For academic interest: If Thomas Cup will be held in the next week ..

China is of course the hot favorite with 4 strong MS and 1 top MD. I think Indonesia (where only TH can pose a threat; unless CW/TG are allowed to play under the Ina banner) and S. Korea (JJS/LJJ or even JJS/LYD can't do much; their only strong point is the 2nd MD) won't have a chance, not to mention the other second-rated teams.

That leaves Malaysia and Denmark.

Mas should be able to win the 2nd MD and either KKK/TBH or CTF/LWW still have a fighting chance against CY/FHF, so is the on-form LCW against LD. If Mas fail in either match, they could only pray for a miracle in the 2nd or 3rd MS. Another academic question: If Mas is given the choice in picking the 1st MD (rather than determined by their world rankings), which pair would Rexy pick? KKK/TBH or CTF/LWW?

For Denmark, they have PGC, KJ and JE/MLH. However, they don't seem to be reliable anymore, judging from their performances in the last few SS. For the 2nd MD, the vets LP/JR may have a fighting chance against the shaky GZD/XZB.

China's depth in MS makes them hold huge advantage when it comes to the 3rd MS, no matter which team they are against. However, if TC's format were 2 MS + 3 MD instead, then Mas will hold a slight advantage - but such a thing of course won't happen.

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For academic interest: If Thomas Cup will be held in the next week ..

China is of course the hot favorite with 4 strong MS and 1 top MD. I think Indonesia (where only TH can pose a threat; unless CW/TG are allowed to play under the Ina banner) and S. Korea (JJS/LJJ or even JJS/LYD can't do much; their only strong point is the 2nd MD) won't have a chance, not to mention the other second-rated teams.

That leaves Malaysia and Denmark.

Mas should be able to win the 2nd MD and either KKK/TBH or CTF/LWW still have a fighting chance against CY/FHF, so is the on-form LCW against LD. If Mas fail in either match, they could only pray for a miracle in the 2nd or 3rd MS. Another academic question: If Mas is given the choice in picking the 1st MD (rather than determined by their world rankings), which pair would Rexy pick? KKK/TBH or CTF/LWW?

For Denmark, they have PGC, KJ and JE/MLH. However, they don't seem to be reliable anymore, judging from their performances in the last few SS. For the 2nd MD, the vets LP/JR may have a fighting chance against the shaky GZD/XZB.

China's depth in MS makes them hold huge advantage when it comes to the 3rd MS, no matter which team they are against. However, if TC's format were 2 MS + 3 MD instead, then Mas will hold a slight advantage - but such a thing of course won't happen.

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interesting analysis from you. i was wondering about this too but you mentioned it first. haha. having good singles player are always an advantage.

China's depth in MS makes them hold huge advantage when it comes to the 3rd MS, no matter which team they are against. However, if TC's format were 2 MS + 3 MD instead, then Mas will hold a slight advantage - but such a thing of course won't happen.

(Mod: moved from original thread)If you look at previous Thomas cups by Indonesia, they won because the doubles were rock solid. China's singles were also supposed to be solid but fell down. Look at the ones played in HK 1998, KL in 2000, China 2002. Three singles were supposed to come up trumps. However, only one loss in singles and your whole tactical game plan comes falling down.

Indonesia couldn't maintain their dominance in men's doubles which let China win in 2004.


China's depth in singles has been a theoretical advantage which remained theoretical until their doubles players came up to standard.

currently, China's men singles and CY/FHF looks unbeatable. china has the advantage. but if one of china's singles fell, then other countries stand a chance.

it's very hard to see CHN not getting at least 3 points from LD, BCL, CJ and CY/FHF. agreed that MD2 is shaky, but they really don't need it, i can't see any other country taking 2 of the 4 matches mentioned above, no matter how they shuffle their lineup.

it's very hard to see CHN not getting at least 3 points from LD, BCL, CJ and CY/FHF. agreed that MD2 is shaky, but they really don't need it, i can't see any other country taking 2 of the 4 matches mentioned above, no matter how they shuffle their lineup.
the worry is CHina might win the tie from their 1st single, 1st double and 2nd single. there's no need to play their 2nd double. :)

even if they have to play MD2, no country has a stronger MS3. i can see sony giving BCL and CJ a fight, we'll need to see how much more he improves before the competition next year.

The 1st single player carries a lot of pressure as outcome of the match is generally an indicator of the outcome of the competition. However, if the 1st double is strong, the team can still come through if the 1st single flops. For TO 04, LD came thru' but FHF/CY didn't but the 2nd doubles were there to see China thru'. Fu/CY has improved vastly in terms of composure & mental strength.

I did an analysis on the results of the 6 SS so far in 2007.
(See http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=43738)

If the TC is to be held tomorrow, I donot think China will have an easy passage.

The strength of China, as it stands, is their 2nd and 3rd MS. Whilst their weakest link will be their 2nd MD. So that only give China a 2:1 advantage.

The 1st MS and 1st MD is anyone guess.

As a matter of fact, I would think Malaysia stands a good chance challenging China given the current forms of players.

Indonesia is dissapointing in 2007 (so far) whilst Denmark can only depend on PG whilst their MD seems to lost their edge against the younger pairs ni the NSS.

I did an analysis on the results of the 6 SS so far in 2007.
(See http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=43738)

If the TC is to be held tomorrow, I donot think China will have an easy passage.

The strength of China, as it stands, is their 2nd and 3rd MS. Whilst their weakest link will be their 2nd MD. So that only give China a 2:1 advantage.

The 1st MS and 1st MD is anyone guess.



I agree with your numerical comparision, but I have to say the team match is a bit different than individual matches. In the SS, you fight for yourself, whether your teammate doing well in the previous match or not, has nothing (or, very little) effect on your own performance.

However, in team match, if your team lost a "sure point" to the opponent, then, you are facing the situation of "must win" which gives the player extra pressure. That's exactly why CHN can't win in 90's, as their single players know they can't lose, as their MD are too weak.

So, the situation is here. If CHN loses 1st MS or 1st MD or even both, they still stand a chance to give a fight. If any other nations suffer the same, pretty much just raise the "white flag". Therefore, the in theory "2 : 1" advantage could be even bigger than it appears. ;)

Inky2000, I think its not very wise to rule Ina out and your statement which says that only TH pose a threat is dead wrong. I think Ina and Mas are the 2 countries that has possibilities of knocking Chn off.

Ina will be counting on TH and their 2nd MD to get the points, meanwhile Chn will be counting on the 3rd MS. 2nd MS and 1st MD IMO is going to be the decider. Sony is capable of beating Chn's 2nd MS (most likely BCL). Markis/Hendra, altho they havent been in great forms recently, showed that they were able to beat Cai/Fu before, even tho Chn has the edge here but its not impossible for the Ina pair to take this one. I would actually count Ina as the one with the biggest chance of beating Chn in Thomas Cup

In this tie, if Ina is to beat Chn the here is what I predict would happen

TH to beat LD
Markis/Hendra to beat to Fu/Cai (50:50)
Sony to beat BCL (50:50)
Hendra/Joko to beat Guo/Xie
Simon lose to Chen Jin

Hence 3:2 or even 4:1 scoreline to Ina are possible.

Mas on the other hand have just slightly tighter chance of beating Chn. They will be counting on 2nd MD and hoping to get the edge on 1st MD, while Chn will be counting on 2nd and 3rd MS. 1st MS, LCW v LD, could be the decider in this tie.

In this tie, if Mas is to beat Chn the here is what I predict would happen

LCW to beat LD (50:50)
Mas pair to beat Cai/Fu
Hashim lose to BCL
Mas pair to beat Guo/Xie
KBH lose to Chen Jin

Hence 3:2 scoreline to Mas

Again these are just what I think the scenario is going to be if Chn is to fall to either of these 2 countries, but of course other ppl may have different opinions/ideas.

Cannot Smash, what you have stated is of course possible. But what Inky2000 have assumed that "what if" the Thomas Cup is held NOW - then the players current form will be the key determine factor in this hypothesis. In that case, the INA beating CHN scenario is very unlikely but the MAL beating CHN in a 3:2 scenario is likely.

Nevertheless, this is pure guess as in all prediction. The fun is in the analysis and more fun when we look back after the event and either laugh at ourselves or tell ourselves: well done!

Cannot Smash, what you have stated is of course possible. But what Inky2000 have assumed that "what if" the Thomas Cup is held NOW - then the players current form will be the key determine factor in this hypothesis. In that case, the INA beating CHN scenario is very unlikely but the MAL beating CHN in a 3:2 scenario is likely.

Nevertheless, this is pure guess as in all prediction. The fun is in the analysis and more fun when we look back after the event and either laugh at ourselves or tell ourselves: well done!

Ooopsie hahaha i forgot about the NOW scenario :D :p. But, even if that was the scene then still dont say that Ina is unlikely to beat Chn because here is the probable scenario, and again Sony is going to be the decider, as he is not in poor form at the moment.

TH to beat LD
Markis/Hendra lose to Cai/Fu
Sony to beat Chen Yu
Joko/Hendra to beat Guo/Xie
Simon to lose

No 4:1 but 3:2 still probable.

Now lets wait till the real TC, and I'm here well prepared for u all to laugh at me then hahaha :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :cool:

No country had ever lifted Thomas Cup by winning all 3 singles, not even during its peak when Yang Yang/Zhao Jian Hua/Xiong Guo Bao were playing for the singles.

Anyway, China will be the favorite to win, followed by Malaysia, Denmark, Indonesia and Korea.

(1) China to win by 2S + 1D; all 3 singles can deliver points but pressure will be on Cai Yun/Foo Hai Feng to deliver the crucial point if one of the singles fails. 80% chance of winning

(2) Malaysia to win by 1S + 2D; pressure will be on Lee Chong Wei to deliver the first point. 60% Malaysia Boleh

(3) Denmark to win: 1S + 2D; pressure will be on Peter Gade to deliver the crucial point. Can the oldest team win? 50%

(4) Indonesia to win: 2S + 1D, pressure will be on singles to deliver the crucial points. 40%

(5) Korea to win: 1S + 2D. 30%

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If everything goes well, China is expected to meet Malaysia in the final.

There are a few possible outcomes:

(1) China beat Malaysia 3-0

LinD beat LeeCW
CaiY/FuHF beat KooKK/TanBH
BaoCL beat Hafiz

(2) China beat Malaysia 3-1

LinD beat LeeCW
CaiY/FuHF lost to KooKK/TanBH
BaoCL beat Hafiz
XieZB/ZhengB beat LeeWW/ChoongTF (Unlikely)

OR

LinD lost to LeeCW
CaiY/FuHF beat KooKK/TanBH
BaoCL beat Hafiz
XieZB/ZhengB beat LeeWW/ChoongTF (Unlikely)

(3) China beat Malaysia 3-2

LinD beat to LeeCW
CaiY/FuHF lost to KooKK/TanBH
BaoCL beat Hafiz
XieZB/ZhengB lost to LeeWW/ChoongTF
ChenJ beat KuanBH


Question: Can China win all the singles?

(4) China lost to Malaysia 0-3

LinD lost to LeeCW
CaiY/FuHF lost to KooKK/TanBH
BaoCL lost to Hafiz

(5) China lost to Malaysia 1-3

LinD beat LeeCW
CaiY/FuHF lost to KooKK/TanBH
BaoCL lost to Hafiz
XieZB/ZhengB lost to LeeWW/ChoongTF

(6) China lost to Malaysia 2-3

LinD beat LeeCW
CaiY/FuHF lost to KooKK/TanBH
BaoCL beat Hafiz
XieZB/ZhengB lost to LeeWW/ChoongTF
ChenJ lost to KuanBH (Unlikely)

Prediction:
(a) China will win either 3-0 or 3-2 whereas Malaysia will win 3-0 or 3-1.
(b) If it gets into 5th tie, China has the upper hand.
(c) If China loses its 1st single, pressure will be on 3rd single to deliver the winning point.

Hi.

- Impossible China lost to Malaysia. Possible China win to Malaysia (3-0 or 3-1).
- not sure Malaysia can go to final. SemiFinal yes, I am Sure.


If everything goes well, China is expected to meet Malaysia in the final.

There are a few possible outcomes:

(1) China beat Malaysia 3-0

LinD beat LeeCW
CaiY/FuHF beat KooKK/TanBH
BaoCL beat Hafiz

(2) China beat Malaysia 3-1

LinD beat LeeCW
CaiY/FuHF lost to KooKK/TanBH
BaoCL beat Hafiz
XieZB/ZhengB beat LeeWW/ChoongTF (Unlikely)

OR

LinD lost to LeeCW
CaiY/FuHF beat KooKK/TanBH
BaoCL beat Hafiz
XieZB/ZhengB beat LeeWW/ChoongTF (Unlikely)

(3) China beat Malaysia 3-2

LinD beat to LeeCW
CaiY/FuHF lost to KooKK/TanBH
BaoCL beat Hafiz
XieZB/ZhengB lost to LeeWW/ChoongTF
ChenJ beat KuanBH


Question: Can China win all the singles?

