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Felicia_txh

05-10-2007, 07:00 AM

Father-to-be Taufik may miss world meet

By RIZAL ABDULLAH
the star online (http://thestar.com.my/sports/story.asp?file=/2007/5/9/sports/17669055&sec=sports)

JOHOR BARU: Father-to-be Taufik Hidayat will skip the World Badminton Championships in Kuala Lumpur from Aug 13-19 and stay with his wife Ami if she does not deliver their first child by the time the tournament gets underway.
“The due date is Aug 9 but the doctor has told me that it could be a week or two earlier or later. That has put my participation (in the world championships) hanging in the balance,” said Taufik at the Singapore Open, which ended on Sunday.
“To me, badminton takes a back seat now. My family come first and I will skip the championships if my wife does not deliver by then. I will certainly compete if my wife delivers before the championships begin.” Taufik won his third Asian title in Johor Baru three weeks ago. After losing in the second round in Singapore, Taufik turns his attention to his home Open.
Hope Amy can deliver their child earlier..so TH will participate in WC..

ctjcad

05-10-2007, 01:02 PM

you must be looking forward to see him play at WC. that's the value for our tickets.
..bottom dollar:) ..and yes, i'm sure i'm not the only one who is looking fw to him playing..:p :D ;)...but of course, if he can't make it, then that is no problem..:cool:

JaCk™

05-11-2007, 03:19 AM

..but of course, if he can't make it, then that is no problem..:cool:

and of course, if taufik can't make it, it is not a problem for chong wei too.. :) may the best man wins..

Angelou

05-11-2007, 05:23 PM

Awww... oh well I guess Taufik is making his slow exit out of badminton. It's a pity that a badminton player such as Taufik with such great mastery over his racquet to appear less and less now.

IndoAmerican

05-11-2007, 05:36 PM

Why not go through a Cesarean Section (http://www.webmd.com/baby/tc/Cesarean-Section-Topic-Overview) (or C-Section) procedure?
That way he could time it and still play at the tournament?
just my tought.

Felicia_txh

05-11-2007, 10:24 PM

azabaz_ipoh

05-11-2007, 11:43 PM

oh my goodness. we have no right to discuss what should be done in order for taufik to be able to play WC. if he plays, good for him and us too. if he does not get to play, he is putting priority to his family which is admirable. whatever happens should be for the best. i just thought it is crude to be discussing on how he can play in WC with no regard of what his wife is going through. this is after all their first child and the first child has always been a difficult one.

JaCk™

05-12-2007, 09:17 AM

of course, family comes first for badminton players. taufik sure wants to see his new born baby. he can't play well in WC if this matter keep bothering his mind.

taufik-ist

05-13-2007, 10:17 PM

amy should delivery the baby in malaysia hospital, his newborn baby can boost taufik to win wc 2007 :)

erin_hakkinen

05-17-2007, 10:47 AM

amy should delivery the baby in malaysia hospital, his newborn baby can boost taufik to win wc 2007 :)

OMG this is so true! :eek:
Especially if Taufik joins KLRC. Then he & wife can live in MAS and have their baby here :D

Misty100

05-17-2007, 11:27 AM

maa2003

05-17-2007, 09:19 PM

A good idea!!But Indonesian prefer to deliver their child naturally..;)

is not true now ....... most of my friend at the big city as like Jakarta, Surabaya, Bandung or even Medan prefer Caesarian .......... coz the can keep their *ahem-ahem* similar before has a baby ........ :D

tjl_vanguard

05-17-2007, 11:10 PM

is not true now ....... most of my friend at the big city as like Jakarta, Surabaya, Bandung or even Medan prefer Caesarian .......... coz the can keep their *ahem-ahem* similar before has a baby ........ :D
*ahem ahem*???? hihihihiii.... :D

robin7

05-18-2007, 04:09 AM

It's pretty normal that a guy who has won a WC before to miss the coming WC just for his first baby.

kidosetiawan

05-20-2007, 03:59 PM

amy should delivery the baby in malaysia hospital, his newborn baby can boost taufik to win wc 2007 :)

I agree lol.....

ants

05-20-2007, 04:44 PM

Hope taufik can play.

Cramps

05-20-2007, 05:40 PM

idiots...so many...idiots

phaarix

05-20-2007, 08:07 PM

idiots...so many...idiots

?

Well I hope it comes early then :)! But of course if it doesn't it's best to stay with his wife.

Angelou

05-20-2007, 08:23 PM

Yeah, from what I've been hearing about in the media, he doesn't really care anymore. He's already won the olympic and the world title. So missing the world championship doesn't really make an impact on him. And further more, the Worldchampionships are held every year now? Dang that sucks, the prestige of this title goes way down the drain. But when you look at the Olympic title, Damn. Your playing in a event that is recognized by the country and you only have a chance to play in it every 4 years. On top of that, you've got players who really really really want the title ! I think the only events that would get Taufik going is another Olympic title, or team event like the sudirman, and the Thomas.

I also thought the indonesian open should of been somewhat important to him , since its his home country, but he didn't seem to be affected when he lost to Bao.

Smichz

05-29-2007, 11:22 AM

amy should delivery the baby in malaysia hospital, his newborn baby can boost taufik to win wc 2007 :)

Agree..but however,i believe that no matter where the baby is delivered,he'll be much happier to play,n win for his son/daughter.

Torres

07-25-2007, 02:36 AM

If TH don't play in this WC, anyone winning the MS title will get bashed by TH's diehard fans... the usual talk of because TH is not playing that's why so-and-so won. If only TH played, he would have won it... bla, bla, bla...

In other words, I hope his wife delivers a week before the tournament starts, and TH gets to play.

Yes, as usual. In their mind, the others can win because TH was absence.
Even if TH decide to participate in WC 07, only TH's diehard fans will pick him as a winner, eventhough it is not logic. Don't forget, TH plays in Philipine open, and he lose to Nguyen Tien Minh. Prove that he is not stable.
I think TH is a smaller package of yoyo king Hafiz Hashim:D

smash

07-25-2007, 04:02 AM

No matter TH baby's will delivery a wk before the WC, if TH go to WC he will lose anyway infact:
= if TH go to WC before his baby delivered, his mind will not focus on WC but waiting for the baby
= if TH go to WC after his baby delivered, his mind will not focus either due to want to see a fisrt 10 days live his baby's
So no point to hush TH to play, better to motivate Sony or Simon and give them target that they will atleast facing up to semis round, other wise they will no longger pelatnas squad go back to their kampung.... this time PBSI should give reward and punishment.

samuel882

07-25-2007, 07:14 AM

ctjcad

07-25-2007, 12:05 PM

TH mind is on wining more $$$$ for his family .. His baby needs dat !! The WC doesnt have any prize money to win for.. Only for honour of their country... And TH already win the honour for INA before.. so y shld him put his family before hand.??
Money will be the main thing he plays for... So he will concentrate on SS and in SS finals end of this year wich offers very attractive prizes to the winner...
..but the last time Taufik won the WC(2005), as a matter of fact the Olympics, he received tons of goodies;)...I don't know if they'll give him the same rewards for winning the WC this time or not, but i have a feeling, his wife and in-laws will motivate him to compete, IF his new baby arrives before the WC..;)

cooler

07-25-2007, 12:19 PM

ye333

07-25-2007, 12:48 PM

C-Section should not be used this way. It should be used as a back-up when natural delivery seems not possible or dangerous. Also the mother loses much more blood during C-Section and is much weaker after delivery. Also it takes longer to recover, etc. :cool:

On the other hand, Taufik should find some Chinese 接生婆 (forgot the English word, obstetrician or something like that), I heard that they can time the delivery by tricks. One story I heard: one 接生婆 is about to eat when suddenly the mother show signs of immediate delivery, so the 接生婆 just did some tricky messaging and postponed the delivery and had her lunch in no haste. :D

Why not go through a Cesarean Section (http://www.webmd.com/baby/tc/Cesarean-Section-Topic-Overview) (or C-Section) procedure?
That way he could time it and still play at the tournament?
just my tought.

ye333

07-25-2007, 12:52 PM

samuel882

07-25-2007, 04:26 PM

Well.. IF he managed to win the AE.. Wich still not in his bag.. I fink he doesnt have any desire to achieve anything else ! Coz he already won everything BIG in his badminton carriers.

cooler

07-25-2007, 07:41 PM

I don't think that is true. He skipped 05,06,07 AE for various reasons, this shows he indeed does not care that much about AE. Furthermore that is Olympics next year, if he wants to do well in the Olympics, better not care too much about 08 AE. He played much worse in 04 AE than in 04 Olympics anyway. :cool:

this is same excuse we hear when TH lost, he dont wanna win or he don't care about that tournament so he didnt try hard. I doubt TH regard AE as a triva title to own. He had competed in much less profiled tournaments like the thailand and phillipine Opens.

ye333

07-25-2007, 08:09 PM

Torres

07-25-2007, 09:01 PM

I think you misunderstood me. It's my impression or conclusion after analyzing TH's behavior regarding AE.

How do you explain TH's missing 3 AEs in a row, with reasons sometimes not that convincing? There can be two explanations.
1. TH really cares about AE, so much so that he is afraid of losing.
2. TH does not care much about AE, even if he sometimes claim AE is his most desired title blah blah.

I think 1. is less probable than 2. Since, he has lost in AE many many times, could it hurt to lose one more time? He claimed he cared about 06 WC and then he lost to CH. So what, I don't think he treated the loss as big deal. For 2., ppl often claim this and that are important to them, but in fact, maybe subconsciously, they don't really treat "this" and "that" as very important. This happens all the time all over the world.

Now consider TH's case, in 04, AE is not as important as arguing with PBSI; in 05, AE is not as important as WC; in 06, wedding is more important; in 07, arguing with PBSI is more important. So isn't it clear how important AE is to him? If AE is really that important, can't he change his wedding date or put his conflict with PBSI aside for a while? TH is everything but stupid, he knows what he wants.

