Something is bothering Kien Keat, says coach Rexy

[ixory]

Something is bothering Kien Keat, says coach Rexy


NATIONAL doubles coach Rexy Mainaky sees something bothering Koo Kien Keat that is seriously affecting his partnership with Tan Boon Heong in their first-round elimination at the Singapore Open on Wednesday.
The hottest property of Malaysian badminton were beaten 21-15, 13-21, 15-21 by the newly-formed national combination of Mohd Fairuzizuan Mohd Tazari-Mohd Zakry Abdul Latif.
It was their second consecutive defeat by their team-mates after the loss to veterans Choong Tan Fook-Lee Wan Wah in the final of the Asian Badminton Championships (ABC) in Johor Baru two weeks ago.
But Rexy was a more relaxed person over the failure of Kien Keat-Boon Heong on Wednesday compared to the ABC when he blew his top.
“The good thing coming out of this defeat is the indication that we have another good pair to challenge for honours,” he said yesterday.
“Kien Keat-Boon Heong may have won four titles but they are still in the learning process to become true champions. Having won the prestigious All-England does not make them true champions.
“The two defeats by their compatriots only meant that there is still a lot more for them to learn. The Indonesian Open next week will be another real test for them.”
In the Indonesian Open, Kien Keat-Boon Heong play Australians Ashley Brehaut-Aji Basuki Sindoro in the first round. Victory will give them a match against either 2003 world champions Lars Paaske-Jonas Rasmussen of Denmark or World Championships runners-up Anthony Clark-Robert Blair of England.
They have in their quarter Indonesia’s world number three Markis Kido-Hendra Setiawan, the pair they beat in the semi-finals of the Doha Asian Games last December en route to taking the gold medal.
“If they flop again, it means that there is something seriously wrong with the pair that needs drastic action,” said Rexy.
“Kien Keat has the character of being a show master. He has to discard this. He did not play to the gallery in Singapore like he did in the ABC. But something seems to be bothering him. I have arranged for a meeting with the pair tonight to get to the root of the problem.”
The defeat in the fifth round of the Super Series was the first early-round elimination for Kien Keat-Boon Heong since they made their debut as a pair for a runners-up finish at the Japan Open last October. Besides the success at the Asiad and All-England, the duo also won two other titles in eight tournaments thus far – the Malaysian and Swiss Opens.

[david07]

Hope it's nothing to bad that's bothering him, I really enjoy watching those two play as a pair

[X Ball]

As I said before, if you come down too strong on a person, you leave a mark on him. That mark has probably scarred KKK. He is now more tentative in his play, perhaps getting too serious and tense. He needs to be jovial, playful, to bring out his innovative/creative play.

You cannot be creative if you are tense and serious. Hope I am bloody wrong !

[cooler]

It has some similarities to the bible story of Samson and his mighty strength. When his hair was cutted, he lost his shining power. KKK shouldn't of cutted his hair:D

[ye333]

You cannot be creative if you are tense and serious. Hope I am bloody wrong !

I agree "tense" is the enemy of creativity, but you definitely can be both creative and serious. I think Rexy himself is an example. Also Kim Dongmoon is very serious and quite creative. In fact, I believe true creativity comes when you are very serious and completely focused.

[X Ball]

I agree "tense" is the enemy of creativity, but you definitely can be both creative and serious. I think Rexy himself is an example. Also Kim Dongmoon is very serious and quite creative. In fact, I believe true creativity comes when you are very serious and completely focused.

Agree, if you are allowed to balance both yourself. But to be clipped by someone (and also because KKK is still bloody immature), it might have affected him.

Hope his immaturity will help him forget in time. Time does heal any wounds in the mind.

[Hot-screensaver]

Cooler, by the time they play in Indonesian Open, KKK's hair should have grown long to shine again! :)

[cooler]

Cooler, by the time they play in Indonesian Open, KKK's hair should have grown long to shine again! :)

hahaha, there is 2nd part to the samson story.
When he grew his hair back, he only got back partial strength since he broke his vow by revealing his birthright secret. He got the full power back by asking god's blessing. ie, KKK success still dependent on obedience to his god, ie rexy:D:p

[azabaz_ipoh]

actually time heals all wounds but i think wounds in the mind are harder to heal from. physically it is easy, just rest, maybe massage the tired muscle, put oitment or something, take medicine, etc... but the mind, well... if you dwell it festers. and could spiral out of control. might never be the same again. i was surprised they lost but until now i still have faith in these guys. hopefully they will bounce back. and like rexy, i am glad there are more than one serious contender for MD in malaysia's camp.

