[quote=CLELY;842112]It means TH will become INA MS1 so he can challenge LD to contribute one crucial point as road opener for INA Thomas team. quote]

Isn't it right that all the INA MS are trying their best to aviod the honour to be the MS1 thus spare them the humilation to be defeated by Lin Dan. This is, if INA reach the final. Well, a very big IF.

DEN to win:eek:Don't even think about it;)
Why not?
PG will be MS2 and if he has recovered well from his injuries, he should be able to take out any MS2.That should be one comfortable point for DEN.DEN's MD1 and MD2 should have an even chance over any corresponding MD1 and MD2. Although I much prefer Boe/M as MD2 over the ancient MD who really are starting to overstay their time, given that Boe/M have beaten them twice now.I can't believe when Boe/M commented (in Swiss Open)they can only play in EC team and not individual whereas Eriksen/L are entered for both. DEN coaches do not seem like equal-opportunity people.No wonder the younger players have a hard time to crack through because when Boe/M finally managed to do that,their coaches become the obstruction by depriving them of their rightful opportunity to improve their OG08 ranking.Do DEN coaches stink in a sly way?

Why not?
PG will be MS2 and if he has recovered well from his injuries, he should be able to take out any MS2.That should be one comfortable point for DEN.DEN's MD1 and MD2 should have an even chance over any corresponding MD1 and MD2. Although I much prefer Boe/M as MD2 over the ancient MD who really are starting to overstay their time, given that Boe/M have beaten them twice now.I can't believe when Boe/M commented (in Swiss Open)they can only play in EC team and not individual whereas Eriksen/L are entered for both. DEN coaches do not seem like equal-opportunity people.No wonder the younger players have a hard time to crack through because when Boe/M finally managed to do that,their coaches become the obstruction by depriving them of their rightful opportunity to improve their OG08 ranking.Do DEN coaches stink in a sly way?

PG passed his best sell by date for at least 3-4 years!

PG passed his best sell by date for at least 3-4 years!
Check who he defeated in his last two or three tournaments before he came down.Then pls update here. Thank you.

Check who he defeated in his last two or three tournaments before he came down.Then pls update here. Thank you.

to be at your best you need to win a few matches back to back in a tournament from start to finish, i.e. as a winner. Then, you need to win a few tournaments back to back. there aren't any good to beat the top 5 players in 5 tournaments, one at a time, then lost the next round.

when PG was at his best, may be 4-6 years ago he was untouchable. even more dominated than LD nowaday.

Check who he defeated in his last two or three tournaments before he came down.Then pls update here. Thank you.

Potential MS2 match: Peter Gade beat Bao Chunlai and Peter won, as in the Korea Open 2008, 17-21, 23-21, 23-21 :)

Kenneth Jonassen also beat Chen Jin easily 21-11, 21-19 in the same tourney. If only Kenneth can become DEN's MS3...they will stand a very huge chance of beating Team China :o

to be at your best you need to win a few matches back to back in a tournament from start to finish, i.e. as a winner. Then, you need to win a few tournaments back to back. there aren't any good to beat the top 5 players in 5 tournaments, one at a time, then lost the next round.

when PG was at his best, may be 4-6 years ago he was untouchable. even more dominated than LD nowaday.
You're talking about individual tournaments. TC is a team championship.PG would only need to play specific opponents, his MS2 counterparts. He has beaten them all, but this needs to be verified by Badmania, BCF's right-on-time data centre. (Thanks, Badmania,for doing Alan Y's homework)

You're talking about individual tournaments. TC is a team championship.PG would only need to play specific opponents, his MS2 counterparts. He has beaten them all, but this needs to be verified by Badmania, BCF's right-on-time data centre. (Thanks, Badmania,for doing Alan Y's homework)
points taken. but surely winning tournaments is a good guide to one's form and consistency.

Potential MS2 match: Peter Gade beat Bao Chunlai and Peter won, as in the Korea Open 2008, 17-21, 23-21, 23-21 :)

Kenneth Jonassen also beat Chen Jin easily 21-11, 21-19 in the same tourney. If only Kenneth can become DEN's MS3...they will stand a very huge chance of beating Team China :o
if you'd beaten someone last time, and the time before, and the time before that it doesn't means that you're going to win next time. it's more likely that the tide going to turn against you, just by statistics. obviously, that apply to everyone.

particularly for the pressure under the team tournament. i do believe that the asian teams are better than the european teams for that as the european players are more individually, i think.