Well, in 08, I would say obviously the Olympics is much more important. So I think Taufik will never get an AE title.

Every time TH lose, his die-hard fans always very active to find an excuse for him. You're so lucky, Taufik.

In 2004, it's not true to say that he only care about OG. AE 04 was held on March, while ABC on April, and OG on August.
If he only cares about OG, why he didn't skip ABC. He can trained ultra hard in Cipayung for 3-4 months, so he can performed very well in OG, the most prestigious event in badminton.
He never won AE's title before, but he won ABC in 2000, and he won it again in 04.
TH cruise into SF AE 04. Can you say that he doesn't want to win the title? Why he didn't give up from the 1st round?

In AE 07, he was affraid to meet the other top players, that's why he skip the tourney. He realized that it's very hard to win the title.
When most of the top shuttlers were absence in ABC 07, he decides to play in that tourney, and he won it again. I realized that TH never get boring to win ABC titles.

It is contradictive with his die-hard fans that say TH hasn't motivation anymore to play in the events that he ever won. How about ABC? and how about S'pore Open?:confused::confused::confused:

Torres

07-25-2007, 09:05 PM

what TH wanted is an all-england title:p

Totally agree:p:p:p. There is something missing if he can't win it.

cooler

07-25-2007, 10:58 PM

I think you misunderstood me. It's my impression or conclusion after analyzing TH's behavior regarding AE.

How do you explain TH's missing 3 AEs in a row, with reasons sometimes not that convincing? There can be two explanations.
1. TH really cares about AE, so much so that he is afraid of losing.
2. TH does not care much about AE, even if he sometimes claim AE is his most desired title blah blah.

I think 1. is less probable than 2. Since, he has lost in AE many many times, could it hurt to lose one more time? He claimed he cared about 06 WC and then he lost to CH. So what, I don't think he treated the loss as big deal. For 2., ppl often claim this and that are important to them, but in fact, maybe subconsciously, they don't really treat "this" and "that" as very important. This happens all the time all over the world.

Now consider TH's case, in 04, AE is not as important as arguing with PBSI; in 05, AE is not as important as WC; in 06, wedding is more important; in 07, arguing with PBSI is more important. So isn't it clear how important AE is to him? If AE is really that important, can't he change his wedding date or put his conflict with PBSI aside for a while? TH is everything but stupid, he knows what he wants.

Well, in 08, I would say obviously the Olympics is much more important. So I think Taufik will never get an AE title.

Your theory is totally absurd. It's like if TH was a tennis pro and he diss the annual wimbledon as unimportant. :rolleyes: The reason TH avoided AE all these years is because he simply wasn't prepared or in shape**. Yes, TH is indeed smart, I would even assert that he play a role of picking his wedding date to coincide with 06 AE. I hardly doubt TH's father in law would object of postponing the wedding until the summer if taufik say he wanted to play the 06 AE. Tell me a better wedding gift than an AE title in 2006 (yes, TH got the asian game title in dec. but it's after the wedding).

** to back up my assertion that TH wasn't prepared for 05-07 AE (dismal 04 AE performance), and finds backdoor ways out to avoid them, here is cooler's theory. Historical data show that TH has the best chance of success in second half of each year; Aug. 04 OG, Aug 05 WC, Dec 06 AG. My crystal ball says TH party hard in dec, january, maybe even feb (chinese new year), leaving insufficient recovery time to compete in the annual AE in early March without looking like a first round player. If u r a betting man, my theory worth some coins to u:p

OneToughBirdie

07-25-2007, 11:38 PM

Your theory is totally absurd. It's like if TH was a tennis pro and he diss the annual wimbledon as unimportant. :rolleyes: The reason TH avoided AE all these years is because he simply wasn't prepared or in shape**. Yes, TH is indeed smart, I would even assert that he play a role of picking his wedding date to coincide with 06 AE. I hardly doubt TH's father in law would object of postponing the wedding until the summer if taufik say he wanted to play the 06 AE. Tell me a better wedding gift than an AE title in 2006 (yes, TH got the asian game title in dec. but it's after the wedding).

** to back up my assertion that TH wasn't prepared for 05-07 AE (dismal 04 AE performance), and finds backdoor ways out to avoid them, here is cooler's theory. Historical data show that TH has the best chance of success in second half of each year; Aug. 04 OG, Aug 05 WC, Dec 06 AG. My crystal ball says TH party hard in dec, january, maybe even feb (chinese new year), leaving insufficient recovery time to compete in the annual AE in early March without looking like a first round player. If u r a betting man, my theory worth some coins to u:p
Guys...hard to debate with Cooler...he research hard and dig up all the theories and he is arm right up to his armpit with all facts and theories...what else does you do with your spare time besides playing baddy on Tuesday night and watching live streaming in the middle of the night...hahaha!!!LOL!!:p:D:p:D

cooler

07-26-2007, 12:22 AM

Guys...hard to debate with Cooler...he research hard and dig up all the theories and he is arm right up to his armpit with all facts and theories...what else does you do with your spare time besides (1) playing baddy on Tuesday night and (2)watching live streaming in the middle of the night...hahaha!!!LOL!!:p:D:p:D

answer:
(1) i'm was really testing equips
(2) i'm was really evaluating pros and doing miscellaneous research
:p:D:)

darenong

07-26-2007, 12:23 AM

Taufik is just another player but with an extra a few more medals and acclaimed top players among the pros .... he goes to competition in order to play to win ... just like any other player ... if cant make it to the competition is solely personal reasons just like any other players ..... i think TH will win an AE ... its a matter of time ... badminton is his life no doubt abt it ..... and he make a living by playing badminton .... im sure ud agree with tat .. today u go to court playing like a pro and win all matches .. but it doesnt mean that ull win tomorrow same time same place or next week ... not even lindan can stand up and say " i can win any medal if i wan to ... " .. he is undoubtly the better players then the rest as an overall ... no ? TH is better bcos u like him ? lol hopefully th can win an ae to make his legendary statistics more memorable ........ to his fans perhaps ... id prefer th than ld .. lcw than th .. hehe

OneToughBirdie

07-26-2007, 12:37 AM

i think TH will win an AE ... its a matter of time ...
Problem is there isn't much time left for TH to win AE...after 2008, TH is gonzo...but if TH will to stick around after 2008, he has better chance to win AE as LCW, PG and LD are gone, only high power star remains is CJ.

badminto_expert

07-26-2007, 12:44 AM

samuel882

07-26-2007, 12:48 AM

Problem is there isn't much time left for TH to win AE...after 2008, TH is gonzo...but if TH will to stick around after 2008, he has better chance to win AE as LCW, PG and LD are gone, only high power star remains is CJ.

Where u get the source that LD is retired after the Beijing OP?
issit truth or the rumours all around !:confused::confused:

badminto_expert

07-26-2007, 12:50 AM

For my comments:

Only Taufik Hidayat is one player has good Completed Technique. I can't see that from another players.

So I hope Taufik can make it in Malaysia and join the WC 2007. All on the world want Taufik to come. We want to see the top players come and play..So the WC will be more compatitive. Bbecause Without Taufik, WC not like completed I think..

Taufik is just another player but with an extra a few more medals and acclaimed top players among the pros .... he goes to competition in order to play to win ... just like any other player ... if cant make it to the competition is solely personal reasons just like any other players ..... i think TH will win an AE ... its a matter of time ... badminton is his life no doubt abt it ..... and he make a living by playing badminton .... im sure ud agree with tat .. today u go to court playing like a pro and win all matches .. but it doesnt mean that ull win tomorrow same time same place or next week ... not even lindan can stand up and say " i can win any medal if i wan to ... " .. he is undoubtly the better players then the rest as an overall ... no ? TH is better bcos u like him ? lol hopefully th can win an ae to make his legendary statistics more memorable ........ to his fans perhaps ... id prefer th than ld .. lcw than th .. hehe

cooler

07-26-2007, 12:50 AM

Where u get the source that LD is retired after the Beijing OP?
issit truth or the rumours all around !:confused::confused:
LD+XXF=XOXOXO:p. That's why

OneToughBirdie

07-26-2007, 01:14 AM

LD+XXF=XOXOXO:p. That's why
Thanks Cooler for explaining...we talked about this on baddy court last night...just our surmising that PG gone because of age and declining ability, LCW gone as he was quoted that he will quit after OLY, LD gone because he has won them all only missing is OLY gold and if LD cannot win OLY08 there is slimmer than his waistline chance LD could be a force come OLY2012 (forget about winning anything, just making top 3 in CHN MS team in OLY2012 is tougher than heck), and as for TH same reason of age factor as LD and he has won them all too no desire to stick around and train so hard just for one 4-star AE event.
Actually, I am making fun of TH that if he wanna win AE, better play till all the 3 boys are gone after OLY08, as his chances are better...much better especially with LCW and LD gonzo, me being a bit sarcastic.

ctjcad

07-26-2007, 01:22 AM

This is from indonesia report:

