I think they have done pretty well. And I really thought they were they better pair as compared to Cai/Fu today. Their defensive play was top notch. The only little black mark is their temperament. In the 2nd game, during match point LWW/CTF were smilling, probably thinking they had the SO in the bag already. And this is a lesson indeed as it aint over till the fat lady sings. In the rubber game when LWW/CTF were leading 7 points, they again fell into a slumber and allowed Cai/Fu to crawl back from the dead.

Lesson learnt here is never ever under estimate your opponents.

Anyway, congrats to Cai/Fu. They are indeed world class and their consistency and approach to the game is a benchmark for our Msian pairs. No rings, bracelets, etc etc. ;)

ok lar wat..they fought very hard.juz luck is not at their side..wat to do

I was following the live score on the internet. Was gutted they didn't win considering they had won the first set (quite comfortably I presume?) and had a huge lead in the 2nd.

I'm not trying to criticise them on the back of their failure to capture the title, but in the last couple of years that I've watched LWW/CTF play, I've observed that they never really seemed to be able to close down a match when it matters, ie leading miles ahead and then let people catch up. SO is one, and All England QF was another. And if I am not mistaken, the HK Finals last year as well. These are just some of the matches that I remembered lah...and again, I'm not bashing them (before anyone starts to claim so), just stating what I have observed.

Nonetheless, I'm glad they're still around, playing world class badminton and actually winning quite some matches lately. I hope they continue their fine run. It's good to see other pairs like MZAL/MFMT shining in this tournament too. Malaysian Men's Doubles players need this kind of internal competition to lift their games respectively. THE pair who was expected to win better buck up lah huh...

p/s: Haha, still about bling bling ar? Aiyor, pls lah. But I thought I once saw the Chinese pair wearing necklaces too...now are you gonna hold it against them? Or is it just because they made it inconspicuous, it's fine?

what's bling bling?

Lesson learnt here is never ever under estimate your opponents.


We may have learnt that lesson, but it seems LWW/CTF haven't even after years of being on the receiving end of the negative consequences of not following the lesson.

Cai/Fu did well in this tournament, congrats. But them being benchmark for our Msian pairs? Its abit too exaggerating dont u think? This is only their 1st title since WC, only after half a year! And yes, the chinese do wear jewelries, necklaces etc but its just the players own personal preference, nth much to comment about.

Anyway, CTF/LWW blew it again. Just like how they blew their HKO title last year after having a big lead against Markis/Hendra. I think they hv the best skills among the Msian pairs but weak mental strength which nth Rexy can do about.

don't you mean so close yet so far??
hahaha .... this is typical, i think rexy has to concentrate on trying to get his pairs to focus more during critical points and develop a bit more of a killer instinct.

Dont forget that LWW/CTF still leads in their face off against the Chinese pair.. 4-2.

I was following the live score on the internet. Was gutted they didn't win considering they had won the first set (quite comfortably I presume?) and had a huge lead in the 2nd.

I'm not trying to criticise them on the back of their failure to capture the title, but in the last couple of years that I've watched LWW/CTF play, I've observed that they never really seemed to be able to close down a match when it matters, ie leading miles ahead and then let people catch up. SO is one, and All England QF was another. And if I am not mistaken, the HK Finals last year as well. These are just some of the matches that I remembered lah...and again, I'm not bashing them (before anyone starts to claim so), just stating what I have observed.

Nonetheless, I'm glad they're still around, playing world class badminton and actually winning quite some matches lately. I hope they continue their fine run. It's good to see other pairs like MZAL/MFMT shining in this tournament too. Malaysian Men's Doubles players need this kind of internal competition to lift their games respectively. THE pair who was expected to win better buck up lah huh...

p/s: Haha, still about bling bling ar? Aiyor, pls lah. But I thought I once saw the Chinese pair wearing necklaces too...now are you gonna hold it against them? Or is it just because they made it inconspicuous, it's fine?

Did you see the rings and bracelets on Cai/Fu???

don't you mean so close yet so far??
hahaha .... this is typical, i think rexy has to concentrate on trying to get his pairs to focus more during critical points and develop a bit more of a killer instinct.

No, I meant exactly so close yet so near for LWW & CTF case. Because this pair are known as a consistent 'nearly' pair. In summary, i was speaking in jest.

Dont forget that LWW/CTF still leads in their face off against the Chinese pair.. 4-2.

Who won the most titles?

We may have learnt that lesson, but it seems LWW/CTF haven't even after years of being on the receiving end of the negative consequences of not following the lesson.

In the 2nd set, when LWW/CTF had match point, they were smilling especially LWW. They were over confidence and thought they had the chinese pair under the knife. But Cai/Fu fought back from two match points and forced a rubber. This is what i meant by the poor Msian mentality. We get over confident easily.

Other than this blimp, I think CTF/LWW played very well. But Cai/Fu, credit to them. They never give up.

Did you see the rings and bracelets on Cai/Fu???

They r jewelries right? Does necklaces count too? Does that matter anyway??
Lol.... players do not hv to dress "goody goody" to play badminton right? If that is so, they might as well wear white shirts and pants like in the 80s. :D

They r jewelries right? Does necklaces count too? Does that matter anyway??
Lol.... players do not hv to dress "goody goody" to play badminton right? If that is so, they might as well wear white shirts and pants like in the 80s. :D

Do you see any top world class players today on court with rings and bracelets? What about past legends? Ever see them on court with a couple of rings and bracelets??

And my question was whether Cai/Fu had any rings or bracelets on?

In the 2nd set, when LWW/CTF had match point, they were smilling especially LWW. They were over confidence and thought they had the chinese pair under the knife. But Cai/Fu fought back from two match points and forced a rubber. This is what i meant by the poor Msian mentality. We get over confident easily.


Like I said, they haven't learned their lesson. They Had Match Point in AE as well and blew it. It happens everytime to them.

Do you see any top world class players today on court with rings and bracelets? What about past legends? Ever see them on court with a couple of rings and bracelets??

And my question was whether Cai/Fu had any rings or bracelets on?
And yes, Cai/Fu wear rings on court, both of them. My question is why does that matter anyway? Taufik wears lots of jewelry, LD wear diff necklace everytime, LHI wears earring.. etc...
And why should them follow how the "past legends" wear? Our players r not living in the "past" r they? :p

Do you see any top world class players today on court with rings and bracelets? What about past legends? Ever see them on court with a couple of rings and bracelets??

And my question was whether Cai/Fu had any rings or bracelets on?

So what if they have, or haven't?

Understand the words personal preference ar?

You might have a problem with people wearing jewellery, but I just don't think it's not fair to harp on that when it should be their BADMINTON performances and APPROACH TO THE GAME + ATTITUDE ON COURT that we should be focusing on.

Apologies for the typo.

Was supposed to be

"I don't think it's FAIR to harp on..."

And yes, Cai/Fu wear rings on court, both of them. My question is why does that matter anyway? Taufik wears lots of jewelry, LD wear diff necklace everytime, LHI wears earring.. etc...
And why should them follow how the "past legends" wear? Our players r not living in the "past" r they? :p

I would suggest you to try to catch the re-run of yesterday's final and watch closely again whether you find any rings or bracelets on either Cai/Fu.

Lin Dan wears a necklace thats all, no rings or bracelets.
Taufik, if I can recall has a bracelet. Nothing in excess unlike our 'glamour star' ;)

No one is asking the current batch to follow what the past legends wore. What the current batch needs to emulate is how the previous players went about in achieving their success. If one is only a flash in a pan but goes to court and play to the gallery and has rings and bracelets on, what is the impression??? :rolleyes:

Do you see any top world class players today on court with rings and bracelets? What about past legends? Ever see them on court with a couple of rings and bracelets??

And my question was whether Cai/Fu had any rings or bracelets on?
In the past, the legends did not wear rings and bracelets because these blings were very expensive compared to what they earned, so they can't afford them.And they only have the real thing, no choice of fun costume jewelry like now.It's good to live in the present:There's more choice in how you want to live your life.

Like I said, they haven't learned their lesson. They Had Match Point in AE as well and blew it. It happens everytime to them.
You know, I can't believe you have the same trapped mindset as yellow stirrer;raking up the past disappointments all the time. If they don't blow it the next time, what would you say? I'll appreciate some comments in advance. (Didn't tg/cw blow it too? Did you say they never learn? tg/cw's tank dried up faster,in the mid of G3) Move on,oldies and be goldies.

At 15-9, CTF-LWW appeared to be romping home with the CAI-FU struggling to keep up. If anyone was a Bookie, the odds you would lay would be 'odds-on' for CTF-LWW.

As Fate would have it, the 'Fat Lady' sat in their corner and started singing. They had a big fall. For a rough 6 minutes or so, CTF-LWW played like zombies, making mistake after mistake. We watched with disbelief.

To borrow a metaphor from surfing, CAI-FU rode a big wave to shore leaving CTF-LWW floundering in their wake. What a cruel end, a twist in fate for the Malaysian pair.

The irony is we have seen this too often and yet nothing could help our boys change their course in that last 6 mintues. Written on the faces of Rexy and Pang Cheh was the usual anguish - the players froze as far they are concerned, frozen with 'nerves'.

CTF-LWW are left to 'roost' over their loss -- in their minds, they would struggle to reconcile the last 6 minutes, so close but yet so far.

Indeed a twist of fate !

I would suggest you to try to catch the re-run of yesterday's final and watch closely again whether you find any rings or bracelets on either Cai/Fu.

Lin Dan wears a necklace thats all, no rings or bracelets.
Taufik, if I can recall has a bracelet. Nothing in excess unlike our 'glamour star' ;)

No one is asking the current batch to follow what the past legends wore. What the current batch needs to emulate is how the previous players went about in achieving their success. If one is only a flash in a pan but goes to court and play to the gallery and has rings and bracelets on, what is the impression??? :rolleyes:

Cai/Fu wear rings during AE final. And Taufik wore necklaces, rings, and also even earrings when he was younger :cool:. KKK is the only guy in our team wore such jewelries already even since he's partnering with CCM, yet he is only one consistently producing results. His recent lost two of his teammates recently doesnt means that he is a flash in a pan, even CJ nvr won against his teammates in any international tournament. We should see how they perform in IO b4 giving such comment.

So what if they have, or haven't?

Understand the words personal preference ar?

You might have a problem with people wearing jewellery, but I just don't think it's not fair to harp on that when it should be their BADMINTON performances and APPROACH TO THE GAME + ATTITUDE ON COURT that we should be focusing on.

I understand perfectly what is personal preference.

What you need to look at is the bigger picture. And for likes of you to do so, you need to remove em' goggles of yours first.

When one is ticked off by your coach for playing to the gallery, missing training, not being focus etc etc. Taking the court in a flashy mode with rings and bracelets gives an impression that one is a big time charlie. And coupled with tame losses at the ABC and the beating by a newly formed junior pair at SO, what we have is a big time charlie that is empty on the delivery side.

