Hi all,
Welcome to session #3 of the CCC League games. The games will be played on the second Sunday session of CCC: 27th May 2007.

The Play

Player participation is requested from section 1 players to form two teams of four players each. No handicap will be applied to any of the scores so each game is a straightforward race from 0 to 21 aces with no setting.

Team Scoring

One team point will be accrued for each game won. At the end of the night the aces scored for each team will be summed, the team with the higher number of aces will be awarded one additional team point for every 20 aces difference.

So what are you waiting for?

To register your interest please add your name to the list posted below.

By restricting the player selection to a single CCC handicap section we can schedule games
involving all combinations of players. The combinations are listed below in pairs
representing games that can be played simultaneously.
Team 1 vs Team 2
a & b vs a & b
c & d vs c & d
a & c vs a & c
b & d vs b & d
a & d vs a & d
b & c vs b & c
a & c vs b & d
b & d vs a & c
a & d vs b & c
b & c vs a & d

There are 10 games in total, assuming a start time of 8pm and 15 minutes per game the expected completion time is 9:15pm when played on two courts.

Player participation is requested from the CCC handicap section 1 pool. If you are ranked in section 1 at any time from now till the scheduled play date please consider joining.

Player selection:

(1) Player handicap rankings will be taken from the penultimate Friday session prior to the scheduled games (ie 19th May).

(2) From those that have joined, the player topmost in the list is selected for player a Team 1. The next topmost is selected for player a Team 2, alternating selection continues until all places are filled.

Players:

1. DoublesPlease

Player participation is requested from the CCC handicap section 1 pool.

Hi DP, is this Trial ONLY available to players whose name is in the section 1 of Chris's handicap list? Please verify.

Hi DP, is this Trial ONLY available to players whose name is in the section 1 of Chris's handicap list? Please verify.

Correct. We'll play each section in turn 2-3 weeks apart.

dp

Player participation is requested from the CCC Handicap Section 1 pool. If you are ranked in section 1 at any time from now till the scheduled play date please consider joining.

Player selection:

(1) Player Handicap Rankings will be taken from the penultimate Friday session prior to the scheduled games (ie 19th May).


Hi DoublesPlease,

A small correction to your post...

(1) Player Handicap Rankings will be taken from the penultimate of our Friday Session as at the End of Friday 11-May-2007.

This is because... on Friday 18-May-2007, our venue@Waverley is not available for us. :mad:

And, because of our big 200+ participants, the Results as at the End of Friday 25-May-2007 Session will not be available by Sunday 27-May-2007.

Cheers... chris@ccc

Seems likely that I may be able to to go to this one, but I can't participate in this particular session, as I do not qualify :o

Seems likely that I may be able to to go to this one, but I can't participate in this particular session, as I do not qualify :o

Hey Hagane,

If not this time then there will be other nights hosting different sections.

dp

Hey Hagane,

If not this time then there will be other nights hosting different sections.

dp


dp

Give him wide card or put him in the qalifying round.

If not this time then there will be other nights hosting different sections.

Will see... will see :)

Kong-19: Wild Card? :P :P. I think most people would still kick me out in the first round :p

Hi DoublesPlease,

A small correction to your post...

(1) Player Handicap Rankings will be taken from the penultimate of our Friday Session as at the End of Friday 11-May-2007.

This is because... on Friday 18-May-2007, our venue@Waverley is not available for us. :mad:

And, because of our big 200+ participants, the Results as at the End of Friday 25-May-2007 Session will not be available by Sunday 27-May-2007.

Cheers... chris@ccc


Greetings,

At our meeting last night, Wednesday 9-May-2007, at Suppertime@CCC, I made a comment that I was concerned that we could only get a poor participation number of players from our Section 1 players for this League Games Trial #3.
This is only based on the response thus far, as seen from the replies in this thread.

And I have spoken to DoublesPlease regarding this concern of mine.

