Indonesia Open 2007 - 12 May, Semifinals

[volcom]

The only unknown factor is really how well prepared is Chen Hong... since leaving CHN national team, his performance had been affected somewhat. If Chen Hong is still at his tip-top form like during the late 2006, there is no chance LCW can win tomorrow. However, tomorrow's match is still somewhat unpredictable between the two. It sort of depends on who will perform "WORSE" under all circumstances. By which I mean:

1. Will Chen Hong's recent lack of "QUALITY" training affect his performance more?
OR
2. Will LCW's recent downhill performance continue? Note: Beating KBH and Kendrick earlier does not mean he's back... and beating Simon in a 3 setter is not as convincing as some people claim to be. Well, at least he can say he has reached a semi-final this year...:p


Bao may or may not suffer the "Gade" curse tomorrow... from history, a lot of times the person whom defeated Gade, would most likely lose his next match... eg. Lin Dan at WC 05 final, John Moody at AE 07, Chen Hong at WC 06, Chen Yu at Denmark open 06 + Singapore 07. Of course, there were exceptions, but the "Gade" curse is quite dangerous!!!:eek:

It was that Dicky dood that beat Gade AE07

[ctjcad]

Alright, i think i'm done for the night also...time for some needed zzzzz:p:)
Good night everyone and enjoy the rest of the matches!!...It's been a fun and entertaining few hrs!!;):cool:

[felix929]

LOL
i told you today is upset day!

[avieee]

WD now,cai/fu won

[alfa-2]

Alright, i think i'm done for the night also...time for some needed zzzzz:p:)
Good night everyone and enjoy the rest of the matches!!...It's been a fun and entertaining few hrs!!;):cool:

c u tomoro at the final episode of LOTR 4 The Return of The Hobbits.......hahahaha........:D:D:D:D:D

[alfa-2]

LOL
i told you today is upset day!

not really an upset day as most of the winners like BCL, CY/FHF has higher ranking, but rather a suprised semi final...............

[alfa-2]

by the way aint BCL the top seed of the tournament?

[ants]

Cai/Fu always have fear in playing the Malaysians. However based on their win against KKK/TBH and LWW/CTF.. this definately give them confidence. Zakry/Tazari is still new and Fu/Cai might have problem adapting to their game. I would however give the chinese the upperhand but it will not be easy as the Malaysian will give their best in their 1st ever SuperSeries Final.

[spchu]

I think I should watch with my friend tomorrow. he told me Taufik surely would win when he was against Bao Chun Lai but I thought otherwise and hope Bao wins and he did and then he told me surely the experienced pair would beat our young Malaysian pairs and again the table got turned so tomorrow hopefully he will predict the Chinese to win....;)

[Darien]

we are not sure about that as you have suggested earlier that they will lose to the old combo, right? who knows the hobbits will use the "ring" again tomoro?? :D:D:D:D

what i meant was F/Z MIGHT keep winning at this moment. but that winning streak wont be long. tomorrow DEFINATELY they'll go down to FHF/CY.

in my opinion, they just got lucky to win the semi-final match. most of the points (especially from the 3rd game) come from TG/CW's unforced errors.

[Tjun Tjun]

Luckily we have Natsir & Co playing mixed doubles tomorrow, otherwise we'll have empty stadium tomorrow.....today we didn't have a big crowd in the stadium...

[spchu]

So mixed doubles could be the last match tomorrow right?

[Tjun Tjun]

Cai/Fu have the edge tomorrow... after all they're the world champions.... but I'm hoping for a big, big upset..... Go Fairuz! Go Zakry!

[ctjcad]

I discover one thing that is Tony/Chandra can't win if they are drag by the opponent to the rubber game..
..hmm, if you check their record this yr, i believe all of their losses, so far, have been in 3 sets...So close yet so near...wait, that's not correct..It should be "So close yet so far"..:p :D ;)

and to add salt to wound, there's no Indonesian Men in the Finals tomorrow. I wonder if the stadium could be quite empty...tomorrow's finals
...haha, yeah...EMBARRASSING, isn't it??:o...Only the XD pair to show for & they'll probably get trounced...It shows how bad the badminton scene in INA has become..:p

where has everyone left??? so fast???
...Elvis/Taufik has left the building....Tony coming back home to Orange & OCBC..:D ;)

[Titan]

nobody expect fairuz and zakry to win today but they won...same thing nobody expect them to win tomorrow....but.....

