2007 Sudirman Cup – Day 2 - Tuesday

[badMania]

Again, not very convincing...but the INA pair leads 11-7 at the interval of the second set :cool:

[huangkwokhau]

injected with methamine :D

with Estacy...so Eng players can chase all shuttles nonstop!!!!:D:D:D..may be only way to steal a set or two from china.

[taufik-ist]

with Estacy...so Eng players can chase all shuttles nonstop!!!!:D:D:D..may be only way to steal a set or two from china.

without loudly music.. ectacy won't work perfectly.. :D

[taufik-ist]

vita/greysa is about to win

[huangkwokhau]

Look at Turkish MD player's name....Ali Kaya...so funny....they may have Ali Miskin or Ali Bo Lui ( no money in chiu chow)

[taufik-ist]

mmmmmm... ina win 3:1

[huangkwokhau]

good...3-1 for INA...INA must win straight sets also in XD

[badMania]

Gitu donk....INA wins the tie 3-1 as Greysia Polii/Vita Marissa beat Lena Frier-Kristensen/Helle Nielsen 22-20, 21-10.

How many are still staying for the dead rubber?

[taufik-ist]

Look at Turkish MD player's name....Ali Kaya...so funny....they may have Ali Miskin or Ali Bo Lui ( no money in chiu chow)

i hope not 'ali kaya monyet' :)

[tommy_bun]

i hope not 'ali kaya monyet' :)
Taufik,you have a good sense of humour,salut dech bt kmu

[huangkwokhau]

Gitu donk....INA wins the tie 3-1 as Greysia Polii/Vita Marissa beat Lena Frier-Kristensen/Helle Nielsen 22-20, 21-10.

How many are still staying for the dead rubber?

INA has to win 4-1 if they want to top the group providing if Den beat kor 3-2 and INA beat HKG 5-0 ( which I think it is tough...YPY is good ) If Den beat Kor 4-1 then INA may top the group..we hope....

[huangkwokhau]

i hope not 'ali kaya monyet' :)


Haha...:D you are really bad...

[huangkwokhau]

Where all MAS fans?? dissapear?? my meeting is delayed till 10.30 am ...good I can still follow last match...

[badMania]

Nova Widianto/Lilyana Natsir lead 11-5 at the interval of the first set.

[Chu Liuxiang]

I think China may trashed England 5-0 today.

[nugroho]

hehehe... good for u... hey.. let's talk about denmark vs korea...
in order INA to top up their group they will need another at least 4-1 wins against HKG plus DEN wins at least 3-2 against KOR....

but unfortunetly i dont see any possible line-up for DEN to defeat KOR ... even though they might steal MD and MS, i dont see any other point could be produce to beat KOR

[huangkwokhau]

Nova Widianto/Lilyana Natsir lead 11-5 at the interval of the first set.

now 13-10....INA needs more points incase Korea and INA have same number of sets to decide who will be top of group.....so far Korea beat HKG with big margin...

[saugusli]

Hope ina xD win also.. so INA beat Denmark 4:1... and INA safety to go to semifinal if Beat Hongkong 4:1...

and hope Korea lost to Denmark...


Nova Widianto/Lilyana Natsir lead 11-5 at the interval of the first set.

[huangkwokhau]

hehehe... good for u... hey.. let's talk about denmark vs korea...
in order INA to top up their group they will need another at least 4-1 wins against HKG plus DEN wins at least 3-2 against KOR....

but unfortunetly i dont see any possible line-up for DEN to defeat KOR ... even though they might steal MD and MS, i dont see any other point could be produce to beat KOR


WS of Den....she beat YPY and Maria......it is possible...also XD of DEN is not bad as well....

[huangkwokhau]

XD INA vs DEN...still tight....come Nova/butet

[Sandy]

hehehe... good for u... hey.. let's talk about denmark vs korea...
in order INA to top up their group they will need another at least 4-1 wins against HKG plus DEN wins at least 3-2 against KOR....

but unfortunetly i dont see any possible line-up for DEN to defeat KOR ... even though they might steal MD and MS, i dont see any other point could be produce to beat KOR

DEN can take points from MS, WS and MD

[nugroho]

got it.. so it's possible to denmark to defeat korea. when did Tine beat YPY? Den MX is not bad but could they beat KOR? we''ll see about it tomorrow

[badMania]

Phew...heart attack man....Nova Widianto/Lilyana Natsir take the first set 21-19...again...very very close :cool:

[huangkwokhau]

so tight at 1st set....come on...INA.....

[badMania]

The Danes lead 11-8 at the interval of the second set :cool:
At this rate, a rubber set will be inevitable :mad:

[badMania]

INA wins 4-1...a good result overall.
Nova Widianto/Lilyana Natsir beat Thomas Laybourn/Kamilla Rytter-Juhl 21-19, 21-17.

[DoublesPlayer]

Wow, what a come back INA after yesterday's loss.

[huangkwokhau]

INA needs 4-1 in order to advance to semi now they need to focus to beat HKG , at least 4-1 to secure semifinal....lets hope and cross finger tomorrow.

[madbad]

My predictions (Groups 1 and 3 only, rest day for group 2):

Div 3 - Group A France over U.S.A 3-2
Div 3 - Group A Canada over Ukraine 3-2
Div 3 - Group B India over New Zealand 4-1
Div 3 - Group B Scotland over Finland 4-1

Div 1 - Group B Indonesia over Denmark 3-2
Div 1 - Group B Korea over Hong Kong 4-1
Div 1 - Group A China over England 5-0
Div 1 - Group A Malaysia over Thailand 4-1

Bravo Indonesia! Great comeback after yesterday's loss. My group B predictions are all falling into place :D

[madbad]

INA needs 4-1 in order to advance to semi now they need to focus to beat HKG , at least 4-1 to secure semifinal....lets hope and cross finger tomorrow.

