Thomas cup predictions

[badMania]

TC : Indonesia might just take it this time around, the kelam kabut situation in the setup has ceased.
Uber : Waiting for Korea to pull their 'weird' line up again, who knows what will happen, he he.

We are realistic about our chances. Honestly, Team INA will aim for a runner-up position. To regain the Thomas Cup will take some enormous efforts from ALL the players, including those suspected of suffering from nerves in big-games like Simon Santoso.

The ideal situation:
Denmark to beat China eventually, after 2 failed attempts (if INA can't reach the Final :D). By keeping Peter Gade as second singles, they might have a good chance, as long as both doubles win their matches.

[badMania]

and what about TH vs CY in SF Ina 06? a good chat!
is that a good sportsmanship of the OG & WC champion?

Talking about sportsmanship....didn't Lin Dan himself complain about the
"biased" refeering that somewhat favored the Korean player in his first match in China Open 2007 ;)? LOL....he actually expected the home linemen to favor home players :eek:

U want more examples?? What about Lin Dan's tantrums in the MO 2006 and the now infamous "throwing racket incident" just recently?

[badMania]

Malaysia fans, don't "involved" in this arguing about who is the best between China and Indonesia.

MALAYSIA :
never won a single gold in OG
never won a single title in WC (behind Sweden, USA, Jpn and etc):D
never won Uber Cup
never won Sudirman Cup

SO, KEEP QUIET, MALAYSIA FANS.

LOL...u are touching the nerves of many ppl here :eek:

We don't even proclaim that we are the best right now :o There's only one guy here crowing about Team China being the best here, the best there....tsk tsk tsk :rolleyes:

[huangkwokhau]

I see JADE IMPERIAL ...............:p:p

[jchan04]

Denmark FOR THE WIN!!!!

[abedeng]

LOL...u are touching the nerves of many ppl here :eek:

We don't even proclaim that we are the best right now :o There's only one guy here crowing about Team China being the best here, the best there....tsk tsk tsk :rolleyes:

Guys,

Since Winston_T was replying to me, I suppose it was my remarks that have hit his nerves ..... fortunately I am now too old to lose my temper, too thick skinned to bother replying back to him, and too neutral (ahem) :eek::p to simply be called a Malaysian Fan.

But achievements of past teams and players should not be dragged into disrepute. Neither should current teams be glorified before they show championship pedigree.

[koo_fan]

Malaysia fans, don't "involved" in this arguing about who is the best between China and Indonesia.

MALAYSIA :
never won a single gold in OG
never won a single title in WC (behind Sweden, USA, Jpn and etc):D
never won Uber Cup
never won Sudirman Cup

SO, KEEP QUIET, MALAYSIA FANS.
to againts China,Mas n Indo will unite.U've seen it here.
Get used to this.

C'mon Indo.More facts.

[badadum]

Hmm, both chinese-indonesian, one support his country, the other bashed it like no other. Maybe oneis babah, while the other is totok?

[tommy_bun]

We don't even proclaim that we are the best right now :o There's only one guy here crowing about Team China being the best here, the best there....tsk tsk tsk :rolleyes:
I hope thats not me:D:):p

[hollywood_t]

Hey V3,

I checked the Thomas Cup rules/regulations and indeed the countries do have to field a team order that is consistent w/ the world rankings of the players. So no stacking the 3rd singles. The best does face the best.

If the players have been inactive or do not have a world ranking (new doubles team) then their relative strength will be assessed by ibf and an order established based on that.

Food for thought also is that the playing order will be 1st Singles, 1st doubles, 2nd singles, 2nd doubles and 3rd singles unless there are special cicrumstances. Mostly, this would be for a player that plays in both singles and doubles to avoid playing two consecutive matches.

So, u are probably right that PG would net get to play even if he legally could be fielded as 3rd singles. Denmark would likely have to win both doubles for force a 2-2 tie and a 3rd singles decider.

But for now based on rankings, PG has to play 2nd singles and face Bao, so actually a decent chance for a point. If Denmark can get a point in doubles their 3rd singles would face Chen Jin. A tough play.




If Peter fielded 3rd, then most probably he wont get a chance to play at all. And this is not fun at all.

I would like to see every country with their strongest lineup according to the ranking especially Malaysia.

[hollywood_t]

Well based on the regs and ranking Peter Gade will have to play 2nd singles unless he overtakes Kenneth in the rankings or Kenneth does not play the tie. Team order has to reflect strength of world rankings.

What might be interesting to see is if China will play the rankings game and push Chen Jin higher than Bao. On second thought would be too costly against non Danish teams. No real advantage against Kor and Malaysia and disadvantage vs. INA & Taufik. But would create a nightmare for PG.





The ideal situation:
Denmark to beat China eventually, after 2 failed attempts (if INA can't reach the Final :D). By keeping Peter Gade as second singles, they might have a good chance, as long as both doubles win their matches.

[abedeng]

Peter and Kenneth both have a chance to upstage Bao. But the key is the doubles, they must beat CHN opponents. In this case, I would prefer the two relatively younger pairs and not Eriksen/Lundgaard. Even though they did beat Cai/Fu in Denmark.

As hollywood_t says, CHN might just plan out a CJ placement at 2nd singles, but even then, if Peter retakes the top singles spot from Kenneth, Kenneth still has a decent chance against CJ.

[Winston_T]

What about Lin Dan's tantrums in the MO 2006 and the now infamous "throwing racket incident" just recently?

and what about the dispute between TH in Busan AG 02?
TH also ever hit the spectators.
is this good?

[Winston_T]

Talking about sportsmanship....didn't Lin Dan himself complain about the
"biased" refeering that somewhat favored the Korean player in his first match in China Open 2007 ;)? LOL....he actually expected the home linemen to favor home players :eek:


if the other host player receives “helps” from line judge & umpire, what’s wrong if LD expect the same thing?

LHI vs TH (Kor 06)
TH vs CY ( Ina 06
TH vs BCL (Ina 06)
LCW vs PGC (Mal 06)
LCW vs LD (Mal 06)
Simon vs BCL (Ina 06)
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anyway, TH has no sportsmanship.

During SF AG 06, against LCW, when the score was 20-18 or 20-19, TH’s shot was “out”. he knows that too. U can look his expression (he was disappointed). But, the umpire called it “in”. after that, he smiles.

also when TH vs PSH (in Korea 08?). Actually it is the same with TH vs LCW.

the other evidence, when TH vs PSH in Sudirman Cup 07. an “extra 2-3 points” for TH bcoz of the “score board error”. PSH protested about it, but the referee ignored it. No comment from TH, but if he is gentleman, absolutely he must …

[Winston_T]

During SF AG 06, against LCW, when the score was 20-18 or 20-19, TH’s shot was “out”. he knows that too. U can look his expression (he was disappointed). But, the umpire called it “in”. after that, he smiles.


If the match goes into rubber – sets, can he win the match?

Let say, TH got the final ticket (I’m very sure it will be a tight match till the end of the 3rd set, just like JO 07; 21-19, 19-21, 21-19). Consider he was extremely exhausted compare to LD, can he win the final match?

He must thanks to the umpire and line judge, so he can win the match with straight sets.

[badMania]

if the other host player receives “helps” from line judge & umpire, what’s wrong if LD expect the same thing?


LOL....absolutely cute reply from our dear Winston as always. Good...keep them coming dude :D

[Winston_T]

LOL....absolutely cute reply from our dear Winston as always. Good...keep them coming dude :D

u can't deny the fact that Ina & Mas organizer wants their player to win a title. Mal 06 & Ina 06 are the best example!

[badMania]

u can't deny the fact that Ina & Mas organizer wants their player to win a title. Mal 06 & Ina 06 are the best example!

Almost every organizer will want their players to win titles (if possible) :cool: That will of course include Indonesia, Malaysia, China (don't deny that), Hong Kong, Korea, etc. So, a certain degree of "bias" from the organizer is certainly instilled into players and coaches' mind before they enter a particular tourney.

However, the most obvious and blatant linecalls happened in the China Open 2007 and Korea Open 2008. I don't think ppl can deny that too (which includes Chinese fans if you look at chinabadminton.com) :cool:;)

[ratu-buaya]

So the point is most country do the biased calls no matter it's just an ordinary bias, or which country is more biased or the most biased.
@ badmania,dont be so anti china.When ur player are helped with the biased calls,will you be this strict????

[badadum]

Man, just like a bug, you keep on swatting them down (with facts), they keep on coming (with more wild accusations). Sad really...

[huangkwokhau]

I have told you...at the end this guy will thrash TH...just like last year.......dont entertain him anymore......

[LazyBuddy]

What might be interesting to see is if China will play the rankings game and push Chen Jin higher than Bao. On second thought would be too costly against non Danish teams. No real advantage against Kor and Malaysia and disadvantage vs. INA & Taufik. But would create a nightmare for PG.


Been out of the news world for a while. However, with fairly weaker 3rd MS from the rest of the world (Dane in this case), can CHN put CJ for 2nd, and add CY (if no injury) or even CH (if he's still in decent shape and willing to go) to be the 3rd MS instead when facing Danes? Then, insert Bao back to 2nd when face others.

Of course, benching Bao might be a waste for most of the teams, but consider the CHN MS depth, I think the 3rd MS is pretty much a sure point in most cases. :rolleyes:

[Tommy Susanto]

See also Here (http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=51908&page=2);):eek::crying::confused::rolleyes::p:D

[Tommy Susanto]

See also Here (http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=51908&page=2);):eek::crying::confused::rolleyes::p:D

Here comes the next question: Will MAS somehow find another way to screw up yet another TC campaign like the one mentioned above?:crying::crying::crying:

MAS badminton history:-
Pros:
Good support from its BA and government
Good coaching setups-remember Rexy:eek:
Sport Science:pand adequate facility
Solid badminton history and exposure if not better than CHN and INA
Excellent fan base

Cons:
Too much politics
Team MAS cannot put the lone interest(win TC i.e.)all together
Fans cannot unite as one(as a result outsiders take it for granted, as seen so many times in this forum)
How much do they(namely LCW & KKK/TBH) want the TC?

Did i miss anything:oLet the discussion begins:pTake it away folks:D

[wilfredlgf]

Did i miss anything:oLet the discussion begins:pTake it away folks:DCan we win it? Yes we CAN!

[takeshi]

I think Msia have thin chance of winning because Msia have only 1 strong pair and 1 strong single. I don't think other singles & doubles can make any upset.
We have strongest lineup during 2006 but flop.

[wilfredlgf]

I think Msia have thin chance of winning because Msia have only 1 strong pair and 1 strong single. I don't think other singles & doubles can make any upset.
We have strongest lineup during 2006 but flop.Good to know you understand the difference between 'thin' and 'zero'.

'Zero' is like the UAE - they don't participate (or normally make it beyond the quarterfinals) in the Thomas Cup, hence not a chance in the world to win it.

Thin is like Singapore (if they make it) - because they are going to actually be in the running to win it in the finals but would be up against far superior teams.

[Winston_T]

if the other host player receives “helps” from line judge & umpire, what’s wrong if LD expect the same thing?

[quote=badMania;798945]LOL....absolutely cute reply from our dear Winston as always. Good...keep them coming dude :D

we just follows the trend. so whats wrong with it?

[koo_fan]

Good to know you understand the difference between 'thin' and 'zero'.

'Zero' is like the UAE - they don't participate (or normally make it beyond the quarterfinals) in the Thomas Cup, hence not a chance in the world to win it.

Thin is like Singapore (if they make it) - because they are going to actually be in the running to win it in the finals but would be up against far superior teams.
Having some kind of fans can turn the 'thin' chance to 'zero' chance.
unfortunately...

[koo_fan]

[quote=Winston_T;798919]


we just follows the trend. so whats wrong with it?

yes.yes.nothing wrong.
With the exception of ur boastful words,i'll say u are saying the truth.

China is sitting on their own level.If they want to win,nobody can be in their way.The best team win.hard to say this if we are having china in Thomas Cup.harder when they are having the hunger to win again n again.

as an Asian,im happy.as a malaysian..u know how i felt.

[fabcargo]

[quote=Winston_T;798919]if the other host player receives “helps” from line judge & umpire, what’s wrong if LD expect the same thing?



we just follows the trend. so whats wrong with it?

By the way do you know JADEIMPERIAL? who owns a chinese restaurant in Surabaya of the same name??

[fabcargo]

china beat ina in jkt 2004...why not now??...homeground advantage is not good for ina..
for next year it will be:

LIN DAN beat taufik...statistic prove it
BAO CHUNLAI beat sony...statistic prove it
FU HAIFENG / CAI YUN beat kido hendra...they'll show who's the best
XIE ZHONGBO / GUO ZHENDONG beat luluk and alven...statistic prove it
CHEN JIN beat simon...statistic prove it

Please just go to china......I am waiting for you here comrade!!!

