Doo6's FeetTec (c) (tm)

[CoolDoo6]

This will be a multi-post piece describing feet-related technologies I am employing for the game of badminton.

This piece will be for entertainment and information. My devolted 'fans' should refrain from beating me up or call me names for anything I will say because I am doing this for free. :cool:

[twobeer]

http://www.vimeo.com/clip:9390

too late...

[jerby]

This should be good...
http://www.comfortableshoes.com/images/shoes/cr/croc_coral.jpgp http://www.comfortableshoes.com/images/shoes/cr/croc_coral.jpg
like that?

weren't you the bloke wearing basketball shoes?
you're not going to reduce your own MOI, are you?

[Kelvin]

This should be good...

like that?

weren't you the bloke wearing basketball shoes?
you're not going to reduce your own MOI, are you?
LMAO

You guys are hilarious.

By the way, I saw the spring shoes on you-tube in February... they seem pretty cool.

both these types of footwear would destroy Doob's ankles.
He would not wear them.

[twobeer]

Spy-shots direct from UK :cool:

[Pete LSD]

Don't feed the troll :p:D:D.

[CoolDoo6]

Introduction

The feet is one of the most important parts of the body used in badminton. Yet judging by the injuries sustained by a lot of people, the feet is probably one of the most negleted part. Without proper protection, not only the feet sustains injury, but also the ankle, the shin, the knee, and all of the muscles connected to these. One of the biggest punishments the feet receives is shock. If this isn't delt with, injuries will surely follow.

Being a stomper myself, avoiding shock was my greatest priority. After trying all kinds of footwear, I realised something more than just a pair of good shoes was needed. This resulted in my searching for a solution. Herein is described the solution I found.

[jerby]

can you say "footwork" ?

most ankle/knee/leg injuries in badminton come from motorical faillure. Stomping is faillig to put yoru foot down gently. Rolling your ankle is a faillure to stop/turn correctly.
That being said, accidents do happen, because when you're tired your motoric(al?) skills go down rapidly. But proper footwork, drilling and coaching allow your body to handle it's problems by itself
if not, why not just wear every possible brace you can buy?

EDIT: Twobeer,
the "keep moving" cardboard shoes win this round ;)

[CoolDoo6]

The Lucky First Attempt

My first major attempt at a solution turned out to be best. This comprised a pair of Adidas basketball shoes, a full-size Sobathane shock absorber, and a heel-size additional absorber to go underneath. The shoes had treamendous shock absorption performance and no shock was felt for over a year before the internal sole (part of the shoe) was completely flattened. After that the shoes offered no shock resistance and had to be replaced. Surprisingly the exteria all leather structure of the shoes was as good as new.

Unlike practially all badminton shoes, the Adidas had no seams on the sides of the toes to cause abrassion damage, and extremely comfortable to wear even during a lunge landing when the leading foot was forced forward in the shoe.

The mid-top ankle sides of the shoes acted as excellent "air-bags" on hard landings of the ankle during spraina. In close to 1.5 years of use, I suffered 2 ankle sprains. On both occasions, my ankle landed on the side padding and I was able to get up and carry on with no damage whtsoever. The slightly riggid structure of the shoes prevented numerous near-misses of sprains that I knew was happening and then noticed my shoes did not allow my ankle to get into a dangerous angle.

No down times of my feet were suffered during the life time of the Adidas. Unfortunately this shoes is no longer available for purchase, and my attempt to replace it with a pair of Nike backetball shoes failed miserably.

[CoolDoo6]

The Effect Of Socks

A common secondary feet damage factor is abrasion between the feet and soaked socks, resulting in blisters and thick hard skins. A double pair of socks is very effective for reducing this kind of damage. A soft and new internal sock is particularly good at alleviating this problem. I found an internal ankle sock most comfortable to wear and yet had minimal bulk.

[CoolDoo6]

can you say "footwork" ?


This is an equipment section. Footwork holds little currency here. I don't train and never will. Braces restrict blood flow. I think they are bad for your health.