I'm pretty sure they will win 4-1, with the only loss coming from WS (no surprise there). However, I also think KOR will beat DEN, probably 3-2, so KOR will top the group and INA qualifies to play CHN (yikes!)

[huangkwokhau]

I'm pretty sure they will win 4-1, with the only loss coming from WS (no surprise there). However, I also think KOR will beat DEN, probably 3-2, so KOR will top the group and INA qualifies to play CHN (yikes!)
That right .....thats why I hope DEN can beat Kor tomorrow...lets support Den...:D:D

[edwin]

I'm pretty sure they will win 4-1, with the only loss coming from WS (no surprise there).
That may depend on what will Wang Chen's role tomorrow. Will she rest or will she play? If Wang Chen plays in WD tomorrow, IND may lose both WS and WD.

[huangkwokhau]

That depends what will Wang Chen's role tomorrow. Will she rest or will she play? If Wang Chen plays in WD tomorrow, IND may lose both WS and WD.
Not easy to play double..not sure if she will deliver the points...I doubt it though...playing double is harder than single...you can run all over places...:D

[madbad]

That may depend on what will Wang Chen's role tomorrow. Will she rest or will she play? If Wang Chen plays in WD tomorrow, IND may lose both WS and WD.

Regardless of whether Wang Chen plays doubles, I still think the INA pair are superior and will win

[madbad]

Imagine this scenario:
DEN 3 KOR 2
INA 3 HK 2

Final group B table:

1 KOR GF 9 GA 6
1 INA GF 9 GA 6
1 DEN GF 7 GA 8
4 HK GF 4 11

Tie breaker between KOR and INA:
Games being the same, it would go down to points!

[edwin]

Not easy to play double..not sure if she will deliver the points...I doubt it though...playing double is harder than single...you can run all over places...:D

But she's a very experienced doubles player in Team events, as she and Koon Wai Chee have delivered many key victories playing 2nd doubles in Uber Cup and Asian Games. In the 2003 Surdiman Cup, it was she and Koon Wai Chee who clinched the victory that helped HK defeat Malaysia 3-2 by beating Wong/Chin, thus promoting HK into Group 1 back then.

[huangkwokhau]

But she's a very experienced doubles player in Team events, as she and Koon Wai Chee have delivered many key victories playing 2nd doubles in Uber Cup and Asian Games. In the 2003 Surdiman Cup, it was she and Koon Wai Chee who clinched the victory that helped HK defeat Malaysia 3-2 by beating Wong/Chin, thus promoting HK into Group 1 back then.

Agreed..but it was 4 yrs ago...she is 4 yrs older now..tough to play 2 matches and INA WD is abit stronger too....so it will be tough...

[huangkwokhau]

Imagine this scenario:
DEN 3 KOR 2
INA 3 HK 2

Final group B table:

1 KOR GF 9 GA 6
1 INA GF 9 GA 6
1 DEN GF 7 GA 8
4 HK GF 4 11

Tie breaker between KOR and INA:
Games being the same, it would go down to points!

Thats why we need 4-1 tomorrow plus Den beat Kor...

[gary_seeker]

to be honest, if INA manager target was to win the Sudirman cup back why do they need to delay match against China. For me there's no difference if we get beaten or beat China in semifinal or Final.

[badMania]

DEN vs KOR
Thomas Laybourn/Kamilla Rytter-Juhl vs any combi 50-50 -- tough to say who will win given Korea's tendency to mix and match.

Peter Gade vs Park Sung Hwan 55-45 -- a tie that Denmark HAS to win! Losing this means they will say bye2

Tine Rasmussen vs anyone 51-49 -- I would say that Tine is in good form today and she could beat either Hwang Hye Youn, Lee Yun Hwa or Jang Soo Young.

Jens Eriksen/Martin Lundgaard Hansen vs Jung Jae Sung/Lee Jae Jin 48-52 -- a slight advantage for the KOR pair, but, DEN can and MUST steal this point to win the tie.

Lena Frier-Kristensen/Helle Nielsen vs Lee Kyung Won/Lee Hyo Jung 35-65 -- definitely KOR will take this point!

So, realistically, KOR will need points in XD, either WS or MD and WD.
On the other hand, DEN will need points in either XD or MD, MS and WS.

[huangkwokhau]

to be honest, if INA manager target was to win the Sudirman cup back why do they need to delay match against China. For me there's no difference if we get beaten or beat China in semifinal or Final.

Runner Up sounds better and at least to be televised on last day....better than being 3rd or 4th...:p:p

[Misty100]

Where are all the MAS supporters? The match between MAS and THA started, and I see no MAS supporters rooting for them... or issit becos' they already given up on our MJ XD completely and waiting for the next match to start.

[robin7]

KOR beat HKG 4-1. So KOR in the SF.

Check it out. (http://tournamentsoftware.com/sport/draw.aspx?id=15280&draw=48)

[Misty100]

THA is on the verge of securing their 1st point! 21:17, 20:14

[Footwork]

Where are all the MAS supporters? The match between MAS and THA started, and I see no MAS supporters rooting for them... or issit becos' they already given up on our MJ XD completely and waiting for the next match to start.
And England vs China is on now as well!!
I don't think that England are going to win this!!
Shall I just multi task and support Malaysia?!

