How unlucky of Yang Wei/ Zhang Jiewen to be not included in the World Championship 2007 edition. Especially Zhang Jiewen she will not be playing both the Sudirman and World Championship. Imagine, Yang Wei/ Zhang Jiewen, world no. 3 as of the moment who is currently the reinging Olympic Champion, 2005 World Championship Gold Medalist, Numerous Series Title Holder, Asian Games Silver Medalist (they are only no.3 becoz they were split up by Yong Bo and doesn;t have chance to play on recent tournaments) was voted out by Yong Bo for Championship. I believe that any other countries would be lucky and extremly happy to have Yang Wei/ Zhang Jiewen to be there players in the Women Doubles Championship. What if this would make Yang Wei / Zhang Jiewen consider playing for other countries such as HK, Mys, or even in Europerian Countires? They are definetely are a super extremely threat for the Women Doubles Team for the CHN Team, especially they are only the Women Doubles Player as of the moment who have a better record than Gao Ling/ Huang Sui at 13/12. What for example they have move in HK to play, then the competion for UBER CUP would be open already, since HK Got Zhou Mi and Wang Chen already. An adder member of Zhang Jiewen/ Yang Wei would be already a huge class for HK team if this would happen. Or Zhang Jiewen may play for MYS Team since her BF is there. This would also be a big factor for the MYS team, since Zhang Jiewen is a top world class women doubles player. I think LYB should give them a chance more to play, since they have already make CHN Proud and outstanding in the Women Doubles Event. Even thou they were upset in the final in the ALL ENGLAND's Final by Zhang Yawen/ Wei Yili and Quarterfinal Event in the start of the series by the Japanese Pair, they were just merely beaten in the 3rd set by 2 pts. Li Yongbo should understand that no one is perfect, that everyone loses, given the time to play, i think they would bounce back and be a true class again. Zhang Jiewen is only 26 yrs. old. so i think she could play for 2 to 3 more years if she wants. That;s only my opinion. What u think folks?? :)

correction on the above. Zhang Jiewen will be playing with Gao Ling for the Sudirman Cup.

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How unlucky of Yang Wei/ Zhang Jiewen to be not included in the World Championship 2007 edition. Especially Zhang Jiewen she will not be playing both the Sudirman and World Championship. Imagine, Yang Wei/ Zhang Jiewen, world no. 3 as of the moment who is currently the reinging Olympic Champion, 2005 World Championship Gold Medalist, Numerous Series Title Holder, Asian Games Silver Medalist (they are only no.3 becoz they were split up by Yong Bo and doesn;t have chance to play on recent tournaments) was voted out by Yong Bo for Championship. I believe that any other countries would be lucky and extremly happy to have Yang Wei/ Zhang Jiewen to be there players in the Women Doubles Championship. What if this would make Yang Wei / Zhang Jiewen consider playing for other countries such as HK, Mys, or even in Europerian Countires? They are definetely are a super extremely threat for the Women Doubles Team for the CHN Team, especially they are only the Women Doubles Player as of the moment who have a better record than Gao Ling/ Huang Sui at 13/12. What for example they have move in HK to play, then the competion for UBER CUP would be open already, since HK Got Zhou Mi and Wang Chen already. An adder member of Zhang Jiewen/ Yang Wei would be already a huge class for HK team if this would happen. Or Zhang Jiewen may play for MYS Team since her BF is there. This would also be a big factor for the MYS team, since Zhang Jiewen is a top world class women doubles player. I think LYB should give them a chance more to play, since they have already make CHN Proud and outstanding in the Women Doubles Event. Even thou they were upset in the final in the ALL ENGLAND's Final by Zhang Yawen/ Wei Yili and Quarterfinal Event in the start of the series by the Japanese Pair, they were just merely beaten in the 3rd set by 2 pts. Li Yongbo should understand that no one is perfect, that everyone loses, given the time to play, i think they would bounce back and be a true class again. Zhang Jiewen is only 26 yrs. old. so i think she could play for 2 to 3 more years if she wants. That;s only my opinion. What u think folks?? :)



Play for INA lol...then we shall have a very good chance of winning the Sudirman cup

kidosetiawan, i think INA will probably get back the cup some time in the future.. the women players for INA are improving recently.. i think few more years they will be a threat to all the players worldwide... :D

