2007 Sudirman Cup – Day 3 - Wednesday

INA 4-1 HK :(YPY for HK)

KOR 3-2 DEN :(Gade for DEN and all three doubles for KOR.Maybe Hwang
Hye Youn or Lee Yun Hwa can win over Rasmussen, Tine )

SIN 2-3 TP :(Susilo, Ronald or Lee, Kendrick can get a point for SIN
while CSC will win over LI Li or XING Aiying,I think;And MX for SIN
because they have Saputra, Hendri Kurniawan/Li, Yujia;WD and MD all
goes to TP)

GER 4-1 SWD:( WD )

JPN 5-0 RUS

POL ?-? NED(NED singles can take thier games)

(Ed: Live scoring link:

http://tournamentsoftware.com/sport/matches.aspx?id=15280&day=122000

)

Sudirman Cup Div 1 - Group A
Sudirman Cup Div 1 - Group A
Ranking

My Hope for SIN.
SIN 3 TP 2 (Men's singles, Men's double, Mixed Doubles).
Also rooting for Li Li to win in case of any hiccup. TP Ladies double may be too strong for SIN.

enlighten me, please...
from the chart above...

MAS scores more points than ENG...
but why does ENG still ahead of MAS...

i mean, look at INA..although they lost to KOR, and DEN won over HK, INA scores more than DEN, and ahead of DEN too...

confuse..........

why m'sia ranked no.3 while england ranked no.2, since m'sia is better if compared in matches won & lost, games won & lost, points won & lost

MAS lost to England , 3-2
So England ranked NO.2

INA beat DEN yesterday ,
So INA ranked NO.2

Taufik , Taufik , Taufik

oic...
then, MAS will only be no.2...if THA beats ENG, or MAS beats CHN...

is it?

if THA beats ENG, let say 3-4 and MAS lost to CHN, let say 2-3, would ENG still be no.2....? not necessary, rite...the 2nd place will be determined based on the points secured, right.....?

not is it if the points is same, then it will be automatically compared the matches or game or points win & lose to determine the ranking??

OK, someone who REALLY knows, please clarify the tiebreaker rules. Is the first tiebreaker head to head result or games won/lost?

I've tried googling but to no avail. There's gotta be someone out there who actually knows. Proof would be good too :)

not is it if the points is same, then it will be automatically compared the matches or game or points win & lose to determine the ranking??
Very confusing ranking. The tournament organiser should state the rules clearly in the web page:confused:.
Anyway, I still hope Thai bt Eng so that M'sia goes thro to semi-final.
And . . . . SIN to play Japan and win promotion.

Tommorrow day 4, CHN Vs MAS got live in CCTV 5, right? hooray.....Day 3 any live cast...in Web TV?

OK, someone who REALLY knows, please clarify the tiebreaker rules. Is the first tiebreaker head to head result or games won/lost?

I've tried googling but to no avail. There's gotta be someone out there who actually knows. Proof would be good too :)

http://www.internationalbadminton.org/PDF%20-%20Regulations/214%20SUDIRMAN%20CUP%20REGULATIONS.pdf

5.5 Ranking order in the sub-groups

5.5.1 If two teams have won the same number of ties, the ranking will be decided by the result of the tie between them.

5.5.2 If three or more teams have won the same number of ties, ranking will be decided by the total number of matches won. If this leaves two teams equal, ranking will be decided by the result of the tie between them.

5.5.3 If three or more teams have won the same number of ties and the same number of matches, ranking will be decided by the difference between total games won and total games lost, with greater difference ranked higher. If this leaves two teams equal, ranking will be decided by the result of the tie between them.

5.5.4 If three or more teams have won the same number of ties and the same number of matches and have the same difference between total games won and total games lost, ranking will be decided by the difference between total points won and total points lost, with greater difference ranked higher. If this leaves two teams equal, ranking will be decided by the result of the tie between them.

5.5.5 If three or more teams have won the same number of ties and the same number of matches, have the same difference between total games won and total games lost, and have the same difference between total points won and total points lost, ranking will be decided by drawing lots.

If I am not mistaken, the rules follow Thomas/Uber Cup.