Look at Serene Williams (tennis), I think she is an amazing athlete. She takes to the court in a colourful manner, she is never without her rings, bracelets and all. BUT you will NEVER find her mocking around on court. She NEVER plays to the gallery. No matter who she is playing against, she is ALL BUSINESS AND SERIOUS. Serena always gives her best and even when she loses, it is never because of lack of effort on her part. Thats the difference.

At 15-9, CTF-LWW appeared to be romping home with the CAI-FU struggling to keep up. If anyone was a Bookie, the odds you would lay would be 'odds-on' for CTF-LWW.

As Fate would have it, the 'Fat Lady' sat in their corner and started singing. They had a big fall. For a rough 6 minutes or so, CTF-LWW played like zombies, making mistake after mistake. We watched with disbelief.

To borrow a metaphor from surfing, CAI-FU rode a big wave to shore leaving CTF-LWW floundering in their wake. What a cruel end, a twist in fate for the Malaysian pair.

The irony is we have seen this too often and yet nothing could help our boys change their course in that last 6 mintues. Written on the faces of Rexy and Pang Cheh was the usual anguish - the players froze as far they are concerned, frozen with 'nerves'.

CTF-LWW are left to 'roost' over their loss -- in their minds, they would struggle to reconcile the last 6 minutes, so close but yet so far.

Indeed a twist of fate !
...hey, this sounds like YellowStrings' thread, "LWW/CTF:So close yet so near":
http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=43413 ;) :D

I think they have done pretty well. And I really thought they were they better pair as compared to Cai/Fu today. Their defensive play was top notch. The only little black mark is their temperament. In the 2nd game, during match point LWW/CTF were smilling, probably thinking they had the SO in the bag already. And this is a lesson indeed as it aint over till the fat lady sings. In the rubber game when LWW/CTF were leading 7 points, they again fell into a slumber and allowed Cai/Fu to crawl back from the dead.

Lesson learnt here is never ever under estimate your opponents.

Anyway, congrats to Cai/Fu. They are indeed world class and their consistency and approach to the game is a benchmark for our Msian pairs. No rings, bracelets, etc etc. ;)yup, the malaysian boys coulda wrap up the cai/fu boys in the 2nd set.

...hey, this sounds like YellowStrings' thread, "LWW/CTF-So close yet so near":
http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=43413 ;) :D

No, it is not --- it should be so near yet so far and NOT so close yet so near. Yellowstrings has a habit of saying the wrong things.:D

Cai/Fu wear rings during AE final. And Taufik wore necklaces, rings, and also even earrings when he was younger :cool:. KKK is the only guy in our team wore such jewelries already even since he's partnering with CCM, yet he is only one consistently producing results. His recent lost two of his teammates recently doesnt means that he is a flash in a pan, even CJ nvr won against his teammates in any international tournament. We should see how they perform in IO b4 giving such comment.

Brother,

Excuse me ... I am talking about yesterday's Singapore Open at the Singapore Indoor Stadium in Singapore, not All England. Did you see any rings or bracelets on Cai/Fu??

KKK consistently producing results?? I am sorry, I dont agree with you. The lad did well in the AG, AE and Swiss Open but then lost the momentum. So, if your basis on consistency is based on these 3 titles, then I politely remind you that your justification is pretty weak. Whether he lost to his teamates or not is irrelevant, a loss is still a loss. Please dont give me that "it is difficult to play against your teamates" thingy cos it is pathetic.

And the Indo Open will be another disaster for KKK. I hate to say it, but I doubt they can make it to the semi finals in Indo Open.

Yes, CJ never won against his teamates. Thats why he is never going to be in the same group as Lin Dan, Taufik, Morten Frost, Yang Yang etc etc.

Brother,

Excuse me ... I am talking about yesterday's Singapore Open at the Singapore Indoor Stadium in Singapore, not All England. Did you see any rings or bracelets on Cai/Fu??

KKK consistently producing results?? I am sorry, I dont agree with you. The lad did well in the AG, AE and Swiss Open but then lost the momentum. So, if your basis on consistency is based on these 3 titles, then I politely remind you that your justification is pretty weak. Whether he lost to his teamates or not is irrelevant, a loss is still a loss. Please dont give me that "it is difficult to play against your teamates" thingy cos it is pathetic.

And the Indo Open will be another disaster for KKK. I hate to say it, but I doubt they can make it to the semi finals in Indo Open.

Yes, CJ never won against his teamates. Thats why he is never going to be in the same group as Lin Dan, Taufik, Morten Frost, Yang Yang etc etc.
Does that matter when they wear as long as they do? And i personally did not even paying attention on wat they r wearing and i really dun care. Losing to yr teammates is not pathetic, but keep on barking on the players personal preference is called lousily pathetic :D

What i know is Rexy whom i had full confidence, he will definitely nurture the boys and mould them to become a better pair.

Does that matter when they wear as long as they do? And i personally did not even paying attention on wat they r wearing and i really dun care. Losing to yr teammates is not pathetic, but keep on barking on the players personal preference is called lousily pathetic :D

What i know is Rexy whom i had full confidence, he will definitely nurture the boys and mould them to become a better pair.

But unfortunately, he has failed to perform. But I guess to you it is difficult to beat your own teamates .... even though they were a newly formed junior pair with much less experience. I think this has moved a notch below pathetic now :o

I cant wait for the Indo Open and hear whats the next excuse will be! Maybe it will be "the stadium in Jakarta too noisy for them to perform" :D

In the past, the legends did not wear rings and bracelets because these blings were very expensive compared to what they earned, so they can't afford them.And they only have the real thing, no choice of fun costume jewelry like now.It's good to live in the present:There's more choice in how you want to live your life.

Dude, in the past these blings blings were not as expensive as today la. The price is relative then as it is now.

It is good to live in the present if only one had it's feet firmly on the ground.

But unfortunately, he has failed to perform. But I guess to you it is difficult to beat your own teamates .... even though they were a newly formed junior pair with much less experience. I think this has moved a notch below pathetic now :o

I cant wait for the Indo Open and hear whats the next excuse will be! Maybe it will be "the stadium in Jakarta too noisy for them to perform" :D
Dude, Zakry/Tazari are NO juniors, they r very good players esp Zakry. They are older than Koo/Tan and definitely hv much experience than TBH. What i mean its harder to beat teammates were, they knew every tricks and weakness of yr combination, thats why.
"the stadium in Jakarta too noisy for them to perform".... well, dont worry i wont copy LYB's fav excuse. If they lost b4 semis in IO this time i will bash them myself :D

IM SPEECHLESS!!! They should have brought that home! haihz...

Dude, Zakry/Tazari are NO juniors, they r very good players esp Zakry. They are older than Koo/Tan and definitely hv much experience than TBH. What i mean its harder to beat teammates were, they knew every tricks and weakness of yr combination, thats why.
"the stadium in Jakarta too noisy for them to perform".... well, dont worry i wont copy LYB's fav excuse. If they lost b4 semis in IO this time i will bash them myself :D

If you say the newly formed Zakry/Tazari is no junior pair and have more experience then I guess I rest my case la.

Dude, a loss is a loss la. Whether it was against your teamates or no, a loss is a loss la. You think their opponents from China, Indo, Korea, Denmark or even English dont study their game?? The point is training is training and when come game time, you have to perform no matter who you play against. Thats the hallmark of a true winner.

Ok Indo Open b4 semis, I hold you to your vow! :D Dont be like KKK ok???? Made a vow to go bald but went crew cut only .... skin problem pulak!! :o

Surprised that CTF/LWW went to the finals.
Not surprised that they lost.
I am still a big fan of them but I have to say they have not lived up to the expectations.

Typical Msian disease.

In the 2nd game, they had match point but thought they had won already. Both CTF/LWW were smilling ... maybe they were thinking of the rewards waiting for them at home etc etc but .... as proven in the past, our 'nearly' men fell flat again despite playing very good badminton.

They just dont have the temperament of the chinese pair.

Surprised that CTF/LWW went to the finals.
Not surprised that they lost.
I am still a big fan of them but I have to say they have not lived up to the expectations.

At this point of their career, able to advance to SF is already a bonus. Same thing can be said about Tony/Chandra, they came close and lost to Fu/Cai. Overall. I am still happy for Wan Wah/Tan Fok achievement in SO.

they are so cocky (especially LWW), they deserved the lost!
FHF/CY punished them well....

At 15-9, CTF-LWW appeared to be romping home with the CAI-FU struggling to keep up. If anyone was a Bookie, the odds you would lay would be 'odds-on' for CTF-LWW.

As Fate would have it, the 'Fat Lady' sat in their corner and started singing. They had a big fall. For a rough 6 minutes or so, CTF-LWW played like zombies, making mistake after mistake. We watched with disbelief.

To borrow a metaphor from surfing, CAI-FU rode a big wave to shore leaving CTF-LWW floundering in their wake. What a cruel end, a twist in fate for the Malaysian pair.

The irony is we have seen this too often and yet nothing could help our boys change their course in that last 6 mintues. Written on the faces of Rexy and Pang Cheh was the usual anguish - the players froze as far they are concerned, frozen with 'nerves'.

CTF-LWW are left to 'roost' over their loss -- in their minds, they would struggle to reconcile the last 6 minutes, so close but yet so far.

Indeed a twist of fate !

6 mintues?? :confused: 6 minutes la .... talking about "has a habit of saying the wrong things" :D :D

they are so cocky (especially LWW), they deserved the lost!
FHF/CY punished them well....

Agree, Cai/Fu sure wiped that smirk off their faces!!! Belum menang dah nak glamour pulak!! So very typical of Malaysia.

But in fairness to LWW/CTF, they played well. The difference was they underestimated Cai/Fu when they had matchpoint in the 2nd game.

6 mintues?? :confused: 6 minutes la .... talking about "has a habit of saying the wrong things" :D :D


hahaha, it is only a quick typo error --- is it the same ?!:D It is ok my friend I can take it, no offence to me.:)

Agree, Cai/Fu sure wiped that smirk off their faces!!! Belum menang dah nak glamour pulak!! So very typical of Malaysia.

But in fairness to LWW/CTF, they played well. The difference was they underestimated Cai/Fu when they had matchpoint in the 2nd game.

they always underestimated their opponents. quite a few times i saw LWW trying to provoke FHF/CY. this is so unprofessional. i admit they played well..but what's the point? they still lost by their unprofessional attitude. if they kept their cool and being professional a little bit, the title is theirs for sure....

'someone' was right, they really never learned...
in other words, they commited suicide!:mad:

It's not a twist of fate that robbed Choong/Lee. Choong/Lee themselves handed the title to their opponents. Even at the age of 32, they are not mature enough to concentrate on one point at a time.

hahaha, it is only a quick typo error --- is it the same ?!:D It is ok my friend I can take it, no offence to me.:)

Cool then! One must be able to receive as good as one dish out la. Smile, ok? ;)

they always underestimated their opponents. quite a few times i saw LWW trying to provoke FHF/CY. this is so unprofessional. i admit they played well..but what's the point? they still lost by their unprofessional attitude. if they kept their cool and being professional a little bit, the title is theirs for sure....