I doubt it man...seriously....Womens championship has been nothing but formality for the last 10 years......Its amazing how anyone can still believe INA is still gonna be a threat for anything....after TH INA would just be no 10 in Badminton.......thats how I see it...there are nor promising youngsters.......only 2 titles in NZ open and 3 in Vietnam?? is hard to see INA challenging the Sudirman cup...next powerhouse my friend will be your country Malaysia then maybe Korea then China then back to MAS and so on while INA.......we are going to be even worse than HK if this continues

really, i tot is Zhang Yawen's name in the sudirman cap not Zhang Jiewen? which i have seen in the CHN team's squad in the Sudirman Cap Post Thread.

really, i tot is Zhang Yawen's name in the sudirman cap not Zhang Jiewen? which i have seen in the CHN team's squad in the Sudirman Cap Post Thread.

Both zhang yawen and zhang jiewen are in the team.Maybe zhang jiewen will play in the early round only

I think Yang/Zhang are not as strong as they were.In doubles it is normal that one pair will feel boring with their partner if they play for a long time.The decision of splitting them is a good decision.Maybe one day zhang jw will find her new good partner.
The other problem in china squad is they have too many good WD pairs.They have gao/huang,yang/zhao,wei/zhang,and du/yu and dont forget to put zhang dan(maybe zhang jw will play with Zhang dan if huang sui is back in the team).They also have some up coming pair such as cheng su/zhao yu lei and ma jin/wang xiao li.

I doubt it man...seriously....Womens championship has been nothing but formality for the last 10 years......Its amazing how anyone can still believe INA is still gonna be a threat for anything....after TH INA would just be no 10 in Badminton.......thats how I see it...there are nor promising youngsters.......only 2 titles in NZ open and 3 in Vietnam?? is hard to see INA challenging the Sudirman cup...next powerhouse my friend will be your country Malaysia then maybe Korea then China then back to MAS and so on while INA.......we are going to be even worse than HK if this continues
nah.... INA WONT!!!! cuz its impossible.. BADMINTON is in INA, CHN, and of cuz MAS's blood.... INA cant just fade away just like tat

I hope you are right...cos right now I am ashamed of our badminton....is not going well and nothing has been done about it

CHN had produced a lot of talented WD. So,they can rotate any pair at anytime adjusted by their goals. It's opportunity for Du Jing/Yu Yang to gain more ranking points from this BWF Level 1 tourney. Yang W/Zhang JW certainly understand about this consequency ordered by LYB,still next chance for them to shine especially Beijing Games/08.

Do you think LYB will give them a chance to be partner again? Yang Wei/ Zhang Jiewen? I think LYB should give them a chance. I think they deserve it. Besides, what's reigning Olympic Champion, and 2005 World Championsip Gold Medalist worth for? right? hehe

I hope you are right...cos right now I am ashamed of our badminton....is not going well and nothing has been done about it
Hi Kido...I do not share your pessimism regarding INA badminton future. INA has a strong and proud history in badminton, produced players in the like of Hartono, Hendrawan, Rexy, Ricky, Tjun Tjun, Susi (my favorite WS player of all time), etc and we can't even name all the superstars...sure this is a lean spell, get rid of PBSI, and with 200+ million population and badminton in the blood of its people, the next superstar will emerge...that we can count on INA....and you do not need to beg Rexy to "call home" like ET did, just leave Rexy in MAS, thank you very much!!! Hahaha!
MAS with <30 million people can produce many superstars of badminton, INA with 6+ times the population can sure do better. That I am very sure will happen. Just keep praying....:)

I don't think China put that much attention on WD about who partners with who, the result is the same in winning note. Korea use to be able to challenge in that department when Ra Yuming was still around ...

Zhang Jiewen / Yang Wei will play 2007 WC!

Their names on WC FINAL LIST OF PLAYERS .

http://www.internationalbadminton.org/images/WCH07%20Qualifiers%20Third%20Phase%20Confirmation% 20230707%201930.xls

Great, CTF will be very happy ........