[OneToughBirdie]

It has some similarities to the bible story of Samson and his mighty strength. When his hair was cutted, he lost his shining power. KKK shouldn't of cutted his hair:D
That is a good one...but Cooler, you are conveniently missing one key puzzle...where's Delilah or who is playing Delilah role in KKK?...hahaha!!!LOL!:D :D

[OneToughBirdie]

Cooler, by the time they play in Indonesian Open, KKK's hair should have grown long to shine again! :)
Too late, by then the strength has gone away...only remedy is if KKK vow no contact with women of any kind...hahaha!! LOL!!:D

[cooler]

That is a good one...but Cooler, you are conveniently missing one key puzzle...where's Delilah or who is playing Delilah role in KKK?...hahaha!!!LOL!:D :D

cooler didn't forget about delilah at all.
For KKK, delilah is equivalent to the lure and distraction of Malaysia government celebrations, parties, girls, fames, etc. I just didn't want to bring up the sin aspects:p

[OneToughBirdie]

cooler didn't forget about delilah at all.
For KKK, delilah is equivalent to the lure and distraction of Malaysia government celebrations, parties, girls, fames, etc. I just didn't want to bring up the sin aspects:p
Ohhhh! delilah has no match for "government celebrations, parties, girls, fames, etc.", those a heavy stuff, man! LOL!:D :D

[X Ball]

Ohhhh! delilah has no match for "government celebrations, parties, girls, fames, etc.", those a heavy stuff, man! LOL!:D :D

On the contrary fellas, the govt parties are boring. I think KKK did not get enuf akci...on. And he was already snuffed for all the so-called actions when they did not happen. The inaction is what is killing the guy.:D

[yuqiu]

Aviva Singapore Open: Rexy to have heart-to-heart chat with pair



04/05/07, 11:12:39


NATIONAL doubles coach Rexy Mainaky is concerned but has refrained himself from being too harsh on All England champions Koo Kien Keat-Tan Boon Heong in the wake of their shock first round exit from the Singapore Open on Wednesday.
http://www.nst.com.my/Friday/Sport/20070504073626/insidepix2?display=xsmallKien Keat<>
Instead, Rexy wants to have a frank talk with Kien Keat-Boon Heong and find out the exact problem faced by the duo and re-establish their winning qualities again.

Kien Keat-Boon Heong were beaten 15-21, 21-13, 21-15 by compatriots Fairuzizuan Tazari-Zakry Latif on Wednesday, which comes after the pair lost to Choong Tan Fook-Lee Wan Wah in the Asian Badminton Championships final in Johor Baru last month.

Rexy was fuming mad with Kien Keat’s prima donna attitude in Johor Baru and the shuttler was taken to task immediately.

Kien Keat was punished by Rexy and the Indonesian was impressed with the way the former had responded and anticipated an improved performance from him in Singapore.
"I’ll have a meeting with Kien Keat and Boon Heong because I need to know what is disturbing them. Compared to their performance in Johor Baru, they played much better here and their fighting spirit was evident," said Rexy.

"But I can’t take them losing in the first round. This must not happen again.

"It is always hard when Malaysian pairs play each other. I can guarantee that they will play very much better when they are up against foreign pairs."

It was actually their fourth defeat to a Malaysian pair since partnering each other last November.

Fairuzizuan, with his previous partner Lin Woon Fui, had beaten Kien Keat-Boon Heong twice before Tan Fook-Wan Wah’s victory in the Asian Badminton Championships.

However, their record against foreign pairs are much better as they have only lost three times — twice to the now split South Korean combination Lee Jae Jin-Hwang Ji Man and former Olympic champions Candra Wijaya of Indonesia and Tony Gunawan of the United States — but have also beaten both pairs as well as other top combinations.

[Felicia_txh]

Hope they will bounce back in INA open!!However my thought is different wif cooler!!i think his hair is not short enough:p ..Tat's y he lost!!:p :p
Hope he can remove the things tat bother him b4 IO!!;)

[YelSttr]

KKK just dont have what he takes to be up there with the best. Yes, he won the gold at AG, won the All England but lets be honest here, he is a flash in a pan. He dont have the commitment to stay on top of his game.

I am sorry he is going downhill now.

[X Ball]

KKK just dont have what he takes to be up there with the best. Yes, he won the gold at AG, won the All England but lets be honest here, he is a flash in a pan. He dont have the commitment to stay on top of his game.

I am sorry he is going downhill now.

LOL, "Yes, he won the gold at AG, won the ALL England but lets be honest here, he is a flash in a pan." ????? Can we contradict ourselves and still expect to sound good ?:D

[Cheung]

Source publication (http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12555)

[malaysia boleh?]

Don't waste time here. We all know the reason. All our players are mentally weak. How can you be a true champion if you are mentally weak. A little bit of set back and they can never bounce back. Look at Hafiz,LCW and now KKK/TBH..I think BAM should get some help from Nicol David..she is the only 'true' world champion in Malaysia. She is not only tactically good, but she also has something which all our shuttlers lack..superior mental strenght. Maybe she would be able to pass some good advice to our mentally 'fragile' shuttlers.

[ixory]

Source publication (http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12555)

Thanks for that reminder cheung,the article that i post is from Malaysia star,i'll be more careful when i post news in here later:p .

