Yes, despite all your stinging remarks about Misbun, I am saying he should be promoted back to being the official BAM's Singles Coach. And no 'BUT' please !

Why you ask ? BECAUSE AN INJUSTICE WAS DONE TO HIM ! When Hafiz dropped in form after the ALL-ENGLAND, they called in Li Mao but it was not to train HAFIZ but everybody else. Why ? You should ask ?

Now look at Hafiz beating a revitalised LCW, who was going to improve. What does it mean....it means Misbun was a good coach, it was the Hafiz, the BAD player.

With Hafiz now saying he will be more motivated to win because of his impending marriage (needs the money more than ever I bet !), it proves my point that there was nothing wrong with the coaching but everything to do with the motivation of the player.

Sure, for those who want a foreign coach, think about this : Li Mao left in a hurry after less than a couple of years services and all it did was raised LCW to become a loser eventually. Is this for the good of all Malaysian players ? Did you not hear it from LCW --- he voluntarily went back to Misbun ? Why don't you hear it from the player himself --- he would not be wrong because it would mean the worse for his career if he goes back to the wrong coach. He knows Misbun is good.

So, think again you shallow fans of no faith in your own countryman coach. Shame on you !

i think you might not have all the facts right on this one. as far as i can remember, when li mao was hired, HH was given a choice and he chose to continue training under misbun.

as for li mao leaving in a hurry, that's BAM's fault and not his own. stalling a coach on a new contract for months on end is very demoralising and not having job security is a concern, so i don't blame li mao for taking a firmer offer elsewhere.

i think you might not have all the facts right on this one. as far as i can remember, when li mao was hired, HH was given a choice and he chose to continue training under misbun.

as for li mao leaving in a hurry, that's BAM's fault and not his own. stalling a coach on a new contract for months on end is very demoralising and not having job security is a concern, so i don't blame li mao for taking a firmer offer elsewhere.

Yeah they did not think it was Misbun's faults that Hafiz droppd in form,which is my point. And Li Mao was not forced to quit, he just felt insecure and did not want to wait around like the other coaches (BAM always said they were going to rehire all of them but they have to wait).

But my point here is MISBUN SHOULD BE RECONFIRMED AS HEAD SINGLES Coach.

Fresh idea but your point are not strong enough to convince me Misbun deserves it. Look at players under his belt, show me the results !!! The fact that Hafiz beat LCW by surprise at this tournament only tells me LCW continues to go downhill, Hafiz remains the same old Hafiz who can no longer show any promises.

I believe Hafiz will lose to a lower rank player in the Aviva Open soon. LCW is just too lousy recently. I dun want to comment him anymore. Just too upset...

I think this thread can be settled. Hafiz just convincingly lost to Boonsak. So it's LCW playing worse than before, not Hafiz bounce back.

I believe Hafiz will lose to a lower rank player in the Aviva Open soon. LCW is just too lousy recently. I dun want to comment him anymore. Just too upset...

Agreed, Hafiz is a goner already. I cannot understand why BAM is still banging on him. He is probably the MOST unreliable, inconsistent player I ever seen in M'sian badmintnon history. At least I can see Kuan BH made an effort though losing to Chen Yu today.
As I have mentioned before, there is NO WAy Hafiz will put in 100% effort into playing badminton anymore as he is already a millionaire (in RM) after winning AE.

[quote=block306] As I have mentioned before, there is NO WAy Hafiz will put in 100% effort into playing badminton anymore as he is already a millionaire (in RM) after winning AE.

Can you confirm this, RM$1m payout or are you guessing? That is very interesting and I sure would like to know, thanks.

Actually for Kuan BH and Hafiz, there is no other direction for them except down...

