Best Chances to Beat China Players

[2cents]

In Men's singles, China players take the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and 6th in the ranking. Sounds very strong, but in fact, this coming Singapore open and Indo Open are the best chances to beat them.

Traditionally, at Singapore open and Indo Open, China players did not perform as good as in other tournaments. The weather over there is very hot, and humid, which also changes the speed of the shuttlecock a lot. Crazy fans, even referees and umpires are problems also.

This time, things got worse for China players, none of them is in a good form, or even a normal form.

The World number 6 Chen Yu is suffering from injuries, His form is so bad that he even quit the Asian tournament last week.

The World number 4 Chen Hong is out of the national team, and manage himself without logistic support. His training is not back to normal either.

The World number 3 Chen Jin hurt his foot during a football match. During the low level city games in China last week, he won only 1 match and lost 2 matches against local players.

The World number 2 Bao Chunlai sounds like totally collapsed. Even the weakest China player Chen Yu claimed that there was so boring to play with Bao during the training because Bao's level is plummeting. Chen Yu even cannot warm him up to beat Bao.

The World number 1 Lin Dan is still suffering the injuries he got in Swiss open. The worst thing is that Lin now claimed that he's not interested in winning tournaments any more. When reporters asked him about his chance in the quarter-final against Lee CW, he answered "win or lose does not make any difference, if I win, can I guarentteed Olympics gold?" What a weird answer. He said he's thinking about quitting some super series, because he claimed his job is to win the Olympics gold not the Singapore opens or Indo opens, no matter how many titles he got in tournaments, will not help him to win the Olympics gold. Sounds Lin's mind is twisted now.

I think Indo trios Taufik, Song and Simon will make some big noises this time. They are at least the most experienced in playing shuttlecock in those hot and humid environment.

[Dreamzz]

IO will be very difficult for non-indonesians, just because of the support and atmosphere in the stadium from the fans. also, TH seems to be invincible there, so it's hard to see him not winning again if he's fit.

[indra]

The World number 1 Lin Dan is still suffering the injuries he got in Swiss open. The worst thing is that Lin now claimed that he's not interested in winning tournaments any more. When reporters asked him about his chance in the quarter-final against Lee CW, he answered "win or lose does not make any difference, if I win, can I guarentteed Olympics gold?" What a weird answer. He said he's thinking about quitting some super series, because he claimed his job is to win the Olympics gold not the Singapore opens or Indo opens, no matter how many titles he got in tournaments, will not help him to win the Olympics gold. Sounds Lin's mind is twisted now.

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I have advice to LD....Get married to XXF...have a 1 month honeymoon....and come back to Badminton....:D

[markhamplayer]

Good advice for all other players except LD. He will get his whole body tired faster than boiling an egg. Don't listen to Indra otherwise you will be very sorry!

[indra]

Good advice for all other players except LD. He will get his whole body tired faster than boiling an egg. Don't listen to Indra otherwise you will be very sorry!

It's time for LD to enjoy life and relax a bit....he has been number 1 for almost 3 years....a 1 month honeymoon will certainly energize both LD and XXF:D ....and of course Badminton will be much more interesting by then...

We will have a more interesting rivalry; energized TH vs energized LD:D

[Shifty]

It's time for LD to enjoy life and relax a bit....he has been number 1 for almost 3 years....a 1 month honeymoon will certainly energize both LD and XXF:D ....and of course Badminton will be much more interesting by then...

We will have a more interesting rivalry; energized TH vs energized LD:D

actually you're right for Lin Dan to have a break. he is so far a head in points it requires Bao Chunlai, at second, to win at least two Super Sereis, plus another tournament to get level with Lin Dan, so Lin Dan is safe in terms of Olympics and World Champ qualifications, i think it is right he has a break.

[CLELY]

In Men's singles, China players take the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and 6th in the ranking. Sounds very strong, but in fact, this coming Singapore open and Indo Open are the best chances to beat them.

Traditionally, at Singapore open and Indo Open, China players did not perform as good as in other tournaments. The weather over there is very hot, and humid, which also changes the speed of the shuttlecock a lot. Crazy fans, even referees and umpires are problems also.

This time, things got worse for China players, none of them is in a good form, or even a normal form.

I think Indo trios Taufik, Song and Simon will make some big noises this time. They are at least the most experienced in playing shuttlecock in those hot and humid environment.

Wish your prediction comes true, the unfit condition of CHN players will be good prospect for INA MS in next 2 South-East Asia Super Series! About the weather in Jakarta is still comfortable (not very hot) until May as predicted by INA's BMG (Meteorological and Geophysics Agency).