Taufik: Tunggu Si Junior, Lewatkan Kejuaraan Dunia http://www.badminton-indonesia.com/joomla/images/M_images/pdf_button.png (http://www.badminton-indonesia.com/joomla/index2.php?option=com_content&do_pdf=1&id=2262) http://www.badminton-indonesia.com/joomla/images/M_images/printButton.png (http://www.badminton-indonesia.com/joomla/index2.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2262&pop=1&page=0&Itemid=2) http://www.badminton-indonesia.com/joomla/images/M_images/emailButton.png (http://www.badminton-indonesia.com/joomla/index2.php?option=com_content&task=emailform&id=2262&itemid=2) Written by Dania Ciptadi Thursday, 26 July 2007 Atlit tunggal putra nomor sembilan dunia, Taufik Hidayat, memastikan bahwa dirinya tidak akan mengikuti Kejuaraan Dunia yang akan berlangsung tanggal 13-19 Agustus di Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia nanti. Kepastian itu disebutkannya karena dokter mengatakan bayinya akan lahir tanggal 9 Agustus, tetapi ada kemungkinan lebih cepat atau lambat 1-2 minggu.
“Prediksi lahirnya adalah 9 Agustus, tetapi dokter bilang bisa saja maju atau mundur sampai dua minggu. Makanya partisipasi saya di Kejuaraan Dunia masih menggantung,” terang Taufik pada saat berada di Singapura untuk mengikuti Singapura Super Series yang lalu.
Taufik menegaskan bahwa dia ingin menemani istrinya, Ami Gumelar, sampai anaknya lahir.
“Sekarang bagi saya keluarga adalah nomor satu, dan saya sudah tidak lagi ingin berada di garis depan kebulutangkisan lagi. Saya tidak akan ikut Kejuaraan Dunia kalau Ami belum melahirkan sampai saat Kejuaraan tersebut mulai," tandas Taufik. "Tetapi kalau anak saya lahir sebelum Kejuaraan Dunia, saya pasti akan ikut."
Presiden Badminton Asia Confederation (BAC), Sutiyoso, melihatnya dari sudut pandang yang berbeda.
"Sebagai pemain profesional, seharusnya ia tetap tampil. Kelahiran anak dapat dijadikan sebagai semangat dalam memenangi pertandingan tersebut," ujarnya usai menghadiri Annual General Meeting Badminton Asia Confederation di Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia, Minggu. "Jadikan kemenangan sebagai kado untuk anaknya yang akan lahir."
Penggemar Deg-degan
Ketidak pastian Taufik untuk ikut dalam Kejuaraan Dunia membuat penggemar bulutangkis di seluruh dunia pun deg-degan. Pasalnya, mereka ingin melihat pertarungan seru yang dipertontonkan oleh Taufik, yang banyak disebut sebagai Master Segala Teknik ini.
Bahkan tidak sedikit dari para penggemar bulutangkis ini memberi berbagai macam saran kepada Taufik-Amy agar Taufik dapat berlaga di Kejuaraan Dunia. Mereka menyarankan mulai dari caesar yang dapat diatur hari kelahirannya, sampai menyarankan agar si jabang bayi dilahirkan di Malaysia saja kalau memang masih belum lahir juga sebelum Kejuaraan Dunia.
Ami sendiri mengatakan bahwa dia ingin melahirkan secara normal.
Kejuaraan Dunia akan dilangsungkan di Stadium Putra, National Sports Complex, Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia pada tanggal 13-19 Agustus 2007. Channel Vision 1 dari stasiun TV kabel Indovision akan menayangkan turnamen ini secara langsung.
Last Updated ( Thursday, 26 July 2007 )
..after reading it, looks like it's somewhat a compilation of old news..But for some reason, the statement in the 1st paragraph, as translated, which says "Taufik himself is assured that he will definitely NOT COMPETE in the upcoming World Championships..." is different than the following paragraphs & quotes. In the following paragraphs, the quotes noted that his participation is still a possibility, depending whether his baby is due before or after the tournament. For some reason it has a slight hint of irony or mis-interpretation. So, what is the truth??..:confused:
Anyways, for a full translation, let's ask other BC members to help us out..indra, Krisna, huangkwokhau or others, mind helping us with the translation?? thx in advance..;):cool:

samuel882

07-26-2007, 01:23 AM

Well.. IF TH really a MAN then he shouldnt wait for both these 3 players to quit then only shoot for the AE title.. Without all this great guns.. Wining the AE will be meaningless !

robin7

07-26-2007, 01:45 AM

Your theory is totally absurd. It's like if TH was a tennis pro and he diss the annual wimbledon as unimportant. :rolleyes: The reason TH avoided AE all these years is because he simply wasn't prepared or in shape**. Yes, TH is indeed smart, I would even assert that he play a role of picking his wedding date to coincide with 06 AE. I hardly doubt TH's father in law would object of postponing the wedding until the summer if taufik say he wanted to play the 06 AE. Tell me a better wedding gift than an AE title in 2006 (yes, TH got the asian game title in dec. but it's after the wedding).

** to back up my assertion that TH wasn't prepared for 05-07 AE (dismal 04 AE performance), and finds backdoor ways out to avoid them, here is cooler's theory. Historical data show that TH has the best chance of success in second half of each year; Aug. 04 OG, Aug 05 WC, Dec 06 AG. My crystal ball says TH party hard in dec, january, maybe even feb (chinese new year), leaving insufficient recovery time to compete in the annual AE in early March without looking like a first round player. If u r a betting man, my theory worth some coins to u:p

How could a great player skipped an important tournament like AE that 3 years in a row if he really wants it badly? If TH skipped AE 05-07 because he wasn't ready. I'm not sure that he will ever be ready.

Yes, an AE is what TH needs to complete his already impressive resume (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taufik_Hidayat).

darenong

07-26-2007, 02:01 AM

AE is larger than life for some ... i guess TH thinks badminton is second to him as his family and personal traits comes first .... TH won almost every competition ... has done so since he is a teenager and i guess he knows what needs to be done to win a tournament ... mentally n physically .. no use to force for it when ure not fully prepared ... especially mentally .....

robin7

07-26-2007, 02:39 AM

This is from indonesia report:
Taufik: Tunggu Si Junior, Lewatkan Kejuaraan Dunia http://www.badminton-indonesia.com/joomla/images/M_images/pdf_button.png (http://www.badminton-indonesia.com/joomla/index2.php?option=com_content&do_pdf=1&id=2262) http://www.badminton-indonesia.com/joomla/images/M_images/printButton.png (http://www.badminton-indonesia.com/joomla/index2.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2262&pop=1&page=0&Itemid=2) http://www.badminton-indonesia.com/joomla/images/M_images/emailButton.png (http://www.badminton-indonesia.com/joomla/index2.php?option=com_content&task=emailform&id=2262&itemid=2) Written by Dania Ciptadi Thursday, 26 July 2007 Atlit tunggal putra nomor sembilan dunia, Taufik Hidayat, memastikan bahwa dirinya tidak akan mengikuti Kejuaraan Dunia yang akan berlangsung tanggal 13-19 Agustus di Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia nanti. Kepastian itu disebutkannya karena dokter mengatakan bayinya akan lahir tanggal 9 Agustus, tetapi ada kemungkinan lebih cepat atau lambat 1-2 minggu.
“Prediksi lahirnya adalah 9 Agustus, tetapi dokter bilang bisa saja maju atau mundur sampai dua minggu. Makanya partisipasi saya di Kejuaraan Dunia masih menggantung,” terang Taufik pada saat berada di Singapura untuk mengikuti Singapura Super Series yang lalu.
Taufik menegaskan bahwa dia ingin menemani istrinya, Ami Gumelar, sampai anaknya lahir.
“Sekarang bagi saya keluarga adalah nomor satu, dan saya sudah tidak lagi ingin berada di garis depan kebulutangkisan lagi. Saya tidak akan ikut Kejuaraan Dunia kalau Ami belum melahirkan sampai saat Kejuaraan tersebut mulai," tandas Taufik. "Tetapi kalau anak saya lahir sebelum Kejuaraan Dunia, saya pasti akan ikut."
Presiden Badminton Asia Confederation (BAC), Sutiyoso, melihatnya dari sudut pandang yang berbeda.
"Sebagai pemain profesional, seharusnya ia tetap tampil. Kelahiran anak dapat dijadikan sebagai semangat dalam memenangi pertandingan tersebut," ujarnya usai menghadiri Annual General Meeting Badminton Asia Confederation di Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia, Minggu. "Jadikan kemenangan sebagai kado untuk anaknya yang akan lahir."
Penggemar Deg-degan
Ketidak pastian Taufik untuk ikut dalam Kejuaraan Dunia membuat penggemar bulutangkis di seluruh dunia pun deg-degan. Pasalnya, mereka ingin melihat pertarungan seru yang dipertontonkan oleh Taufik, yang banyak disebut sebagai Master Segala Teknik ini.
Bahkan tidak sedikit dari para penggemar bulutangkis ini memberi berbagai macam saran kepada Taufik-Amy agar Taufik dapat berlaga di Kejuaraan Dunia. Mereka menyarankan mulai dari caesar yang dapat diatur hari kelahirannya, sampai menyarankan agar si jabang bayi dilahirkan di Malaysia saja kalau memang masih belum lahir juga sebelum Kejuaraan Dunia.
Ami sendiri mengatakan bahwa dia ingin melahirkan secara normal.
Kejuaraan Dunia akan dilangsungkan di Stadium Putra, National Sports Complex, Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia pada tanggal 13-19 Agustus 2007. Channel Vision 1 dari stasiun TV kabel Indovision akan menayangkan turnamen ini secara langsung.
Last Updated ( Thursday, 26 July 2007 )
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Taufik: Expecting baby, skipping WC Written by Dania Ciptadi Thursday, 26 July 2007
MS world #9, Taufik Hidayat, confirmed that he won’t be joining WC which will be held at 13-19 August in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia. The confirmation is due to the fact that the doctor said the baby will be delivered on 9 August, but it could be 1-2 weeks earlier or later.
”Anticipation of the delivery is at 9 August, but doctor said it could be 2 weeks earlier or later. That’s why my participation in WC is still undecided,” explained Taufik during the last Singapore Super Series in Singapore.
Taufik stated that he wants to accompany his wife, Ami Gumelar, till the baby is born.
“At this moment, family is my priority #1, and I’m no longer in the frontline of badminton. I’m not taking part in WC if Ami hasn’t delivered before WC starts," Taufik said. "But if my baby is born before WC, I will surely go."
The President of Badminton Asia Confederation (BAC), Sutiyoso, has a different point of view.
"As a professional player, he should go ahead. The birth of the baby can be the motivation in winning the tournament," Sutiyoso said during the Annual General Meeting of Badminton Asia Confederation in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia. "Make the victory as a gift to his coming baby."
Wondering Fans
Undecision of Taufik on joining WC has kept badminton fans all over the world wondering. They want to see exciting matches from Taufik, where many said the Master of Technical.
Furthermore, some fans have given all sorts of suggestions to Taufik-Amy to enable Taufik to take part in WC. They suggested Caesarean Operation or to deliver the baby in Malaysia in case the baby is not born before WC.
Ami herself said that she prefers the natural way.
WC will be held in Putra Stadium, National Sports Complex, Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia at 13-19 August 2007. Channel Vision 1 from TV Station Indovision Cabel will live broadcast live.
Last Updated (Thursday, 26 July 2007)
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Note: I'm not an Indonesian but a Malaysian who had been working in JKT for many years. Not sure what "Deg-degan" means? Hope it helps.