[chickenpoodle]

yeah, but in the end, you're still getting all these little sprains, rolls, and potential rolls... could you not think for minute that its because the basketball shoes are too high off the ground? the heel area is too far up, and the edges of the shoe are not rounded off enough? all giving in to making it easier for the shoe to tip over?

i notice you said footwork holds little value... however you must admit footwork is the easiest method to help protect our lower body and improve our game.
and even training isn't necessary to do so... people pick things up in the course of casual play...

i used indoor soccer shoes at the very beginning, then switched to badminton shoes after 6 to 8 months? and after i got serious about badminton... and i think because of that, i've never even had the inkling of "oh no, i think that was a near ankle roll!"

[Shifty]

this is pretty amusing. one thing is, why not get stronger, more stable leg muscles to control your movement, along with footwork, so you don't need to waste all this money and effort into equipment. like any section of badminton, training overpowers pure technology.

another thing is, i've played for 2 years, and haven't suffered a single sprained ankle. i think it's mainly to do with footwork. it usually happens when your rushed, and misstep, so why not have better footwork to reduce that chance?

and why is hardened skin bad for you?

[CoolDoo6]

like any section of badminton, training overpowers pure technology.


That may be. But I aim for technology overpowering pure training.




another thing is, i've played for 2 years, and haven't suffered a single sprained ankle.


I play anything up to 5 nights a week of 3-5 hour sessions. Probability for accidents like sprains and damage from shock is significantly higher because of the amount of court time. I have no interest in techniques that reduce the chance of damage. The only thing that will do is guranteed no damage. Through pure luck I stumbled upon the right solution that guranteed uninterrupted play for almost 1.5 years.




and why is hardened skin bad for you?

Build up of hard skins will eventually turn your feet into hooves. But I suppose, there nothing wrong with hooves. Afterall most animals have them.

[twobeer]

So doob's amazing technology, comes down to using double socks and basketball shoes, to play badminton.. Impressive indeed :-)

[jerby]

5 hour sessions... that must be some intense badminton ;)

anyhoo, high-top shoes don't work for badminton because you need to be able to roll your ankles for footwork..it's called 'flexibility'
when I lunge forward I need to flex my ankle in order to get my toes to the ground.

ever wondered why you are the only one playing with basketball shoes? (just a guess)

[Kelvin]

I play anything up to 5 nights a week of 3-5 hour sessions. Probability for accidents like sprains and damage from shock is significantly higher because of the amount of court time. I have no interest in techniques that reduce the chance of damage. The only thing that will do is guranteed no damage. Through pure luck I stumbled upon the right solution that guranteed uninterrupted play for almost 1.5 years.


come on now.. those "keep moving" cardboard shoes are = the win!!!

[Gollum]

For once, could we please leave CoolDoo6 to his pompous prattle?

He had started to make some sensible posts, since his previous hobby-horses (modded Ti-10, comically slack strings) were no longer drawing a reaction.

Making fun of him only reinforces his "unfairly maligned outsider" self-image.

[zhafir92]

wonder why top athletes around the world haven't adopted this "guaranteed no damage" technology..:rolleyes:

[silentheart]

Sorry to ask some stupid questions. Please enlight us.

1) If you tried your experiment the second time on a pair of Nike basketball shoes and it failed really bad, does that invalid your method and conclude that Addida's shoes is better (or better for you) than Nike.
2) Why do you play with soaked sox? Isn't it a bad hygiene?
3) Since you have been playing with basketball shoes for years, I assume you have not use a pair of good badminton shoes for that same period of time, right? If that is the case, where is your control group?

Sorry, these are just some lab procedure questions.

Have a nice week.

[CoolDoo6]

Sorry, these are just some lab procedure questions.


Yes indeed. If one were to be strict about these lab procedures, one would have to ask you why WD40 only devours your strings ? Of course, one isn't that strict. :D

[CoolDoo6]

FeetTec v1.99 Beta

Comprises mid-top Yonex shoes (the shortest mid-top known to man), Yonex power cushion (having examined it, I had to conclude it had less than 0.1% power), modified full size Sobathane absorber, full size Sobathane absorber, protective shield for absorber. Of couse the guarantors of pretty feet go on top of all that.

