player in category 1, the prize money will be their focus because it directly affect their well being. For player in group 2, the prize money is still important, but less significant, as their main focus to keep themselves in the state-sponsorship program but winning tournament that are of importance to the state.
Let's say, if the Olympic games is held at the same time as a 7* open competition that offered the champion USD100,000 prize money. The chances are players that are in group 1 will skip Olympic and enter the 7* open, whilst players in group 2 will do the opposite.
The reality faced by these 2 groups of players are different, and we need to appreciate their position as a full time atheletes.
Going back to the topc of prize money for badminton tournament. It is actually unhealthy to see Yonex being the main sponsors for so many major events. Even they make tons of money, the money will be spread thin if they are sponsoring so many events annually.
ABC and BWF need to attract other big names to come forward to take up the sponsorships and relieve the burden on Yonex.
ABC Championship used to be sponsored by JVC for many years, but not sure why they stopped. We need these commercial entities to come back to support the sports.
Yes totally agree with what you said. I think the sponsorship dried up when the other sports did their marketing. ABC and BWF need to drive for funds through heavy marketing. No marketing no talk !
OneToughBirdie 04-04-2007, 02:10 PM [quote=Linus]There are 2 types of players out there today:
(1) the true professional player who play full time badminton, e.g. PG, whose main income is the prize money (plus personal sponsorship deal, but this also depends on how often they win major events);
PG has other incomes e.g. state salary as elite player similar to althete in North America and MAS, plus playing in club league in Europe.
If a player depends on prize money alone (and unless you are LD, there is not much Opens in a year that anyone can win enough to pay to live on) you can pretty much starve.
I would add a third group, that aims to win major tourney e.g. WC, Asiad and OLY where the $ reward is huge e.g. Singapore offers $1M for gold, INA offers $$$ to TH for OLY, WC and Asiad gold.
Let's say, if the Olympic games is held at the same time as a 7* open competition that offered the champion USD100,000 prize money. A MS gold in Super Series Open is only worth <US$20K, therefore there is not such USD100K prize money.
ABC Championship used to be sponsored by JVC for many years, but not sure why they stopped. We need these commercial entities to come back to support the sports Why JVC stopped and no big name sponsors come forward. Yonex is a maker of badminton products so it makes sense to promote the game. JVC quit sponsor, cos empty stadiums, not enough exposure and no TV broadcast, no interest from public especially in the commercial world of North America.
Linus 04-04-2007, 10:37 PM A MS gold in Super Series Open is only worth <US$20K, therefore there is not such USD100K prize money.[/COLOR]
Sigh.... the example I gave was meant to be a hypothetical one to illustrate the different priority of the 2 groups of players. Apologies if I confused anyone.
kktan 04-05-2007, 01:31 AM :) thanks for sharing ur views.
so knowledgable u all....
like a single handicapper in golf. salute
darenong 04-05-2007, 02:59 AM why would the guys in the US say that badminton is a backyard game and its not popular in the US ? is it bcos of the prize money ? or is it becos they play at thier backyard ? come on i play tennis with a wall before so does that make tennis a wall game ? lol .... i do think the prize money is the motivation that keeps an athlete alive and still be interested to do well in the game .....
im a fan of both tennis and badminton and i must say that badminton has a whole different excitement than tennis and its the only game that uses a shuttlecock and not a bouncing round rubber ball like in football, basketball, tennis, squash, etc etc but why is it so un-famous in the western coutries like USA, Canada, New Zealand etc etc ...... prize money ? :rolleyes:
alfa-2 04-05-2007, 04:24 AM Are you kidding that "players are generally not motivated by prize money"? So how are these players live on with no money and to retire one day. Winning WC and OLY pay more than any Open wins. An OLY gold for MAS is RM$3000 per month for life for each doubles player (this amount may have increased and I am not sure what the amount is for MS) and a one time payout too. I cannot remember the amount that SIN payout for OLY gold, I think it is S$1M, can my SIN BCer member confirm this for us? Winning All-England MD is only US$14,400 for KKK/TBH, but the Perak and Pinang state govt pay them RM$38,000 each (more than the US$7200 winning per person). TH winning OLY, WC and ASIAD gold payout huge amount of $$$, houses, car, etc. even though these events pay him no cash outright. CHN is different, the players are taken care by the CHN govt.
i think you r right....stil remember when CSK n YKH won the silver.
alfa-2 04-05-2007, 04:27 AM I did not say they are not motivated by money. I said "prize money". If badminton players are motivated by prize money, they have pretty low motivation.