[ctjcad]

It has some similarities to the bible story of Samson and his mighty strength. When his hair was cutted, he lost his shining power. KKK shouldn't of cutted his hair:D
..cooler, let's hope the ending won't be the same as in the Samson & Delilah story, if you know what i mean..:p :( ;)

[ck1981]

Msia have already lost LCW and Hafiz. They are already in the history. We can forget about them from now on although they will still play for Msia.
Pls come back, KKK/TBH. Show us you are not one of them. Show us you are the present and the future of Msia.

[yuqiu]

Source publication (http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12555)

Thanks. Will keep that in mind.

[yuqiu]

Our inability to exercise our psychological strength is one of the great human failings in life. It not only leads to ongoing difficulties, but can also lead to tragedy. I think BAM provides psychologist services as well as other services to all their players. May be they just don't use them.

[maIRa]

excuse me? downhill? wat la u..so pessimist

[tjl_vanguard]

its just ups n downs in a career la... :D nth much..they'll be back..they are still young...

[X Ball]

Nothing short of a retirement will convince me that Hafiz or LCW will not rebounce in the near future to be called our heroes again.

Yes, they have brought it on themselves to be playing 'useless' badminton today. They have let their 'left brain' dominate and succumb to mediocrity. It is an 'ill' which we all detest but I think it will stir these players to rethink when they realise that their 'stars' have dimmed.

My thoughts are they know and are trying to overcome their woes. Can they right their wrongs and is it an easy task ? Yes, it is possible and needs commitment (they are not too old). I think they went through a bit of injury prone periods and found it hard to come out of that (Hafiz wit knees and LCW with back).

LCW slowed in the process with his injury but I think it is getting less on his mind and he is beginning to do more. He needs to show commitment and more focus. That will to win must come back to him (he needs to think of the money that rolled in not too long ago and it was sweet, and standing there receiving his SPORTSMAN of the YEAR AWARD). With so much that he has lost, I think it has already daunted on him that he needs to recover all that. The road is not easy as there are so many players out there who have got up there to find that the road also slips quite quickly if you take an eye off things. Look at Boonsak. He was over the moon after beating LD -- I am pretty sure all his fans had a good word for him last night.

Hafiz, many would claim is a flash in the pan. One big win and he is history. Yes, he was the most celebrated when he won the ALL-England. We all know he did not come out of their celebrative mood -- he felt he earned all that success and things was going to be easy. Yes, perhaps for a while until you hear all those brunts against you. Money is not coming in, and he is getting married. Maybe a desire is now coming back; an itch to stand on the podium again, which now feels so foreign, and maybe, as it gets harder, the mind wants it more. Whatever, I think Hafiz must be more hungry. For him, I think the few odd tournaments will still come his way. But the road is becoming harder. His best might have come and gone. But a desire is still there.

[Yojimbo]

Flash in the pan? I don't think so.If he's like that, he would have lost in the previous tournaments.Btw, I think Zakry and Fairuz are becoming a good pair.Hopefully they can improve themselves.

[Yojimbo]

Did Zakry and Fairuz made it through to the semi-finals?

[Yojimbo]

Haha..just found out that they lost.Sakitnya hati.

[pjswift]

Don't waste time here. We all know the reason. All our players are mentally weak. How can you be a true champion if you are mentally weak. A little bit of set back and they can never bounce back. Look at Hafiz,LCW and now KKK/TBH..I think BAM should get some help from Nicol David..she is the only 'true' world champion in Malaysia. She is not only tactically good, but she also has something which all our shuttlers lack..superior mental strenght. Maybe she would be able to pass some good advice to our mentally 'fragile' shuttlers.
maybe you may want to keep things in perspective.
1. Squash has less competition than badminton?
2. When she did not win the CMW Gold, she just took two months off to clear her mind? Has LCW taken even two weeks off? LCW has been working non-stop and that will take a toll on his body sooner or later. In fact his current form may be indicative of burn-out and early exits may be Nature's way of actually helping him to recover from the burn-out.
3. How can MAS stars be mentally weak?As long as they have won an Open title,they must at least have been mentally strong once and that means they have passed the mental strength test.If they have not been performing to expectations since, it would be due to other factors like poor preparation, poor coach guidance on strategy...given BAM 's fumbling style,I'm impressed MAS could produce champions like LCW and Hafiz.Shows that MAS stars have class.Class always manage to rise above clutter.

[zqloy]

Guys no need to make such a big deal over their lost to teammates! CJ has nvr won any of his teammates during an international tounament, does that mean he is mentally weak? Playing yr teammates is much tougher than playing outsiders, they know every tiny bit of yr stength and weakness. We shall see how the duo perform in Indo Open.

[YelSttr]

LOL, "Yes, he won the gold at AG, won the ALL England but lets be honest here, he is a flash in a pan." ????? Can we contradict ourselves and still expect to sound good ?:D

Can one be so blind that one is unable too see 2 fee infront? :eek:
So, you really think that this KKK is nor flash in pan???
I guess when he performed badly in ABC, it was bad luck and too much pressure, eh? And his performance in SO a learning process still?? :rolleyes:
Ok, lets see how he perform in IO then. I bet he will perform worst there.

[USAfan]

Nothing short of a retirement will convince me that Hafiz or LCW will not rebounce in the near future to be called our heroes again.