'someone' was right, they really never learned...
in other words, they commited suicide!:mad:

How la our Msian badminton future!!?? :crying:
We got one older pair in LWW/CTF who tends to be over confident and another pair in KKK who is a glamour big time charlie!

And the Indo Open will be another disaster for KKK. I hate to say it, but I doubt they can make it to the semi finals in Indo Open.
..KKK&TBH will reach the Semifinals round, YellowStrings;)...Why???..see this draw, below, of the Indonesian Open.
http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showpost.php?p=557658&postcount=18
Remember, all of KKK&TBH's recent losses have been when Rexy wasn't coaching them. But from this draw, looks like they will not face any MAS pair until at least the Semifinals round, where they will most likely have a rematch against LWW&CTF(and if they do meet, most likely Rexy will stay clear out of their way); granted of course, LWW&CTF beat all of their opponents on the way to the Semifinals round..:p;) :cool:

Now, if KKK&TBH are to lose on their way to the Semis, then i don't know what to say..:p;)

..KKK&TBH will reach the Semifinals round, YellowStrings...Why???..see this draw, below, of the Indonesian Open. Remember, all of KKK&TBH's recent losses have been when Rexy wasn't coaching them. But from this draw, looks like they will not face any MAS pair until at least the Semifinals round, where they will meet most likely have a rematch against LWW&CTF; granted of course, LWW&CTF beat all of their opponents on the way to the Semifinal round..:p;) :cool:
http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showpost.php?p=557658&postcount=18
Now, if KKK&TBH are to lose on their way to the Semis, then i don't know what to say..:p;)

Ok, lets see then!!! I am so excited! :)

Even though they wont face any MAS pair or have Rexy by their side, I still say KKK/TBH wont make the semis. KKK has lost form and is no longer sharp.

How la our Msian badminton future!!?? :crying:
We got one older pair in LWW/CTF who tends to be over confident and another pair in KKK who is a glamour big time charlie!

no words to describe...we are going down the drain!:crying:
by the way, YelSttr is YellowString?

That's why Rexy reminded Koo/Tan, "Fikir satu-satu" when they were 18-17 up in 2nd game of the All England final.

no words to describe...we are going down the drain!:crying:
by the way, YelSttr is YellowString?

Maybe we should propose to IBF the following:


to not allow our own players/pairs to play each other as "it is tougher to play your own teamates"
to have all super series tournaments be held in Msia only
to allocate a 'subsidy' of 10 points in advance to all MAS players
to give MAS the Olympic gold for free;)

Does that matter when they wear as long as they do? And i personally did not even paying attention on wat they r wearing and i really dun care. Losing to yr teammates is not pathetic, but keep on barking on the players personal preference is called lousily pathetic :D

What i know is Rexy whom i had full confidence, he will definitely nurture the boys and mould them to become a better pair.

but if the boys doesnt repent, it is useless even if Rexy is going to nurture and mould them...Rexy is not remote controller...is all depend on the players themselves..

Ok, lets see then!!! I am so excited! :)

Even though they wont face any MAS pair or have Rexy by their side, I still say KKK/TBH wont make the semis. KKK has lost form and is no longer sharp.

very much agreed!:D
as i said before the Sin Open held, they wont clear the 1st round, and yes indeed they did not clear the first round in Sin Open. hahaha...
as for Indo Open, the best for KKK/TBH to reach is only Quarter Finals..
wonder if my prediction is coming true again...:p
hey! i predicted FHF/CY win the Sin Open title....:eek:
gosh, i think i have 6th sense..hahaha...just kidding :D

Maybe we should propose to IBF the following:


to not allow our own players/pairs to play each other as "it is tougher to play your own teamates"
to have all super series tournaments be held in Msia only
to allocate a 'subsidy' of 10 points in advance to all MAS players
to give MAS the Olympic gold for free;)

hahahahaha....i bet the IBF would say..."oh yeah, that's a great idea" :p

Did anybody notice that LWW/CTF likes to play mind games towards their opponents? Its esp obvious during their service. And also LWW likes to do all those funny gestures towards the opponents, like trying to provoke them or sth. Dont think im comfortable with that.
Although Cai/Fu and KKK/TBH are also very hyped up in matches but nvr saw them shout and give some hand gestures at the face of the opponents...

What a MD final!

To be fair to CTF/LWW, they played really very well. The were almost perfect in defence in the 1st set and FHF/CY could not penetrate them even with numerous power smashes. But when the Malysian attcked it was usually quick and crisp to win a point.

The same thing happened in the second set, even when FHF/CY narrowly won the second set. My freind and I, all think the Malaysian will win the rubber because the Chinese looked to have used up too much energy to fight back. I recalled there was one rally that lasted more than 30 exchanges with the Chinese landing smahses after smahses and still cannot win.

Although the 3rd set has much more unforced errors frm both sides, CTF/LWW were controlling the game all the way through, the Chinese at one point looked dejected and discouraged (it was true LWW did try to provoke them with a few hand gestures during the 3rd set). The turning point was when CTF/LWW was serving at 18:15, and then suddenly everything changed. FHF/CY won a few quick points and then they are 19:18 ahead and with a few more quick exchanges it was 21:18, game over!

To be honest, my friend and I was shocked by the turn of the event in the last few minutes we still could not figure out what had happened and why CTF/LWW could loose 6 points in a row without reply at the stage when they are clearly dominating. It was not down to fatigue becuse visually the Chinese pair looked more tired and drained than the Malaysia pair. It is a mystery that only CTF/LWW could explain.

But the bottom line is, it was a great MD match that all badminton fans enjoy.

Did anybody notice that LWW/CTF likes to play mind games at their opponents? Its esp obvious during their service. And also LWW likes to do all those funny gestures towards the opponents, like trying to provoke them or sth. Dont think im comfortable with that.
Although Cai/Fu and KKK/TBH are also very hyped up in matches but nvr saw them shout and give some hand gestures at the face of the opponents...

Old dogs old habits. LWW-CTF were almost seen on one occasion during the match showing the rudy finger --- I am pretty sure they did.:D Like I say, if they did, it would have been old habits. They were gracious to congratulate CAI-FU at the end -- no sweat, no harm done.

What a MD final!

To be fair to CTF/LWW, they played really very well. The were almost perfect in defence in the 1st set and FHF/CY could not penetrate them even with numerous power smashes. But when the Malysian attcked it was usually quick and crisp to win a point.

The same thing happened in the second set, even when FHF/CY narrowly won the second set. My freind and I, all think the Malaysian will win the rubber because the Chinese looked to have used up too much energy to fight back. I recalled there was one rally that lasted more than 30 exchanges with the Chinese landing smahses after smahses and still cannot win.

Although the 3rd set has much more unforced errors frm both sides, CTF/LWW were controlling the game all the way through, the Chinese at one point looked dejected and discouraged (it was true LWW did try to provoke them with a few hand gestures during the 3rd set). The turning point was when CTF/LWW was serving at 18:15, and then suddenly everything changed. FHF/CY won a few quick points and then they are 19:18 ahead and with a few more quick exchanges it was 21:18, game over!

To be honest, my friend and I was shocked by the turn of the event in the last few minutes we still could not figure out what had happened and why CTF/LWW could loose 6 points in a row without reply at the stage when they are clearly dominating. It was not down to fatigue becuse visually the Chinese pair looked more tired and drained than the Malaysia pair.

It is a mystery that only CTF/LWW could explain.

It was just pure nerves -- they lost them !

Did anybody notice that LWW/CTF likes to play mind games towards their opponents? Its esp obvious during their service. And also LWW likes to do all those funny gestures towards the opponents, like trying to provoke them or sth. Dont think im comfortable with that.
Although Cai/Fu and KKK/TBH are also very hyped up in matches but nvr saw them shout and give some hand gestures at the face of the opponents...

Thats the problem with our badminton. We think we are world beaters when in fact we are not. Cai/Fu were world class as they merely stayed focused while LWW/CTF went about thinking their had the SO in the bag. LWW especially was cocky, very cocky. But at the end of the day, it was the chinese pair that had the last laugh.

At the top level, it isnt enough playing well as LWW/CTF did yesterday. You need to stay focused and level headed as well.

Old dogs old habits. LWW-CTF were almost seen on one occasion during the match showing the rudy finger --- I am pretty sure they did.:D Like I say, if they did, it would have been old habits. They were gracious to congratulate CAI-FU at the end -- no sweat, no harm done.

Very naughty of them. They should learn from the Thai players what is it mean by sportmanship. :cool:

..they way you guys are describing what happened, i'm getting more anxious in downloading and watching the match-sorry, didn't watch it online:p...now, where's our Aerotus100JP??..;) :)

come on guys, full credit to the malaysians who played extremely well. But sometimes its the mental toughness that counts and the chinese pair had it than any other team on the tour. Even Tony/chandra had the chance to finish off but............

moral of story is play for each point and dont start to dream early of winning :)

At the very begining of the game I was very impressed with their game. They defended very well and manage to push Cai/Fu all around. They also mix their smash with drop. It was a good strategy against their opponent who are much younger and stronger. However when came to crucial points in the 2 & 3 game, they just throw it away. I am not at all disappointed with LWW/CTF coz too familiar with this situation. Same thing happen All-England final, Singapore Open semifinal few years back where they throw it away after leading big margine. They could not concentrate at the end. From their gestures and face expression they seem nervous and too eager to finish the game. When the made consecutive errors, they don't think of ways to stop making the same mistake. They too stop discussion with their partners and just pray things will get over naturally........

Old dogs old habits. LWW-CTF were almost seen on one occasion during the match showing the rudy finger --- I am pretty sure they did.:D Like I say, if they did, it would have been old habits. They were gracious to congratulate CAI-FU at the end -- no sweat, no harm done.

i was really disturbed by LWW's gesture during the final game. asking myself why a professional player like him can do such a thing. this is really ashame to the world of badminton.

my friend once saw LWW in a restaurant in KL, in person. he told me that guy was really, really cocky by seeing his gestures. he himself outside of the court having attitude problems. how can he handle inside the court?

i was really disturbed by LWW's gesture during the final game. asking myself why a professional player like him can do such a thing. this is really ashame to the world of badminton.

my friend once saw LWW in a restaurant in KL, in person. he told me that guy was really, really cocky by seeing his gestures. he himself outside of the court having attitude problems. how can he handle inside the court?

Agree with your on LWW. Despite his talents, he will never be one of the greats as his major shortcoming is himself actually. LWW is never a humble person by nature. He is cocky and arrogant and yes, my friends who came across him told me so too.

Yesterday, he had Cai/Fu at match point not once but twice and still blew it. He was smilling when they were at matchpoint in the 2nd game. Despite his experience he should have known better.