pjswift

07-26-2007, 02:44 AM

Thanks Cooler for explaining...we talked about this on baddy court last night...just our surmising that PG gone because of age and declining ability, LCW gone as he was quoted that he will quit after OLY, LD gone because he has won them all only missing is OLY gold and if LD cannot win OLY08 there is slimmer than his waistline chance LD could be a force come OLY2012 (forget about winning anything, just making top 3 in CHN MS team in OLY2012 is tougher than heck), and as for TH same reason of age factor as LD and he has won them all too no desire to stick around and train so hard just for one 4-star AE event.
Actually, I am making fun of TH that if he wanna win AE, better play till all the 3 boys are gone after OLY08, as his chances are better...much better especially with LCW and LD gonzo, me being a bit sarcastic.
wah, getting a bit of the bananaboy disease, huh? why not, it's a refreshing change..but you always come across, first and foremost as a gentleman..

apontoh

07-26-2007, 02:52 AM

that article contains contradictory statements, what terrible journalism. First sentence says that it's CONFIRMED THAT TAUFIK WILL NOT JOIN WC, but there are NO source cited nor was there any quotes that support that statement. The quotes are all old and they basically say that taufik may or may not join depending on the date of birth of his kid. Maybe someone can email the reporter.

..after reading it, looks like it's somewhat a compilation of old news..But for some reason, the statement in the 1st paragraph, as translated, which says "Taufik himself is assured that he will definitely NOT COMPETE in the upcoming World Championships..." is different than the following paragraphs & quotes. In the following paragraphs, the quotes noted that his participation is still a possibility, depending whether his baby is due before or after the tournament. For some reason it has a slight hint of irony or mis-interpretation. So, what is the truth??..:confused:
Anyways, for a full translation, let's ask other BC members to help us out..indra, Krisna, huangkwokhau or others, mind helping us with the translation?? thx in advance..;):cool:

jasonmarc

07-26-2007, 03:07 AM

So,.....Why bother so much about it....if TH play...or not..the WC07 will be still interesting.....to watch...i mean we cant force him to ....if he has no intention to play....but sad to say so...Boonsak also not playing....in WC07...........

abedeng

07-26-2007, 04:27 AM

Hish, Boonsak not playing, CH not playing, WCH not playing, Taufik mebbe not playing. This is becoming a WC of non-starters.

ants

07-26-2007, 07:22 AM

If thats happen.. we may have a Lindan vs LCW clash in Finals.

HiddenPower

07-26-2007, 08:50 AM

To be honest, I don't think he can win against LCW or LD now. So might as well take a rest and skip this event.

I do want to see him play, his style is unique, too bad for all the fans.

ye333

07-26-2007, 09:52 AM

I totally agree with you about Taufik being not well-prepared for 05,06,07 AE. And if you compare his 04 AE performance with 04 Olympic performance, you see clear difference in power and agility. So I would say he is not well-prepared for 04 AE either.

Now, the fact that he is always not well-prepared for AE implies he is not that thirsty about an AE title. Isn't that simple to see? If, after winning 04 Olympics and 05 WC, he treats AE as the only remaining title to grab, what would he do? Unless TH is very weak-minded or stupid, he would sacrifice all other tournaments (if necessary) trying to peak during AE. (I think TH can be anything but weak-minded or stupid. This is arguable though)

But he did NOT do that. He did not do anything particular to help himself win AE. Instead, as you observed, he chose to peak in the latter half of every year. But he centainly knows in that case he will never win AE which is in the first half of every year, right? So how important is AE to him?

As the Chinese saying goes, "Do not only listen to what people say, look at what they do", in Taufik's case, although he constantly putting AE as his next goal, I simply do not believe him. Let's wait and see, I believe in 08 AE would be sacrificed again, unless he wants to give up his chance in Olympics.

Btw, I think you ppl are too sensitive. I am just analyzing, not defending. It's no secret that Taufik just chooses one tournament to fight every year (you can say that is not professional, but TH is professional? Give me a break), and note that in the past few years AE was never the chosen one.

Your theory is totally absurd. It's like if TH was a tennis pro and he diss the annual wimbledon as unimportant. :rolleyes: The reason TH avoided AE all these years is because he simply wasn't prepared or in shape**. Yes, TH is indeed smart, I would even assert that he play a role of picking his wedding date to coincide with 06 AE. I hardly doubt TH's father in law would object of postponing the wedding until the summer if taufik say he wanted to play the 06 AE. Tell me a better wedding gift than an AE title in 2006 (yes, TH got the asian game title in dec. but it's after the wedding).

** to back up my assertion that TH wasn't prepared for 05-07 AE (dismal 04 AE performance), and finds backdoor ways out to avoid them, here is cooler's theory. Historical data show that TH has the best chance of success in second half of each year; Aug. 04 OG, Aug 05 WC, Dec 06 AG. My crystal ball says TH party hard in dec, january, maybe even feb (chinese new year), leaving insufficient recovery time to compete in the annual AE in early March without looking like a first round player. If u r a betting man, my theory worth some coins to u:p

bananaboy

07-26-2007, 10:23 AM

wah, getting a bit of the bananaboy disease, huh? why not, it's a refreshing change..but you always come across, first and foremost as a gentleman..

The "bananaboy disease" make the forum much more interesting, instead of the usual "my country's player will win this and that, just because he is from my country, and my country boleh...:rolleyes:, or the typical double standard "Lin Dan plays under pressure in China(home), while LCW has home court advantage in Malaysia":rolleyes::confused:

Maybe, just not get infected 100% of it, or else the majority of people in this forum whom share the "patriotic diease" will hate you for it.;)

Or if you like to know what the bananaboy disease is like, just watch one of the judges in American Inventor Peter, he makes a lot of criticism but he is probably the one judge that has the most common sense, yet he is the most hated one by most of the audience and participants.

OneToughBirdie

07-26-2007, 11:23 AM

Well.. IF TH really a MAN then he shouldnt wait for both these 3 players to quit then only shoot for the AE title.. Without all this great guns.. Wining the AE will be meaningless !
Like I said, I am just making fun of TH that his chance of winning AE is enhanced w/o LCW and LD...I agree with you winning any tourneys w/o the top players present is not fulfiling and especially for the fans who pay to watch the event would be a downer. In high profile events, I always hope that LCW, LD and TH would make it to the SF, and while I like WCH, if I am paying to watch CO07, OLY or WC, I would wish to see either of LD-LCW-CJ-TH finals, not CJ vrs LD.

alohio12

07-26-2007, 11:36 AM

samuel882

07-26-2007, 11:39 AM

My Dream SF clash in any tournament will be
1) LD vs LCW

2)TH vs CH
All this players was at their peak form.. It will be a mouth-watering clash of the Titans..
Sadly.. It wont possible in this WC due to CH dropped by CHN & might be TH absents :confused::confused: :crying::crying:

cooler

07-26-2007, 12:31 PM

bic33

07-26-2007, 01:09 PM

cooler, you are again bashing taufik fans... let them be... lol :D

cooler

07-26-2007, 01:11 PM

cooler, you are again bashing taufik fans... let them be... lol :D

i dun bash TH fans particularly. I just want to 'help' them:)

wood_22_chuck

07-26-2007, 01:16 PM

Cooler-speak:

help == tenderise for bashing

-dave

ye333

07-26-2007, 01:18 PM

I don't understand why you keep saying like I am finding excuses for Taufik. :confused:

You example is not a good one since winning AE is a difficult task for Taufik. It's not like knowing the winning number and just fish out one buck to buy a ticket. If he really cares about AE (as he cares about 04 Olympics and 05 WC), he should train as hard and put other things aside. Obviously he didn't do that, he put AE aside to deal with many other things. So I say to TH AE is not as significant as Olympics and WC. Even after he already got one Olympics and one WC, I doubt to him 08 AE will be as important as 08 Olympics. (Of course there is a catch here. In the past Chn Masters ppl have seen what may happen in 08 Olympics. So there is possibility that TH will choose AE this time and just give up in the Olympics)

It's not "he didn't bother to train", it's he didn't bother to train as hard as he did for the Olympics and WC. I heard that TH trained much harder than usual before 04 Olympics, and I believe this is true because I indeed see a big difference in power, speed and agility between his 04 AE performance and 04 Olympics performance.

I think a better analogy/example is the following. Let's say some (fictitious) Mr. A told others that tomorrow's job interview is of vital importance to him. Then the whole day today he spends little time preparing for that interview but spends much time reading novels, having lunch with friends, exploring youtube, etc. And then he fails in that interview. Now, suppose Mr. A is not weak-minded, and is smart. Do you think he really cares much about the job interview?