[Jessica]

what i meant was F/Z MIGHT keep winning at this moment. but that winning streak wont be long. tomorrow DEFINATELY they'll go down to FHF/CY.

in my opinion, they just got lucky to win the semi-final match. most of the points (especially from the 3rd game) come from TG/CW's unforced errors.Hey..Win is win and lose means lose.This is a fact they win today and we can't predict what will happen tomorrow.If your lucky talk goes in the badminton world,so everyone is only depends on luck to beat other players.

[alfa-2]

this is 3rd tournament only after they are being paired up, right?

[vching]

what i meant was F/Z MIGHT keep winning at this moment. but that winning streak wont be long. tomorrow DEFINATELY they'll go down to FHF/CY.

in my opinion, they just got lucky to win the semi-final match. most of the points (especially from the 3rd game) come from TG/CW's unforced errors.

definitely being unfair here - the malaysian pair played well, they were not just 'lucky'

[Tjun Tjun]

One thing I noticed today is that the spectators were not that noisy ..... well not like in previous years where you could feel the stadium erupting..... I watched this morning's NBA game between Golden State Warriors and Utah and the noise reached 100+ decibels!

[LI De Quan]

nobody expect fairuz and zakry to win today but they won...same thing nobody expect them to win tomorrow....but.....

no , I hope fairuz/zakry win 2morow ,:cool: :D

[avieee]

Chn:eng 21:15 3:0

[alfa-2]

I think I should watch with my friend tomorrow. he told me Taufik surely would win when he was against Bao Chun Lai but I thought otherwise and hope Bao wins and he did and then he told me surely the experienced pair would beat our young Malaysian pairs and again the table got turned so tomorrow hopefully he will predict the Chinese to win....;)

nice one spchu......i think almost everyone has predicted the same thing......

[noise]

no , I hope fairuz/zakry win 2morow ,:cool: :D

haha...i hope that your dream will come true...
but anyway, fu/cai really have improved alot on their weaknesses...they have become a better pair...
Malaysians' dream of winning olympic gold medal could not be reached if our pairs do not improve from now..

[alfa-2]

i really hope that MAS will bring back 2 golds tomoro......hi5.....CHN should give chance a bit to MAS lah since they had so many already........ok? hi5 ok ok? hi5, treat u guys goreng pisang la next time when u guys come to MAS ok ok?? hi5.......hahahaha hi5 hi5 again......

[Tjun Tjun]

what i meant was F/Z MIGHT keep winning at this moment. but that winning streak wont be long. tomorrow DEFINATELY they'll go down to FHF/CY.

in my opinion, they just got lucky to win the semi-final match. most of the points (especially from the 3rd game) come from TG/CW's unforced errors.

I don't think Fairuz/Zakry were lucky today..... they played quite brilliantly. Had they had more experience playing together as a pair, they would have given a much better account of themselves and maybe finished off the Indonesians much earlier instead of going into the rubber set.... that's how I see the game.....;) ;)

[vching]

after calculations MD ranking likely to be:

CY/FHF points not avalible
JJJ/LYD 49430
TG/CW 52730
KM/SH 50021
MLH/JE 54800
CTF/LWW 53221
KKK/TBH 55290

so sequence =
CY/FHF
KKK/TBH
MLH/JE
CTF/LWW
TG/CW
KM/SH
JJJ/LWD (not active)

[Jessica]

Tony/Chandra always have one problem that is if their opponent drag the game to the rubber set, they can't win it.Maybe this is due to the age factor.Ask for tomorrow finals,really no idea who will win and i just hope that Mas will give out everything they have.

[alfa-2]

win it if possible or lose it with style.......

[Tjun Tjun]

My vote for Match of the Day goes to Bao CL v Taufik. Brilliant, awesome display by Bao. Bao was calm and full of confidence ....Taufik played well but could not match the in-form Chinese.... I think most players would find it difficult to beat Bao today.....

