Super Series Finals So Far...in 2007

[jasonmarc]

Wow, we have gone thru 5 SS Finals and coming to 6th. Tomorrow! So far, MAS MD had done a awesome achivements Malaysia MD Team placed thier MD in 5 Finals out of a total of 6!!!!:eek: :eek: that amazing......Furthermore, they done it with different pair, KKK/TBH in Three Finals, LWW/CTF and Zakry/FT one each....Keep it up MAS MD Team......and Thanks Rexy....:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

[Inky2000]

Better still, MAS won 3 (all through the same pair though), and 1 each for CHN and KOR. It seems that CHN is trying to catch up while KOR could only be 'jaguh kampung'.

[JaCk™]

Wow, we have gone thru 5 SS Finals and coming to 6th. Tomorrow! So far, MAS MD had done a awesome achivements Malaysia MD Team placed thier MD in 5 Finals out of a total of 6!!!!:eek: :eek: that amazing......Furthermore, they done it with different pair, KKK/TBH in Three Finals, LWW/CTF and Zakry/FT one each....Keep it up MAS MD Team......and Thanks Rexy....:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

our next future finalist might be Soon Hock/Bin Shen, Chong Ming/Thien How and Woon Fui/Teik Chai?? hopefully..

[shyeling]

malaysia still can win by different pair but china no other beside cai/fu..:D:D

[Inky2000]

our next future finalist might be Soon Hock/Bin Shen, Chong Ming/Thien How and Woon Fui/Teik Chai?? hopefully..

Unless you are envisaging more all-Malaysian finals to come, different pairs taking turn to advance to finals may mean that none of them could topple CY/FHF's World No.1 status (now that CW/TG appears to be declining, we are hoping that the young Mas pairs could make a difference, but if not ...), which means that the MD category will be getting boring. KKK/TBH (the forthcoming World No.2), for example, need to win at least 3 more SS titles (or WC + 2 SS titles) to overtake CY/FHF.

[shyeling]

Unless you are envisaging more all-Malaysian finals to come, different pairs taking turn to advance to finals may mean that none of them could topple CY/FHF's World No.1 status (now that CW/TG appears to be declining, we are hoping that the young Mas pairs could make a difference, but if not ...), which means that the MD category will be getting boring. KKK/TBH (the forthcoming World No.2), for example, need to win at least 3 more SS titles (or WC + 2 SS titles) to overtake CY/FHF.

not choong/lee be the 2nd n kkk/tbh be the 3rd??:confused:

[JaCk™]

but to state some facts, from this Indonesia Open and last week Singapore Open, CY/FHF seems unstoppable. their game is almost perhaps, especially some improvement in their defense and drives. our malaysian pairs always produce good results, but falter in finals. hope Rexy will do more work by polishing up more pairs such as Zakry/Fairuzizuan rather than relying on KKK/TBH alone. luckily Zakry/Fairuzizuan make it a good day for us today..

[Inky2000]

not choong/lee be the 2nd n kkk/tbh be the 3rd??:confused:

We did the calculation. The rankings on this coming Thursday will be (1) CY/FHF; (2) KKK/TBH; (3) JE/MLH; (4) CTF/LWW; (5) TG/CW; (6) MK/HS.

[shyeling]

We did the calculation. The rankings on this coming Thursday will be (1) CY/FHF; (2) KKK/TBH; (3) JE/MLH; (4) CTF/LWW; (5) TG/CW; (6) MK/HS.

i see.. thanks..:)
but i think is still a big gap between them and cai/fu...:(

[JaCk™]

i see.. thanks..:)
but i think is still a big gap between them and cai/fu...:(

the gap is big in terms of points and also skills. today's match is the proof. i expected this but i never knew our malaysian pair is stagnant.

[shyeling]

the gap is big in terms of points and also skills. today's match is the proof. i expected this but i never knew our malaysian pair is stagnant.

ya..
i think if kkk/tbh do not improve theirselves, their place will be taken over soon, because there is now many doubles pair with good potential..:o :(
cai yun improve a lot. he is now not only good in front of net but also at the baseline.. but fu seems decrease in his smashing power.. or may b he didn't smash a lot today??:confused:

[Jessica]

I have watch the All England final between KKK/TBH and Cai/Fu again today and i feel that the aggresive and fighting spirit are not longer shown by them especially KKK in today match.They were full of fighting spirit in previous but today they seem like not interesting in playing.I feel that they totally give up in the second and third set.Actually this is a very big problem because once your interest is not in the game,you will started to play badly just like them.Cai/Fu today are so well prepared and powerful,they have improve a lot no matter their flat drive and net play which used to be their weakness in the previous had improved drasticly.This two young lad really have to think seriously and found the problem if they want to regain their form and i sincerely hope they can come back.