If 2 teams have equal no of ties won, the head to head winner is ranked higher. Eg. 1992 Thomas Cup, KOR and MAS lead their group with equal no of ties won, MAS had more matches won, but KOR beat MAS in their group tie. Therefore KOR topped the group and MAS 2nd.

If 3 or more teams have equal no of ties won, the countback will be on matches, then sets, then points. So, if MAS and ENG lose their next ties, there will be 3 way tie between MAS, ENG and THA. Similarly, if MAS and ENG win, there will also be a 3 way tie between MAS, ENG and CHN.

And as much as I would like MAS to qualify, they don't deserve a semis berth on account of the loss to ENG.

For those who know how to read chinese, this is how Master Li commented the coming match between China and Malaysia:

http://www.sinchew-i.com/breaking/index.phtml?artid=200706131799&sec=843

Thanks, Dmitry. That clears up a lot.

http://www.internationalbadminton.org/PDF%20-%20Regulations/214%20SUDIRMAN%20CUP%20REGULATIONS.pdf

5.5 Ranking order in the sub-groups

5.5.1 If two teams have won the same number of ties, the ranking will be decided by the result of the tie between them.

5.5.2 If three or more teams have won the same number of ties, ranking will be decided by the total number of matches won. If this leaves two teams equal, ranking will be decided by the result of the tie between them.

5.5.3 If three or more teams have won the same number of ties and the same number of matches, ranking will be decided by the difference between total games won and total games lost, with greater difference ranked higher. If this leaves two teams equal, ranking will be decided by the result of the tie between them.

5.5.4 If three or more teams have won the same number of ties and the same number of matches and have the same difference between total games won and total games lost, ranking will be decided by the difference between total points won and total points lost, with greater difference ranked higher. If this leaves two teams equal, ranking will be decided by the result of the tie between them.

5.5.5 If three or more teams have won the same number of ties and the same number of matches, have the same difference between total games won and total games lost, and have the same difference between total points won and total points lost, ranking will be decided by drawing lots.

Thank Dmitry, that is the evidence we needed. No more speculation necessary.

in other words...
MAS no longer has a chance to reach SF..
because even if ENG is beaten by THA, they have 1 win, 2 loses.. if MAS is beaten by CHN, MAS has 1 win, 2 loses as well..
so, the ranking will be determined by the tie between them..

it means ENG will go through as ENG won the match against MAS....

huwaaaa.....
there goes my dream...
huhu...

in other words...
MAS no longer has a chance to reach SF..
because even if ENG is beaten by THA, they have 1 win, 2 loses.. if MAS is beaten by CHN, MAS has 1 win, 2 loses as well..
so, the ranking will be determined by the tie between them..

it means ENG will go through as ENG won the match against MAS....

huwaaaa.....
there goes my dream...
huhu...

No, it depends on the final scores from tomorrow's matches. I'll let you work it out...;)

eh wait...no...MAS still has the chance...if THA beats ENG, then three teams: ENG,MAS and THA have 1 win 2 loses...the same number of tie...
meaning, the ranked will be determine by the number of matches won, rite..
so far, MAS won more matches, even sets and points than ENG and THA...

MAS still has the chance....

better pray hard......

thanks, madbad... ;)

in other words...
MAS no longer has a chance to reach SF..
because even if ENG is beaten by THA, they have 1 win, 2 loses.. if MAS is beaten by CHN, MAS has 1 win, 2 loses as well..
so, the ranking will be determined by the tie between them..

it means ENG will go through as ENG won the match against MAS....

huwaaaa.....
there goes my dream...
huhu...

No, you are mistaken: in this case THA will be the third with 1 win and 2 loses, so the regulations 5.5.2 - 5.5.5 must be applied. MAS still has chances!;)

thanks, madbad... ;)

You're a funny girl:p:p

Off topic.

Dmitry, where is Novosibirsk in Russia? Is it the badminton hotspot of Russia?:)

in other words...
MAS no longer has a chance to reach SF..
because even if ENG is beaten by THA, they have 1 win, 2 loses.. if MAS is beaten by CHN, MAS has 1 win, 2 loses as well..
so, the ranking will be determined by the tie between them..

it means ENG will go through as ENG won the match against MAS....

huwaaaa.....
there goes my dream...
huhu...