Why you ask ? BECAUSE AN INJUSTICE WAS DONE TO HIM ! When Hafiz dropped in form after the ALL-ENGLAND, they called in Li Mao but it was not to train HAFIZ but everybody else. Why ? You should ask ?


i think that's an injustice done to Hafiz more than to Misbun. but perhaps not as i remember correctly, it was Hafiz own choosing to continue to train under Misbun, afterall, he was from the Mahsuri stable and i think he held some loyalty to his coach.

so imho, no injustice are done here. it is all to each person's own choosing.

yup, i agree that HH's inconsistency is a problem. he obviously has the skill and talent to beat the best players in the world, but i think he needs some mental training more than physical training at the moment. i bet you if he had a mentor/sports phychologist/motivator he'd be a different player.

as for KBH, he remains an enigma to me. he seems to produce his best form when he's up against the top players, eventually losing a close tie. however, when he plays against lower ranked/skilled opponents, he doesn't appear to have to bottle to defeat them.

Hopefully, people don't carry much false hope on either LCW or HH any more. Both of them seems to be very happy if they are to be the successor of LHI as the new Mr. Quarter-finalist... funny how LCW said he wants to make it to the semi for once this year in either the Singapore or Indonesia Open when he has to beat Lin Dan in both event to get there. Now that he couldn't even beat Hafiz, when Hafiz admitted that he was already tired... How in the world is he going to beat Lin Dan whom has more stamina and a much better player than Hafiz???:rolleyes::confused::confused::confused:

This only reveals a serious flaw in BAM system or they have too much money to burn. I do not believe Mal is short of young talent players. However, Hafiz (another player in the same league is Lee Tsuan Seng ) is just there in every tournament and we know he will be out in early rounds, its so predictable. Why keep him there ??? Why keep players who no longer show promises ??? Do like China, promote the young players and kick those seniors out if they cannot advance anymore.

Hmmm.....I think everyone has strong ideas here like me.

I am still not convinced that Hafiz nor LCW are not back on track even though they are out of the SO this early, which I think is only because Hafiz expended too much energy trying to prove a point that LCW can be beaten by him.

I think both of them are getting better but unfortunately you are guys get to call the shot here because Hafiz could not carry on to prove the case.

As far as I am concerned, nobody can blame Misbun because he had shown that his coaching had gotten positive results before : e.g. Hafiz with AE, WCH with runners-up in World Championship (and No.1 momentarily), and LCW gaining from his tutelage and breaking into the big-time (multiple MOs).

I think the players and perhaps an inexperienced BAM are to be blamed - BAM for not making sure the players sustained their efforts by enforcing strict training regimes, and players for taking easy and letting their mindsets be weakened by gifts/money. Sometimes giving too much too quickly takes away the motivation of the players.

... do any of them can 'cope' with the rest of the world ? or they r just playing thier best ... same with the coaches ... they do the best they can think of .. but sometimes the best in them is not as good as the rest of the world is packed with .... and ... misbun as head coach is a joke ! i seriously believe that if hafiz was training under li mao instead of lcw ... hafiz could just have wat it takes to be lin dan's greatest rival .... th is just old lol
tats onli my believe dont ask idiot questions please lol i repeat dont ask stupitt questions

Misbun's Rejuvenation? nah.... unlikely... he doesnt seem to have that ooomph to be the head coach...

look now, at the Singapore Open, the best singles performer is Wong Choon Hahn, and who coaches him? Wong Tat Meng...

Everytime Hafiz and LCW represent Msia, their results are predictable. They will not bring any title home. Why BAM still want to waste money on them?
If I were BAM, I would rather pick the youngsters with good prospect to play the tournaments. At least we have something to look forward.

Boonsak is in fabulous form this time. ;)

Everytime Hafiz and LCW represent Msia, their results are predictable. They will not bring any title home. Why BAM still want to waste money on them?
If I were BAM, I would rather pick the youngsters with good prospect to play the tournaments. At least we have something to look forward.