[kwun]

Tony/Chandra always have one problem that is if their opponent drag the game to the rubber set, they can't win it.Maybe this is due to the age factor.Ask for tomorrow finals,really no idea who will win and i just hope that Mas will give out everything they have.

yes. put it this way, the youngsters have nothing to lose against FHF/CY. might as well play their hearts out and see how far they can go against FHF/CY, one never knows, maybe they can run away being the winner!

[phaarix]

Taufik's comebacks came too late in both games. But that made it all the more exciting. Both games Bao held a good lead for the majority of the game but towards the end of each Taufik would catch right up and at the last minute Bao would finally manage to finish it off. Very exciting match, I'll have to add this one to my video collection.

[Inky2000]

so sequence =
CY/FHF
KKK/TBH
MLH/JE
CTF/LWW
TG/CW
KM/SH
JJJ/LWD (not active)

Furthermore, with Fairuzizuan/Zakry's sf win, they will at least move up to somewhere around No.40-45. Should they win the title, they will move up to somewhere around No.36-40. Well, kind of deja vu ... KKK/TBH went through a similar path barely half a year ago.

[hcyong]

Taufik's comebacks came too late in both games. But that made it all the more exciting. Both games Bao held a good lead for the majority of the game but towards the end of each Taufik would catch right up and at the last minute Bao would finally manage to finish it off. Very exciting match, I'll have to add this one to my video collection.

Sort of like the Tony/Candra v Zakry/Fairuz first and third games, except in the first game, the Indons actually came back and took the game. I think it's because if you are far behind, you play like there's no tomorrow, and your opponent(s) get rattled by that. Therefore, quite often you see brave comebacks being mounted (usually not successful though).

[hcyong]

Furthermore, with Fairuzizuan/Zakry's sf win, they will at least move up to somewhere around No.40-45. Should they win the title, they will move up to somewhere around No.36-40. Well, kind of deja vu ... KKK/TBH went through a similar path barely half a year ago.

But Fairuz/Zakry lack the attacking potential that KKK/TBH possess. When KKK/TBH attacks, it can be quite frightening. On form, they can steamroll you.

[phaarix]

Sort of like the Tony/Candra v Zakry/Fairuz first and third games, except in the first game, the Indons actually came back and took the game. I think it's because if you are far behind, you play like there's no tomorrow, and your opponent(s) get rattled by that. Therefore, quite often you see brave comebacks being mounted (usually not successful though).

LCW has done it before heh, so maybe if he's in the same situation as TH was today he might pull it off :). Yeah I find when I play my friend he gets to set point and sort of relaxes just a bit. So I make the most of it and get a few quick points. Then he gets a little frustrated and tries to finish it quickly which only works against him. I mean I rarely actually win the set like that but if you can at least start a comeback it does put the pressure back on your opponent to close off the set and gives you a bit of a mental advantage.

[Jessica]

But Fairuz/Zakry lack the attacking potential that KKK/TBH possess. When KKK/TBH attacks, it can be quite frightening. On form, they can steamroll you.I agree with you for this.:) If they are on form,they are really superb.Just look at their performance in the All England.I really miss their fighting spirit very much.But since from the ABC in Johor which i witnessed myself,they seem like lack of something from the past.Do no how to discribe but something is missing there.

[JSports]

think Fairuz/Zakry likely lost to cai/fu.. miracle happen?

[shyeling]

But Fairuz/Zakry lack the attacking potential that KKK/TBH possess. When KKK/TBH attacks, it can be quite frightening. On form, they can steamroll you.

this is true when they have a chance to attack..:o

[Inky2000]

But Fairuz/Zakry lack the attacking potential that KKK/TBH possess. When KKK/TBH attacks, it can be quite frightening. On form, they can steamroll you.

That's why I called them "a lesser version of KKK/TBH" in another thread. They could opt for defensive style like Sidek bros. There must be a reason that Rexy paired them up.

[maIRa]

aih..dun care lar..still support malaysia..jia you! berusaha!! come on!!

[hcyong]

That's why I called them "a lesser version of KKK/TBH" in another thread. They could opt for defensive style like Sidek bros. There must be a reason that Rexy paired them up.

Or as someone else puts it, "the hobbit version" of KKK/TBH.