Seawell thats good news indeed...

too bad they weren't paired earlier again, I was really hoping to see them here in the recently concluded Philippine Open. Oh well at least i get to shake hands with Yang Wei and have her picture.

I hope they win. And Gao and Huang silver.. although i love the pairs equally... i think Zhang Jiewen needs to prove herself more right now. Hey maybe Zhang and Yang for wc..then Gao and Huang for Olympics...

dont care much for Du and Yu... saw them play at the China open on tv... a little too cocky for my taste, good thing Lilyana and Vita showed them who's the boss. hehe

This is a very very very good news =)

I've told you guys many times, that's all politics.

Zhang Jiewen will NOT play this WC because she's not given the chance.

Li YB and coaches had made decision to dump Zhang Jiewen for Zhao TT and Yu Yang/Du Jin. Zhang Jiewen is one of the most gifted talents in women's doubles history. But that's not enough to give her a chance to play professional badminton anymore.

China is a communism county, that is the country under strict dictatorship. Under that system, only a small portion of human potentials have been deployed. If China were like Denmark, there would be no space left for guys like Taufik, Lee CW or Peter Gade.

You might think the national players in China are the best players in China. In fact, it's not that true. First, those players got to have relationships and supports from coaches and other managers. Only good in playing is not good enough. Many national championship cannot join the national team while many national team members never get any decent results. Zhao TT is a long time example. Yu/Du lost to many local players many times too. Plus Zhang Ning, those are coaches personal related players.

By the way, Yang Wei had said it public that she got surprised when ZJW replaced. She said ZJW's her best friend, and she's more confident and comfortable playing with ZJW. By the way YW and ZJW are from the same club.

By the way, Yang Wei /Zhang Jiewen have won many national champions also. They were unstoppable in China after Ge/Gu. Gao Ling and Huang Sui have never come even close inside China. Zhang Jiewen is younger than Yang Wei and she's also a very decent mixed double player.

When players realize that they cannot play for the national team, then their careers are finished, and their levels of playing will be plummeting because of lack of training.

Of course, the systems in Indonesia, or Malaysia are not much better either. In fact, I should say, Malaysia system is a little bit better.

Uhm mr 2cents..so the IBF posting is not true.. that china has reconfirmed the joining of Yang and Zhang for the world championships? It said yes there.. the last time ic hecked..which was a few minutes ago.

I suppose we can't trust the list, even the absent Thai players are shown as accepting the invitation to compete .....

Sorry CTF & ZJW, might as well retire and get married quick ......

I suppose we can't trust the list, even the absent Thai players are shown as accepting the invitation to compete .....

Sorry CTF & ZJW, might as well retire and get married quick ......


I think they took out Thais already in the list...

The Thais aren't on the list. I think we can trust the list as being a confirmation as in all the previous qualifying postings, yw/zjw were listed as not accepting but were always qualified due to their ranking. Since DJ/YY broke into the top 5 as the 3rd phase ended, China was able to send ZJW/YW as the fourth team.

If China were like Denmark, there would be no space left for guys like Taufik, Lee CW or Peter Gade.
I'm sorry. I don't quite get what u're trying to say with this statement.:confused:

I don't quite get what u're trying to say with this statement.:confused:

ya.. me,either :rolleyes:
2cents talked nonsense and meaningless :p

ZHANG Jiewen/YANG Wei will take part in World Championships 2007 for World WD Champion.

I dont think Yang wei/Zhang JW will play.It says on the list Yang/Zhang as china 1 and Gao/Huang as China 1 too.
I think China will send Gao/Huang,Wei/Zhang YW,Du/Yu and Yang/Zhao

I dont think Yang wei/Zhang JW will play.It says on the list Yang/Zhang as china 1 and Gao/Huang as China 1 too.
I think China will send Gao/Huang,Wei/Zhang YW,Du/Yu and Yang/Zhao

The reason they are both listed as China 1 is cause Gao/Huang were accepted before Yang/Zhang and at the time they were the highest ranked China pair in the qualifying phase. If you look at the XD entries, you'll see that Zheng Bo/Gao L are still ranked number 11 and also in WD Yang/Zhang are still number 1, Gao/Huang 2 etc. The list is just a little screwy.

But yeah, CHN is able to send 4 pairs in WD now because DJ/YY entered the top 8 in time.