However, I still feel that the biggest motivation is glory. A certain amount of money is of course neccessary to keep things going.
if the player isnt motivated by the price money.....he muz b a millionaire or his father muz have a "gold mountain" for him to dig.
price money will be the primary reward while glory adds on to the bonus part.
alfa-2 04-05-2007, 04:29 AM no $$$ no talk.. :D
i recalled some song sang by HK famous artist "Xu Guan Jie"....during the 80s.....hahaha:D:D:D:D
alfa-2 04-05-2007, 04:32 AM Well said indeed....A person, whether a professional athlete or a working stiff, obligation is to look after his family and his parents and you need $$$ to do that...bringing glory to his/her nation is great, but should be rewarded for his efforts and sacrifice...and er! abuse from fans whether he/she lost...hahaha!:p
well said my fren.......to hell with those supporters who cant handle bashings to the players they support when they fail to perform.:D:D:D:D:D after all, it's just bashings, means nothing........
Excerpts from a report by Lee U-Wen in "Today", April 5, 2007.
Singapore's growth in GDP terms has been impressive for many years. The very talented enjoy phenomenal pay rises and material benefits such that few are interested to participate in politics and join the government. So much so that in January 1994, the first Prime Minister, Mr Lee Kuan Yew, now Minister Mentor, had to introduce the idea of private sector benchmarks for ministers' pay. There was a great debate but in the end the government succeeded.
The search for talent is even greater now as the private sector is willing to pay handsomely to entice top talents and as the talented Singaporean is in great demand not only locally but also from abroad. Globalization has made it easier and the rich countries are able to attract the most talented to their shores.
Singapore's Ministers' pay is relatively high by world standards. Our Prime Minister's pay is reported to be even higher than that of Britain's and the US President, but the latter may enjoy better indirect perks. But as a fraction of Singapore's GDP, the total salaries of our Ministers and political appointments is low at just 0.22% or 0.13% of total Goverment expenditure.
Benchmarking Ministers' and top civil servants' pay to the private sector helps in preventing a talent drain from the government, reducing corruption and ensuring that the economy continues to grow and public services continue to improve. Corruption is the main reason why so many governments and countries fail.
So what has this got to do with badminton?
Well, we have debated how important it is for top players to be rewarded adequately for them to lead a better life. Otherwise, the best players will not remain long in the sport and the most talented may not want to take up badminton as a profession.
Our Minister Mentor also gave some examples on the world of sports and how top tennis players and famous footballers (and golfers I may add) were rewarded handsomely for their talent. That was the key to producing champions!
"It is a competitive world in which we live and if we can't compete, we are not going to live well," he said.
So how can we get the best talents in badminton when the prize monies and material benefits are relatively dismal? :(
alfa-2 04-05-2007, 06:45 AM yeah imagine someone who has great talents in both badminton n tennis.....which sport will he choose to be his profession? BWF needs to give serious thoughts in improving the price money in tournaments.
X Ball 04-05-2007, 06:49 AM Excerpts from a report by Lee U-Wen in "Today", April 5, 2007.
Singapore's growth in GDP terms has been impressive for many years. The very talented enjoy phenomenal pay rises and material benefits such that few are interested to participate in politics and join the government. So much so that in January 1994, the first Prime Minister, Mr Lee Kuan Yew, now Minister Mentor, had to introduce the idea of private sector benchmarks for ministers' pay. There was a great debate but in the end the government succeeded.
The search for talent is even greater now as the private sector is willing to pay handsomely to entice top talents and as the talented Singaporean is in great demand not only locally but also from abroad. Globalization has made it easier and the rich countries are able to attract the most talented to their shores.
Singapore's Ministers' pay is relatively high by world standards. Our Prime Minister's pay is reported to be even higher than that of Britain's and the US President, but the latter may enjoy better indirect perks. But as a fraction of Singapore's GDP, the total salaries of our Ministers and political appointments is low at just 0.22% or 0.13% of total Goverment expenditure.