[huangkwokhau]

Haha..I guess we know pretty much who Winston-T is....hehe..
Yes...same topic...good job Fabcargo

[Oldhand]

Quite enlightening, revealing, etc, etc...
...but let's keep it to the Thomas Cup, folks ;)

[chandler_k04]

Hmm, both chinese-indonesian, one support his country, the other bashed it like no other. Maybe oneis babah, while the other is totok?


I get this one...:)

[leeyco78]

Please just go to china......I am waiting for you here comrade!!!
OK now that it's almost finish AEO 08 and there are not many tournaments left anymore to improve on rankings, therefore...

According to latest ranking my predictions could be...

CHN INA MAS DEN KOR
1st single - Lin Dan - Sony DK - Lee CW - Keneth J - Lee HI
2nd single - Bao CL - Taufik H - Wong CH - Peter G - Park SH
3rd single - Chen Jin - Simon S - Hafiz - Joachim - Shon SM
Reserve - Chen Yu - Andre K - Lee TS??? - ??? - Lee Cheol-ho
1st Double - Cai/Fu - MK/HS - Koo/Tan - JE/MLH - JJS/LYD
2nd Double - GZD/XZB - AY/LH - CTF/LWW - LP/JR - LJJ/HJM
Reserve - Zheng Bo Candra W - ??? - - MB/CM - HSH/CGW
He Han Bin Limpele F

Possibility of reaching finals:-

CHina - 98%
Indonesia - 60%
Malaysia - 50%
Denmark - 45%
Korea - 40%

Analysis:-
MAS Vs KOR
Past record shows that Malaysia has always lost (even in the preliminary rounds) to Korea/Denmark b4..... If this time Mas VS Kor, it will be 50-50% match - (korea might reshuffle their doubles to confuse our players)

MAS VS INA (40 -60)
Indonesia has homeground advantage. On paper, our 2nd & 3rd singles looks fragile. Simon Santoso have been vast improvement.

MAS VS DEN (50-50)
We will have good chance in taking the 1st single & 1st doubles, but the rest looks shaky. If they have to meet I got a feeling one of our doubles will loose.

MAS VS CHN (this will only happen in finals as MAS is certainly to be seeded 2)
If all goes well, MAS in finals, 3-0 to China (unless miracle happens like in 1992). So far that kind of scenario seldom happen especially in a team event, compared to individual event where u see upsets alot.

** China can still shuffle their 2nd doubles, they could pair up Zheng Bo & Xie Zhongbo...
*** Indon will be getting Chandra Wijaya (confirmed) & most probably Limpele Flandy for their 3rd doubles slot. They could reshuffle their 2nd doubles also. You never know.

So this Thomas Cup will be an interesting speculation this time, in the change of some team rankings.

[Shifty]

my predictions is that New Zealand will clean sweep the Thomas Cup and annihilate China, Malaysia, Indonesia and Denmark, whoever they play. that is if they can get the funding from the government, or can pay for the air travel to indonesia

[Tommy Susanto]

He said, "Politics is like termites eating up the physical structure of a building":)

[limsy]

i m new here...i juz 1 2 say 2 winston tat...in malaysia open 2006,since in the 3rd set of 13-20,none of the point was argueable!!!...go check ur eyes n watch the match again...u can find them in youtube...

if yes,y didnt lin dan stop the game n start 2 throw the racket 2 limao???:D

he throw the racket after the game end bcz he dare not believe wat was happening...this is the classic of the 21-points scoring system in the eye of many profesional...dont think tat onli with the help of line judges then ur world no.1 juz will lose a consecutive 8 points to 21-20 in the championship points...malaysia open is not neither korea open /hong kong open nor china open...if not...why lcw will lose 2 bcl in 2007 MO???...use ur brain n think abt it...no 1 is complaining MO as KO/HKO/CO did...

mayb u wil think tat when lindan against PSH in MO(2004 n 2007),the line jugde is korean izit???:D....lindan is not unbeatable...against LHI in KO 2008 final,after the throwing racket show...22-21he still manage 2 smash 2 point 2 22-23 then juz he lost...so...tat biased line jugde doesnt help LHI 2 win the title...it was lin dan whom smash 2 the net...:D

[yen_saw]

It is difficult to dislodge top seed China for now as their players are at their peak warming up to the Beijing Olympic game, and their age is just ripe for this TC. They were trained under constant distraction of audience booing. Winning the TC in 2004 Jakarta from badminton craze Indonesian crowd proved that they can hold their nerve under pressure. Imagine beating Indonesia 5:0 in front of the home crowd back in 2004 TC, if there is a team capable of doing it again, it will be China. However, i can foresee trouble in chinese team after players like LD and BCL retired, although time is on their side to produce more players like CJ as both LD and BCL have another good 3-5 years to go. Anyway, back to the topic *slap on the head*, yeah, Indonesia vs China final is very likely IMHO.

[Polar Bear]

The Chinese team is going to win easily. The only way they lose is if their opponet in the semi-finals shows up wearing team China jerseys and triggers the "walk over reflex".

[koo_fan]

The Chinese team is going to win easily. The only way they lose is if their opponet in the semi-finals shows up wearing team China jerseys and triggers the "walk over reflex".
Sad to say..but that the picture we can get from latest situations.

[Winston_T]

i m new here...i juz 1 2 say 2 winston tat...in malaysia open 2006,since in the 3rd set of 13-20,none of the point was argueable!!!...go check ur eyes n watch the match again...u can find them in youtube...

if yes,y didnt lin dan stop the game n start 2 throw the racket 2 limao???:D

he throw the racket after the game end bcz he dare not believe wat was happening...this is the classic of the 21-points scoring system in the eye of many profesional...dont think tat onli with the help of line judges then ur world no.1 juz will lose a consecutive 8 points to 21-20 in the championship points...malaysia open is not neither korea open /hong kong open nor china open...if not...why lcw will lose 2 bcl in 2007 MO???...use ur brain n think abt it...no 1 is complaining MO as KO/HKO/CO did...

mayb u wil think tat when lindan against PSH in MO(2004 n 2007),the line jugde is korean izit???:D....lindan is not unbeatable...against LHI in KO 2008 final,after the throwing racket show...22-21he still manage 2 smash 2 point 2 22-23 then juz he lost...so...tat biased line jugde doesnt help LHI 2 win the title...it was lin dan whom smash 2 the net...:D

LD lost the first set (18-21) bcoz of the bad calls.



Bad line calls happen all the time, and it happens in every single tournament and every single country.
Malaysia Open 2006, the 1st set of the final between LD and LCW, and the first point after halfway interval was so obviously a bad call favoring LCW... so did LD cry about bad line calls, especially since he lost the match at the end?

[koo_fan]

LD lost the first set (18-21) bcoz of the bad calls.
Never expected that excuse from die-hard fan from china
Look for another solid excuse.

[Tommy Susanto]

Relax and enjoy this one (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijLOYia649E&feature=related):D

[limsy]

can any country 2 bet china in thomas???...

malaysia, indonesia n korea have a small chances 2 win

lcw,th,lhi n their 2 national md must win 2 win over china...so...the score wil b malaysia/indonesia/korea3-1china...

i cant c denmark stand a chances...they mayb can bet malaysia/indonesia or korea in semi but sure lost against china...

[Krisna]

can any country 2 bet china in thomas???...

malaysia, indonesia n korea have a small chances 2 win

lcw,th,lhi n their 2 national md must win 2 win over china...so...the score wil b malaysia/indonesia/korea3-1china...

i cant c denmark stand a chances...they mayb can bet malaysia/indonesia or korea in semi but sure lost against china...

INA has the best chance to beat CHN... 30% chance! Why? Because Taufik, Sony, Kido-Hendra, Luluk-Alvent, all have good shots at winning their matches. [I can't surely say they will win... :p they are playing against Lin Dan, Bao Chunlai, Cai-Fu, and Guo-Xie... :p ]

All other countries have less than 30% chance of winning against China's Thomas Cup team... :p :D

And you're right if INA/MAS/KOR/DEN want to win, then the score will most likely be 3-1. If it goes to the last single, uuuhhhmmmm... I see very little chance any of our countries' 3rd MS can beat the 2008 All England Champ, Chen Jin [unless he is very unfit or injured].

[Winston_T]

INA has the best chance to beat CHN... 30% chance! Why? Because Taufik, Sony, Kido-Hendra, Luluk-Alvent, all have good shots at winning their matches. [I can't surely say they will win... :p they are playing against Lin Dan, Bao Chunlai, Cai-Fu, and Guo-Xie... :p ]

All other countries have less than 30% chance of winning against China's Thomas Cup team... :p :D

And you're right if INA/MAS/KOR/DEN want to win, then the score will most likely be 3-1. If it goes to the last single, uuuhhhmmmm... I see very little chance any of our countries' 3rd MS can beat the 2008 All England Champ, Chen Jin [unless he is very unfit or injured].

Ina will be the toughest one, together with Malaysia.

[vching]

China is certainly going into the Thomas Cup as the favorites, but I don't think they are that strong. The latests developments are throwing more and more factors in. This is why I have ceased to make predictions on the Thomas Cup on my blog. Who thought Foo Kok Keong would have beaten Allan? Who would have thought that Hafiz would have beat Bao Chunlai? Who would have thought Indonesia would be beaten in the semifinals of the 04 Thomas Cup? Who thought Tsuen Seng would have beaten Taufik?

The point I am trying to make is, Thomas Cup is not your ordinary tournament. The pressure and glory associated with it can give some players extraordinary strength or break some players. Thomas Cup is a team tournament, which is a whole new ball (or should I say, shuttle) game. That is why I prefer Hafiz as the third Men's Singles. He might be a yoyo, but he is the best candidate, yes, even above more experienced players like Tsuen Seng. Hafiz is a strong team player. For whatever reason.

With 2 more months to go, I still think it is premature to make predictions, despite of me doing it 6 months ago :P. The performance of players in 2008 is marginally different with their performance in 2007, from what I can observe.

[vching]

Again, I emphasize the fact that in individual tournaments, China would be invincible. However, Thomas Cup is not an individual tournament. Chen Jin might be one of the best singles players in the world, but how about going into the tie with everything resting on your game? How about going into the match 2-0 down? Can the presumptive 2nd MS, Bao Chunlai handle the pressure? In ordinary situations, he might kick ass, but in Thomas Cup, the thought of losing isn't only associated with YOU losing, its your TEAM losing the cup. It would be seen as YOUR fault that your country lost the Thomas Cup. This can cause players to break down.

One more factor is that Indonesian fans are crazy (I mean it in a good way). They can make any player's legs turn to jelly. I only pray that there will be a credible opposition and lots of security. I love seeing fans of opposing teams try to outcheer each other. With the draw, it is likely that Malaysia and Indonesia will be on opposing sides of the draw. Hopefully we will see a Indonesia-Malaysia final. This would certainly evoke many old memories of me in primary school or pre-school watching Malaysia duel Indonesia right into the night, together with my parents, with the whole neighborhood awake.

[koo_fan]

Vching,i got ur point.
Tell me,Is there any chance for china to do match-fixing once again?

[vching]

Vching,i got ur point.
Tell me,Is there any chance for china to do match-fixing once again?

I don't think China will be able to match fix in Thomas Cup - They are always going to play players from another country.

However, the key strategy for many teams is their arrangement of players. If Malaysia has real confidence in their doubles, then I forsee a situation where Lee Chong Wei is field as 2nd or 3rd Men's Singles to complement their doubles points. However, Malaysia's current condition of shuttlers don't allow this situation.

[vching]

my analysis from my blog:



You are probably wondering whether The Badminton Blog has gone AWOL. No, it hasn't. The Badminton Blog is just working on bringing its readers a live telecast to its readers. Be patient :).

Anyway, after vowing not to make any more predictions for the Thomas Cup, I have decided to analyze Malaysia's position.

Malaysia has lost the reliability of a crucial pair Koo Kien Keat and Tan Boon Heong. They have failed to beyond the second round of any tournament this year, and has dropped steadily down th rankings. This certainly doesn't help Malaysia's cause. Once viewed as unbeatable, this pair seem to have hit a few snags.

On the brighter side, Choong Tan Fook and Lee Wan Wah have stood up and seem be back in form. However, I still think they would be fielded as the second singles regardless of their rankings (a country does not have to follow the official ranking in fielding players in positions). I will explain this later.

Lee Chong Wei's surprisingly tame defeat in the hands of Lin Dan puts Malaysia in an even tougher position.

How, how, how to put together a credible team?

This is how Malaysia should do it.