(4) China lost to Malaysia 0-3

LinD lost to LeeCW
CaiY/FuHF lost to KooKK/TanBH
BaoCL lost to Hafiz

(5) China lost to Malaysia 1-3

LinD beat LeeCW
CaiY/FuHF lost to KooKK/TanBH
BaoCL lost to Hafiz
XieZB/ZhengB lost to LeeWW/ChoongTF

(6) China lost to Malaysia 2-3

LinD beat LeeCW
CaiY/FuHF lost to KooKK/TanBH
BaoCL beat Hafiz
XieZB/ZhengB lost to LeeWW/ChoongTF
ChenJ lost to KuanBH (Unlikely)

Prediction:
(a) China will win either 3-0 or 3-2 whereas Malaysia will win 3-0 or 3-1.
(b) If it gets into 5th tie, China has the upper hand.
(c) If China loses its 1st single, pressure will be on 3rd single to deliver the winning point.

...

(3) China beat Malaysia 3-2

LinD beat to LeeCW
CaiY/FuHF lost to KooKK/TanBH
BaoCL beat Hafiz
XieZB/ZhengB lost to LeeWW/ChoongTF
ChenJ beat KuanBH


Question: Can China win all the singles?

(4) China lost to Malaysia 0-3

LinD lost to LeeCW
CaiY/FuHF lost to KooKK/TanBH
BaoCL lost to Hafiz

(5) China lost to Malaysia 1-3

LinD beat LeeCW
CaiY/FuHF lost to KooKK/TanBH
BaoCL lost to Hafiz
XieZB/ZhengB lost to LeeWW/ChoongTF

(6) China lost to Malaysia 2-3

LinD beat LeeCW
CaiY/FuHF lost to KooKK/TanBH
BaoCL beat Hafiz
XieZB/ZhengB lost to LeeWW/ChoongTF
ChenJ lost to KuanBH (Unlikely)



If I were Yap Kim Hock, I would have second thought on whether I want to make KHB the 3rd single, judging from his current form. I thought Tsuen Seng or even the experienced Choong Hann has a better chance in beating most of the 3rd singles of other national teams.

What MAS needs to do is to win both MD matches and steal 1 MS match from CHN ... sounds familiar as the same strategy came to our mind in 1990s when MAS faced CHN or INA in some of the TC editions.

Still, as LazyBuddy has pointed out, players' mentality when playing in a team event is rather different from individual tournaments. There were often surprises where a team who was supposed to be better in MS lost one or two matches, and instead won in MD matches, or vice versa. Remember DEN vs. MAS in 2005 sf? Judging from the form of both teams' players then, we all thought DEN had upper hand in MD but MAS was stronger in MS. Instead, DEN won 1st & 2nd singles while MAS took both MDs, leaving the 3rd single to seal the face-off.

Aren't you guys too early to make predictions abt Thomas Cup?
Who knows...some of the players mentioned may not even be there in the national team anymore come next year.

(5) China lost to Malaysia 1-3

LinD beat LeeCW
CaiY/FuHF lost to KooKK/TanBH
BaoCL lost to Hafiz
XieZB/ZhengB lost to LeeWW/ChoongTF



LinD lost to LeeCW
CaiY/FuHF lost to KooKK/TanBH
BaoCL beat Hafiz
XieZB/ZhengB lost to LeeWW/ChoongTF

Wouldnt this be more likely?

LinD lost to LeeCW
CaiY/FuHF lost to KooKK/TanBH
BaoCL beat Hafiz
XieZB/ZhengB lost to LeeWW/ChoongTF

Wouldnt this be more likely?

In terms of likelihood, u r right.
If Malaysia can steal 2 points out of first 3 ties, it has a better chance of winning. :)

Hi.

- Impossible China lost to Malaysia. Possible China win to Malaysia (3-0 or 3-1).
- not sure Malaysia can go to final. SemiFinal yes, I am Sure.


:eek: How come u r so sure? :rolleyes:
Nothing is absolute! ;) Nothing is impossible! :D

Aren't you guys too early to make predictions abt Thomas Cup?
Who knows...some of the players mentioned may not even be there in the national team anymore come next year.

Please read the first message again. We are NOT predicting next year's TC. Instead, we are having fun in analyzing the top-5 TC teams' current overall strength in this what-if scenario: What if TC is to be held this week.

Even though China are huge favourites against Malaysia, it is also possible for Malaysia to win 5-0. In doubles, a 2-0 whitewash is a possibility. LCW can possibly upset LD. Hafiz can yo-yo his way to a win. WCH is also hard to beat on his day. So, 5-0 is possible. Probable? No, probably China will win, maybe even 5-0.

That's true...haha.But i thnk Malaysia had a fairly good chance..

Even though China are huge favourites against Malaysia, it is also possible for Malaysia to win 5-0. In doubles, a 2-0 whitewash is a possibility. LCW can possibly upset LD. Hafiz can yo-yo his way to a win. WCH is also hard to beat on his day. So, 5-0 is possible. Probable? No, probably China will win, maybe even 5-0.

The competition will end when the score is 3-0 unless they change the rules. Otherwise 4-0, 4-1 and 5-0 are not possible.

is it broadcasted on TV?

is it broadcasted on TV?

Of course, thru RTM, TV3 or Astro Supersports channels.

Lee CW vs Lin D (50-50)
KKK/TBH vs CY/FHF (70-30)
Muhd. Hafiz vs Bao CL (10-90)
CTF/LWW vs XZB/GZD (80-20)
Lee TS vs Chen J (40-60)

not sure about 3rd singles.... might be new player... maybe roslin, wch, ykb, tcs, etc... but according to ranking now, LTS is the 3rd singles... :D

TV3 most probably wont show it!!! :D

Please read the first message again. We are NOT predicting next year's TC. Instead, we are having fun in analyzing the top-5 TC teams' current overall strength in this what-if scenario: What if TC is to be held this week.
excuse me, the thread's title is Prediction for 2008's TC... :confused::confused::confused:

excuse me, the thread's title is Prediction for 2008's TC... :confused::confused::confused:

I posted the original message under a different thread as a reply but the moderator decided to create a new thread and move the message here. The title came from the moderator ("Thomas Cup Predictions" - never mentioned "2008"). It wasn't my original intention to predict TC'08's realistic results.

TV3 most probably wont show it!!! :Dbut tv2 will.. :)

haha.. this thread is full of fantasize and early prediction.. thomas cup 06 jux over n thomas cup 08 is comin ya.. haha.. :D :D.. 2008 new year hasn't come yet u all ady make those predicitons.. more eager n anxious than those players n coaches.. wakak.. however.. glad to c dis thread.. palapapapa.. i'm lovin it.. muahaha.. :D:D:D:):);):cool::D:D:D

Not if we change the topic to "if Thomas Cup is played today"

Aren't you guys too early to make predictions abt Thomas Cup?
Who knows...some of the players mentioned may not even be there in the national team anymore come next year.

China lost to Malaysia 0-3

China lost to Malaysia 0-3haha.. although i'm a die-hard fans for MAS but i think it is impossible:)

:eek: How come u r so sure? :rolleyes:
Nothing is absolute! ;) Nothing is impossible! :D
He's not malaysian.Its up to him .he can say what he want to say.Its malaysian responsibilities to believe in our players.Just believe in them.Dont bother 4 what he say.

haha.. although i'm a die-hard fans for MAS but i think it is impossible:)

Yeah, unthinkable that.

They'll lose 1 - 3.

Yeah, unthinkable that.

They'll lose 1 - 3.Yeap.. might MAS team might lost both singles.. n may win in men doubles..

Mas will win 3-1 or lost 2-3 to China.
juz keep our finger crossed n c how LCW play in the up coming tournament.
he holds the key to Thomas Cup.
anyway, i have faith v MAS team, i believe they will beat the great wall n bring d Cup back!!

Is it too early to predict the winners for Thomas Cup? The World Championships are on the way this year... And don't always say that Malaysia cannot win the Thomas Cup if you're not a keen supporter for MAS... Everything is possible...

Yeap.. might MAS team might lost both singles.. n may win in men doubles..
Agreed!!Mas's MS still weak!!:o

Mas will win 3-1 or lost 2-3 to China.
juz keep our finger crossed n c how LCW play in the up coming tournament.
he holds the key to Thomas Cup.
anyway, i have faith v MAS team, i believe they will beat the great wall n bring d Cup back!!


Yeah... Thomas Cup will come bek to malaysia:D:D
basically, IF LCW can perform and win the 1st MS, MAS will win....:)
......:cool::):o

Is it too early to predict the winners for Thomas Cup? The World Championships are on the way this year... And don't always say that Malaysia cannot win the Thomas Cup if you're not a keen supporter for MAS... Everything is possible...
Well that's what you get from bored fans in between tourneys.

Yeah... Thomas Cup will come bek to malaysia:D:D
basically, IF LCW can perform and win the 1st MS, MAS will win....:)
......:cool::):o
That's malaysian honey.Keep showing ur believes to our players.

Hi.

- Impossible China lost to Malaysia. Possible China win to Malaysia (3-0 or 3-1).
- not sure Malaysia can go to final. SemiFinal yes, I am Sure.
One of these days it may be good for you to review your prediction record so far. It's pretty bad. Results have turned out the opposite esp. with LCW.

too early to make prediction....INA may change all MD pairs.......remember that Thomas Cup will be played in Indonesia...tough for MAS to be RU....still China is favorite to win....

No way no way and i mean no way for malaysia to win the Thomas cup....
Just see what the malaysian player are playing???
Like a pice of ****!!!
So just see china win it and that's a fact

Hi. Don't say like this..
Please thinking realistic OK. and base on facts and not base on nationalisme OK...

I am very agree with blessing. He is thingking base on facts.

I know that Malaysia peoples here very nationalisme and don't care to another countries. OK.. So I don't like that..OK...

YOu said like this not good for this forum. OK.. It is warning for u...

He's not malaysian.Its up to him .he can say what he want to say.Its malaysian responsibilities to believe in our players.Just believe in them.Dont bother 4 what he say.

Yes agree. No way Malaysia to win (not strong for all level and bad mentall)China 80% can win.. But Ina got 50%-60% to win.

China favorite to win Thomas Cup 2008.

No way no way and i mean no way for malaysia to win the Thomas cup....
Just see what the malaysian player are playing???
Like a pice of ****!!!
So just see china win it and that's a fact

Tell me, Can LCW beat LD... I think not anymore...

and Malaysia second single and third single not strong. China very strong for all single players.. Man Double: First: The last two tournament malaysia MD Players lost to China MD best players... But the 2nd China MD not strong....but to late... China already win 3:0...hhhaaaa..

I think if the all malaysian Fan here playing for Malaysia, so malaysia can beat china 5:0....HHAAA...

That's malaysian honey.Keep showing ur believes to our players.

Hi. Don't say like this..
Please thinking realistic OK. and base on facts and not base on nationalisme OK...

I am very agree with blessing. He is thingking base on facts.

I know that Malaysia peoples here very nationalisme and don't care to another countries. OK.. So I don't like that..OK...

YOu said like this not good for this forum. OK.. It is warning for u...
Hey Come on.Im just showing my patriotism.Thats the problems with Singaporean.Now i can see why u keep importing athletes from china.And im saying this based on FACTS.Malaysian belive in their players.So,let it be.O.k.By the way,im hoping 4the best for ur country in the next tournament(using ur OWN athletes)

Really sick of the childish and senseless comments in this forum.

Guys, stop making all those pointless statements or predictions without supporting facts and analyses.

Administrator, please do something on this.

Hi. Don't say like this..
Please thinking realistic OK. and base on facts and not base on nationalisme OK...

I am very agree with blessing. He is thingking base on facts.

I know that Malaysia peoples here very nationalisme and don't care to another countries. OK.. So I don't like that..OK...

YOu said like this not good for this forum. OK.. It is warning for u...saugusli ar saugusli.. i'm a gal okie... hehe..

Really sick of the childish and senseless comments in this forum.

Guys, stop making all those pointless statements or predictions without supporting facts and analyses.

Administrator, please do something on this.
It's a common occurrence in this part of the forum : get used to it.

All

Dont u fink it was too soon to make such predictions?

some of the players might get injured and force them to retired from TC competitions? Would it happened? Yes..

Chinese might looks strong.. but in team events anything might be possible..
They may fully concentrate and reserve their team energies all ALL Swiip in next year Olympics at their Home Ground.

Indo got the home ground advantages.. who dare to said Chinese is a " Sure Win"?

KBH may retired from international badminton carrers due to poor results by far.. KKK/TBH may be dropped from TC Squad for them to concentrated on pushing for Goal Medals in Beijing Olympics.

who can write Korea Team off? They may just produce another world beaters for MS in one year times.. Who Knows.. PSH can be unpredictable too..

Denmark have an excellent academy Programs to stun the world by producing some top talents in MS..


There is always a possible...

All

Dont u fink it was too soon to make such predictions?

some of the players might get injured and force them to retired from TC competitions? Would it happened? Yes..

Chinese might looks strong.. but in team events anything might be possible..
They may fully concentrate and reserve their team energies all ALL Swiip in next year Olympics at their Home Ground.

Indo got the home ground advantages.. who dare to said Chinese is a " Sure Win"?