Yes, they have brought it on themselves to be playing 'useless' badminton today. They have let their 'left brain' dominate and succumb to mediocrity. It is an 'ill' which we all detest but I think it will stir these players to rethink when they realise that their 'stars' have dimmed.

My thoughts are they know and are trying to overcome their woes. Can they right their wrongs and is it an easy task ? Yes, it is possible and needs commitment (they are not too old). I think they went through a bit of injury prone periods and found it hard to come out of that (Hafiz wit knees and LCW with back).

LCW slowed in the process with his injury but I think it is getting less on his mind and he is beginning to do more. He needs to show commitment and more focus. That will to win must come back to him (he needs to think of the money that rolled in not too long ago and it was sweet, and standing there receiving his SPORTSMAN of the YEAR AWARD). With so much that he has lost, I think it has already daunted on him that he needs to recover all that. The road is not easy as there are so many players out there who have got up there to find that the road also slips quite quickly if you take an eye off things. Look at Boonsak. He was over the moon after beating LD -- I am pretty sure all his fans had a good word for him last night.

Hafiz, many would claim is a flash in the pan. One big win and he is history. Yes, he was the most celebrated when he won the ALL-England. We all know he did not come out of their celebrative mood -- he felt he earned all that success and things was going to be easy. Yes, perhaps for a while until you hear all those brunts against you. Money is not coming in, and he is getting married. Maybe a desire is now coming back; an itch to stand on the podium again, which now feels so foreign, and maybe, as it gets harder, the mind wants it more. Whatever, I think Hafiz must be more hungry. For him, I think the few odd tournaments will still come his way. But the road is becoming harder. His best might have come and gone. But a desire is still there.

I think BAM needs to hire sports' physcologist to strenghten the mental aspect. We can't let the players or BAM to decide their path, that's the coach, trainer and the physcologist's job. Also, the players are too imature to know what's best for their career. BAM should play the role as owner and leave the management to the experts. The worst is when owner interfere and undermind management. Every great professionals today owe thier sucess to great management. BAM and the politician should start learning instead of thinking of self glory.

[shyeling]

if is the celebration activities that cause the drop in the quality of the duo, why not the performance of TBH affected? i think the most important is the quality of mind of one player.
but anyway, hopefully they will be on the level they should be in the INA super series next week. if their failed to be in the form, i think not only the fans will disappointed, but also some of the player esp those who lost to them. right?;)

[Cheung]

Something is bothering Kien Keat, says coach Rexy

......
“If they flop again, it means that there is something seriously wrong with the pair that needs drastic action,” said Rexy.
“Kien Keat has the character of being a show master. He has to discard this. He did not play to the gallery in Singapore like he did in the ABC. But something seems to be bothering him. I have arranged for a meeting with the pair tonight to get to the root of the problem.”
..............This is an incredible article. Since when did the coach talk to the media before he speaks with his own team?:confused:

[IndoAmerican]

I think BAM needs to hire sports' physcologist to strenghten the mental aspect....
One word: MEDITATION

I wouldn't be surprised if KKK/TBH have already been having physcotherapy sessions... it sounds terrible, however, every succesfull athletes must vend themselves and get their heads straight...

Obviously they have the skills, but...

[USAfan]

if is the celebration activities that cause the drop in the quality of the duo, why not the performance of TBH affected? i think the most important is the quality of mind of one player.
but anyway, hopefully they will be on the level they should be in the INA super series next week. if their failed to be in the form, i think not only the fans will disappointed, but also some of the player esp those who lost to them. right?;)

Its about making good judgement. Its fine to celebrate, but not to an extend that it jeopadise the training and lossing which might have an impact mentally. KKK was devastated with the first round lost that he is speechless. Our players are imature and need guidance, hopefully Rexy can turn the players around. It takes a lot more just to stay at the top, hopefully the players understand and move forward. There's still time to salvage this pair for the WC and Olympic. Keep the encourgement and support but not give them lame excuses. Malaysia Boleh ! I mean it

[Cheung]

I think they do have access to a sports psychologist - wether it's a ghood one is another matter...

[amaze]

I still remember frist watching cai/fu in an international tournament. Cant' remember who they were playing against... but they eventually lost. Then, one was 19, the other 20.

Today, one is 23, the other 24. They've come a relatively long way, and along this way, they have won the All England and World Championships... but have lost a number of times too, and many of the times to Malaysian pairs.

However, today they have exhibited that their fighting spirit is unerring, and that's why they prevailed at the end.

My point is : KKK/TBH are still very young and have only been paired up less than 6 months. Look at Tony Gunanwan and Chandra Wijaya, they have countless titles to their names and are still playing...

So..... the pessimists, you do not need to be named... please give the duo a chance, don't call them names and there's no need to make LARGE predictions about how they will go downhill from here etc. These boys should be in the scene for not less than 10 years... not just dominate game after game for a short span of time. So, if you are a genuine badminton fan, give them the support they need.

Sometimes I wish these players will read BC, but other times I don't. Because all our negative vibes here will serve no one any good.