As at today, Thursday 10-May-2007, the Handicaps for our 47 members@ccc are;
(Handicaps for our 200+ CCC Casual Visitors are recorded, but not listed here)

Section 1
1* -8 chris@ccc
2* -8 Andrew-N
3* -8 Jason-K
4* -8 Kevin-C
5* -8 Siva-S
6* -6 Andrew-W
7* -6 Jason-F
8* -6 Kulwinder-S
9* -6 Peter-L
10* -6 Tony-P
11* -4 Andrew-H
12* -4 Ashraf-S
13* -4 Boon Kain-T
14* -4 Daniel-S
15* -4 John-W
16* -4 Kelvin-K
17* -4 Ketut-S
18* -4 Luke-C
19* -4 Schuze-C


Section 2
20* -2 Laurie-C
21* 0 Cuong-L (Initial Entry)
22* 0 Elton-G (Initial Entry)
23* 0 Eric-L (Initial Entry)
24* 0 KC-Chan (Initial Entry)
25* 0 Helina-G (Initial Entry)
26* 0 John-L
27* 0 Julian-H
28* +2 Abi-F
29* +2 Edward-C
30* +2 Foo-SH
31* +2 Slyvia-W


Section 3
32* +4 George-B
33* +4 Karen-C
34* +4 Luke-L
35* +4 Melchor-P
36* +4 Thiru-N
37* +4 Chiranthi-M
38* +6 Hans-I
39* +6 Jack-Y
40* +6 Keith-T
41* +8 David-N
42* +8 Helmut-H
43* +8 Ken-H
44* +8 Lily-C
45* +8 Llewellyn-H
46* +8 Monica-H
47* +8 Rohini-T



Many members who have not participated in our CCC Handicapped Games (played only on Friday nights) are initially awarded with Handicaps at 0.

So...... we will play our CCC Handicapped Games in our next 3 Social Sessions;
on 11-May-2007 Friday,
on 16-May-2007 Wednesday, and
on 20-May-2007 Sunday,
therefore allowing players to check if they can qualify into Section 1.


But, I would like to remind everyone@ccc......
CCC Badminton believes that 'Participation is the key to the enjoyment of Badminton, not the winning or losing'. :):):)


This post answers DoublesPlease's question: "Who are the members@CCC in Section 1 ?" :confused::confused::confused:


BTW, to answer kong-19's question... I am quite sure that Hagane can qualify easily into Section 1. :):):)


Cheers... chris@ccc

I would like to think there's enough enthusiasm out there that we can get 8 players together on a Sunday night. To broaden the appeal I'll expand the range of player handicaps from -8 to 0 for these games.

Add your name to the list if you're interested in playing.

dp

woo hoo! :D

1. DoublesPlease
2. Hagane

DP,

I believe there are many players in Section 1 (plus Wild Card for Hagane) that are interested in joining the League game.
The problem is that many is not reading the thread.
I'll go around and ask them on Wed, 16-May.
For now,
1. DP
2. Hagane
3. BK

Thks.

Seriously, many members from section 3 miss the friendly against highvale so i think they would be interested in a trial league just for section 3.

Well if all systems are go, this is what i need
- discuss structure of the trial match (if section 3 were playing amogst section 3, i think dividing people in teams is good)
- section 3 members email + phone no (chris, i need to talk to you regarding this matter)
- i need people start talking about this

With me absent on next wednesday, i only have next friday to ask. In all, i need everybody's help to organise this!

Hi hkhung,

We have started a new thread for your CCC League Games Trial #4.
You will find it located at: http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=44000

And we hope that other players from Section 3 are as keen as you to participate in this CCC League Games Trial #4.

DoublesPlease suggested that it should be organised for a Sunday after the Sunday of 27-May-2007, when the Trial #3 is held.

Cheers... chris@ccc

BK+DP:

Regarding how hard to organise, I feel you guys. Let me know when section 3 could be involved so i can PM people.

The following is written in sheer passion of the trial league and if i write just like i talk with no sense, please bear with me



I can see that both DP and me are organizing our own league and i wonder for future leagues, can we take into the consideration to

- have set date of the trial league (say first sunday)

- have format of x amount of players from certain section
a) hence less players needed to be commited to a particular nite. cos i can see that everytime we are stressed of not enough players and if we have to do that again and again, it's just not easy.


CCC Badminton believes that 'Participation is the key to the enjoyment of Badminton, not the winning or losing'.

b) I love to participate but i don't have chance in hell joining section 2 let alone the coveted "section 1" tag.

c) With captains, work of organizing could be delegated and people won't have to ask the same question again and again like "can i be involved", "when is it on?"