KBH may retired from international badminton carrers due to poor results by far.. KKK/TBH may be dropped from TC Squad for them to concentrated on pushing for Goal Medals in Beijing Olympics.

who can write Korea Team off? They may just produce another world beaters for MS in one year times.. Who Knows.. PSH can be unpredictable too..

Denmark have an excellent academy Programs to stun the world by producing some top talents in MS..


There is always a possible...
if only u can read #1 post on this topic(the starter).He said "If thomas cup will be held NEXT WEEK".and based on current players.Thank u

Yeah... Thomas Cup will come bek to malaysia:D:D
basically, IF LCW can perform and win the 1st MS, MAS will win....:)
......:cool::):o
Erm..I don think so..Mas MD performance is going downhill especially KKK/TBH..they should find out wat is the things tat bother them!!!they are still young..I have faith on them..;)
Now,LCW had bounced back:D:D..Mas has hope to win the 1st MS but it doesn't mean Mas will win the Thomas Cup!!:o

yeah.. I agreed. MAS wont have the ability yet to lift TC with the current bunch of Players..
MS only hopes is on LCW. Wat IF he failed to deliver a point..?? then MAS team will sure lose ! Coz they dont any any outstanding MS players beside LCW. MD teams have 2 issues :
Veterans like CTF/LWW was too old and not fast enough..
Young pair likes KKK/TBH always not consistent with their "yo-yo" perfomance..

As i know, Malaysia will be bid for 2010 Thomas Cup Finals to be held in Malaysia but not the Uber Cup Finals. Japan would be likely to bid for the 2010 Uber Cup Finals. China and Indonesia would take part to bid for the 2010 Thomas Cup. Indonesia holds the records for hosting the Thomas Cup for so many times...

yeah.. I agreed. MAS wont have the ability yet to lift TC with the current bunch of Players..
MS only hopes is on LCW. Wat IF he failed to deliver a point..?? then MAS team will sure lose ! Coz they dont any any outstanding MS players beside LCW. MD teams have 2 issues :
Veterans like CTF/LWW was too old and not fast enough..
Young pair likes KKK/TBH always not consistent with their "yo-yo" perfomance..

Back in 1980s and early 1990s, MAS players always played exceptionally well at team events as compared to individual championships. I hope the current batch of players can learn from their predecessors in this aspect when it comes to TC.

I still have faith in KKK/TBH as well as other young pairs like MT/MF, and even CTF/LWW has the potential to spring a surprise. As the 2nd MD is CHN's weakest link, what MAS needs to do is to win both 1st MS and 1st MD, which is tough but ****realistic****. On a good day for MAS, such a thing could happen.

and Malaysia second single and third single not strong.

Looks like things are different. Wong Choong Han just beat Chen Hong in the China Master. If he hangs around for another year and play for Malaysia in the Thomas Cup, Malaysia has a very good chance of dethroning China - espeically from the Sudirman Cup, LCW proved that he can beat LD in team events.

Hi Edwin,

saugusli comment was long time ago, so ou reply saugusli comment after Wong Choong Han beat Chen Hong. Why not early? So funny of you.

Yes.. LCW beat LD at Sudirman Cup but he lost at China master man... he lost alot to LD. LCW also just beat Taufik (3 sets) but again he lost alot to Taufik (lost alot 2 games).

LCW Performaces still below to LD and Taufik.

No lah..Malaysia impossible to win for Thomas Cup this time.

Looks like things are different. Wong Choong Han just beat Chen Hong in the China Master. If he hangs around for another year and play for Malaysia in the Thomas Cup, Malaysia has a very good chance of dethroning China - espeically from the Sudirman Cup, LCW proved that he can beat LD in team events.

Hi Edwin,

saugusli comment was long time ago, so ou reply saugusli comment after Wong Choong Han beat Chen Hong. Why not early? So funny of you.

Yes.. LCW beat LD at Sudirman Cup but he lost at China master man... he lost alot to LD. LCW also just beat Taufik (3 sets) but again he lost alot to Taufik (lost alot 2 games).

LCW Performaces still below to LD and Taufik.

No lah..Malaysia impossible to win for Thomas Cup this time.
When saugusli wrote that comment, it was when Wong Choong Han is still resting/recovering from his Achilles. Now that he's back and in good form, Team Malaysia's Thomas Cup singles lineup is completely different from back then. I was replying to his post to show this point.

Yes. LD beat LCW in many ocassions, but there is no gurantee that LD will beat him once again in Thomas Cup - eventhough LD and Taufik are both a class above LCW. If LCW can steal a match against LD (I agree with you that this is not likely, but still possible), Malaysia will have a good chance of dethroning China.

Wow.. it's has been long that I never visit this forum.
Some discussion going on here.

I personally think, only China and Malaysia stands a high chance of winning the coming Thomas Cup.

But the Malaysians really have to rise up to the occasion, especially Lee Chong Wei, and Hafiz Hashim. And since Wong CHoong Hann is slowly back in form after injury. They would soon have a stronger 2nd MS. 3rd MS would be either Hafiz, Kuan Beng Hong or Lee Tsuen Seng.

MD, Malaysia definitely has a lot options to pick from, 1st MD definitely will be KKK/TBH, they are 1 strong pair I have seen after the strong Danish pair, forgot their names though.

S.Korea, Indonesia, Denmark, got to work harder then.

Wow.. it's has been long that I never visit this forum.
Some discussion going on here.

I personally think, only China and Malaysia stands a high chance of winning the coming Thomas Cup.

But the Malaysians really have to rise up to the occasion, especially Lee Chong Wei, and Hafiz Hashim. And since Wong CHoong Hann is slowly back in form after injury. They would soon have a stronger 2nd MS. 3rd MS would be either Hafiz, Kuan Beng Hong or Lee Tsuen Seng.

MD, Malaysia definitely has a lot options to pick from, 1st MD definitely will be KKK/TBH, they are 1 strong pair I have seen after the strong Danish pair, forgot their names though.


S.Korea, Indonesia, Denmark, got to work harder then.

Got to agree with you that only China and malaysia has a high chance of winning..The rest are all underdogs..gotta work harder if they wanna win..=)

Got to agree with you that only China and malaysia has a high chance of winning..The rest are all underdogs..gotta work harder if they wanna win..=)
With 3 strong MS, esp at 2nd and 3rd MS, and strong 1st MD, CHN is the favorite. I opine CHN has slight edge over INA and MAS in 1st MS (LD) and 1st MD (Fu/Cai), but if CHN lose both 1st MS (assume TH plays) and 1st MD, then MAS and INA could win TC by winning 2nd MD. Also, if WCH returned to form as he showed in CO07, then WCH can give CJ a run at either 2nd MS or BCL at 3rd MS. I would then say CHN is favorite, both MAS at strong 2nd choice and INA possibly 3rd choice.

INA should be the hot favourites behind CHN. They are the host... Which they usually do well in their homeground for TC...
They already have 3 MS which are able to win points : TH; Sony & Simon.. Hopes Tommy sugiarto, Tedjono would be selected as well to spring some surpises .

While in MD.. Its all depends on the coach panel's selection. But I hopes Tony/Candra/Flandy can be selected coz experince does matter in TC...

INA should be the hot favourites behind CHN. They are the host... Which they usually do well in their homeground for TC...
They already have 3 MS which are able to win points : TH; Sony & Simon.. Hopes Tommy sugiarto, Tedjono would be selected as well to spring some surpises .

While in MD.. Its all depends on the coach panel's selection. But I hopes Tony/Candra/Flandy can be selected coz experince does matter in TC...
..looking at all of the arsenals at their disposal, REALISTICALLY, the only one which PBSI can count the most is Taufik...Especially looking at their recent tourney's results..:p..And until another single player steps up, the burden will be on Taufik; and personally, i don't think he will be the same esp. when his new baby arrives, which should be anytime soon..:p;)
And personally, i would forget abt getting the ex-players back, esp. the MD players..As tough as it is and as limited a time they have to groom their younger singles & doubles players, the coaching staff and PBSI have to, or MUST move forward..;)

INA should be the hot favourites behind CHN. They are the host... Which they usually do well in their homeground for TC...
They already have 3 MS which are able to win points : TH; Sony & Simon.. Hopes Tommy sugiarto, Tedjono would be selected as well to spring some surpises .

While in MD.. Its all depends on the coach panel's selection. But I hopes Tony/Candra/Flandy can be selected coz experince does matter in TC...

Tony won't be selected because he'll be representing USA

INA should be the hot favourites behind CHN. They are the host... Which they usually do well in their homeground for TC...
They already have 3 MS which are able to win points : TH; Sony & Simon.. Hopes Tommy sugiarto, Tedjono would be selected as well to spring some surpises .

While in MD.. Its all depends on the coach panel's selection. But I hopes Tony/Candra/Flandy can be selected coz experince does matter in TC...
indo will all out in their beloved motherland.AGREED! unfortunayely,we cant say they are the hot favourite coz they are not.high spirit wil not confirm their glory winning.Be realistic.

indo will all out in their beloved motherland.AGREED! unfortunayely,we cant say they are the hot favourite coz they are not.high spirit wil not confirm their glory winning.Be realistic.

don't you remember the last sudirman cup

from underdog became a finalist.. :D

ina sporters will 'burn' their spirit. :D

don't you remember the last sudirman cup

from underdog became a finalist.. :D

ina sporters will 'burn' their spirit. :D
Ina supporters will 'burn' their spirits.Aggreed!!

from underdog became a finalist.Agreed!!!

but u cant win the championship and thats the issue.

taufik-ist ... Sudirman cup is diffrent story lah ... TC no mix-d and WS and WD hahahahaha

in istora senayan anything can happen...

at least we will be a finalist in TC 2008 :)

ina thomas cup 2008 team (my prediction) :
1. TH
2. Sony
3. Simon
4. markis/hendra
5. alvent/luluk
6. Chandra Wijaya

in istora senayan anything can happen...

at least we will be a finalist in TC 2008 :)

ina thomas cup 2008 team (my prediction) :
1. TH
2. Sony
3. Simon
4. markis/hendra
5. alvent/luluk
6. Chandra Wijaya
U know what,dismisss Simon and get Andre.he's the new star for indo.Simon???i doubt if he can do something in the Thomas cup or the WC

hmm... have visited this forum many times but never commented here...

Based on current condition:
Team China will be:
Lin Dan (1)
Cai/Fu (1)
Chen Jin (4)
Xie/Guo (36)
Bao (5)

Team Malaysia will be:
LCW (3)
KKK/TBH (2)
WCH (15)
CTF/LWW (6)
HH (16)

Team Indonesia will be:
Taufik (10)
MK/HS (3)
Sony (11)
Luluk/Alvent(7)
Simon (19)

Team Denmark:
Gade(6)
Eriksen/Lundgaard (4)
Jonassen(8)
Rasmussen/Paaske (10)
Joachim(25)

I predict semifinals to be (Based on my seeding):
China vs Indonesia
Malaysia vs Denmark

Playing out semifinals:
China vs Indonesia
Lin Dan vs Taufik 50:50 depending on Taufik
Cai/Fu vs MK/HS 70:30 - Cai/Fu should win
Chen Jin vs Sony 60:40 - Chen Jin should win, unless Sony on fire
Xie/Guo vs Luluk/Alvent 45/55 - Shaky, but i'll say Indo pair
Bao vs Simon 49/51 - Bao is prone to collapsing, and if for some reason, it reaches the 5th game, i would give it to indo...
It pretty much depends on the first MS. China is known to collapse if one of their reliable singles player fall, but if Taufik fails, I see no chance of Indo suceeding. But i would still give it to China, unless crazy passionate Indo fans manage to affect the chinese...
therefore, china 3:0 or 3:2

Malaysia vs Denmark
LCW vs Gade 60:40 - Gade is old and slow already :P... i think based on current form, LCW should win
KKK/TBH vs MLH/JE 60:40 - Danish pair also old but not so slow :P...
WCH vs Kenneth 51:49 - This time, WCH is slow, but based on recent results, I'll say the advantage lays with WCH
CTF/LWW vs Paaske/Rasmussen 55:45 - Malaysian veteren should prevail... HH yoyoking vs Joachim - 50:50 unless HH decide to yoyo more...
Therefore, i would say Malaysia 3:0

FINALS
CHINA vs MALAYSIA
LD vs LCW 50:50 - Crucial match, if LCW pulls it off, I will be dancing around. However, LCW is known to fail when too much pressure is on him, although he has shown improvement...
CY/FHF vs KKK/TBH 50:50 - Another crucial match that will keep me on the edge of my seat villifying my fingernails.
NB: If malaysia manages to win MS1, KKK/TBH should win, and I'll be dancing away, and if malaysia claims first 2 games, the stage is still set for the CHINA comeback... however, this wont be the first time if China MS collapse
Chen Jin vs WCH - 60:40 - A crucial match if the MD and MS points go to different teams
Xie/Guo vs CTF/LWW 30:70 - Veterens should win. Possibly the winning point for Malaysia...
Bao vs HH 50:50 - Again, if it comes down to this, Bao might fail... I'm giving yoyoking a 50:50 because he is known to rise to the occasion like AE2003...
All things depend on the first 2 games. Many different scenarios possible:
China to win 3:0, 3:1, 3:2 or Malaysia to win 3:1 or 3:2

I'll keep my eyes open for the WC...