[Misty100]

LCW vs Boonsak about to start... c'mon dudes, cheer LCW on!!!

[robin7]

THA is on the verge of securing their 1st point! 21:17, 20:14

Is it showing now?

[Footwork]

Is it showing now? Yeah, I think so

[huangkwokhau]

KOR beat HKG 4-1. So KOR in the SF.

Check it out. (http://tournamentsoftware.com/sport/draw.aspx?id=15280&draw=48)
Yes...but now they are all figthing for top of the group..if Den beat Kor tomorrow and INA beat HKG tomorrow so Kor, Ina and DEN has 2 each win and one loss....so we will see how many sets, etc...

[huangkwokhau]

bye all.....hope MAS win....

[Misty100]

Is it showing now?

Hey robin7, check out the result at livescore now. :cool:
http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/livescore.aspx?id=15280

[Misty100]

LCW is leading 11:6 from Boonsak, interval.

[Misty100]

CHN XD won against ENG in straight games... 1:0 to CHN

LCW 13 : 8 Boonsak

[Footwork]

LD might win this I think!! Hehe

[Misty100]

LD is playing AS... will be easy meat for LD to secure CHN's 2nd point.

LCW 15 : 11 Boonsak

[Misty100]

LCW 18 : 11 Boonsak... LCW moving ahead

[Misty100]

LCW net play is giving numerous points, he must be in good form.

LCW 19 : 12 Boonsak

[Misty100]

Most of MAS supporters gone to bed i believe.

LCW 20 : 13 Boonsak

[Misty100]

LCW will win 1st game. 20:15 now.

[robin7]

Hey robin7, check out the result at livescore now. :cool:
http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/livescore.aspx?id=15280

TQ.

LCW won the 1st set 21-15...

[Misty100]

Yes LCW, now 2nd game, after winning 1st game 21:15!!!

[Footwork]

Smith:6 Lin Dan:4

[Misty100]

LD is having another practise session like yesterday. He will win easily, eventhough AS is taking a small lead at the moment.

LCW 3 : 2 Boonsak, 2nd set

[Misty100]

THA MS Boonsak and WS Salakjit are brother and sister, and they are playing MAS MS LCW and WS WMC, bf and gf... sibling power against valentine power... interesting, LOL

LCW 8 : 7 Boonsak
LD 11 : 9 AS

[Footwork]

Lin Dan's starting to lead now

[robin7]

2nd set, LCW-Boonsak 11-8 interval...

Steady LCW...

[Misty100]

LCW is ruthless, Boonsak is not his SG Open SS form... and I think he never likes playing LCW at all.

LCW 11 : 8 Boonsak, interval

[Misty100]

Here LCW comes, turn on the power and moving ahead 14 : 9

[gary_seeker]

well, it depends on the target. If INA really wants to become like what they were on 1990's (middle) then they should no longer try to avoid some match W some country in any competition. Right now they should make target beating China instead of bringing the trophy back. Why ? If they can beat China (probably it'll be happen in the next 5 years, hope they prove me wrong) it'll raise their morales and gave them more motivations to become the best again.

[robin7]

2nd set, LCW-Boonsak 16-9...

C'mon LCW...[/quote]

[Misty100]

LCW 16 : 9 Boonsak, Boonsak has no answer.

[Misty100]

IO'07 SS champion tearing apart SG Open SS champion... 19 : 11 in 2nd set.

[Misty100]

Wow, LCW means business... he is awesome today and also yesterday.

LCW 19 : 14 Boonsak

[Misty100]

So many smashes, 20:15, almost over!

[Footwork]

LD won the first set 21:19

[robin7]

LCW won 2nd set over Boonsak 21-16...

Syabas LCW won in straight sets 21-15, 21-16...

[Misty100]

MAS 1 : 1 THA

LCW beats Boonsak 21:15, 21:16... great play LCW!!!

[robin7]

Good nite, guys....

[Misty100]

Now, LCW's girlfriend vs Boonsak's sister. WMC is playing well, in good condition, she will win.

[Misty100]

LD is taking his match easy, winning narrowly and what matters most, securing a point for CHN. LD 1 : 3 AS, 2nd set

[Misty100]

CHN 2 : 0 ENG

Lin Dan won his match against Andrew Smith 21:19, 21:11

[Misty100]

So, so quiet in here, only me posting... gosh, it's strange, no MAS supporters around except me... LOL

WMC 10 : 10 SP

[Misty100]

WMC 11 : 10 SP, interval

[Misty100]

Wow, no joke, Salakjit took the 1st set 21 : 17 over WMC.
Wake up WMC, you have to win!!!

[niezzam6177]

What's the rank for this thai gal? Never heard b4. :confused::confused: I thought this match should be easy... :D:D

[shenron]

wow....Salakjit took 1st set....is she really that good?

[shenron]

i think Salakjit ranks 28 now while WMC is 11....

[kwun]

Salakjit is Boonsak's sister.

[shenron]

WMC probably could not find the rhythm yet in the 1st game....now she is running like a wind...

[Misty100]

Yes, Salakjit is Boonsak's sister. Salakjit is quite a tough opponent, though she is not that famous, but she was SEA Games champion before a few years ago.

[shenron]

sometimes it's difficult to play with a new face with a new style as it will takes time to get used to his/her style. Same like KKK/TBH when they were first partnered together. Now, most top players know their style and are well prepared when meeting them.

[Misty100]

WMC probably didn't get a good warm up earlier, and once she found her rhythm, she is on the flow... WMC 16 : 7 SP

[Misty100]

Easy 2nd game for WMC, i supposed. 18 : 9, hard for Salakjit to chase now.

