2007 Sudirman Cup - Day 1 - Monday

[kwun]

haha yea, but i've never played with her. i've only seen her play. just to clear some misunderstandings. kwun, do you live near OCBC? you're not by any chance a junior are you?

no. OCBC is in S. Cal. i live in Santa Clara, in N. Cal.

i am very far away from being a junior. ;)

[Jonno]

OK, someone who knows, explain this to me.

If THA beats ENG 3-2 and MAS beats THA 3-2 (bearing in mind ENG beat MAS 3-2 today), what is the tiebreak format to decide the semi finalist?

Goes down to games won, then points I think

At the moment its 6-6 between Eng and Mas on games, with Mas ahead by 4 points: http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/draw.aspx?id=15280&draw=47

[madbad]

INA can still reach the semi-final but they have to beat DEN tomorrow.

And I think they still have a realistic shot.

MS DEN or INA
MD INA
WS DEN
WD INA
XD (with Nova out only) INA or DEN

If the MS and XD is split then INA win 3-2. DEN today displayed some glaring weaknesses and I'm sure they too want to patch these up.

[hcpoirot]

Denmark - Ina :

XD: Before today game, I say Ina win. After today, only 50:50 even with Flandi/Vita.

MS: Again 50:50

WS: 52:48 for Tine

MD: Ina pair had 54:46

WD: 50:50. Denmark will probably play Kamilla both in XD and WD.

All in all very tight games tomorrow.

[nwy5633]

can i knw the MS,MD,XD,WS & WD result of MAS & IND match?

[jason_tiger]

madbad, if that happens, it will then depend on the results for all these 3 teams play against china, assuming England, Thailand and Malaysia defeat by china by the same margin (saying 0-5), then the runner up of the group will be decided by For (number of winning sets) minus Against (number of losing sets). I think Malaysia will put up their strongest formation and to try to beat China, this may not be the case if they beat England tonight....this event turns out to be a very exciting event!!

[badMania]

INA beat DEN 3-2 (XD, MD, WD)
INA beat HKG 4-1 (XD, MS, MD, WD)

If DEN beat KOR 3-2 (MS, WS, MD), things are tricky. Since all 3 teams lose at least once.

Otherwise, INA should progress to semi-final at the expense of DEN.

[ctjcad]

Goodnight everyone!!!
...Misty100, loyal M'sia and BC member who stayed up basically the whole night!!..;):):cool:

[madbad]

While INA has a realistic chance of reaching the semis, MAS now has to rely on help from THA to beat ENG, and then, MAS themselves have to beat the Thais. They only have themselves to blame if they crash out

[hcpoirot]

And I think they still have a realistic shot.

MS DEN or INA
MD INA
WS DEN
WD INA
XD (with Nova out only) INA or DEN

If the MS and XD is split then INA win 3-2. DEN today displayed some glaring weaknesses and I'm sure they too want to patch these up.

Denmark weakness is only from MD today. WD is not their strongest pair. Denmark will play Kamilla/Lena.

[badMania]

Goes down to games won, then points I think

At the moment its 6-6 between Eng and Mas on games, with Mas ahead by 4 points: http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/draw.aspx?id=15280&draw=47

INA is still ahead of KOR in terms of points...amazing.....

[jason_tiger]

Friday last group matches - Thailand vs England and M'sia vs China will be very exciting!!

[madbad]

madbad, if that happens, it will then depend on the results for all these 3 teams play against china, assuming England, Thailand and Malaysia defeat by china by the same margin (saying 0-5), then the runner up of the group will be decided by For (number of winning sets) minus Against (number of losing sets). I think Malaysia will put up their strongest formation and to try to beat China, this may not be the case if they beat England tonight....this event turns out to be a very exciting event!!

Would be very bizarre if it came down to that, and still have all 3 teams tied in game differential (say W 5, L 10) and you had to resort to counting points!

Yes, you are right, MAS now has to go all out against CHN and pray for a miracle.:D

[hcpoirot]

madbad, if that happens, it will then depend on the results for all these 3 teams play against china, assuming England, Thailand and Malaysia defeat by china by the same margin (saying 0-5), then the runner up of the group will be decided by For (number of winning sets) minus Against (number of losing sets). I think Malaysia will put up their strongest formation and to try to beat China, this may not be the case if they beat England tonight....this event turns out to be a very exciting event!!