Isn't it right that all the INA MS are trying their best to aviod the honour to be the MS1 thus spare them the humilation to be defeated by Lin Dan. This is, if INA reach the final. Well, a very big IF.

Sigh, where on earth do you people keep coming up with this ?? :confused:

Actually, I heard from PBSI sources [just this morning] that Taufik can't wait to face and defeat Lin Dan in Istora. He has done so before and can do it again. :cool: Taufik is not afraid of Lin Dan at all! :cool: Taufik keeps saying "Put me up there! I want to win one point for INA."

Does that sounds like trying to avoid LD to you? :rolleyes:

if you'd beaten someone last time, and the time before, and the time before that it doesn't means that you're going to win next time. it's more likely that the tide going to turn against you, just by statistics. obviously, that apply to everyone.

particularly for the pressure under the team tournament. i do believe that the asian teams are better than the european teams for that as the european players are more individually, i think.
IT can be and cant be....if you say that European is more individually then European players will not have much pressures in the team tounament....

I am not sure if it is really true......:rolleyes:

this might be DEN's last chance to take the TC, given that peter, kenneth, jens, martin, lars and jonas might not be playing competitively any more in 2 years time, it's hard to see who's going to step up to replace them. i think the danes will go through a transition period of at least 4-6 years once this 'golden' batch retires.

After the 30-something generation retires, I am sure DEN will return... they always have. There are always Great Danes out there... Svend Pri, Erland Korps, Morten Frost, Ib Fredriksen, Paul Eric Hoyer Larsen, Peter Rasmussen, Peter Gade... they never stop! Just goes through up and downs... [like most of the other badminton powerhouses laaaahhh]

yup, that's why i said there'll be a transition period after this batch retire, prolly about 4-6 years ....

I am quite suprised that the Danish combination of Gade, Jonassen, Paaske/Rasmussen and Erikssen/Luungard-Hansen hasn't won a Thomas Cup before. It is like Denmark has periodic sudden bursts of talent, then a period of silence...

IT can be and cant be....if you say that European is more individually then European players will not have much pressures in the team tounament....

I am not sure if it is really true......:rolleyes:

What I’m trying to say is Europeans are unlikely to sacrificed oneself for the team. Lets say you’re playing the rubber game in the semi-final knowing that your teammate already won and awaiting for the winner of this match. If you’re behind have little chance to win, one way to help your teammate is to keep the rally as long as you can to tire your opponent out. In fact, you should do that from game 1 for the whole match. This is the right tactic to maximise the team’s chance. Can’t really see the Danish, English etc will do that. But, for the Chinese, Korean, Malaysian, Indonesian etc, of course.

I am quite suprised that the Danish combination of Gade, Jonassen, Paaske/Rasmussen and Erikssen/Luungard-Hansen hasn't won a Thomas Cup before. It is like Denmark has periodic sudden bursts of talent, then a period of silence...

Oh yeah, they had enough firepower to win the Thomas Cup if there are no INA and CHN for the last 10 years... :p

They went to the finals a couple of times... Definitely the last 2 times [2004 and 2006]... but could not win the Thomas Cup due to China's existence...

I am quite suprised that the Danish combination of Gade, Jonassen, Paaske/Rasmussen and Erikssen/Luungard-Hansen hasn't won a Thomas Cup before. It is like Denmark has periodic sudden bursts of talent, then a period of silence...

Denmark missed on their best chance ....... in 2000 at Kuala Lumpur when all these players were at their prime + Poul Erik Hoyer-Larsen. Only to be denied by our battling neighbour.

Could you imagine, Marleve Mainaky, their hero of the hour ......

Good thing I didn't miss that battle. :D

What I’m trying to say is Europeans are unlikely to sacrificed oneself for the team. Lets say you’re playing the rubber game in the semi-final knowing that your teammate already won and awaiting for the winner of this match. If you’re behind have little chance to win, one way to help your teammate is to keep the rally as long as you can to tire your opponent out. In fact, you should do that from game 1 for the whole match. This is the right tactic to maximise the team’s chance. Can’t really see the Danish, English etc will do that. But, for the Chinese, Korean, Malaysian, Indonesian etc, of course.
I understand...thats why I said" it can and cant be"....what you say is may be true for one tournament but may not for Thomas Cup or Sudirman Cup..and also if that player you are trying to tire out will be playing next discipline or not....

to be at your best you need to win a few matches back to back in a tournament from start to finish, i.e. as a winner. Then, you need to win a few tournaments back to back. there aren't any good to beat the top 5 players in 5 tournaments, one at a time, then lost the next round.

when PG was at his best, may be 4-6 years ago he was untouchable. even more dominated than LD nowaday.