[shenron]

there you go...MAS queen just took the 2nd game...21 - 10.

[kwun]

just a quick update on Div 3. USA got cleaned by France 5-0. USA fielded almost the same lineup except they put in Lauren Todt for WS. probably they knew that Pi is too strong and chose to rest Lili to play in the WD.

MS, MD and XD were pretty close games.

[Misty100]

WMC wins 2nd set 21:10, and rubber will go WMC if she can keep her rhythm flowing smoothly.

[kwun]

just a quick update on Div 3. USA got cleaned by France 5-0. USA fielded almost the same lineup except they put in Lauren Todt for WS. probably they knew that Pi is too strong and chose to rest Lili to play in the WD.

MS, MD and XD were pretty close games.

CAN beat UKR 3-2 on the other tie. what this means is that if USA beats UKR tomorrow, they will qualify for the semi final to play against the 1st finisher from group B.

[niezzam6177]

The rubber should be a breeze for WMC... She is fitter I think..

[Misty100]

WMC started agressively taking the 1st smash and lead 2:0

[shenron]

Again, seems like WMC is struggling to get a point. What happened?

[Misty100]

Scotland seems to be playing very well too in homeground, winning yesterday and going 2:1 up over Finland.

[niezzam6177]

Again, seems like WMC is struggling to get a point. What happened?

LCW should be on her side giving her some tips! :D:D She is nervous..

[kwun]

i need to balance out the support here.

let's GO THAILAND!!!! Crub.

[Misty100]

WMC seems to be making many errors, but as a fighter she is, she'll make a quick comeback.

WMC 6 : 8 SP

[Misty100]

She will win eventually, see what i mean, she is making a quick comeback now, 8 a piece.

[shenron]

LCW should be on her side giving her some tips! :D:D She is nervous..

No....LCW is sitting besides another girl, chatting....he he...:D

[niezzam6177]

WMC seems to be making many errors, but as a fighter she is, she'll make a quick comeback.

WMC 6 : 8 SP

Yeah...better make it quick, b4 it's too late

[shenron]

Salakjit is getting serious now....leading with 11 - 8. Come on, WMC!!

[Misty100]

i need to balance out the support here.

let's GO THAILAND!!!! Crub.

I don't wanna go Thailand these days, too much political unrest and risky to travel in southern Thailand, with the terrorist bombing here and there. LOL:cool::cool::cool::D:D:D

[kwun]

Salakjit is getting serious now....leading with 11 - 8. Come on, WMC!!

i want to see another tie winner determine by the last WD match. so GO GO SALAKJIT!!!!!

[shenron]

9 - 13 ... you must be joking, wake up, WMC!

[shenron]

mmm....what happened to WMC? Suddenly crashed...

[Misty100]

Gosh, what happened to WMC, she is flatering, trialing so far now 15:9... wei WMC, fight hard!

[shenron]

CoMe oN wMC.....use your voodoo power!....he he

[kwun]

SALAKJIT!!!

THAILAND!!

MAS supporters should rest easy as i don't think MAS will lose MD and WD.

[niezzam6177]

Don't think WMC gonna win this... Too far behind:crying::crying:

[kwun]

16-10.
17-10 now. something is definitely bothering WMC.

[shenron]

is it going to be another upset of the day?...seems so...

[Misty100]

Damn... another one bite the dust... when you have faith in them, they falters.

[kwun]

another interesting match coming up

Robert Blair/David Lindley (ENG) vs. Cai/Fu (CHN)

[whbwlc]

that's why thai saved strength against CHN yeaterday.

[shenron]

TH WS seems really, really good that she could just take points after points...leaving WMC wondering on the court...

[niezzam6177]

Damn... another one bite the dust... when you have faith in them, they falters.

Dont put faith in KKK/TBH then, or they will fall as well...

GO MAS!!!:D:D

[kwun]

that's why thai saved strength against CHN yeaterday.

good strategy for THA, they should aim for qualifying to SF. there is no point fighting hard with CHN. there is a possibility that they can beat ENG as well as MAS. it will be tough fight and probably a bit of luck. but it doesn't hurt trying.

[kwun]

20-13 Salakjit. WMC is all but finished.

[shenron]

being wondering all the time, why MAS players always crashed when it comes to the team event or when on paper, they supposed to win the game??

[kwun]

Dont put faith in KKK/TBH then, or they will fall as well...

GO MAS!!!:D:D

don't lose faith on your players.

yet, support them even when they are down and fallen.

[kwun]

20-13 Salakjit. WMC is all but finished.

Salakjit Polsana (THA) beats Wong Mew Choo (MAS) 21-17 / 10-21 / 21-15

[Misty100]

Damnit! I think I am going to stop staying up so late night after night and get disappointed... no hopers.

[shenron]

MAS MD will definitely deliver the point but our WD is not so consistent even though their ranking is high.

[kwun]

now for MAS, they need to know that MD and WD are critical and they should fight till their last breath.

i can't help but to wonder whether the moral of the team is pretty low now after they have lost to ENG yesterday. their chances of qualifying for the SF is very slim.

[kwun]

tight 1st game between Cai/Fu & Blair/Lindley. 11-9

[Misty100]

I believe KKK/TBH will lose to THA today too... they are hotshots professionals... and more interested in winning SS, and SC do not reward them with money.

[shenron]

now for MAS, they need to know that MD and WD are critical and they should fight till their last breath.

i can't help but to wonder whether the moral of the team is pretty low now after they have lost to ENG yesterday. their chances of qualifying for the SF is very slim.