So u r saying TH see AE title as insignifcant so he didnt bother to train up and go compete for it. That's so Bogus (sean penn). It's like saying i know the winning numbers of a lottery but the prize is too small so i didnt bother to buy a ticket. LOL

cooler

07-26-2007, 01:49 PM

I don't understand why you keep saying like I am finding excuses for Taufik. :confused:

You example is not a good one since winning AE is a difficult task for Taufik. It's not like knowing the winning number and just fish out one buck to buy a ticket. If he really cares about AE (as he cares about 04 Olympics and 05 WC), he should train as hard and put other things aside. Obviously he didn't do that, he put AE aside to deal with many other things. So I say to TH AE is not as significant as Olympics and WC. Even after he already got one Olympics and one WC, I doubt to him 08 AE will be as important as 08 Olympics. (Of course there is a catch here. In the past Chn Masters ppl have seen what may happen in 08 Olympics. So there is possibility that TH will choose AE this time and just give up in the Olympics)

It's not "he didn't bother to train", it's he didn't bother to train as hard as he did for the Olympics and WC. I heard that TH trained much harder than usual before 04 Olympics, and I believe this is true because I indeed see a big difference in power, speed and agility between his 04 AE performance and 04 Olympics performance.

I think a better analogy/example is the following. Let's say some (fictitious) Mr. A told others that tomorrow's job interview is of vital importance to him. Then the whole day today he spends little time preparing for that interview but spends much time reading novels, having lunch with friends, exploring youtube, etc. And then he fails in that interview. Now, suppose Mr. A is not weak-minded, and is smart. Do you think he really cares much about the job interview?

LOL, nice try. Too bad TH doesnt have stamina like his fans LOL

If TH is not weak minded, he should publicly declare that he don't wish to compete in AE tournaments, and not look for ways (quarrels with pbsi) to skip AE. This would help AE organizer too because pull outs by seeded players play havoc to their draws. What kind of fans are TH fans anyway that like to see their hero stay home and disappoint them in last moment pullouts?

cooler

07-26-2007, 01:56 PM

Cooler-speak:

help == tenderise for bashing

-dave

tenderizing == marinating

marinating make good things ... better:D

ye333

07-26-2007, 05:45 PM

ctjcad

07-26-2007, 06:12 PM

..as of now..:p
Here's the latest news from bulutangkis.com...According to the article, Taufik apparently is still training in Cipayung(National training center) and nothing has changed. Taufik even said he still hasn't mentioned anything about not participating in the WC...Anyone wants to help us with the translation?? i e. indra, Krisna, huangkwokhau & robin7?? thx in advance;):cool::
http://bulutangkis.com/mod.php?mod=publisher&op=viewarticle&artid=2501
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Kejuaraan Dunia 2007
Cipayung Kirim 20 Pemain
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JAKARTA - Indonesia gagal merebut satu gelar pun dari Kejuaraan Dunia 2006 di Madrid, Spanyol. Kegagalan itulah yang memantik tekad pelatnas PB PBSI di Cipayung untuk menebusnya pada Kejuaraan Dunia 2007 di Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia, 13-19 Agustus.

Dengan kriteria 64 pemain terbaik dunia yang bisa berlaga di kejuaraan dunia, pasukan Cipayung akan berkekuatan 20 pemain. Kuota yang ada itu akan dimaksimalkan oleh PB PBSI.

Hasil buruk tahun lalu tidak membuat tidak PB PBSI berkecil hati. Sebaliknya, otoritas olahraga tepok bulu tanah air itu yakin bisa meriah keuntungan dari predikat underdog. ''Predikat non unggulan akan membuat kita tanpil tanpa beban. Tengok saja pada Piala Sudirman lalu, kami hanya peringkat kelima nyatanya bisa mengalahkan negara-negara yang masuk daftar unggulan,'' kata Kasubid Pelatnas Christian Hadinata, kemarin di Cipayung.

Tunggal pria, akan kembali mengandalkan trio Taufik Hidayat, Sony Dwi Kuncoro, dan Simon Santoso. Terkait munculnya spekulasi bahwa Taufik enggan ikut serta, Kabid Binpres PB PBSI Lius Pongoh menampik adanya penolakan tersebut. ''Sampai kemarin saya masih berkomunikasi dengan Taufik. Tidak sedikit pun dia menyinggung penolakan keikutsertaan dalam Kejuaraan Dunia nanti. Bahkan, kemarin sore (Rabu) Taufik masih berlatih di sini (Cipayung, red),'' tutur Lius.

Kondisi Sony juga sudah mulai membaik setelah diterpa cedera punggung saat melakoni Filipina Open lalu. Dia memilih wolk over saat harus melawan Lee Chong Wei (Malaysia) di semifinal turnamen berhadiah total USD 120 ribu tersebut.

Saingan terberat di tunggal pria adalah Tiongkok yang akan mengandalkan juara bertahan Lin Dan, Bao Chunlai, dan Chen Jin. Plus tuan rumah Malaysia yang mengandalkan Lee Chong Wei dan Muhammad Hafiz Hasyim.

''Peringkat Taufik memang tidak stabil, tetapi pebulutangkis mana yang tidak takut dengan penampilannya. Bahkan, Lin Dan sebagai juara dunia pun akan waspada menghadapi Taufik,'' yakin Christian.

Maria Kristin Yulianti dan Adriyanti Firdasari menjadi andalan di tunggal wanita. Sedangkan pada nomor ganda terdapat Rani Mundiasti/Endang Nursugianti dan Jo Novita/Greysia Polii. Sektor wanita memang tidak diunggulkan, sebab di kelompok tersebut para pebulutangkis Tiongkok masih mendominasi.

Indonesia mampu merebut gelar juara ganda wanita pada Tiongkok Masters Super Series melalui Lilyana Natsir/Vita Marissa. Sayang, sebagai pasangan baru mereka belum mendapatkan rangking untuk berpartisipasi Kejuaraan Dunia. ''Jangan diremehkan, Jo/Greysia mampu melaju hingga semifinal Filipina Open. Mereka bisa membuat kejutan di kejuaraan dunia,'' pungkas Christian. (vem/jawapos.co.id)

ctjcad

07-26-2007, 06:15 PM

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Note: I'm not an Indonesian but a Malaysian who had been working in JKT for many years. Not sure what "Deg-degan" means? Hope it helps.
..with the translation, robin7;):cool:.."Deg-degan"" means "having a pounding heart"..:p;)

cooler

07-26-2007, 06:48 PM

Seems you don't understand what I mean by "weak/strong-minded", it is about self-discipline, not about telling ppl what you are really thinking.

Why do you think Taufik did not plan to participate 07 AE? Is there any evidence? He just thought AE is nor as important as quarreling with PBSI. Nothing more. If there is no quarreling, I believe he would have attended, like he attended Mas open.

Do you think LD should publicly declare he would not participate in 2007 Indonesian open? Remember he withdrew right before the tournament started.

I think in LD case, LYB didn't include LD in the team roster for the 07 IO. Therefore, technically, LD can't withdraw something when he isn't entered in the IO. In TH case, the PBSI did included TH in the team roster and were expecting him to show up.

As for your theory again that TH don't care much about the AE, at that time, many indonesian fans didn't see it that way.
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02-26-2007, 08:49 AM #7
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NO!!!
I bet Lin Dan is laughing now :P
I do hope he changes his mind, this protest is more of a disadvantage to him than the PBSI - he wants to win AE very badly from what i heard.--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
02-26-2007, 09:44 AM #11
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i can't see his practice effort wasted.... his 2 months of training all for nothing
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02-26-2007, 06:34 PM #27
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Taufik will go to AE

What....Taufik will cancel his participation in this year AE? Very unlikely...Man.
He is very determined to bring the AE thropy home ...He will be there surely!!!! He is very serious.
Rumors are NOT true!
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02-26-2007, 09:33 PM #37
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taufik retires from the tournament that he wants very badly to win... bad sign
i feel taufik will quit from pelatnas soon.
singapore, here he comes
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02-26-2007, 02:40 PM #22
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this is getting really old really fast...
Taufik is, like his fans love to say, unbeattable...
because he never participates
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Jerby sums it up nicely:D

ctjcad

07-26-2007, 06:59 PM

As for your theory again that TH don't care much about the AE, at that time, many indonesian fans didn't see it that way.
..thank goodness, cooler, you didn't include my comment(s) in there..:p:D;)

samuel882

07-26-2007, 07:57 PM

cooler

07-26-2007, 08:18 PM

Cooler vs ye3333..
This is not a "Court of justice" . Doesnt needs to digged out All the facts/figures here to debate endlessly please..
Furthermore.. The topic here is about "TH may miss the world meet". Therefore how / Why he miss AE is not a point to be discussed here
ye333 was looking for evidence and he got some.
dont worry. ye333 said he made his last comment and cooler had threw in his last shovel of dirts:p

Remember that u too had participated in this debate as well (on the losing side may i say) which explains why u like see it conveniently ended.
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Well.. IF he managed to win the AE.. Wich still not in his bag.. I fink he doesnt have any desire to achieve anything else ! Coz he already won everything BIG in his badminton carriers.

ye333

07-26-2007, 08:39 PM

Well, just want to remind you that LD did appear in all the draws (except for the last one) for 07 IO. And if you remember, everyone was talking about LD vs TH at that time. That "didn't include LD in the team roster" is LYB's excuse after the organizer blamed him for not telling them earlier. So either the organizer or LYB must be lying. :cool:

I am just trying to analyze TH's behavior in recent years. And "he does not care about AE as much as he claims" is my conclusion. I collect as many facts as possible, I use logic as rigorously as possible, and I draw a conclusion. I don't care whether Indonesian fans agree or not. Of course, I would re-consider if TH himself says my analysis is all wrong. :)

I think in LD case, LYB didn't include LD in the team roster for the 07 IO. Therefore, technically, LD can't withdraw something when he isn't entered in the IO. In TH case, the PBSI did included TH in the team roster and were expecting him to show up.