Sad to see despite playing so well, we still bottled in the end.

Agree with your on LWW. Despite his talents, he will never be one of the greats as his major shortcoming is himself actually. LWW is never a humble person by nature. He is cocky and arrogant and yes, my friends who came across him told me so too.

Yesterday, he had Cai/Fu at match point not once but twice and still blew it. He was smilling when they were at matchpoint in the 2nd game. Despite his experience he should have known better.

Sad to see despite playing so well, we still bottled in the end.

Well, I need to disagree with you that he should not be cocky during the match. When you are cocky, it boosts your own confidence. They weren't arrogant at all coz arrogance is when you do things like not shaking your opponents hands.

I am pretty sure the smiling was all gamesmanship. And I think gamesmanship is everywhere in sports, for the price of losing is too high. Like is it bad for KKK to do the little jig that he did when he won a point in the ALL-England ? Do we all need to be a Bjorn Borg or a Raikkonen, with hardly a sign to show their feelings ?

Well, I need to disagree with you that he should not be cocky during the match. When you are cocky, it boosts your own confidence. They weren't arrogant at all coz arrogance is when you do things like not shaking your opponents hands.

I am pretty sure the smiling was all gamesmanship. And I think gamesmanship is everywhere in sports, for the price of losing is too high. Like is it bad for KKK to do the little jig that he did when he won a point in the ALL-England ? Do we all need to be a Bjorn Borg or a Raikkonen, with hardly a sign to show their feelings ?

Hv no problem with all those smilling and jigs. U can shout hard and punch yr fist to celebrate with yr partner after earning each point, but not doing that facing yr opponent, thats pure provoking. :cool:

Hv no problem with all those smilling and jigs. U can shout hard and punch yr fist to celebrate with yr partner after earning each point, but not doing that facing yr opponent, thats pure provoking. :cool:

Provocation is all part of life, the degree of acceptance is up to the individual. And if you think I am wrong, take a look at our politicians.

during the 1st set, i already had a feeling that CTF/LWW will lose. CTF/LWW were smashing like mad and CY/FHF keep lifting the shuttle. perhaps it was a strategy for China. therefore, in the 3rd set, when LWW/CTF reached 18points, they lost the power and keep sending shuttle to net or making unforced error. the veterans were too tired in the 3rd set. in the end, CY/FHF catched up and won the match. LWW/CTF had a big big big lead but lost in the end. too bad..

Ok, lets see then!!! I am so excited! :)

Even though they wont face any MAS pair or have Rexy by their side, I still say KKK/TBH wont make the semis. KKK has lost form and is no longer sharp.

Hey wait, u sounds like our dear Yellowstring. Now only i notice that both of u r the same person, wat happened to yr previous username? :D

Well, I need to disagree with you that he should not be cocky during the match. When you are cocky, it boosts your own confidence. They weren't arrogant at all coz arrogance is when you do things like not shaking your opponents hands.

I am pretty sure the smiling was all gamesmanship. And I think gamesmanship is everywhere in sports, for the price of losing is too high. Like is it bad for KKK to do the little jig that he did when he won a point in the ALL-England ? Do we all need to be a Bjorn Borg or a Raikkonen, with hardly a sign to show their feelings ?

Bro,

Bjorn Borg, in a 9 year career won 11 Grand Slams, of which 5 were Wimbledon. if I am not wrong, he won Wimbledon 3 times in a row. While Kimi Raikkonen is a world class F1 driver. They are all business-like when they are performing.

I have no problems with gamesmanship but when it borders on cockiness and underestimation of your opponents, then I see it as a problem. On yesterday's MD final, LWW's "gamesmanship" backfired. His smiles, hand gestures further motivated the chinese pair in their fight back. At the end of the day, Cai/Fu had the last laugh while LWW/CTF had to again eat humble pie.

In summary, you need to have everything i.e. skills, mental strength, temperament, determination, confidence and fighting spirit. It is called substance.

Hv no problem with all those smilling and jigs. U can shout hard and punch yr fist to celebrate with yr partner after earning each point, but not doing that facing yr opponent, thats pure provoking. :cool:

Agree! And when you opponents are a world class pair in Cai/Fu, all those provocations are kids stuff to them. It wont cause them to lose focus. It will only motivate them to fight harder only!

At the end of the day, humble pie was shoved down LWW/CTF's throats.

Hey wait, u sounds like our dear Yellowstring. Now only i notice that both of u r the same person, wat happened to yr previous username? :D

What are you talking about?
You sure like to make assumptions , dont you? :rolleyes:

What are you talking about?
You sure like to make assumptions , dont you? :rolleyes:
Am i wrong? But u 2 sounds so familliar.... anyway sorry if ive mistaken, just ignore my previous post :p

Am i wrong? But u 2 sounds so familliar.... anyway sorry if ive mistaken, just ignore my previous post :p

No prob, bro. I guess great men think alike ;)
Peace.

No prob, bro. I guess great men think alike ;)
Peace.

Lol, great man... no comment on that :D

Bro,

Bjorn Borg, in a 9 year career won 11 Grand Slams, of which 5 were Wimbledon. if I am not wrong, he won Wimbledon 3 times in a row. While Kimi Raikkonen is a world class F1 driver. They are all business-like when they are performing.

I have no problems with gamesmanship but when it borders on cockiness and underestimation of your opponents, then I see it as a problem. On yesterday's MD final, LWW's "gamesmanship" backfired. His smiles, hand gestures further motivated the chinese pair in their fight back. At the end of the day, Cai/Fu had the last laugh while LWW/CTF had to again eat humble pie.

In summary, you need to have everything i.e. skills, mental strength, temperament, determination, confidence and fighting spirit. It is called substance.

Being cocky does not mean they will underestimate their opponents. On the contrary, it could mean they want to want to stem out their own fear of their opponents. Do you know in psychology that they teach one to be cocky to gain confidence ? In a game of everything, surely you do not expect them to respect the opposition either.

They were in a battle and that means they count on all their instincts to win, including gestures (within reasons, and the referee would be the judge, and in this case, he found no wrong with them). Let me say CAI-FU were doing no less, coz they gave LWW-CTF the 'stares' many times. They purposely delay getting ready --- there is nothing wrong with that kind of gamesmanship. And I could not believe when you said that LWW's smiles motivated CAI-FU to win, is it possible ?

You are basically linking their loss to their cockiness and I don't think that was the case. It was clear to me they lost because they lost their nerves when the other side started playing strong as they were showing signs of tiredness.

Being cocky does not mean they will underestimate their opponents. On the contrary, it could mean they want to want to stem out their own fear of their opponents. Do you know in psychology that they teach one to be cocky to gain confidence ? In a game of everything, surely you do not expect them to respect the opposition either.

They were in a battle and that means they count on all their instincts to win, including gestures (within reasons, and the referee would be the judge, and in this case, he found no wrong with them). Let me say CAI-FU were doing no less, coz they gave LWW-CTF the 'stares' many times. They purposely delay getting ready --- there is nothing wrong with that kind of gamesmanship. And I could not believe when you said that LWW's smiles motivated CAI-FU to win, is it possible ?

You are basically linking their loss to their cockiness and I don't think that was the case. It was clear to me they lost because they lost their nerves when the other side started playing strong as they were showing signs of tiredness.

Dude,

If you dont respect your opponents, you have already lost mentally. That is one of the basics i.e. respect your opponents, not matter who they are. As for cockiness, if you dont know how to control it, you become over confident. And you dont need to be a psychology expert to know that.

How can you say LWW/CTF lost because they lost their nerves!!?? In the 2nd set, they had two match point la. While in the rubber, they were once even leading with a 7/8 point gap la :confused: :confused: . If you talk about nerves, Cai/Fu were infact under more pressure la.

They lost because they lost their head and concentration. They got over confident in the 2nd set during match point, and in the 3rd set when they were 8 points or so up, they took their foot off the pedal again.

Lol, great man... no comment on that :D

Must have some joke la. When we debate, we debate la. but we also need to have some light banter too or else life will be too uptight.

Dude,

If you dont respect your opponents, you have already lost mentally. That is one of the basics i.e. respect your opponents, not matter who they are. As for cockiness, if you dont know how to control it, you become over confident. And you dont need to be a psychology expert to know that.

How can you say LWW/CTF lost because they lost their nerves!!?? In the 2nd set, they had two match point la. While in the rubber, they were once even leading with a 7/8 point gap la :confused: :confused: . If you talk about nerves, Cai/Fu were infact under more pressure la.

They lost because they lost their head and concentration. They got over confident in the 2nd set during match point, and in the 3rd set when they were 8 points or so up, they took their foot off the pedal again.

Hey BRO,

They lost their head = they lost their nerves. To me, it means the same. Maybe I should have said giving TOO MUCH RESPECT, ok ?

As for cockiness control, I have never heard of such a thing -- if you want to be cocky, you be cocky and if you don't want to, you don't have too....there are no shades of cockiness ! I think you are arguing for the sake of arguing.:D

in the recent Singapore Open, LWW/CTF showed that we can still rely on them for the coming World Championship. they need to improve their stamina if they want to match the younger pairs. they have powerful smashes but cannot maintain the quick pace in rubber set. i have faith in them. we can't rely on KKK/TBH all the time.

Hey BRO,

They lost their head = they lost their nerves. To me, it means the same. Maybe I should have said giving TOO MUCH RESPECT, ok ?

As for cockiness control, I have never heard of such a thing -- if you want to be cocky, you be cocky and if you don't want to, you don't have too....there are no shades of cockiness ! I think you are arguing for the sake of arguing.:D

Yo dude,

Lost their head = over confident. Too much respect??? No, that did not happened with LWW/CTF yesterday. They gave too little respect to Cai/Fu instead, with their gestures and smiles and cocky attitude.

You are making an assumption that I am arguing for the sake of arguing. Lets do away with assumptions here, shall we dude?? :rolleyes:

It's not a twist of fate that robbed Choong/Lee. Choong/Lee themselves handed the title to their opponents. Even at the age of 32, they are not mature enough to concentrate on one point at a time.

Yes i agree, That Final lasted 64 minutes, CTF/LWW played well 62 minutes, eventually lost their concentration in the last 2 minutes and this had caused them the MD title........I M so sad for them,......for not being mature enough after they failed in AE twice ....also with the same problems they had...and they keep repeating...and repeating ...again and again....:crying: :crying: :crying:

Yo dude,

Lost their head = over confident. Too much respect??? No, that did not happened with LWW/CTF yesterday. They gave too little respect to Cai/Fu instead, with their gestures and smiles and cocky attitude.

You are making an assumption that I am arguing for the sake of arguing. Lets do away with assumptions here, shall we dude?? :rolleyes:

You win DUDE -- I am not debating this anymore -- 3rd set to you!

You win DUDE -- I am not debating this anymore -- 3rd set to you!