It's typical trend of MAS players...once you get upset, it will haunt you one by one.

[huangkwokhau]

wow,,....I just came back now THAI leads 2-1??? come on KKK/TBH

[hcpoirot]

I thought WMC had improved a lot and can beat any other players except China, Ex China players and sometime Japan or Korea players.

Look like WMC only improve a little. Still lost to Salakjit.

Stamina should not be an issue cause she win quite quick yesterday. Not to mention tomorrow she will probably face a very fresh XXF.

[kwun]

tight 1st game between Cai/Fu & Blair/Lindley. 11-9

i take that back!!!

Cai/Fu now leads 19-12. :eek:

[niezzam6177]

Go go go KKK/TBH!

You MUST WIN!!

Forget about yesterday.... today is a new day, new game

[hcpoirot]

Cai/Fu as usual add fuel and in less than 5 minutes win first set 21-14

[shenron]

KKK/TBH will surely win the game as they want to redempt themselves. Should not be any problem for them.

[Misty100]

now for MAS, they need to know that MD and WD are critical and they should fight till their last breath.

i can't help but to wonder whether the moral of the team is pretty low now after they have lost to ENG yesterday. their chances of qualifying for the SF is very slim.

I gather it's not MORAL, it's more to do with attitude. Before going to SC, the Chief coach keep saying their target is to secure a semi berth, and remain in Div 1 for another 2 years, somehow the players won't take this tourney seriously, afterall the Chief is also not worried that they should do everything possible to win. YKH keep mentioning that they are there to collect Olympic points, and i think that's utterly rubbish. If you think you are defeated before departing for a tourney, don't go then... going to make up the numbers, and a holidays... that's pathetic! :mad:

[kwun]

the scary thing about the SC so far is that China, being in Division 1, the strongest division of the tournament, has not dropped a single game yet.

[hcpoirot]

Do anybody here know why Thailand didnot play Saralee/Sathinee in WD? Are Sathinee still injured?

Cause if that is true and although Mas can win MD and WD today, they will not enter SF cause Eng surely beat Thailand tomorrow at least 3-2.

From XD, MD and WD. (If Saralee/Sathinee did not play)

[kwun]

KKK/TBH will surely win the game as they want to redempt themselves. Should not be any problem for them.

and they are showing it. leading 12-6 right now.

[shenron]

first game...KKK/TBH are playing well...leaving their opponent easily....but 2nd game...always a different story.

[hcpoirot]

I read newspaper that Malaysia set to meet China in final. Of course that before the match between them and England started yesterday. :)

[whbwlc]

there's no chance for Eng pair, coz the poor defence, and CY/FHF are always good at attacking.

[Misty100]

All those talk about SPEED, POWER and SPACE... mmm, what happened?

[nugroho]

why THA do not play saralee/sathine instead? that would be alot better i suppose....

[LazyBuddy]

i can't help but to wonder whether the moral of the team is pretty low now after they have lost to ENG yesterday. their chances of qualifying for the SF is very slim.

More or less, it shows the effect now.

If your "sure point" slips away, and cause the last of a team match, the teammates' confidence will be hurt, and getting nervous. Because, now, you are facing a "can't lose" pressure, which is too much for a lot of player to overcome. :cool:

[LazyBuddy]

why THA do not play saralee/sathine instead? that would be alot better i suppose....

Maybe they want Saralee to get more rest for England? :rolleyes: If she has to play 2 events, it's too tiresome.

[huangkwokhau]

I read newspaper that Malaysia set to meet China in final. Of course that before the match between them and England started yesterday. :)

I read that too..if MAS loses to Thai....wondering what they will say.....:confused::confused: sounds too confident that MAS will beat KOR/DEN/INA thru final.

[hcpoirot]

Mas pair win first set easily.

China MD set to win in straight set.

[kwun]

why THA do not play saralee/sathine instead? that would be alot better i suppose....

yeah. if they played Saralee/Satinee, they might even beat MAS.

Satinee is in the lineup so presumably she did go to Glasgow. is this an oversight or perhaps she is still injured? but if she is still injured, why bother bringing her?

[shenron]

see.... 4 - 7 trailing behind in the 2nd game....could it be they are slowing the pace or changing their tactics?? being wondering of how they play lately....

[kwun]

Maybe they want Saralee to get more rest for England? :rolleyes: If she has to play 2 events, it's too tiresome.

perhaps THA over-estimated MAS or underestimated their own players. but that's too late now.

[hcpoirot]

Maybe they want Saralee to get more rest for England? :rolleyes: If she has to play 2 events, it's too tiresome.

Not too tired cause Mas XD is not a tough opponents. Gail Emms also play doubles yesterday and managed to win to points from Malaysia from XD and WD.

So I am pretty sure Sathinee probably not fit.

[huangkwokhau]

Just like HKG...they did not play Wang Chen against DEN....HKG might win 3-2 instead of 2-3....so whats the point to play Wang Chen tomorrow against INA.

[kwun]

Just like HKG...they did not play Wang Chen against DEN....HKG might win 3-2 instead of 2-3....so whats the point to play Wang Chen tomorrow against INA.

did Wang Chen even go to Glasgow? i thought she is injured and not playing the Sudirman Cup.

[hcpoirot]

The same also can be said about Hong KOng. They include Wang Chen name but she didnot play yesterday against Denmark and today against Korea.

[hcpoirot]

Maybe the line up in Sudirman website is not too up to date.

[huangkwokhau]

did Wang Chen even go to Glasgow? i thought she is injured and not playing the Sudirman Cup.