Benchmarking Ministers' and top civil servants' pay to the private sector helps in preventing a talent drain from the government, reducing corruption and ensuring that the economy continues to grow and public services continue to improve. Corruption is the main reason why so many governments and countries fail.
So what has this got to do with badminton?
Well, we have debated how important it is for top players to be rewarded adequately for them to lead a better life. Otherwise, the best players will not remain long in the sport and the most talented may not want to take up badminton as a profession.
Our Minister Mentor also gave some examples on the world of sports and how top tennis players and famous footballers (and golfers I may add) were rewarded handsomely for their talent. That was the key to producing champions!
"It is a competitive world in which we live and if we can't compete, we are not going to live well," he said.
So how can we get the best talents in badminton when the prize monies and material benefits are relatively dismal? :(
How can academics/businesmen/non-sportsmen ever contemplate on the requirements of sport ? All your leaders (e.g. a lot of the above) know 'squat' about sports and for those who do they cannot do anything --- offering huge incentives will not get the sportsmen you want.
If you do not invest in sports but only in manufacturing/financial trading institutions, then expect only financial rewards not sporting ones (but of course there is nothing wrong with this --- just 'drool' or complain when your sportsmen don't bring back the fame). Loh, it is not all bad tho, considering you have lots of bowling alleys and swimming pools (and there are some Singaporeans who come out tops in those sports). Live with that my friend. Forget about glory in badminton --- it ain't going to come in a looooooooong time.:D
alfa-2 04-05-2007, 06:52 AM i agree with you on this......
OneToughBirdie 04-05-2007, 12:40 PM if the player isnt motivated by the price money.....he muz b a millionaire or his father muz have a "gold mountain" for him to dig.
price money will be the primary reward while glory adds on to the bonus part.
Concur with you...but add also that winning would also generate extra $$$ from govt incentives (sometimes these extras is more than the $$ from winning), plus potential endorsement $$$.
OneToughBirdie 04-05-2007, 12:52 PM yeah imagine someone who has great talents in both badminton n tennis.....which sport will he choose to be his profession? BWF needs to give serious thoughts in improving the price money in tournaments.
To substantially increase badminton prize $$$ would need major cash infusion that can only come from live TV broadcast, TV commercials, pay per view on TV and major sponsorships (Yonex and govt backing alone are not enough, actually is a drop in bucket and that is why the prize $$$ is so dismal), and the game needs to reach a global audience, like soccer, basketball, tennis. And most importantly, markets like North America and Europe where we like it or not are considered rich nations and sports driven.
Consider this, badminton, with Asians domination (only 3 teams has ever won the Thomas Cup, and the current WS, WD domination by CHN is not doing the game any favors).
phaarix 04-05-2007, 04:49 PM There are some nice posts in this thread... very interesting discussion.
Excerpts from a report by Lee U-Wen in "Today", April 5, 2007.
Singapore's Ministers' pay is relatively high by world standards. Our Prime Minister's pay is reported to be even higher than that of Britain's and the US President, but the latter may enjoy better indirect perks. But as a fraction of Singapore's GDP, the total salaries of our Ministers and political appointments is low at just 0.22% or 0.13% of total Goverment expenditure.
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This is outside the original topic. 0.13% of total Gov't expenditure ? That's quite a lot. Gov't expenditure is meant for the benefit and happiness of all citizens. That means besides earning salary, the ministers also enjoy other benefit such as the infrastructure, the schools, other public facilities built, etc.
What % of total Gov't expenditure is for gold-medal winning athelete ? What % of total Gov't expenditure is for all altheletes ?
Find people who are happy to help their fellow citizens to be ministers, of course the pay should be sufficient enough for them.
hcyong 04-05-2007, 09:55 PM yeah imagine someone who has great talents in both badminton n tennis.....which sport will he choose to be his profession? BWF needs to give serious thoughts in improving the price money in tournaments.