Everytime Hafiz and LCW represent Msia, their results are predictable. They will not bring any title home. Why BAM still want to waste money on them?
If I were BAM, I would rather pick the youngsters with good prospect to play the tournaments. At least we have something to look forward.
Name some youngsters and give us some prediction of how far they will go in SS. Will they even qualify or get past the first round? That's something to look forward to? Sure, dump LCW and Hafiz now. What have you got? Name them now.

Of course Msia dun hav a youngster who can win a title within a short period. But experience will help the youngster grow into a better player for sure. The youngsters need more exposure, especially the experience playing against the world class players.
Instead of wasting money on those players who already cannot make it, why don't we spend those money to polish the youngsters?

Of course Msia dun hav a youngster who can win a title within a short period. But experience will help the youngster grow into a better player for sure. The youngsters need more exposure, especially the experience playing against the world class players.
Instead of wasting money on those players who already cannot make it, why don't we spend those money to polish the youngsters?
Did MAS not send youngsters to AOS07? Can you name them? You think they can replace LCW and Hafiz for TC08? How do you know LCW and Hafiz cannot make it? What's wrong with taking some unscheduled holiday? I think LCW and Hafiz badly need a holiday and especially a break from MAS fans who continuously sound like broken records. You guys sound like grannies who endlessly replay the past (because they only have long-term memory function; the short-term memory's quite gone.)

Pls give those youngsters some time and more chances in big tournaments. Although Msia may not win anything during this period, it will benefit Msia for the long run. It will also tell the players that they can only stay if they can improve their performance.

I think we will get to see more of the new players in the non Super Series soon. Stuff like Cheers Singapore Satellite. Roslin prolly will play too since he didn't get to play in IO & SO 2007.

Look out for them. Let's see what impact they will make and if any one will carve their names.

Cheers.

Yes, despite all your stinging remarks about Misbun, I am saying he should be promoted back to being the official BAM's Singles Coach. And no 'BUT' please !

Why you ask ? BECAUSE AN INJUSTICE WAS DONE TO HIM ! When Hafiz dropped in form after the ALL-ENGLAND, they called in Li Mao but it was not to train HAFIZ but everybody else. Why ? You should ask ?

Now look at Hafiz beating a revitalised LCW, who was going to improve. What does it mean....it means Misbun was a good coach, it was the Hafiz, the BAD player.

With Hafiz now saying he will be more motivated to win because of his impending marriage (needs the money more than ever I bet !), it proves my point that there was nothing wrong with the coaching but everything to do with the motivation of the player.

Sure, for those who want a foreign coach, think about this : Li Mao left in a hurry after less than a couple of years services and all it did was raised LCW to become a loser eventually. Is this for the good of all Malaysian players ? Did you not hear it from LCW --- he voluntarily went back to Misbun ? Why don't you hear it from the player himself --- he would not be wrong because it would mean the worse for his career if he goes back to the wrong coach. He knows Misbun is good.

So, think again you shallow fans of no faith in your own countryman coach. Shame on you !You are absolutely right about Misbun.He is a GEM in our backyard.

Name some youngsters and give us some prediction of how far they will go in SS. Will they even qualify or get past the first round? That's something to look forward to? Sure, dump LCW and Hafiz now. What have you got? Name them now.


not many that i know but Mohd Arif Abdul Latiff is very promising i guess ... hopefully he will land himself a gooooooooooooooooooood if not greattttt coach !

Yes, despite all your stinging remarks about Misbun, I am saying he should be promoted back to being the official BAM's Singles Coach. And no 'BUT' please !

Why you ask ? BECAUSE AN INJUSTICE WAS DONE TO HIM ! When Hafiz dropped in form after the ALL-ENGLAND, they called in Li Mao but it was not to train HAFIZ but everybody else. Why ? You should ask ?

Now look at Hafiz beating a revitalised LCW, who was going to improve. What does it mean....it means Misbun was a good coach, it was the Hafiz, the BAD player.

With Hafiz now saying he will be more motivated to win because of his impending marriage (needs the money more than ever I bet !), it proves my point that there was nothing wrong with the coaching but everything to do with the motivation of the player.

