Coffee & Starchy Food + Shoulder Injury = Bad?

[wedgewenis]

Okay - I am 100% Convinced that Coffee and Starchy Foods inflame Tendonits in my shoulder - Has anyone else experienced this at all :confused:


They are the only things in my Diet that cause my shoulder to feel weaker

With coffee I will feel increase in Shouler pain within 15 mins ... drinking more doesn't make it hurt more only to feel weaker. And Its not like i'm doing anything strenuous at work.

I could test this theory by doing pushups (25) - On a rested day - If I drink a cup of coffee wait 15 mins and do pushups the pain will cause me to want to stop before 25 pushups - On another day when my shoulder is rested (no coffee) I could easily do 30 pushups before noticing any discomfort.


with Starchy foods like 'Instant Noodles', If I have them in my diet over a period of days My shoulder will go into a slump of feeling quite tired and sore .... as soon as I remove it from my diet - the shoulder feels typically better within a few days after.

The injury is always present but its much more sensitive after coffee and eating starchy food.......

I'm just curious if anyone has experienced this and if anyone knows why? what ingredient is causing inflammation to increase or for my shoulder to be more sensitive?

[Gollum]

I've not heard of this before.

One possible explanation is that coffee, a stimulant, raises your heart rate and narrows your blood vessels, increasing blood pressure. This could increase make inflammation worse.

If the starchy foods are high in salt, they would also raise blood pressure.

[SystemicAnomaly]

Interesting theory on coffee's effect on shoulder pain. Well worth looking into. Have you noticed the effect with decaf? How about other drinks with a high caffeine content?

It may or may not be the effect of the caffeine in the coffee. There are a myriad of different chemicals present in coffee that could account for the effect. At least one study (maybe more) found that the hypertension attributed to high levels of coffee consumption appeared to be due to something other than caffeine. The study found that decaf had the very same effect on hypertension -- even tho' the caffeine content of decaf is barely perceptible.

I believe that coffees & teas contain some substances that are vasodilators & others that are vaso constrictors. It is my understanding that the overall effect of coffee (perhaps not tea) is that it acts as a fairly mild vasoconstrictor -- narrowing blood vessels somewhat.

On the other hand, inflammation is marked by vasodilation and a reduced blood flow. Will have to look further into all of this.
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[stumblingfeet]

I think caffeine increases your sensitivity to insulin, and high carb foods can cause a spike in insulin level. Maybe it is something related to that?

Are these effects synergistic? How is the effect of each element on its own?

Personally, I've found that when I don't eat carbs for several days, my joints feel so much more lubricated, even though I don't normally experience any joint discomfort. That probably suggests some low-level inflammation is going on. When I resume eating starchy foods, I can sometimes feel the sensation of "puffing up" perhaps some of that inflammation coming back?

On a perhaps unrelated note, when I don't eat carbs my sensitivity to coffee goes up a lot. This incredible alertness, like I'm on coffee without drinking any coffee, and then if I do drink coffee, the effects are much more potent. So, there is some kind of connection between the consumption of starchy foods and sensitivity to caffeine.

[cooler]

Okay - I am 100% Convinced that Coffee and Starchy Foods inflame Tendonits in my shoulder - Has anyone else experienced this at all :confused:


They are the only things in my Diet that cause my shoulder to feel weaker

With coffee I will feel increase in Shouler pain within 15 mins ... drinking more doesn't make it hurt more only to feel weaker. And Its not like i'm doing anything strenuous at work.

I could test this theory by doing pushups (25) - On a rested day - If I drink a cup of coffee wait 15 mins and do pushups the pain will cause me to want to stop before 25 pushups - On another day when my shoulder is rested (no coffee) I could easily do 30 pushups before noticing any discomfort.


with Starchy foods like 'Instant Noodles', If I have them in my diet over a period of days My shoulder will go into a slump of feeling quite tired and sore .... as soon as I remove it from my diet - the shoulder feels typically better within a few days after.

The injury is always present but its much more sensitive after coffee and eating starchy food.......