THA is also 1 win and 2 loses as same as MAS and ENG. So...........

any team Ina will face in SF, China or ENgland, it does not make any difference...

Ina vs ENgland = 5:0

Final Ina vs China: 3 - 0

any team Ina will face in SF, China or ENgland, it does not make any difference...

Ina vs ENgland = 5:0

Final Ina vs China: 3 - 0

Thanks once again Indra for entertaining us :)

Novosibirsk (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novosibirsk) is the largest city in Siberia. It looks to be about 400km from the Kazakh border and just under 1000km from the westernmost corner of Mongolia. The Trans-Siberian Railway intersects the Ob River there. And, of course, it has a really cool name.

Dmitry will have to enlighten us as to its badminton geography. That is, if he is willing to continue the digression from the thread topic.

Thanks once again Indra for entertaining usNow, lest this post be deleted for the above stated reason, I'm wondering. Indra is obviously deliberately making absurd predictions. That much we have always known. I'm wondering if he is deliberately misleading as well in predicting 3-0 wins for group ties, which we all know must go the full 5 matches and 5-0 wins for semi-final ties, which, similarly, we all know must end once one team wins 3 matches.

eh wait...no...MAS still has the chance...if THA beats ENG, then three teams: ENG,MAS and THA have 1 win 2 loses...the same number of tie...
meaning, the ranked will be determine by the number of matches won, rite..
so far, MAS won more matches, even sets and points than ENG and THA...

MAS still has the chance....

better pray hard......

The thing is Thailand must beat England 3-2 for Malaysia to have a semi-final chance. Any other result and Malaysia will finish third. If England wins, it is clear. If Thailand wins by 4-1 or 5-0, then Thailand will finish second and England bottom. If Thailand wins by 3-2, then we will go to the countback on sets, where I think Malaysia will have superiority. The result with China will make no difference, unless Malaysia beats China which is highly unlikely.

Off topic.

Dmitry, where is Novosibirsk in Russia? Is it the badminton hotspot of Russia?:)

Thanks to event, he answered the first question. As for the 2nd, yes, it is one of the main "badminton cities" in Russia. Currently there are two players from Novosibirsk in the Russian team: Vitalij Durkin and Alexandr Nikolaenko.

The result with China will make no difference, unless Malaysia beats China which is highly unlikely.

The result with China will make a difference, since the total matches, games, points are taken into account, not only the ones between these 3 teams.

The morning's (in Scotland) most important tie is between Singapore and Chinese Taipei. I concur with Li De Quan's predictions.

In MS, SIN is way too strong.
In WS and WD, TPE is way too strong.

That brings TPE to within one match from victory. SIN is traditionally weak in MD, but the recent rise of the Saputra brothers flattens the equation. I think it is 50-50 here. In XD, SIN has a higher-ranked pair, but TPE is capable of fielding a good pair since they have high-class WD and pretty okay MD.

The thing is Thailand must beat England 3-2 for Malaysia to have a semi-final chance. Any other result and Malaysia will finish third. If England wins, it is clear. If Thailand wins by 4-1 or 5-0, then Thailand will finish second and England bottom. If Thailand wins by 3-2, then we will go to the countback on sets, where I think Malaysia will have superiority. The result with China will make no difference, unless Malaysia beats China which is highly unlikely.

Not necessarily. If THA wins 4-1, their game differential becomes W6 L9.
If MAS loses to CHN 1-4, their game differential becomes W6 L9. Because ENG is eliminated with an inferior differential (W4 L11), the head to head tiebreak kicks in between MAS and THA, which MAS has the upperhand.

Not necessarily. If THA wins 4-1, their game differential becomes W6 L9.
If MAS loses to CHN 1-4, their game differential becomes W6 L9. Because ENG is eliminated with an inferior differential (W4 L11), the head to head tiebreak kicks in between MAS and THA, which MAS has the upperhand.

Yes, right. I previously thought only matches involving the 3 teams will be used. I re-read the rules, and all the matches will be taken into account. Forget what I said.