Sure, for those who want a foreign coach, think about this : Li Mao left in a hurry after less than a couple of years services and all it did was raised LCW to become a loser eventually. Is this for the good of all Malaysian players ? Did you not hear it from LCW --- he voluntarily went back to Misbun ? Why don't you hear it from the player himself --- he would not be wrong because it would mean the worse for his career if he goes back to the wrong coach. He knows Misbun is good.

So, think again you shallow fans of no faith in your own countryman coach. Shame on you !

Just one decent showing at the SO and you want to think that Misbun is the best??? :confused:
Dude, lets see after the IO, shall we??

Just one decent showing at the SO and you want to think that Misbun is the best??? :confused:
Dude, lets see after the IO, shall we??

Sorry, Have I missed something? where is the decent showing at SO??

As far as I can tell from the results MAS had one player in the QF (WCH) which I cannot think Misbun can claim credit for.

They had two players in the second round Hafiz (who was through against another MAS player) and KBH who beat an ENG player.

All the rest either lost in the first round or didn't make qualifying. How does that rank as a good showing?

Sorry, Have I missed something? where is the decent showing at SO??

As far as I can tell from the results MAS had one player in the QF (WCH) which I cannot think Misbun can claim credit for.

They had two players in the second round Hafiz (who was through against another MAS player) and KBH who beat an ENG player.

All the rest either lost in the first round or didn't make qualifying. How does that rank as a good showing?

Of course that's a good showing... they may possibly have Roslin whom may receive the MS winning prize of US $16,000 without even making his presence in the Singapore Open!!! :D:D:D

Whether a coach or a player is good or not can not be judged in just one tournament! Hafiz beat LCW but lost to Boonsak in 2nd round! Is that good? His win over LCW is mainly because they train togerther. They know each other 's game very well, they are teammate.When teammate plays each other it is always more difficult because they know each other's style and secret weapons.

So when someone say Misbun should be promoted back to Malaysian men single coach I think it is very premature. I am not saying Misbun should not be promoted back, but all I am saying is only when his players win more titles consistently. It is not too much to ask because right now Misbun has the 3 very talented players( LCW , Hafiz, Beng hong) in his team.

IN SO Wong Choon Han is the only MS that advance to last eight. What does it says about Wong Tat Meng' s coaching? Wong Tat Meng is still new as chief coach, lets give him time to prove himself. After all, other coaches such as Misbun and Li Mao have been given more chances and more time to prove themselves.

Why raise this issue when Wong Tat Meng has just been named the Malaysia chief coach in a few months time?

If you guys do not have selective reading habits, you would have read that my post was on restituting Misbun bcause he was unjustifiably removed in the first place. It has nothing to do with Tat Meng, who I think may be a good coach but also need to prove himself.

My other take on this was Misbun did perform but the players were to be blamed for their downfall, not Misbun. Yet, every reply to this is always why Misbun, too early to say he is good, or otherwise, he is hopeless. Man, you all sound so typically cynical of everything. I hate to be coach of Malaysia !

Good thing your thoughts count for Noughts in the selection of coach !:D

Fresh idea but your point are not strong enough to convince me Misbun deserves it. Look at players under his belt, show me the results !!! The fact that Hafiz beat LCW by surprise at this tournament only tells me LCW continues to go downhill, Hafiz remains the same old Hafiz who can no longer show any promises.
misbun doesnt deserve the rejuvenation......hhahaha......:D:D:D:D:D look who has excelled under his guidance. more failure than glory. lcw has gotten worse.

Everytime Hafiz and LCW represent Msia, their results are predictable. They will not bring any title home. Why BAM still want to waste money on them?
If I were BAM, I would rather pick the youngsters with good prospect to play the tournaments. At least we have something to look forward.

yes BAM should spend money to groom new players. if they still wana play, do it like chen hong. go solo. as i had predicted when lcw wanted to join misbun that lcw will join the yoyo club as the vice president which now he already have. good luck!