Field Koo and Tan as MD1. Koo and Tan may lose to lesser pairs, but I have no doubt that they have a better chance at beating Cai/Fu, Jung/Lee and Kido/Setiawan than Tan Fook and Wan Wah. Tan Fook and Wan Wah will fare better against the 2nd Men's Doubles of the badminton powers. Hwang/Lee, Guo/Xie and Yulianto/Hadiyanto. They have a better chance of beating them than the premier pairs. After all, a point is still a point, no matter if its the MD1 or the MD2 point.

Now we are left with the Chong Wei, Hafiz and Choong Hann trio. To arrange the also require strategizing nothing short of Sun Tze's Art of War. Chong Wei, presumably will beat Taufik and Hyun Il, but cannot beat Lin Dan. Hafiz is a strong team player, but he is still a 'yoyo'. Choong Hann is unpredictable, but nevertheless reliable. So what to do with them?



full article:The Badminton Blog - Thomas Cup 2008 Analysis (http://thebadmintonblog.blogspot.com/2008/03/thomas-cup-2008-analysis.html)

[jimbo]

Arguebly the dream team now, I do not see how the Great Wall will collapse. Notably only two non-CHN players, namely LCW and TH, could beat MS1 LinDan. Based on the MS2(BCL) and MS3(CJ), virtually NO other non-CHN MS2 and MS3 could match them. Certainly I dont see LYB gonna impose his "dirty" trick of match fixings here (btw, what is there to match-fix?) :eek:

The MD1, though has been inconsistant, I still see them as a world beater. IMHO, they are still as strong as INA, Korea and Msia MD1. So, it's still a 50-50 chance for CHN to win this point.

The only way to crack the Great Wall is to steal a point from LinDan and two points from MDs. A tall order, I must say :rolleyes:

[koo_fan]

Good one.vching.
i focused on a part.

i think kkk/tbh is getting better with a new attitude.They start from zero now.Rexy wanted them to be nobody once again.All new.
Will they suprised us again?I hope so.

[abedeng]

INA has the best chance, by virtue of Taufik playing in 2nd singles with the 2 in form MD. Top that with crowd and possibly the majority of BF forummers support if they go all the way to final. Despite losing his edge against Bao, who knows what the TC atmosphere can do to Taufik. Sony might surprise but it is difficult to gauge his form.

KOR has the next best chance, Park and Lee will give CHN top 2 a lot of trouble, but their MD must show their worth against CHN MD. As impressive as KOR MD are, they have always struggled against CHN MD.

MAS has the 3rd best chance, but it requires herculean effort from LCW and the 2 MDs. Unfortunately, the MAS uncles are now ranked no 1, which is no good when playing CHN. They could bench uncles and play the fuzzy pair in 2nd doubles, but that's a huge gamble.

DEN is the final team with a chance, but beset by ageing squad. The key is on them winning the 2nd singles (possible) and take both doubles (unlikely). I hope to see Boe/Mogensen in one of the two doubles, and bench the Danish uncles. No disrespect to them, of course.

Either way, all 4 teams must win before the final 3rd singles tie. Not likely to happen, and Krisna is right to put 30% chance as the best for the teams.

[Winston_T]

Vching,i got ur point.
Tell me,Is there any chance for china to do match-fixing once again?

only 1 CHN team in TC 08.
surely, no match - fixing.
if Malaysia agree to lose to CHN, as a part of match - fixing, so it is good. very good!
I really like this one.

[Winston_T]

Arguebly the dream team now, I do not see how the Great Wall will collapse. Notably only two non-CHN players, namely LCW and TH, could beat MS1 LinDan. Based on the MS2(BCL) and MS3(CJ), virtually NO other non-CHN MS2 and MS3 could match them. Certainly I dont see LYB gonna impose his "dirty" trick of match fixings here (btw, what is there to match-fix?) :eek:

The MD1, though has been inconsistant, I still see them as a world beater. IMHO, they are still as strong as INA, Korea and Msia MD1. So, it's still a 50-50 chance for CHN to win this point.

The only way to crack the Great Wall is to steal a point from LinDan and two points from MDs. A tall order, I must say :rolleyes:

I agree with the first one, but not the second one.
only two non - CHN players, LCW & PSH.

[Winston_T]

The only way to crack the Great Wall is to steal a point from LinDan and two points from MDs. A tall order, I must say :rolleyes:

my friend, it is tougher to steal a point from LD, compare to BCL & CJ.

[taufik-ist]

my friend, it is tougher to steal a point from LD, compare to BCL & CJ.

ya ... it's very tough... but who knows.. :D LD is not unbeatable :D

[badMania]

ya ... it's very tough... but who knows.. :D LD is not unbeatable :D

INA will be banking on Taufik Hidayat as the MS2 (he can beat Park Sung Hwan and either Wong Choong Hann or Mohd Hafiz Hashim). Coupled with top performances from our 2 MDs, who knows, we might even nab a surprise win over China. But, realistically, we are aiming to do better than the previous 2 Thomas Cup, which is to enter the Final!

[jimbo]

my friend, it is tougher to steal a point from LD, compare to BCL & CJ.

Msia MS1 (LCW) has 40-60 chance to beat LD, but MS2 (WCH) and MS3 (Hafiz) has virtually 0-100 chance to beat BCL and CJ!!! :eek: :rolleyes:

[jimbo]

INA will be banking on Taufik Hidayat as the MS2 (he can beat Park Sung Hwan and either Wong Choong Hann or Mohd Hafiz Hashim). Coupled with top performances from our 2 MDs, who knows, we might even nab a surprise win over China. But, realistically, we are aiming to do better than the previous 2 Thomas Cup, which is to enter the Final!

Yes, this is the only possible scenario where the Great Wall would collapse. TH plays extremely well in JKT and it's a 50-50 against BCL. If he is able to steal a point, and the MD1 and MD2 might chalk up the winning points. If INA is to win, it will be 3-1. If it drags till MS3 (CJ vs Simon), it's as good as "game over" for INA :eek:

[CLELY]

INA will be banking on Taufik Hidayat as the MS2 (he can beat Park Sung Hwan and either Wong Choong Hann or Mohd Hafiz Hashim). Coupled with top performances from our 2 MDs, who knows, we might even nab a surprise win over China. But, realistically, we are aiming to do better than the previous 2 Thomas Cup, which is to enter the Final!

Yeah, the ideal MS position for INA Thomas team is Sony-TH-Simon as MS1, MS2 and MS3 respectively with assumption TH has bigger chance to grab one point against 2nd MS from any team compare than Sony. To realize that line-up, TH may skip ABC next month as he won it last year?!

[taufik-ist]

INA will be banking on Taufik Hidayat as the MS2 (he can beat Park Sung Hwan and either Wong Choong Hann or Mohd Hafiz Hashim). Coupled with top performances from our 2 MDs, who knows, we might even nab a surprise win over China. But, realistically, we are aiming to do better than the previous 2 Thomas Cup, which is to enter the Final!

ya.. PBSI will likely put sony as MS1, they will send sony to Asian championship 2008 and 'save' taufik.

[badMania]

Yeah, the ideal MS position for INA Thomas team is Sony-TH-Simon as MS1, MS2 and MS3 respectively with assumption TH has bigger chance to grab one point against 2nd MS from any team compare than Sony. To realize that line-up, TH may skip ABC next month as he won it last year?!

Yup...Sony will definitely be in the ABC, while Taufik...hmm....hard to say :cool:

[taufik-ist]

Yup...Sony will definitely be in the ABC, while Taufik...hmm....hard to say :cool:

i read in bola newspaper... it seems they won't send TH to the ABC... i believe PBSI want to make sony as MS1... it's a good gambling... if sony wins, ina's chance to win will be higher.. if sony loses, ina still have a chance to win :rolleyes: :cool: :D

[jimbo]

ya.. PBSI will likely put sony as MS1, they will send sony to Asian championship 2008 and 'save' taufik.

Just curious if ABC offers any OG08 points? If yes, would it put Taufik into jeapordy of not getting good seeding? If no, PBSI probably will "rest" him and hoping he will be "garang(fierce)" during Thomas Cup :p:D

[jimbo]

i read in bola newspaper... it seems they won't send TH to the ABC... i believe PBSI want to make sony as MS1... it's a good gambling... if sony wins, ina's chance to win will be higher.. if sony loses, ina still have a chance to win :rolleyes: :cool: :D

IMHO, Sony has virtually no chance of winning the ABC or Thomas cup against LD :rolleyes: Unless... unless... the INA supporters "rock" the stadium :eek::p

[taufik-ist]

Just curious if ABC offers any OG08 points? If yes, would it put Taufik into jeapordy of not getting good seeding? If no, PBSI probably will "rest" him and hoping he will be "garang(fierce)" during Thomas Cup :p:D

TH (PBSI ?) doesn't care about good/bad seeding in OG08... it depends on TH.. if he 'prepares' well , (i believe) he will win gold medal in OG08

[badMania]

TH (PBSI ?) doesn't care about good/bad seeding in OG08... it depends on TH.. if he 'prepares' well , (i believe) he will win gold medal in OG08

Yup...I agree. If Taufik is fully motivated just for the Thomas Cup & Olympics, it will suit PBSI too.

[jimbo]

TH (PBSI ?) doesn't care about good/bad seeding in OG08... it depends on TH.. if he 'prepares' well , (i believe) he will win gold medal in OG08

You may be wrong here. It's EXTREMELY important to get a good seeding to avoid the top guns. Sometimes, you need a little bit of luck (good draw) to win big tourney :)

[jimbo]

Yup...I agree. If Taufik is fully motivated just for the Thomas Cup & Olympics, it will suit PBSI too.

Has Taufik won Thomas Cup? Hmm... I cant recall :D

[abedeng]

Yes he has, in 2000 and 2002.

[taufik-ist]

Has Taufik won Thomas Cup? Hmm... I cant recall :D

OMG... i'm curious how old are you ? :D :D

where were you in 2000 ?, thomas/uber cup was held in malaysia.

ina defeated china in the final of thomas cup 2000 with 3-0, and TH was the hero, he bt jipeng to make ina win 3-0 and then ina won thomas cup 2002 and TH has been a member of ina thomascup squad since year 2000:D :p :p

[jimbo]

Yes he has, in 2000 and 2002.

Thanks for clarification. Perhaps he has little motivation now :eek::crying:

[jimbo]

OMG... i'm curious how old are you ? :D :D

where were you in 2000 ?, thomas/uber cup was held in malaysia.

ina defeated china in the final of thomas cup 2000 with 3-0, and TH was the hero, he bt jipeng to make ina win 3-0 and then ina won thomas cup 2002 and TH has been a member of ina thomascup squad since year 2000:D :p :p

Sorry, I was not in this part of the world (Asia) in 2000 :p So I missed out the Thomas Cup 2000 :crying: Glad he did win twice, my hero n fav player!!! :D

[badMania]

Has Taufik won Thomas Cup? Hmm... I cant recall :D

Of course he has :cool:

[Winston_T]

Yeah, the ideal MS position for INA Thomas team is Sony-TH-Simon as MS1, MS2 and MS3 respectively with assumption TH has bigger chance to grab one point against 2nd MS from any team compare than Sony. To realize that line-up, TH may skip ABC next month as he won it last year?!



if SDK reach at least QF stage in ABC 08, who will be Ina MS1?

[Winston_T]

OMG... i'm curious how old are you ? :D :D

where were you in 2000 ?, thomas/uber cup was held in malaysia.

ina defeated china in the final of thomas cup 2000 with 3-0, and TH was the hero, he bt jipeng to make ina win 3-0 and then ina won thomas cup 2002 and TH has been a member of ina thomascup squad since year 2000:D :p :p

Ji Xin Peng, my friend.

[Winston_T]

OMG... i'm curious how old are you ? :D :D

where were you in 2000 ?, thomas/uber cup was held in malaysia.

ina defeated china in the final of thomas cup 2000 with 3-0, and TH was the hero, he bt jipeng to make ina win 3-0 and then ina won thomas cup 2002 and TH has been a member of ina thomascup squad since year 2000:D :p :p

travelling :D:D:D

[Winston_T]

something interesting about Taufik, he never won Thomas Cup if he is MS1

TC 2000: he beat JXP in the final
TC 2002: he lost to MAS MS2 (Lee Tsuen Seng?) despite Ina still win

[Winston_T]

ya ... it's very tough... but who knows.. :D LD is not unbeatable :D

I meant, it's easier to get point against BCL & CJ (bcoz they aren't so consistent) compare to LD

[Winston_T]

If we look at the history of Olympic Mens single gold... we can observe that it has never been won by a member of that year's winning Thomas cup team. It will be interesting to see which team wins the Thomas cup this year.

we are eager to make another history!

ALL ENGLAND, THOMAS CUP, and the OLYMPICS GOLD in the same year!