Jason, tonight line up is already their strongest line up. The most they can change is XD, WCH ppair with WPT or KKK/WPT.

But with that line up both KKK and WPT had to play twice every day in a very tight and tiring match.

[madbad]

INA is still ahead of KOR in terms of points...amazing.....

And funnily enough, MAS still ahead of ENG in points

[nwy5633]

now i muz pray very hard for Thailand to beat England & Malaysia to beat Thailand 4-1 ATLEAST!
haiz...

[jason_tiger]

I think KKK/WPT will give a much better chance than the newly formed mixed pair. They all are professional players, playing 2 matches in a day by having at least 1-2 hours break in between should not be too much problem.

[Juicetalk]

..still weren't able to redeem themselves against their CAN counterparts, losing in 3 very tough fought sets..oh well!!:p..but their other teammates did their jobs..:cool:
MS player Eric Go is the key to make USA team win Canada. He brought the best chance for USA to win. And the lineup was very smart too.

[Juicetalk]

Who's Zhou Lili? a player from China? She won 2 matches which are critical. Without her, USA could lose 2:3
USA still has chance to win, XD, MS and WD without Lily Zhou. Of cause, Lily can bring in some secure wins.

[ctjcad]

Denmark - Ina :

XD: Before today game, I say Ina win. After today, only 50:50 even with Flandi/Vita.

MS: Again 50:50

WS: 52:48 for Tine

MD: Ina pair had 54:46

WD: 50:50. Denmark will probably play Kamilla both in XD and WD.

All in all very tight games tomorrow.

INA beat DEN 3-2 (XD, MD, WD)
INA beat HKG 4-1 (XD, MS, MD, WD)

If DEN beat KOR 3-2 (MS, WS, MD), things are tricky. Since all 3 teams lose at least once.

Otherwise, INA should progress to semi-final at the expense of DEN.
(as i mentioned earlier), it's the "Group of death"..:p
..Well, for tomorrow's match, after seeing their score today, i certainly wouldn't put a 3-2 advantage for INA..Most of the people would've predicted an INA win over KOR...And Taufik could very well lose tomorrow against Gade(as i recall, Taufik never had any particularly easy time playing against European players in Europe)...Tomorrow is nervous time for Taufik and company!!!..Imagine the nervousness that will be on the younger INA players..:p:o:eek:;)..
It should be interesting to see what tomorrow's lineup will be for the INA's vs. DEN's squads..:cool:

[kwun]

to summarize today's results...

it is important to have a strong and BALANCED team in order to win in the Sudirman Cup.

Malaysia lost to England. MAS is strong in the men's side, but relatively weaker on the lady's side. as soon as the MD loses, then the match is not longer in favor of MAS and then the chance will be even.

Indonesia lost to Korea. Korea is stronger in both MS, MD and XD. but similarly, the moment they loses XD, the tie become even chances.

i love how both the ties comes out though. the winner wasn't apparent until the very last WD doubles match. very exciting and jaw biting indeed especially for the MAS/ENG match.

[Wai Shing]

to summarize today's results...

it is important to have a strong and BALANCED team in order to win in the Sudirman Cup.

Malaysia lost to England. MAS is strong in the men's side, but relatively weaker on the lady's side. as soon as the MD loses, then the match is not longer in favor of MAS and then the chance will be even.

Indonesia lost to Korea. Korea is stronger in both MS, MD and XD. but similarly, the moment they loses XD, the tie become even chances.

i love how both the ties comes out though. the winner wasn't apparent until the very last WD doubles match. very exciting and jaw biting indeed especially for the MAS/ENG match.

I tihnk you meant Indonesia is stronger in MS, MD and XD right?

[kwun]

I tihnk you meant Indonesia is stronger in MS, MD and XD right?

yes. that's right. INA is stronger in XD, MS and MD.