[JaCk™]

ya..
i think if kkk/tbh do not improve theirselves, their place will be taken over soon, because there is now many doubles pair with good potential..:o :(
cai yun improve a lot. he is now not only good in front of net but also at the baseline.. but fu seems decrease in his smashing power.. or may b he didn't smash a lot today??:confused:

the secret is, KKK/TBH strategy is no longer relevant. their success in back to back AE and Swiss Open title was because their opponent had no time to analyze their game and weakness. but in Singapore Open and Indonesia Open, CY/FHF came back strongly. this time, CY/FHF dare to challenge KKK/TBH at playing drives. today, i noticed CY/FHF is faster at net. in short, CY/FHF is using back KKK/TBH strategy at a faster speed. KKK/TBH were simply outplayed today and had no chance to win. the 2nd and 3rd game is a total gone case. no more fighting spirit and confidence. whatever KKK/TBH do, CY/FHF did better. Now, Rexy can't rely solely on KKK/TBH to win the WC and Olympics. the good news is we have other strong pairs now. Chong Ming/Thien How is coming up.

[JaCk™]

I have watch the All England final between KKK/TBH and Cai/Fu again today and i feel that the aggresive and fighting spirit are not longer shown by them especially KKK in today match.They were full of fighting spirit in previous but today they seem like not interesting in playing.I feel that they totally give up in the second and third set.Actually this is a very big problem because once your interest is not in the game,you will started to play badly just like them.Cai/Fu today are so well prepared and powerful,they have improve a lot no matter their flat drive and net play which used to be their weakness in the previous had improved drasticly.This two young lad really have to think seriously and found the problem if they want to regain their form and i sincerely hope they can come back.

they give up in 2nd game and 3rd game because they know there is no chance to win. i'm not criticising them, but this is true in badminton. when your opponent is stronger in every aspect, you will lose confidence and there is no chance for fightback. KKK is not longer dominant at the net. Cai Yun is dominating the net today and KKK/TBH defense is extremely poor today. far far far different from their form in AE..

[Jessica]

they give up in 2nd game and 3rd game because they know there is no chance to win. i'm not criticising them, but this is true in badminton. when your opponent is stronger in every aspect, you will lose confidence and there is no chance for fightback. KKK is not longer dominant at the net. Cai Yun is dominating the net today and KKK/TBH defense is extremely poor today. far far far different from their form in AE..Ya..i agree with you.Cai/Fu really have improved a lot and actually i felt that since last week Singapore SS when they against CCF/LWW.They are no longer trick by the opponents in front of the net and plus FHF smashing,they are stronger now.KKK/TBH have to really work hard if they want to regain their usual form.

[Inky2000]

Yes, if KKK/TBH don't improve themselves, they won't be able to stay long at World No.2 spot.

[JaCk™]

Ya..i agree with you.Cai/Fu really have improved a lot and actually i felt that since last week Singapore SS when they against CCF/LWW.They are no longer trick by the opponents in front of the net and plus FHF smashing,they are stronger now.KKK/TBH have to really work hard if they want to regain their usual form.

to be frank, i will say that Candra/Tony is declining. Zakry/Fairuzizuan win not because they are good but because Candra/Tony is declining. Zakry/Fairuzizuan are caught many times by Candra/Tony. Zakry/Fairuzizuan leads but in the end Candra/Tony always catch up. Tomorrow, if CY/FHF plays their true strength, they will win. tomorrow final will be like Candra/Tony playing against KKK/TBH in Japan Open for the first time where KKK/TBH lost due to inexperience. it looks like a gone case for KKK/TBH because they flop in 3 tournaments in a row, ABC, SO and IO. what a shock from them.