[cao ci dan]

....The worst thing is that Lin now claimed that he's not interested in winning tournaments any more. When reporters asked him about his chance in the quarter-final against Lee CW, he answered "win or lose does not make any difference, if I win, can I guarentteed Olympics gold?" ...Sounds Lin's mind is twisted now.
:eek: He sounds like Taufik!:D but LD can still win in IO...:)

[indra]

:eek: He sounds like Taufik!:D but LD can still win in IO...:)


He...he...he...LD is beginning to get nervous about the TH return :D

[X Ball]

He...he...he...LD is beginning to get nervous about the TH return :D

I am beginning to think you are plotting for TH. But let me dampen your spirit a bit by saying TH don't normally win 2 in a row ! :D

[liying_0505]

Maybe Lin Dan is thinking of getting married...... so he's not interested of winning.....
But then, he sounds really sarcastic.

[virusvoodoo]

In Men's singles, China players take the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and 6th in the ranking. Sounds very strong, but in fact, this coming Singapore open and Indo Open are the best chances to beat them.

Traditionally, at Singapore open and Indo Open, China players did not perform as good as in other tournaments. The weather over there is very hot, and humid, which also changes the speed of the shuttlecock a lot. Crazy fans, even referees and umpires are problems also.

This time, things got worse for China players, none of them is in a good form, or even a normal form.

The World number 6 Chen Yu is suffering from injuries, His form is so bad that he even quit the Asian tournament last week.

The World number 4 Chen Hong is out of the national team, and manage himself without logistic support. His training is not back to normal either.

The World number 3 Chen Jin hurt his foot during a football match. During the low level city games in China last week, he won only 1 match and lost 2 matches against local players.

The World number 2 Bao Chunlai sounds like totally collapsed. Even the weakest China player Chen Yu claimed that there was so boring to play with Bao during the training because Bao's level is plummeting. Chen Yu even cannot warm him up to beat Bao.

The World number 1 Lin Dan is still suffering the injuries he got in Swiss open. The worst thing is that Lin now claimed that he's not interested in winning tournaments any more. When reporters asked him about his chance in the quarter-final against Lee CW, he answered "win or lose does not make any difference, if I win, can I guarentteed Olympics gold?" What a weird answer. He said he's thinking about quitting some super series, because he claimed his job is to win the Olympics gold not the Singapore opens or Indo opens, no matter how many titles he got in tournaments, will not help him to win the Olympics gold. Sounds Lin's mind is twisted now.

I think Indo trios Taufik, Song and Simon will make some big noises this time. They are at least the most experienced in playing shuttlecock in those hot and humid environment.


Yeah I agree. For some reason, Chinese players weren't performing or even attending this tournaments in the past few years. This year, they have a strong line-up but we shall see how they will do with the players that usually do well such as Peter Gade, Taufik Hidayat, and Kenneth Jonassen.

Actually I think Chen Hong also does well in the past at this tournament, claiming one title and making it to the finals and semifinals in other years.

[2cents]

Actually I think Chen Hong also does well in the past at this tournament, claiming one title and making it to the finals and semifinals in other years.

I remember Chen Hong won back 2 back Singapore opens before. So he must have won at least twice, right?

[virusvoodoo]

I remember Chen Hong won back 2 back Singapore opens before. So he must have won at least twice, right?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singapore_Open_(badminton)

You are correct Chen Hong won it twice, back to back, in 2002 & 2003. He also made it to the finals but was defeated by Taufik Hidayat in 2005, who was also the winner of the title back in 2001.

I thought Peter Gade won the title twice but it is only Chen Hong, Taufik Hidayat, Arbi Heryanto, and Bambang Suprianto who won it twice. Both Gade (2006) & Jonassen (2004) only won it once.


NOTE: Off topic here but isn't it incorrect that the Singapore Open Men's Doubles of 2000 were Lee Yongbo & Tian Bingyi? Didn't Li Yongbo & Tian Bingyi retired back in 1994 or 1995? I think this is a mistake and it is probably Lee Dong Soo & Yoo Yung Sung.

[2cents]

Wow, exactly like what I predicted, China team is not invincible any more. It is the best chance to defeat them. Singapore open is singular, it is the Waterloo for the big names.

Zheng Bo/Gao Ling never lost before, has won all the titles. Now they lost in this singular Singapore open. Singapore Open buried their amazing 100% winning record.

KKK/TBH won almost all titles except lost only twice in the final before, but Singapore even refused them in the first round.

Lin Dan has been phenomenon with 10 titles in a year! but no hope in Singapore.