- play singles and use the availabilty of sunday
a) depends whether people like singles though ....

If only we could stop everybody like Chris and make a speech all the time regarding to the trial league ..... Hang on, maybe we could do that!

I would love to print posts from the discussion forum and get people to read them. Then again, the ones who want to know about that would have already know in the forum. rite?

Let's get poeple talking about trial league as much as possible. Have a "trial league awareness" day!

Let me know when section 3 could be involved so i can PM people.

dang! i mean section 2.

all these passion for trial league is getting into me head

Hi hkhung,

We have started a new thread for your CCC League Games Trial #4 for Section 3 players.
You will find it located at: http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=44000



Hi hkhung,

Let us not have our discussions for CCC League Games for Section 3 players in this thread.

This thread is for Section 1 players.

I believe that our Section 1 players could get confused and/or become jumbled and muddled, if we talk about our Section 3 players' League Games here in this thread.

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Let's get poeple talking about trial league as much as possible. Have a "trial league awareness" day!



But we should talk about different trials in their own different threads.

And DoublesPlease suggested that our League Games for Section 3 players should/could be organised for a Sunday after the Sunday of 27-May-2007, when the Trial for Section 1 players is to be held.

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all these passion for trial league is getting into me head



It is great that you are so passionate about your Trial League Games. :):):)

Cheers... chris@ccc

http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/images/icons/icon14.gif hkhung is so passionate about his League Games for Section 3 players

love the thumbs up.

I knew i would get a gold star for that "essay".

Siva just emailed me, one more to the list:

1. DP
2. Hagane
3. BK
4. Siva

Chris, since this is already TRIAL League #4, any chances of making the League permanent. Can we do it everyweek over let's say 3 months?

One-off league is very un-league. :p



Hi BadFever,

Once DoublesPlease has determined what is the BEST FORMAT, we will commence our CCC League Games (for different CCC Sections) in earnest.

Cheers... chris@ccc

Hi DoublesPlease,



I have competition this Wednesday(23-May-2007) so I won't be coming along this week.



You have a good one, at your competition tonight, Wednesday 23-May-2007.

BK168 will be looking for more Section 1 players for us tonight, Wednesday 23-May-2007. :)





Siva just emailed me, one more to the list:

1. DP
2. Hagane
3. BK
4. Siva



So... BK168 needs to find only 4 more players for our CCC League Games Trial #3. :):)

Cheers... chris@ccc

Ok ladies and gentlemen.
We have our final list of participants for Sunday League Game.
Total players: 8 + 1 (reserve)
Games will be played on 2 courts and the other 2 courts for social games.

1. DoublePlease
2. Hagane
3. BK168
4. Siva
5. Ketut
6. Badfever
7. Fuji
8. Kim
9. AndrewN (reserve)

May I suggest to draw lot to determine each group members?
Btw, what shld we call the groups?
Back to you, DP.

Siva just emailed me, one more to the list:

1. DP
2. Hagane
3. BK
4. Siva





...... BK168 will be looking for more Section 1 players for us tonight, Wednesday 23-May-2007. :):):) ......





...... We have our final list of participants for Sunday League Game.
Total players: 8 + 1 (reserve)

Games will be played on 2 courts and the other 2 courts for social games.

1. DoublePlease
2. Hagane
3. BK168
4. Siva
5. Ketut
6. Badfever
7. Fuji
8. Kim
9. AndrewN (reserve) ......



To BK168,

Well Done !!! :):):)

Not only we have gathered the required number (8 required) of players, but we now have a reserve as well.

DoublesPlease will be Double Pleased. ;););)

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And to all other players@ccc,

Please note that this CCC League Games Trial #3 will be using only 2 out of our 4 courts.

The remaining 2 courts will be used for our usual Social Games, our CCC Handicapped Games.

And I have just received mail from Cheung from Hong Kong, one of our Badminton Central moderators, informing me of visiting our CCC@Waverley on Sunday 27-May-2007.

So, please let us give Cheung a BIG WELCOME !!! :):):)

And come along with us, to attend our SUPPERTIME@CCC with Cheung on Sunday 27-May-2007.