It is not about who wins in our discussion. We are not here for a contest or whatsoever. We are here for a discussion on our fav sport i.e. badminton. And I am sorry to see that you take our discussions as a contest. :confused:

It is not about who wins in our discussion. We are not here for a contest or whatsoever. We are here for a discussion on our fav sport i.e. badminton. And I am sorry to see that you take our discussions as a contest. :confused:

I admire the way you twist the words in your replies.

in any sports at all....the MAIN point of a champion is the PROFESSIONALISM...

Yes i agree, That Final lasted 64 minutes, CTF/LWW played well 62 minutes, eventually lost their concentration in the last 2 minutes and this had caused them the MD title........I M so sad for them,......for not being mature enough after they failed in AE twice ....also with the same problems they had...and they keep repeating...and repeating ...again and again....:crying: :crying: :crying:
Sorry I disagree. It is fatigue. Compounded by cy/fhf 's excellent closing technique awareness. They suddenly changed strategy which elicited more error-prone returns. All CHN needed to do is not hit winners but get MAS to hit unforced errors.Fatigue does not show itself gradually;it would be building up for a while and then when the threshold is reached, it would express itself in a string of unforced errors.CHN definitely is smarter in closing and I' m pretty sure, they prepare for it.There are many things one should not pick up from LYB but this aspect,MAS coaches would do better to analyse and learn and devise their own.

they were too carried away during 2nd set match point. if they keep calm and maintain their excellent play, we do not need to discuss about the rubber set or lack of stamina anymore. LWW/CTF can only blame themselves for losing at match point rather than blaming on age or stamina.

Agree with your on LWW. Despite his talents, he will never be one of the greats as his major shortcoming is himself actually. LWW is never a humble person by nature. He is cocky and arrogant and yes, my friends who came across him told me so too.

Yesterday, he had Cai/Fu at match point not once but twice and still blew it. He was smilling when they were at matchpoint in the 2nd game. Despite his experience he should have known better.

Sad to see despite playing so well, we still bottled in the end.
I met LWW before and he wasn't cocky and what's wrong with his gestures and smiling? I enjoy watching LWW(and KKK)'s gestures;they are entertaining and indicate interesting personalities.If LWW's gestures were offensive, the umpire(who is a pretty good one) would have warned him.I believe your friends should reflect on their shortcomings.And did LWW ever say he wanted to be a badminton great?
tg/cw had cy/fhf at matchpoint not once but twice and still blew it.They have more experience than ctf/lww. How do you explain tg/cw's failure?

In my opinion, the coach need to work with CTF/LWW on their on court chemistry. All too often I observed that CTW tend to blame LWW when he makes a mistake and ths always seem to be a prelude to them losing a game even when they are leading.

LWW/CTF lost because they were too carried away during matchpoint. they simply lost focus. anyway, a good start for them after winning the ABC last week. at least they make up for the disappointment of KKK/TBH. Rexy need to change LWW/CTF mentality during match points. the same thing happen to them at Hong Kong Open where they lost to Markis/Hendra. Same old old old story.

I admire the way you twist the words in your replies.

Give it a rest, dude. Take your dignified exit and leave thru the back door.

I met LWW before and he wasn't cocky and what's wrong with his gestures and smiling? I enjoy watching LWW(and KKK)'s gestures;they are entertaining and indicate interesting personalities.If LWW's gestures were offensive, the umpire(who is a pretty good one) would have warned him.I believe your friends should reflect on their shortcomings.And did LWW ever say he wanted to be a badminton great?
tg/cw had cy/fhf at matchpoint not once but twice and still blew it.They have more experience than ctf/lww. How do you explain tg/cw's failure?

If you enjoy watching gestures which are entertaining, maybe you should try the circus instead. There are clowns there to keep you nicely entertained with their gestures :D

Well, KKK and LWW's gestures got them nothing. It was Cai/Fu who had the last laugh yesterday. Maybe LWW told you he only wanted to be a nearly guy in badminton.

Tell me seriously, did you see TG/CW's over confident attitude e.g like smiling during their match points? And what make you say they have more experience than CTF/LWW??? :confused:

If you enjoy watching gestures which are entertaining, maybe you should try the circus instead. There are clowns there to keep you nicely entertained with their gestures :D

Well, KKK and LWW's gestures got them nothing. It was Cai/Fu who had the last laugh yesterday. Maybe LWW told you he only wanted to be a nearly guy in badminton.

Tell me seriously, did you see TG/CW's over confident attitude e.g like smiling during their match points? And what make you say they have more experience than CTF/LWW??? :confused:
he's not cocky.. just got carried away.. happens at times... so y bother???

If you enjoy watching gestures which are entertaining, maybe you should try the circus instead. There are clowns there to keep you nicely entertained with their gestures :D

Well, KKK and LWW's gestures got them nothing. It was Cai/Fu who had the last laugh yesterday. Maybe LWW told you he only wanted to be a nearly guy in badminton.

Tell me seriously, did you see TG/CW's over confident attitude e.g like smiling during their match points? And what make you say they have more experience than CTF/LWW??? :confused:
You haven't answered my question.How do you explain tg/cw's failure?

he's not cocky.. just got carried away.. happens at times... so y bother???

Well, no matter how we look at it yesterday, it was a big miss for LWW/CTF.

You haven't answered my question.How do you explain tg/cw's failure?

Ok, certainly they did not lose the game due to over-confidence. You certainly didnt see the smirk on their face unlike LWW/CTF yesterday. They lost due to fatigue and Cai/Fu's incredible court coverage and anticipation.

And what make you say they have more experience than CTF/LWW???

it was really a big miss. big big miss. LWW/CTF is good, but they are not good enough during matchpoint. hope for better attitude from them in the future. their smashes and defense are okay.

nah... i think ctf/lww's attacking just isnt there.. their defense was great by the way.... :D

Guys, no matter how far we debate this, the fact that Choong/Lee lost does not change. Whether it's fatigue and mistakes, or overconfidence, composure and attitude is up to your interpretation. I would ask however, that whatever comments put should not put the players in very bad light, especially given the performance shown in that match.

What I saw yesterday was a commitment to win by BOTH sides, and without any unsportsmanlike behaviour. No quarter was given away, it was a no holds barred contest that unfortunately just had to have only one winner. And for that, I appreciated the efforts from Choong/Lee to win the title, it was just not their day. I also appreciated the improvement shown by Cai/Fu, they did what they could to overturn the strings of losses to Malaysian pairs senior and junior in previous tournaments. The onus now is for Malaysian pairs and coaches to continue improving so that we are always a few steps ahead.

21 years ago, Razif/Jalani Sidek came back from a similar situation to defeat LYB/TBY in the World Grand Prix Finals. They were trailing 3-9 in 2nd game having lost the 1st, and again 3-8 in the rubber. Granted, we don't have online forums then, but I would wager that the Chinese supporters then did not react negatively to the result.

If after all is said and done, we start complaining when the results don't go our way, why even bother watching the sport or supporting our players?

If you enjoy watching gestures which are entertaining, maybe you should try the circus instead. There are clowns there to keep you nicely entertained with their gestures :D

Well, KKK and LWW's gestures got them nothing. It was Cai/Fu who had the last laugh yesterday. Maybe LWW told you he only wanted to be a nearly guy in badminton.

Tell me seriously, did you see TG/CW's over confident attitude e.g like smiling during their match points? And what make you say they have more experience than CTF/LWW??? :confused:

Lol.... gestures has nth to do with winning or losing right? Cai/Fu has loads of cocky gestures too, but the only lil diff is that they didnt do directly at the face of opponents...

It was an awesome game.It was such a pity that Lww/Ctf lost.Their defence was solid and Ctf'smashes were at times unretrievable.Lww was equally good at the front.All in all the majority thought they would win.As usual they let it slipped by.Nothing new.Happens before.Old habits die hard.Anyway they prove that they can still play marvellously.At 31 and 32, losing to the world no.1 pair,is not a let-down.Dont give up.So many more tournaments to amend your mistakes.

Dude, Zakry/Tazari are NO juniors, they r very good players esp Zakry. They are older than Koo/Tan and definitely hv much experience than TBH. What i mean its harder to beat teammates were, they knew every tricks and weakness of yr combination, thats why.
"the stadium in Jakarta too noisy for them to perform".... well, dont worry i wont copy LYB's fav excuse. If they lost b4 semis in IO this time i will bash them myself :D

hahahah....:D:D:D:D:D:D:D well said.

i wont say a single thing even if kkk dresses like mc hammer or vanilla ice provided that he has the right attitude on court, which he doesnt have.:D:D:D:D:D

so far yet so near..lolz

let's see how CTF/LWW performs in Indonesia Open. hope the victory won't slip from their hand again. it was too close this time. blame it on them for being too hurry to seal the second game.

Maybe we should propose to IBF the following:

to not allow our own players/pairs to play each other as "it is tougher to play your own teamates"
to have all super series tournaments be held in Msia only
to allocate a 'subsidy' of 10 points in advance to all MAS players
to give MAS the Olympic gold for free;)

the subsidy should be 15......hahahaha........:D:D:D:D:D

typical LWW/CTF performance. Never had the champion factor, unlike KKK/TBH. Don't know why, as a hardcore Malaysian fan, I don't feel anything due to their lost. Maybe I'm beginning to get used to LWW/CTF getting the second place. Or maybe, this is just the beginning of the rise of LWW/CTF, since this is just another Open tournament??

nah... i think ctf/lww's attacking just isnt there.. their defense was great by the way.... :D

CTF/LWW smashes were powerful during the 1st set. they smash all the way. after that, they lack the power in the 3rd set. smashes are weak and many mistakes. their stamina finished after the 2nd set. perhaps they smashed a lot in the 1st set. maybe it was CY/FHF strategy in the 1st set to make CTF/LWW tired.

typical LWW/CTF performance. Never had the champion factor, unlike KKK/TBH. Don't know why, as a hardcore Malaysian fan, I don't feel anything due to their lost. Maybe I'm beginning to get used to LWW/CTF getting the second place. Or maybe, this is just the beginning of the rise of LWW/CTF, since this is just another Open tournament??

if KKK/TBH has the champion factor, they won't lost to CTF/LWW and Zakry/Fairuzizuan recently. give claps to CTF/LWW for reaching two finals in three weeks. great job to Zakry/Fairuzizuan too. we do not need to rely totally on KKK/TBH anymore.

if KKK/TBH has the champion factor, they won't lost to CTF/LWW and Zakry/Fairuzizuan recently. give claps to CTF/LWW for reaching two finals in three weeks. great job to Zakry/Fairuzizuan too. we do not need to rely totally on KKK/TBH anymore.