Thanks to event, he answered the first question. As for the 2nd, yes, it is one of the main "badminton cities" in Russia. Currently there are two players from Novosibirsk in the Russian team: Vitalij Durkin and Alexandr Nikolaenko.

That's very cool (cold?:p). Are you a player? What's the standard like in general? BTW, we share the same birthday (not the year though;))

OK, let me post this here, and get your calculators if you want to counter check:-

Say MAS and ENG both win next match (not likely for MAS), CHN will still be group champs based on matches won (no way in hell will CHN lose 5-0), ENG will accompany CHN in 2nd place as they had beaten MAS, irrespective if MAS had a better win-loss match ratio than ENG.

If MAS and ENG both lose (not likely for ENG), then the 2nd place winner will depend on the match win-loss ratio alone. In this case, ENG are not likely to qualify (their best win-loss ratio will be 5-10, assuming they lose 2-3 to THA)

In which case THA need to blank ENG 5-0 to have a ghost of a chance, and MAS have to lose to CHN by 1-4 margin or more. Any other scoreline will let MAS through.

In the other group, INA should be safely through, a 3-2 win over HK is all they need. However the outcome of whether they can avoid CHN is not in their hands anymore. They can be group champs only if DEN qualify for the semis.

But in order to do that, DEN must force a 4-1 or better victory over KOR to accompany INA. Any less and KOR qualify as group champions with INA in 2nd place and a semis date with CHN.

Personally, as a MAS (and INA) fan, I am only hoping for a decent MAS performance against CHN (and stay in Div 1) and INA to qualify for final (where they bite the dust).

OK, let me post this here, and get your calculators if you want to counter check:-

Say MAS and ENG both win next match (not likely for MAS), CHN will still be group champs based on matches won (no way in hell will CHN lose 5-0), ENG will accompany CHN in 2nd place as they had beaten MAS, irrespective if MAS had a better win-loss match ratio than ENG.

If MAS and ENG both lose (not likely for ENG), then the 2nd place winner will depend on the match win-loss ratio alone. In this case, ENG are not likely to qualify (their best win-loss ratio will be 5-10, assuming they lose 2-3 to THA)

In which case THA need to blank ENG 5-0 to have a ghost of a chance, and MAS have to lose to CHN by 1-4 margin or more. Any other scoreline will let MAS through.

In the other group, INA should be safely through, a 3-2 win over HK is all they need. However the outcome of whether they can avoid CHN is not in their hands anymore. They can be group champs only if DEN qualify for the semis.

But in order to do that, DEN must force a 4-1 or better victory over KOR to accompany INA. Any less and KOR qualify as group champions with INA in 2nd place and a semis date with CHN.

Personally, as a MAS (and INA) fan, I am only hoping for a decent MAS performance against CHN (and stay in Div 1) and INA to qualify for final (where they bite the dust).

what if Indonesia win 4-1 or 5 - 0 againts HK and korea lost 2:3 or 1:4 to denmark

whol will be the group winner ?

i observerd mas team matches..

a player who was expected to win failed to deliver a point

first match (TBH/kkk)
second match (WMC)

Say MAS and ENG both win next match (not likely for MAS), CHN will still be group champs based on matches won (no way in hell will CHN lose 5-0), ENG will accompany CHN in 2nd place as they had beaten MAS, irrespective if MAS had a better win-loss match ratio than ENG.


Not true. Malaysia can still finish second.
If MAS beats CHN 3-2, CHN has 12 (5+5+2) won matches, MAS (2+3+3) has 8. ENG take second only if they beat THA 5-0 (3+0+5=8).

Not true. Malaysia can still finish second.
If MAS beats CHN 3-2, CHN has 12 (5+5+2) won matches, MAS (2+3+3) has 8. ENG take second only if they beat THA 5-0 (3+0+5=8).

mas has a chance to beat china 3:2 if the line up as follow:

1. ms: lee chong wei
2. md: TBH/KKK
3. xd: KKK/Wpt

*I guess something mistake with standing position of division 1A chart, it should be MAS is 2nd and ENG at 3rd place. But in the end, MAS has high difficulty to defeat CHN on Thursday's match. Seems ENG has better prospect to accompany CHN in semifinal as runner-up.