From the current seeding at WC07 for MS & MD category.. It Looks like a mostly likely to be CHN vs MAS in the TC finals next year..
CHN have 4 MS + 1 MD was seeded in the top 16, while MS side eligible for 2 MS + 4 MD being seeded.
It will be hard to predict whose gonna win between this 2 nations.. a 50-50 for each side depends on the forms of the player on that match day & also some "luck" factors etc...
However, DEN who did creditably well in reaching 2 recent TC finals in a row & they will be a tough nuts to crack together with the host INA.. Which Crowds supports may favor them..

and the end of the WC puts something new into the equation - Indonesia??

and the end of the WC puts something new into the equation - Indonesia??

Hard to say. MAS players could perform better in team events than individual events.

Hi. Don't say like this..
Please thinking realistic OK. and base on facts and not base on nationalisme OK...

I am very agree with blessing. He is thingking base on facts.

I know that Malaysia peoples here very nationalisme and don't care to another countries. OK.. So I don't like that..OK...

YOu said like this not good for this forum. OK.. It is warning for u...

we dont really care if YOU DONT LIKE IT...:D:D:D
because we will forever support our teams...

real talk>>>>if thomas cup will be held NEXT week

My prediction(after WC)

SF-CHINA/INA/MAS/--
F-CHINA VS INA

MAS only makin thru to SF if they continue playing like the way they playing in WC....

Tony won't be selected because he'll be representing USA
Tony is not US citizen yet so he can still represent INA but with current INA MD..I do not think INA needs Tony....if they need him or Candra..it is just to motivate their younger compatriots in the team...

Tony is not US citizen yet so he can still represent INA but with current INA MD..I do not think INA needs Tony....if they need him or Candra..it is just to motivate their younger compatriots in the team...

But from the influences of Chandra in SC07. It shows that experience does matter in Team events.. :cool:

But from the influences of Chandra in SC07. It shows that experience does matter in Team events.. :cool:
Thats true..what I am saying that INA may choose Candra instead of Tony ....I do not think INA will pair Tony/Candra for thomas cup...unless they play well in next tournaments.....

MAS can be in the final as long as they do not play CHN or INA in semifinal..provided that CHN vs INA, MAS vs others...if MAS meets CHN or INA in semifinal...MAS has slimmer chances to advance to final...

MAS can be in the final as long as they do not play CHN or INA in semifinal..provided that CHN vs INA, MAS vs others...if MAS meets CHN or INA in semifinal...MAS has slimmer chances to advance to final...
MAS have lost to Denmark in the last Thomas cup.What do u want to say about that?.Every opponents are the same.All of them.We shouldn't differentiate.it is not necccesary.
If MAS do the best,there's no team can beat them.thats the only thing that we have to consider.

4 me i think dat china n malaysia have 50:50 chance to win in thomas cup la..but the best is kkk n tbh can win over cai yun n fu hai feng anyway just a prediction right

MAS have lost to Denmark in the last Thomas cup.What do u want to say about that?.Every opponents are the same.All of them.We shouldn't differentiate.it is not necccesary.
If MAS do the best,there's no team can beat them.thats the only thing that we have to consider.
Thats true but since then MAS has a better MS and MD now and most of DEN MS are aging....of course all team have a chance..but when MAS vs DEN, I think MAS has a slightly edge over DEN...

If all opponents are the same...why we should predict the winner here in this thread, right??

Thats true but since then MAS has a better MS and MD now and most of DEN MS are aging....of course all team have a chance..but when MAS vs DEN, I think MAS has a slightly edge over DEN...

If all opponents are the same...why we should predict the winner here in this thread, right??
as simple as this.
To show our support to our favourites.

I am sure that I will be in Jakarta for Thomas Cup/Uber Cup

..to predict much of anything, as anything can happen between now and the TC & UC..Let alone for the INA squad, eventhough they'll be playing in front of their homecrowd..:rolleyes::p
But from the influences of Chandra in SC07. It shows that experience does matter in Team events.. :cool:
Thats true..what I am saying that INA may choose Candra instead of Tony ....I do not think INA will pair Tony/Candra for thomas cup...unless they play well in next tournaments.....
..re the presence of Candra in the team, I believe he only played twice during the SC. In the Semis with Markis against the Brits, which they won...And in the Final, where he and Markis got steamrolled by Cai & Fu...:p
Personally though, it will come down to the Singles players to decide the outcome...If Sony can repeat his recent WC performance & support Taufik (granted Taufik is ready and prepared), then the INA squad will have less pressure on their MDs and not have to rely on the veteran Candra to help them out (Tony is out of the question in most likelihood)...:p;)

In my prediction,
the chance for winning the TC should be like this:

1) China : 40%
2) Indo : 30%
3) Mas : 20&
4) Den : 5%
5) Kor : 5%

Since the tournament will be held in Jakarta, the INA team has advantage from their "the most fanatic badminton supporters for their national team", the chance will be like this:

1) China : 35%
2) Indo : 35%
3) Mas : 20&
4) Den : 5%
5) Kor : 5%

As I know, INA's player usually play good at their homeground, and other countries' players will be "bothered" from INA's supporters, that's a fact.

So I give CHN:INA = 50:50

Since the tournament will be held in Jakarta, the INA team has advantage from their "the most fanatic badminton supporters for their national team", the chance will be like this:
:p..a few of our BC members??..namely bro Hau-ge(huangkwokhau), indra, taufik-ist and Krisna??..:confused::rolleyes:;):cool:

:p..a few of our BC members??..namely bro Hau-ge(huangkwokhau), indra, taufik-ist and Krisna??..:confused::rolleyes:;):cool:

I will try to be present in Jakarta.......;);)

INA Coach to LYB : We will win TC in Jakarta.. No doubt about that :eek:
LYB : Nevermind.. We will be sweeping all the 5 Golds in Beijing Olympics without doubt either:mad:
YKH : What about us ??:crying:

INA Coach to LYB : We will win TC in Jakarta.. No doubt about that :eek:
LYB : Nevermind.. We will be sweeping all the 5 Golds in Beijing Olympics without doubt either:mad:
YKH : What about us ??:crying:

Oh dear...then who will foot the bill to renew our Samuel's contract with BAM then :p

KOREAN Coaches : Don't count us as chicken. We may surprised many by naming a strange line ups ;)
Japan Coaches : With a pair of cuties, our men's team will have a big morale booster ! :p
Thailand Coaches : Thai Tomyam is the best food in the world!:D
Denmark Coaches : Experience does matter :mad:
England Coaches : See Ya in London 2012 ;)

Just for fun :D

Hi guys, I just joined BC forum yesterday. Nice to meet u all, I would say Indonesia has the big spots of opportunity in next TC, based on recent performance of Indos squad superp improvement in MS, MD, and XD. not to forget sum shocking surprise may be made too by the tomboys Vita/Lilyana in WD..

Welcome to BCBF.. You gota great great nick name for your favorite players :p

Are u doing a script for a drama my samuel brother?
quiet interesting.I would like to see more.

China currently has a star studded team:

Lin Dan (best player, can only be upstaged by TH or LCW on a good day)
Chen Jin (Best 2nd MS player maybe after TH or Sony)
Bao (Best 3rd MS player)

CY/FHF (on fire, but lack of victory in JO raises eyebrows)
XZB/GZD (an improvement for CHN 2nd MD, which is usually their weakness, they have managed an explosive pair that might be anyone)

INA on the other hand has:

Sony (Silver medalist, but I still think he has to prove himself further)
TH (stronger 2nd MS player)
Simon (Good player, but I also still think he has to prove himself)
MK/HS (Reigning WC, but yet to see how they perform against KKK/TBH or CY/FHF)
INA 2nd MD i dunno who will be it...

Malaysia, my *favourite* team :D
LCW (the currently strongest link in the team)
other MS positions are unstable...

KKK/TBH (hope they do well in Macao)
CTF LWW (old but sturdy pair... )

CHN will still dominate, but the time is still running until the last edge before Thomas Cup n I think compare w/ CHN, INA has more chance in MD since we have WC in MK/HS and JO finalist in LH/AY or CW as super sub, we have also young raising pair Hendra AG/Joko Riyadi..as the CHN has only G.Zhengdong n XIe Xongbo as their second pair.
-Chance for LD VS TH (my president :D) will be 50:50, if TH can get the 1st MS INA position from SDK, but if LD vs SDK then CHN will most likely take it 60:40 for LD
-CY/FHF VS MK/HS i would say 50:50, but if MK/HS in the top form like their performance in WC or Taipei OPen, I would say 55:45 for INA pair.
-BCL VS TH or SDK will be 50:50
-GZD/XXB vs LH/AY will 50:50 (since LH/AY is unstable pair), but the different story if GZD/XXB vs HAG/JR, the young INA has slight edge, OK 49:51, this new pair is still improving so well ;),
-CJ, CY or CH VS SS will be the key! as I would predict 50:50 if SS play hard n struggling as the last two tournaments, however if SS put too much pressure on himself, then the Chinese has the edge 60:40
So overall CHN will still dominate with possibilities of averagely 51:49.
BUT HEY, TC will be held in INA so, it would be 50:50 :p heheheh
*AS for MAS, they should have more MS players to play in 2nd, n 3rd MS matches, so their possibilities is 45% if they face INA and 35% if they face CHN, and 50% should they face DENS.
*DENS and KOREA would be serious threats for CHN,INA, n MAS too..but DENS can't always rely on their mature arsenals and KOREA need good MS players aside of LHI (and he's not good enough to compete LD,TH, LCW,and P.Gade..sorry to say) :D :D

What will happened if the president lost :eek: :D:D

What will happened if the president lost :eek: :D:D


if president lose then then the indo crowd will start rioting :D

if president lose then then the indo crowd will start rioting :D
...........:D:D INA still wins....:D:D as we wil get TC and UC for rioting...The winners are scare so they leave the CUPs behind...

well..seemingly, the president most likely win, becoz he will be motivated to get what CHN has taken away from INA, TC!, n he will put LD or whoever harsh ball to the net or corner, then he'll win the game as in the latest Olympic Game..God bless the President :D :D :D huehehehehhe...TH..TH..TH..yeaahhhhh!!!

well..seemingly, the president most likely win, becoz he will be motivated to get what CHN has taken away from INA, TC!, n he will put LD or whoever harsh ball to the net or corner, then he'll win the game as in the latest Olympic Game..God bless the President :D :D :D huehehehehhe...TH..TH..TH..yeaahhhhh!!!

aaameeeen !!!!!!
put me in your campaign team of TH 4 President :D :D

Seriously i do really think TH has a chance to compete in an election.I mean it.And im being very serious.So,TH 4 president,dont give up.U'll get TH as a president.

how nice?having a president and an olympic gold winner at the same time?
and 4 thomas cup too.how amazing !!!

In my prediction,
the chance for winning the TC should be like this:

1) China : 40%
2) Indo : 30%
3) Mas : 20&
4) Den : 5%
5) Kor : 5%

Since the tournament will be held in Jakarta, the INA team has advantage from their "the most fanatic badminton supporters for their national team", the chance will be like this:

1) China : 35%
2) Indo : 35%
3) Mas : 20&
4) Den : 5%
5) Kor : 5%

As I know, INA's player usually play good at their homeground, and other countries' players will be "bothered" from INA's supporters, that's a fact.

So I give CHN:INA = 50:50
The 'percentage' thing?
Where do u get the info to construct that 'beautiful' 'nice' probability?

If Tony decides to play for INA this Thomas Cup, then INA would mount a serious challenge to the title. Besides that, CHN would need to seriously falter for them not to win it

The 'percentage' thing?
Where do u get the info to construct that 'beautiful' 'nice' probability?
it is called" percentage probability...":D:D

If Tony decides to play for INA this Thomas Cup, then INA would mount a serious challenge to the title. Besides that, CHN would need to seriously falter for them not to win it
Tony wil not play for INA thomas cup...it is confirm!

Tony wil not play for INA thomas cup...it is confirm!
that will be a HUGE LOSS for INA

that will be a HUGE LOSS for INA
..will his absence be a "huge loss" for INA's Thomas Cup squad??...IMO, win or lose, they should showcase their younger players and get them acclimatized to the challenge and pressure of playing in the Thomas Cup..:cool:

that will be a HUGE LOSS for INA
It is not necessary a huge loss as we have 3 solid teams...;)
Candra will serve as motivator for INA team beside Sigit..

that will be a HUGE LOSS for INA

Nah....honestly, we don't really need Tony Gunawan.
MD1 WILL BE Markis Kido/Hendra Setiawan
as for MD2, it will be either Luluk Hadiyanto/Alvent Yulianto or Hendra A. Gunawan/Joko Riyadi or a scratch pairing of Candra Wijaya/Alvent Yulianto (if Candra decides to help as in the Sudirman Cup).

The chance of winning second doubles (esp against KOR, DEN, MAS or CHN) is undoubtedly very high if Candra does join the team.