Cheers... chris@ccc

Hey BK

Five players signed up in one night, well done. Also thanks to the players that have volunteered. Have a look at the first two or three posts in this thread for selection strategy and using the latest table chris posted has posted in the thread at http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=43979 we have:

Team 1 - Garfields
1. BadFever
2. Kim
3. DoublesPlease
4. BK168

Team 2 - Odies
1. Siva
2. Ketut
3. Fuji
4. Hagane

I'll see you all Sunday.

dp

Hey BK

Five players signed up in one night, well done. Also thanks to the players that have volunteered. Have a look at the first two or three posts in this thread for selection strategy and using the latest table chris posted has posted in the thread at http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=43979 we have:

Team 1 - Garfields
1. BadFever
2. Kim
3. DoublesPlease
4. BK168

Team 2 - Odies
1. Siva
2. Ketut
3. Fuji
4. Hagane

I'll see you all Sunday.

dp

DP,

May I suggest to have some singles matches as well.
I am sure that some of the players would want to win points for their
team on their own merit.
Suggestion:
We make a random draw on match day to determine which player from each team to play the other.
Total singles matches: 4

Cheers.

Team 1 - Garfields
Team 2 - Odies

Love the team name, guys. Is "Odies" purposely being misspelt?

Is "Odies" purposely being misspelt?



Hi hkhung,

Hehehe... The teams will be fighting like cat and dog !!! :):):)

You might not know this...

Garfield is a cat and Odie is a dog.

Garfield is a fictional character (and the principal character) in the Jim Davis comic strip Garfield. He is a lazy, overweight, orange, anthropomorphic, tabby cat (with bare feet) who enjoys eating, sleeping, stealing (especially donuts), and tormenting Odie by kicking him off the table. He hates Mondays because he suffers bad luck on those days and considers himself to be more intelligent than humans, dogs, or animals. He also enjoys entertaining (or annoying) an unseen neighboring audience on top of a fence in the middle of the night (and gets bombarded by various objects by the agitated audience for it). He hates spiders, and often swats them with a rolled up newspaper (or whatever may be close to paw). One of his talents is walking on ceilings, which he says it's because of his sharp claws.

Garfield started walking on his hind feet from time to time due to being too fat to walk on four legs. By the middle of 1983, Garfield was walking on two feet.


Odie is a lovable but intellectually challenged yellow-furred, brown-eared dog (another Jim Davis' creation) constantly panting and drooling with his very large tongue he is rarely seen without. Odie was purchased from the same pet shop Garfield was purchased. Recently, Odie seems to be walking on two feet more often.


For more details about Garfield and Odie, please visit this link located at:
http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/Garfield


Cheers... chris@ccc

By restricting the player selection to a single CCC handicap section we can schedule games
involving all combinations of players. The combinations are listed below in pairs
representing games that can be played simultaneously.
Team 1 vs Team 2
a & b vs a & b
c & d vs c & d
a & c vs a & c
b & d vs b & d
a & d vs a & d
b & c vs b & c
a & c vs b & d
b & d vs a & c
a & d vs b & c
b & c vs a & d

There are 10 games in total, assuming a start time of 8pm and 15 minutes per game the expected completion time is 9:15pm when played on two courts.

Hey DP,

I think you missed a couple of combo. Added below.
Team 1 vs Team 2
a & b vs a & b
c & d vs c & d
a & c vs a & c
b & d vs b & d
a & d vs a & d
b & c vs b & c
a & c vs b & d
b & d vs a & c
a & d vs b & c
b & c vs a & d
a & b vs c & d
c & d vs a & b

Since each pair plays 2 games together.
Cheers.

I think you missed a couple of combo.

If there's no objection I will add the two games to the schedule.

dp

Hi hkhung,

Hehehe... The teams will be fighting like cat and dog !!!

DP:

Would i see a picture of Odie or Garfield on your schedule board next to your team name?

It's a good one. let's hope on the day it wouldn't be raining cats and dogs.

Silly me, of course Odie didn't mean the strategically "misspelt" words i was thinking.

On serious matter, in case i don't come on sunday, would you like me to give you the usual clipboard+scoresheet+pen tonite?

I think you missed a couple of combo. Added below.

BK:

Now I know you were just as passionate as me on trial league.

Maybe you could help me to communicate to members on next wednesday? for me?