[Krisna]

Of course he has :cool:

TH won the Thomas Cup in 2000 and 2002... ;) So, he has won as many Thomas Cups as Lin Dan [2004 and 2006]... :p

[koo_fan]

TH won the Thomas Cup in 2000 and 2002... ;) So, he has won as many Thomas Cups as Lin Dan [2004 and 2006]... :p
The memory of taufik hidayat as the world best player ever will never erode.

I hope he can show something to her natarina before he walk away from the court forever.

[taufik-ist]

we are eager to make another history!

ALL ENGLAND, THOMAS CUP, and the OLYMPICS GOLD in the same year!

i write down..man :D

hoping they don't 'slip' :D

[taufik-ist]

travelling :D:D:D

if not mistaken... the post you replied above is for JIMBO :eek: :D

[taufik-ist]

Ji Xin Peng, my friend.

sorry....i forgot one word :D

[jimbo]

we are eager to make another history!

ALL ENGLAND, THOMAS CUP, and the OLYMPICS GOLD in the same year!

If CHN dont sweep Thomas/Uber Cup and OG08 Gold, it will be a big disaster. I expect them to sweep all except MD :eek: Go go INA and Kimchi :D

[ronnie14]

i love all ur quarrels.. winston T, did u major in drama or theatre in school? man, you`re damn good :)

[CLELY]

if SDK reach at least QF stage in ABC 08, who will be Ina MS1?

Without attendance in ABC GP Gold, TH will lose many points (7000). Meanwhile SDK will get 4900 ranking points if he enters quarter. You can calculate it whether Sony position will be upgraded or not.

[CLELY]

Without attendance in ABC GP Gold, TH will lose many points (7000). Meanwhile SDK will get 4900 ranking points if he enters quarter. You can calculate it whether Sony position will be upgraded or not.

Oops! Sorry, it should be 3850 for quarter and 4900 points for semifinal.

[abedeng]

We can practically say that Taufik will definitely occupy MS2 slot. Which is good for INA in a bid to dethrone CHN.

I wish there's a way to bring the Uncles back down to MD2, but that's not possible now, I think. Koo/Tan lost way too much ground, no way to make up for it even if the Uncles don't defend their Asian title.

[Krisna]

I wish there's a way to bring the Uncles back down to MD2, but that's not possible now, I think. Koo/Tan lost way too much ground, no way to make up for it even if the Uncles don't defend their Asian title.

I suddenly realize that KKK-TBH's recent performance debacle [thus drop in ranking] could be BAM's deliberate move to make KKK-TBH as MAS' 2nd MD in the May Thomas Cup :eek:... A strong 2nd MD indeed! :p But on the other hand, MAS could be beaten 0-3 by the time their 2nd MD should play... :o :p

[abedeng]

I suddenly realize that KKK-TBH's recent performance debacle [thus drop in ranking] could be BAM's deliberate move to make KKK-TBH as MAS' 2nd MD in the May Thomas Cup :eek:... A strong 2nd MD indeed! :p But on the other hand, MAS could be beaten 0-3 by the time their 2nd MD should play... :o :p

No, it's not deliberate, and I know you know that too .... ;)

Our strength is not as balanced as when we last won the Cup in 1992, not even when we almost nicked it again in 2002.

2nd MD is best taken up by the Uncles, they have better mental strength but maybe not enough guile to topple the top pairs consistently.

[Winston_T]

We can practically say that Taufik will definitely occupy MS2 slot. Which is good for INA in a bid to dethrone CHN.

I wish there's a way to bring the Uncles back down to MD2, but that's not possible now, I think. Koo/Tan lost way too much ground, no way to make up for it even if the Uncles don't defend their Asian title.

CHN still have BCL in MS2.
I believe BCL can win for the 3rd time in Ina against TH in TC 08.
the first ever player that can do that!
but I'm prefer if TH is Ina MS1.
imagine if TC 08 Final : China vs Indonesia,
with the opening match : Lin Dan vs Taufik Hidayat.

[Winston_T]

TH won the Thomas Cup in 2000 and 2002... ;) So, he has won as many Thomas Cups as Lin Dan [2004 and 2006]... :p

don't forget, BCL also 2 TC titles.
but, BCL always win in 10 straight games as MS2.
TH lost to Mas MS2 in Guangzhou, so there is something missing with his second title.
not to mentioned the world #1 as CHN MS 1.
very significant contribution to CHN success!:D

[Winston_T]

if not mistaken... the post you replied above is for JIMBO :eek: :D

yes. that's right.

[Winston_T]

sorry....i forgot one word :D

it's not a big problem.

[jimbo]

CHN still have BCL in MS2.
I believe BCL can win for the 3rd time in Ina against TH in TC 08.
the first ever player that can do that!
but I'm prefer if TH is Ina MS1.
imagine if TC 08 Final : China vs Indonesia,
with the opening match : Lin Dan vs Taufik Hidayat.

The venue is Senayan Stadium, Not Beijing :rolleyes:

[Winston_T]

The venue is Senayan Stadium, Not Beijing :rolleyes:

it doesn't matter.
he can do it.

[Winston_T]

I still hope TH is INA MS1.
it will be exciting to see LD vs TH in final.

[Krisna]

The venue is Senayan Stadium, Not Beijing :rolleyes:


it doesn't matter.
he can do it.

True... I saw BCL beat Taufik in the 2007 INA Super Series semifinals... :o But hey, at this point, I would prefer that LD and BCL to be overconfident... ;)

[Dreamzz]

any match involving LD and TH will be exciting, you never know what's going to happen when these 2 meet. they haven't played each other for quite a while now, hopefully we'll get to see a few more matches before TH retires.

[badadum]

I always thought that Bao Bao playing style is much more suitable to play Taufik, so INA might not gain much by having TH playing 2nd seed. Sony can play LD but he'll have better chance against Bao.. (as long as he doesn't play CJ)...
Regardless, INA must take both MD to have a chance.

[smash23]

Hi,

It doesn't matter KKK-TBH in 1st or 2nd Double or whoever playing.

At the end of the day, Malaysia SURE CONFIRMED DEFINITELY will not win the Thomas Cup with the quality of the player we are having now.

Look at Lee Chong Wei, everytime he can performed well initial stage. When come to SF or F, the problem can already. Loss to some stupid player where he always won. Especially against Lin Dan. Even the match haven't start, Lee Chong Wei already scared and already loss 60%.

Secondly, look at Wong Choon Han. Not energetic look at her. His face look at want to sleep more than fighting to win.

Don't talk about 3rd single, Malaysia don't even have a player qualified to play that. Don't mention about Roslin or Hafiz. It is totally rubbish player. What is the use if you win an All England champion once? After that all the competition first round or second round exit. What a shameful Malaysian.

The other positive player is Cheung Tan Fook - Lee Wan Wah. They are the one that always maintain the standard. They are the one that Malaysian can opt for a point. Keep it up.

Last but not least, Koo Kian Kiat - Tan Boon Heong. The faster you go up, the faster you will drop. Another useless players. Try to show their celebrity status. Now performance drop like hell. Even loss to Japan & own teammate. No need to hope for a point from the pair. It is totally helpless.

This the story about MALAYSIA BOLEH. Apa Apa Pun BOLEH.

:mad::mad::mad:

[Winston_T]

Hi,


Look at Lee Chong Wei, everytime he can performed well initial stage. When come to SF or F, the problem can already. Loss to some stupid player where he always won. Especially against Lin Dan. Even the match haven't start, Lee Chong Wei already scared and already loss 60%.


:mad::mad::mad:

err. LD is not stupid:cool:.

[Winston_T]

I always thought that Bao Bao playing style is much more suitable to play Taufik, so INA might not gain much by having TH playing 2nd seed. Sony can play LD but he'll have better chance against Bao.. (as long as he doesn't play CJ)...
Regardless, INA must take both MD to have a chance.

but if INA play against other countries, this is effective.

[Winston_T]

any match involving LD and TH will be exciting, you never know what's going to happen when these 2 meet. they haven't played each other for quite a while now, hopefully we'll get to see a few more matches before TH retires.

if TH wants to walkover from the court after play for 5 minutes, it's good.
if TH wants to cancel the match, then it's very very good.

[taufik-ist]

but if INA play against other countries, this is effective.
only BCL that have 'conquered' senayan.. CJ and the rest ,as i remember, haven't suceeded to win a title in senayan.

[taufik-ist]

if TH wants to walkover from the court after play for 5 minutes, it's good.
if TH wants to cancel the match, then it's very very good.

ya... it's good for you (CHINA TEAM)... isn't ? :)

[Winston_T]

Without attendance in ABC GP Gold, TH will lose many points (7000). Meanwhile SDK will get 4900 ranking points if he enters quarter. You can calculate it whether Sony position will be upgraded or not.

now TH has 58488, while Sony has 56762.
so, without play in ABC 08, Sony absolutely will take over TH position, right?

[CLELY]

now TH has 58488, while Sony has 56762.
so, without play in ABC 08, Sony absolutely will take over TH position, right?

It should be like that but PBSI has not yet decided about this scenario. CHN and INA as top and second seed respectively have different path en route to finale on 18 May, where absolutely CHN has smoother road to enter last round. The host team must face tricky opponent and tough obstacle started quarterfinal when INA possibly will meet KOR or MAS.

[Winston_T]

ya... it's good for you (CHINA TEAM)... isn't ? :)

I'm eager to see LD vs TH.
if LD win, so he is successfully revenge for his loss in Ina 04.

[Winston_T]

The memory of taufik hidayat as the world best player ever will never erode.



we have different version of this.

[Winston_T]

only BCL that have 'conquered' senayan.. CJ and the rest ,as i remember, haven't suceeded to win a title in senayan.

BCL also never won a single title in Ina, except the TC title as team tournament

[jamesd20]

[FONT=Verdana]anyway, TH has no sportsmanship

thats absolutely Incorrect. Taufik is very gracious in defeat and does not question linejudges with the frequency of say LD.

Please do not let you patriotism towards your own country morph into bias against other countries players.

BTW. This is Off topic...please return to talking about TC predictions.

[X Ball]

thats absolutely Incorrect. Taufik is very gracious in defeat and does not question linejudges with the frequency of say LD.

Please do not let you patriotism towards your own country morph into bias against other countries players.

BTW. This is Off topic...please return to talking about TC predictions.

Good on you. About time we put a stop to this slandering of players - and most particularly if it attacks their personal life -- I hate to see this site being sued for libel if it does not protect players.

[eaglehelang]

No, it's not deliberate, and I know you know that too .... ;)

Our strength is not as balanced as when we last won the Cup in 1992, not even when we almost nicked it again in 2002.

2nd MD is best taken up by the Uncles, they have better mental strength but maybe not enough guile to topple the top pairs consistently.

Abang Deng, perhaps they will switch the pairs around like Korea or our WD did in qualifiers, to confuse opponents. TBH can partner Zakry or one of the uncles. MD we have 3 pairs, only 2 pairs need to play.

[abedeng]

Eagle, I hate to say this but our doubles pairs are not as adaptable as Koreans or the host nation. Save perhaps Koo.
It is no longer like in the 80s, when Razif Sidek, Ong Beng Teong, even Misbun, could partner anyone and give a strong challenge.

[huangkwokhau]

thats absolutely Incorrect. Taufik is very gracious in defeat and does not question linejudges with the frequency of say LD.

Please do not let you patriotism towards your own country morph into bias against other countries players.

BTW. This is Off topic...please return to talking about TC predictions.
He is known as anti INA players from beginning....:cool: he would argue you to death....

[eaglehelang]

Eagle, I hate to say this but our doubles pairs are not as adaptable as Koreans or the host nation. Save perhaps Koo.
It is no longer like in the 80s, when Razif Sidek, Ong Beng Teong, even Misbun, could partner anyone and give a strong challenge.

OH ya kah? Not even TBH? Rexy said before TBH doesnt bother who he partners with, he just play.

Then our WD in Uber are more adaptable me suppose.

[Dreamzz]

i can't believe i haven't voted on this till now.

gotta say, despite everything, it's still advantage to CHN, they have just too much strength and depth in their MS.

[ants]

Team China is rocky... in fact this year's lineup is not as stable as before.

[Dreamzz]

yeah, they were much better 2 years ago, i agree, but they are still the favourites for the title. i think realistically only INA and KOR can beat them, especially if TH plays MS2.

[koo_fan]

Korean and indonesian doubles are absolutely good prospects to win in olympic.

But i hate it when malaysians say we cant win.Wheres the malaysia boleh?
Means when burhannuddin al helmy said we cant achieve the independence then tunku dont have to fight la?
Bcoz someone named malaysian said we cant??

[robin7]

China is the favorite.

Korea is the darkhorse.

[abedeng]

Team China is rocky... in fact this year's lineup is not as stable as before.

Unfortunately, so do most of the opposition. Korea excluded.

[pjswift]

Can LD win in INA territory?(Has he?) Probably not.The atmosphere would be too humid to LD's liking. BCL likely to fare better than LD in TC.