[silentheart]

I think my other experiment are very valid with no contridiction to my own result while yours are contridicting your own result. Also you were expecting I was able to produce result the contracditing to your claim even before I did the string exp. So you know my result was valid and you were not sure about your claim from the very beginning. Also you were not able to produce any result to back up your claim from the prior experiment.

Please answer to the question in this post only. I am asking you question without personal attack here and please show some respect also.

[LazyBuddy]

I won't even bother to argue with CD6 anymore. Somehow, I think some rather rare ideas seem work for himself, while not acceptable in the general public.

If anything work for himself, go ahead and good luck. However, in general, we should know already which is the correct way to go. Personally, I saw a few very bad accident in badminton gyms, and all of them are with the incorrect shoes. :cool:

[LazyBuddy]

Yes indeed. If one were to be strict about these lab procedures, one would have to ask you why WD40 only devours your strings ? Of course, one isn't that strict. :D

It's not a lawyer firm, and no one needs to knee down to say whether your result is better or not. If you think your solution is better than the rest of the world. Good luck. If any other individuals want to follow you, good luck to them, too. :cool:

[silentheart]

FeetTec v1.99 Beta

Comprises mid-top Yonex shoes (the shortest mid-top known to man), Yonex power cushion (having examined it, I had to conclude it had less than 0.1% power), modified full size Sobathane absorber, full size Sobathane absorber, protective layer for absorber. Of couse the guarantors of pretty feet go on top of all that.

1) can you provide model number which Yonex claim the badminton shoes is "mid-top"? The one you show in your picture is a tennis shoes.
2) "Power Cushion" obsorbe impact, it does not produce any pwoer. Please do not play the word game. Also there are video to show egg drop into Yonex shoes and survive while it does not for other brand. (given this a a commercial to backup their claim)
3) I am sorry are you refereing to "Sorbathane"? there is no such thing as "Sobathane". No one here is claiming the Yonex "Power Cushion" is best insole here. Infact Sir DinkALot recommend using other insole on Yonex shoes. If you are jsut try to cut and past some words without reading them, please save your energy.

[CoolDoo6]

The 'power cushion' is incapable of either power or absorption. But it makes a perfect cradle for my sorbathane (thx for the correction) absorbers. So it isn't completely useless.

[CoolDoo6]

The shoes are SHB79 Mid Top Wide. They should have called them short-top or dwarf-top.

[jerby]

Yes indeed. If one were to be strict about these lab procedures, one would have to ask you why WD40 only devours your strings ? Of course, one isn't that strict. :D
amazing...

somehow, you managed to quote a part of his message, which was a normal polite question and turn it into a personal attack...about wd40?

wow...you're debatign skills are amazing:rolleyes:

[jerby]

The 'power cushion' is incapable of either power or absorption. But it makes a perfect cradle for my sorbathane (thx for the correction) absorbers. So it isn't completely useless.
so you're saying the shoes 95% of all pros use (brandwise) don't cushion?

great...

My hi-tec shoes were very cushiony at the start, I didn't like it..too cushiony shoes slow you down and lose "feel" with the floor...

[silentheart]

May I ask what model of Sorbathane absorbers you are using and what company made it? May I use your info to validate your calim with the Yonex egg experiment?

[CoolDoo6]

May I ask what model of Sorbathane absorbers you are using and what company made it? May I use your info to validate your calim with the Yonex egg experiment?

The sorbothane described were the full-strike and heel-strike: http://racquetlink.webfusion.co.uk/shop/section.php/43/0

I don't see any relevance to the Yonex egg claim. My feet ain't no eggs. My feet come down on the floor like a ton of bricks. Something that is good for eggs, is no use to me. By the way I don't recommend WD40 on Sorbothane absorbers.

[silentheart]

I would like to get the right insole for the test if I do one.

Cooldoo6, no disrespect to you. I just want to know, did you ever take high school physic? Every one know egg test is the standard for testing energy absorption of structure, material or design.

If I ever do the test, I am hoping to prove that Sorbo insole can absorb (or can not absorb) as much energy as Yonex power cushion insole. That is why I need to know which brand and model you use. Or may be you can propose a test and we can validate it for you.