As for your theory again that TH don't care much about the AE, at that time, many indonesian fans didn't see it that way.
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02-26-2007, 08:49 AM #7
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NO!!!
I bet Lin Dan is laughing now :P
I do hope he changes his mind, this protest is more of a disadvantage to him than the PBSI - he wants to win AE very badly from what i heard.--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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i can't see his practice effort wasted.... his 2 months of training all for nothing
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Taufik will go to AE

What....Taufik will cancel his participation in this year AE? Very unlikely...Man.
He is very determined to bring the AE thropy home ...He will be there surely!!!! He is very serious.
Rumors are NOT true!
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taufik retires from the tournament that he wants very badly to win... bad sign
i feel taufik will quit from pelatnas soon.
singapore, here he comes
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this is getting really old really fast...
Taufik is, like his fans love to say, unbeattable...
because he never participates
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Jerby sums it up nicely:D

samuel882

07-26-2007, 08:43 PM

ye333 was looking for evidence and he got some.
dont worry. ye333 said he made his last comment and cooler had threw in his last shovel of dirts:p

Remember that u too had participated in this debate as well (on the losing side may i say) which explains why u like see it conveniently ended.
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Well.. IF he managed to win the AE.. Wich still not in his bag.. I fink he doesnt have any desire to achieve anything else ! Coz he already won everything BIG in his badminton carriers.
the fact is TH still havent won any AE title yet.. If u talking about facts.. there it is.. I dont see myself in the losing side..
I js post one reply for that topic. But have u ever count how many ur post in this thread here regarding TH and his AE?

cooler

07-26-2007, 08:55 PM

the fact is TH still havent won any AE title yet.. If u talking about facts.. there it is.. I dont see myself in the losing side..
I js post one reply for that topic. But have u ever count how many ur post in this thread here regarding TH and his AE?but i dun tell people what not to post tho:rolleyes:

mAlAn

07-26-2007, 11:32 PM

Hahahaha,.,. mate, whatever TH want to do , if he want to follow than he'll follow, if not then up to him. Don't too exaggregate simple probs though,. savvy. Aye,.,.

Poor TH,.

Go TH,. Go,.

Poor TH,.

bic33

07-27-2007, 04:15 AM

so much talking... just challenge LD and TH... if you(anyone here) win, come back in this thread and continue the debate (fight) :D

pjswift

07-27-2007, 09:31 AM

Your theory is totally absurd. It's like if TH was a tennis pro and he diss the annual wimbledon as unimportant. :rolleyes: The reason TH avoided AE all these years is because he simply wasn't prepared or in shape**. Yes, TH is indeed smart, I would even assert that he play a role of picking his wedding date to coincide with 06 AE. I hardly doubt TH's father in law would object of postponing the wedding until the summer if taufik say he wanted to play the 06 AE. Tell me a better wedding gift than an AE title in 2006 (yes, TH got the asian game title in dec. but it's after the wedding).

** to back up my assertion that TH wasn't prepared for 05-07 AE (dismal 04 AE performance), and finds backdoor ways out to avoid them, here is cooler's theory. Historical data show that TH has the best chance of success in second half of each year; Aug. 04 OG, Aug 05 WC, Dec 06 AG. My crystal ball says TH party hard in dec, january, maybe even feb (chinese new year), leaving insufficient recovery time to compete in the annual AE in early March without looking like a first round player. If u r a betting man, my theory worth some coins to u:p
How can you compare Wimbledon with AE? What's Wimbledon's prize money vs Masters? A few times more. What's AE's prize money compared to other SS? About the most stingy. Would have been peanut shells if BWF have not launched the SS.

pjswift

07-27-2007, 09:40 AM

The "bananaboy disease" make the forum much more interesting, instead of the usual "my country's player will win this and that, just because he is from my country, and my country boleh...:rolleyes:, or the typical double standard "Lin Dan plays under pressure in China(home), while LCW has home court advantage in Malaysia":rolleyes::confused:

Maybe, just not get infected 100% of it, or else the majority of people in this forum whom share the "patriotic diease" will hate you for it.;)

Or if you like to know what the bananaboy disease is like, just watch one of the judges in American Inventor Peter, he makes a lot of criticism but he is probably the one judge that has the most common sense, yet he is the most hated one by most of the audience and participants.
Glad you take it as a compliment since it's implied as a 'refreshing change.' How about finding a way to infect at a faster rate than the 'patriotic disease' for balance?

wilfredlgf

07-27-2007, 10:01 AM

Rather than 'patriotic disease', why not use 'biased' instead? The former sounded like supporting your country could be detrimental to the evolution of humankind or something.

pjswift

07-27-2007, 10:04 AM

cooler

07-27-2007, 10:39 AM

How can you compare Wimbledon with AE? What's Wimbledon's prize money vs Masters? A few times more. What's AE's prize money compared to other SS? About the most stingy. Would have been peanut shells if BWF have not launched the SS.It is the prestige of owning a title from a country where both sports were first founded. :rolleyes:

Techncially, WC, OG, asian games, sudirman cup have no prize money either so why TH fans keep bragging about TH success in OG and AG:confused::rolleyes:

cooler

07-27-2007, 10:47 AM

[quote=cooler;623419]I think in LD case, LYB didn't include LD in the team roster for the 07 IO. Therefore, technically, LD can't withdraw something when he isn't entered in the IO. In TH case, the PBSI did included TH in the team roster and were expecting him to show up.
Your research has always been good but maybe it's time to have a research assistant.LD , if I'm correct, has never played in IO , so when he decided to in IO07, the news was so big,LYB must be technically senile not to point out the error to the organisers if LYB had not included LD for IO07. And not just LD; CY as well? Remember they had to cut short the trip after LD was tripped and ego-busted by the Thai ace ,Boonsak? Bet they couldn't find any BP videos to analyse back at the ranch.And it's futile to do video homework on BP. Every match he plays, he makes the previous video homework obsolete. That's why CJ lost faster to BP the second time they met in CM07 ,after TO07.

fyi, LD is just a soldier, he doesnt make decision to go or stay home. LYB makes all the call. U may call it an excuse but LYB likely want to rest up LD from injury during IO**. Also, BP beaten a semi-injured LD. Same goes for simon santoso beating LD, and LCW beating LD at sudirman(post recovery) too. Dont get too excited (and wet your pants:p).

** since little boy bcl can beat TH, why should LYB test his big gun in IO?

huangkwokhau

07-27-2007, 11:21 AM

[quote=pjswift;623785]

fyi, LD is just a soldier, he doesnt make decision to go or stay home. LYB makes all the call. U may call it an excuse but LYB likely want to rest up LD from injury during IO**. Also, BP beaten a semi-injured LD. Same goes for simon santoso beating LD, and LCW beating LD at sudirman(post recovery) too. Dont get too excited (and wet your pants:p).

** since little boy bcl can beat TH, why should LYB test his big gun in IO?

Cooler...LD was not injured at all in SO...pls see his blog ( at badzine) after returning to China...he said that it was too many good players to compete in IO.

Lost is a lost...no excuses....plus LD is not superman...anyone can beat him.:cool:

bananaboy

07-27-2007, 11:48 AM

Glad you take it as a compliment since it's implied as a 'refreshing change.' How about finding a way to infect at a faster rate than the 'patriotic disease' for balance?

It's very difficult since most people here in the tournament forum are not looking at a player as a "player" but can only see the flag on his/her shirt:crying:... eg. when it comes to the best doubles player, a neutral fan may think of Kim Dong Moon(spelling), or some other Korean players, but believe me... if I were to start a thread asking the same question, we will have over 99% of Malaysians(I am picking on them, but just as an example:p) saying is KKK/TBH, even though they haven't done enough to even be consider one of the best in history.:confused:

Actually, why don't you give me some idea on how to infect the "bananaboy disease" faster, so at least the forum is more interesting... :D

cooler

07-27-2007, 11:50 AM

[quote=cooler;623808]

Cooler...LD was not injured at all in SO...pls see his blog ( at badzine) after returning to China...he said that it was too many good players to compete in IO.

Lost is a lost...no excuses....plus LD is not superman...anyone can beat him.:cool:
no, he isn't superman, he's superdan:p

huangkwokhau

07-27-2007, 11:55 AM

[quote=huangkwokhau;623822]
no, he isn't superman, he's superdan:p
:D:D...you are crazy.....:D:D

cooler

07-27-2007, 11:57 AM

[quote=cooler;623837]
:D:D...you are crazy.....:D:D u r going OT :rolleyes:

Han

07-27-2007, 01:52 PM

ctjcad

07-27-2007, 01:58 PM

:)..all of those players' fans/supporters, Han..haha:p:D;)..
Hmm, maybe your post should be a starting post of a thread on its own, and we can discuss in that thread, since we are basically kiiling some time before the WC starts..:p

2cents

07-27-2007, 02:06 PM

2cents

07-27-2007, 02:08 PM

What make Taufik famous is that he just won a OG, a WC and 5 or 6 Indonesia open which Lin Dan claimed not interested in.

bananaboy

07-27-2007, 02:19 PM

By now, it's pretty clear that everyone has his favorite player and will go all the way out to defend his idol when come under attack. That's perfectly normal!
Here are are some of the excuses if these players lose in the WC :
Lee Chong Wei : Pressure is too great, threatening by LYB, ...
Taufik Hidayat : Already won one before, not important. Can't concentrate due to newly born or to be born baby, ...
Lin Dan : Target is Olympic, can't win all the time, ...
Peter Gade : Can't catchup with the speed(at least he is honest), ...
Boa Chunlai : I don't expect to win, ...

You are missing a few here, let me add it on for you.

Lee Chong Wei: Original from X Ball, "insert name" didn't beat LCW, LCW lost to himself...
KKK/TBH: They are still young, inexperience. Rexy not there in the stadium...
Anybody against Malaysian(s): The crowd is completely one-sided, line judges' bad calls...
"IF" China doesn't take MS: Well... you're lucky that Chen Hong can't make it.

Don't forget the universal excuse: THE DRAFT!!! THE SHUTTLE SPEED!!!:p

huangkwokhau

07-27-2007, 04:32 PM

all right...I think it is enough about TH....lets close this thread!!

bananaboy

07-27-2007, 05:05 PM

all right...I think it is enough about TH....lets close this thread!!