[koo_fan]

Ld's lost is sthing that make me happy.

[X Ball]

Can LD win in INA territory?(Has he?) Probably not.The atmosphere would be too humid to LD's liking. BCL likely to fare better than LD in TC.


It is a good point -- Chinese singles had not done well in MO or IO in the past probably because of the humidity. Hence, I think it will not be easy for China. For that same reason, I think LCW will do well and hopefully the rest of the team maybe motivated to excel.

[abedeng]

Interesting factor, humidity and CHN MS performance. Even LD hasn't passed any INA, MAS or SIN Super Series q-finals over these 15 months. Didn't compete in INA last year and MAS this year. Best result was Bao Chunlai's runnerup finish in INA.

But I would expect Li Yongbo to send his players for conditioning early so that they are well prepared.

[jamesd20]

i can't believe i haven't voted on this till now.

gotta say, despite everything, it's still advantage to CHN, they have just too much strength and depth in their MS.

It has only been recently (Yesterday) Made into a poll.

I Disagree I am one of the Korean Supporters. KOR can win both CHN MD and therfore it will only take one upset in MS to take the tie.

The difficuly for KOR is overcoming MAS or INA, as there weakness in MS and INA/MAS strength in MD could expose them.

[Dreamzz]

yeah, KOR have a shot. wait, i did say that in post #376! :rolleyes:

i think the point i'm trying to make is, the only certain point for KOR is MD2. MS1, MS2 and MS3 are at least 60-40 in favour of CHN, and MD1 is 50-50 at best. looks tough, they can do it, but i think INA have a bigger shot, especially considering they have home ground advantage. their supporters will give them a major lift.

[jamesd20]

INA IMO have limited chance MS1 & MS2 (SDK vs Lin and BCL vs TH) Taufik is a shadow and SDK too slow for Lin. If both MD win (not a certainty) then this leaves MS3 Santoso vs CJ I favour CHN.

I would say best Chance for KOR win is MS1 and MD 1&2. Unless SSM (if picked) can come in at MS3 and rediscover some form.

MAS must win MS1 & MD2 & MD2 because MS 2& 3 nowhere.

[Krisna]

If you look at previous Thomas cups by Indonesia, they won because the doubles were rock solid. China's singles were also supposed to be solid but fell down. Look at the ones played in HK 1998, KL in 2000, China 2002. Three singles were supposed to come up trumps. However, only one loss in singles and your whole tactical game plan comes falling down.

Indonesia couldn't maintain their dominance in men's doubles which let China win in 2004.


INA won 5 Thomas Cups in a row between 1994-2004 because even though we were theoretically weaker in MS than CHN, we always had world-beaters such as Ardi Wiranata, Heryanto Arbi, Hendrawan, etc. who had the firepower, skill, experience, and mental determination to beat anyone in the tournament. They were either All England champs or World Champs. The other countries also fear them...

I heard stories like this: when asked who wanted to play the #3 MS, who most likely will determine the outcome of the Thomas Cup finals, when most players hesitate in accepting such a big burden, Ardi [in 1994 or so] and [later] Hendrawan [in 2002] would voluntarily step up and say "Put me in the game, I will do it!" They did so with pure joy. Did you guys remember the kind of show Hendrawan displayed in 2002? Pure joy, I tell you. These INA MS looovvveeed the challenge.

Today we still have Taufik... if he is determined, he can play amazing badminton [especially in front of the home crowd]... Taufik is the type who likes attention... :p

As for 2004... yes we lost TWO MD matches in the SF against DEN. We didn't deserve the Thomas Cup that year. [I was there] :o :o :o

[Wong8Egg]

I think both Korea and Malaysia has a fair chance to upset China, with Korea having the best chance.

For Mala, they can only root onto 1st MS (LCW), 2nd and 3rd MD (LWW/CTF or KKK/TBH), failure of anyone of them is almost a certain defeat. And yet LCW still lacking of a good strategy to against LD meanwhile KKK/TBH's performance is questionable.

For Korea, they should able to win both MDs consider their exceptional forms displayed lately. LYD/JJS should very well on par with CY/FHF if not better. On the MS side, they have both PSH and LHI to root on. Either of them has a fair chance to upset LD and/or BCL.

[abedeng]

INA won 5 Thomas Cups in a row between 1994-2004 because even though we were theoretically weaker in MS than CHN, we always had world-beaters such as Ardi Wiranata, Heryanto Arbi, Hendrawan, etc. who had the firepower, skill, experience, and mental determination to beat anyone in the tournament. They were either All England champs or World Champs. The other countries also fear them...



Err, I would beg to differ. 1994-1998, INA was clearly superior individually and as a team, CHN was in transition.

Except 2000 (Denmark was superior but couldn't manage the heat of battle) and 2002 (INA, MAS and CHN on almost equal footing). But as you said, the trump card is in the heart of the players when the tie goes down the wire ......:D :D :D

[ronnie14]

its getting hot in here.. 6-7 weeks more to thomas cup :)

[taufik-ist]

Christian hadinata: Ina team must decrease self-errors (blunder) if they want to win the thomas cup

[Krisna]

Err, I would beg to differ. 1994-1998, INA was clearly superior individually and as a team, CHN was in transition.


Hmm... maybe... I remember INA's MS as being precarious... :p Our MD were very good with Ricky-Rexy, Deni-Anton, etc.

[CLELY]

Can LD win in INA territory?(Has he?) Probably not.The atmosphere would be too humid to LD's liking. BCL likely to fare better than LD in TC.

LD and friends had delivered China Thomas Team gained back the supremacy in 2004 (after 14 years long time sleep since 1990 TC's victory) at same venue with this year event, Istora Senayan Jakarta -- CHN beat KOR 3-0 in semi and DEN 3-1 in final. For individual tournament, it seems LD avoid INA Open, last time he participated IO was 2004 edition (December/04).

CHN is still strong favourite this time but winning chance between title holder and the other seedings (INA-MAS-DEN) is quite balance now. And KOR team is the surprise maker who may shock any participant.

[jasonmarc]

I vote for China...in terms of line up...they are the strongest

As for Mas,....its an achievement...if they can enter QF ....a bonus if manage to go thru to SF......and no chance to win TC.....

For INA,......i think home ground advantages will put them thru to Final...to face Chn......

And for KOR.......as usual they'll be the darkesst dark horse ....ever in TC.....even darker compare to 2006...

[tjl_vanguard]

Interesting factor, humidity and CHN MS performance. Even LD hasn't passed any INA, MAS or SIN Super Series q-finals over these 15 months. Didn't compete in INA last year and MAS this year. Best result was Bao Chunlai's runnerup finish in INA.

But I would expect Li Yongbo to send his players for conditioning early so that they are well prepared.

hahaha abedeng, LD won WC in KL last yr.. :D

[Winston_T]

He is known as anti INA players from beginning....:cool: he would argue you to death....

that's my old post, Huangkwokhau. could u stop your personal attack?


thats absolutely Incorrect. Taufik is very gracious in defeat and does not question linejudges with the frequency of say LD.



that's not what I meant.
my post refers to :

"electronic score board error" during SC 07 vs PSH
bad call favour to him vs PSH in MO 08
the same thing with the incident in MO 08, but this time in AG 06 SF vs LCW, when the score 20-18 or 20-19 for TH.

in SC 07, he got several point free from the score board.
in AG 06 & MO 08, he know that it was a bad call favor to him, but he decides to ignore it.

last but not least, in Ina 06, the linejudge call the shot from CY is "in". TH complaint about it. after some "good chat", plus "pressure" from Ina spectators, the linejudge change his decision, it was "OUT"!

[Winston_T]

bad call favour to him vs PSH in MO 08
the same thing with the incident in MO 08, but this time in AG 06 SF vs LCW, when the score 20-18 or 20-19 for TH.

in AG 06 & MO 08, he know that it was a bad call favor to him, but he decides to ignore it.


imagine if he argue with the refree (in AG 06), says that it was a bad call.
I believe LCW can forced it until rubber - sets.
I don't care who will win, but for sure, they are not as fit as Lin Dan.
surely it can affect the AG 06 result.
I highly doubt if an exhausted TH or LCW can win against LD, who slaughtered LHI in another SF match.

[Winston_T]

thats absolutely Incorrect. Taufik is very gracious in defeat and does not question linejudges with the frequency of say LD.

Please do not let you patriotism towards your own country morph into bias against other countries players.

BTW. This is Off topic...please return to talking about TC predictions.

lack of sportsmanship probably the best word, compare to NO SPORTSMANSHIP. do u agree?

[Winston_T]

I heard stories like this: when asked who wanted to play the #3 MS, who most likely will determine the outcome of the Thomas Cup finals, when most players hesitate in accepting such a big burden, Ardi [in 1994 or so] and [later] Hendrawan [in 2002] would voluntarily step up and say "Put me in the game, I will do it!" They did so with pure joy. Did you guys remember the kind of show Hendrawan displayed in 2002? Pure joy, I tell you. These INA MS looovvveeed the challenge.


Ina win TC 94, beat MAS 3-0 or 3-1.
the last match absolutely MS2 or MD2.
no contest for MS3 match.

Hendrawan win MS3 match against Roslin, where Ina beat MAS 3-2

[Winston_T]

It is a good point -- Chinese singles had not done well in MO or IO in the past probably because of the humidity. Hence, I think it will not be easy for China. For that same reason, I think LCW will do well and hopefully the rest of the team maybe motivated to excel.

that's right. I don't know why.
YY or ZJH probably the last CHN MS who can win Ina open (15-20 yrs ago)

[Winston_T]

Can LD win in INA territory?(Has he?) Probably not.The atmosphere would be too humid to LD's liking. BCL likely to fare better than LD in TC.


LD and friends had delivered China Thomas Team gained back the supremacy in 2004 (after 14 years long time sleep since 1990 TC's victory) at same venue with this year event, Istora Senayan Jakarta -- CHN beat KOR 3-0 in semi and DEN 3-1 in final. For individual tournament, it seems LD avoid INA Open, last time he participated IO was 2004 edition (December/04).

CHN is still strong favourite this time but winning chance between title holder and the other seedings (INA-MAS-DEN) is quite balance now. And KOR team is the surprise maker who may shock any participant.

Lin Dan (20 yrs) as MS1 (once again, MS1 not MS2) played all 5 matches and won all of them!

consider CHN haven't strong MD, so there was a heavy pressure on LD.
a do or die match. if he lose, most probably CHN was trail 0-2. it's the end!
if that's the case, CHN can say goodbye for the title, and they must wait for another 2 yrs!

but, in the end, Lin Dan proved to the world that HE IS THE BEST IN THE WORLD! HE IS THE REAL WORLD #1 WITHOUT HELPS FROM BWF!

[yen_saw]

Not that i am pro-chinese, but I have to agree with Winston_T responses, and personal attack would just shows the immature side of a person. As this is clearly a debate on badminton, not a personal issue. i am surprise moderators here don't do aything about it. I think the only way Winston_T wouldn't strongly defense on the chinese team is when all the chinese players fail miserably in the tournament, which i doubt it would happen in near future, quite honestly.

[abedeng]

that's right. I don't know why.
YY or ZJH probably the last CHN MS who can win Ina open (15-20 yrs ago)

LD did win the World Championships in KL last year, although most of his major rivals went down too early in that tournament. Indeed he continues the long line of consistency laid down by his predecessors in the 80s and early 90s, Han Jian/Luan Jin and Yang Yang/Zhao Jianhua.

INA beat MAS 3-0 in '94. I remember that, the Senayan crowd was so excitable after the victory, after waiting 10 years. MAS had to pick up their runnersup medal in the dressing room.

[Winston_T]

INA beat MAS 3-0 in '94. I remember that, the Senayan crowd was so excitable after the victory, after waiting 10 years. MAS had to pick up their runnersup medal in the dressing room.

that's why I said there was no contest for MS3 match.

[vching]

I'm rooting for a Indonesia-Malaysia finals...
However, if Malaysia dosen't make it, I'm going for Indonesia to win over China. We Southeast Asians have to unite!

But BC forums will be a much livelier place if Indo-Malaysia finals were to take place...

After reviewing the BWF rules again, teams have to field players according to rankings... So the Malaysian team will be:
Lee Chong Wei
Wong Choong Hann
Hafiz Hashim
Koo/Tan
Choong/Lee

...which mounts a credible enough challenge really, but due to the see-saw nature of Malaysian players, no one can say for sure. Still, Malaysia has (or some might argue, was) always considered to be strong in team competitions. How did Foo Kok Keong defeat Ardy, when Foo never even won an encounter?

[jasonmarc]

[quote=vching;835064]
But BC forums will be a much livelier place if Indo-Malaysia finals were to take place...