[jumpjump]

wow, lin dan is slowly acquiring Taufik hidayat's attitude towards winning....yes, it is all about winning the big things now. lets see if he really can handle the pressure in beijing...the waist injury was indeed something!!!!

[Shifty]

Wow, exactly like what I predicted, China team is not invincible any more. It is the best chance to defeat them. Singapore open is singular, it is the Waterloo for the big names.

Zheng Bo/Gao Ling never lost before, has won all the titles. Now they lost in this singular Singapore open. Singapore Open buried their amazing 100% winning record.

KKK/TBH won almost all titles except lost only twice in the final before, but Singapore even refused them in the first round.

Lin Dan has been phenomenon with 10 titles in a year! but no hope in Singapore.

china never was invincible. they've been defeated many times, but they are the most consistent and with the most depth in players. don't always look at china for the wins, but they are the most likely, just not invincible.

[2cents]

Wow, who had imagined that it was Boonsak who took this advantage to grab the singular Singapore title. Great job!

Hard to believe that China players have enough time to regroup in the coming Indon open, let us see how far Boonsak can go in the Indon open. Good luck.

[tutu_h]

Actually Indonesia Open is the worst for China. for more than 25 years, non of the chinese MS players managed to grap a title. The last MS won by china in Indonesia Open was 1989 by XiongGuoBao (if i am not mistaken).

[2cents]

Actually Indonesia Open is the worst for China. for more than 25 years, non of the chinese MS players managed to grap a title. The last MS won by china in Indonesia Open was 1989 by XiongGuoBao (if i am not mistaken).

I think China team won 3 titles last year at Indonesia open, right? Not bad at all for China team.

But Year 2007 is the first time in history that China sends all top players to Indonesia open. Taufik did won many times before, but very few competitions. If Taufik can win this year Indonesia open, he will be a real champion. Although I still think Taufik has quite a chance to win, Boonsak and Lin Dan should be in better form than Taufik.

[Han]

I think China team won 3 titles last year at Indonesia open, right? Not bad at all for China team.

But Year 2007 is the first time in history that China sends all top players to Indonesia open. Taufik did won many times before, but very few competitions. If Taufik can win this year Indonesia open, he will be a real champion. Although I still think Taufik has quite a chance to win, Boonsak and Lin Dan should be in better form than Taufik.

If Taufik win this title then there's something he can brag about as China, for the first time in recent history, sending full team to Indonesia Open.

[tjl_vanguard]

IO is definitely the hardest for non-Ina players.... fuh... when u hear the crowd start roaring, u're legs might actually NUMB! haha :D

[JaCk™]

Taufik shall win the men singles title. he has rested enough after his defeat in Singapore Open while Boonsak might feel a little tired. Taufik's threat will come from Lin Dan. I can't find any player who can beat Taufik consistently.

[tjl_vanguard]

Taufik shall win the men singles title. he has rested enough after his defeat in Singapore Open while Boonsak might feel a little tired. Taufik's threat will come from Lin Dan. I can't find any player who can beat Taufik consistently.
haha i think IO is Taufik's for the taking unless he is beaten by his own compatriot... still, that is only my prediction... :D

[JaCk™]

Simon can spring a surprise but he still lack the consistency. he started showing results recently. Lin Dan might face difficulty facing Taufik at his own homeground. hard for 'foreigners' to go into the indonesia lion den.

[tjl_vanguard]

Simon can spring a surprise but he still lack the consistency. he started showing results recently. Lin Dan might face difficulty facing Taufik at his own homeground. hard for 'foreigners' to go into the indonesia lion den.
yeap! totally agreed.... :D

[JaCk™]

i am looking forward to see Taufik performing a backhand smash in his homeground again like what he did in Thomas Cup to Kenneth Jonassen in front of his home crowd.

[Felicia_txh]

haha i think IO is Taufik's for the taking unless he is beaten by his own compatriot... still, that is only my prediction... :D
Taufik is really a good player!!his technique,skill,spirit everything is great!!:eek: hard to believe if he lost to his own compatriot..:p

[abedeng]

Taufik had lost before to Simon in one Indonesian Open. That year the title was won by Lee Hyun Il. The last non-INA player to win before that was Yong Hock Kin in 1998.

[JaCk™]

if Taufik is in top form, nobody can stop him. i'm still waiting for a day when malaysia have our own taufik hidayat. not enough talent huh? we need to start from the world junior championship. a good example is tan boon heong. China has very strong junior players. China looks safe in the future but Malaysia might face some shortage of good men's singles.

[Smichz]

Chinese commentators in CCTV dont even like LD..well,just some parts though.They prefers other players like CJ,CH,TH,PG,etc.One commentators said something about "flying move to save the ball",and he said LD is the best for that..but some experts said,that's because he is lacking in the footstep skill,so that he has to fly to save balls.LOL..