They DO have the champion factor. Asian Games winner, AE Winner. They WIN. and they win BIG. I know it's disappointing for fans to see them losing when u all expect them to win. But you have to admit that they won. Unlike CTF/LWW and Zakry/Fairuz. CTF/LWW has a few titles to show off, but nothing BIG, although they may have been surviving and staying competitive for almost 10 yrs already!! :)

typical LWW/CTF performance. Never had the champion factor, unlike KKK/TBH. Don't know why, as a hardcore Malaysian fan, I don't feel anything due to their lost. Maybe I'm beginning to get used to LWW/CTF getting the second place. Or maybe, this is just the beginning of the rise of LWW/CTF, since this is just another Open tournament??

Same here, CTF/LWW are hopeless! Some of you may say that i am being too harsh but it's true.

I would not bash Cheah Soon Kit and Yap Him Hock for losing in a few big finals because back then, they infact lost to a better pair.

I am sick of CTF/LWW after seeing them played in the AE final against JE/ML, HKO final against MK/HS and yesterday's SO final against CY/FHF. In all these finals, they were leading a huge margin and any decent pair would have wrapped up the match but time and time, they failed!

if KKK/TBH has the champion factor, they won't lost to CTF/LWW and Zakry/Fairuzizuan recently. give claps to CTF/LWW for reaching two finals in three weeks. great job to Zakry/Fairuzizuan too. we do not need to rely totally on KKK/TBH anymore.
Winning against yr teammates doesnt means that u hv the champion factor either! Wats the point constantly win against yr teammates while losing easily to foreign pairs? U sounded like KKK/TBH is the ultimate hopeless loser after only 2 recent lost to teammates, while after so much glory they've bring to us? Wat sort of mentality is that?

they are so cocky (especially LWW), they deserved the lost!
FHF/CY punished them well....Agreed, I support yr statement. Especially when they win a point, LWW show his hand and ask people to...come on with the cocky face. But 1 thing i got to agree is they have a solid defence, really unexpected.

if KKK/TBH has the champion factor, they won't lost to CTF/LWW and Zakry/Fairuzizuan recently. give claps to CTF/LWW for reaching two finals in three weeks. great job to Zakry/Fairuzizuan too. we do not need to rely totally on KKK/TBH anymore.

Agree!! Well said!

Lol.... gestures has nth to do with winning or losing right? Cai/Fu has loads of cocky gestures too, but the only lil diff is that they didnt do directly at the face of opponents...

No the difference was Cai/Fu had the last laugh .... coming back from 2 match points down in the 2nd game and fighting back from 7 points behind in the rubber to take the SO! Thats the difference, dude. ;)

the subsidy should be 15......hahahaha........:D:D:D:D:D

.... but if still cannot win , how??? :o :o

I told myself..... don't be too happy, after CTF/LWW won the first set. We've seen too many flops from this pair before... And true enough, they flopped again ! Are they satisfied that as long as they enter the finals, its good enough ?:confused:

However, one point of observation though, this pair is still good and at their ages, they are still fast ! So please control you emotions and bring back some titles !:mad:

You know, I can't believe you have the same trapped mindset as yellow stirrer;raking up the past disappointments all the time. If they don't blow it the next time, what would you say? I'll appreciate some comments in advance. (Didn't tg/cw blow it too? Did you say they never learn? tg/cw's tank dried up faster,in the mid of G3) Move on,oldies and be goldies.

Their is a huge difference between TG/CW and CTF/LWW. One pair has OG Gold medals, AE, WC titles, the other has nothing. In Many ways LWW/CTF are much better players than TG/CW, but just cannot cross the finish line. This is not My opinion but fact.

Even if they win the next tournament they will always be known as chokers IMO. One swallow doesn't make a summer.

Hey wait, u sounds like our dear Yellowstring. Now only i notice that both of u r the same person, wat happened to yr previous username? :D

banned.

and banned again...

Why was he/she banned?

Btw i was with LWW after his lost at the hotel. He doesnt seems to be much affected by it negatively even he knows its a waste that they lost the match. But anything can happen on court. But he and CTF knows that they still have it. Even they lost, many were encouraging them. Well i do personally hope they will do well in Indo Open.

Why was he/she banned?

Btw i was with LWW after his lost at the hotel. He doesnt seems to be much affected by it negatively even he knows its a waste that they lost the match. But anything can happen on court. But he and CTF knows that they still have it. Even they lost, many were encouraging them. Well i do personally hope they will do well in Indo Open.

Ants do u know hows the condition of KKK/TBH, hope the boys wont get too discouraged after their 1st round lost...

Why was he/she banned?

Btw i was with LWW after his lost at the hotel. He doesnt seems to be much affected by it negatively even he knows its a waste that they lost the match. But anything can happen on court. But he and CTF knows that they still have it. Even they lost, many were encouraging them. Well i do personally hope they will do well in Indo Open.

If he is not affected with the loss after coming so close, LWW should get his head examined. I put a huge question mark on his motivation.

Will be extremely hard for them to do a repeat in the IO.

Their is a huge difference between TG/CW and CTF/LWW. One pair has OG Gold medals, AE, WC titles, the other has nothing. In Many ways LWW/CTF are much better players than TG/CW, but just cannot cross the finish line. This is not My opinion but fact.

Even if they win the next tournament they will always be known as chokers IMO. One swallow doesn't make a summer.
I don't care whether tg/cw has more big titles than ctf/lww.I deal with the present.The point is they are making a great comeback.Last year they were losing to just about every MD and (compounded by Rexy's unkind remarks) would have their confidence shaken to the core.When you sink that low, it's very tough to rise up,esp. with unrelentless jibes from MAS fans who are great as badminton relics and cannot see beyond their noses .When you can rise above all that pressure to suffocate, it is indicative of champion material.Well they have won one title (and kkk/tbh are champions in their own right!) and when I look at the quality of the MD match,both ctf/lww and cy/fhf are champions.Unfortunately there's only one first prize which could have gone either way.
What ctf/lww should have done ,given that they have that choice, is to let go of G2 and tire cy/fhf out like kkk/tbh did in AE07 so they have enough energy to win G3.When you cannot match your opponent in physical stamina, it's easier to take it in 3 games rather than 2. That's what Boonsak did against LD.Also in physical pacing,it's easier to win with energy usage like max,min,max rather than max,max,max because the 3rd max may not last till the end of the match.Even LD plays that way with tough opponents like LCW although LD is known for his physical stamina.
ok,so you said ctf/lww never learn their lesson. What advice would you give them so they can close out properly?

Both pairs are good. CTF/LWW's defense were pretty. Much more better the the previous years. They really do improved under the coaching of Rexy, =)..... Still the same old prob, after leading ....they lost in the end....pathetic. Nvm, Keep on going CTF/LWW....Hope to see both of you perform well in World Champ in aug!!!

banned.

and banned again...

For loudmouthing everyone and everything ?:)

I told myself..... don't be too happy, after CTF/LWW won the first set. We've seen too many flops from this pair before... And true enough, they flopped again ! Are they satisfied that as long as they enter the finals, its good enough ?:confused:

However, one point of observation though, this pair is still good and at their ages, they are still fast ! So please control you emotions and bring back some titles !:mad:
I don think they r emotional..they can control their emotion better than others..;)

Winning against yr teammates doesnt means that u hv the champion factor either! Wats the point constantly win against yr teammates while losing easily to foreign pairs? U sounded like KKK/TBH is the ultimate hopeless loser after only 2 recent lost to teammates, while after so much glory they've bring to us? Wat sort of mentality is that?

so, you still think KKK/TBH is the greatest? we don't live in history. the fact is they had lost. if you bashed LWW/CTF because they lost in the FINAL, isn't it worst for KKK/TBH to lose in the FIRST ROUND?? if you keep look to the past because they won something great, THEN YOU WILL STILL THINK HAFIZ HASHIM IS THE GREATEST FOR WINNING THE ALL ENGLAND. of course, as fellow malaysians, i do hope KKK/TBH can bounce back. TBH has the champion factor but KKK needs to change his attitude.
Your mentality must change too. we cannot always regard history as yardstick. we look at the present and future. winning something big once does not mean that you are great. many past champions flop and look at Gopichand who won the All England title too. what happen to his career after that victory? his performance slides and he turned into a coach.
To me, correct attitude is the champion factor. Boonsak did not win any All England or Asian Games or Swiss Open, but he is a champion in Singapore. Taufik won major tournaments consistently while Lin Dan holds the no.1 ranking for a long time. Peter Gade won the Malaysia Open despite being hospitalized a few days before the tournament. It's the correct attitude that is important, not past achievements. Know??

They DO have the champion factor. Asian Games winner, AE Winner. They WIN. and they win BIG. I know it's disappointing for fans to see them losing when u all expect them to win. But you have to admit that they won. Unlike CTF/LWW and Zakry/Fairuz. CTF/LWW has a few titles to show off, but nothing BIG, although they may have been surviving and staying competitive for almost 10 yrs already!! :)

Do you know how many times they came back from surgery?? If you are them, you think you can revive your career?? salute to LWW/CTF for fighting against age and injury. You do some search first.
in the past, when Cheah Soon Kit/Yap Kim Hock are our no.1 pair, LWW/CTF play as no.2 in thomas cup. they are consistent being the no.2 and no.1 in malaysia till today. if you think they useless, why Rexy still wants them? Don't forget, LWW/CTF and KKK/TBH are ASSURED of their places in World Championship.
We had Zakry/Fairuz, Chan/Hoon, Lin/Gan and Tan/Ong in national team, but why Rexy still keep LWW/CTF?? simply because they still have the fire to go on and on. IF YOU HATE MY JUDGMENT, YOU GOT TO BELIEVE REXY'S JUDGMENT.

so, you still think KKK/TBH is the greatest? we don't live in history. the fact is they had lost. if you bashed LWW/CTF because they lost in the FINAL, isn't it worst for KKK/TBH to lose in the FIRST ROUND?? if you keep look to the past because they won something great, THEN YOU WILL STILL THINK HAFIZ HASHIM IS THE GREATEST FOR WINNING THE ALL ENGLAND. of course, as fellow malaysians, i do hope KKK/TBH can bounce back. TBH has the champion factor but KKK needs to change his attitude.
Your mentality must change too. we cannot always regard history as yardstick. we look at the present and future. winning something big once does not mean that you are great. many past champions flop and look at Gopichand who won the All England title too. what happen to his career after that victory? his performance slides and he turned into a coach.
To me, correct attitude is the champion factor. Boonsak did not win any All England or Asian Games or Swiss Open, but he is a champion in Singapore. Taufik won major tournaments consistently while Lin Dan holds the no.1 ranking for a long time. Peter Gade won the Malaysia Open despite being hospitalized a few days before the tournament. It's the correct attitude that is important, not past achievements. Know??