Are U sure.....i only know this Winston T is the most active person here........non stop posting........:D........BC forums is much livelier when Winston T.........is around....:p....:D:D:D

[pjswift]

Not that i am pro-chinese, but I have to agree with Winston_T responses, and personal attack would just shows the immature side of a person. As this is clearly a debate on badminton, not a personal issue. i am surprise moderators here don't do aything about it. I think the only way Winston_T wouldn't strongly defense on the chinese team is when all the chinese players fail miserably in the tournament, which i doubt it would happen in near future, quite honestly.
I thought both Winston_T and Clely researched and responded well to my opinion.LD has often complained about the humidity in Spore,as a hint to his lack of success here.How do questions begging answers turn out as personal attack?
Winston_T can withstand anyone.Don't worry about him.

[abedeng]

Frankly, I don't think it's just humidity. Maybe the crowd has something to do with it. Southeast Asia remains the strongest bastion where China is heavily challenged. And this is not just down to players.

Even in, ahem, more neutral Singapore, you can see that the crowd would always root for the player facing Lin Dan, last year the support given to Boonsak was so huge. I know, I was there .......

Which is why sometimes I am critical with Chen Jin and Bao Chunlai. Given their talent, they are not consistent enough to reduce pressure on Lin Dan. As strong as Lin Dan is, if he goes down, the rest of the squad is left in doubt. Credit to him that it rarely happens ......

[Dreamzz]

actually, except for LD, i don't think most of the top players actually fear the other CHN MS players too much. BCL, CJ and CY are very good players, but with LD, there's definitely an element of Fear Factor involved.

[Winston_T]

I thought both Winston_T and Clely researched and responded well to my opinion.LD has often complained about the humidity in Spore,as a hint to his lack of success here.How do questions begging answers turn out as personal attack?
Winston_T can withstand anyone.Don't worry about him.

yen saw post relates to Huangkwokhau

[badadum]

Frankly, I don't think it's just humidity. Maybe the crowd has something to do with it. Southeast Asia remains the strongest bastion where China is heavily challenged. And this is not just down to players.

Even in, ahem, more neutral Singapore, you can see that the crowd would always root for the player facing Lin Dan, last year the support given to Boonsak was so huge. I know, I was there .......

Which is why sometimes I am critical with Chen Jin and Bao Chunlai. Given their talent, they are not consistent enough to reduce pressure on Lin Dan. As strong as Lin Dan is, if he goes down, the rest of the squad is left in doubt. Credit to him that it rarely happens ......

It'll also depend on the state of the Chinese MD. INA, MAS & KOR are more than capable of taking both points from the doubles section, putting even more pressure to Chinese singles....

If only LCW can be fielded as 2nd single, I think China will have one heck of a time against MAS.

[huangkwokhau]

yen saw post relates to Huangkwokhau
and we saw you always bash INA players with no reason.....
I never bash china players....pls see your post from very beginning....:rolleyes:

[huangkwokhau]

Not that i am pro-chinese, but I have to agree with Winston_T responses, and personal attack would just shows the immature side of a person. As this is clearly a debate on badminton, not a personal issue. i am surprise moderators here don't do aything about it. I think the only way Winston_T wouldn't strongly defense on the chinese team is when all the chinese players fail miserably in the tournament, which i doubt it would happen in near future, quite honestly.
I am surprised either that Winston_T attacked INA players and INA as a country from the beginning...wondering whats his purpose to join the forum...especially start attacking some of us as anti china with no reasons...I am wondering why Mod did not take any actions too...:rolleyes:

[badadum]

I am surprised either that Winston_T attacked INA players and INA as a country from the beginning...wondering whats his purpose to join the forum...especially start attacking some of us as anti china with no reasons...I am wondering why Mod did not take any actions too...:rolleyes:

Ditto. I've seen some member going beserk just because some post that deemed "disrespectful" toward China/Chinese. Winston_T has in many times insulted INA and INA players. Why is this allowed to happen?

[huangkwokhau]

Ditto. I've seen some member going beserk just because some post that deemed "disrespectful" toward China/Chinese. Winston_T has in many times insulted INA and INA players. Why is this allowed to happen?
Thats correct...I suggest some fo them to see his first 10 posts from Winston_T before making any comments....:cool:

[pjswift]

No wonder the mods got wise and stay neutral.Both of you have high entertainment and energy value.If I were to suggest they can't keep up with both of you....

[huangkwokhau]

No wonder the mods got wise and stay neutral.Both of you have high entertainment and energy value.If I were to suggest they can't keep up with both of you....
until you see me in real person in Jakarta....:D:D

[jamesd20]

.I am wondering why Mod did not take any actions too...:rolleyes:

You should have seen the posts he has had deleted!!


Seriously, if a member has a strong opinion which you deem to be rude, please refrain from being rude back. I know it is hard, but it is best.

[huangkwokhau]

You should have seen the posts he has had deleted!!


Seriously, if a member has a strong opinion which you deem to be rude, please refrain from being rude back. I know it is hard, but it is best.
:D Thank you...and sorry that i did not notice that...

[huangkwokhau]

if you read again my post about Lis Pongo & Sigit, is it anti Ina?
I can suspect there was a match fixing between LP & Swie King (from trailing 0-14 become 15-14) but otherwise, I say it is unbelievable achievement
Pls read your posts from beginning....pls read it yourself...you start it first...
You always say INA players won over CHN players because of luck...you show no respect so dont expect us to respect your players....

Yes..you are anti INA from beginning...period!

[Louisa]

You should have seen the posts he has had deleted!!


Seriously, if a member has a strong opinion which you deem to be rude, please refrain from being rude back. I know it is hard, but it is best.
I can't agree more....When a dog barks at you, there is no point you bark back, no point as it can't understands u....:D

I 'try' not to involve in those so called personal attack posts...if you can't change or manipulate them, just keep quiet, n let them do the barking...I m sure, the mature n civilize BCers know what is right, what is wrong n the grey area....

We are here to enjoy our passion for badminton, to show our support to our fav. players n team, to enjoy virtual companionship...not to simply finger pointing n create 'chaos' in our forum....

Peace be with all of US....:):):)

[Oldhand]

Folks, where's all this going? :eek:

Post 411 from badadum was the last one of any relevance to the topic of this thread.

Is it that difficult to stay on track? :(

[huangkwokhau]

Folks, where's all this going? :eek:

Post 411 from badadum was the last one of any relevance to the topic of this thread.

Is it that difficult to stay on track? :(
We will do that..........Thanks

[abedeng]

Well, all I can say it, LD cannot win the Thomas Cup .........:eek::eek::eek:

.......... by himself, that is. :D:p:D

OK, other than the big 5 (CHN, INA, MAS, DEN, KOR), who would you put your money on to do an upset or two?

I feel that JPN might pull the plug off DEN ..... similar to the KOR vs MAS confrontation. Come to think of it, MAS and KOR have been in the same group far too often in TC Finals. :confused:

Germany's squad isn't half bad too.

[Winston_T]

Well, all I can say it, LD cannot win the Thomas Cup .........:eek::eek::eek:

.......... by himself, that is. :D:p:D


for sure ... :D

[badadum]

I feel that JPN might pull the plug off DEN ..... similar to the KOR vs MAS confrontation. Come to think of it, MAS and KOR have been in the same group far too often in TC Finals. :confused:

Germany's squad isn't half bad too.

I've a feeling JPN will surprise many folks in the upcoming contest, since their squad has 2 good MD and MS.

[Krisna]

I feel that JPN might pull the plug off DEN ..... similar to the KOR vs MAS confrontation. Come to think of it, MAS and KOR have been in the same group far too often in TC Finals. :confused:

Germany's squad isn't half bad too.

I agree with you. JPN has a decent chance to pull an upset over DEN... ;) If they do finish on top of their group, then... DEN will be thrown to the other side of the knock-off round... they might face CHN in the quarterfinals over there... :p :eek: :D ...which will then result in 3-0 destruction by CHN, of course... :p

GER? Mmm... no chance against INA. Decent chance against THA... I think GER has a decent chance to face KOR or MAS in the quarterfinals... :)

[Dreamzz]

if PG and KJ are playing, i think the danes will take MS1 and MS2. however MD1, MD2 and MS3 could easily be won by the JPN team. so yeah, it'll be interesting indeed, definitely a 3-2 scoreline either way.

[yen_saw]

Hmmm.. i apologize for making the bold comments previously. I have to admit that i am still new to this forum and probably only see the "one" side what Winston_T defended. I am looking at things here as an outsider so pardon my ignorance for what happened previously. However, i really hope to see a "healthy" and "constructive" debate rather than personal attack. Badminton may be your everything and your life, but i am not going to let it ruin my emotion and health. So lets get over it and enjoy the game as much as possible if we still want to call each other pals! :)

[Dreamzz]

Hmmm.. i apologize for making the bold comments previously. I have to admit that i am still new to this forum and probably only see the "one" side what Winston_T defended. I am looking at things here as an outsider so pardon my ignorance for what happened previously. However, i really hope to see a "healthy" and "constructive" debate rather than personal attack. Badminton may be your everything and your life, but i am not going to let it ruin my emotion and health. So lets get over it and enjoy the game as much as possible if we still want to call each other pals! :)

yeah, my suggestion is to stay out of it, things can get pretty nasty sometimes ...

[huangkwokhau]

Hmmm.. i apologize for making the bold comments previously. I have to admit that i am still new to this forum and probably only see the "one" side what Winston_T defended. I am looking at things here as an outsider so pardon my ignorance for what happened previously. However, i really hope to see a "healthy" and "constructive" debate rather than personal attack. Badminton may be your everything and your life, but i am not going to let it ruin my emotion and health. So lets get over it and enjoy the game as much as possible if we still want to call each other pals! :)
No problem....you can see that if he keeps attacking then we have to defend our players as w know them well.....you do not make fun or look down on other players and say other people are anti this and here....everybody has their own favorite players to cheer..

You are doing fine...welcome to forum Yen_Saw..

[abedeng]

for sure ... :D


Good to see you too have a sense of humour, Winston_T. How about joining us at the Thomas Cup finals?

Always interesting to see a CHN fan's perspective, as long as we are respectful to each other's views, of course.

[taufik-ist]

Good to see you too have a sense of humour, Winston_T. How about joining us at the Thomas Cup finals?

Always interesting to see a CHN fan's perspective, as long as we are respectful to each other's views, of course.

tell him to use a helmet :D :D :D :p (joking)

[d65up2]

If everything goes well, China is expected to meet Malaysia in the final.

There are a few possible outcomes:

(1) China beat Malaysia 3-0

LinD beat LeeCW
CaiY/FuHF beat KooKK/TanBH
BaoCL beat Hafiz

(2) China beat Malaysia 3-1

LinD beat LeeCW
CaiY/FuHF lost to KooKK/TanBH
BaoCL beat Hafiz
XieZB/ZhengB beat LeeWW/ChoongTF (Unlikely)

OR

LinD lost to LeeCW
CaiY/FuHF beat KooKK/TanBH
BaoCL beat Hafiz
XieZB/ZhengB beat LeeWW/ChoongTF (Unlikely)

(3) China beat Malaysia 3-2

LinD beat to LeeCW
CaiY/FuHF lost to KooKK/TanBH
BaoCL beat Hafiz
XieZB/ZhengB lost to LeeWW/ChoongTF
ChenJ beat KuanBH


Question: Can China win all the singles?

(4) China lost to Malaysia 0-3

LinD lost to LeeCW
CaiY/FuHF lost to KooKK/TanBH
BaoCL lost to Hafiz

(5) China lost to Malaysia 1-3

LinD beat LeeCW
CaiY/FuHF lost to KooKK/TanBH
BaoCL lost to Hafiz
XieZB/ZhengB lost to LeeWW/ChoongTF

(6) China lost to Malaysia 2-3

LinD beat LeeCW
CaiY/FuHF lost to KooKK/TanBH
BaoCL beat Hafiz
XieZB/ZhengB lost to LeeWW/ChoongTF
ChenJ lost to KuanBH (Unlikely)

Prediction:
(a) China will win either 3-0 or 3-2 whereas Malaysia will win 3-0 or 3-1.
(b) If it gets into 5th tie, China has the upper hand.
(c) If China loses its 1st single, pressure will be on 3rd single to deliver the winning point.

You hvae INA before u face China....

[X Ball]

You hvae INA before u face China....


It is obvious he thinks Malaysia will overcome INA.:D

[badadum]

Its the same scenario for MAS and INA when facing China. Must take advantage in the MD and steal a point from the MS. MAS best bet will be in the 1st single (LCW vs LD), while INA probably would have better chance in 2nd single (TH vs Bao).