I would like to help you prove your claim. If you do not wish me to validate your claim, please say so and I will stop reply to this post.

[Shifty]

That may be. But I aim for technology overpowering pure training.

not gonna happen buddy. if that happens, you can kiss good by to Lin Dan. you seem to fail to realize no matter what technology is invented, a sport comes down to physical, mental prowess. not cushioning




I play anything up to 5 nights a week of 3-5 hour sessions. Probability for accidents like sprains and damage from shock is significantly higher because of the amount of court time. I have no interest in techniques that reduce the chance of damage. The only thing that will do is guranteed no damage. Through pure luck I stumbled upon the right solution that guranteed uninterrupted play for almost 1.5 years.

that's great!!! so does Lin Dan, and he doesn't get sprained ankles often either. he doesn't even need your complicated methods. his mthod is called footwork




Build up of hard skins will eventually turn your feet into hooves. But I suppose, there nothing wrong with hooves. Afterall most animals have them.

so there's nothing bad about it then. besides, it's not going to build up till it's 10cm thick. it falls off so it only ever remains slightly thicker than normal

[Shifty]

Cooldoo6, no disrespect to you. I just want to know, did you ever take high school physic?

like jerby said, beware the shitstorm. if you haven't read CoolDoo6's posts before, you don't know. he's so physics smart he makes newton like a sloth

[Neil Nicholls]

Being a stomper myself, avoiding shock was my greatest priority.
Can you give us an idea of your age (20s, 30s) and weight to add to our picture of how much you need shock absorption?

[Pete LSD]

http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/member.php?u=13719




Can you give us an idea of your age (20s, 30s) and weight to add to our picture of how much you need shock absorption?

[drowsysmurf]

btw... i really don't think that egg experiment works with yonex shoes =P try throwing the egg at the force ur heel strikes the shoe (it is easily 100lbs+ and if u jump, it is easily 200lbs+) think that egg experiment only works at a certain height too. let's say an egg dropped can exert 1 lb of force... the cushion might work for up to 5 lbs... anything else above does not work that significantly. hahaha... just my two piece... i had an egg splattered shoe (old shb 89 which i tested on before i threw it away... i can test it on another pair (also old and useless) if u guys really want to watch... hahaha...

[xt6666]

http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/member.php?u=13719



Wrong link! The link is for CoolDoob and not for CoolDoo6

[Shifty]

Wrong link! The link is for CoolDoob and not for CoolDoo6

CoolDoo6 is now offcially CoolDoob, he changed his name

[xt6666]

No, CoolDoob is now CoolDoo6! ;-)

[CoolDoo6]

No, I am definitely me.

I am light as a feather but I stomp around heavy as a rhino. I don't care why. I just know it is so. Yonex' egg protection shoes are no use to me. I never carry an egg with me.

[twobeer]

No, I am definitely me.

I am light as a feather but I stomp around heavy as a rhino. I don't care why. I just know it is so. Yonex' egg protection shoes are no use to me. I never carry an egg with me.

But sometimes, you are left with an egg on your face :D

/Twobeer

[Shifty]

No, I am definitely me.

I am light as a feather but I stomp around heavy as a rhino. I don't care why. I just know it is so. Yonex' egg protection shoes are no use to me. I never carry an egg with me.

that doesn't make sense then, there must be something wrong with your footwork, else that wouldn't happen. i think it'd be wise to spend more money and time on correcting your footwork rather than spend it on shoes and stuff. after all, shoes and all that cushioning are stop measures, it's best to go after the root of the problem

[CoolDoo6]

But I want to be a rhino on the court. A rhino, to me, represents power, brute force, and inpenetrable defense. This is the style of badminton I want to play, and I will do nothing to change it.

Yonex shoes are good for chickens and eggs, but no good for rhonos. This is where the afore-decribed FeetTec comes to the rescue.

[DinkAlot]

CD: you need to learn proper footwork.

You should not be stomping. If you are stomping that indicates bad footwork. If you are rhino on the court, you will never be a "good" player because you will never have the footwork to match. You need to be a gazelle not a rhino.