Peter Gade wikipedia :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Gade

he only can win max 4 open titles within a year (1998), while LD can win 7-8 titles.:D
no one can match LD superiority:D

Peter Gade wikipedia :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Gade

he only can win max 4 open titles within a year (1998), while LD can win 7-8 titles.:D
no one can match LD superiority:D

ya.. lindan is superior compared with other players:D.. you must pray that he can win gold medal in OG 2008, coz IOC will drop badminton in OG 2012 :D :p

Oh yeah, they had enough firepower to win the Thomas Cup if there are no INA and CHN for the last 10 years... :p

They went to the finals a couple of times... Definitely the last 2 times [2004 and 2006]... but could not win the Thomas Cup due to China's existence...

Den also lost to Ina in TC 96

ya.. lindan is superior compared with other players:D.. you must pray that he can win gold medal in OG 2008, coz IOC will drop badminton in OG 2012 :D :p

England had already set their target to dominates badminton in 2016 or 2020.
I doubt if they will drop badminton when they host OG 2012

England had already set their target to dominates badminton in 2016 or 2020.
I doubt if they will drop badminton when they host OG 2012

have you read http://www.badmintoncentral.com/badminton-central/content/view/125/2/

Denmark missed on their best chance ....... in 2000 at Kuala Lumpur when all these players were at their prime + Poul Erik Hoyer-Larsen. Only to be denied by our battling neighbour.

Could you imagine, Marleve Mainaky, their hero of the hour ......

Good thing I didn't miss that battle. :D

ya i agree with you.. Denmark missed on their best chance in TC 2000

i remember that day :D.. ina almost lost to denmark.. that TC was a bad memory for chandra/sigit.. they lost surprisely to denmark pair and had made ina in danger position.. and Thank GOD marleve saved ina :D..

ya.. lindan is superior compared with other players:D.. you must pray that he can win gold medal in OG 2008, coz IOC will drop badminton in OG 2012 :D :p

This is pathetic, do you know the only bright chance for either Malaysia and Indonesia to win a gold in OG is through badminton, and here you are so glad that IOC drop badminton so LD won't win another gold?! Is there any good to put such teasing word? We should hope badminton stays on forever! but with IOC dropping badminton now, does that make you feel any better? Now Malaysia will also lose the chance to win any gold in OG if they couldn't win it this time, and so as Indonesia!!

This is pathetic, do you know the only bright chance for either Malaysia and Indonesia to win a gold in OG is through badminton, and here you are so glad that IOC drop badminton so LD won't win another gold?! Is there any good to put such teasing word? We should hope badminton stays on forever! but with IOC dropping badminton now, does that make you feel any better? Now Malaysia will also lose the chance to win any gold in OG if they couldn't win it this time, and so as Indonesia!!

sorry... i am very sad indeed :o :o :o :(.. if IOC really drops badminton.. indonesia, i believe , indonesia will not get gold medal in Og :eek:... i was just teasing winston_T :D

sorry... i am very sad indeed :o :o :o :(.. if IOC really drops badminton.. indonesia, i believe , indonesia will not get gold medal in Og :eek:... i was just teasing winston_T :D

taufik-ist, don't worry... Badminton as the one and only GOLD priority sport for INA is still 'exist' in London 2012 Olympic program. U can check on its official website, Greenwich Arena will become badminton and rythmic gymnastics venue and scheduled on 28 July - 04 August 2012.

I checked the website of London's 2012 Olympics... badminton is still there. INA can still win gold... I am still nervous that the Olympics committee considered badminton as one of the sports to drop. Drop equestrian and add golf instead... :D Leave badminton alone...