[Jessica]

Well,if want to say experience and tactic,Chandra/Tony still a level above our malay pair.I discover a very strange situation that is if Tony/Chandra are being drag by their opponents to the rubber game,they will most likely lose and maybe this is due to the age factor.I have to agree that Fu/Cai stand a better chance tomorrow in all aspects but i hope Fairuz/Zakry will give everything out and a good fight.Ask for KKK/TBH,i cannot say they are gone for sure in the future because this is unfair to them.What can we do is just hoping that they will wake up from today and if they really train hard and focus back,i believe that they can still shine as they are both very talented.I just hope the talent in them won't bring disaster to them.Let them go through all the test and hardship before success.Don't forget that they are only 20 years old.What the young poeples do when they 20 years old?

[JaCk™]

KKK/TBH can win titles in a row such as AG, MO, AE and Swiss Open. but they can also fail tournaments in a row such as ABC, SO and IO. this is the magic. success has got over the head?? or they can't change to better strategy?? the worry now is that CY/FHF is improving too fast but KKK/TBH is stagnant. something need to be done. for example, is CY/FHF smash well, KKK/TBH must defend better. today, their defense is terrible.

[hcyong]

It is absurd to write off players just because they cannot win a few tournaments in a row. People wrote off Cai/Fu when they lost a few times to KKK/TBH. Look where they are now. Similarly, KKK/TBH could also counter back in future. This is the nature of sports. This is what makes sports exciting. If KKK/TBH keeps winning, even Malaysian fans will start getting bored.

[JaCk™]

It is absurd to write off players just because they cannot win a few tournaments in a row. People wrote off Cai/Fu when they lost a few times to KKK/TBH. Look where they are now. Similarly, KKK/TBH could also counter back in future. This is the nature of sports. This is what makes sports exciting. If KKK/TBH keeps winning, even Malaysian fans will start getting bored.

frankly, did you watch how they lost today?? it's the same as how they trash CY/FHF 21-5 in asian games. but now it's their turn.

[Inky2000]

There are always up and down for every player or pair. hcyong's point is simple - don't write KKK/TBH off now just like we didn't write CY/FHF off in the past (e.g., between Oct'06 and Mar'07, CY/FHF failed to win a single title in 5 consecutive touarnaments!). KKK/TBH disappointed everyone yesterday because they lost to a pair whom they defeated three times in a row; but the pair they lost to is after all the world champion and world No.1. KKK/TBH is still one of the top pairs in the world. But they do need to improve themselves, just like what CY/FHF did since Sweden SS.

Anyway, Jack, I understand your worry. KKK/TBH are after all Mas players. Their fans' fear is that they are going to become another Hafiz. Well, let's hope they are the future Razif/Jalani or Soon Kit/Kim Hock instead (who had been more consistent during their heydays).

[hcpoirot]

Before you write off any players or pair, you had to wait till the last tournaments this year first before you can say that this player is improve or that player is decline.

Ex: Cai/Fu did not quite good at few events this year and pick up from Singapore Open and now Indonesia Open.

KKK/TBH play really well at three of first events and not super (still good) next three events.

The other reason why KKK/TBH not always win or at least be runner up cause other countries or pairs already analyze how KKK/TBH playes. Where are their strength and their weakness. So it will not be as easy when they are new pair.

[ck1981]

Ya KKK/TBH lost badly today, especially the 2nd set and 3rd set, which are only 12-21 and 10-21. The scores are awful, considering that KKK/TBH has won many titles recently. I think Rexy has done all he can to wake up them. Our fans also always worry and worry that they will become another Hafiz. It is all up to them. Afterall, we should accept the fact the way we did to Hafiz.

[ctjcad]

...the current Indonesian Open has generated, arguably, the biggest most followed tournament in BCF this yr...Just look at how many threads which have gone over the 20,000+ views mark, all by itself(one of which is, essentially, over 35,000+ views):eek::D..and we're not even finish yet:rolleyes: :eek: :p ;) ...

[volcom]

...the current Indonesian Open has generated, arguably, the biggest most followed tournament in BCF this yr...Just look at how many threads which have gone over the 20,000+ views mark, all by itself(one of which is, essentially, over 35,000+ views):eek::D..and we're not even finish yet:rolleyes: :eek: :p ;) ...
Cos Singapore, Malaysia, and Indonesia represent mostr of BC's demographics. Most Chinese that love badminton prolly don't know how to understand english that well, and probably post on chinese forums. And Malaysians, Indoesians and Singaporeans usually have much better english... so thats why tourneys held around their countries generate so much views and discussion.