Its either we ask someone who knows inside info on team China so we could finally know if the Zhang Jiewen and Yang Wei tandem is back or all we have to do is wait ( and pray....)

World championships is just around the corner..lets see what LYB has in store for the fate of ZJ and YW.

I'm sorry. I don't quite get what u're trying to say with this statement.:confused:
ya.. me,either :rolleyes:
2cents talked nonsense and meaningless :p

What I said was that if China had allowed everyone free to play international open tournaments, like US, Spain in tennis, then China would take 90% of the top 20 positions in ranking.

Since you guys cannot get it, if I did not say it clearly, I can rephrase it, if you don't want to understand at all, I cannot help.

That may be true, however that may be just an assumption as well. I'm sure we'd see a few more players that never made it, but I'm also sure that there is a place for talents like Taufik, Peter, LCW that nobody can replace. Heck even Lin Dan has trouble with them from time to time, you're telling me that people who never proved themselves more worthy than Lin Dan, BCL, CH, CY, CJ will take their spots? I doubt it.

World championships is just around the corner..lets see what LYB has in store for the fate of ZJ and YW.

LYB definitely doesn't want to have ZJW in the game. LYB had already kicked ZJW out, but since YW/ZTT cannot deliver the expected results, then the general administration bureau for China Sports denied ZJW's resignation. It's the general administration bureau (LYB's boss' boss' boss) who interfered the incidents now. ZJW's provincial team also complained a lot.

LYB definitely doesn't want to have ZJW in the game. LYB had already kicked ZJW out, but since YW/ZTT cannot deliver the expected results, then the general administration bureau for China Sports denied ZJW's resignation. It's the general administration bureau (LYB's boss' boss' boss) who interfered the incidents now. ZJW's provincial team also complained a lot.

So much politics!! not in china only , but Malaysia and Indonesia too...even I heard that Den has similar problem... ....I can not imagine if Badminton is like tennis...I know Peng Shuai ( tennis player) has similar problem, since she is Pro and her province can back her up...China still takes her to national team.....otherwise they kick her out already...

That may be true, however that may be just an assumption as well. I'm sure we'd see a few more players that never made it, but I'm also sure that there is a place for talents like Taufik, Peter, LCW that nobody can replace. Heck even Lin Dan has trouble with them from time to time, you're telling me that people who never proved themselves more worthy than Lin Dan, BCL, CH, CY, CJ will take their spots? I doubt it.

Market is a monster, nobody can predict. If the whole badminton business were driven by money and market, there would be definitely a different scenario. Not only in China, the same applies to Indonesia, I knew Taufik lost to local Indonesians many times too.

I cannot say anyone better than Lin Dan, but if hundreds of players given the chance to play, then all those players, including Lin Dan, Taufik, could be difficult to find in the larger scaled battlefield.

In early 90s, USA usually took 15 in the top 20 positions, then Spain also once dominated in top 10. Same thing could not be found in badminton, because there are only 4 to 5 guys can be seen from the same nation regularly in the tournaments.

The point here is that many talents got wasted by the age of 20 to 22 in China. Once they cannot join the national team, they gave up, so you cannot find decent players in China older than 22 except the national team members.

Market is a monster, nobody can predict. If the whole badminton business were driven by money and market, there would be definitely a different scenario. Not only in China, the same applies to Indonesia, I knew Taufik lost to local Indonesians many times too.

I cannot say anyone better than Lin Dan, but if hundreds of players given to chance, all those players, including Lin Dan, Taufik, could be difficult to find in the larger scaled battlefield.

In early 90s, USA usually took 15 in the top 20 positions, then Spain also once dominated in top 10. Same thing could not be found in badminton, because there are only 4 to 5 guys can regularly in the tournaments.

The point here is that many talents got wasted by the age of 20 to 22. Once he cannot join the national team, they gave up, so you cannot find decent players in China older than 22 except the national team members.


Thats why " LUCK" plays a big part in our life...right time at right place at right connection...sound like movie industries...

Market is a monster, nobody can predict. If the whole badminton business were driven by money and market, there would be definitely a different scenario. Not only in China, the same applies to Indonesia, I knew Taufik lost to local Indonesians many times too.