I'm just curious if anyone has experienced this and if anyone knows why? what ingredient is causing inflammation to increase or for my shoulder to be more sensitive?
yes, i heard of it and most good chinese natural healers know this. There are some western writings on it but mostly not officially acknowledged as western doctors arent trained in nutrition and powerful food companies dont want u to know this. Also, each person tolerance level is different, u almost have to view it as an allergy. Also some might have minor inflammation and dont notice it.

http://www.serrapeptase.info/over_inflammation.htm
http://www.usnews.com/usnews/health/briefs/nutrition/hb041025c.htm

[SystemicAnomaly]

...with Starchy foods like 'Instant Noodles', If I have them in my diet over a period of days My shoulder will go into a slump of feeling quite tired and sore .... as soon as I remove it from my diet - the shoulder feels typically better within a few days after...

Any MSG (monosodium glutamate) in your Instant Noodles? MSG is a suspected inflammation trigger. How about other foods that you suspect contribute to your shoulder pain?

[SystemicAnomaly]

yes, i heard of it and most good chinese natural healers know this. There are some western writings on it but mostly not officially acknowledged as western doctors arent trained in nutrition and powerful food companies dont want u to know this. Also, each person tolerance level is different, u almost have to view it as an allergy. Also some might have minor inflammation and dont notice it.

http://www.serrapeptase.info/over_inflammation.htm
http://www.usnews.com/usnews/health/briefs/nutrition/hb041025c.htm

Kudos for this input, cooler. I agree whole-heartedly on your take of the Western medical community as well as the food industry here in the US. It appears that the AMA, FDA & large pharmaceutical companies are more focused on the big business end of medicine rather than public health.

It appears that the food industry here is also guilty. Obesity, early onset of puberty and various diseases in the US appear to be a result of foood additive policies put into place, particularly since the mid-20th century. We are slowly taking countermeasures to correct many of those policies.

I took a look at US News article on coffee & inflammation as well as half a dozen others. I noticed that none of these implicated the caffeine in coffee. In fact, I came across a couple of sources that indicated that other caffeine sources, such as teas, did not appear to be a factor in triggering or contributing to inflammation.

newsletter.vitalchoice.com/e_article000683981.cfm?x=b8fMypM,b5PRNLJ0,w (http://newsletter.vitalchoice.com/e_article000683981.cfm?x=b8fMypM,b5PRNLJ0,w)

In a related matter, the link between coffee and hypertension has not really been firmly established. Some studies indicate a link while others find no such connection. Some studies have shown that decaf coffee is a contributory factor for hypertension. It appears that something in coffee, other than caffeine, might be the trigger.

americanheart.org/presenter.jhtml?identifier=3006582 (http://americanheart.org/presenter.jhtml?identifier=3006582)

[hartono3078]

many people know coffee is no good,but few people know that the no good thing in coffee can clear no good thing in your body

[SystemicAnomaly]

many people know coffee is no good,but few people know that the no good thing in coffee can clear no good thing in your body

Huh? Don't understand this at all.

Coffee appears to have some health benefits as well as drawbacks. Moderation is usually the key -- 1 or 2 cups per day appears to be ok for many ppl. Howver, as little as 6 oz has been reported to be an inflammation trigger.

[hartono3078]

one cup for prevent many many cup for cure

[JianKaiSG]

redbull somehow has the same effects as coffee ... i tried once ... having a can of redbull before a game and my whole body was heating up to much that i felt sore in the end ... might be the caffine too ... not very sure about it

[SystemicAnomaly]

one cup for prevent many many cup for cure

Ok, now I understand.


redbull somehow has the same effects as coffee ... i tried once ... having a can of redbull before a game and my whole body was heating up to much that i felt sore in the end ... might be the caffine too ... not very sure about it

You could be experiencing a niacin flush -- it usually occurs some 20 to 30 minutes after ingesting niacin. Some ppl are more sensitive to niacin than others. It's not normally considered dangerous, however a few ppl with a rare genetic disorder cannot tolerate anything but minute levels of the nutrient.

You could also be sensitive to taurine, glucuronolactone, one or more of the other B vitamins, or something else in the formulation. Note that the caffeine content of a Red bull is equivalent to a weak cup of coffee.
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[hartono3078]

result were only know 3 day or a week not one day when you coffee

[wedgewenis]

I don't think caffeine has anything to do with it..

both energy drinks and caffeine pills don't affect the problem at all, ever.

I dont think its caffeine in coffee either, because starchy foods don't have caffeine - but what do they both have in common... who knows?

No there are no other foods that I can connect with inflammation at all. none that I can think of.


Any MSG (monosodium glutamate) in your Instant Noodles? MSG is a suspected inflammation trigger. How about other foods that you suspect contribute to your shoulder pain?

Could be something like that yea.....