-INA vs HKG, obviously 4-1. Yeah, HKG's Yip PY will overcome Maria/Firda
INA will be top of group 1B if DEN beat KOR and automatically set comfort zone to avoid CHN on semifinal scene.

-DEN vs KOR, 3-2 / 2-3. The do-or-die matches in last match of round-robin stage when this 2 teams will show all out performances.
--DEN has slim chance to secure one place in last four because they must win over KOR with score at least 4-1 which quite impossible with DEN squad capability to realize it. MS and MD for DEN ; WD plus XD in KOR advantages meanwhile WS will be the decider.

For those who know how to read chinese, this is how Master Li commented the coming match between China and Malaysia:

http://www.sinchew-i.com/breaking/index.phtml?artid=200706131799&sec=843

it basically means there is no way m'sia can win this match with china, even with a bomb on the back.

i do agree with it realisticaly. but i hope m'sia can spring an upset to make LBY eat his word.
the most we can get is fr men single and MD and that itself is a tall order, a mountain to climb.

The thing is Thailand must beat England 3-2 for Malaysia to have a semi-final chance. Any other result and Malaysia will finish third. If England wins, it is clear. If Thailand wins by 4-1 or 5-0, then Thailand will finish second and England bottom. If Thailand wins by 3-2, then we will go to the countback on sets, where I think Malaysia will have superiority. The result with China will make no difference, unless Malaysia beats China which is highly unlikely.

Assuming Thailand beats England and Malaysia loses to China tomorrow , the final score btw Malaysia and China would be pivotal.


If Malaysia loses by a 0-5 scoreline and Thailand beats England 3-2, all three teams would have the same number of matches won and Malaysia should prevail based on countback.

If Malaysia loses by a 2-3 (or 1-4 ) scoreline and Thailand beats England 5-0 (or 4-1 ) Malaysia and Thailand would have equal number of matches ( seven or six ) won but the winner between the Mal-Thai tie, Malaysia will go to the semifinal.

There are only two scenarios where Thailand will advance
1.Winning 5-0, Malaysia loses 1-4 or 0-5.
2.Winning 4-1, Malaysia loses 0-5

As the tie between Malaysia and China will be played first, four hours earlier than the Thailand-England tie, Thailand would have known their chances of securing a semi-final berth by then. The better Malaysia plays against China, the more unlikely Thailand will go into the semifinal even if they win the tie againt England. This will certainly boast the chances of England if Thailand is not in a high spirit.
If Malaysia wins tomorrow, it will be obviously more direct.

Assuming Thailand beats England and Malaysia loses to China tomorrow , the final score btw Malaysia and China would be pivotal.


If Malaysia loses by a 0-5 scoreline and Thailand beats England 3-2, all three teams would have the same number of matches won and Malaysia should prevail based on countback.

If Malaysia loses by a 2-3 (or 1-4 ) scoreline and Thailand beats England 5-0 (or 4-1 ) Malaysia and Thailand would have equal number of matches ( seven or six ) won but the winner between the Mal-Thai tie, Malaysia will go to the semifinal.

There are only two scenarios where Thailand will advance
1.Winning 5-0, Malaysia loses 1-4 or 0-5.
2.Winning 4-1, Malaysia loses 0-5

As the tie between Malaysia and China will be played first, four hours earlier than the Thailand-England tie, Thailand would have known their chances of securing a semi-final berth by then. The better Malaysia plays against China, the more unlikely Thailand will go into the semifinal even if they win the tie againt England. This will certainly boast the chances of England if Thailand is not in a high spirit.
If Malaysia wins tomorrow, it will be obviously more direct.

the crucial match between Eng and Tha is in the XD. whoever win XD will win 3-2.
Eng knows they just need to win to qualify regardless of other result. and all this calculation will come to nought.


my prediction is:
XD - either way
MS - Tha (Boonsak)
MD - Eng
LS - Tha (based on m'sia beating Eng n lost to Tha)
LD - Eng (same as above LS's reasoning)

Assuming Thailand beats England and Malaysia loses to China tomorrow , the final score btw Malaysia and China would be pivotal.