What is the reason for closing this thread? Name one violation of the rule and why the thread should be closed???

Funny thing is most members in the BC forum can't take the heat when things go against their ideal, and want to close a thread even without any aggressive posts or any violation of the forum's rules.:rolleyes: However, as soon as a group of people share the same ideas, more and more people just come in and just post the usual "agree" posts.:rolleyes:

huangkwokhau

07-27-2007, 06:24 PM

What is the reason for closing this thread? Name one violation of the rule and why the thread should be closed???

Funny thing is most members in the BC forum can't take the heat when things go against their ideal, and want to close a thread even without any aggressive posts or any violation of the forum's rules.:rolleyes: However, as soon as a group of people share the same ideas, more and more people just come in and just post the usual "agree" posts.:rolleyes:

No..noone violates the rules.....it just became too ridiculous....lets move on...thats my opinion!!

samuel882

07-27-2007, 07:08 PM

No..noone violates the rules.....it just became too ridiculous....lets move on...thats my opinion!!
Totally agree with u .. Hauge .. I fink its the time to stop debating TH here as there is uncertainty of his inclusion in WC.. Until we confirmed he is coming or not then only we start ti air our opinions here is never be too late ;)

taufik-ist

07-27-2007, 09:36 PM

What make Taufik famous is that he just won a OG, a WC and 5 or 6 Indonesia open which Lin Dan claimed not interested in.

lindan's not interested in olympic,Asian game and WC (before becoming anually) ??? :p :p WTF :D

yes...TH chooses the tournament :D :D :D..

like duel.. Th chooses the place and often beats LD :p

were you born after year 2000 ? , seems you don't know TH at all:D, TH has been a famous flamboyan player since 1998, in his first appearance (17 year old) he defeated Chen hong in the final of brunei open 1998

sayakeren

07-27-2007, 10:18 PM

guys, guys, guys. there is CERTAINTY whether taufik is going to wc or not. He is CERTAINLY going to the wc if his baby is delivered before the wc. if not, he said it will be MOST CERTAINLY he will miss the wc. see below for news translated to English, from Antara:

Juara bulutangkis dunia 2005, Taufik Hidayat, ingin kembali meraih gelar yang sama tahun ini saat Kejuaraan Dunia segera digelar di Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia, pada 13-19 Agustus 2007. "Tahun 2005 saya juara namun tahun lalu prestasi saya kurang bagus, maka 2007 ini inginnya juara lagi karena 2008 tidak ada Kejuaraan Dunia," ujar Taufik di sela-sela latihan di Pelatnas Cipayung, Jakarta Timur, Jumat. Dalam Kejuaraan Dunia 2006, Taufik hanya sampai di 16 besar, kalah dari pemain China Chen Hong.

2005 World Champion Winner Taufik Hidayat is eager to grab the same title this year. "i was the 2005's winner but I played rather badly last year. That's why I want to win the title this year because 2008 will not have World Championship," Taufik explained during his training session at Cipayung, Friday. In last year's World Championship Taufik could only manage to break the 1/16; he lost to the Chinese Chen Hong.

Pebulutangkis peringkat 10 dunia itu mengatakan bahwa selama ini ia melakukan persiapan untuk menghadapi event tersebut, meskipun secara mental agak terganggu dengan persiapan istrinya melahirkan.

This world's number 10 stated that he has been putting a lot of efforts to prepare himself for the event, despite his worry about his expecting wife.

"Saya memang mempersiapkan diri untuk kejuaraan dunia, tetapi mental agak terganggu, khawatir istri," ujar Taufik yang istrinya, Ami Gumelar sedang mengandung sembilan bulan.

"I prepare myself for the World Championship, but my mentality is rather unstable, worrying about my wife," admitted Taufik whose wife, Ami Gumelar is currently on 9-month pregnancy.

Atas pertimbangan istri yang akan segera melahirkan itulah sampai saat ini ia belum dapat memastikan apakah akan ambil bagian dalam event tersebut meskipun ia tetap mendaftarkan diri.

As his wife is about to deliver the baby, until now he can not decide yet whether he will participate in the event, although his name is registered.

"Ingin sih ingin ke kejuaraan Dunia, tetapi kelahiran anak adalah berkah bagi saya dan saya ingin menunggui istri melahirkan," kata menantu mantan ketua umum KONI Pusat Agum Gumelar itu.

"I really want to join in the event, but to have a child is a blessing for me and that's why I want to be by my wife's side when she delivers."

"Kejuaraan dunia ada setiap tahun, sementara punya anak kan belum tentu," tambah juara Asian Games 2006 yang akan berangkat ke Kuala Lumpur jika anaknya lahir sebelum event tersebut berlangsung. "Berangkat juga percuma kalau pikiran tidak tenang (karena istri belum melahirkan)."

"World Championship is there every year, but a child is not," the 2006 Asian Games winner stated. He added that he will definitely fly to Kuala Lumpur should the child is delivered before the event starts. "It will be useless if I go but can't concentrate well (because the baby has not yet delivered)."

Meski demikian, Taufik menilai Kejuaraan Dunia sekarang kurang bergengsi setelah sejak 2005 diselenggarakan setiap tahun, tidak dua tahun sekali seperti dulu atau empat tahun sekali seperti Olimpiade.

Taufik commented that the Championship has lost its prestige after it is being held annually since 2005. Previously it was held biannually.

"Jadi kalaupun tidak ikut sekarang tidak perlu menunggu lama bisa langsung ikut tahun berikutnya. Namun karena tahun depan tidak diselenggarakan --karena ada Olimpiade-- saya inginnya menang tahun ini," jelas Taufik.

"So if I can't join this year's Championship, I don't have to wait for long to join in the next event. But since next year we have the Olympics and, thus, no World Championship, I really want to win it this year," Taufik affirmed.

CLELY

07-28-2007, 12:20 AM

From above Antara's sportnews, it's still dilemma for TH. He wants eagerly to grab WC title again but interrupted by personal interest. Don't think so his preparation is 100% for one of bdm big event this year.

He determined to win it in this year because probably KL WC will become his last World Championship?! INA squad will fly to KL on Saturday, 11 August 2007. And TH's new baby estimated will born on 09th August. So, be patient for all bdm lovers especially TH diehard fans to know what's TH decision, yeah the baby is the key factor.

ctjcad

07-28-2007, 12:49 AM

He determined to win it in this year because probably KL WC will become his last World Championship?! INA squad will fly to KL on Saturday, 11 August 2007. And TH's new baby estimated will born on 09th August. So, be patient for all bdm lovers especially TH diehard fans to know what's TH decision, yeah the baby is the key factor.
..Taufik can still fly to KL and join his squad there, even if the squad leaves on the 11th..The flight & logistics is also in favor of Taufik...Yes, the key is as long as the birth of his child comes before his first match, i think there's still a chance...But boy, you are right, it's indeed a dilemma for Taufik..:p

*Btw, thanks for sharing & translating the article for us, sayakeren..:cool:

Torres

07-28-2007, 01:42 AM

If anyone, including Taufik himself, claims no interest in All England, so never win there, then please note that Taufik has NEVER won any open tournaments in Europe. That's a simple fact. Considering that, is Taufik not interested in any open tournaments in Europe?

Yes, even Jawa Pos (the second largest newspaper in Indonesia) critize Taufik, by saying the Indonesian never success in Europe, and TH declare to win trophies from Europe. So, it is clear that he has an interest to win in Europe. No doubt.

Torres

07-28-2007, 02:00 AM

How can you compare Wimbledon with AE? What's Wimbledon's prize money vs Masters? A few times more. What's AE's prize money compared to other SS? About the most stingy. Would have been peanut shells if BWF have not launched the SS.

Do you forgot the Papua's incident? TH refuse to play in AE 07, coz he wants PBSI to punish his team-mates (Kido, Hendra, and etc), whom are going to Papua in December 06, just after AG 06. The Pelatnas Squad receives 50 millions rupiah (approximately US$ 5,000) as an appearances fee. For Taufik, if he comes, he will receive US$ 7,000.

US$ 7,000 isn't a big amount of money. The MS winner in Super Series tournament (includes AE) will receive more than US$ 12,000. Isn't it interested for TH?

taufik-ist

07-28-2007, 02:22 AM

Do you forgot the Papua's incident? TH refuse to play in AE 07, coz he wants PBSI to punish his team-mates (Kido, Hendra, and etc), whom are going to Papua in December 06, just after AG 06. The Pelatnas Squad receives 50 millions rupiah (approximately US$ 5,000) as an appearances fee. For Taufik, if he comes, he will receive US$ 7,000.

US$ 7,000 isn't a big amount of money. The MS winner in Super Series tournament (includes AE) will receive more than US$ 12,000. Isn't it interested for TH?

i'm sure he is, but not to be his main priority :D, he's rich enough now :D

Torres

07-28-2007, 02:47 AM

i'm sure he is, but not to be his main priority :D, he's rich enough now :D

He is rich since he was married with Amy in Feb 06. Papua's incident was happened in Dec 06, but still he want it badly to go to Papua, to gets US$ 7,000.

taufik-ist

07-28-2007, 07:07 AM

He is rich since he was married with Amy in Feb 06. Papua's incident was happened in Dec 06, but still he want it badly to go to Papua, to gets US$ 7,000.

he's been rich before. remember after his winning of olympic 2004, he was awarded with much money and a luxurious house :D and got awarded again after winning WC 2005 and asian games 2006, he also got the money from winning some other tournaments (he won Ina open 6 times :) ) and also from sponsors (yonex).

offcourse.. he becomes richer after marrying amy :D :D:p

Torres

07-31-2007, 04:20 AM

he's been rich before. remember after his winning of olympic 2004, he was awarded with much money and a luxurious house :D and got awarded again after winning WC 2005 and asian games 2006, he also got the money from winning some other tournaments (he won Ina open 6 times :) ) and also from sponsors (yonex).

offcourse.. he becomes richer after marrying amy :D :D:p

It seems that you don't understand what I mean.
According to you, US$ 7,000 is nothing for Taufik, and he is not interested about it. But, his "gestures" shows that he really want it. Read again the article. Your opinion is different with the facts.

jimbo

07-31-2007, 04:50 AM

Much have been said about the monetary rewards vs the prestige (WC or Olympics or AE), I strongly believe that both are equally important. However, money alone will not produce world champion. He/She needs the hunger for glory and success, with the discipline and determination.