On serious matter, in case i don't come on sunday, would you like me to give you the usual clipboard+scoresheet+pen tonite?

Thanks for the offer HK, I'll pick them up tonight.

dp

Hi all,

As we discussed during supper, where Thomas Cup and Uber Cup will be held in 2008, I found out from the internet that it will be in Jakarta, Indonesia.

http://www.answers.com/topic/thomas-cup

FYI
Cheers.

As we discussed during supper, where Thomas Cup and Uber Cup will be held in 2008, I found out from the internet that it will be in Jakarta, Indonesia.

http://www.answers.com/topic/thomas-cup



Greetings everyone@ccc,

Thank you to BK168 for checking for us@ccc... where the next Thomas Cup will be held.

So... it will be in Jakarta, Indonesia. Congratulations to Indonesia !!! :):):)

At our suppertime@ccc, we were so overwhelmed with the attendance of our special guest, Cheung, our Badminton Central moderator from Hong Kong, that we have forgotten to thank DoublesPlease for the time and effort that he has put into organising our CCC Leagues Games Trial #3.

So... A VERY BIG THANK YOU to DoublesPlease !!! :):):)

When I was driving Cheung back to his hotel from our CCC Badminton, Cheung said he enjoyed participating in our CCC Leagues Games Trial #3. :):):)

But when I was driving Cheung from his hotel to our CCC Badminton, he mentioned that the way how we are organising our Queuing System for our CCC Social Games is slightly different from how they are doing it in the UK, the PEG SYSTEM.

I was meant to ask Cheung to explain it to us all, at our Suppertime@CCC, but I have forgotten to ask him so. :o:o:o

So... if Cheung is reading this post, we hope that you would explain it to us, via our Badminton Central Discussion Forums, via this thread.

Finally... we now await DoublesPlease to compile and post the Results for our CCC League Games #3. :):):)

Cheers... chris@ccc

... but were they Garfields or Odies?

VIP guest player Cheung from Hong Kong partnering Ketut. Seemingly a good team!

Team Odies! :D

oh yes, helmut, Chris, I didn't record the handicap change last night :o
Sorry :o:o

Luckily it's only one game for me :D

... but were they Garfields or Odies?

VIP guest player Cheung from Hong Kong partnering Ketut. Seemingly a good team!



Hi helmut,

Thank you for your pics. :):):)

Cheung and Ketut were part of Team Oldies.



oh yes, helmut, Chris, I didn't record the handicap change last night :o
Sorry :o:o

Luckily it's only one game for me :D



Hi Hagane,

Not to worry......

As we mentioned last night, it was only the 3rd time we that we were introducing helmut's system, the Label System, to more players@ccc.

We did not expect it to be performed correctly, 100%. :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

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Hi everyone@ccc,

For our next session, on Wednesday 30-May-2007, helmut and chris@ccc will be away, involved in our CATS.

Our players who have not seen/used this system, will now learn the Label System from Hagane and others who have tried/used it.

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Last but not least...... We wish to thank helmut for his time and effort to introduce his Label System.

So...... A VERY BIG THANK YOU to helmut !!! :):):)

But credits should also be given to the following who gave suggestions that initiated this system:
1. HandsFull - wanting to try ad hoc Doubles partnership during our sessions
2. BadFever - wanting to have an organised Games Schedule (for players awaiting to play)
3. Siva-S - wanting to play Singles Games (1-on-1 and/or 2-on-1)
4. DoublesPlease - wanting to reduce work for chris@ccc administrating the older system
5. helmut - wanting to reduce overcrowding around our Magnetic and Score Boards

Finally... we want to thank everyone@ccc who have the patience for us to develop this newer system (as required/suggested by those who have brainstormed us).

We sincerely hope that our players@ccc will now be happier. :):):)

But, sometimes we wish that CCC will settle down, and not to have ever-changing systems, for it has caused too much stress to our players and organisers. :):):)

Cheers... chris@ccc

Cheung and Ketut were part of Team Oldies.
Cheers... chris@ccc

Correction, Chris.....so that you don't get banned. :p

They are Team Odies, not Oldies, you know, the cute doggy, cat's best friends.

Correction, Chris.....so that you don't get banned. :p

They are Team Odies, not Oldies, you know, the cute doggy, cat's best friends.