If Malaysia loses by a 0-5 scoreline and Thailand beats England 3-2, all three teams would have the same number of matches won and Malaysia should prevail based on countback.

If Malaysia loses by a 2-3 (or 1-4 ) scoreline and Thailand beats England 5-0 (or 4-1 ) Malaysia and Thailand would have equal number of matches ( seven or six ) won but the winner between the Mal-Thai tie, Malaysia will go to the semifinal.

There are only two scenarios where Thailand will advance
1.Winning 5-0, Malaysia loses 1-4 or 0-5.
2.Winning 4-1, Malaysia loses 0-5

As the tie between Malaysia and China will be played first, four hours earlier than the Thailand-England tie, Thailand would have known their chances of securing a semi-final berth by then. The better Malaysia plays against China, the more unlikely Thailand will go into the semifinal even if they win the tie againt England. This will certainly boast the chances of England if Thailand is not in a high spirit.
If Malaysia wins tomorrow, it will be obviously more direct.

Thank you for your good deduction.

Thai will win 4-1 and Malaysia will lose 1-4 or 2-3, and so it will be Malaysia into the semis.

MAS does not have to win in order to make LBY eats his words...the only thing MAS should do is to steal one point from any events in the match...
if the one point comes from LCW or KKK/TBH, i'm pretty sure LBY will feel like comitting suicide, figuratively...

(if the one point comes from WMC, i'm sure he will suffer from heart attack...)

that's good enough for me.

MAS does not have to win in order to make LBY eats his words...the only thing MAS should do is to steal one point from any events in the match...
if the one point comes from LCW or KKK/TBH, i'm pretty sure LBY will feel like comitting suicide, figuratively...

(if the one point comes from WMC, i'm sure he will suffer from heart attack...)

that's good enough for me.

If that one point comes from XD, he will retire from coaching !:D Or lose his job.


But if China beats Malaysia 5-0, what happens may I know ? :)

let's hope for the best for MAS....

by the way, rwchen...good analysis.... ;)

[quote=X Ball;593365]If that one point comes from XD, he will retire from coaching !:D Or lose his job.


hahaha... :D

Singapore v Chinese Taipei
1 XD Hendri Kurniawan Saputra/Yujia Li v Chia Hsin Tsai/Shao Chieh Cheng
2 MS Ronald Susilo v Yu Hsing Hsieh
3 WS Li Li v Shao Chieh Cheng
4 MD Hendri Kurniawan Saputra/Hendra Wijaya v Sheng Mu Lee/Chieh Min Fang
5 WD Yanmei Jiang/Yujia Li v Wen Hsing Cheng/Yu Chin Chien

Both teams send their big guns for battle. I predict TPE 3 SIN 2 with the XD being the crucial point (even though it's played first)

it basically means there is no way m'sia can win this match with china, even with a bomb on the back.

i do agree with it realisticaly. but i hope m'sia can spring an upset to make LBY eat his word.
the most we can get is fr men single and MD and that itself is a tall order, a mountain to climb.

I think LYB is determined to crush MAS, grind them to sand, bag 'em and send 'em back to KL. What is is about MAS that gets under LYB's skin?

Singapore v Chinese Taipei
1 XD Hendri Kurniawan Saputra/Yujia Li v Chia Hsin Tsai/Shao Chieh Cheng
2 MS Ronald Susilo v Yu Hsing Hsieh
3 WS Li Li v Shao Chieh Cheng
4 MD Hendri Kurniawan Saputra/Hendra Wijaya v Sheng Mu Lee/Chieh Min Fang
5 WD Yanmei Jiang/Yujia Li v Wen Hsing Cheng/Yu Chin Chien

Both teams send their big guns for battle. I predict TPE 3 SIN 2 with the XD being the crucial point (even though it's played first)

I agree with you the XD is the key as SIN is strong on the men's event and TWN is strong on the ladies'.

But there is also a key factor that Shao Chieh Cheng is playing both XD and WS. If SCC gave all out in the XD first, then Li Li, who in normal circumstances have a 45:55 chance of winning may find that the odd could be in her favour if SCC cannot recover fully in stamina.