According to Rexy, their lost to Tazari/Zakry is nothing to do with the attitude problem, and he was also satisfy on KKK's commitment in training. And did i mention anything about KKK/TBH being the greatest? To me they are only consider great after they've won WC and OC.
My point is, losing to teammates does not made them hopeless losers. Hv faith in Rexy at least, he believe in wat the boys and capable of. :cool:

so, you still think KKK/TBH is the greatest? we don't live in history. the fact is they had lost. if you bashed LWW/CTF because they lost in the FINAL, isn't it worst for KKK/TBH to lose in the FIRST ROUND?? if you keep look to the past because they won something great, THEN YOU WILL STILL THINK HAFIZ HASHIM IS THE GREATEST FOR WINNING THE ALL ENGLAND. of course, as fellow malaysians, i do hope KKK/TBH can bounce back. TBH has the champion factor but KKK needs to change his attitude.
Your mentality must change too. we cannot always regard history as yardstick. we look at the present and future. winning something big once does not mean that you are great. many past champions flop and look at Gopichand who won the All England title too. what happen to his career after that victory? his performance slides and he turned into a coach.
To me, correct attitude is the champion factor. Boonsak did not win any All England or Asian Games or Swiss Open, but he is a champion in Singapore. Taufik won major tournaments consistently while Lin Dan holds the no.1 ranking for a long time. Peter Gade won the Malaysia Open despite being hospitalized a few days before the tournament. It's the correct attitude that is important, not past achievements. Know??

Let us forget this argument. We cannot base the performance of the past for the future, either way.

If they don't win today, it does not mean they will not win tomorrow, and even if they win today, it may not mean they will win tomorrow.

Attitudes -- everyone has them, lesser or greater. I think for the case of KKK, it was a case of him being carried away, not amounting to a real bad attitude. The quickness in his response to saying he is sorry suggested he was too naive when it happened, and he said it was a lesson learned.

Rexy acknowledged the guy was back to seriousness in his training and had already forgiven him. So what I am saying to you is that you are both right in saying what you said.

Take every view in moderation.:)

Let us forget this argument. We cannot base the performance of the past for the future, either way.

If they don't win today, it does not mean they will not win tomorrow, and even if they win today, it may not mean they will win tomorrow.

Attitudes -- everyone has them, lesser or greater. I think for the case of KKK, it was a case of him being carried away, not amounting to a real bad attitude. The quickness in his response to saying he is sorry suggested he was too naive when it happened, and he said it was a lesson learned.

Rexy acknowledged the guy was back to seriousness in his training and had already forgiven him. So what I am saying to you is that you are both right in saying what you said.

Take every view in moderation.:)
Spoken like a sage.Thanks for the wisdom. So MAS fans, would you pls move forward now?

Spoken like a sage.Thanks for the wisdom. So MAS fans, would you pls move forward now?

Touche, my friend. MAS fans like me are so vocal. (laugh)

According to Rexy, their lost to Tazari/Zakry is nothing to do with the attitude problem, and he was also satisfy on KKK's commitment in training.

if their lost to Tazari/Zakry has nothing to do with attitude problem and KKK's commitment in training, then why they still lost? a lost is a lost. LWW/CTF lost because of their eagerness to end the 2nd set at matchpoint.
what about KKK/TBH? ok, i listen to you that they are committed and their attitude problem is not a problem. in that case, what are the reasons that they lost?? it means tazari/zakry is simply BETTER in terms of skills and speed? then i'll listen to you that tazari/zakry is BETTER. thanks for enlighting me. more of good show from tazari/zakry and CTF/LWW in the future. and not forgetting our KKK/TBH who are still figuring out how to win their own teammates.

if their lost to Tazari/Zakry has nothing to do with attitude problem and KKK's commitment in training, then why they still lost? a lost is a lost. LWW/CTF lost because of their eagerness to end the 2nd set at matchpoint.
what about KKK/TBH? ok, i listen to you that they are committed and their attitude problem is not a problem. in that case, what are the reasons that they lost?? it means tazari/zakry is simply BETTER in terms of skills and speed? then i'll listen to you that tazari/zakry is BETTER. thanks for enlighting me. more of good show from tazari/zakry and CTF/LWW in the future. and not forgetting our KKK/TBH who are still figuring out how to win their own teammates.
If u choose to insist on the attitude problem and ignore even Rexy's comment, well there is nothing much i can say :cool:

If u choose to insist on the attitude problem and ignore even Rexy's comment, well there is nothing much i can say :cool:


hahaha, now will you take my advice ?:D

hahaha, now will you take my advice ?:D

Yes yes, am very tired already hehe :p

banned.

and banned again...

thank you very much! :)

he or she is such a jerk!

If u choose to insist on the attitude problem and ignore even Rexy's comment, well there is nothing much i can say :cool:

I am not insisting on attitude problem. i already hinted that Tazari/zakry is better. rexy has the vision to produce good pairs. Tazari/Zakry is the latest example. that's why KKK/TBH lost. If KKK/TBH can win the Asian Games, All England, Swiss Open and Malaysia Open suddenly after pairing up, why not Tazari/Zakry?? I have faith in Tazari/Zakry recent success. Credits to LWW/CTF. again, i repeat, KKK/TBH does not have attitude problem, but they need to find out how to beat their teammates again. happy?? ;) of course you are right, but you just don't grasp my meaning earlier.

According to Rexy, their lost to Tazari/Zakry is nothing to do with the attitude problem, and he was also satisfy on KKK's commitment in training. And did i mention anything about KKK/TBH being the greatest? To me they are only consider great after they've won WC and OC.
My point is, losing to teammates does not made them hopeless losers. Hv faith in Rexy at least, he believe in wat the boys and capable of. :cool:

I am all eyes for the coming IO .... personally, I dont think KKK has it in him to come back. I think he will be just another underperforming shuttler in BAM stable. So, lets see whether I am proven wrong or not. ;)

Do you know how many times they came back from surgery?? If you are them, you think you can revive your career?? salute to LWW/CTF for fighting against age and injury. You do some search first.
in the past, when Cheah Soon Kit/Yap Kim Hock are our no.1 pair, LWW/CTF play as no.2 in thomas cup. they are consistent being the no.2 and no.1 in malaysia till today. if you think they useless, why Rexy still wants them? Don't forget, LWW/CTF and KKK/TBH are ASSURED of their places in World Championship.
We had Zakry/Fairuz, Chan/Hoon, Lin/Gan and Tan/Ong in national team, but why Rexy still keep LWW/CTF?? simply because they still have the fire to go on and on. IF YOU HATE MY JUDGMENT, YOU GOT TO BELIEVE REXY'S JUDGMENT.

Nobody says that CTF/LWW is useless. We're here talking about the thread on 'so near yet so far'. I DID mention about being CONSISTENT as in SURVIVING and being able to stay competitive throughout the years, it's just that they never win big, even when leading a huge margin like mentioned here before. Do not get me wrong, they CAN STILL be countable on team events and certainly more. It's just that, they need to buck up on their finishing. Don't you feel frustrated as a fan, when u r so eager to see your idols winning, and yet they missed out the match points? :cool:

Nobody says that CTF/LWW is useless. We're here talking about the thread on 'so near yet so far'. I DID mention about being CONSISTENT as in SURVIVING and being able to stay competitive throughout the years, it's just that they never win big, even when leading a huge margin like mentioned here before. Do not get me wrong, they CAN STILL be countable on team events and certainly more. It's just that, they need to buck up on their finishing. Don't you feel frustrated as a fan, when u r so eager to see your idols winning, and yet they missed out the match points? :cool:

Nope, I donnt get frustrated. Because I know for you they just dont have what it takes.

Nobody says that CTF/LWW is useless. We're here talking about the thread on 'so near yet so far'. Don't you feel frustrated as a fan, when u r so eager to see your idols winning, and yet they missed out the match points? :cool:
even this thread name is wrong. what does this thread title means? if you are frustrated seeing LWW/CTF losing in final, will you be frustrated till death if KKK/TBH lose in first round??

I don't care whether tg/cw has more big titles than ctf/lww.I deal with the present. What advice would you give them so they can close out properly?


I don't want to stoke the fire, but if you say you only deal with the present, then how far do you go back? I honestly can't see the difference in their Yearly average from before LWW was injured and now. In fact they are probably worse now.


Advice-very difficult, I have stated many times before in various threads that Skills and technical abilities are far easier to learn and develop than Mental Ability. IMO in the Nature Vs Nurture debate there is elements of both, but the influence of the element has different bias for example (IMO):

Speed: Nature 60% Nurture 40%
Skills (eg. Footwork, strokework): Nature 20% Nurture 80%

Mental: 90% Nature 10% Nurture.

To summarise my advice, there is very little they can do to influence their choking. It is natural to them as a pair and they can improve it, but cannot eradicate it. They are destined to become perennial Runner-ups.

Do you know how many times they came back from surgery?? If you are them, you think you can revive your career?? salute to LWW/CTF for fighting against age and injury. You do some search first.
in the past, when Cheah Soon Kit/Yap Kim Hock are our no.1 pair, LWW/CTF play as no.2 in thomas cup. they are consistent being the no.2 and no.1 in malaysia till today. if you think they useless, why Rexy still wants them? Don't forget, LWW/CTF and KKK/TBH are ASSURED of their places in World Championship.
We had Zakry/Fairuz, Chan/Hoon, Lin/Gan and Tan/Ong in national team, but why Rexy still keep LWW/CTF?? simply because they still have the fire to go on and on. IF YOU HATE MY JUDGMENT, YOU GOT TO BELIEVE REXY'S JUDGMENT.

I agree with you, the main reason Rexy decided to keep Lee/Choong is becasue they are still performing well and most probably will qualify for the Olympic too. Even though Rexy has brought up many new young pairs but only KKK/TBH actally has major impact and won few titles. Lee/Choong has been a work horse for team Malaysia for so long and should have, could have won more titles with tougher mentality. We should realize and appreciate Lee/Choong contribution especially at their age. Lee/Choong may not win more titles in future tournaments but still more than capable to help his team mates in "clearing path" in any tournament, more like Chen Yu does for team China. As much as I hate to see Lee/Choong often "so close yet so far" scenario, they are still better than those who expect to go deep and lost in early round.

I agree with you, the main reason Rexy decided to keep Lee/Choong is becasue they are still performing well and most probably will qualify for the Olympic too. Even though Rexy has brought up many new young pairs but only KKK/TBH actally has major impact and won few titles. Lee/Choong has been a work horse for team Malaysia for so long and should have, could have won more titles with tougher mentality. We should realize and appreciate Lee/Choong contribution especially at their age. Lee/Choong may not win more titles in future tournaments but still more than capable to help his team mates in "clearing path" in any tournament, more like Chen Yu does for team China. As much as I hate to see Lee/Choong often "so close yet so far" scenario, they are still better than those who expect to go deep and lost in early round.

yes, brother. you hit the right spot accurately. Lee/Choong is the secret underground digger for Malaysia who digs the path for other Malaysia doubles to go through. Lee/Choong still provides good sparring session for others too. furthermore, their game is the most stable that i had ever seen among malaysian players. they has the experience. we must appreciate Lee/Choong. right now, they are enjoying badminton at their age. more to come from them.