[ctjcad]

Cos Singapore, Malaysia, and Indonesia represent mostr of BC's demographics. Most Chinese that love badminton prolly don't know how to understand english that well, and probably post on chinese forums. And Malaysians, Indoesians and Singaporeans usually have much better english... so thats why tourneys held around their countries generate so much views and discussion.
...and if one notices the sequence of the sub-forum's history, one'll notice the numbers have increased from the yr opening Malaysian Open...It should be interesting to see how the numbers fluctuate throughout the yr..Will it keep rising and rising and building til the yr ending Grand Prix tourney??..we'll see..;):):cool:

[abedeng]

ya..
i think if kkk/tbh do not improve theirselves, their place will be taken over soon, because there is now many doubles pair with good potential..:o :(
cai yun improve a lot. he is now not only good in front of net but also at the baseline.. but fu seems decrease in his smashing power.. or may b he didn't smash a lot today??:confused:

From my observations, part of the reason KKK/TBH lost yesterday was that Fu Haifeng was placed at the net quite more often than usual. And he can match MAS pair in terms of response quickness at the net. MAS cannot dominate the net as usual.

Another reason is the uncharacteristic mistakes made by MAS pair, probably due to rushing the rallies once they fell behind. This is an indication of lack of composure (also affects Zakry/Fairuz to a certain extent).

And of course, the most telling part, Chinese mental strength. For the past 25 years, I've always admired this in the Chinese team. And with Bao holding off Taufik + Zhu Lin fighting by herself after ZN, XX and LL fell, this is the part that determines the champs from the pretenders.

[abedeng]

Agree with hcyong and Inky, we cannot just write of players like that. The competition is stiffer now compared to during Razif/Jalani's & Cheah/Yap's times (only about 4 top pairs dominating, now MAS alone have 6 pairs fighting alongside Danes, Chinese, Indonesia, Eng, Korea, HK & Poland even). Even scratch pairs are becoming almost as dangerous as regular pairs.

Plus the PPR system introduces one variable that makes it almost impossible to play catch up. Just ask Tony and Candra.

But it is good to expose the shortcomings now, so that MAS can be better prepared in Sudirman Cup/China Open and eventually, World Championships at home.

[vching]

guys...
a consecutive string of 3 losses doesnt mean much: besides, kkk tbh is slowly finding back their form, and i have confidence that they will reemerge...

[USAfan]

...and if one notices the sequence of the sub-forum's history, one'll notice the numbers have increased from the yr opening Malaysian Open...It should be interesting to see how the numbers fluctuate throughout the yr..Will it keep rising and rising and building til the yr ending Grand Prix tourney??..we'll see..;):):cool:
is it because the formation of KKK/TBH pair that got folks on the bandwagon ? it certainly drew plenty attention when they were practically invisible. maybe that gave the badminton world a change instead of the same 0! same 0! when the game change to the 21 points, did it not drew the crowds ? so for now , its exciting to see new champions and new heros......

[USAfan]

From my observations, part of the reason KKK/TBH lost yesterday was that Fu Haifeng was placed at the net quite more often than usual. And he can match MAS pair in terms of response quickness at the net. MAS cannot dominate the net as usual.

Another reason is the uncharacteristic mistakes made by MAS pair, probably due to rushing the rallies once they fell behind. This is an indication of lack of composure (also affects Zakry/Fairuz to a certain extent).

And of course, the most telling part, Chinese mental strength. For the past 25 years, I've always admired this in the Chinese team. And with Bao holding off Taufik + Zhu Lin fighting by herself after ZN, XX and LL fell, this is the part that determines the champs from the pretenders.
its the culture, when u have to compete with almost 2 billion people, u better be strong will and determined to be the best. look at the chinese students around the world, always competing to be the top student. so why wouldn't they continue to produce champions ????

[ctjcad]

is it because the formation of KKK/TBH pair that got folks on the bandwagon ? it certainly drew plenty attention when they were practically invisible. maybe that gave the badminton world a change instead of the same 0! same 0! when the game change to the 21 points, did it not drew the crowds ? so for now , its exciting to see new champions and new heros......
..it could be them...But could also be the whole new Super Series format..or the upcoming WC...or could also be the growing size of BC members around the world..;):):cool:

[abedeng]

its the culture, when u have to compete with almost 2 billion people, u better be strong will and determined to be the best. look at the chinese students around the world, always competing to be the top student. so why wouldn't they continue to produce champions ????