It's a no-brainer, of course. The more interesting question is: If someone can become top 5 in badminton but only top 100 in tennis (still making more money than badminton), what will he choose?
darenong 04-06-2007, 03:28 AM i strongly believe malaysia's badminton will bring more fame and glory to malaysia than squash or any other sport in malaysia ... cos its the world watching and the pair or individual that won the tournament is gonna be celebrated with fans around the globe !!! i bet non of u can name 1 player that won sepak takraw gold in the sea games unless u search for it or if they even win any gold well i cant sorry .... so why not take this oppurtunity and make malaysia even louder than it alreadi is in the world by using badminton ??? more money is the only way more talents will come and join us .... and more youngster would come and prove themselves .....
the population in china cant find a pair tat can beat kkk/tbh ? maybe only on par !!!??? ratio to ratio we won hands down (err MD and maybe single only thou as LCW was world No. 1)!!! i think badminton is the best for malaysia to develope it as major sport ... since most other sports is conquered by other coutry china (gymnastics) and other european countries (football) .... etc etc
seriously .. i feel damn proud listening to the speakers from my mini hi-fi from spectators shouting Malaysia Boleh !
i hope new slogan can come out .... like Malaysia Kuat ! cos sudah memang boleh mahhhhh hehehehhe :D :p
JaCk™ 04-06-2007, 12:13 PM seriously .. i feel damn proud listening to the speakers from my mini hi-fi from spectators shouting Malaysia Boleh !
nice to have a badminton fan brother like you.. it brings me back to the eighties when we listened to radio broadcasting badminton events.. haha..
alfa-2 04-06-2007, 10:50 PM It's a no-brainer, of course. The more interesting question is: If someone can become top 5 in badminton but only top 100 in tennis (still making more money than badminton), what will he choose?
i think i did mention that one who has talents in both tennis n badminton (same level)? and mostly this player will be a non-Asian. and if im the parent of this little boy, ill definitely ask my kid to go for a better profession which guarantees a better future.
alfa-2 04-06-2007, 10:55 PM i strongly believe malaysia's badminton will bring more fame and glory to malaysia than squash or any other sport in malaysia ... cos its the world watching and the pair or individual that won the tournament is gonna be celebrated with fans around the globe !!! i bet non of u can name 1 player that won sepak takraw gold in the sea games unless u search for it or if they even win any gold well i cant sorry .... so why not take this oppurtunity and make malaysia even louder than it alreadi is in the world by using badminton ??? more money is the only way more talents will come and join us .... and more youngster would come and prove themselves .....
the population in china cant find a pair tat can beat kkk/tbh ? maybe only on par !!!??? ratio to ratio we won hands down (err MD and maybe single only thou as LCW was world No. 1)!!! i think badminton is the best for malaysia to develope it as major sport ... since most other sports is conquered by other coutry china (gymnastics) and other european countries (football) .... etc etc
seriously .. i feel damn proud listening to the speakers from my mini hi-fi from spectators shouting Malaysia Boleh !
i hope new slogan can come out .... like Malaysia Kuat ! cos sudah memang boleh mahhhhh hehehehhe :D :p
how about "Malaysia Takde Kaki (boh kah in hokkien)"........:D:D:D:D:D meaning no worthy opponents....hahhaha......or Malaysia Tongkat Ali?? LOL LOLOLOLOOLOLL
angelatby 04-08-2007, 09:11 PM i strongly believe malaysia's badminton will bring more fame and glory to malaysia than squash or any other sport in malaysia ... cos its the world watching and the pair or individual that won the tournament is gonna be celebrated with fans around the globe !!! i bet non of u can name 1 player that won sepak takraw gold in the sea games unless u search for it or if they even win any gold well i cant sorry .... so why not take this oppurtunity and make malaysia even louder than it alreadi is in the world by using badminton ??? more money is the only way more talents will come and join us .... and more youngster would come and prove themselves .....
the population in china cant find a pair tat can beat kkk/tbh ? maybe only on par !!!??? ratio to ratio we won hands down (err MD and maybe single only thou as LCW was world No. 1)!!! i think badminton is the best for malaysia to develope it as major sport ... since most other sports is conquered by other coutry china (gymnastics) and other european countries (football) .... etc etc
seriously .. i feel damn proud listening to the speakers from my mini hi-fi from spectators shouting Malaysia Boleh !
i hope new slogan can come out .... like Malaysia Kuat ! cos sudah memang boleh mahhhhh hehehehhe :D :p
LOL!!! u indeed have deep thoughts for the growth of Badminton in Malaysia & you see the evolution on this to the Paramount yeah, dont put too Much hope, later Heart Attack, i experienced many times, LOL !! :D
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