I think BWF should just do a better job at marketing badminton to the Central Asian, African, Middle East, Central-South American, and Central-East European countries. They have so many countries that can vote for badminton... :D

One day, the Thomas Cup finals competition should not compose of just 12 countries. Yeah I understand that not many countries support badminton at this time. So BWF should aim at 16 competing counties first, and then 32 sometime in the future [2022?]. That way, many more countries will pay attention to the finals. Unlike this year.

don't worry, badminton is safe until 2016 (if IOC appoint MAS / KOR / INA to host OG 2016):D

don't worry, badminton is safe until 2016 (if IOC appoint MAS / KOR / INA to host OG 2016):D

n if MAS/ KOR/ INA gets to be d host, we welcome u to come here Winston_T, is mlsia is chosen, u can sleep at my house, and of course, taufik-ist will be with us also.. :cool:

p/s: more ppl will join us too :cool:

btw, MAS did host d commonwealth games before and korea was d host for world cup, so IOC may choose us :) watch ur words yah winston_T :D:D:D

ya i agree with you.. Denmark missed on their best chance in TC 2000

i remember that day :D.. ina almost lost to denmark.. that TC was a bad memory for chandra/sigit.. they lost surprisely to denmark pair and had made ina in danger position.. and Thank GOD marleve saved ina :D..

Not a surprise to me, Eriksen/Larsen were miles superior to even their 1st pair then, Lundgaard/Paaske. Easily handed Malaysian Coaches Yap and Cheah a drubbing a few days before.

After looking at today's match between SS vs CJ, I'm not too sure about our MS3 prospect...

sony is now ina's MS1... and ina's chanche to bring back the thomas cup becomes higher :)

Let's see if he can match LD. ABC Final will be the prologue to this saga.

No matter how I wish the Chinese will win the TC, I believe they won't make it this time. From now on til aug, their emphasis is on Olympic gold rather than TC/UC. Lee Yong Bo, the chief coach is under severe pressure to bring home at least 3 n preferably 4 or more Olympic gold. His performance ( leadership ) will be compared with the ping pong team, I think. And you know Chinese ping pong dominates the world and is expected to continue to do so in Aug.

One can argue that the TC is prelude to Olympic performance but my gut feeling says no. Besides the recent Lin Dan's punching coach incident must have affected the team emotionally and I bet it's negative rather than positive.

That's why I pick the Home team as the TC favorite

n if MAS/ KOR/ INA gets to be d host, we welcome u to come here Winston_T, is mlsia is chosen, u can sleep at my house, and of course, taufik-ist will be with us also.. :cool:

p/s: more ppl will join us too :cool:

btw, MAS did host d commonwealth games before and korea was d host for world cup, so IOC may choose us :) watch ur words yah winston_T :D:D:D

I believe Seoul hosted the OG before...

No matter how I wish the Chinese will win the TC, I believe they won't make it this time. From now on til aug, their emphasis is on Olympic gold rather than TC/UC. Lee Yong Bo, the chief coach is under severe pressure to bring home at least 3 n preferably 4 or more Olympic gold. His performance ( leadership ) will be compared with the ping pong team, I think. And you know Chinese ping pong dominates the world and is expected to continue to do so in Aug.

One can argue that the TC is prelude to Olympic performance but my gut feeling says no. Besides the recent Lin Dan's punching coach incident must have affected the team emotionally and I bet it's negative rather than positive.

That's why I pick the Home team as the TC favorite

I'm not so sure about them not taking the TC home, I think they'll see this as a test before the olympics and they'll want to have some sort of momentum going in... As to the Ping Pong team, China's domination of Ping Pong is much much greater than their domination of badminton, which really says something about their Ping Pong players...

One can argue that the TC is prelude to Olympic performance but my gut feeling says no. Besides the recent Lin Dan's punching coach incident must have affected the team emotionally and I bet it's negative rather than positive.

That's why I pick the Home team as the TC favorite

In May 1992, Indonesia did not win the Thomas and Uber Cup... but in the 1992 Summer Olympics, INA won MS & WS gold, got 2 silver an a bronze too... ;) :D

After looking at today's match between SS vs CJ, I'm not too sure about our MS3 prospect...

Yes, Simon needs to do quite a bit more work.

sony is now ina's MS1... and ina's chanche to bring back the thomas cup becomes higher :)

But at least Sony is back in form. Lost to Park due to fitness. One thing I worry about Sony is that he is physically fragile, was limping a bit at the hotel after the match. In contrast, Park was already quite fresh.

Some more physical training needed ......

Yes, Simon needs to do quite a bit more work.

But at least Sony is back in form. Lost to Park due to fitness. One thing I worry about Sony is that he is physically fragile, was limping a bit at the hotel after the match. In contrast, Park was already quite fresh.

Some more physical training needed ......

I won't say he's back in form yet after the dismal run in AE & Swiss Open. The only top player he beat in ABC is Yo-yo king (HH).
He's fully capable of beating LHI though, and he has forced LD and LCW to rubbers in the past.