The question we should be asking is why other players can't be more adaptable and strong mentally like the Chinese, and this is not just limited to badminton. The sports associations must look at what is to be improved to create world beaters. The Chinese and the Western World are very good at this. Malaysia's own World Squash Queen was trained in Holland.

[jasonmarc]

the secret is, KKK/TBH strategy is no longer relevant. their success in back to back AE and Swiss Open title was because their opponent had no time to analyze their game and weakness. but in Singapore Open and Indonesia Open, CY/FHF came back strongly. this time, CY/FHF dare to challenge KKK/TBH at playing drives. today, i noticed CY/FHF is faster at net. in short, CY/FHF is using back KKK/TBH strategy at a faster speed. KKK/TBH were simply outplayed today and had no chance to win. the 2nd and 3rd game is a total gone case. no more fighting spirit and confidence. whatever KKK/TBH do, CY/FHF did better. Now, Rexy can't rely solely on KKK/TBH to win the WC and Olympics. the good news is we have other strong pairs now. Chong Ming/Thien How is coming up.

You are right, but i think every one are doing analysis on their opponent game, there is nothing secret, the only thing is that KKK plays was not consistant and lack of power, my oppinion is that they have just past their peak form....their peak was in between Dec 06 until Swiss Open 2007, then their form goes down abit..beggining from ABC, SSSO, and showing signs of up trend in IO...but for CY/HF..They peak was at WC06...remember or not their form gone dowm after WC06,...they failed in CO06, World Cup, MO07...until they showed sign of ups in form in AE07 n SO07 and now they peak at SO07 and IO07,...so a pair like KKK/TBH who is at fluctuating form to play with a pair in their top/peak form is quite difficult...and KKK/TBH actually played well to beat Kido/Setiawan, Lar Paske/Rasmussen...not bad already...just hope their form will continue claiming and hit peak at the right time in Aug 07 during WC 07....

[bcmmgr]

You are right, but i think every one are doing analysis on their opponent game, there is nothing secret, the only thing is that KKK plays was not consistant and lack of power, my oppinion is that they have just past their peak form....their peak was in between Dec 06 until Swiss Open 2007, then their form goes down abit..beggining from ABC, SSSO, and showing signs of up trend in IO...but for CY/HF..They peak was at WC06...remember or not their form gone dowm after WC06,...they failed in CO06, World Cup, MO07...until they showed sign of ups in form in AE07 n SO07 and now they peak at SO07 and IO07,...so a pair like KKK/TBH who is at fluctuating form to play with a pair in their top/peak form is quite difficult...and KKK/TBH actually played well to beat Kido/Setiawan, Lar Paske/Rasmussen...not bad already...just hope their form will continue claiming and hit peak at the right time in Aug 07 during WC 07....

Agree ! then it will depend on how long they need to recover their peak form and how long they can keep their peak form. Player like Lin Dan can keep his peak form well, player like Hazif can't event keep his peak form more then 24 hours. Of course CY/HF is in peak now, but will they keep it till World Championship ? Is KKK/TBH going to recover their peak during World Championship ? CTF/LWW is also at their peak now, but they usually cannot keep they peak very long, so it may be disadvantage for them during world championship.

Another question is during their low form, how low is it ? KKK/TBH consider good as at their low form, they can still beat Kido/Setiawan. CTF/LWW usually has very bad low form, they can easily lost to unknown during their low.

[JaCk™]

You are right, but i think every one are doing analysis on their opponent game, there is nothing secret, the only thing is that KKK plays was not consistant and lack of power, my oppinion is that they have just past their peak form....their peak was in between Dec 06 until Swiss Open 2007, then their form goes down abit..beggining from ABC, SSSO, and showing signs of up trend in IO...but for CY/HF..They peak was at WC06...remember or not their form gone dowm after WC06,...they failed in CO06, World Cup, MO07...until they showed sign of ups in form in AE07 n SO07 and now they peak at SO07 and IO07,...so a pair like KKK/TBH who is at fluctuating form to play with a pair in their top/peak form is quite difficult...and KKK/TBH actually played well to beat Kido/Setiawan, Lar Paske/Rasmussen...not bad already...just hope their form will continue claiming and hit peak at the right time in Aug 07 during WC 07....

their peak is over and they need time to get back to their peak again. example is LCW. his peak is over since WC in august last year and he regained his peak now, in May. almost 9 months to gain his peak. WC is coming and KKK/TBH can't wait that long to regain their form. something drastic need to be done. Rexy's comment are always right. read from local newspapers and see what rexy said. we are also malaysia fans and it's not nice to say it out.