Slightly off subject. Honestly I could not understand the rationale of BAM. The youngsters who trained under Rashid do not seem to have nay chance at all to go anywhere becos they just spared with others of their own standard- Rashid do not want them to spare with the seniors. And these youngster does not seem to be sent to many tournaments at all (except M'sia and S'pore Opens?). I wonder how the hell are they supposed to move up to the senior rank- and they are not that young at all by now. BAM should be taking some of the promising ones (such as Latif) and exposed them to more tournaments.

Misbun is a very dedicated Coach. Most of the time its his players that dont perform up to his expectation.

Misbun is a very dedicated Coach. Most of the time its his players that dont perform up to his expectation.

Thanks for echoing my views. It is good to see another sensible person here.:)

Misbun, I am sorry just dont cut it for me. Infact, I think the Sidek family is holding BAM ransom.

Misbun has a player was a rebel. He had several run ins with the authorities back then. How can such a character be a good coach or role model???

misbun doesnt deserve the rejuvenation......hhahaha......:D:D:D:D:D look who has excelled under his guidance. more failure than glory. lcw has gotten worse.

I fully support. BAM should run the game based on results. And as a coach , if you dont deliver, you go. Misbun have delivered nothing todate. Sad to see, we continue to have this jaguh kampung mentality.

well, hafiz beat LCW but lost to Boonsak. Nth to be proud bout anyway haha :D

what does Hafiz want to achieve at SIngapore Open?? I can feel that Hafiz ultimate aim is to beat one player and then lose the next round. He felt satisfied beating Chong Wei and that's enough for him. Is he easily satisfied?? I can't feel that he has the hunger for success anymore. IT WILL BE A MIRACLE IF HAFIZ CAN WIN THE WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP THIS YEAR. it's better to place our hopes on LCW, WCH or even YKB. Hafiz is a good player in creating upsets but losing in the next round. we cannot rely too much on him.

what does Hafiz want to achieve at SIngapore Open?? I can feel that Hafiz ultimate aim is to beat one player and then lose the next round. He felt satisfied beating Chong Wei and that's enough for him. Is he easily satisfied?? I can't feel that he has the hunger for success anymore. IT WILL BE A MIRACLE IF HAFIZ CAN WIN THE WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP THIS YEAR. it's better to place our hopes on LCW, WCH or even YKB. Hafiz is a good player in creating upsets but losing in the next round. we cannot rely too much on him.

You have every right to feel upset because you wanted to see more than a 2nd round exit from Hafiz. I am pretty sure now that we have seen Boonsak winning the Sin Open, the loss of Hafiz to Boonsak may not look that bad -- he lost to a better player !

Furthermore he had a tough match against LCW in the 1st round. And then to come out to play a 'hot' player like Boonsak, it was a tough call.

As much as Boonsak has surprised everyone, the one you call the yo-yo king could someday do the same. Easy come easy go until the next tournament!:D

Misbun, I am sorry just dont cut it for me. Infact, I think the Sidek family is holding BAM ransom.

Misbun has a player was a rebel. He had several run ins with the authorities back then. How can such a character be a good coach or role model???

I just give the facts that only 3 malaysian players have ever held no 1 ranking i. e, Rashid, Roslin and Lee Chong Wei and these three were once trained by Misbun. You yourself know what the facts mean.

I just give the facts that only 3 malaysian players have ever held no 1 ranking i. e, Rashid, Roslin and Lee Chong Wei and these three were once trained by Misbun. You yourself know what the facts mean.

What counts actually??? The world ranking or the titles???

What counts actually??? The world ranking or the titles???

Ranking comes with titles.

Ranking comes with titles.

What titles have Rashid, Roslin, HH and LCW won as compared to Lin Dan, Taufik Hidayat, Heryanto Arbi for example???