Some of the top Guns of KOREA might pull out from TCUC Finals to concentrate on their preparation for OG 08..
Probably Li Mao protege LHI or even PSH..
not sure yet.. need to wait for final confirmation on nomination day to submit their full team

Some of the top Guns of KOREA might pull out from TCUC Finals to concentrate on their preparation for OG 08..
Probably Li Mao protege LHI or even PSH..
not sure yet.. need to wait for final confirmation on nomination day to submit their full team

They might pull out the MS but leaving their MD in? That doesn't make any sense at all since LDY/JJS is their best chance for Olympic Gold.... If they want to concentrate on OG, might as well pull out their MD as well from TC since they won't have a chance of winning it.

Some of the top Guns of KOREA might pull out from TCUC Finals to concentrate on their preparation for OG 08..
Probably Li Mao protege LHI or even PSH..
not sure yet.. need to wait for final confirmation on nomination day to submit their full team
They might pull out the MS but leaving their MD in? That doesn't make any sense at all since LDY/JJS is their best chance for Olympic Gold.... If they want to concentrate on OG, might as well pull out their MD as well from TC since they won't have a chance of winning it.
..i think the KOR coaches know what their MD pairs are capable of..I think they want to give more preparation to their MS players...Although, in a way, it doesn't make much sense either to pull back some of the Thomas Cup players but let the Uber Cup members compete. Plus, there are still a few months left and a couple or so more SS tourneys for them to participate in..:confused:
*samuel882(Sam), just curious, from which source(s) did you get this info from??..:confused:

..i think the KOR coaches know what their MD pairs are capable of..I think they want to give more preparation to their MS players...Although, in a way, it doesn't make much sense either to pull back some of the Thomas Cup players but let the Uber Cup members compete. Plus, there are still a few months left and a couple or so more SS tourneys for them to participate in..:confused:
*samuel882(Sam), just curious, from which source(s) did you get this info from??..:confused:

It is reported in newspaper quoted Li Mao saying " if necessary, PSW may not play TC

It is reported in newspaper quoted Li Mao saying " if necessary, PSW may not play TC
..PSH qualified to play in the Olympis??..:confused:..

..i think the KOR coaches know what their MD pairs are capable of..I think they want to give more preparation to their MS players...Although, in a way, it doesn't make much sense either to pull back some of the Thomas Cup players but let the Uber Cup members compete. Plus, there are still a few months left and a couple or so more SS tourneys for them to participate in..:confused:
*samuel882(Sam), just curious, from which source(s) did you get this info from??..:confused:
KOREAN MD is strong enough. Based on their current form, even though they did not participate in TC Finals, ALL the other team will be focus to work on the strategy on how to beat them for GOLD in Beijing...
Li Mao already stated before that he wont accompany Korean team for TC Finals. So, the possibly is there that his protege will skip this tournament.
For KOREAN, their main aim is always to be wining at OG, TC will not be their target this year.
Don't be surprise to see several Korean players who have already qualify for OG will be omitted for upcoming SS events too ;)
The source is from Chinapress.com :) I don't have the time to translate it, thats why i did not put the link here :o

..PSH qualified to play in the Olympis??..:confused:..
Park is currently ranked no. 10 in the world :)

KOREAN MD is strong enough. Based on their current form, even though they did not participate in TC Finals, ALL the other team will be focus to work on the strategy on how to beat them for GOLD in Beijing...
Li Mao already stated before that he wont accompany Korean team for TC Finals. So, the possibly is there that his protege will skip this tournament.
For KOREAN, their main aim is always to be wining at OG, TC will not be their target this year.
Don't be surprise to see several Korean players who have already qualify for OG will be omitted for upcoming SS events too ;)
The source is from Chinapress.com :) I don't have the time to translate it, thats why i did not put the link here :o
Park is currently ranked no. 10 in the world :)
..it makes some sense, then, for the coaches to pull out some of their MS players. But then how about the KOR ladies??..Jun JaeYoun?? Hwang HyeYoun??..Are the coaches not giving them some consideration for the Olympic Games??..I think one madbad will be quite upset with this unfair treatment of the KOR WS ladies...hmm..:rolleyes: ;)

I think the Korean is playing 'mind game',as usual to make their opponent 'confuse'. The Korean have started the 'winning wave' since the begining of the year,from LHI,the MD- LYD-JJS,HJM-LJJ&now the most recent ABC MS champion PSH.They are not the 'dark horse' anymore as used to be but the TC contender.I would rate their chances in the TC even higher than MAS & DEN.Based on the current superb performance and having such a solid team,i don't think the Korean will not sending their best players to Jakarta.