At 230+lbs., you can say I'm a relative rhino on the court but I don't stomp. I've tried many of the top court shoes, including basketball, tennis, cross-training and volleyball and none of them give me the footwork, the transitioning movement I get from badminton shoes. More specifically, any of the top Yonex shoes (SHB99-MX, LE, SHB-100).

If the SHB-99LE with Super Feet Green and two pairs of socks is more than adequate for me, it should be for you too.

Again, you should be focusing on proper footwork. Good luck.





But I want to be a rhino on the court. A rhino, to me, represents power, brute force, and inpenetrable defense. This is the style of badminton I want to play, and I will do nothing to change it.

Yonex shoes are good for chickens and eggs, but no good for rhonos. This is where the afore-decribed FeetTec comes to the rescue.

[zhafir92]

i second wat dinkalot says. has it ever occured to you WHY u need all the cushioning. with the right footwork,i can assure u that you'l b able to play better, protect your lower body n not to mention save a lot of cash.

[CoolDoo6]

Has it occured to anyone this is an equipment discussion and foot work is irrelevant ? If my foot work is so bad, why didn't I get a problem with the adidas ? I am happy to assert badminton shoes are defective and my foot work is perfect.

[GunBlade008]

How is footwork irrelevant? You're talking about shoes :rolleyes: And last I checked, your feet go inside your shoes, and your FEET move the shoes, which lets you move across the court. The shoes provide comfort, grip and safety. I don't see where it says "Better footwork" in Yonex's marketing.

Well, knowing yourself, you would undoubtedly put your hands inside your shoes and use your toes to hold your racquet and say "FORM IS ALSO IRRELEVANT, WE'RE IN AN EQUIPMENT SECTION AND MY SHOES ARE SO GOOD, I CAN PLAY BETTER THAN LIN DAN UPSIDE DOWN!" Technology overpowering pure training? You must be a pretty bad badminton player that relies on solely his racquets' and shoes' specs. Oh yes, I'm also giving you this post for free ;) Have a nice day buddy :D

[Pete LSD]

The title of this thread should be "Footwear for a no footwork noob" :D:D:D

A second title is "Things to avoid as a beginner"

Now, where is that filter thread button on the control panel?

[jerby]

But I want to be a rhino on the court. A rhino, to me, represents power, brute force, and inpenetrable defense. This is the style of badminton I want to play, and I will do nothing to change it.

Yonex shoes are good for chickens and eggs, but no good for rhonos. This is where the afore-decribed FeetTec comes to the rescue.
...

you want to look spastic?
you're the first person I've éver heard about who wánt to look like he has no control over his legs...

I am happy to assert badminton shoes are defective and my foot work is perfect.
are you familiar with the term "Occams razor"?

[silentheart]

An experiment need to be able to be validated. If your insole works so well, it should work for all shoes, not just 1 model of Adidas shoes. You already disproved your theory that Sorbathane insole works great for you when you claim it does not work for Nike or Yonex shoes. You should claim the combo of 1 Adidas shoes with your insole works best for you. Beside, your feet are different than other people's, what fits you might not be the best for other. Also, double socks does not work because your foot move around in the shoe and cause ankle injury. That is why you need higher ankle support for your shoes.

[wood_22_chuck]

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-dave

[Pete LSD]

More the reason, the users have the ability to filter out what they want to see :D.


See? Trolls: 1, Helpful_contributors: 0.

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-dave

[CoolDoo6]

[quote=jerby;583548are you familiar with the term "Occams razor"?[/quote]

No. But I was familiar with what the best man can get - the Gillette razor. I stopped using that when the multi-bladed beast cut my face all over.

[CoolDoo6]

It should be obvious to people that footwear is footwork-neutral. Footwork can be performed bare-foot, or while wearing FeetTec (c) (tm) enhanced shoes. This discussion is about footwear. Footwork should be left for another time and another place.

[DinkAlot]

No. But I was familiar with what the best man can get - the Gillette razor. I stopped using that when the multi-bladed beast cut my face all over.

I have a thick and very hard beard and the Gillette dual strip is one of the best disposable razors I've tried.