I cannot say anyone better than Lin Dan, but if hundreds of players given the chance to play, then all those players, including Lin Dan, Taufik, could be difficult to find in the larger scaled battlefield.

In early 90s, USA usually took 15 in the top 20 positions, then Spain also once dominated in top 10. Same thing could not be found in badminton, because there are only 4 to 5 guys can be seen from the same nation regularly in the tournaments.

The point here is that many talents got wasted by the age of 20 to 22 in China. Once they cannot join the national team, they gave up, so you cannot find decent players in China older than 22 except the national team members.
It is too bad for a badminton talent in China. While you can see many countries start sending their Juniors athletes to participate in Satelite Opens or even SS. CHN just keeps their talents stay at home and they have to wait for any players from national team retired or being kick out of national team only they will got the chance to join for the big games .

Thats why " LUCK" plays a big part in our life...right time at right place at right connection...sound like movie industries...

exactly, for Chinese players, the real competition is in teenagers. Of course, the player has to be good, but only good enough, then relationship with the decision makers is equally important. Once got in the national team, like Zhao Tingting, as long as you can maintain the good relationship with the decision makers, then there is no worries any more. As a Chinese players, can always won some matches here and there. Think about Bao CL and Chen Yu, Zhao Tingting, and even everyone. All the people got kicked out because of the interpersonal problems.

Take a look at women's side, Xu HW was never taken into consideration in the national team in China. But now she's been world number 1 and world number 2 for quite a time. Think about she wasted many years in transition to other country's citizen, if those hundreds of Xu HW kind of in China, wasted no time, and join the world badminton competition, then it is really difficult to find who's the best non-Chinese player. I don't want to say there is none decent players outside China, but the problems is that there are hundreds equally good players out there from China like Xu HW.

So if everyone is free to play tournaments (including financially free), then it is really difficult for Taufik to win open tournament. Anyway, Taufik didn't win much tournaments even now. But in Olympics, Taufik still has a bigger chance, because of the quotas. Olympic is not the place to treat everyone equally, not it tries to treat every nation equally.

One head coach of China admitted in public that when he cannot tell which player has the better potential, he just chooses the one from his province. It's a common practice because even the coaches personal benefits and future career are associated his/her local province. Once the coach retired or got fired from national team, he/she has to go back to his/her province to get a job.

Every body has to take care of his own interest. That's basic instinct. But unfortunately many die-hard patriots here could not understand.

It is too bad for a badminton talent in China. While you can see many countries start sending their Juniors athletes to participate in Satelite Opens or even SS. CHN just keeps their talents stay at home and they have to wait for any players from national team retired or being kick out of national team only they will got the chance to join for the big games .

You got it:):):)

If you want to join the China team, you got to kick a current one out. No matter even you are the best badminton player in the world and in the history. There is no place for you except you have the managers kick another one out.

In fact, many talents never got any chance to play international tournaments simply because no relationship to the top. Many national champions never play outside China, that's a known fact.

I'm so sorry for ZJW & those talented players who have no chance to show their talent in international stage at all.

Hafiz & Roslin, r u learning now, u guys r so lucky but never appreciate!

so what's the conclusion? ZJW will play or not?

ZJW will join the World Championship

that's great news indeed!

however, Yang Wei + Gao Ling would be the best pair ever, their power is equal to Zhang Jun + Gao Ling :)

that's great news indeed!

however, Yang Wei + Gao Ling would be the best pair ever, their power is equal to Zhang Jun + Gao Ling :)

Gao Ling is an incredible lady:)

Hope Zhang Jiewen make the best of this chance at WC to re-establish herself. All the best to her.

Hope Zhang Jiewen make the best of this chance at WC to re-establish herself. All the best to her.

She wanted to retire after the China Masters.
Luckily she is back!

haha finally ZJW is coming back
seriously, i think ZJW is much better than ZTT and ZJW and YW play much better together as well :)
there is a chance seeing them winng the WC 07

Yang Wei/Gao Ling once paired together, then they were switched so that Yang Wei can guide ZJW and Gao Ling can be mentor to HS. Common CHN practice since Lin Ying/Wu Dixi time.

But I haven't seen them do it for the men's squad ......