I think this TC is a good event for KOR to test the mental strength of their players! It might be a big waste if they just choose the OG...

I think the Korean is playing 'mind game',as usual to make their opponent 'confuse'. The Korean have started the 'winning wave' since the begining of the year,from LHI,the MD- LYD-JJS,HJM-LJJ&now the most recent ABC MS champion PSH.They are not the 'dark horse' anymore as used to be but the TC contender.I would rate their chances in the TC even higher than MAS & DEN.Based on the current superb performance and having such a solid team,i don't think the Korean will not sending their best players to Jakarta.

absolutely......agree..totally :D:D:D

According to one of the Korean officials (who declined to be named) during ABC, they might "purposely" lost to both ENG & MAS in order to avoid meeting with INa in the QF

According to one of the Korean officials (who declined to be named) during ABC, they might "purposely" lost to both ENG & MAS in order to avoid meeting with INa in the QF

do you really think that never happened before or will ever happen again?

According to one of the Korean officials (who declined to be named) during ABC, they might "purposely" lost to both ENG & MAS in order to avoid meeting with INa in the QF

so who will they meet in QF in this scenario? dun tell me CHN :eek::p

so who will they meet in QF in this scenario? dun tell me CHN :eek::p
canada or nigeria, it's a tough one!

canada or nigeria, it's a tough one!

Errr... u mean, in World Cup or Africa Cup? :eek::D

well, that sorta strategy has been used very often in the TC, and indeed many other tournaments. no one wants to meet one of the favourites, not to mention the host nation.

well, that sorta strategy has been used very often in the TC, and indeed many other tournaments. no one wants to meet one of the favourites, not to mention the host nation.
..the host country/nation is, say, the U.S.A.??..;)

Being the host nation doesn't seem to help if we check history.

In 1986, INA is the host, lost to CHN.

In 1988 and 1990, location doesn't matter since CHN was clearly above other teams.

In 1992, MAS beated two stronger teams CHN and INA.

In 1994 -- 2000, location doesn't matter since INA was clearly above other teams.

In 2002, CHN is the host nation, lost to MAS.

In 2004, INA is the host nation, lost to DEN.

In 2006, MAS is the host nation, lost to DEN.

The point is, more often than not, the host nation lost to a (somewhat) weaker (definitely not stronger) opponent.

The only time the host nation did magic, that is beated stronger opponents, is MAS in 1992. :cool: (I guess MAS used up the "host nation magic", they beated two stronger opponents, and that may be why in the following years host nations are not lucky anymore. :D)

IMHO, CHN in 2008 is a bit like INA in 2002, at the end of its domination, but still overall a bit stronger than competitors.

..
In 2006, MAS is the host nation, lost to DEN.

The point is, more often than not, the host nation lost to a (somewhat) weaker (definitely not stronger) opponent.
...
..correction. The Thomas and Uber Cups were held in Sendai and Tokyo, Japan, 2 yrs ago.;)

For those interested, here's a link to the history of the Thomas Cup.:cool:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Cup
IMHO, CHN in 2008 is a bit like INA in 2002, at the end of its domination, but still overall a bit stronger than competitors.
..in a similar way, INA's TC squad is also nearing the end of its domination, this yr.

Thanks for the correction!

..correction. The Thomas and Uber Cups were held in Sendai and Tokyo, Japan, 2 yrs ago.;)

For those interested, here's a link to the history of the Thomas Cup.:cool:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Cup

..in a similar way, INA's TC squad is also nearing the end of its domination, this yr.

..No problem..;)..

In 1994 -- 2000, location doesn't matter since INA was clearly above other teams.

The point is, more often than not, the host nation lost to a (somewhat) weaker (definitely not stronger) opponent.

The only time the host nation did magic, that is beated stronger opponents, is MAS in 1992. :cool: (I guess MAS used up the "host nation magic", they beated two stronger opponents, and that may be why in the following years host nations are not lucky anymore. :D)

In 2000, Denmark is strongest, but lost to INA's superior spirit. The same spirit that brought Malaysia victory in 1992.

In '82, China overturned a 3-1 deficit against a superior Indonesia. The heroes? Han Jian and one not so well known CHN pair (Sun Zhian/Yao Ximing).