[azabaz_ipoh]

i totally agree with you amaze. all we want is for them to do well. lets support them in their time of need. they might be the greatest in the future or they might not be the greatest. as long as they try with all their might to be the greatest, i am satisfied. i still love watching them play together. finding a good partner is hard as it is. TBH and KKK should stick together and solve their problem together.

[zqloy]

I still remember frist watching cai/fu in an international tournament. Cant' remember who they were playing against... but they eventually lost. Then, one was 19, the other 20.

Today, one is 23, the other 24. They've come a relatively long way, and along this way, they have won the All England and World Championships... but have lost a number of times too, and many of the times to Malaysian pairs.

However, today they have exhibited that their fighting spirit is unerring, and that's why they prevailed at the end.

My point is : KKK/TBH are still very young and have only been paired up less than 6 months. Look at Tony Gunanwan and Chandra Wijaya, they have countless titles to their names and are still playing...

So..... the pessimists, you do not need to be named... please give the duo a chance, don't call them names and there's no need to make LARGE predictions about how they will go downhill from here etc. These boys should be in the scene for not less than 10 years... not just dominate game after game for a short span of time. So, if you are a genuine badminton fan, give them the support they need.

Sometimes I wish these players will read BC, but other times I don't. Because all our negative vibes here will serve no one any good.

Anyways Cai is not that young. He is around 27/28 already.

[X Ball]

Anyways Cai is not that young. He is around 27/28 already.

Holy Tornado ! And he played like he was 16 going on 17 ?!

[YelSttr]

When you lost your momentum and focus due to all those exccessive celebrations and roadshows, it is hard to get it back. To stay up in top class badminton, it takes focus and dedication. Having a prima donna attitude and missing training aint gonna cut it. What we saw at the ABC and SO is the result of those exccessive diversions. And Indonesian Open unfortunately will be another disaster. KKK will be found out again there. It is a tough world out there in competitive badminton.

Though we can go on and on about KKK being still young etc etc etc, we need to be clear that participating in the WC and Olympic has no age barriers. In short, age has got nothing to do with it. It is down to character.

I am a realist and chose to live in the real world. Unless KKK change his ways, we will continue to see downhill performances.

[cappy75]

Rexy's damage control. The media themselves have quite an effect on the boys. Being the character that he is, KKK probably took alot of criticism to heart.


This is an incredible article. Since when did the coach talk to the media before he speaks with his own team?:confused:

[JaCk™]

the best way to win is to stay out from publicity. look at Boonsak, nobody predicts he will be the winner. look at CTF/LWW, nobody predicts they will enter the finals. everyone was talking how KKK/TBH will bounce up after the ABC finals defeat. due to the pressure and publicity, KKK/TBH are gone case again. better to stay focus in training and competition rather than entertaining the crowd.

[YelSttr]

the best way to win is to stay out from publicity. look at Boonsak, nobody predicts he will be the winner. look at CTF/LWW, nobody predicts they will enter the finals. everyone was talking how KKK/TBH will bounce up after the ABC finals defeat. due to the pressure and publicity, KKK/TBH are gone case again. better to stay focus in training and competition rather than entertaining the crowd.

Spot on!!!! Finally! Someone here seen the light as well!!!

[tjl_vanguard]

the best way to win is to stay out from publicity. look at Boonsak, nobody predicts he will be the winner. look at CTF/LWW, nobody predicts they will enter the finals. everyone was talking how KKK/TBH will bounce up after the ABC finals defeat. due to the pressure and publicity, KKK/TBH are gone case again. better to stay focus in training and competition rather than entertaining the crowd.
good one der jacky... :D

[JaCk™]

our government is wrong to pamper them with cash money and awards. the media is wrong to interview them too much. BAM is wrong to use them for publicity. TBH/KKK are being shown too much publicity. even Nicol David lost her 1st match squash recently. malaysians are always getting to carried away with success and rewarded with money. this will kill our players. why not let them carry on with life rather than changing their life? all those government rewards and media publicity changed KKK/TBH lives too much. will you change if you are suddenly rm100000 richer? we work for money but we also kill for money. that's the logic.

[ctjcad]

...all those attention KKK received after he won the AE & Swiss Opens, esp. with their big welcome at the airport as if they had just won the WC or Olympics title...and i still remember those pics taken by angelatby & winnie;)

[ants]

Oh well there is some things that is better not to be known.

[angelatby]

...all those attention KKK received after he won the AE & Swiss Opens, esp. with their big welcome at the airport as if they had just won the WC or Olympics title...and i still remember those pics taken by angelatby & winnie;)

It is heartache to hear this, esp. from you chris whom i think that u will see a different before making any conclusion. :( No confession is needed, but neither do i intend to get attention in BC esp. insults from some Bcers when the pictures are posted. My pictures have been removed, the thread was locked, what else will satisfy those who say hurtful words. The objective was to share, that simple. That would be the first & my last time. I dont know what went wrong, whats the problem to celebrate for people who deserve when they really put so much effort to win & glorify own country. When they won that time, people didnt say all this, only when they started to walk slightly off, people start to judge. A celebration can be an encouragement too. I always believe, we cannot expect a player to WIN ALL THE TIME. End. (Do not Quote)

[ctjcad]

It is heartache to hear this, esp. from you chris whom i think that u will see a different before making any conclusion. :(
..angelatby, sorry my friend, my post wasn't meant to be serious at all esp. re the welcome at the airport(maybe i forgot to add a couple of smileys):p ...Anyways, abt the pics, hmm, i was fine with them; i knew the thread got locked but didn't know those pics were removed..:confused: :rolleyes: :p

[winnie]

hey, why pull me n angela into this?
i dun think there's anything wrong with us going to KLIA?