In my prediction,
the chance for winning the TC should be like this:

1) China : 40%
2) Indo : 30%
3) Mas : 20&
4) Den : 5%
5) Kor : 5%

Since the tournament will be held in Jakarta, the INA team has advantage from their "the most fanatic badminton supporters for their national team", the chance will be like this:

1) China : 35%
2) Indo : 35%
3) Mas : 20&
4) Den : 5%
5) Kor : 5%

As I know, INA's player usually play good at their homeground, and other countries' players will be "bothered" from INA's supporters, that's a fact.

So I give CHN:INA = 50:50

The 'percentage' thing?
Where do u get the info to construct that 'beautiful' 'nice' probability?

I did not know, either. I just put my prediction as what I think should/will be. I don't have any idea why the construction become what you called 'beautiful' :)

I would say it was just... "an accident construction/order" but not an accident prediction :)

At this momment, I think INA:CHN = 51:49 :)
while the rests still no changes...

china beat ina in jkt 2004...why not now??...homeground advantage is not good for ina..
for next year it will be:

LIN DAN beat taufik...statistic prove it
BAO CHUNLAI beat sony...statistic prove it
FU HAIFENG / CAI YUN beat kido hendra...they'll show who's the best
XIE ZHONGBO / GUO ZHENDONG beat luluk and alven...statistic prove it
CHEN JIN beat simon...statistic prove it

china beat ina in jkt 2004...why not now??...homeground advantage is not good for ina..
for next year it will be:

LIN DAN beat taufik...statistic prove it
BAO CHUNLAI beat sony...statistic prove it
FU HAIFENG / CAI YUN beat kido hendra...they'll show who's the best
XIE ZHONGBO / GUO ZHENDONG beat luluk and alven...statistic prove it
CHEN JIN beat simon...statistic prove it

U sure are very confident of Team China, despite being in Indonesia :cool:

china beat ina in jkt 2004...why not now??...homeground advantage is not good for ina..
for next year it will be:

LIN DAN beat taufik...statistic prove it
BAO CHUNLAI beat sony...statistic prove it
FU HAIFENG / CAI YUN beat kido hendra...they'll show who's the best
XIE ZHONGBO / GUO ZHENDONG beat luluk and alven...statistic prove it
CHEN JIN beat simon...statistic prove it

areke 'mabuk' :D.... sometime statistic is a rubbish... :D

china beat ina in jkt 2004...why not now??...homeground advantage is not good for ina..
for next year it will be:

LIN DAN beat taufik...statistic prove it
BAO CHUNLAI beat sony...statistic prove it
FU HAIFENG / CAI YUN beat kido hendra...they'll show who's the best
XIE ZHONGBO / GUO ZHENDONG beat luluk and alven...statistic prove it
CHEN JIN beat simon...statistic prove it
As I noe,LD is scare to play in INA...:rolleyes:

As I noe,LD is scare to play in INA...:rolleyes:

hehehe i think it's not true..coz LIN DAN beat taufik twice in thomas cup 2004 in jakarta...:cool:

hehehe i think it's not true..coz LIN DAN beat taufik twice in thomas cup 2004 in jakarta...:cool:
Many china palyer don like to play in INA...can't handle the pressure fr INA supporters..maybe now is different..:rolleyes:
But base on the current form of TH,it's hard for him to defeat LD..:(

Many china palyer don like to play in INA...can't handle the pressure fr INA supporters..maybe now is different..:rolleyes:

I agree. Chinese players don't like to play in INA because of the great support from the home audience not because afraid of INA's players.
That means INA's supporters are the best supporters in the world :)


But base on the current form of TH,it's hard for him to defeat LD..:(I don't tihink so, LD current form is not so good, either. Actually, TH's current form is getting better and better. So they have the same chance to beat one another.

INA home ground advantage not liked by indonesian players? absolutely not true. Indonesian supporters are like (no offence) CRAZY FANATICS!!!

but anyway, my comments and analysis of next year's thomas cup predictions:

The Badminton Blog (http://thebadmintonblog.blogspot.com)

and besides, Indonesia has always been a blind spot for Chinese Badminton domination....

INA home ground advantage not liked by indonesian players? absolutely not true. Indonesian supporters are like (no offence) CRAZY FANATICS!!!

but anyway, my comments and analysis of next year's thomas cup predictions:

The Badminton Blog (http://thebadmintonblog.blogspot.com)
I think she said by China's players?
if indo players dont appreciated their fanatics fans,i dont know what else to say?

oops my bad... sorry for the misunderstanding!!!

MAS can be in the final as long as they do not play CHN or INA in semifinal..provided that CHN vs INA, MAS vs others...if MAS meets CHN or INA in semifinal...MAS has slimmer chances to advance to final...
MAS will beat ina..
LCW and 2 POINTS from doubles are guaranteed for MAS if they meet ina

areke 'mabuk' :D.... sometime statistic is a rubbish... :D
DON"T BE SO HARSH....you're the mabuk one's.......
if u said that sometimes statistic is a rubbish than when statistic prove that taufiki hidayati won olympic gold is rubbish???? I TOTALLY AGREE....

CHINA WILL BEAT INA iN JAKARTA LIKE THEY DID IN 2004TC...

come on lah jade,im a malaysian but i believe in indonesia's ability.do not be too prejudice.

MAS will beat ina..
LCW and 2 POINTS from doubles are guaranteed for MAS if they meet ina
yeah..yeah....we can always predict your prediction...;);) you will predict other nations win over INA....whats new??

DON"T BE SO HARSH....you're the mabuk one's.......
if u said that sometimes statistic is a rubbish than when statistic prove that taufiki hidayati won olympic gold is rubbish???? I TOTALLY AGREE....

CHINA WILL BEAT INA iN JAKARTA LIKE THEY DID IN 2004TC...

laah..******** u know..taufika hidayatika my president is simply the best MS player, even LD said so, :cool: I don't say straightly that INA will simply beat CHN even if they play as host, :cool: but said that Mr.President gold medal as rubbish is the mirror of immaturity of analyzing within professional badminton mania forum like this jade :mad:.
If you can't respect others in this forum, don't comment lah..you just burn out hatred and it's so unwise.:mad:

laah..******** u know..taufika hidayatika my president is simply the best MS player, even LD said so, :cool: I don't say straightly that INA will simply beat CHN even if they play as host, :cool: but said that Mr.President gold medal as rubbish is the mirror of immaturity of analyzing within professional badminton mania forum like this jade :mad:.
If you can't respect others in this forum, don't comment lah..you just burn out hatred and it's so unwise.:mad:
READ CAREFULLY:mad::mad:...
I JUST USE taufikist statement that statistic is a rubbish..ok?????
don,t blame me:D:D:D:D

come on lah jade,im a malaysian but i believe in indonesia's ability.do not be too prejudice.

i do believe in indonesia abilty,,,but if they play malaysia they will lost...thats in my opinion..
u can see that LCW beat taufik often now....
KKK TBH never been beaten by MK/ HS
and CTF/LWW will beat luluk alvent...
WCH is on fire now...

yeah..yeah....we can always predict your prediction...;);) you will predict other nations win over INA....whats new??
what???what happen to you???u're to sensitive:D:D:D:D....
with their performance now,i will NEVER predict that england or japan will beat ina...:D:D:D:D:p and
with their performance now,malaysia offcourse will beat ina....

honestly jade,who's in ur prediction?who's going to win thomas cup?
indo is not in ur list,right? i see.But do u support ur nation?

honestly jade,who's in ur prediction?who's going to win thomas cup?
indo is not in ur list,right? i see.But do u support ur nation?
only two countries are capable to win that cup next year...
CHINA and MALAYSIA......
it based on their form now....
if u ask me next few months...then the answer might be change

i want to know when will Malaysia be the Host for Thomas Cup since 2000......?

waiting...anyone want to answer?

waiting...anyone want to answer?


indonesia will be surely the finalist of thomas cup 2008..

i will be there to cheer for ina teams :D :D

indonesia will be surely the finalist of thomas cup 2008..

i will be there to cheer for ina teams :D :D
im being honest.i'll pray for that.
in finals,u'll meet malaysia.and malaysia will win.
hope my dream comes true.

im being honest.i'll pray for that.
in finals,u'll meet malaysia.and malaysia will win.
hope my dream comes true.
you wish..:cool::p Indonesia will win it..supported by magnicient crowd that couldn't be handled by Malaysian players :cool::D:D:D, when you come to Indonesia and see the crowd and the way we support our players..you'll know at once, the things are simply different..Malaysia never beat Indonesia in Jakarta (sorry) hehehehe :D:D:D:D..welcome to Indonesian marvelous atmosphere..:D

you wish..:cool::p Indonesia will win it..supported by magnicient crowd that couldn't be handled by Malaysian players :cool::D:D:D, when you come to Indonesia and see the crowd and the way we support our players..you'll know at once, the things are simply different..Malaysia never beat Indonesia in Jakarta (sorry) hehehehe :D:D:D:D..welcome to Indonesian marvelous atmosphere..:D
i have stated it before in another thread

in their very own hometown,indonesia will be in finals.sure.
but they cant win the tournament if they are not good enough for that moment.
even if indonesia did win,then they are in a really good form(if this happen,nobody can beat indo).having a superb lineup.great coach.

n last but not least,the fanatic fans...what else can i say?

tapi enggak perlu overconfident ya?anything can happen.

you wish..:cool::p Indonesia will win it..supported by magnicient crowd that couldn't be handled by Malaysian players :cool::D:D:D, when you come to Indonesia and see the crowd and the way we support our players..you'll know at once, the things are simply different..Malaysia never beat Indonesia in Jakarta (sorry) hehehehe :D:D:D:D..welcome to Indonesian marvelous atmosphere..:D

We beat you in the 1960s Thomas Cup in Indonesia... The crowd became so rowdy that they had to postpond the match and move it to NZ.

Hopefully that wouldn't happen again :D:D:eek::eek:

Since this event will be held in Jakarta, I am confident to say only INA and CHN make it to the finals.

Don't sweat it, SIN is going to be a TC and UC winners anchored by the hot and ever never rising lion, Kendrick Lee ( not related to pm Lee ) and Oh of course Xing Ai ying:):confused::eek::rolleyes::cool::D;):p

except when SIN lost to JPN in the SC division one playoffs:crying::crying::crying:It was Ronald Susilo, Not Kendrick Lee:rolleyes::(:confused::eek::cool::p;)Kendrick would have whipped Tago:crying::crying::crying:

Thomas cup?
i think will be CHN vs INA final
main challenger are DEN & MAS !
but mayb MAS will get to the final if their players live up expectation..
hope to see CHN facing both MAS & INA before clinching the title..
tat will make the cup mean more than ever..

SIN is going to be a TC and UC winners anchored by the hot and ever never rising lion, Kendrick Lee ( not related to pm Lee ) and Oh of course Xing Ai ying:):confused::eek::rolleyes::cool::D;):p

Never rising lion? :eek:
That's not very optimistic ;)

Never rising lion? :eek:
That's not very optimistic ;)he rose at Korat.. but he rose without top players..

finals i hope to watch chn vs ina, chn vs mas, or ina vs mas.. but i prefer ina vs mas... then, the whole stadium will ROBOH.. haha

Tony Gunawan will be joining the host team !

Tony Gunawan will be joining the host team !
a) sparring partner?
b) INA Thomas Cup squad's player?
c) supporter/spectator?
d) 2 of the above?
or
e) all of the above?

a) sparring partner?
b) INA Thomas Cup squad's player?
c) supporter/spectator?
d) 2 of the above?
or
e) all of the above?
f) all of the above AND BELOW
g) coach?

f) all of the above AND BELOW
g) coach?

(h) none of above

Maybe Tony just want to get a good seat at Thomas Cup... in the squad seat....:rolleyes::rolleyes:

i have stated it before in another thread

in their very own hometown,indonesia will be in finals.sure.
but they cant win the tournament if they are not good enough for that moment.

Unfortunately, even though Indonesia was the host in 2004, we lost to Denmark in the semifinals... :crying: And thus lost the Thomas Cup that we held for 10 whole years since 1994... :crying:

Since this event will be held in Jakarta, I am confident to say only INA and CHN make it to the finals.

I hope so... :D But, as a live-witness to the 2004 Thomas Cup semifinal loss in Jakarta, I can't say I'm very confident... :p

Krisna, last time INA lost, the MD squad was a disaster. Now the MD is already right at the top. The 2nd/3rd pairs are regaining form, the top pair is consistently winning tournaments.

What INA needs to work on is the MS. Last time, Sony started at No 1 and Taufik at no 2. From the strength of the opposition, it is best that Taufik is at No 1. But that depends on Taufik and his WR points. That way both have a chance to beat opponents no 1 and no 2 respectively.

Another option is to have Taufik at No 3, and Simon at no 2. Simon, I think provides quite stable challenge at No 2 or no 3, but not no 1. Not yet anyway. But this means Taufik will have to be on bad form initially and fail to go to Olympics.

How about having some non-PBSI potentials in the squad as well, Andre Tedjono would do nicely to keep the opponents guessing.

Krisna, last time INA lost, the MD squad was a disaster. Now the MD is already right at the top. The 2nd/3rd pairs are regaining form, the top pair is consistently winning tournaments.