Never underestimate spirit, magic can still happen. To Indonesia, other teams ....... or even China, they could be behind 0-2 to eventually win the tie.

Don't think so. INA was obviously stronger in two MDs, and the 3 MSs are at the same level as the DEN MSs.

In 2000, Denmark is strongest, but lost to INA's superior spirit. The same spirit that brought Malaysia victory in 1992.

Being the host nation doesn't seem to help if we check history.

In 1992, MAS beated two stronger teams CHN and INA.

The point is, more often than not, the host nation lost to a (somewhat) weaker (definitely not stronger) opponent.

The only time the host nation did magic, that is beated stronger opponents, is MAS in 1992. :cool: (I guess MAS used up the "host nation magic", they beated two stronger opponents, and that may be why in the following years host nations are not lucky anymore. :D)
Interestingly, CHN has never won TC at homeground (CHN and HKG).

Btw, beat1 [biːt] verb — past tense beat; past participle ˈbeaten. :p

Thanks! I am always frustrated when I try to write the past tense of "beat". :(

Interestingly, CHN has never won TC at homeground (CHN and HKG).

Btw, beat1 [biːt] verb — past tense beat; past participle ˈbeaten. :p

Thanks! I am always frustrated when I try to write the past tense of "beat". :(
It's common mistake by many. I saw u kept on repeating it, so... :D I hope u don't feel offended... :)

robin7 strikes again!

robin7 strikes again!

yup right....''tak apelah tuh...sikit sahaje'' (try to speak in Malay...hehehe:D:D:D)

Of course not! I appreciate your help!

It's common mistake by many. I saw u kept on repeating it, so... :D I hope u don't feel offended... :)

Don't think so. INA was obviously stronger in two MDs, and the 3 MSs are at the same level as the DEN MSs.

You are entitled to your opinion .... :)

I am entitled to being there myself. :D

INA MD vs DEN MD > INA has edge, but Candra/Sigit lost. Maybe Sigit was too fanciful.
INA MS vs DEN MS > DEN has edge, but only Gade won in a hard battle. Taufik levelled, and Kenneth unexpectedly failed against Marleve Mainaky. Now that, is spirit at work! :)

Come to think of it, Simon almost managed to force Peter Rasmussen to rubber games in 2004, but failed. Momentum might have shifted if Simon took the 2nd game.

experience won the day on that occassion. simon just didn't cope with the pressure as well and left himself too much to do in the end. it was a really difficult position to be in for one so young.

There is this talk in Malaysian newspapers that the Malaysia vs Korea matchup might be a dud.

Reason being the path to final is easier thru the bottom draw (with Indonesia and Denmark) than thru the top draw (great wall in semis).

Having seen a few dud matches myself, the most glaring of which was the INA vs CHN group match in 1992, I hope both countries will give their all. If you wanna win the cup, you have to beat every obstacle anyway.

Yeah, abedeng, the news article is in the news thread. A few of us were thinking, what if both countries try to give way. The matches would go hmmm awkwardly...shots out one side, then out the other side.
Samuel also mentioned Korea might be thinking of losing to both Msia & England in order to avoid Indonesia in QF.

So... it's either avoid Indonesia or avoid China, Indonesia, China, Indonesia, CHina.......Well....China's LYB is master at strategy..

Yeah, abedeng, the news article is in the news thread. A few of us were thinking, what if both countries try to give way. The matches would go hmmm awkwardly...shots out one side, then out the other side.
Samuel also mentioned Korea might be thinking of losing to both Msia & England in order to avoid Indonesia in QF.

So... it's either avoid Indonesia or avoid China, Indonesia, China, Indonesia, CHina.......Well....China's LYB is master at strategy..

This is why I think the current format just doesn't make any sense. Team can lose all the group matches and still advance to the next round..... Wtheck??? :rolleyes:

What makes KOR think the Danish oldies is easier to handle than INA anyway? They could very well lose the first 2 MS and both of the DEN veteran pairs can win against either KOR pairings.

or imagine players trying to argue that their shot was OUT instead of IN :D

Yeah, abedeng, the news article is in the news thread. A few of us were thinking, what if both countries try to give way. The matches would go hmmm awkwardly...shots out one side, then out the other side.


Looking at the coach's comments, what he is actually saying is "If we lose to Korea, it's not the end of the world". In short, reducing the pressure on the players.