Really?? wow...hm..then not sure she will play Superliga Indonesia...thanks

[Misty100]

MAS team's mission to Glasgow, merely to make up the numbers, and show face... they are not there to make any impression. BAM and their panel of coaches keep saying their focus is WC'07 and Olympic'08. As a Malaysian myself, I felt disgusted with that kinda attitude. No wonder e'ryone in this forum seems to believe that MAS team are mentally retarded and weak.

[hcpoirot]

The most interesting matches tomorrow China against Malaysia are MS and MD. Will be very tight.

XD and WD are very upside down matches. WMC will give a fight but will lost in the end.

[shenron]

MAS MD won already....yeah!

[Misty100]

If you check the statistics of the MD match, shenron... you notice KKK/TBH seems to be smashing alot more than they did yesterday.

and they won easily 21:12, 21:16

[LazyBuddy]

Not too tired cause Mas XD is not a tough opponents. Gail Emms also play doubles yesterday and managed to win to points from Malaysia from XD and WD.



ENG believes in themselves to have a legit shot to beat MAS, relying all their doubles. Therefore, Emms is a must be for both events, as Robertson only plays XD. If they put the other pair, then both of them (Donna and Clark?) need to play both XD and regular double, which is even more tiring.

[Misty100]

LCW didn't disappoint us yesterday and today, but i think it will be his turn this Thursday to let us down, shenron... LOL

Honestly I hope not :p

[shenron]

If you check the statistics of the MD match, shenron... you notice KKK/TBH seems to be smashing alot more than they did yesterday.

and they won easily 21:12, 21:16

maybe they changed the tactic to smash more after they got their lesson yesterday...

[bidapower]

malaysia!!!! plez win!!!

[Misty100]

ENG believes in themselves to have a legit shot to beat MAS, relying all their doubles. Therefore, Emms is a must be for both events, as Robertson only plays XD. If they put the other pair, then both of them (Donna and Clark?) need to play both XD and regular double, which is even more tiring.

Playing XD against MJ is like a stroll in the park. They hardly raise a sweat if you see the scoreline and the duration of the match.

[shenron]

LCW didn't disappoint us yesterday and today, but i think it will be his turn this Thursday to let us down, shenron... LOL

Honestly I hope not :p

LCW vs LD ... mmm....quite some time, isn't it? Could LCW in-form beat LD this time? we'll see soon...

[shenron]

Come on, WPT/CEH.... don't be a spoiler again this time...

[shenron]

CHN probably get 5 points from ENG..... a complete victory.

[hcpoirot]

Just like MD, China WD VS Eng is very tight at half first set 11-10. After that ZYW/WYL racing to 19-12.

[shenron]

1 - 4 with THAI is leading......sigh....MAS WD always not so consistent.

[Misty100]

LCW vs LD ... mmm....quite some time, isn't it? Could LCW in-form beat LD this time? we'll see soon...

Yeah, it's about time, they have not met in a while. But I have a feeling, CHN might let CJ play. Afterall they are already on the top of the group now and the rest of the squad should get some Olympic points too. Most like CHN will play ZL against WMC too, since XXF played the first match, and ZN played against Eng. Anyway they rotate, they will still come out tops.

[kwun]

CHN probably get 5 points from ENG..... a complete victory.

wait a minute. didn't LYB said he is going to field his strongest players?

does he think that Wei Yili and Zhang Yawen are his strongest WD ??

[Misty100]

No matter how LYB rotates his women players, any combination is still a winner.

[shenron]

Yeah, it's about time, they have not met in a while. But I have a feeling, CHN might let CJ play. Afterall they are already on the top of the group now and the rest of the squad should get some Olympic points too. Most like CHN will play ZL against WMC too, since XXF played the first match, and ZN played against Eng. Anyway they rotate, they will still come out tops.

knowing that MAS team is so fragile....probably LYB will field CJ instead of LD.

[hcpoirot]

Mas fans will had a heart attack now. Thai second WD leading 9-8. I though Mas will win easily but the Thai girls put up a fight.

[shenron]

WPT/CEH is still struggling against THAI pair.

[hcpoirot]

wait a minute. didn't LYB said he is going to field his strongest players?

does he think that Wei Yili and Zhang Yawen are his strongest WD ??


Even if LYB pair a scratch pair example: Gao Ling/ Yang Wei or Gao Ling/ Wei Yi Li, China WD will still crushes Eng WD.

I am curious if Gao Ling/ ZJW will get a chance to play WD tomorrow for Olympic points.

[shenron]

now they are leading 13 - 12 ....come on, win the game!

[nugroho]

what if thai win againts mas?

[hcpoirot]

14 all now! Very scary!

[Misty100]

THA pair seems to be in high spirit after Salakjit's win over WMC. They know they are the underdogs and they have nothing to lose... they will be going all out to crave out winners.

[kwun]

i have to say that if MAS do lose to THA it will be more than a failure, it is more like an embarassment.

however, that doesn't look like it will be the case as Wong/Chin is leading 17-15 so far.

[kwun]

MAS 20-16 THA.

should get 1st game no problem.

[shenron]

if MAS lose to THA, then MAS will be a total loser.

[Misty100]

Wake up call for MAS, the neighbours are closing in.

And YKH need to lose his volumptously big belly, he looks like a slop to me... LOL :p

[shenron]

however, today is not the day that MAS is going down....

[Misty100]

Take a look at LYB, he still spot a trim nice cruves, so neat and cool, though I don't like him very much after the "break his leg" thingy... LOL.

Go on MAS lasses, win for once... i need that booster to keep my faith alive.