[winnie]

for those who criticise, feel free to read this
http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=43466

[OneToughBirdie]

Angelabty/Winnie: First of, thanks for sharing those pictures...do not feel upset over Chris comments, he has apologized, and it takes a brave person to apologize in BC...fans deserve to be estatic and joyous after all, it was 25 yrs ago since the last AE MD win.:) :)

[ctjcad]

Angelabty/Winnie: First of, thanks for sharing those pictures...do not feel upset over Chris comments, he has apologized, and it takes a brave person to apologize in BC...fans deserve to be estatic and joyous after all, it was 25 yrs ago since the last AE MD win.:) :)
...hmm, there's definitely nothing wrong with the pics posted by angelatby & winnie(i certainly didn't "criticize")..As a matter of fact, without them sharing those w/us, how can we see the joyous welcoming occasion???:cool: ..My post, though, probably lacked a couple more smileys, thus it was probably taken as "serious", which of course wasn't the case..:p

[OneToughBirdie]

our government is wrong to pamper them with cash money and awards. the media is wrong to interview them too much.
These are professional players, ie they play for $$$ for their living and their career is short. If anything, I feel the cash (RM36000) is low compared to what the Sideks won for AE MD (after adjusting for inflation over the years) and HH won for AE MS (someone said RM1m), and playing like yo-yo ever since. The cash reward should be fair and same for all winners, and is a good incentive to encourage players to play harder. No difference than in the corporate world where bonuses are tied to performances. CHN team, are taken care of by the state, and INA we do not need to dwell into, as TH payout is reportedly very lucrative, therefore in a way, that is reward too for representing the nations. As for media, that is hard to control, the journalists have a job to do to publish the newspaper, maybe you are alluding to making the players less accessible to media...maybe Rexy can do that.:)

[ants]

OneToughBirdie... your comments does have a point.

[Indah]

our government is wrong to pamper them with cash money and awards. the media is wrong to interview them too much.
These are professional players, ie they play for $$$ for their living and their career is short. If anything, I feel the cash (RM36000) is low compared to what the Sideks won for AE MD (after adjusting for inflation over the years) and HH won for AE MS (someone said RM1m), and playing like yo-yo ever since. The cash reward should be fair and same for all winners, and is a good incentive to encourage players to play harder. No difference than in the corporate world where bonuses are tied to performances. CHN team, are taken care of by the state, and INA we do not need to dwell into, as TH payout is reportedly very lucrative, therefore in a way, that is reward too for representing the nations. As for media, that is hard to control, the journalists have a job to do to publish the newspaper, maybe you are alluding to making the players less accessible to media...maybe Rexy can do that.:)

Trust me, they got more than RM36,000, way way way more. you be surprised. ;)

[OneToughBirdie]

Trust me, they got more than RM36,000, way way way more. you be surprised. ;)
I believe you they got >RM36K and I would not be surprised, but I relied on newspaper reporting on the payout...I also believe in an earlier post someone said that HH got RM1m for 2002 AE MS win but how do you confirm those figures? Even then, a professional badminton player has a short career and not all have successful careers, after all I think BAM rewards only the high profile win e.g. AE, WC and OLY, is that correct???:)

[OneToughBirdie]

Trust me, they got more than RM36,000, way way way more. you be surprised. ;)
This is gonna be a sensitive topic...we heard more than often that malay players are rewarded much more than chinese or indian players in MAS, but nobody could confirm that. If what you said that KKK/TBH are paid...way, way, way more than RM36K is true (and I would believe that, Indah), then at least there is some respect in BAM for not discriminating them...still how do you know when others do not or you have inside information ;) Also, don't you think even a gold medal win in SO is worth only US$16K for MS is low, after all unless you are LD, how many tourneys can anyone win in a year, therefore some extra $$$ reward is not unreasonable, don't you think so?..:)

[yuqiu]

Top duo need to bounce back quickly



08/05/07, 10:39:10



By : K.M. Boopathy (boopathy@nst.com.my)


http://www.nst.com.my/Tuesday/Sport/20070508080932/insidepix1
Tan Boon Heong (left) and Koo Kien Keat have a chance to reaffirm their status as the world’s top pair in the Indonesia Open.
ALL England champions Koo Kien Keat-Tan Boon Heong must return to form as quickly as possible if Malaysia hopes to see its shuttlers winning Super Series honours on a regular basis.
Although the other national pairs have shown marked improvement under doubles coach Rexy Mainaky, Kien Keat-Boon Heong’s performance in the Singapore Open has once again shown thay they are the only pair who can handle the pressure and deliver at the highest level.