[Smichz]

Simon can spring a surprise but he still lack the consistency. he started showing results recently. Lin Dan might face difficulty facing Taufik at his own homeground. hard for 'foreigners' to go into the indonesia lion den.

He n chen yu r not coming rite?

[JaCk™]

He n chen yu r not coming rite?

definitely not coming. you know the reasons why? there are so many speculation out there..

[Joyous]

definitely not coming. you know the reasons why? there are so many speculation out there..

Yep no point speculating. I take leave from work too when I am mentally sap & my body tells me to. So these 2 guys, esp. LD deserve a break too.

[Shifty]

Yep no point speculating. I take leave from work too when I am mentally sap & my body tells me to. So these 2 guys, esp. LD deserve a break too.

i think it's really smart for Lin Dan to take a break. he is so far ahead Bao has to win two super series in a row to get anywhere near him, so he's safe. i think he'll take this chance to rest up for later on in the year, as the Olympic qualification period has only just started and he still has a year to earn his points

[$100 Dreams]

Quite speechless looking at the statistics.. 10 titles in a year.. bao have to win this and that to catch up lin dan, which means eveyone else have to do double that to get to no. 1 spot..

hey joyous, i like the part where you went no point specualting. perceptions have changed a lot.. it used to be 'tactics' when lin dan skipped a tournement.. now everyone have got to the point, "yea, lin dan, you should go for a honeymoon", " you're skipping the next open? dont worry about it!" haha.. i like the new attitude.. he's a great player and there are great, appreciative badm fans!

[JaCk™]

bao chun lai is in final tomorrow. this thread is irrelevant as taufik lost the best chance to beat china players. a shock defeat for taufik too as bao chun lai dominated the match right from the beginning today. tomorrow's outcome will prove the relevance of this thread. i'm a bit disappointed by taufik's lost too.

[ronnie14]

lin dan rox :) LCW rox too... n Taufik is a rookie as well :)

[Joyous]

Since there's so much 'resentment' in China's dominance, I guess it will do the sports some good that SO & IO (in particular men's single) saw no Chinese dominance. Hopefully, the fans are more at peace with one another now that 6 SS are over and the pie is being shared by 3 other nations where the men's single is concerned.

[2cents]

... this thread is irrelevant as taufik lost the best chance to beat china players. a shock defeat for taufik too as bao chun lai dominated the match right from the beginning today. tomorrow's outcome will prove the relevance of this thread. i'm a bit disappointed by taufik's lost too.

Remember last year?

Chinese swept all titles after Malaysia open, including Thomas Cup, Chinese Taipei open, Macau Open, Thailand Open, Korea Open, Hong Kong Open, World Championships, Japan Open, China Open, Denmark open. 10 titles in a row. Even in a year round, they took nearly 90% (weighted) of the titles (in MS). Lin Dan alone took 70% (weighted) of the titles, and Chen Hong, Chen Jin, Bao Chunlai were 2nd, 3rd and 4th best. Taufik, Gade, Lee CW, Lee HI, (all these are the best players according to IBF) were all totally tamed.

But this past Singapore open and Indon open, China lost both titles. What a big difference! This thread is so relevant. I predicted so accurate. Those were the best chance to beat Chinese. Only Boonsak and Lee CW took that advantages to bring them to a higher level in their personal history. In fact, neither Boonsak nor Lee CW had ever won anything as big as 6 star (even 5 star) titles in their lifes. They listened to my advice:cool: , and they won.

It's a big failure for Chinese team since they were used to win 90% of the titles. Chinese's lose were Boonsak and Lee CW's gain, no one else. The guys hadn't taken this precious chance, will not find the similar luck again.

Both Boonsak and Lee CW made history for themselves because they knew this was the best chance and no body can afford to miss it.

[tjl_vanguard]

just hope that this is not the end for Lee CW and Boonsak and Peter GADE!!! it'll be a boring sport if its always china who wins! :(

[Shifty]

Remember last year?

Chinese swept all titles after Malaysia open, including Thomas Cup, Chinese Taipei open, Macau Open, Thailand Open, Korea Open, Hong Kong Open, World Championships, Japan Open, China Open, Denmark open. 10 titles in a row. Even in a year round, they took nearly 90% (weighted) of the titles (in MS). Lin Dan alone took 70% (weighted) of the titles, and Chen Hong, Chen Jin, Bao Chunlai were 2nd, 3rd and 4th best. Taufik, Gade, Lee CW, Lee HI, (all these are the best players according to IBF) were all totally tamed.