[Misty100]

Too soon to speak, shenron... game is still in play... hahahaha :D

[kwun]

the Thai girls are not giving up. still hanging on at 4-4. now that's the fighting spirit!

[shenron]

thinking about it, could THA beat ENG? ... it's almost a miracle to hope for.

[kwun]

thinking about it, could THA beat ENG? ... it's almost a miracle to hope for.

unlikely. but it will be pretty close.

[Misty100]

C'mon lasses, keep the pace going and move ahead.

MAS 11 : 7 THA, interval.

[kwun]

and the THA girls are slowly slipping away 7-12.

[Krisna]

THA won't win against MAS without a healthy Boonsak...

[kwun]

7-13. momentum is definitely to the MAS side. congrats MAS for winning the tie.

need to run and get some lunch.

[shenron]

THA won't win against MAS without a healthy Boonsak...

and MAS won't win without a healthy KKK/TBH....:D

[bidapower]

come on malaysia!!!!

[Misty100]

If THA loses to MAS, they will give ENG a run for their money. With Boonsak and Salakjit playing well, and if they can secure 2 points, THA do have a realistic chance to beat ENG... from their XD. I think their chances are even, 50:50, and they don't want to be at the bottom and faces relegation to Div. 2

[shenron]

15 - 8 yes....that's the thing we want to see from ya....

[shenron]

If THA loses to MAS, they will give ENG a run for their money. With Boonsak and Salakjit playing well, and if they can secure 2 points, THA do have a realistic chance to beat ENG... from their XD. I think their chances are even, 50:50, and they don't want to be at the bottom and faces relegation to Div. 2

Let's hope their key players could deliver the points...

[Misty100]

Gosh, MAS teams are seeing a glimpse of light at the end of the tunnel after taking a hugh lead, 18:11.

[shenron]

21 - 12 ...yes...yes...you did not disappoint us today!!..

[Misty100]

well, see ya again on Thursday, shenron... time to go to bed soon.

YES!!! MAS 3 : 2 THA... and the lasses played their role well.

[ronk]

Okay, MAS will not be relegated unless Thailand beats England. Then it is a tie for 3 teams and the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th places will be based on countback.

[shenron]

well, see ya again on Thursday, shenron... time to go to bed soon.

YES!!! MAS 3 : 2 THA... and the lasses played their role well.

me too....very sleepy now...can't wait to see match between CHN vs MAS...:rolleyes:

[bidapower]

hope that malaysia can win again china!!! yeah!!!

[shenron]

nothing is impossible by beating CHN......ok guys, time to go to sleep...bye!

[ronk]

hope that malaysia can win again china!!! yeah!!!

Malaysia might win in MS and MD. However, the stars are not aligned for Malaysia to win in XD, WS, or WD. Now, if someone can bribe the Chinese chef to add something bad into the food so that the entire team gets sick ...:D

[madbad]

Realistically, MAS must have THA beat ENG to stand a chance to qualify for the SF.

If THA beats ENG 3-2 and CHN beats MAS 4-1, final standing will look like this:
CHN W3 L0 GF14 GA1 6 pts
MAS W1 L2 GF6 GA9 4 pts
ENG W1 L2 GF5 GA10 4 pts
THA W1 L2 GF5 GA10 4 pts

In this case, MAS qualifies directly to the SF on superior differential.

While praying for a Thai win, it's important for MAS to pick up at least one point for that all important game differential if it comes down to it. If MAS loses 5-0, then all 3 will have the same differential and total games/points will come into the equation. If THA should win 4-1 (and MAS lose 1-4), their differential will be the same as MAS' while eliminating ENG on inferior game differential. Then the countback will be between THA and MAS.

But... I still think ENG will beat THA and all this will be irrelevant. :)

[Dreamzz]

THA can only realistically win in MS, WS and XD, the other 2 ties should comfortably go ENG's way.

[pjswift]

Malaysia might win in MS and MD. However, the stars are not aligned for Malaysia to win in XD, WS, or WD. Now, if someone can bribe the Chinese chef to add something bad into the food so that the entire team gets sick ...:D
MAS will have to field WCH to play XD with WPT.Whether they have trained for it does not matter. If MAS use the XD MJ,it's a sure loss (although they have played well considering their inexperience.THU is not the time to give them exposure.) MAS MS, MD and XD. Psych yourself up to upset CHN on THU. Don't count on THA or ENG to decide your fate.Nothing's over unless you decide it's over. You have the skills and mind to deliver.

[LazyBuddy]

If THA loses to MAS, they will give ENG a run for their money. With Boonsak and Salakjit playing well, and if they can secure 2 points, THA do have a realistic chance to beat ENG... from their XD. I think their chances are even, 50:50, and they don't want to be at the bottom and faces relegation to Div. 2


Unless ENG lost to THA, AND MAS beat CHN by 5:0, ENG still have the tie breaker either way. The only way that MAS takes #2 is to beat CHN (very hard) and ENG lose to THA, or MAS beats CHN in a big way (even harder) and ENG got blown out by THA (very hard).

Also, even if THA finish last in the group A, I think they still can be in Div 1, as they should be able to beat HKG in MS, MD, XD and even WD. :rolleyes:

[markchan]

Aiyah, I think the best is for MAS to try and nick a point or two (MS and MD) from CHN and hope that THA upset ENG 3-2. If THA wins, the points shud come from MS, WS, and XD. The MD and WD looks likely to go to ENG based on current form.