Choong Tan Fook-Lee Wan Wah have 13 years of international experience but when it mattered, they caved in and allowed World No 1 Fu Haifeng-Cai Yun of China to snatch the Singapore Open title coming from a near-hopeless position. Tan Fook-Wan Wah had led 15-8 and 17-13 in the third game but fell 16-21, 24-22, 21-18, raising questions about their reliability in crunch situations.

Kien Keat-Boon Heong, except for their first round exit in Singapore, are in a different class and the fact that they have won three — Malaysia Open, All England and Swiss Open — of the five Super Series legs so far indicates their quality.

Their Singapore Open and Asian Championships failures were due to Kien Keat’s inability to handle the accolades that came the pair’s way after their meteoric rise but having tasted recent bitter defeats, the pair should bounce back in the Indonesia Open which starts in Jakarta today.

Whatever it is, Rexy does not want to see them losing in the first round as they did to compatriots Fairuzizuan Tazari-Zakry Latif in Singapore.

Kien Keat-Boon Heong play Australia's Ashley Brehaut-Aji Basuki in the first round, followed by a likely meeting with former world champions Lars Paaske-Jonas Rasmussen of Denmark and a showdown with Indonesians Markis Kido-Hendra Setiawan in the quarter-finals.

One of the toughest tournaments on the world stage, a triumph for the pair in Jakarta will not only mean they have regained focus but serve as a morale booster ahead of the World Championships in Kuala Lumpur in August.

There was a lesson to be learnt for struggling Lee Chong Wei and Hafiz Hashim in the Singapore Open when Thailand’s Boonsak Ponsana beat world champion Lin Dan. It showed that no player is unbeatable.

Both need to revive their careers and the Indonesia Open should be an avenue for them to scalp some big names.

That was what Boonsak did in Singapore as he never looked back after beating Hafiz in the second round.

Hafiz has a tricky opener against Indonesia’s Simon Santoso and, if he progresses, could find Chong Wei awaiting him in the second round. It will be an interesting clash as Hafiz defeated Chong Wei in the first round in Singapore.

Given their current form, neither player is expected to win the Indonesia Open but Boonsak showed it can be done and the Malaysians should use that as motivation.

Courtesy of New Straits Times

[liying_0505]

Hm..... KKK really has to do something about that. KKK & TBH play better when they face other countries' players. Maybe the Malaysian pairs are too familiar with their styleof playing.....

[JaCk™]

Hm..... KKK really has to do something about that. KKK & TBH play better when they face other countries' players. Maybe the Malaysian pairs are too familiar with their styleof playing.....

If we think from two aspects, if other pair are familiar with KKK/TBH style, why KKK/TBH are not familiar with the other pair's style?? perhaps the other pairs did more homework to analyze KKK/TBH's games while KKK/TBH did not do any homework. they need to train harder because other pair are improving too.

[Indah]

I believe you they got >RM36K and I would not be surprised, but I relied on newspaper reporting on the payout...I also believe in an earlier post someone said that HH got RM1m for 2002 AE MS win but how do you confirm those figures? Even then, a professional badminton player has a short career and not all have successful careers, after all I think BAM rewards only the high profile win e.g. AE, WC and OLY, is that correct???:)

The newspapers in Msia is a wonderful media "tool" .... my advise is not to believe what is published in totality. Know what I mean ??? ;)

HH got a nice little "package" after his AE win, not RM1 million, but a nice little package nevertheless.

KKK/TBH, both received less than what HH did, but the amount given to them by various parties is not a small sum. Between KKK & TBH, KKK received more.

[Indah]

This is gonna be a sensitive topic...we heard more than often that malay players are rewarded much more than chinese or indian players in MAS, but nobody could confirm that. If what you said that KKK/TBH are paid...way, way, way more than RM36K is true (and I would believe that, Indah), then at least there is some respect in BAM for not discriminating them...still how do you know when others do not or you have inside information ;) Also, don't you think even a gold medal win in SO is worth only US$16K for MS is low, after all unless you are LD, how many tourneys can anyone win in a year, therefore some extra $$$ reward is not unreasonable, don't you think so?..:)

Dude,
The RM given out by BAM and the respective State government is nothing compared tp 'donations' by individuals and private corporations to KKK/TBH. Both of them received decent ang pows for these generous donors. And between KKK/TBH, I believe KKK got more. There were generous businessmen in Ipoh, lets just say that ;)

You should not only be looking at monetary awards. There are intangibles i.e. business licenses from State governments etc etc. And this is where the money will come from.

[X Ball]

Dude,
The RM given out by BAM and the respective State government is nothing compared tp 'donations' by individuals and private corporations to KKK/TBH. Both of them received decent ang pows for these generous donors. And between KKK/TBH, I believe KKK got more. There were generous businessmen in Ipoh, lets just say that ;)

You should not only be looking at monetary awards. There are intangibles i.e. business licenses from State governments etc etc. And this is where the money will come from.