[Jessica]

Well, ia m happy enough that BC here have all the rasional fans and not just blasting and bashing them with all the harsh words here.I agree that yesterday their opponents prepared well and done enough homework than them.Actually this can let them realise that they can't always depends on their coach without thinking and arrange the strategy themselves.I hope this defeaf will really bring a lesson to them as i really doesn't wish to see talents like them going down and down.Anyway,just wait and see maybe in the Sudirman Cup in the coming June.

[jasonmarc]

No, i dont think LCW is in his peak now,...still need more time..but he is at the claiming stage now...with more hard works..hopefully the peak will come in time for the WC 07...jia you...LCW....he needs to be consistantly enter Semi Finals in Coming CO & JO 07 to justified the return of his form....

[jasonmarc]

So,.. if KKK/TBH keeps improving...they may start to show better results like enter the finals again in coming China OPen and Japan OPen 2007 in this coming JUly ...lets pray....for MAS Players

[cooler]

when the final start?:D

[ctjcad]

when the final start?:D
...start in abt 10 minutes..:p:D

[JaCk™]

No, i dont think LCW is in his peak now,...still need more time..but he is at the claiming stage now...with more hard works..hopefully the peak will come in time for the WC 07...jia you...LCW....he needs to be consistantly enter Semi Finals in Coming CO & JO 07 to justified the return of his form....

hopes this IO is a indicator of LCW slowing reaching his peak. regaining the form that he had last year. Malaysia's singles WC hopes are all on him.

[jasonmarc]

As for Men Single, after 6 Super Series Finals, Chn took 3, LD(2) CJ(1),MAS(1), DEN(1) and THA(1), 50% of the the titles won by CHN quite impressive and also good show by the other 3 country. So, the Super Series Winners Elite group have formed as 1.China. Join No. 2 : MAS, DEN and THA.

[jasonmarc]

Surprisingly! There are still NO Winner from INA so far.....for all 5 events

[jasonmarc]

And BCL is the player who enter the MS Final twice and didnt win the title..

[JaCk™]

And BCL is the player who enter the MS Final twice and didnt win the title..

pity for Bao Chunlai. he might get it right at China Open.

[Cheung]

frankly, did you watch how they lost today?? it's the same as how they trash CY/FHF 21-5 in asian games. but now it's their turn.I think it's too soon to judge their form. Of the 3 tournaments KKK/TBH did not win, they got to the final and semifinal. I think they still pick up valuable ranking points. Their results this year are better than Denmark and CY/FHF.

It doesn't matter how you win or lose. It's the result that matters. Just like in football, nobody remembers if you play pretty like Arsenal. If you don't win, then you are not remembered. Simple.

I think this top M'sian pair have won more tournaments this past half year than matches lost. That's a pretty good record.:p

[JaCk™]

I think it's too soon to judge their form. Of the 3 tournaments KKK/TBH did not win, they got to the final and semifinal. I think they still pick up valuable ranking points. Their results this year are better than Denmark and CY/FHF.

It doesn't matter how you win or lose. It's the result that matters. Just like in football, nobody remembers if you play pretty like Arsenal. If you don't win, then you are not remembered. Simple.

I think this top M'sian pair have won more tournaments this past half year than matches lost. That's a pretty good record.:p

i heard they will jump to no.2 ranking although they lost. i'm unsure. from some past matches in IO, i can see that KKK/TBH form is simply not there. no more fighting and confidence from them. their old self is seriously not there. this is alarming and something needs to be done as CY/FHF is definitely better now.

[amaze]

It's OK that KKK/TBH lost this time. They still did pretty well. It's also a good impetus for them to train harder and then maybe we'll have World Champions in them after all !