[shyeling]

this is my feeling after watch the match...

what u all think about LCW's performance today? because chen hong not playing well today, so is hard also to judge LCW's performance..:confused:

KKK still like to showoff and always take over the shuttle that should be taken by TBH. i think this may b one of the factor that cause them to lose in the match.. they are lost of focus at all in 2nd and 3rd set.. so disappointed!!:crying: :crying: :crying:
cai/fu played really well today esp cai yun at the base line..:eek:
but the match between KKK/TBH and cai/fu can b said as no speed at all..:mad:

bao playing quite well today or may be taufik not playing well...:confused:
but what i can sure is a lot of INA supporters had their heart broken...

fairuz/zakry play quite well today..:)
actually if they hold their chance tight in the 1st set, the match wouldn't go until rubber..

LCW may got some chance tmr if he play well and done less mistake..:rolleyes:
fairuz/zakry if kept the fighting spirit and also the speed like today, winning is not impossible..:D

jia you LCW and fairuz/zakry!!!!:) :) :)

[Sammy]

yes. put it this way, the youngsters have nothing to lose against FHF/CY. might as well play their hearts out and see how far they can go against FHF/CY, one never knows, maybe they can run away being the winner!

Well now is Fu/Cai vs Zakry/Fairu.
With all due respect to the Chinese but KKK/TBH were playing like school boys especially in the 2nd and 3rd set. Allowing the Chinese to attack. It looked like they already gave up starting from the 2nd set.
While Candra/Tony and Zakry/Fairu both pairs were making many unforce errors. It was a ding-dong match and could go any way. The Malaysian attacking play does not last long. A few continuos smashes they ran out of gas. I think they should build up on their attacking play.
The Final --> Fu/Cai vs Zakry/Fairu
The Chinese attacks well, very fast and make less mistake. I dont see the Malaysian able to put pressure on the Chinese. My heart says Zakry/Fairu to win but my brain says Fu/Cai to win.

[Sammy]

yes. put it this way, the youngsters have nothing to lose against FHF/CY. might as well play their hearts out and see how far they can go against FHF/CY, one never knows, maybe they can run away being the winner!

Well now is Fu/Cai vs Zakry/Fairu.
With all due respect to the Chinese but KKK/TBH were playing like school boys especially in the 2nd and 3rd set. Allowing the Chinese to attack. It looked like they already gave up starting from the 2nd set.
While Candra/Tony and Zakry/Fairu both pairs were making many unforce errors. It was a ding-dong match and could go any way. The Malaysian attacking play does not last long. A few continuos smashes they ran out of gas. I think they should build up on their attacking play.
The Final --> Fu/Cai vs Zakry/Fairu
The Chinese attacks well, very fast and make less mistake. I dont see the Malaysian able to put pressure on the Chinese. My heart says Zakry/Fairu to win but my brain says Fu/Cai to win.

[JaCk™]

this is my feeling after watch the match...

KKK still like to showoff and always take over the shuttle that should be taken by TBH. i think this may b one of the factor that cause them to lose in the match.. they are lost of focus at all in 2nd and 3rd set.. so disappointed!!:crying: :crying: :crying:
cai/fu played really well today esp cai yun at the base line..:eek:
but the match between KKK/TBH and cai/fu can b said as no speed at all..:mad:


erm, today's match outcome is a disappointment. rexy shook his head in disbelief. you noticed what happened too. in my opinion, KKK/TBH is being defeated 100%, 100% and 100%. they took the first set with their drives and speed. during the 2nd and 3rd set, the chinese were simply better. to say it bluntly, CY/FHF low drives, smashes and defense is simply better than KKK/TBH. KKK/TBH low drives, speed and defense seems to be their weakness now. CY/FHF is better in every aspect. what happen?? the chinese are improving but KKK/TBH are stagnant? this is my gut feeling.
Zakry/Fairuzizuan is better today. Zakry playing at front court is better than KKK. Zakry's smash from baseline is also powerful. fairuzizuan usually makes the mistake while zakry make lesser mistakes. from the current performance, surely Zakry/Fairuzizuan is better than KKK/TBH. KKK/TBH communcation is not so good as before. perhaps something happen? but Zakry/Fairuzizuan keep encouraging each other even though they are losing points.
CY/FHF has a chance to win tomorrow if they play as well as today and in Singapore Open. their attack, defence and low drives are simply excellent. Malaysia need to finish the game fast rather than let opponent catch up. this is their mistake today and that's why they lost the 1st set to Tony/Candra. anyway, all the best to the malaysians. hope their fighting spirit will overcome everything.