I believe TH is a very rich man, and I also believe that he is not playing for $$$ anymore. It's the glory and honour to win for country. If, big IF, I could win Olympics Gold in MS, I wouldnt trade with $1m coz $$$ will come along if u run ur own biz (related to sports). If I'm not mistaken, Alan Budi Kusuma and his wife Susi Susanti are very rich after winning the Olym Gold and run their own sport company (pls correct me if I'm wrong).

Anyway, my idol Taufik will win WC... :D and that's the bottom line :p (a bit biased here, sowee... )

Torres

07-31-2007, 05:30 AM

taufik-ist

07-31-2007, 07:59 AM

As an Olympic champion, Taufik isn't satisfied with the amount of money that he receives. He said that, if he is a foreign player, he can receives higher amount of money. He is rich, but it isn't enough for him.

you talked nonsense, bro
taufik never said that :p

if he lived in USA, he were not rich enough :p

samuel882

07-31-2007, 08:59 AM

huangkwokhau

07-31-2007, 09:02 AM

The real fact is :WHO DOESNT NEEDS $$$$. AND WHO WILL SATISFY WITH IT?? IF TH migrates to play badminton in .. said USA. Really wonder he will get any sponsor there. As far as we concern. There is nO PRO league for badminton there. Even as a PRO. There amount of $$ he earn is will be 10 times less than any of PRO Tennis players in any part of the world. Even a tennis PRO rank 300 below in the WR will earn higher than TH. That's the fact..

Actually for Tennis players...who rank inside top 150 for Men and top 100 for women..then they can make the living...

For US, badminton is still tough...TH is better off in Asia..there is a significant growth in US for Badminton but still far away to attract TV or corporate sponsors...hopefully it will happen in US soon before I die.....:(:(:(

huangkwokhau

07-31-2007, 09:03 AM

As an Olympic champion, Taufik isn't satisfied with the amount of money that he receives. He said that, if he is a foreign player, he can receives higher amount of money. He is rich, but it isn't enough for him.
Even Budi hartono ( Boss of Jarum) still wants to be richer.....:D:D trust me..no one is satisfied with their wealth ....

samuel882

07-31-2007, 09:13 AM

Actually for Tennis players...who rank inside top 150 for Men and top 100 for women..then they can make the living...

For US, badminton is still tough...TH is better off in Asia..there is a significant growth in US for Badminton but still far away to attract TV or corporate sponsors...hopefully it will happen in US soon before I die.....:(:(:(

Hopes u will get your wish.. But Badminton still needs more time to growth in USA.. Even after Howard/Tony win the gold for them at MD , there is still lack of response to this sports. Badminton there mainly play by the ASIAN migrants. The US origin peoples will prefer to play Baseball. Basketball, American Football etc..
They will not be rich & fame in their homeland USA iF they are world no. 1 in badminton compare with all those PRO NBA / Tennis great....

Torres

08-01-2007, 11:40 PM

you talked nonsense, bro
taufik never said that :p

if he lived in USA, he were not rich enough :p

I live in Ina, read an Ina's newspapers (Kompas, Jawa Pos, and Bola). Maybe you never read it, but it doesn't mean it is nonsense.

Torres

08-01-2007, 11:51 PM

The real fact is :WHO DOESNT NEEDS $$$$. AND WHO WILL SATISFY WITH IT?? IF TH migrates to play badminton in .. said USA. Really wonder he will get any sponsor there. As far as we concern. There is nO PRO league for badminton there. Even as a PRO. There amount of $$ he earn is will be 10 times less than any of PRO Tennis players in any part of the world. Even a tennis PRO rank 300 below in the WR will earn higher than TH. That's the fact..

Tony Gunawan receives approximately 1 billion rupiah (US$ 10,000) per month. TH only receives about US$ 20,000 (US$ 10,000 plus any other fixed assets) for his Olympics gold medal.

Tony can represent Ina in every international tourneys, if PBSI can offered the same amount of money. Isn't it higher for TH?

Torres

08-01-2007, 11:55 PM

you talked nonsense, bro
taufik never said that :p

if he lived in USA, he were not rich enough :p

Tony Gunawan is a good example. He receives more than TH.

TH wants to move to S'pore in 2001. Why he wants to move? Looking for a S'porean girl? or higher income?

OneToughBirdie

08-02-2007, 12:30 AM

Tony Gunawan is a good example. He receives more than TH.

TH wants to move to S'pore in 2001. Why he wants to move? Looking for a S'porean girl? or higher income?

2 spore girls and higher income....hahaha!!!LOL!!:D

darenong

08-02-2007, 12:33 AM

2 spore girls and higher income....hahaha!!!LOL!!:D

wakakkakaa tats a good one ... but it is said that TH got good rapport with KLRC .... so its very highly he will come to malaysia and stay here for good .. woohooo .... thats good for badminton single in malaysia ... once lcw learns how to beat th then there isnt any more problem dy ... wkakakakkaka

taufik-ist

08-02-2007, 06:24 AM

Even Budi hartono ( Boss of Jarum) still wants to be richer.....:D:D trust me..no one is satisfied with their wealth ....

he's the richest indonesian ( $ 4 billions) :D

taufik-ist

08-02-2007, 06:25 AM

Even Budi hartono ( Boss of Jarum) still wants to be richer.....:D:D trust me..no one is satisfied with their wealth ....

he's the richest indonesian ( $ 4 billions) :D, and still producing cigarretes for a living :D :D

taufik-ist

08-02-2007, 06:29 AM

Tony Gunawan is a good example. He receives more than TH.

TH wants to move to S'pore in 2001. Why he wants to move? Looking for a S'porean girl? or higher income?

search before you post or always read sportnewspaper

you always talk nonsense... bicara ngawur tanpa fakta.. :p
Taufik had a conflict with PBSI official at that time, bro...

taufik-ist

08-02-2007, 06:30 AM

huangkwokhau

08-02-2007, 10:51 AM

Tony Gunawan receives approximately 1 billion rupiah (US$ 10,000) per month. TH only receives about US$ 20,000 (US$ 10,000 plus any other fixed assets) for his Olympics gold medal.

Tony can represent Ina in every international tourneys, if PBSI can offered the same amount of money. Isn't it higher for TH?

Hey Torres..1 billion rupiahs is about US$ 115000, not US$ 10000....
Anyway..Tony just bought his house last eyar I think in California....

taufik-ist

08-02-2007, 12:03 PM

@Torres
it seems you're not indonesian :) and you don't know at all about indonesia badminton :)
tony 'moved' to USA, becos he wanted to study economic ,not becos of money thing... he will be back to indonesia after his graduation...

if the money thing is a main thing.. i'm sure all indonesian players will move to USA :)

are u TH manager ? do you know TH's finance :)

Th received many unofficial rewards...

ye333

08-02-2007, 12:35 PM

I don't think TH really cares about the $7000. I think what he cares about is whether ppl treat him like Mr. VIP.

@Torres
it seems you're not indonesian :) and you don't know at all about indonesia badminton :)
tony 'moved' to USA, becos he wanted to study economic ,not becos of money thing... he will be back to indonesia after his graduation...

if the money thing is a main thing.. i'm sure all indonesian players will move to USA :)

are u TH manager ? do you know TH's finance :)

Th received many unofficial rewards...

cooler

08-02-2007, 02:49 PM

I don't think TH really cares about the $7000. I think what he cares about is whether ppl treat him like Mr. VIP.who doesn't like money? In TH case, he also like being flamboyant too which usually correlates to money and lotta hens as well:p
http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=39570&highlight=zodiac

huangkwokhau

08-02-2007, 02:51 PM

who doesn't like money? In TH case, he also like fame too which usually correlates to money as well:p
http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=39570&highlight=zodiac

Hm..I like money and Fame...move away everybody...Hou Ge is coming....red carpet..please!!!:D:D

USAfan

08-02-2007, 03:05 PM

TH is coming to the WC 2007, money or no money, he is going to win tis tournament for his unborn child. Must be great to know that its not always about money !!!!!!

ye333

08-02-2007, 03:42 PM

I don't think our remarks are contradictory here...

who doesn't like money? In TH case, he also like being flamboyant too which usually correlates to money and lotta hens as well:p
http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=39570&highlight=zodiac

ctjcad

08-02-2007, 04:15 PM

Tony Gunawan receives approximately 1 billion rupiah (US$ 10,000) per month. TH only receives about US$ 20,000 (US$ 10,000 plus any other fixed assets) for his Olympics gold medal.
..(from a close source) i heard Tony is not coaching/working full time for OCBC/USAB anymore, as of now; considering also all the SS travels he has to go through. I believe he is just working as a consultant for OCBC/USAB. Is he getting or did he get US $10,000/month?? That i can not confirm.;)
@Torres
it seems you're not indonesian :) and you don't know at all about indonesia badminton :)
tony 'moved' to USA, becos he wanted to study economic ,not becos of money thing... he will be back to indonesia after his graduation...
..(from a close source) actually Tony came and studied at Devry but as of now he hasn't finished his study. He did work part time for several months for an computer/electronic company?, but is no longer working. He's now basically playing full-time again while doing some consultant work for OCBC/USAB..
Hey Torres..1 billion rupiahs is about US$ 115000, not US$ 10000....
Anyway..Tony just bought his house last eyar I think in California....
..can be found here:
http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=33672 (post #39)