As for MAS vs INA, the scenario will be the same for MAS (sweep the MDs, get 1 win from the single). Just in this case the probability of getting that win from MS is much higher. The key will be whether KKK/TBH can recover their form and continue their dominance over MK/HS. If its come down to the 3rd MS single, its doubtful that Mr. Yo-yo can withstand the pressure (and the fanatic crowd) to beat Simon.

[TH_4_President]

Its the same scenario for MAS and INA when facing China. Must take advantage in the MD and steal a point from the MS. MAS best bet will be in the 1st single (LCW vs LD), while INA probably would have better chance in 2nd single (TH vs Bao).

As for MAS vs INA, the scenario will be the same for MAS (sweep the MDs, get 1 win from the single). Just in this case the probability of getting that win from MS is much higher. The key will be whether KKK/TBH can recover their form and continue their dominance over MK/HS. If its come down to the 3rd MS single, its doubtful that Mr. Yo-yo can withstand the pressure (and the fanatic crowd) to beat Simon.
Koo/Tan aren't 1st MAS MD any longer..already replaced by Choong/Lee..MK/HS have better record against Choong/Lee and Lukvent have beaten Koo/Tan, so with this condition, I think INA has slight edge to pass MAS squad If they meet (don't mean to offend MAS fans though) :cool::)

[yen_saw]

The pressure is tremendous for 1st single, especially when strong teams like Indonesia, Malaysia and CHina versus each other. A win on the first single will definately boost the moral for both Indonesia and Malaysia team when they have couple of strong MD, but for China, LD is "expected" to deliver the crucial first point or China will need a win from either of thier unconsistent MD.

[ctjcad]

yeah, they were much better 2 years ago, i agree, but they are still the favourites for the title. i think realistically only INA and KOR can beat them, especially if TH plays MS2.
..how about putting Taufik as 3rd Single??..If the score is tied at 2 a piece, he'll be in a pressure, do or die situation, one which he'll relish??..:rolleyes: Will this be more realistic of a chance for the INA squad to pull off the "upset"??..:confused: ;)

[vching]

I was under the impression that we met China in the semis then Indonesia in the finals? No?

[samuel882]

I was under the impression that we met China in the semis then Indonesia in the finals? No?
Definetely a NONO ! MAS will be defeated by KOREAN & INA in Group ties & Quarterfinals respectively. :cool:
That's why i choose to skip the Finals :D

[Winston_T]

Good to see you too have a sense of humour, Winston_T. How about joining us at the Thomas Cup finals?

Always interesting to see a CHN fan's perspective, as long as we are respectful to each other's views, of course.


tell him to use a helmet :D :D :D :p (joking)

it is wise if I stay in China.

[Winston_T]

..how about putting Taufik as 3rd Single??..If the score is tied at 2 a piece, he'll be in a pressure, do or die situation, one which he'll relish??..:rolleyes: Will this be more realistic of a chance for the INA squad to pull off the "upset"??..:confused: ;)

that only can happened if Simon's ranking is higher than TH

[taufik-ist]

it is wise if I stay in China.

you will be welcomed .. don't worry.. :D

[Krisna]

Hmm... Chen Jin pulled out of Swiss Open and Indian Open sighting injuries...
Bao Chunlai and Xie Xinfang pulled out of Indian Open sighting injuries...

If both Bao and Chen are still significantly injured in May... then CHN have to rely on Chen Yu and Lu Yi... Provided that INA's MS trio are all healthy and fit... I can start seeing INA winning 2 of the MS matches against CHN...

[Winston_T]

Hmm... Chen Jin pulled out of Swiss Open and Indian Open sighting injuries...
Bao Chunlai and Xie Xinfang pulled out of Indian Open sighting injuries...

If both Bao and Chen are still significantly injured in May... then CHN have to rely on Chen Yu and Lu Yi... Provided that INA's MS trio are all healthy and fit... I can start seeing INA winning 2 of the MS matches against CHN...

if MK / HS & Luluk / Alvent also injured, then ... CHN can win all of the MD matches against INA ...:D

[abedeng]

Injuries and ranking changes are affecting some teams. Opens a lot of avenues for upsets.

[badadum]

Hmm... Chen Jin pulled out of Swiss Open and Indian Open sighting injuries...
Bao Chunlai and Xie Xinfang pulled out of Indian Open sighting injuries...

If both Bao and Chen are still significantly injured in May... then CHN have to rely on Chen Yu and Lu Yi... Provided that INA's MS trio are all healthy and fit... I can start seeing INA winning 2 of the MS matches against CHN...

CJ was beaten in early round of Indian Open by MAS junior, no injury withdrawal there. As it is he already took a big hit on his Olympic chances.

[dannyang]

CJ was beaten in early round of Indian Open by MAS junior, no injury withdrawal there. As it is he already took a big hit on his Olympic chances.

CJ was beaten due to injury.

[Krisna]

CJ was beaten in early round of Indian Open by MAS junior, no injury withdrawal there. As it is he already took a big hit on his Olympic chances.

Yup, technically he didn't pull out... I should have said: Chen Jin was disrupted by injuries at the Swiss Open and at the Indian Open... :p

[Krisna]

if MK / HS & Luluk / Alvent also injured, then ... CHN can win all of the MD matches against INA ...

If Cai-Fu and Xie-Guo were also injured, then I want to know who China can send to play against Rian-Yoke, Joko-Hendra, and we still have Candra Wijaya, Flandy Limpele who can be partnered with the others. For example, Candra Wijaya-Hendra Setiawan combo is really awesome! [I saw them play in the INA Superliga]

INA's MD pool is deeper than CHN's MD pool... ;) INA will destroy CHN for sure!

[badadum]

If Cai-Fu and Xie-Guo were also injured, then I want to know who China can send to play against Rian-Yoke, Joko-Hendra, and we still have Candra Wijaya, Flandy Limpele who can be partnered with the others. For example, Candra Wijaya-Hendra Setiawan combo is really awesome! [I saw them play in the INA Superliga]

INA's MD pool is deeper than CHN's MD pool... ;) INA will destroy CHN for sure!

Candra - Hendra will make much more sense, considering their normal position. Any idea why Candra was paired with Markis back in Sudirman Cup 2007?

[badMania]

Candra - Hendra will make much more sense, considering their normal position. Any idea why Candra was paired with Markis back in Sudirman Cup 2007?

That's because Markis Kido/Hendra Setiawan have a dismal record against Anthony Clark/Robert Blair, losing twice in 2006 (All-England and WC). So, the INA coaches were not too confident of MD winning a pt in the Sudirman Cup if Kido/Hendra were fielded. Given Candra Wijaya's vast experience, it will increase their chance of winning that all-important pt. And indeed, what a pt it turned out to be!

[Tommy Susanto]

It is obvious he thinks Malaysia will overcome INA.:D

Malaysia must overcome MAS first:pIts worst enemy: oneself;):D

[Tommy Susanto]

Lin Dan (20 yrs) as MS1 (once again, MS1 not MS2) played all 5 matches and won all of them!

consider CHN haven't strong MD, so there was a heavy pressure on LD.
a do or die match. if he lose, most probably CHN was trail 0-2. it's the end!
if that's the case, CHN can say goodbye for the title, and they must wait for another 2 yrs!

but, in the end, Lin Dan proved to the world that HE IS THE BEST IN THE WORLD! HE IS THE REAL WORLD #1 WITHOUT HELPS FROM BWF!

LD is going to sweat in Jakarta:pJust watch:D

[Tommy Susanto]

I can't agree more....When a dog barks at you, there is no point you bark back, no point as it can't understands u....:D

I 'try' not to involve in those so called personal attack posts...if you can't change or manipulate them, just keep quiet, n let them do the barking...I m sure, the mature n civilize BCers know what is right, what is wrong n the grey area....

We are here to enjoy our passion for badminton, to show our support to our fav. players n team, to enjoy virtual companionship...not to simply finger pointing n create 'chaos' in our forum....

Peace be with all of US....:):):)

Arggg...nice real nice, Cat and Dog fight, ding.....ding:DNow i know who's the cat lady, wait a minute who's the dog then:p

[Tommy Susanto]

we have different version of this.

I have free tickets for you:pVIP seats:DInterested;)

[X Ball]

Malaysia must overcome MAS first:pIts worst enemy: oneself;):D


You are probably right with that statement if we are sending an inexperienced team but guys like LCW, WCH, CTF-LWW, KKK-TBH were 2 years less experienced in the last Cup appearance when they lost. If you were betting on Malaysia being its worst enemy, then I think chances are not stacked too high for you.

This time round, I hate to say, LCW will win 1st singles against INA and possibly one other singles and one doubles, or one singles and two doubles. I am there for the 1st time because I expect a win.:D

[Tommy Susanto]

You are probably right with that statement if we are sending an inexperienced team but guys like LCW, WCH, CTF-LWW, KKK-TBH were 2 years less experienced in the last Cup appearance when they lost. If you were betting on Malaysia being its worst enemy, then I think chances are not stacked too high for you.

This time round, I hate to say, LCW will win 1st singles against INA and possibly one other singles and one doubles, or one singles and two doubles. I am there for the 1st time because I expect a win.:D

A lot of souls and hearts are broken between now and 1992:crying:Yes travelling to Jakarta alone is a good experience already:DDon't expect too much, dear;)

[ronnie14]

you will be welcomed .. don't worry.. :D


i bet u wud offer Winston T to sleepover at ur place during thomas cup, right? :p:p:p:p:p:p;);););););)

[abedeng]

A lot of souls and hearts are broken between now and 1992:crying:Yes travelling to Jakarta alone is a good experience already:DDon't expect too much, dear;)

Generally, ever since we regained our footing around 25 - 30 years ago, BAM and the Malaysian Team doesn't expect less than a semifinal finish in Thomas Cups. Anything else is a bonus. This is part of the reason why we have not achieved more, the other part being we have always struggled to have a team balance. The 1992 Thomas Cup victory was won on account of strength in the first 4 ties only.

Yet we are critical against our team if we feel they are not playing to expectations. This happened quite a few times, in 82 and 84 (lost to England), 96 and 2000 (lost to Korea and Denmark).

Surprisingly, being unable to defend the title in 1994, and the 2004 q-final loss to Indonesia was quite acceptable to BAM. Weird ......

[Winston_T]

If Cai-Fu and Xie-Guo were also injured, then I want to know who China can send to play against Rian-Yoke, Joko-Hendra, and we still have Candra Wijaya, Flandy Limpele who can be partnered with the others. For example, Candra Wijaya-Hendra Setiawan combo is really awesome! [I saw them play in the INA Superliga]

INA's MD pool is deeper than CHN's MD pool... ;) INA will destroy CHN for sure!

Krisna, that match is not balance:D.
Ina A vs China B

[Winston_T]

I have free tickets for you:pVIP seats:DInterested;)

who are you?
the head of PBSI?:D

[Winston_T]

The pressure is tremendous for 1st single, especially when strong teams like Indonesia, Malaysia and CHina versus each other. A win on the first single will definately boost the moral for both Indonesia and Malaysia team when they have couple of strong MD, but for China, LD is "expected" to deliver the crucial first point or China will need a win from either of thier unconsistent MD.

yeah, unconsistent MD.

[Krisna]

Krisna, that match is not balance:D.
Ina A vs China B

I can't apologize if INA's "B" MD are stronger than CHN's "B" MD... :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
We were just saying that if Kido-Hendra, Luluk-Alven, Cai-Fu, Guo-Xie couldn't play, then...

INA's "B" are:
WR #17 Joko-Hendra :cool:
WR #22 Rian-Yoke :cool:

While INA's "C" are:
WR #38 Bona-Ahsan :cool:; the Vietnam Challenge Champ
WR #49 Fran-Rendra :cool:; the [recently crowned] Finnish Challenge Champ

CHN's "B" are:
WR #41 He Hanbin - Shen Ye
WR #75 Sun Junjie - Xu Chen

I think we can destroy CHN's MD big time!

[AlanY]

yeah, unconsistent MD.
guys and girls, please. inconsistent!

[Cindyy]

Lin Dan (20 yrs) as MS1 (once again, MS1 not MS2) played all 5 matches and won all of them!

consider CHN haven't strong MD, so there was a heavy pressure on LD.
a do or die match. if he lose, most probably CHN was trail 0-2. it's the end!
if that's the case, CHN can say goodbye for the title, and they must wait for another 2 yrs!

but, in the end, Lin Dan proved to the world that HE IS THE BEST IN THE WORLD! HE IS THE REAL WORLD #1 WITHOUT HELPS FROM BWF!


Totally agree:):);)

[jchan04]

denmark all the way!!!!!!!!!! because they are currently the underdogs... yeahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[LazyBuddy]

If Cai-Fu and Xie-Guo were also injured, then I want to know who China can send to play against Rian-Yoke, Joko-Hendra, and we still have Candra Wijaya, Flandy Limpele who can be partnered with the others. For example, Candra Wijaya-Hendra Setiawan combo is really awesome! [I saw them play in the INA Superliga]

INA's MD pool is deeper than CHN's MD pool... ;) INA will destroy CHN for sure!