Since you're a rhino, I didn't think a wussy little blade could cut you. :p

[CoolDoo6]

Basketball Shoes 1, Badminton Shoes 0

When my basketball shoes were finally decommissioned after prolonged service, I simply transfered the mod components (full size absorber + heel size absorber) into the new Yonex SHB79 shoes thinking that I could carry on safely as before. Very quickly, I noticed the shock absorption performance was abysmal. Nevertheless I ignored the warning and carried on with full faith in the Power Cushion's egg protection abilities. Then one night, close to the end of a 3 hour session of heavy combat, I sustained a severe compression on the extreme lower part of my calf muscle. That left me limping for the remaining few points and lost my final game of the night. From that moment on, I realise what superior egg protection in Yonex shoes meant - that they were good for eggs and not much good for feet or legs.

The injury resulted in limps for 2 weeks and lost of greater than 50% arm power for 3 weeks. My defense was severely degraded. But determed defense while hopping on one foot had nevertheless delayed the inevitable defeats.

Having realised the drawback of the badminton shoes. I immediately doubled the shock protection with a second full size sbsorber. That configuration performed very well. However the double decker absorbers raised my toes such that they came into contact with the roofs of the shoes producing uncomfortable abrasions. So I had to come to a compromise by cutting away forward 1/3 of the lower deck to lower my toes. This configuration is currently under going tests.

[twobeer]

Doo6.. You definitvely need to have enough cushioning.. to not hurt your heel, achilles tendon, calf, knee, lower back etc.. But the way you describe it, and restorting to extremes, like using basketball or running shoes, is an indication that something is wrong if you need to have such an extreme amount of cushioning to play.

Have you tried going to an orthopedist to analyze your feet, and maybe do a special custom-made sole based on your feet.. This is very common among pros of basket, handball, indoor-bandy, badminton etc. to "correct" problems..

Or maybe you should try strenght/flexibility training to get stronger calves, legs, to help you counter the forces of the game-play, or simply shave of a few pounds of overall weight ?!?!

/Twobeer

[chickenpoodle]

don't even bother anymore.

yonex shoes are good enough for the majority of the global badminton population.
this global badminton population include skinny people, fat people, light people, heavy people. good players, bad players, pro players and n00b players.
so i don't think its a matter of shaving a few pounds or learning a bit of footwork anymore, since there are people without good footwork nor yonex shoes and i don't see them stomping around like a rhino.

[CoolDoo6]

this global badminton population include skinny people, fat people, light people, heavy people. good players, bad players, pro players and n00b players.

I don't understand why this global population doesn't include stompers. Stomping is a relative term. A player who plays 2 hours is a stomper compared to a player who plays 1 hour. The former's feet impacts the floor twice as often twice as long. This can roughly be translated as hitting the floor twice as hard in 1 time as long. Imagine someone who plays 5 hours. He would be effectively hitting the floor like a rhino in comparison.

The tech presented here are for information. This information can be used or discarded by people as they choose. Unlike the self-proclaimed experts who insist they know best, I don't claim my approach is best. What I do claim is an alternative. If this alternative is threatening, then so much better - this would be a sure indication of the alternative's viability, for no one would worry himself sick on an alternative that isn't viable.

[jug8man]

CD,

Just so we better understand your plight... are you playing badminton 'on your toes' or are you running 'flat footed' around the court. If it is the latter, then you'd definately need a lot of cushioning like you mentioned.

[Kelvin]

Thread is finished now.

We've seen the high tech cushioning technology presented.

It is ground breaking yes, but only because some are having delusions of grandeur; and likening themselves to wildlife. (stomping on the ground, and their feet crashing to the floor like a ton of bricks, with authority I might add)

If it works for him, that's great.
The high tech approach wont necessarily pan out for anyone else.

Let's just let the thread fade.
(Although the juxtaposed imagery was pretty funny.. :D:D:D Rhino)

[Gollum]

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-dave

Quite. This is how I think of these threads:

Cooldoo6 takes a crap, and we all roll around in it.

How edifying.

[jerby]

where to begin:
-occams razor...If you never heard of a term used...just googleling it makes you sound a lot smarter..but nevermind
- how is stomping related to how often you play? I figured it's just how well your knees/legs absorb the shock when you plant your feet down