[2cents]

to summarize today's results...

it is important to have a strong and BALANCED team in order to win in the Sudirman Cup.

Malaysia lost to England. MAS is strong in the men's side, but relatively weaker on the lady's side. as soon as the MD loses, then the match is not longer in favor of MAS and then the chance will be even.

Indonesia lost to Korea. Korea is stronger in both MS, MD and XD. but similarly, the moment they loses XD, the tie become even chances.

i love how both the ties comes out though. the winner wasn't apparent until the very last WD doubles match. very exciting and jaw biting indeed especially for the MAS/ENG match.

My observations:

Malaysia is stronger in singles and England is stronger in doubles, since XD is a double event, so Malaysia lost finally. (Mas: mS, wS; Eng: mD, wD, xD)

Indonesia is stronger in men's while Korea is stronger in ladies. Since Korea won the XD, so Korea defeated Indonesia. (Ina: Ms, Md; Kor: Ws, Wd, Xd)

Hong Kong are stronger in same gender pairs and Danes are better in single gender events. Since there is only one player for each gender in XD, so Denmark won. (HK: mD, wD; Den: mS, wS, Xd)

China are stronger in all events, since XD is just one event in all event, so China won.

Conclusion, no matter what area you are stronger, if you are stronger in XD, you got to won. XD is the key!

[ixory]

Oh...no..MAS Lost 2-3 to England...Nooo..:crying::crying::crying:...am i dreaming???,Now MAS really in 'BIG TROUBLE'.....:crying::crying:..and wat happened to KKK/TBH??,are they already lost their magic???Seem everyone start to kick our MD now....:crying::crying:...better pray hard now for next match...

[saugusli]

Oh u mean. malaysia depand to Rexy.. Without rexy malaysia player not confident right..hhaa


Rexy is not in Scotland I think. Or else why are they both not performing!!!

[saugusli]

Yes. Very Surprised..Malaysia lost to England. Indonesia also lost to Korea.

So now semifinal prediction:
China, England
Korea, Denmark/INA.


Oh...no..MAS Lost 2-3 to England...Nooo..:crying::crying::crying:...am i dreaming???,Now MAS really in 'BIG TROUBLE'.....:crying::crying:..and wat happened to KKK/TBH??,are they already lost their magic???Seem everyone start to kick our MD now....:crying::crying:...better pray hard now for next match...

[saugusli]

Hi Indra,

You are over confident. This is not good for INA. OK... Don't do that next time. I also want ina win..OK.


Taufik vs PSH = 1 - 0
Markis / Hendra vs Kor MD = 2-0
Nova / Natsir vs Kor MXD = 3-0

[saugusli]

Group B is heavy group.

I hope: Ina can beat Denmark and Ina can beat Hongkong.

and Korea can beat Hongkong and korea lost Denmark

So Korea, Denmark and INA got the same 2 times win..


My observations:

Malaysia is stronger in singles and England is stronger in doubles, since XD is a double event, so Malaysia lost finally. (Mas: mS, wS; Eng: mD, wD, xD)

Indonesia is stronger in men's while Korea is stronger in ladies. Since Korea won the XD, so Korea defeated Indonesia. (Ina: Ms, Md; Kor: Ws, Wd, Xd)

Hong Kong are stronger in same gender pairs and Danes are better in single gender events. Since there is only one player for each gender in XD, so Denmark won. (HK: mD, wD; Den: mS, wS, Xd)

China are stronger in all events, since XD is just one event in all event, so China won.

Conclusion, no matter what area you are stronger, if you are stronger in XD, you got to won. XD is the key!

[shyeling]

Oh...no..MAS Lost 2-3 to England...Nooo..:crying::crying::crying:...am i dreaming???,Now MAS really in 'BIG TROUBLE'.....:crying::crying:..and wat happened to KKK/TBH??,are they already lost their magic???Seem everyone start to kick our MD now....:crying::crying:...better pray hard now for next match...

:crying::crying::crying::crying::crying: sad to c m'sia lost.. may b they r over confident..

not only need to pray hard for the next match, but oso pray hard so that england lost to thailand or mayb pray more harder so that china lost to malaysia..

if only thailand beat england, or m'sia beat china (but it seems like not possible la), then only m'sia will have a chance to get into semis...