[hcyong]

i heard they will jump to no.2 ranking although they lost. i'm unsure. from some past matches in IO, i can see that KKK/TBH form is simply not there. no more fighting and confidence from them. their old self is seriously not there. this is alarming and something needs to be done as CY/FHF is definitely better now.

But you have seen their old self, haven't you? You know what they are capable of. It is too pessimistic to say they're gone. There are also moments in the past when Cai/Fu lost badly. And remember, KKK/TBH have more than 10 years left in their badminton playing career.

Roger Federer has not won in the last few tournaments he was in. Are you writing him off? I will not do such silly thing.

[Cheung]

.... i can see that KKK/TBH form is simply not there. no more fighting and confidence from them. their old self is seriously not there. this is alarming and something needs to be done as CY/FHF is definitely better now.Unduly alarmist.

[cooler]

05/13/07 20:26

Badminton : Indonesia in historic flop

Jakarta (ANTARA News) - Indonesia's vaunted badminton players failed to win a title for the first time in the Indonesia Open's 25-year history as the tournament concluded on Sunday.

Malaysia's Lee Chong Wei thrashed Bao Chunlai of China 21-15, 21-16 to win the men's singles while Hong Kong's Wang Chen won the women's title.

China won all three pairs events, with Zheng Bo and Gao Ling downing top seeds Nova Widianto and Liliyana Natsir, Indonesia's only finalists, in the mixed doubles.

"This is a serious blow," Sutiyoso, Jakarta's governor and head of the All-Indonesia Badminton Association (PBSI, was quoted by AFP as saying

"What is clear is that this defeat proves that competition in badminton is now very tight, while Badminton is one of our sports primadona which is hoped to contribute a gold in the next Olympics.

"The PBSI will as soon as possible conduct a thorough evaluation of both the coaches and the players."

With Indonesia's Olympic champion Taufik Hidayat going out in the semis, Lee, 24, downed Bao in just 35 minutes to lift his first Indonesia Open title.

"This is my best achievement so far in the Indonesia Open," said Lee, who pocketed 20,000 dollars for the win.

"My strategy in facing Bao Chunlai is to keep my shots low," he added.

Hong Kong's Wang beat Chinese third seed Zhu Lin 21-14, 21-13 in the women's final, while Du Jing and Yu Yang beat Zhao Tingting and Yang Wei 21-8, 16-21, 21-16 in the all-Chinese women's doubles shoot-out.

Top seeds Fu Haifeng and Cai Yun beat Malaysia's Abdul Latif and Mohammad Tazari 21-17, 22-20 to win the men's doubles. (*)

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No, this prove pbsi is in a disarray.

[jasonmarc]

But you have seen their old self, haven't you? You know what they are capable of. It is too pessimistic to say they're gone. There are also moments in the past when Cai/Fu lost badly. And remember, KKK/TBH have more than 10 years left in their badminton playing career.

Roger Federer has not won in the last few tournaments he was in. Are you writing him off? I will not do such silly thing.

Yes, they are professional badminton player but they are just ordinary people! they cant win all the way.....quote statement made by Roger Federer in to day news paper.......the same goes to the Squash Queen - Nicol David,...its ok to lost some....but get back to win more..later.. Remember when LCW no performing.....some people given up hope on him...but now he is back....what will they says......? Remember this..CY/FHF took it 10 months to win title after their triumph in WC 06(JULY60), LCW also lost to BCL for the first time in WC06 and also spent 10 months to recover and to beat BCL in IO07....and even XXF and ZN also lost .....Quote LYB in today news paper...its normal for my player to lost some.....i dont expect them to win all the time....

[pjswift]

The question we should be asking is why other players can't be more adaptable and strong mentally like the Chinese, and this is not just limited to badminton. The sports associations must look at what is to be improved to create world beaters. The Chinese and the Western World are very good at this. Malaysia's own World Squash Queen was trained in Holland.
Why is that when CHN wins, you often attribute it in part to mental strength? When they lose, it's not due to a lack of it? Come on, how can non-CHn players win titles if they don't have mental strength?
One thing we know for sure:CHN do their homework thoroughly. In IO07,cy/fhf anticipated MAS MDs' net shots and killed quite a few,to MAS surprise. It seems CHN MD memorise MAS MDs' play like CJ memorise top non-CHN MS play, so MAS really has to play to mislead the CHN computer a bit.