LWW/CTF's ranking pretty high too, what titles they got??? Any All Englands, WCs, Olympic Golds???

What titles have Rashid, Roslin, HH and LCW won as compared to Lin Dan, Taufik Hidayat, Heryanto Arbi for example???

LWW/CTF's ranking pretty high too, what titles they got??? Any All Englands, WCs, Olympic Golds???

What titles have you got compared to what they have got ?? What makes you so capable on the subject ??:D

Your criticisms are cheap but their achievements came with a price. Think about that.

What titles have you got compared to what they have got ?? What makes you so capable on the subject ??:D

Your criticisms are cheap but their achievements came with a price. Think about that.

My dear boy,
Now, now are you getting personal here?? :confused: If you are unable to hold a decent discussion, then I am sorry to say that I am disappointed with your attitude. It is childish.

I was not criticising. I was merely responding to you claims that "ranking comes with titles". If you are unable to justify your claims, there is no need to throw a tantrum and get all personal.

My dear boy,
Now, now are you getting personal here?? :confused: If you are unable to hold a decent discussion, then I am sorry to say that I am disappointed with your attitude. It is childish.

I was not criticising. I was merely responding to you claims that "ranking comes with titles". If you are unable to justify your claims, there is no need to throw a tantrum and get all personal.

You win DUDE --- bow to you !

As much as Boonsak has surprised everyone, the one you call the yo-yo king could someday do the same. Easy come easy go until the next tournament!:D

yes, easy come easy go. that's why he is yoyo king. even though he win the indonesia open next week, i will not cheer for him too. after the indonesia open, he will go down again. we are already used to it. i don't have any confidence in hafiz winning any super series title. perhaps he can go for satellite tournaments instead. he likes playing matches rather than winning matches.

Everyone has his or her own opinion..;)
I cant c bright future of HH,I juz hope he can play well in every tournament:o ..
LCW,:rolleyes: he is going downhill now..:(
Misbun,I think he is a good coach!!He does not give up any player he coach include HH although HH did bad in every tournament!!;)

Everyone has his or her own opinion..;)
I cant c bright future of HH,I juz hope he can play well in every tournament:o ..
LCW,:rolleyes: he is going downhill now..:(
Misbun,I think he is a good coach!!He does not give up any player he coach include HH although HH did bad in every tournament!!;)

great sarcasism from you. you put it nicely but sharply. i like it. right now in Hafiz mind, he is already thinking of marriage. i wonder how he'll fare in World Championship due to after-marriage-effect. that guy is really unpredictable. he should be a magician rather than badminton player.

great sarcasism from you. you put it nicely but sharply. i like it. right now in Hafiz mind, he is already thinking of marriage. i wonder how he'll fare in World Championship due to after-marriage-effect. that guy is really unpredictable. he should be a magician rather than badminton player.

Agree with you absolutely.

misbun must really change the mentality of Hafiz. a coach does not only polish up his player's skills. a coach must polish up his players' SKILLS, MENTALITY, ATTITUDE and CONFIDENCE. This is what Misbun overlooked. Hafiz mentality and attitude is totally wrong.

great sarcasism from you. you put it nicely but sharply. i like it. right now in Hafiz mind, he is already thinking of marriage. i wonder how he'll fare in World Championship due to after-marriage-effect. that guy is really unpredictable. he should be a magician rather than badminton player.
Haha...Thanks..:) :) :D
Ya..agree wif u..;)

misbun must really change the mentality of Hafiz. a coach does not only polish up his player's skills. a coach must polish up his players' SKILLS, MENTALITY, ATTITUDE and CONFIDENCE. This is what Misbun overlooked. Hafiz mentality and attitude is totally wrong.

Haha...Thanks..:) :) :D
Ya..agree wif u..;)

you are welcome. i am just saying what i want from my personal opinions. of course, everyone of us is sad to see the performance of our men singles recently. voice it out, so that we wont feel so depressed. hahaha.. :D