[Ai Mei]

so happy Bao CL won......hahahahahah jiayou Bao!!!!

[val717]

Ai Mei,.. Just a question??? why are you no rooting for Taufik?? He is Your Compatriot right?? just asking??

[JaCk™]

Ai Mei,.. Just a question??? why are you no rooting for Taufik?? He is Your Compatriot right?? just asking??

perhaps, bao is more handsome than taufik? or bao is still unmarried compared to taufik? :)

[ck1981]

I agree with you for this.:) If they are on form,they are really superb.Just look at their performance in the All England.I really miss their fighting spirit very much.But since from the ABC in Johor which i witnessed myself,they seem like lack of something from the past.Do no how to discribe but something is missing there.

I think the 'missing' thing is 'motivation'. After they have won All England and other titles within a short period, they already feel satisfied and do not have motivation to win more titles, especially KKK. They achieve fame and glory so fast until they lose to themselves, not to CY/FHF, LWH/CTF or the new malay pair. I think this is one of the bad habbit for Malaysia players. Once they win something big big, their motivation will vanish immediately. They simply dunno how to handle fame and glory.

[hcpoirot]

Like I said many times before over and over, Its not easy to Win a title specially like AE or Olympic medal, but the hardest part in keep consistently play well through your careers.

Only a handful players can do that specially in tough field like MS and MD.

Example:

TH and LD are consistent. TH sometimes win very important titles. And LD at least win 3 title or more than that since 4 years ago.

PG and BCL and CH also very consistent. Although CH won more titles than PG or BCL this few years.

LCW rise very high last year for about 7 months but since WC2006, he took a stumble.

And Hafiz. After winning a AE, he likely only reach QF in top level tournaments.

[ctjcad]

WD
GaoLing&ZJW-DJ&YY 18-21 11-14 GL says the ginger tastes different..

i always though GL and ZJW are the two best WD china has. but seems like they don't work well together...
..they are, arguably, 2 of the best WD players for CHN, if not in the whole world...Btw, sorry, i made some typos along the way: it should've said "ginseng" instead of "ginger"..No wonder GL and Tony&Candra lost their matches..haha:p:D;)

[ctjcad]

...phew, what an exciting Semifinals Day. Who would've though that the Semifinals day would provide more surprises, even upsets. Eventhough a few had predicted certain players will advance to the Finals, fate and luck would say otherwise....On that note, here's a quick recap of the day's actions..

- In the MS match, we saw 2 of the much anticipated matches on the day, both of which left most of the fans bewildered yet for their respective fans, ecstatic. As an opener we saw a very entertaining match between 2 well-respected players in LCW vs. CH. The opening set was wonderfully played with both contestants battling it out. However, LCW's energy propelled him thru to the Finals, as CH was left pretty much frazzled in the 2nd set. A few hrs later, LCW's opponent in the Final would also surprise not only a few of the loyal Taufik's INA fans, but also others, dismayed. It was, arguably, the most exciting match of the day with both shuttlers exchanging some titillating and mouth opening plays from the opening serve. But at the end, the much prepared and composed BCL clinched the match in 2 sets, redeeming himself for his lost in last yr's IO Final. :cool:
- And the upsets continued in one of the MD matches. This time involving the "legendary" INA MD/USA veterans against the up-and-coming MAS youngsters. Playing in front of the loud and boisterous INA crowd, the young MAS pair must've gone thru their biggest learning experience so far in their careers. After losing the 1st set, the young MAS pairs kept their poise and kept the score close w/their veteran counterparts. And with Rexy guiding and giving them encouragements, from time to time, the youngsters were able to push ahead and clinch one of their biggest upset in their careers. The veteran pairs, one more time, were left with the same scenario "So near yet so far".:p ;)
On the other side, another of the much anticipated matches between CHN's & MAS' top ranked pairs, lived up to its billing as both pairs provided some exciting rallies. However the CHN pair took control of the match from the 2nd set onwards, never giving any chances for Rexy's kids to develop any kind of rhythms. At the end the CHN pair ended KKK&TBH's 1st defeat under Rexy's guidance. Where did it go wrong?? What will Rexy do now to bring back his young charges' focus?? :cool:
- The WS events also provided an exciting match. But this time, it involved a less know player in Petya Nedeltcheva against the veteran WangChen. Their match must've been a very entertaining one, as the underdog Petya was on the verge of creating another upset in this IO. But at the end, after 3 hard-fought sets, it wasn't meant to be, as WangChen used all of her experience to clich the final 6 points. Her opponent, ZhuLin, winner of last yr's IO, will be waiting for her in the Finals after defeating Lady Pi in 2 straight sets. :cool:
- The WD provided a semi-upset as DuJing and her partner defeated GaoLing&ZJW in 2 relatively quick sets, preventing GaoLing of winning a double title. They will meet their compatriots, one more time, in the Finals. :cool:
- And last the XD matches where we witnessed 2 pairs who will meet once again. This time for another rematch between BWF's top ranked XD pair vs. the much heralded new pairing of ZhengBo & his partner, the Smiling Assassin. Both pairs finished off their opponents in 2 quick sets. :cool:

At the end of the day, CHN have cemented their chance of winning all 5 events. And left the host country, INA, with only 1 representative in the Finals. Will the INA XD pair salvage a title and prevent a clean sweep of the CHN squad??..We shall see..:cool:
As for the BC, surprised to see the Semifinals thread would also attract many BCers and viewers, unlike the earlier day's prediction that there will be less BCers in the forum. All in all, we are very pleased to see and expect another good turnout on BC, for the Finals, as MAS will be represented in 2 of the events...Looking fw to the actions in a few hrs:cool:

[val717]

Well, yesterday bao chun lai played beautifully against taufik. He deserve to win.

[val717]

Wang chen is cruising past Zhu lin. the chinese cannot find her form against WC

[val717]

WSF... Wang chen won agaisnt Zhu lin 21-14,21-13

[val717]

MDF...Fu/cai won the 1st set 21-17

[cao ci dan]

MDF...Fu/cai won the 1st set 21-17
val717 (http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/member.php?u=24902), you're in the wrong thread.

[val717]

We're talking about Indonesian open right?? anyway FU/cai won against Zakry/Tazari in men's doubles finals IO '07

[cao ci dan]

We're talking about Indonesian open right?? anyway FU/cai won against Zakry/Tazari in men's doubles finals IO '07
:) Yes,its IO 07...but this is SF thread.
There's IO 07 Final thread out there.
and YES!Fu/Cai won!:D

[ctjcad]

..(i re-watched the match between these 2 top pairs, pretty good:cool:)...here's my take(along w/ a few comments from friends watching back in INA):
After watching their match, CY & FHF definitely have improved their game.

1. In the 1st set, KKK & TBH were forcing CY & FHF to play their game w/a lot of flat & cross court drives, thus creating easy smashes and forcing the CHN pair to make a lot of errors. Remember, Rexy is known more of a drive-oriented player, therefore i wasn't surprised if this tactic was used by his charges.

2. However in the 2nd set, the CHN pair started to change their tactic and forced the MAS pair to play more of a "normal" MD game(drops, lifs, smashes), as there seemed to be less drives and more smashes & lifts. And it seemed like the MAS pair weren't able to adjust to the change of strategy against them. This continued in the 3rd set, as the MAS weren't able to get their flat-driving game back, which at the end frustrated them as they lost quite tamely.

Conclusion:The CHN pair were better defensively and they were able to change their tactic/strategy and forced the MAS to play their game, starting in the 2nd set onwards.

Some additional notes:
- The MAS pair smashes are hard but they seemed to be flatter-not as steep, thus the CHN pair were able to return most of their smashes. On the other hand, the CHN pair's smashes were not only harder but steeper.
- The CHN pair's defense was consistent. On the other hand, the MAS pair's defense was very inconsistent.
- The CHN pair seemed to also improve on their flat-driving game as well as their anticipation at the net.
How to solve for MAS pair?? well, i don't know, but my feeling is the MAS pair probably need to work on their smashes(either KKK or TBH needs to become that "tukang gebuk"(smasher) ala FHF:) and defense. And learn not to rely too much on their flat-driving game, as i think other pairs are starting to figure out their game.