[Loh]

With no backup to KKK/TBH, it's really a very risky strategy now...

Maybe MAS veteran pair of LWW/CTF stand a better chance against ENG. Wonder what was their 'head-to-head' score in the past?

[scminton]

Ina over Korea 3-0
But it true score...^^ Korea won!!

[hcyong]

My observations:

Malaysia is stronger in singles and England is stronger in doubles, since XD is a double event, so Malaysia lost finally. (Mas: mS, wS; Eng: mD, wD, xD)

Indonesia is stronger in men's while Korea is stronger in ladies. Since Korea won the XD, so Korea defeated Indonesia. (Ina: Ms, Md; Kor: Ws, Wd, Xd)

Hong Kong are stronger in same gender pairs and Danes are better in single gender events. Since there is only one player for each gender in XD, so Denmark won. (HK: mD, wD; Den: mS, wS, Xd)

China are stronger in all events, since XD is just one event in all event, so China won.

Conclusion, no matter what area you are stronger, if you are stronger in XD, you got to won. XD is the key!

That's true. For every Div 1 tie, the one common denominator for the winner is that they won the XD.

Malaysia used to struggle because they can only get the MS and MD points. But now, even when the women's department managed to snatch a point, KKK/TBH became the big letdown. Such was Malaysia's progress in the women's events, that even the WD loss was considered a minor upset.

Denmark's MD pair was also a letdown. This point could cost them if it came down to the matches-won-lost tie-breaker.

The biggest upset of all had to be Indonesia's loss of the XD match, which eventually cost them the tie.

[Viper2005]

The Keys should be Howard, Eva and Lili.
All three have to play 200% to win 2 points each.
Howard/Eva one point, Lili/Eva one point, Lili (Single) one point.
Howard/Bob 50/50, but that was an amazing 25-27 loss to canada.


MS player Eric Go is the key to make USA team win Canada. He brought the best chance for USA to win. And the lineup was very smart too.

[indra]

Hi Indra,

You are over confident. This is not good for INA. OK... Don't do that next time. I also want ina win..OK.


Ina vs Denmark:

TH vs Peter = 1-0
Kido/Hendra vs Erisksen/ = 2 -0
Flandy / Vita vs Den MD = 3 - 0
Maria Kristin vs WS Den = 4 - 0
Vita / Poly vs WD = 5 - 0


Finally Ina will top the group.

[ahsen]

:crying::crying::crying::crying::crying: sad to c m'sia lost.. may b they r over confident..

not only need to pray hard for the next match, but oso pray hard so that england lost to thailand or mayb pray more harder so that china lost to malaysia..

if only thailand beat england, or m'sia beat china (but it seems like not possible la), then only m'sia will have a chance to get into semis...


neway, wats the chances of thais beating england????:confused::confused: i only know boonsak can win a point, n the thais XD not bad as well... how bout their WS, MD n WD???:confused::confused: Neway, hopefully MAS can win over thais today...:)

[pramilainc]

I really doubt DEN will field JE/MLH in back-to-back matches, especially after yday's performance. They'll field LP/JR is they are in the squad, still i think MK/HS will prevail..

As for MS, XD I think DEN are slight favourites.. and outright favourites for WS.

Then again, logic and common sense wouldn't really affect your predictions involving INA :)


Ina vs Denmark:

TH vs Peter = 1-0
Kido/Hendra vs Erisksen/ = 2 -0
Flandy / Vita vs Den MD = 3 - 0
Maria Kristin vs WS Den = 4 - 0
Vita / Poly vs WD = 5 - 0


Finally Ina will top the group.

[Shifty]

Ina vs Denmark:

TH vs Peter = 1-0
Kido/Hendra vs Erisksen/ = 2 -0
Flandy / Vita vs Den MD = 3 - 0
Maria Kristin vs WS Den = 4 - 0
Vita / Poly vs WD = 5 - 0


Finally Ina will top the group.

keep dreaming. i really doubt INA will beat Denmark that easy, especially as they LOST to Korea

[tommy_bun]

Now polly can take a lesson for her losing,Never underestimate ur enemies

[Han]

Ina vs Denmark:

TH vs Peter = 1-0
Kido/Hendra vs Erisksen/ = 2 -0
Flandy / Vita vs Den MD = 3 - 0
Maria Kristin vs WS Den = 4 - 0
Vita / Poly vs WD = 5 - 0


Finally Ina will top the group.