[alfa-2]

I believe KKK/TBH will lose to THA today too... they are hotshots professionals... and more interested in winning SS, and SC do not reward them with money.

what's that? :confused::confused::confused::confused: :p:p:p:p:p

[madbad]

Unless ENG lost to THA, AND MAS beat CHN by 5:0, ENG still have the tie breaker either way. The only way that MAS takes #2 is to beat CHN (very hard) and ENG lose to THA, or MAS beats CHN in a big way (even harder) and ENG got blown out by THA (very hard).


How'd you figure that?:confused::confused:
I think my explanation is correct (see 3 posts before yours) based on responses provided by other members to my question on tiebreakers.

[shyeling]

madbad, go to the 2007 Sudirman Cup – Day 3 - Wednesday 2007 to see why england ranked before m'sia since if compare matches, games and points, is m'sia better....

thanks!!!

[Jimmy_Goh]

Okay, MAS will not be relegated unless Thailand beats England. Then it is a tie for 3 teams and the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th places will be based on countback.
Any idea how the count back works?
Is it only between the teams involved in the tie, or all the teams in the group?

[madbad]

madbad, go to the 2007 Sudirman Cup – Day 3 - Wednesday 2007 to see why england ranked before m'sia since if compare matches, games and points, is m'sia better....

thanks!!!

E is before M is before T?

[shyeling]

E is before M is before T?

good explanation...:D:D

[X Ball]

good explanation...:D:D

No it is the other way --- Terrible, Mediocre, Excellent

[robin7]

MAS will have to field WCH to play XD with WPT.Whether they have trained for it does not matter. If MAS use the XD MJ,it's a sure loss (although they have played well considering their inexperience.THU is not the time to give them exposure.) MAS MS, MD and XD. Psych yourself up to upset CHN on THU. Don't count on THA or ENG to decide your fate.Nothing's over unless you decide it's over. You have the skills and mind to deliver.

Why WMC lost to Salakjit Ponsana?
4-1 should have been much better.

Anyway, I agreed to field WCH/WPT in XD against CHN. It stands a better chance and hope for an upset while praying for ENG to lose to THA.

[cute_tbh]

but look at the group B...
Korea
Indonesia
Denmark
HongKong

D is before I
even H is before I

if it is because of alphabetical order, then it should be like this
Denmark
HongKong
Indonesia
Korea


rite..?

[madbad]

but look at the group B...
Korea
Indonesia
Denmark
HongKong

D is before I
even H is before I

if it is because of alphabetical order, then it should be like this
Denmark
HongKong
Indonesia
Korea


rite..?

I was only joking ;)

[robin7]

LCW didn't disappoint us yesterday and today, but i think it will be his turn this Thursday to let us down, shenron... LOL
Honestly I hope not :p

I believe LCW will try his best to beat LD on Thursday.:D

You can't say LCW disappoints us if he loses to LD. It's simply because LD is a more established player and world number 1. But LCW should not use this as excuse if he loses.

WMC losing SP is what I call disappointment.

[abedeng]

Guys, in the incidence of 3 way tie, the total no of matches come into play to select a winner, followed by the winner between the next 2 teams.

Eg, MAS and ENG both win next match (not likely for MAS), CHN will still be group champs based on matches won (no way in hell will CHN lose 5-0), ENG will accompany CHN as they had beaten MAS, irrespective if MAS had a better win-loss match ratio than ENG.

If MAS and ENG both lose (not likely for ENG), then the 2nd place winner will depend on the match win-loss ratio alone. In this case, ENG are not likely to qualify (their best win-loss ratio will be 5-10, assuming they lose 2-3)

In which case THA need to blank ENG 5-0 to have a ghost of a chance, and MAS have to lose to CHN by 1-4 margin or more. Any other scoreline will let MAS through.

In the other group, I can say that INA should be safely through, a 3-2 win over HK is all they need. However the outcome of whether they can avoid CHN is not in their hands anymore.

Things are tougher for DEN, they must force a 4-1 victory over KOR to accompany INA. Any less and KOR qualify as group champions with INA in 2nd place.

[robin7]

Guys, in the incidence of 3 way tie, the total no of matches come into play to select a winner, followed by the winner between the next 2 teams...

Let me try to summarise it:

(1) CHN & KOR are at the top of the tables and have secured themselves into SF.

(2) In case of a tie in # of plays won, # of matches won/lost ratio will determine who advances.
Again, in case of a tie in # of matches won/lost, # of games won/lost ratio will decide who advances.
Further, in case of a tie in # of games won/lost, # of points won/lost will determine who advances.

[madbad]

Let me try to summarise it:

(1) CHN & KOR are at the top of the tables and have secured themselves into SF.

(2) In case of a tie in # of plays won, # of matches won/lost ratio will determine who advances.
Again, in case of a tie in # of matches won/lost, # of games won/lost ratio will decide who advances.
Further, in case of a tie in # of games won/lost, # of points won/lost will determine who advances.

Robin7, please go to the day 3 thread to see the official rules which was posted by Dmitry. There is a head to head factor which you did not take into acount in your explanation.
http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=44675

[robin7]

Robin7, please go to the day 3 thread to see the official rules which was posted by Dmitry. There is a head to head factor which you did not take into acount in your explanation.
http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=44675

That's exactly what I'm trying to explain.

Plus, ENG is ahead of MAS in terms of ranking because ENG beat MAS. I guess this is what you called "Head to head factor".

[madbad]

That's exactly what I'm trying to explain.

Plus, ENG is ahead of MAS in terms of ranking because ENG beat MAS. I guess this is what you called "Head to head factor".

Except you never mentioned head to head as a tiebreaker option in your explanation.