But this past Singapore open and Indon open, China lost both titles. What a big difference! This thread is so relevant. I predicted so accurate. Those were the best chance to beat Chinese. Only Boonsak and Lee CW took that advantages to bring them to a higher level in their personal history. In fact, neither Boonsak nor Lee CW had ever won anything as big as 6 star (even 5 star) titles in their lifes. They listened to my advice:cool: , and they won.

It's a big failure for Chinese team since they were used to win 90% of the titles. Chinese's lose were Boonsak and Lee CW's gain, no one else. The guys hadn't taken this precious chance, will not find the similar luck again.

Both Boonsak and Lee CW made history for themselves because they knew this was the best chance and no body can afford to miss it.

it's two titles, you cannot judge the future nor an average performance by two titles, especially as the were won by two different people. LCW won the Malaysian Open several times, if i'm not mistaken, and that's 6 star. by the way, your examples only come in men's singles, you failed to notice the other sports. while china did lose the women's singles, that's once in a long time, so it may be an anomaly in the chart. i'm not saying Wang Chen didn't deserve to win, she did, but just that it won't happen all that often.

[2cents]

... LCW won the Malaysian Open several times, if i'm not mistaken, and that's 6 star. ...

Unfortunately, You are mistaken.

Malaysia Open 2006, 2005, 2004... were all 4 star only. LCW has never won 5 star or above before IO 2007.

[Joyous]

{quote 2cents]But this past Singapore open and Indon open, China lost both titles. What a big difference! This thread is so relevant. I predicted so accurate.

I think China has never done well in men's single in IO & to a lesser extent SO. I am not surprised that they didn't win the men's single but the women's single having eluded China was certainly a surprise.

[Han]

Unfortunately, You are mistaken.

Malaysia Open 2006, 2005, 2004... were all 4 star only. LCW has never won 5 star or above before IO 2007.

Lee Chong Wei won the Denmark Open(2005?), I believe Denmark open is 5-6 star, you can argue Chinese didn't send the first team on that year though.

[jimbo]

Unfortunately, You are mistaken.

Malaysia Open 2006, 2005, 2004... were all 4 star only. LCW has never won 5 star or above before IO 2007.

Are you sure that Msia Open (before Super Series) was a 4-star event? Hmm... I thought MO was one of the highest tournament that offered the biggest prize (US$200k++). If that was the case, shouldnt it be a 6-star event? Just curious.... :eek:

Anyway, LCW pocketed a cool US$20,000 for the MS title :)

[Han]

Are you sure that Msia Open (before Super Series) was a 4-star event? Hmm... I thought MO was one of the highest tournament that offered the biggest prize (US$200k++). If that was the case, shouldnt it be a 6-star event? Just curious.... :eek:

Anyway, LCW pocketed a cool US$20,000 for the MS title :)

Yes, Malaysia has been a 4-star event before the Super-series.

[pjswift]

Lee Chong Wei won the Denmark Open(2005?), I believe Denmark open is 5-6 star, you can argue Chinese didn't send the first team on that year though.
If you argue in this way, you can question LD's titles for those that TH did not turn up!

[Han]

If you argue in this way, you can question LD's titles for those that TH did not turn up!

I don't argue about that as it was not LCW fault if Chinese decided not to show, but many do. I am just happy of the Malaysian win :D

[Marc E]

Just my 2 cents worth (normally 2 pence but this is an international board... ;) ) but i found these 2 tournaments the most unpredictable and hence exciting that i've followed for a long time. As much as i respect the chinese abillity to dominate certain events it was great to see non-chinese players in with a genuine chance of winning. My guess is that the playing conditions/crowds had enough effect to influence otherwise routine results, and even these can change during the tournament, sometimes during a game.
Out of curiousity, does anyone know if the hall in Singapore was slow?

[cooler]

It's time for LD to enjoy life and relax a bit....he has been number 1 for almost 3 years....a 1 month honeymoon will certainly energize both LD and XXF:D ....and of course Badminton will be much more interesting by then...

We will have a more interesting rivalry; energized TH vs energized LD:D
hahaha, admit it, as a die hard TH fan, u r jealous of LD's consistent #1 status. Admit it, TH performance is lacking lately and looking bleak, u want to see LD performance to degrade to make your hero look good. A very shallow thinking i would say.

[Joyous]

One American analyst quoted this saying over America's resentment towards China's growing economy - "Charity rejoices in our neighbour's good, while envy grieves over it "- by Thomas Aquinas.
Sigh...this kind of thing happen in sports, schools, colleges, offices & oh yes, sometimes amongst friends & family members.