But it is better not to strategize to lose. And I agree with the comment, 3rd placed finishers should not have a chance to proceed. Period.

Although I never understand how come Marleve can play 1st single in 2002, I think he is at the same level as Jonassen. Can you explain why KJ's loss is "unexpected"? I am not very familiar with the ranking situation in 2000.

After INA vs. DEN in 2004, I saw somewhere that SS gave up 1st game so that he can have "stamina edge" in the following two. The problem is, he gave it up too easily without tiring PR up... :D

This time I think SS can do some real damage. On paper he is only weaker than CJ as 3rd MS. I think he has good chance beating CJ should they meet, and I believe Hendrawan has the same thought too... ;)

You are entitled to your opinion .... :)

I am entitled to being there myself. :D

INA MD vs DEN MD > INA has edge, but Candra/Sigit lost. Maybe Sigit was too fanciful.
INA MS vs DEN MS > DEN has edge, but only Gade won in a hard battle. Taufik levelled, and Kenneth unexpectedly failed against Marleve Mainaky. Now that, is spirit at work! :)

Come to think of it, Simon almost managed to force Peter Rasmussen to rubber games in 2004, but failed. Momentum might have shifted if Simon took the 2nd game.

or imagine players trying to argue that their shot was OUT instead of IN :D


i've done that before..

i've done that before..
Seriously?I'd like to see ur game then
the most noble shuttler in the world.Or perhaps universe.

Seriously?I'd like to see ur game then
the most noble shuttler in the world.Or perhaps universe.

well, as mentioned before in the forum, some of the older generation pros have been very sporting before when it came to line calls. han jian is a prime example.

well, as mentioned before in the forum, some of the older generation pros have been very sporting before when it came to line calls. han jian is a prime example.
World Changes.

Hold on.PlayeFromMalaya is an older generation?No la.
So,they are dying breed.Good i found one here.

World Changes.

Hold on.PlayeFromMalaya is an older generation?No la.
So,they are dying breed.Good i found one here.


lol..im only 16..and yea i really did that..was playing against a state player..ended up having a reserve..i lost the rally and the game..oh well

china is going to win....

nope, he juz giving his opinion about Korean MD with our MAS md...:)

I'll put the pressure on China, unless they kelong.

Looking at Thomas cup draw, it might be better for Korea or Malaysia team to become third in the group, so that they will have easier route to final compare to becoming 1st or 2nd in the group!
To win the group, they will face China in the semi; alternatively, the winner of B group will face Indo in Quarter final.
Who's know, may be Korea/Malaysia deliberately loss all their matches to make this happens....

It's Time For Simon Santoso To Prove His Worth!!

Well Simon did well on the game vs Thai!! Great game for him not to buckle under pressure.

I have a suggestion that might take away the need to position the team not to meet China. Firstly, eliminate the 3rd place team in the group. If you win the group, you're seeded #1 for the QF. Likewise, the 2nd place finisher gets the #2 seed. There is no predetermined passage for any team prior to the competition (ie, if MAS or KOR finishes 2nd, they avoid China through knowledge of the draw).

All the #1 seeded teams go in one hat, all the #2 seeded teams go in another. Then they are drawn so that all #1 seeds play #2 seeds. All winners then drawn again for the SF. By that time all teams should be about equal (bar China), so it'd turn out quite fair. This way, no one knows who they will be facing ahead of time plus it makes them want to win the group to be a #1 seed (hence not facing CHN in the QF).

Madbad, agree your view. Flaw of the system really. It is absolutely pointless to let all three teams in the group qualify into next round & creat chances for the team to choice who they want to play in the subsequent rounds. My suggestion would be winner of each group will be seeded together with defending champion, then these 4 seeded countries will only play against 2nd runner up of other group in the quarter final.

As much as I'm hoping M'sia will end China streak, but I just got to say that their too strong. Their singles are so so strong. Nevertheless, lets hope that the doubles will pull victories for M'sia.

I put all my bets on CHN to grab both T&U titles.

As for runner ups, Thomas should go to INA and Uber should go to...I dont really care.

Against all odds, I think Korea & Msia will meet in final.

Reason: nobody can predict a quake will happen in Sichuan, China.

Against all odds, I think Korea & Msia will meet in final.

Reason: nobody can predict a quake will happen in Sichuan, China.

and Korea *again* will lost 1-4 to MAS. :D

Joong Soo had mistaken he submit the weird "mix" team list instead of real list, and he cant changed it in last minutes...so he regretted.....