Now, now, you are making us drool. Next you will get everyone firing at KKK-TBH on how they are getting spoiled and not focusing anymore.:D

[JaCk™]

Dude,
The RM given out by BAM and the respective State government is nothing compared tp 'donations' by individuals and private corporations to KKK/TBH. Both of them received decent ang pows for these generous donors. And between KKK/TBH, I believe KKK got more. There were generous businessmen in Ipoh, lets just say that ;)


yes, right. if we are suddenly rm150000 richer one day, we will surely change. there are 2 possibility after winning so much money. 1st, slow down and start to live in comfort. 2nd, work harder to win more money. this depend on how KKK view it.

[Kamen]

Dude,
The RM given out by BAM and the respective State government is nothing compared tp 'donations' by individuals and private corporations to KKK/TBH. Both of them received decent ang pows for these generous donors. And between KKK/TBH, I believe KKK got more. There were generous businessmen in Ipoh, lets just say that ;)

You should not only be looking at monetary awards. There are intangibles i.e. business licenses from State governments etc etc. And this is where the money will come from.

Are you the banned yellowstring and yelsttr? :confused:

[Indah]

yes, right. if we are suddenly rm150000 richer one day, we will surely change. there are 2 possibility after winning so much money. 1st, slow down and start to live in comfort. 2nd, work harder to win more money. this depend on how KKK view it.

Money is the root of all evil. And when it comes all of a sudden and lots of it too, it will change any living soul. Imagine, cheques wrote out to your name totalling RM300,000 +++ . Lifestyle will change for sure.

Thats why I prefer how the Danish BA runs things in Denmark. No excessive rewards. The players are pure professional players and derive their income solely from sponsors and prize winnings. I think it is pretty similar in Korea, England, Japan and maybe China even.

[JaCk™]

Thats why I prefer how the Danish BA runs things in Denmark. No excessive rewards. The players are pure professional players and derive their income solely from sponsors and prize winnings. I think it is pretty similar in Korea, England, Japan and maybe China even.

it is worse in China because the players don't get to keep all the prize money. but china is still very very good today. without lin dan, china still have bao chun lai, chen jin and chen yu to rely on. even the 'retired' chen hong is reliable. china badminton organization is different from malaysia. if it is the same with malaysia, imagine, how much cash, land and cars China need to give to Lin Dan??
Lin Dan is still at the top despite winning a lot of titles. Malaysia's BAM need to learn something. even our state government needs to learn something. money is the source of motivation, but also the driving force to make a player rot slowly..

[azabaz_ipoh]

guys, first of all, we dont know for sure how much $$$ KKK and TBH gets and so maybe we should not speculate. in terms of who gets more, hafiz or KKk and TBH, or even who gets more, TBH or KKK, this should not be the issue here. or do we also want to ask who gets more, nicol david or badminton players. come on guys, what matters is the fact that they have won in the name of our country. whatever they get, other people want to give and not them asking for it. in terms of how they are dealing with suddenly having a lot of money to spend, again it is their prerogative. we can only hope it will not get to their head and slow down their progress or even stop their progress. we so love to compare and judge and i have no problem with that because we all have our opinions. so this is just my two cents. though with two cents i could not even buy one sweets. he he he :D :p

[angelatby]

..angelatby, sorry my friend, my post wasn't meant to be serious at all esp. re the welcome at the airport(maybe i forgot to add a couple of smileys):p ...Anyways, abt the pics, hmm, i was fine with them; i knew the thread got locked but didn't know those pics were removed..:confused: :rolleyes: :p

No hard feelings, cheers :o (i mean i removed all my pics frm dat day onwards, including profile pic which i dunno can be viewed, players pic still there)

[ctjcad]

No hard feelings, cheers :o (i mean i removed all my pics frm dat day onwards, including profile pic which i dunno can be viewed, players pic still there)
...so, we're friends, again...;):) :cool:

[A fan]

Money is the root of all evil. And when it comes all of a sudden and lots of it too, it will change any living soul. Imagine, cheques wrote out to your name totalling RM300,000 +++ . Lifestyle will change for sure.

Thats why I prefer how the Danish BA runs things in Denmark. No excessive rewards. The players are pure professional players and derive their income solely from sponsors and prize winnings. I think it is pretty similar in Korea, England, Japan and maybe China even.


Money is not the root of all evil, money is neutral it is only one of the many tools in life which we can use for good or bad things. What you do with it is more important, therefore the LOVE OF MONEY is the root of all evil.:) :)

[ctjcad]

Money is not the root of all evil, money is neutral it is only one of the many tools in life which we can use for good or bad things. What you do with it is more important, therefore the LOVE OF MONEY is the root of all evil.:) :)
...an Aaaaamen!!..;) :)

[JaCk™]

Money is not the root of all evil, money is neutral it is only one of the many tools in life which we can use for good or bad things. What you do with it is more important, therefore the LOVE OF MONEY is the root of all evil.:) :)

and pampering badminton players with money is also the root of all evil.. :)