Yes, just like Malaysia will beat China 5-0 :D

[madbad]

You guys are all suckers :D:D
Indra just loves winding you up. He means no harm though:)

[sweetluv]

god... malaysia lost to england and that's really disappointing to all malaysian supporters... come on and jia you.. quite shock as i know the england team is not weak but never thought malaysia is losing point though the men's double!:eek: keep fighting the malaysian tigers....:p

[shyeling]

b4 dis, many ppl said that kkk's talent gone together wif his hair..
dis may b true, i dunno..

but wat i think now is he should cut his hair another time to get off his bad luck.. hehe:D:D

[Hitman71]

b4 dis, many ppl said that kkk's talent gone together wif his hair..
dis may b true, i dunno..

but wat i think now is he should cut his hair another time to get off his bad luck.. hehe:D:D


Well he promised to go bald but instead he went for a crew cut, so now he is jinx ... joking arr

[event]

That korean girl is called Lee Yun Hwa ;)Were you there when she won in Montreal in 2005?

[llpjlau]

Yes, just like Malaysia will beat China 5-0 :D

totally different. nobody can beat china 5-0.
indonesia beating denmark 5-0 is unlikely but possible.
indonesia beating denmark 3-2 is likely and possible.
denmark beating indonesia 3-2 is likely and possible.
denmark beating indonesia 5-0 is unlikely but possible.

but i go for denmark 3 - 2 indonesia

[dingding]

Although people think that Malaysia will lose to China, but as a Malaysian, I still do believe that we may win over them. 10% of hope for miracles to happen.:p But whatever it is, Malaysian players, don't give up. Just play your best and be yourself! Win or not, that is not a big matter. To fight hard and potray your Malaysia Boleh spirit is more important. As for Kien Kiat-Boon Heong, lets give them a break. Don't just bash them for a loss in a game. They might be the cause of Malaysia's lost to England.But put yourselves in their shoes and feel the pressure that they are facing. All their loss in the past might be a reason why they have low confidence while playing. It might have haunt them. And the time is not enough to build their confidence. The route to the top might not be easy. But to stay on the top is even harder. So kien kiat-boon heong, jia you! Have confidence and be optimistic in your upcoming tournaments.As fans, I pray for u guys to gain confidence back and achieve outstanding success! Jia you! I am your "tou hau" fans! :D

sorry ya if its too long.... :p

[khloe]

b4 dis, many ppl said that kkk's talent gone together wif his hair..
dis may b true, i dunno..

but wat i think now is he should cut his hair another time to get off his bad luck.. hehe:D:D
i want to know what is happening on KKK & TBH. After they won the all england super series and swiss super series,their result is drop.:crying: It may becoz of KKK's lucky gone together with his hair. I believe it.
I also shock when i knew malaysia was lost to england.:eek:
Anyway, i hope they will back up.
gambateh!:)

[chin511]

As Malaysian, i dont know i should scold them o not..i am really shock when i read the news on early morning when i wake up....dont know what happend to them, they are must stronger than the England's pair!!
Well done to malaysia women double!!even u lost but u give them a good fight...

Anyway.. i hope the miracle will happpend 2mr..thailand won england with 3-2 or malaysia won china in 3-2..haha
give them a good fight!1this is our chance!

[dingding]

[quote=chin511;593693]As Malaysian, i dont know i should scold them o not..

haha... I guess the blame for the lost to England should be on the men doubles, kien kiat-boon heong ya.. But I think we should give them a break. Its not easy to be in the top form again after a series of defeat. Chong Wei took almost a year to bounce back. So, I think we just pray and support them... Cause support is what they need. :p haha... we are in Malaysia, they are in Scotland.. if scold them also, they won't know it...:D