Hi BadFever,

Hehehe.... My apologies...

Typo Error !!! :):):)

Yes, it should be The Odies, not The Oldies..... My embarrassment :o:o:o

I think Cheung and Ketut will be very angry with me.

Cheers... chris@ccc

Yes, it should be The Odies, not The Oldies..... My embarrassment

Now i know the "true" reason for this strategically mispelt word.

.... to get people banned from the forum!

Cats vs Dogs. The feed bowl was dragged to the left and to the right, in the end supper was served.

We welcomed Cheung for the first time at CCC playing for the Odies, and Andrew played for the Garfields. The format of play was restructured into a rather gruelling four games on, one game off sequence played on two courts, each player played 10 games in roughly 2.5 hours.

The teams were:

Garfields
a. BadFever / a2. Chris@CCC
b. Kim
c. DoublesPlease
d. BK168
e. Andrew

Odies
a. Siva
b. Ketut
c. Fuji
d. Hagane
e. Cheung

And the results:

Garfields vs Odies
a.b (21) vs a.b (13)
c.d (20) vs c.d (21)
a.c (14) vs a.c (21)
b.e (13) vs b.e (21)
a.e (21) vs a.e (15)
b.d (21) vs b.d (10)
a.d (21) vs a.d (16)
c.e (21) vs c.e (17)
b.c (21) vs b.c (13)
d.e (19) vs d.e (21)
a2.b (21) vs c.d (15)
c.d (21) vs a.b (16)
a2.c (21) vs b.e (19)
b.e (21) vs a.c (11)
a.d (21) vs b.e (8)
b.e (21) vs a.d (19)
a.e (21) vs c.d (18)
c.d (12) vs a.e 21)
b.d (10) vs c.e (21)
c.e (21) vs b.d (19)

Garfields: 14 games / 382 / Points = 14 + 2 =16
Odies: 6 games / 335 / Points = 6

Bonus points are calculated from Integer((382 - 335)/20)

dp

I agree, it is time for this to become not a trial. There is now sufficient interest to run Section 1 games on a recurring basis. If you are interested to join up for the next games (Sunday 3rd May) then go here:

http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=44186

dp

I agree, it is time for this to become not a trial. There is now sufficient interest to run Section 1 games on a recurring basis. If you are interested to join up for the next games (Sunday 3rd May) then go here:

Hey, sorry for the nitpicking, you mean 3rd June, rite?

If so, that means there are 2 leagues running on that nite, section1 + section 3.

yikes!

Hey, sorry for the nitpicking, you mean 3rd June, rite?
If so, that means there are 2 leagues running on that nite, section1 + section 3.

Yes, I mean the 3rd June. Thanks for the scoring stuff too HK, I'll bring it along with me Wed. It will be a bit of a tight fit with two games going on but I'm sure we'll manage.

dp

It will be a bit of a tight fit with two games going on but I'm sure we'll manage.

DP:

manage? I am sure that would happen after a couple of catfights (hopefully this would attract more people to come on sunday CCC).

Seriously, regarding to the scorecard+board, thank chris to remember to give to you. Maybe those 2 board would be the official CCC scoreboard now.

I am glad that your league is up up and away!

Man, i still only have 5 people, so could you help me to advertise that on wed day? I have a lot of maybes (vivien, karen, thiru and his wife, melchor) except

Jack (who i don't think would come on wed day)
George B (who decline on last friday)

If you+BK could help me with that this would good.

... Man, I still only have 5 people, so could you help me to advertise that on wed day? I have a lot of maybes (vivien, karen, thiru and his wife, melchor) except
Jack (who i don't think would come on wed day)
George B (who decline on last friday)

If you+BK could help me with that this would good.



Hi hkhung,

Don't worry. If Sunday 3-Jun-2007 is not possible, we still have the whole month of June to work on this League Games for Section 4 Players.

Only at the end of June, we will make a decision, regarding whether to make our Sunday CCC@Waverley an ongoing session. :confused:

But sincerely we hope that Sunday could/would be an ongoing session. :):):)

BTW, let us talk more about League Games for Section 4 Players in its thread located at:
http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=44000
And we will ask more players to read it. :):):)

Cheers... chris@ccc