What INA needs to work on is the MS. Last time, Sony started at No 1 and Taufik at no 2. From the strength of the opposition, it is best that Taufik is at No 1. But that depends on Taufik and his WR points. That way both have a chance to beat opponents no 1 and no 2 respectively.

Another option is to have Taufik at No 3, and Simon at no 2. Simon, I think provides quite stable challenge at No 2 or no 3, but not no 1. Not yet anyway. But this means Taufik will have to be on bad form initially and fail to go to Olympics.

How about having some non-PBSI potentials in the squad as well, Andre Tedjono would do nicely to keep the opponents guessing.

Good analysis as always. If Tony and Candra agree to join the squad, I think we can take 2 points off Team China in the MD (both are tough matches still). As for the Singles, its still a tricky situation really and depend on how Simon and Sony progress this year. If they can beat one of the Chinese player in this 4 mths, then, we have a chance, if not, very very slim chance.

Tony is allowed participation? I thought he represented USA?

since 1996, no one host country can win the title.

year host winner
96 HK INA
98 HK INA
00 MAS INA
02 CHN INA
04 INA CHN
06 JPN CHN

hope this is a good signal for CHN to defend Thomas Cup title

my updated detailed predictions:
Thomas Cup 2008 - Can China's Dominance be Broken? (http://thebadmintonblog.blogspot.com/2008/02/thomas-cup-2008-can-china-dominance-be.html)

my updated detailed predictions:
Thomas Cup 2008 - Can China's Dominance be Broken? (http://thebadmintonblog.blogspot.com/2008/02/thomas-cup-2008-can-china-dominance-be.html)

Nice synpsys of what if scenarios. On paper Malaysia has the possiblity of winning. You have made me doubt China's ability to win the Thomas Cup. WOw. Anything is possible, now time for what is probable :).

Let's start from the bottom up Hafiz vs. Bao. A win is highly improbable based on past and current performance. Hafiz is essentially a write off so let's remove him from the equation.

So that leaves 3 of 4 matches that Malaysia will have to contest in order to achieve victory. I will consider them in clusters. First, LCW vs LD and Koo/Tan vs. Cai/Fu.

For this pair of matches the most probable event is that China and Malaysia will split the tie. My reasoning:

LCW is a rhythm player. Everything has to be in the zone for him to play to his potential. He has improved but has shown that his concentration and focus can still be upset and he has yet to exhibit a reliable recovery mechanism. He's close but not quite there yet. Unfortuately, LD is the provocateur sans pareil who can change the flow of the match within and without the court at key times. If LCW can ignore the crowd, the calls, and Lin Dan the probablility of a win goes up drastically. Is this probable, Gods of the Odds say: fair to middling.

On the other side Koo/Tan are a jekyll & hyde team, their mental development hasn't matched their technical development. Mentally they haven't reached the level where they can bring their A game on command. There is no 2nd chance in the TC final as their opponents Cai/Fu have made a living of showing up mentally and physically motivated and defeating technically superior teams. Even if the A-team shows up Koo/Tan will have to contend w/ a Cai/Fu team that is technically stronger and better prepared tactically for them than in the past. Is this probable, Gods of the Odds say low and low.

All of this points me to believe that one of the two sets of Malaysian contestants will step up on the day while the other will flounder. Too many things have to go right in order to get two points for LCW and Koo/Tan. Or put another way one set will steal the other's mojo; there just isn't enough to go around.

Phew, next cluster Fook/Lee vs Guo Xie and Wong vs. CJ.

First I will admit ignorance on Fook/Lee and Guo/Xie. I don't know too much about these two teams except that Fook/Lee have beaten the best on occasion. Someone please fill in " " here.

More interesting is the clash between Wong and Chen Jin. This is either the set up or finishing tie. Both players have the distinct possiblity of being a "Hero" or a "Zero". I don't know Wong too well, but from what I can see he is a Morten Frost type of player using his height to shrink the court and all round skills play to create opportunities. Chen Jin's style shares this similarity in terms of efficient movement but is applied more to aggresively counter punch. This could be a titanic struggle where Wong will control play and expose Chen Jin's monotony of stroke or Chen Jin will take the net away and turn the contest into a running game. I'm really quite interested to see where this one goes.

Most probable outcome I think will be a split again. My reasoning: I believe Chen has a better chance of turning things into a running game versus Wong becoming a Taufik w/ stamina and a deadly attack. Anything in between will not be enough.

Unfortunately this leads more to China taking the cup as Hafiz's victory is the most improbable of all. It will take something magical for Malaysia to steal two points from one of the two clusters. The limited Mojo principle will end up determinig the outcomes of these 4 matches.

Tony is allowed participation? I thought he represented USA?

he still holds a ina passport :D..

he still holds a ina passport :D..
whenever he played with chandra,means they are USA/INA.

u can support them both??

I just cant wait for the Thomas cup to come.

let the thomas cup begins!!haha
the qualifying round not yet also been play yet..

if MAS play CHN, then the result will hinge on LCW beating LD. if he manages to do so, then i would say the odds are still only 50-50. if LCW loses, then it's bags packed, hotel checked out, flights rescheduled and essentially, game over.

if MAS play CHN, then the result will hinge on LCW beating LD. if he manages to do so, then i would say the odds are still only 50-50. if LCW loses, then it's bags packed, hotel checked out, flights rescheduled and essentially, game over.
i hope u can still remember how chong wei lost in the first game.then we got our doubles beaten.in previous thomas cup

but hafiz saved us from being eliminate.

but if u want to go on with this theory,i dont think malaysia can survive.

Malaysia's chances are always not so good in the team events. But with WCH playing well (and this year being his 'swan song' year) and Hafiz, the unpredictable, making claims that his woes are mainly financials caused (and with new support line thrown to him), one can expect a better chance at least.

My intuition tells me the Malaysian team has a whopping chance, and any team underestimating it will pay the price.

as a malaysian,i just hope MAs can perform.

waiting for the excitement of thomas cup,waiting to know the results,waiting to know how did kkk played.can he make another service while sitting again?
will him hug Tbh when they won a point??

thats all.expectation is a mess.

i hope u can still remember how chong wei lost in the first game.then we got our doubles beaten.in previous thomas cup

but hafiz saved us from being eliminate.




Yes, but he was not facing BCL or CJ, right? :rolleyes:;)

its danish.i know.
but he did saved us.

its danish.i know.
but he did saved us.

And who is to say he may not do it again. Hafiz Boleh !

Malaysia's chances are always not so good in the team events. But with WCH playing well (and this year being his 'swan song' year) and Hafiz, the unpredictable, making claims that his woes are mainly financials caused (and with new support line thrown to him), one can expect a better chance at least.

My intuition tells me the Malaysian team has a whopping chance, and any team underestimating it will pay the price.

No satay bets XBall? Yum, Yum. And dont say you dont bet with ladies, that's an excuse to get out of giving satay sticks.

its danish.i know.
but he did saved us.

I don't get it. At previous Thomas Cup vs Denmark, LCW lost to Gade, yes. Our MD won, both MDs, in fact.

But Hafiz lost to Jonassen, despite having the early initiative and 1st game, when he tried too many fancy shots. And we were eliminated when Persson took advantage of KBH's nerves.

So Hafiz didn't manage to save us. Though I suppose we could have beaten the Danes had WCH played, and his achilles injury not happen in the q-final against Korea.

No satay bets XBall? Yum, Yum. And dont say you dont bet with ladies, that's an excuse to get out of giving satay sticks.


:) Bet you I can eat more satays than you.

im sorry.actually its korean.hafiz beat korean in the last game and bring us to semis.

he conquered the court man..like watching '03 Hafiz again.the reason is he had the 'hunger' at that moment.n he did it.

X ball,yup.he may can do it again.n he got our support here.

im sorry.actually its korean.hafiz beat korean in the last game and bring us to semis.

he conquered the court man..like watching '03 Hafiz again.the reason is he had the 'hunger' at that moment.n he did it.

X ball,yup.he may can do it again.n he got our support here.

Absolutely, I am counting on him to buck up.

I dunno if anyone brought this up earlier, i'm too lazy to read the whole thread..

Interestingly, KJ is ranked higher than PG now. I think this is an evil ploy by DEN to win thomas cup.

PG as first single wouldn't probably be very threatening against likes of LD, LCW. But he will for sure pawn any 2nd singles from any other country (except LHI plays plays 2nd single too)

With resurgence of LP/JR , along with JE/MLH, MB/CM , they would be in a great position to win 2 MD.

This essentially means that DEN is a top favourite for the title now.

I dunno if anyone brought this up earlier, i'm too lazy to read the whole thread..

Interestingly, KJ is ranked higher than PG now. I think this is an evil ploy by DEN to win thomas cup.

PG as first single wouldn't probably be very threatening against likes of LD, LCW. But he will for sure pawn any 2nd singles from any other country (except LHI plays plays 2nd single too)

With resurgence of LP/JR , along with JE/MLH, MB/CM , they would be in a great position to win 2 MD.

This essentially means that DEN is a top favourite for the title now.

Yes, that is a good move. Their doubles are creating havoc. Definitely a threat !

The Danes did well in previuos TC, but often failed on final hurdle to the mighty CHN
Lets see what they can do in JKT

Nothing much to predict. It is again CHN.. Who else can fight them

Nothing much to predict. It is again CHN.. Who else can fight them

I think INA have a good chance beating CHN. They can take 2 pts from MD. Taufik/Sony/Simon may be underdogs against LD, BCL and CJ. But they are still very dangerous. I won't be surprised if they can get 1 MS pt from CHN.

basically the only way to beat CHN is to win both doubles, and hope to win one of the singles. this appears to be the same tactic for MAS, INA, DEN and KOR.

for MAS, LCW has to beat LD.
for DEN, if PG plays 2nd singles, he has to beat BCL/CJ.
for KOR, if LHI plays 2nd singles, he has to beat BCL/CJ.
for INA, i can see either TH or SDK winning, SS is unlikely.

so based on the above, i believe INA would fare best against CHN. KOR and DEN's MD1 will have a hard time against CY/FHF. so the best bet for beating CHN is INA, followed by MAS then followed by DEN/KOR.

though having said that, it's also likely that for KOR, PSH might beat LD and LHI might beat BCL/CJ, in which case the doubles will be very interesting indeed.

I dunno if anyone brought this up earlier, i'm too lazy to read the whole thread..

Interestingly, KJ is ranked higher than PG now. I think this is an evil ploy by DEN to win thomas cup.

PG as first single wouldn't probably be very threatening against likes of LD, LCW. But he will for sure pawn any 2nd singles from any other country (except LHI plays plays 2nd single too)

With resurgence of LP/JR , along with JE/MLH, MB/CM , they would be in a great position to win 2 MD.

This essentially means that DEN is a top favourite for the title now.


I agree.

I was a die hard Dane supporter when they lost to CHN in TC 2004. I felt so sad for PG and co. Seriously, I thought Dane's hope for TC was officially over. I am very amazed about how PG and co. can maintain such a high level of performance, even though they are "old" to many Asian national teams' standard.

My best luck goes for Dane. Of course, every single round for them going to be a tough fight, I expect most of 3:2 coming from Danes. :rolleyes:

I think INA have a good chance beating CHN. They can take 2 pts from MD. Taufik/Sony/Simon may be underdogs against LD, BCL and CJ. But they are still very dangerous. I won't be surprised if they can get 1 MS pt from CHN.
basically the only way to beat CHN is to win both doubles, and hope to win one of the singles. this appears to be the same tactic for MAS, INA, DEN and KOR.
...
..the 2 MD matches are important, but personally as i mentioned earlier in this thread, i think the deciding factor would still be the MS matches. It'll partially depend also on the order of their tie. Nerves will factor a little bit.:cool:
Even if the INA MDs win both of their matches, but if CHN's squad is able to win all 3 of their MS matches then it'll be useless. Even then, there's no guarantee INA and/or CHN could win all of their respected "favorable" ties; MS for CHN and MD for INA.;)
Btw, any chance for both INA and CHN ending up in the same group?:confused:

basically the only way to beat CHN is to win both doubles, and hope to win one of the singles. this appears to be the same tactic for MAS, INA, DEN and KOR.


KOR will have to use different tactics, they must take first two singles and 2nd doubles. Cai Yun/Fu Haifeng are unthreatened by KOR doubles.

Basically MAS and DEN must take 3 points from first 4 matches. Only INA and possibly KOR has a fighting chance at 2-2 coming to the 3rd singles against Chen Jin/Chen Yu.

Simon might have it against him, but Marleve did the improbable against KJ in Thomas Cup 2000, and what better way to prove Simon's worth since he is probably not going to Olympics. SSM showed great form against CY in Malaysian Open, only lost steam at the end of the 3rd game.

I dunno if anyone brought this up earlier, i'm too lazy to read the whole thread..

Interestingly, KJ is ranked higher than PG now. I think this is an evil ploy by DEN to win thomas cup.



Gade lost quite a bit of points when he didn't defend his MO title. Wouldn't call it an evil ploy though, dictated by circumstances, not team orders.

I agree.

I was a die hard Dane supporter when they lost to CHN in TC 2004. I felt so sad for PG and co. Seriously, I thought Dane's hope for TC was officially over. I am very amazed about how PG and co. can maintain such a high level of performance, even though they are "old" to many Asian national teams' standard.