After watching the video, I have to thank LWW/CTF for showing one of the best MD matches ever !!! Their defense is just stunningly solid, I say the best I have ever seen in many years. If this pair were 3 years younger, I have no doubt they would beat Fu/Cai, or anyone today, in straight sets. I just wish they were few years younger.

If this pair were 3 years younger, I have no doubt they would beat Fu/Cai, or anyone today, in straight sets. I just wish they were few years younger.

The thing is though, and this is my point, 3 years ago, 5 years ago they were the same. They were awesome for parts of the game, soaking up the pressure from opponents attacks, and counterattacking to devastating at the net, with LWW at the net and CTF smashing at the back they were unplayable at points in matches, but they still didn't do it.

IMO, this is the best MD match since this 21 points system is introduced. Would have been sweetest for me and many if the result is reverse. :) :crying:

The thing is though, and this is my point, 3 years ago, 5 years ago they were the same. They were awesome for parts of the game, soaking up the pressure from opponents attacks, and counterattacking to devastating at the net, with LWW at the net and CTF smashing at the back they were unplayable at points in matches, but they still didn't do it.

That is true, especially when they gave two titles away to the Danes at All England. IMO, one of the reasons is weak defense, none of them could return deadly smashes that Jens delivered.

However, they seem to have improve lately. This is not the same defence 3 or 5 years ago. They might be weaker in attacks, but defense is definitely much better than before.

I think Rexy must have done something to them.

if their lost to Tazari/Zakry has nothing to do with attitude problem and KKK's commitment in training, then why they still lost? .It could be a phenomena called "regression to the mean".:p

LWW/CTF has done reasonably well considering their age. They may not be no. 1 but can certainly be relied on many occasions. Just look at them during last yr's Thomas Cup. Didn't they contribute a point when the MAS single failed ? Geez, it's just so difficult to please everyone.

LWW/CTF has done reasonably well considering their age. They may not be no. 1 but can certainly be relied on many occasions. Just look at them during last yr's Thomas Cup. Didn't they contribute a point when the MAS single failed ? Geez, it's just so difficult to please everyone.

Many are traitors and lousy fans, they forget their heroes. If we have a 'memorial for our badminton heroes, they could very well spit on it'.:D

The thing is though, and this is my point, 3 years ago, 5 years ago they were the same. They were awesome for parts of the game, soaking up the pressure from opponents attacks, and counterattacking to devastating at the net, with LWW at the net and CTF smashing at the back they were unplayable at points in matches, but they still didn't do it.

Exactly, their loses are due to their weak mentality. They just could not finish up the game and bring home the title. No finishing!

Some said that they lost in SO due to age. I would not say so. If i am not mistaken, JE/ML were still winning major titles when they were older.

well, if they win their matches in INA Open, cai/fu will meet lww/ctf again in the quarter final. Let pause and wait couple of days and see a re-match:)

well, if they win their matches in INA Open, cai/fu will meet lww/ctf again in the quarter final. Let pause and wait couple of days and see a re-match:)

The more they play the more they even out, law of averages. So we expect LWW-CTF to return the favour.:D

KKK and TBH took their lost against their counterpart seriously. Both of them played their hearts out and much better than how they played in the ABC finals.
Rexy was not angry with them.. just that Tazari and partner played better and capitalise on KKK TBH's weaknesses.
When they lost, they just sat down and talk to each other for about 20mins or so. From what i can see so far their attitude towards the game has changed for better. Of course they are not perfect...have to still improve in terms of mental and physical.

As for LWW CTF.. they did acknowledge that they lost a golden opportunity. Its not that they take the lost likely. They know what happened that cost them the Championship. But they have a better understanding on their game now and the future. They will still play their best.

thanks for the info ants.
hope both pairs will do well in IO n in the future too
though they lost, ctf/lww proved tat they are still good.
all the best to them
mas boleh
hehe

if we talk about skills rather than composure, LWW/CTF definitely have powerful smash and excellent defense. their weakness in composure is the inability to finish off matches at matchpoint. if they are more patient, they will definitely win during matchpoints. waiting for the rematch in indonesia open very soon.

KKK and TBH took their lost against their counterpart seriously. Both of them played their hearts out and much better than how they played in the ABC finals.
Rexy was not angry with them.. just that Tazari and partner played better and capitalise on KKK TBH's weaknesses.
When they lost, they just sat down and talk to each other for about 20mins or so. From what i can see so far their attitude towards the game has changed for better. Of course they are not perfect...have to still improve in terms of mental and physical.

Good communication among each other. I hv faith the combination will become better.

Good communication among each other. I hv faith the combination will become better.
yup.. their communication is getting better nowadays.. finally, they accept each other and give encouragement on court..

yup.. their communication is getting better nowadays.. finally, they accept each other and give encouragement on court..
Great!!Argue is not a way to settle all the doubts n to correct the mistakes they did!!encouragement is much more better than we keep bashing on them!!:p
Tat's y LWW/CTF are still the top players in Mas..We never c the vetearans giv bad comments of each others..no much excuses they give when they lost!!

Great!!Argue is not a way to settle all the doubts n to correct the mistakes they did!!encouragement is much more better than we keep bashing on them!!:p
Tat's y LWW/CTF are still the top players in Mas..We never c the vetearans giv bad comments of each others..no much excuses they give when they lost!!

Agree. Based on their current form, they are among top-4 in the world (the other 3 are CY/FHF, KKK/TBH and TG/CW). If they had received a more favorable draw in this IO, they are certainly capable of entering their 3rd consecutive final.

I agree with you, the main reason Rexy decided to keep Lee/Choong is becasue they are still performing well and most probably will qualify for the Olympic too. Even though Rexy has brought up many new young pairs but only KKK/TBH actally has major impact and won few titles. Lee/Choong has been a work horse for team Malaysia for so long and should have, could have won more titles with tougher mentality. We should realize and appreciate Lee/Choong contribution especially at their age. Lee/Choong may not win more titles in future tournaments but still more than capable to help his team mates in "clearing path" in any tournament, more like Chen Yu does for team China. As much as I hate to see Lee/Choong often "so close yet so far" scenario, they are still better than those who expect to go deep and lost in early round.

Agree with you Han! The correct term for CTF/LWW is "Garbage Men" because they are doing the dirty work to clear the path for their team mates.

In basketball the garbage men usually do the dirty work by clearing the boards or collecting rebounds and let the shooter to score and get the limelight.

Agree with you Han! The correct term for CTF/LWW is "Garbage Men" because they are doing the dirty work to clear the path for their team mates.

In basketball the garbage men usually do the dirty work by clearing the boards or collecting rebounds and let the shooter to score and get the limelight.
Sorry to disagree. Garbage men won't be allowed to win titles when the favoured is present. CTF/LWW beat KKK/TBH to win the ABC07 recently.Maybe you're referring to CH (before he retired) or CY now. You guys just cannot forgive them, can you? Why not wait and see? The future is hard to tell but the amazing thing is they are still playing tops. Maybe even better than before but good only for one tournament. Still there are many chances.

Yes, I still hold my view that CTF/LWW is among the top-4 MD pairs in the world at this point of time. Judging from their performance in SO and perhaps IO, I think they have the capability to be among the best. What prevent them from winning more titles is their lack of mental toughness at the crucial moments. It would be 40:60 when they face CY/FHF and 50:50 when they face CW/TG or KKK/TBH. Howver, they do have the slight edge if their opponents are MK/HS, JJS/LYD (or JJS/LJJ) or JE/MLH.

We may have learnt that lesson, but it seems LWW/CTF haven't even after years of being on the receiving end of the negative consequences of not following the lesson.

Singapore Open:

hendra/ joko over MLH/JE :crying: :crying: :crying:

Their is a huge difference between TG/CW and CTF/LWW. One pair has OG Gold medals, AE, WC titles, the other has nothing. In Many ways LWW/CTF are much better players than TG/CW, but just cannot cross the finish line. This is not My opinion but fact.

Even if they win the next tournament they will always be known as chokers IMO. One swallow doesn't make a summer.

Indonesia Open:

MFMT/MZAL over MLH/JE 26-24 25-23 :crying: :crying: :crying:

Their is a huge difference between TG/CW and CTF/LWW. One pair has OG Gold medals, AE, WC titles, the other has nothing. In Many ways LWW/CTF are much better players than TG/CW, but just cannot cross the finish line. This is not My opinion but fact.

Even if they win the next tournament they will always be known as chokers IMO. One swallow doesn't make a summer.

Sour grapes james, since my goodness swiss open, aren't you eh? Now it has turned into assortment of sour pies:D :D :D I saw the game KJ played the other day, and i hope he can take defeat well:crying: :crying:PG needs him now more than ever. Bloom-Bloom Bloom-Bloom:D

I don't want to stoke the fire, but if you say you only deal with the present, then how far do you go back? I honestly can't see the difference in their Yearly average from before LWW was injured and now. In fact they are probably worse now.


Advice-very difficult, I have stated many times before in various threads that Skills and technical abilities are far easier to learn and develop than Mental Ability. IMO in the Nature Vs Nurture debate there is elements of both, but the influence of the element has different bias for example (IMO):

Speed: Nature 60% Nurture 40%
Skills (eg. Footwork, strokework): Nature 20% Nurture 80%

Mental: 90% Nature 10% Nurture.



To summarise my advice, there is very little they can do to influence their choking. It is natural to them as a pair and they can improve it, but cannot eradicate it. They are destined to become perennial Runner-ups.

One can stick to what he sees, you certainly do not need to give accounting for BCers. However if you must, you may analyse the state of england BA:rolleyes: After devoting all the resources, money,time, coaching efforts but only to XD department, have you accomplised what you want?:rolleyes: Or perhaps may be you need a PROACTIVE leader who has vision? Uk has been in badminton scene for longer than Germany, France, and some others; but they are making progress with pair like KH/IK and the Bulgarian gal Petya Nedeltcheva who lost to WC today. You have a new player in Robert Adcock and a new coach from Korea?? I wish you well. As for Gail/Nathan, what have you done for mother england lately?:o And for JE/MLH, just get used to the defeat(s), they are not getting any better:crying: :crying: :crying:

Many are traitors and lousy fans, they forget their heroes. If we have a 'memorial for our badminton heroes, they could very well spit on it'.:D

I fully agree. There are full of lousy fans in BC!!!

Tat's y LWW/CTF are still the top players in Mas..We never c the vetearans giv bad comments of each others..no much excuses they give when they lost!!
they are enjoying badminton. they wont give excuse when they lost because they know they had given their very best. i like seeing LWW/CTF play too. smash defense smash defense. this is what spectators want to see.

This is not the first occasion that the Malaysian duo Lee-Choong let the Championship slip:

(1) Thomas Cup Final (can't remember which year)
(2) 2004 All England Final
(3) 2007 Singapore Open Final

I really couldn't continue watching that I switched off the TV when they were trailing 18-20 in the decider set.
Disappointing and heartbreaking again.

They have all the skills but not mental strength.

Are they going to hang up their racquets with plenty of runners-up?