Follow the same logic, if TH and Sony both injured, I wonder what INA can send for MS. For CHN, even if both LD and BCL not playing, they have CJ, CY and maybe CH if he wants to. Even GWJ, CL might fill in a spot or 2 to against weaker opponent's MS#3.

Remember, there are 3 MS and 2 MD, I consider CHN MS is a lot of deeper. ;)

[LazyBuddy]

I can't apologize if INA's "B" MD are stronger than CHN's "B" MD... :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
We were just saying that if Kido-Hendra, Luluk-Alven, Cai-Fu, Guo-Xie couldn't play, then...

INA's "B" are:
WR #17 Joko-Hendra :cool:
WR #22 Rian-Yoke :cool:

While INA's "C" are:
WR #38 Bona-Ahsan :cool:; the Vietnam Challenge Champ
WR #49 Fran-Rendra :cool:; the [recently crowned] Finnish Challenge Champ

CHN's "B" are:
WR #41 He Hanbin - Shen Ye
WR #75 Sun Junjie - Xu Chen

I think we can destroy CHN's MD big time!

Yes, CHN does not have that much depth in MD. However, He Hanbin / Xu Chen used to pair before, and somehow, He Hanbin seems changing partner from time to time. If he got a permit partner, that pair might be higher ranked.

Also, I won't purely rely on world ranking, especially when it comes down to 20s and beyond. It depends on how many tournies you participate, and which are they. Many fairly unknown CHN players were/are crowned during CHN national matches, which by its standard, is higher than most of the SS and GS, as many CHN national players rank the national matches are harder than any open tournies in the international stage. How you evaluate the ranking then?

Again, in my other post, TC/UC/SC do show the depth and balance, but not necessarily 100% accurate. Otherwise, CHN might win every single time, especially UC and SC, if say we use 15 games format vs. 5. :p

[TH_4_President]

Follow the same logic, if TH and Sony both injured, I wonder what INA can send for MS. For CHN, even if both LD and BCL not playing, they have CJ, CY and maybe CH if he wants to. Even GWJ, CL might fill in a spot or 2 to against weaker opponent's MS#3.

Remember, there are 3 MS and 2 MD, I consider CHN MS is a lot of deeper. ;)
Then INA would still has SS as 1st single, Andre Tedjono as 2nd, Tommy Sugiarto as 3rd, and Alamsyah Yunus as 4th..we have depth as well in MS although maybe not as experienced as CHN MS, but technically they're pretty good though..Simon proved to be a dangerous player, and Andre has beaten CY many occasions..There isn't any reason why INA MS afraid to face CHN MS..with MD squad backing up, and super crowd of fans we can deliver TC back to our home soil..hohoho :D:D:D

[taufik-ist]

i bet u wud offer Winston T to sleepover at ur place during thomas cup, right? :p:p:p:p:p:p;);););););)

sleeping with an enemy :D :D i mean in a separated room :D

[Winston_T]

guys and girls, please. inconsistent!

thanx. wrong typed, once again:D

[Winston_T]

Then INA would still has SS as 1st single, Andre Tedjono as 2nd, Tommy Sugiarto as 3rd, and Alamsyah Yunus as 4th..we have depth as well in MS although maybe not as experienced as CHN MS, but technically they're pretty good though..Simon proved to be a dangerous player, and Andre has beaten CY many occasions..There isn't any reason why INA MS afraid to face CHN MS..with MD squad backing up, and super crowd of fans we can deliver TC back to our home soil..hohoho :D:D:D

this is not the competition between team B.

[Winston_T]

I can't apologize if INA's "B" MD are stronger than CHN's "B" MD... :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
We were just saying that if Kido-Hendra, Luluk-Alven, Cai-Fu, Guo-Xie couldn't play, then...

INA's "B" are:
WR #17 Joko-Hendra :cool:
WR #22 Rian-Yoke :cool:

While INA's "C" are:
WR #38 Bona-Ahsan :cool:; the Vietnam Challenge Champ
WR #49 Fran-Rendra :cool:; the [recently crowned] Finnish Challenge Champ

CHN's "B" are:
WR #41 He Hanbin - Shen Ye
WR #75 Sun Junjie - Xu Chen

I think we can destroy CHN's MD big time!

and CHN MS can destroy Ina MS big time!:D
the entire Ina MS player afraid to Lin Dan:D
even Ina best MS agreed with PBSI plan so he can avoid Lin Dan in TC 08:D

[taufik-ist]

and CHN MS can destroy Ina MS big time!:D
the entire Ina MS player afraid to Lin Dan:D
even Ina best MS agreed with PBSI plan so he can avoid Lin Dan in TC 08:D

why should we ashame for avoiding lindan ( you said we're affraid of lindan) :D... if we can beat the rest of china squad... :D :D :D

[Joyous]

Guys, pls cool it. Otherwise, Mr Kwun will come in with his whip and ask the boys & girls to grow up.

[Krisna]

and CHN MS can destroy Ina MS big time!:D
the entire Ina MS player afraid to Lin Dan:D
even Ina best MS agreed with PBSI plan so he can avoid Lin Dan in TC 08:D

I admit that CHN's MS can very well destroy INA big time... :p However, it is not true that the entire INA MS players are afraid of Lin Dan. Even I am not afraid to face Lin Dan. :p Why should we be afraid of him?!? :cool: We are a very good badminton powerhouse. Winner of 13 Thomas Cups! We are not afraid of anyone! ...except ourselves, that is... :p :o


why should we ashamed for avoiding lindan ( you said we're affraid of lindan) :D... if we can beat the rest of china squad... :D :D :D

Exactly, taufik-ist! :D Actually, I heard from PBSI sources [just this morning] that Taufik can't wait to face and defeat Lin Dan in Istora. He has done so before and can do it again. :cool: Taufik is not afraid of Lin Dan at all! :cool: Taufik keeps saying "Put me up there! I want to win one point for INA."

*I am not kidding* :cool:

[Krisna]

By the way, I also heard that we will see Candra Wijaya-Nova Widianto in next week's ABC.

[TH_4_President]

Guys, pls cool it. Otherwise, Mr Kwun will come in with his whip and ask the boys & girls to grow up.
INA fans are cool..rite taufik-ist? :D and we always respect MAS, KOR, DEN, and other fans..:) oh and CHN fans too of course..:):D

[badMania]

By the way, I also heard that we will see Candra Wijaya-Nova Widianto in next week's ABC.

Yup, their names are in the entry list for the BAC.

[ronnie14]

sleeping with an enemy :D :D i mean in a separated room :D


separated rooms? owh, distance will only fire d temper & desire..:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::cool::cool: :cool::D:D:D:D

lets get all d MAS, INA, DEN, fans sleeping in ur living room as well :p:p

[vching]

Candra/Nova.... Hmm... this is interesting...

[Krisna]

Yup, their names are in the entry list for the BAC.

PBSI wants Flandy to concentrate in XD next week to get a good seeding at the Olympics... ;) Makes sense to me...

[badadum]

PBSI wants Flandy to concentrate in XD next week to get a good seeding at the Olympics... ;) Makes sense to me...

Personally, I would rather have Nova concentrates on XD and backup Flandy/Vita's goal to securing top 4 seedings. Nova's stamina will be under more duress having to play MD & XD.

[Krisna]

Personally, I would rather have Nova concentrates on XD and backup Flandy/Vita's goal to securing top 4 seedings. Nova's stamina will be under more duress having to play MD & XD.

Nova-Lily's #1 or #2 seeding is secured. Flandy-Vita's not so... In this Asian Championship, Nova will concentrate in MD, Lily in WD. Better, I think... ;)

[badadum]

Nova-Lily's #1 or #2 seeding is secured. Flandy-Vita's not so... In this Asian Championship, Nova will concentrate in MD, Lily in WD. Better, I think... ;)

What about the goal of preventing China's 3rd MXD from entering Olympic? ;)

[taufik-ist]

Exactly, taufik-ist! :D Actually, I heard from PBSI sources [just this morning] that Taufik can't wait to face and defeat Lin Dan in Istora. He has done so before and can do it again. :cool: Taufik is not afraid of Lin Dan at all! :cool: Taufik keeps saying "Put me up there! I want to win one point for INA."

*I am not kidding* :cool:

ho... ho i like that spirit.. the motivated taufik is hard to beat :D...

[taufik-ist]

What about the goal of preventing China's 3rd MXD from entering Olympic? ;)

still on bro... that's why PBSI send nova/chandra to Asian championship instead of flandy/chandra, flandy will concerntrate in XD.. PBSI want to prevent china to get 3 places for XD in OG

[badMania]

What about the goal of preventing China's 3rd MXD from entering Olympic? ;)

I believe it's PBSI's MAIN MISSION in the upcoming BAC.
Once Flandy/Vita get into the Final, its sayonara for Xie/Zhang :D

[CLELY]

Exactly, taufik-ist! :D Actually, I heard from PBSI sources [just this morning] that Taufik can't wait to face and defeat Lin Dan in Istora. He has done so before and can do it again. :cool: Taufik is not afraid of Lin Dan at all! :cool: Taufik keeps saying "Put me up there! I want to win one point for INA." *I am not kidding* :cool:

It means TH will become INA MS1 so he can challenge LD to contribute one crucial point as road opener for INA Thomas team. Last time TH beat LD in Istora was semifinal of Indonesia Open 2004 tournament (Dec/04), what a big match to wait!

Before meet CHN in final scenario, better to give focus for previous rounds, quarter and semifinal. On paper, KOR or MAS is possible opponent for INA at QF and DEN in last four. These three teams are really potential stumbling blocks and don't have far distance compare with CHN force in term of players capability. INA needs right strategy and high determination how to stop them.

As MS1, LD isn't the one and only tough test for TH but still other name who also is dangerous rival, Lee Chong Wei if INA faces MAS at quarterfinal.

[Noridayu]

For me, I believe that the team that displayed well-played game will win it. As hot favourites, usually they are more tension to win. Maybe underdog will enter final. Definitely I will always behind my favourite team,Malaysia.

[jamesd20]

For the good of this thread please refrain from diverting into separate issues and insulting opposing players.

This thread is for predicting who will win the thomas cup, not OG Qualification, Who is afraid of playing who, why some players haven't won everything or bringing up players' anomalous results losing lower ranked players.

Members who posts such things will spoil the enjoyment of the thread to other members and prevent them from voting in the poll since they will have caused the thread to be shut.

[badadum]

James, you must have notice that most thread such as this one usually went along smoothly until certain member, as you put it, start "insulting opposing players".
Appreciates the mods taking care of business and deleting such posts, but IMHO a precedence needs to be set.

[samuel882]

Since Xie Zhong Bo performed badly in the recent India Open (Althogh they won the title); China might have a surprise second MD line-up
Xu Chen & Guo Zheng Dong -- They stretched Fu Hai Feng/Cai Yun into 3 thrilling sets at the recent pratise match in China Camps.
Other results -LD beat CJ 21-8, 18-21, 21-12
And Bao CL beat Chen Yu in 2 easy sets

[eaglehelang]

What about the goal of preventing China's 3rd MXD from entering Olympic? ;)

Apparently, that's the plan according to PBSI, important plan too.:D

[badadum]

Since Xie Zhong Bo performed badly in the recent India Open (Althogh they won the title); China might have a surprise second MD line-up
Xu Chen & Guo Zheng Dong -- They stretched Fu Hai Feng/Cai Yun into 3 thrilling sets at the recent pratise match in China Camps.
Other results -LD beat CJ 21-8, 18-21, 21-12
And Bao CL beat Chen Yu in 2 easy sets

I'll be surprised if China does field this pair. The 2nd MD pair from MAS, INA and KOR are all in the top 10s. And they'll be playing in hostile territory to boot....

[LazyBuddy]

we have depth as well in MS although maybe not as experienced as CHN MS, but technically they're pretty good though..

If badminton is just about tecnique but no need for experience, then I can claim the same for CHN MDs. He Hanbin and etc do capture numerous title in MD and XD, and I am pretty sure they have "fine techniques". And they went into deeper rounds in SS and GS (some in XD events, though), so the experience is there, too.

I did not say who has to be afraid of others, all I am saying is to state the fact that IN do have more depth in MD, well CHN have more in MS. The current TC is a format of 5 games, therefore, depth of your 4th or 5th player/pair usually don't count. If you drag the format to be 15 games, that will be a very different story. :p

[Tommy Susanto]

who are you?
the head of PBSI?:D

You still haven't learnt anything lately, have you:o;):p

[Tommy Susanto]

denmark all the way!!!!!!!!!! because they are currently the underdogs... yeahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

DEN to win:eek:Don't even think about it;)