My best luck goes for Dane. Of course, every single round for them going to be a tough fight, I expect most of 3:2 coming from Danes. :rolleyes:
Danes have proven experience still has the edge over youth provided the body is still in great shape(at least just for the one important tournament anyway) and the mind is sharp and able to adapt.
Their biggest weapon is their brain;when backed by decent skills ,will deactivate opponents' biggest badminton weapons, making them feel foolish and unable to up their game.
Their biggest weakness is their serve.This is so odd. I mean, beginners can serve better!Why give opponents cheap points?(ok, in this exception, their brain is not their weapon!)These guys, maybe should experiment to serve with their eyes closed, so the serve motion becomes a conditioned reflex, impervious to nerves.
Not only does one need to max the brain; this vital organ needs recharging and fleeting rests during serve may do the trick.

Absolutely, I am counting on him to buck up.
not so many of malaysians did this.
im happy u are in my side.really happy.

Nothing much to predict. It is again CHN.. Who else can fight them
In a way,ur statement can give pressure to China.which i think didnt give a huge impact to China at all.

but this can lowered our team's hope.lets not do this now.

not so many of malaysians did this.
im happy u are in my side.really happy.

Coz I see it without a 'chip on my shoulder'. Since Hafiz had said he will now work harder, I believe him. I am not ready to send him to the 'sin bin' yet, not until I can see another better player representing Malaysia.

I believe in him.

thats the word,x ball

My prediction:

Champions: China
Runners up: Indonesia (the indons are too pressured to win on home ground, even to lift the racket)

3rd place: Msia
4th place: Denmark

Actually,

I think PG would have to be the 3rd single to have a good chance of getting a point unless Bao is fielded as the 2nd single. Both LD and Chen Jin would be tough plays for Gade. His attack oriented game doesn't match up well w/ these two who have good defence and mentally ready to play to long rallies.

I guess the question is who will be playing 2nd singles for China. If it is Chen Jin then Denmark would have to take a bold decision and push PG into the 3rd singles spot. Is this even possible? Or does the line up have to reflect world rankings.

Hmm, ...



I dunno if anyone brought this up earlier, i'm too lazy to read the whole thread..

Interestingly, KJ is ranked higher than PG now. I think this is an evil ploy by DEN to win thomas cup.

PG as first single wouldn't probably be very threatening against likes of LD, LCW. But he will for sure pawn any 2nd singles from any other country (except LHI plays plays 2nd single too)

With resurgence of LP/JR , along with JE/MLH, MB/CM , they would be in a great position to win 2 MD.

This essentially means that DEN is a top favourite for the title now.

Actually,

I think PG would have to be the 3rd single to have a good chance of getting a point unless Bao is fielded as the 2nd single. Both LD and Chen Jin would be tough plays for Gade. His attack oriented game doesn't match up well w/ these two who have good defence and mentally ready to play to long rallies.

I guess the question is who will be playing 2nd singles for China. If it is Chen Jin then Denmark would have to take a bold decision and push PG into the 3rd singles spot. Is this even possible? Or does the line up have to reflect world rankings.

Hmm, ...
If Peter fielded 3rd, then most probably he wont get a chance to play at all. And this is not fun at all.

I would like to see every country with their strongest lineup according to the ranking especially Malaysia.

My prediction:

Champions: China
Runners up: Indonesia (the indons are too pressured to win on home ground, even to lift the racket)

3rd place: Msia
4th place: Denmark
I know u are being realistic.

But i still have faith we can do something better this year.
Without mistakes in that tournament,everyone did their job,continous support n pray by fans,...it is quite possible.

If Peter fielded 3rd, then most probably he wont get a chance to play at all. And this is not fun at all.

I would like to see every country with their strongest lineup according to the ranking especially Malaysia.
Im sure they will.
this thomas cup qualifier,they sent the best among the best.

n if they failed to do so,its getting to my nerve then.BAM is gonna be bash by fans
they are taking a risk by sending our best players.

My prediction:

Champions: China
Runners up: Indonesia (the indons are too pressured to win on home ground, even to lift the racket)

3rd place: Msia
4th place: Denmark

Oops!!! There's the offensive word again.

Takeshi, you better modify it in respect of our INA friends, otherwise Ants, Terry and I might get into trouble at the Istora ...... :p and Loh's tripod will become a "casualty of war." :D

There is no 3rd placing match anymore.

In semis,they are all top 4
no 3rd or 4th.Takde thrill la..

look at world cup.african cup.Football generally.

In semis,they are all top 4
no 3rd or 4th.Takde thrill la..

look at world cup.african cup.Football generally.

wrong! totally wrong!
Germany won over Portugal in 3rd placing match of WC 06

No country had ever lifted Thomas Cup by winning all 3 singles, not even during its peak when Yang Yang/Zhao Jian Hua/Xiong Guo Bao were playing for the singles.

Anyway, China will be the favorite to win, followed by Malaysia, Denmark, Indonesia and Korea.

(1) China to win by 2S + 1D; all 3 singles can deliver points but pressure will be on Cai Yun/Foo Hai Feng to deliver the crucial point if one of the singles fails. 80% chance of winning

(2) Malaysia to win by 1S + 2D; pressure will be on Lee Chong Wei to deliver the first point. 60% Malaysia Boleh

(3) Denmark to win: 1S + 2D; pressure will be on Peter Gade to deliver the crucial point. Can the oldest team win? 50%

(4) Indonesia to win: 2S + 1D, pressure will be on singles to deliver the crucial points. 40%

(5) Korea to win: 1S + 2D. 30%

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OMG I WOULD SO WANT DENMARK TO WIN! I know I'm Chinese and I should be voting for my country (China) to win but I think China wins too much and I got sick of them... Denmark is like the underdog of badminton now. If they won, it would be the best win ever. Then Peter Gade, Kenneth Jonassen and Jens Eriksen / Martin Lundgaard Hansen... can all retire happily because they are all 30 and over now lol. hehe It would be the retirement gift ever. Agree?

But think about it guys, wouldn't you like to see a surprised result out of this? Like when we heard that Lin Dan loss to Boonsak Ponsana... the world was in awe and shock and you have to admit it was a good! If you get my drift. So... DENMARK all the way! or Canada... (laughs out loud) >>> slim chance for Canada will win a high-level international badminton tournament.:cool:

Part 2 of my detailed prediction are up:

The Badminton Blog - China vs. Indonesia - A Better Chance Perhaps? (http://thebadmintonblog.blogspot.com/2008/02/china-vs-indonesia-better-chance.html)

just out of interest:

Please answer the questions in this poll:

The Badminton Blog - Thomas Cup Polls 2: Desire vs. Realism (http://thebadmintonblog.blogspot.com/2008/02/thomas-cup-polls-2-desire-vs-realism.html)

wrong! totally wrong!
Germany won over Portugal in 3rd placing match of WC 06
U misuderstood my post.

I mean for badminton tournament theres no 3rd or 4th.
meanwhile in football we can see another game by the lost teams.
To recover,win a 3rd place should be ok.

U misuderstood my post.

I mean for badminton tournament theres no 3rd or 4th.
meanwhile in football we can see another game by the lost teams.
To recover,win a 3rd place should be ok.

I think it's only the olympics that have placement for 3rd place.
The losers of the semi-finals play against each other for a bronze medal. They should do it more often to recongize players. Instead of saying that they exited at the semi-finals... makes the player feel more proud of themselves. Don't you think?

I think it's only the olympics that have placement for 3rd place.
The losers of the semi-finals play against each other for a bronze medal. They should do it more often to recongize players. Instead of saying that they exited at the semi-finals... makes the player feel more proud of themselves. Don't you think?
Thats how Badminton works.specifically BWF.
changing rules is a habit.

If something can be done n we'll see a game to determine 4th n 3rd.that will be better.

Oops!!! There's the offensive word again.

Takeshi, you better modify it in respect of our INA friends, otherwise Ants, Terry and I might get into trouble at the Istora ...... :p and Loh's tripod will become a "casualty of war." :D

There is no 3rd placing match anymore.

Hahahaha.....Finally the MAS fans are giving us some respect....thanx for that...we are not Indon......get use to losing the n.....is Indo hohoho...or u can say INA lol:D

To be fair I think INA has better chance than Denmark and Korea........well to be fair INA should be seeded 3rd...

Here is why

MK-HS Rank no 2 in the world
LH-AY Rank no 8 or so in the world

Sony no 6
Taufik no 7
n Simon no 10 (Btw according to my gf in Cirebon I looked a bit like Simon dats why she was supporting Simon when he played Taufik)

So to beat MAS INA can take

2nd n 3rd singles and also 2nd doubles (Maybe) of course MAS is favorite in this tie...

to beat China INA can take both doubles plus 2nd singles from Taufik or so

to beat Denmark INA can take both doubles and 3rd singles from Simon against Person or maybe just maybe Taufik or Sony to snatch a point

to beat Korea INA can go with both doubles plus 3rd singles from Simon again it would be against Shon Seung Mu or Taufik or Sony can snatch a point by the looks of it PSH play first so ya Sony to take it against PSH

Denmark For The Win!

Denmark For The Win!

Denmark had their best chance ever, in 2000. Only to hit the INA wall. The semis match that should have been a final.

Next best chance was in 2004, when they had 3 strong singles, Peter Rasmussen was still playing.

Though I still respect their potential, it is not looking likely now. However, if somehow they can put Lars/Jonas in 1st MD, Boe/Mogensen in 2nd MD and snatch a MS point from either Gade or Jonassen, it may be possible. 3rd singles is too far behind.

what about
Jens Eriksen / Martin Lundgaard Hasen in Denmark's Men's Doubles...
There, that's the win. The pressure is on GADE, JONASSEN and ERIKSEN/LUNDGAARD

it's not like China, Indo, or Malay is impossible. so Denmark is looking for that miracle. anything is possible. And as my earlier post... A surprise is always good!

can someone setup a blog where fans can send in their predictions?
iit will be good to show in graph.

i think Indo can make a surprise. Don't underestimate them. They always rise to the occasion when thing matters.

If you go to Istora Senayan in Indonesia, you can feel the crazy atmosphere there. Like in a war...
I predict Indo 55: China 45.
Indo win 3-2.

If you go to Istora Senayan in Indonesia, you can feel the crazy atmosphere there. Like in a war...
I predict Indo 55: China 45.
Indo win 3-2.

China is eager to made the history happened again.
Thomas Cup 2004 in Jkt:
INDONESIA 0 - 5 CHINA:):p:D

If you go to Istora Senayan in Indonesia, you can feel the crazy atmosphere there. Like in a war...
I predict Indo 55: China 45.
Indo win 3-2.

By all means, join us and participate in war ....... :D U can assist in a famous Indo victory.

Nah, the atmosphere is more controlled now. Nowhere are two venues more alike, Istora Senayan and Stadium Negara, and different from the rest.

China is eager to made the history happened again.
Thomas Cup 2004 in Jkt:
INDONESIA 0 - 5 CHINA:):p:D

LOL........can we say that u are "Anti-Indonesia" :cool::eek:;):mad: ?

China is eager to made the history happened again.
Thomas Cup 2004 in Jkt:
INDONESIA 0 - 5 CHINA:):p:D

5-0???:mad::eek::D
I think 4-1 is more realistic...
Indo's 2nd MD is better than China's (my opinion)...:cool:

5-0???:mad::eek::D
I think 4-1 is more realistic...
Indo's 2nd MD is better than China's (my opinion)...:cool:

LOL...don't you know the one who posted the 5-0 prediction for China is someone who said that we are all anti-China ;):rolleyes::p ?

LOL...don't you know the one who posted the 5-0 prediction for China is someone who said that we are all anti-China ;):rolleyes::p ?

I think its enough for anti-Ina or anti-Chn.
let see who will win in Jkt.

China is eager to made the history happened again.
Thomas Cup 2004 in Jkt:
INDONESIA 0 - 5 CHINA:):p:D

I'm very proud when China trounced Indonesia 5-0 in TC 04 in Jkt.
the first team that can do that.
I highly doubt if any other countries can do the same

Dont bother with this guy..he is reincarnation from same guy last year....( jangan diladeni)

China is eager to made the history happened again.
Thomas Cup 2004 in Jkt:
INDONESIA 0 - 5 CHINA:):p:D
my first china die hard fan mate.
Really nice.
but in a way,dont go overboard.

I think its enough for anti-Ina or anti-Chn.
let see who will win in Jkt.
You are the one started it...lets see in Jakarta...then you should come then;)

Dont bother with this guy..he is reincarnation from same guy last year....( jangan diladeni)

reincarnation from who?

You are the one started it...lets see in Jakarta...then you should come then;)

Nah...he would rather stay in his beloved China than coming to Jakarta ;)

5-0???:mad::eek::D
I think 4-1 is more realistic...
Indo's 2nd MD is better than China's (my opinion)...:cool:
Our 1st and 2nd MD are much better now.........;)

I'm very proud when China trounced Indonesia 5-0 in TC 04 in Jkt.
the first team that can do that.
I highly doubt if any other countries can do the same

Ah...talking about trouncing.....we were there in the Hong Kong Open 2007 to witness Fu Haifeng/Cai Yun being trounced in straight sets by Markis Kido/Hendra Setiawan....a very sweet feeling for most of us present in the QES.

Oh...and also Nova/Butet's victory over Zheng Bo/Gao Ling made it even sweeter :D;)

We are proud to be Indonesians, esp as we were there to witness those proceedings live before our own eyes. Isn't it right Hau-Ge? :rolleyes:

Ah...talking about trouncing.....we were there in the Hong Kong Open 2007 to witness Fu Haifeng/Cai Yun being trounced in straight sets by Markis Kido/Hendra Setiawan....a very sweet feeling for most of us present in the QES.

Oh...and also Nova/Butet's victory over Zheng Bo/Gao Ling made it even sweeter :D;)

We are proud to be Indonesians, esp as we were there to witness those proceedings live before our own eyes. Isn't it right Hau-Ge? :rolleyes:

JAPAN OPEN 2006

LIN DAN vs TAUFIK HIDAYAT
16-21, 21-16, 21-3

this what I called trouncing!

Dont bother with this guy..he is reincarnation from same guy last year....( jangan diladeni)
Haha...Anw brother huangkwohau.having him here is quite fun.
argue..debate...
But still in control.that matters most.

yeah guys, keep it civil .... :)

otherwise you'll feel the lash of someone's old, but firm, hand.

Ah...talking about trouncing.....we were there in the Hong Kong Open 2007 to witness Fu Haifeng/Cai Yun being trounced in straight sets by Markis Kido/Hendra Setiawan....a very sweet feeling for most of us present in the QES.

Oh...and also Nova/Butet's victory over Zheng Bo/Gao Ling made it even sweeter :D;)

We are proud to be Indonesians, esp as we were there to witness those proceedings live before our own eyes. Isn't it right Hau-Ge? :rolleyes:
YEP>>..thats right!!

China was trounced by Indonesia several times in the Thomas Cup during the 90s too remember? You want me to quote some results for you?
1994 Thomas Cup Group Stage: INA 5 CHN 0
2000 Thomas Cup FINAL: INA 3 CHN 0 (INA beat CHN 4-1 in the Group Stage)

Unless Team INA meets CHN in the Group Stage of Thomas Cup 2008 (pretty much unlikely as both teams will be seeded), the prediction of 5-0 WILL NEVER BE A REALITY! The matches will be over in 3 games (3-0), 4 games (3-1), or if it goes all the way to 5 games (3-2), so, unfortunately, someone's dream will just be another dream :D

China was trounced by Indonesia several times in the Thomas Cup during the 90s too remember? You want me to quote some results for you?
1994 Thomas Cup Group Stage: INA 5 CHN 0
2000 Thomas Cup FINAL: INA 3 CHN 0 (INA beat CHN 4-1 in the Group Stage)

Unless Team INA meets CHN in the Group Stage of Thomas Cup 2008 (pretty much unlikely as both teams will be seeded), the prediction of 5-0 WILL NEVER BE A REALITY! The matches will be over in 3 games (3-0), 4 games (3-1), or if it goes all the way to 5 games (3-2), so, unfortunately, someone's dream will just be another dream :D
YEP..he is same guy in 2006...same topic form OG to non important Asian games then trashed TH , etc....same guy.........

Personally i think its too early to predict the results. I think most teams are equal and have a fiar chance to win. Same goes to China which they have their weaknesses as well. At the moment i dont see any country which is dominating and looked like a Clear favorite to win.

Personally i think its too early to predict the results. I think most teams are equal and have a fiar chance to win. Same goes to China which they have their weaknesses as well. At the moment i dont see any country which is dominating and looked like a Clear favorite to win.


I couldn't agree more coz I think Malaysia will win -- we can 'posture' here as much as we want but the end result may be different.

China was trounced by Indonesia several times in the Thomas Cup during the 90s too remember? You want me to quote some results for you?
1994 Thomas Cup Group Stage: INA 5 CHN 0
2000 Thomas Cup FINAL: INA 3 CHN 0 (INA beat CHN 4-1 in the Group Stage)

Unless Team INA meets CHN in the Group Stage of Thomas Cup 2008 (pretty much unlikely as both teams will be seeded), the prediction of 5-0 WILL NEVER BE A REALITY! The matches will be over in 3 games (3-0), 4 games (3-1), or if it goes all the way to 5 games (3-2), so, unfortunately, someone's dream will just be another dream :D

the match was played in Jkt, not in Chn
meanwhile CHN trounced Ina in Jkt, so it was so special.
no other teams can do the same:D

Ah...talking about trouncing.....we were there in the Hong Kong Open 2007 to witness Fu Haifeng/Cai Yun being trounced in straight sets by Markis Kido/Hendra Setiawan....a very sweet feeling for most of us present in the QES.

Oh...and also Nova/Butet's victory over Zheng Bo/Gao Ling made it even sweeter :D;)

We are proud to be Indonesians, esp as we were there to witness those proceedings live before our own eyes. Isn't it right Hau-Ge? :rolleyes:

a very sweet feeling for me when:

Ina's players can't win a single title in WC 89 in Jkt (CHN 4, Kor 1):D
Ina's team can't win TC or UC in Jkt 2004 (CHN won both titles):D
INA's players can't win a single title in Ina SS 07 (the first time in history):D
BCL slaugthered TH in TC 04 in Jkt (15-9, 15-5 for Bao):D
Xie Zhong Bo / Xang Ya Wen won against Nova / Lilyana in Ina Open 06:D
Zheng Bo / Gao Ling won against Nova / Lilyana in Ina SS 07:D

the match was played in Jkt, not in Chn
meanwhile CHN trounced Ina in Jkt, so it was so special.
no other teams can do the same:D

Talking about trouncing, Malaysia trounced China 3-1 in Guangzhou Thomas Cup 2002. And WMC trounced all the best CHN players in Guangzhou during China Open 2007 ..... :D

But really, why can't we be civil about other teams' previous accomplishments? Even Denmark, who has not won the Cup but is the only team that participated in the final rounds of all TC.

Ina's players can't win a single title in WC 89 in Jkt (CHN 4, Kor 1):D
Ina's team can't win TC or UC in Jkt 2004 (CHN won both titles):D
INA's players can't win a single title in Ina SS 07 (the first time in history):D
BCL slaugthered TH in TC 04 in Jkt (15-9, 15-5 for Bao):D
Xie Zhong Bo / Xang Ya Wen won against Nova / Lilyana in Ina Open 06:D
Zheng Bo / Gao Ling won against Nova / Lilyana in Ina SS 07:D

Mostly OT here...but can't resist replying to this guy here :o:
WC 1989 -- too far back to remember the events then :D I wasn't even paying attention to any sports back then.

Jakarta 2004 -- INA Team was too weak to win the Thomas Cup. Everyone acknowledged that :mad: So, its expected we would lose the Thomas Cup. As for Uber Cup, not even worth mentioning. As for Taufik Hidayat, I am not really a big fan of him anyway, Indra and taufik will answer this for u :p

INA Open 2006 -- a minor defeat...does not affect anything at all. Besides, Nova/Butet were able to avenge the loss in subsequent events, including the World Championships 2007. The Major Blip will be Nova/Butet "unexpected" loss to Koo/Wong in the early rounds of WC 2006 and that defeat to Zheng/Gao in the Asian Games 2006.

INA SS 2007 -- rather expected loss, but, as always, Nova/Butet were able to avenge the loss to Zheng/Gao in the World Championships 2007....that was what u call a thrashing, with Zheng Bo looking so "lost" in that match :D An unexpected easy victory for Nova/Butet in a more important championships :D Which one is sweeter, I believe all INA fans would agree with me ;)

Well, quite an embarrassment indeed not to win any titles in the INA SS 2007, but, didn't we come back in style and WON 2 titles in the subsequent World Championships 2007 :D? That feeling more than made up for any disappointment in the INA SS 2007.

Oh...and Nova/Butet won in Guangzhou and also beat Zheng/Gao yet again in the following week. 2 back-to-back titles in the Greater China region (same as Kido/Hendra).....even sweeter feelings :D:rolleyes:;)

Don't forget, Kido/Hendra completely thrash Guo/Xie in the first set of the CO Final in Guangzhou. The second set was slightly nervy, but, the World Champions managed to pull it off eventually with style :D Coupled with China's fans own criticisms of the organizers and in particular referees and linesmen (in case u didn't know abt it).

Oh....have u forgotten also that INA HAS WON THE MEN'S DOUBLES IN CHINA OPEN SINCE 2004? That's 4 straight years dude.....woow.....:D
2004 and 2005: Candra Wijaya/Sigit Budiarto
2006 and 2007: Markis Kido/Hendra Setiawan (both beating China's MDs in the Final, in front of their home crowd...ah....sweet :D)

Talking about trouncing, Malaysia trounced China 3-1 in Guangzhou Thomas Cup 2002. And WMC trounced all the best CHN players in Guangzhou during China Open 2007 ..... :D


Well said abedeng! I didn't mention that result because I am only focussing on INA's result!

Mostly OT here...but can't resist replying to this guy here :o:
WC 1989 -- too far back to remember the events then :D I wasn't even paying attention to any sports back then.

Jakarta 2004 -- INA Team was too weak to win the Thomas Cup. Everyone acknowledged that :mad: So, its expected we would lose the Thomas Cup. As for Uber Cup, not even worth mentioning. As for Taufik Hidayat, I am not really a big fan of him anyway, Indra and taufik will answer this for u :p

INA Open 2006 -- a minor defeat...does not affect anything at all. Besides, Nova/Butet were able to avenge the loss in subsequent events, including the World Championships 2007. The Major Blip will be Nova/Butet "unexpected" loss to Koo/Wong in the early rounds of WC 2006 and that defeat to Zheng/Gao in the Asian Games 2006.

INA SS 2007 -- rather expected loss, but, as always, Nova/Butet were able to avenge the loss to Zheng/Gao in the World Championships 2007....that was what u call a thrashing, with Zheng Bo looking so "lost" in that match :D An unexpected easy victory for Nova/Butet in a more important championships :D Which one is sweeter, I believe all INA fans would agree with me ;)

Well, quite an embarrassment indeed not to win any titles in the INA SS 2007, but, didn't we come back in style and WON 2 titles in the subsequent World Championships 2007 :D? That feeling more than made up for any disappointment in the INA SS 2007.

Oh...and Nova/Butet won in Guangzhou and also beat Zheng/Gao yet again in the following week. 2 back-to-back titles in the Greater China region (same as Kido/Hendra).....even sweeter feelings :D:rolleyes:;)

Don't forget, Kido/Hendra completely thrash Guo/Xie in the first set of the CO Final in Guangzhou. The second set was slightly nervy, but, the World Champions managed to pull it off eventually with style :D Coupled with China's fans own criticisms of the organizers and in particular referees and linesmen (in case u didn't know abt it).

Oh....have u forgotten also that INA HAS WON THE MEN'S DOUBLES IN CHINA OPEN SINCE 2004? That's 4 straight years dude.....woow.....:D
2004 and 2005: Candra Wijaya/Sigit Budiarto
2006 and 2007: Markis Kido/Hendra Setiawan (both beating China's MDs in the Final, in front of their home crowd...ah....sweet :D)

when CHN's players (full - team) played in Ina open, they're always be the overall winners.
it was happened several times, Ina only got 1 gold and the total failure was happened in 2007, not a single title.
China's players at least can deliver 2 golds when they played in CO.
they can deliver 5 golds in WC 87.
how many gold for host Ina in WC 89? NONE!
sorry, China is not like Indonesia:D

!
sorry, China is not like Indonesia:D

You are right!!!
In China Open ( Cheng Du and GZ 2007), Chinese players got all helps from all chinese umpires , service judges and linesmen...........:D:D

Talking about trouncing, Malaysia trounced China 3-1 in Guangzhou Thomas Cup 2002. And WMC trounced all the best CHN players in Guangzhou during China Open 2007 ..... :D

But really, why can't we be civil about other teams' previous accomplishments? Even Denmark, who has not won the Cup but is the only team that participated in the final rounds of all TC.

Malaysia fans, don't "involved" in this arguing about who is the best between China and Indonesia.

MALAYSIA :
never won a single gold in OG
never won a single title in WC (behind Sweden, USA, Jpn and etc):D
never won Uber Cup
never won Sudirman Cup

SO, KEEP QUIET, MALAYSIA FANS.

You are right!!!
In China Open ( Cheng Du and GZ 2007), Chinese players got all helps from all chinese umpires , service judges and linesmen...........:D:D

and what about TH vs CY in SF Ina 06? a good chat!
is that a good sportsmanship of the OG & WC champion?

LOL, you guys are naughty, playing with this Winston guy....& he doesnt realize it...

TC & Uber this year will be very interesting.

TC : Indonesia might just take it this time around, the kelam kabut situation in the setup has ceased.
Uber : Waiting for Korea to pull their 'weird' line up again, who knows what will happen, he he.

LOL, you guys are naughty, playing with this Winston guy....& he doesnt realize it...


PSST: don't reveal it ;) He's still in the dark apparently :p