This is unlike SIN XD of Li Yujia who would give up the WD (SIN has slim chance for an upset here) and concentrate on the XD.

On this count, I would favour SIN to scrap through narrowly 3:2.

Div 1 Group A

Current position: CHN(2,10-0) ENG(1,3-7) MAS(1,5-5) THA(0,2-8)
Last ties of the group: CHN v MAS, ENG v THA

CHN win, ENG win - CHN(3,x-x) ENG(2,x-x) MAS(1,x-x)

CHN lose, ENG lose - MAS(2,x-x) CHN(2,x-x) THA(1,x-x)

CHN win, ENG lose
CHN 5-0, ENG 2-3 - CHN(3,15-0) ENG,MAS,THA(1,5-10)
- total sets won-lost tiebreak (etc.) for ENG, MAS and THA
CHN 5-0, ENG 1-4 - CHN(3,15-0) THA(1,6-9) MAS(1,5-10)
CHN 5-0, ENG 0-5 - CHN(3,15-0) THA(1,7-8) MAS(1,5-10)
CHN 4-1, ENG 2-3 - CHN(3,14-1) MAS(1,6-9) THA(1,5-10)
CHN 4-1, ENG 1-4 - CHN(3,14-1) MAS(1,6-9) THA(1,6-9)
CHN 4-1, ENG 0-5 - CHN(3,14-1) THA(1,7-8) MAS(1,6-9)
CHN 3-2, ENG 2-3 - CHN(3,13-2) MAS(1,7-8) THA(1,5-10)
CHN 3-2, ENG 1-4 - CHN(3,13-2) MAS(1,7-8) THA(1,6-9)
CHN 3-2, ENG 0-5 - CHN(3,13-2) MAS(1,7-8) THA(1,7-8)

Good news for Malaysia is that it is very difficult for them to finish bottom, even given a 5-0 loss to China. But avoiding a 5-0 drubbing will make real sure. If England lose, there is a considerable chance they finish bottom.

CHN lose, ENG win - highly unlikely, THA finish bottom
CHN 2-3, ENG 5-0 - CHN(2,12-3) ENG(2,8-7) MAS(2,8-7)
CHN 2-3, ENG 4-1 - CHN(2,12-3) MAS(2,8-7) ENG(2,7-8)
CHN 2-3, ENG 3-2 - CHN(2,12-3) MAS(2,8-7) ENG(2,6-9)
CHN 1-4, ENG 5-0 - CHN(2,11-4) MAS(2,9-8) ENG(2,8-7)
CHN 1-4, ENG 4-1 - CHN(2,11-4) MAS(2,9-8) ENG(2,7-8)
CHN 1-4, ENG 3-2 - CHN(2,11-4) MAS(2,9-8) ENG(2,6-9)
CHN 0-5, ENG 5-0 - MAS(2,10-5) CHN(2,10-5) ENG(2,8-7)
CHN 0-5, ENG 4-1 - MAS(2,10-5) CHN(2,10-5) ENG(2,7-8)
CHN 0-5, ENG 3-2 - MAS(2,10-5) CHN(2,10-5) ENG(2,6-9)

haizz....dont knw why malaysia could lose2 england....tats so disappointing...haizz...

The current situation in Group B in terms of matches won/loss:
KOR 7-3
INA 6-4
DEN 4-6
HKG 3-7

So, KOR will top the group if they beat DEN. If INA beat HKG 4-1 and DEN beat KOR 3-2, the situation will be:
INA 10-5
KOR 9-6
DEN 7-8
HKG 4-11

In this case, INA will top the group and KOR will be runner-up. Am I right in saying that?

I think LYB is determined to crush MAS, grind them to sand, bag 'em and send 'em back to KL. What is is about MAS that gets under LYB's skin?

It is about LCW challenging LD,BAO,CJ and CY. It is about Li Mao being hired before as coach. It is about KKK-TBH giving CAI-FU the beating in several big tournaments and potentially more in the future. It is also about the annoyance Malaysian fans gave him about his shouting to BAO to break LCW's leg. And more except my memory cannot recall !

If that one point comes from XD, he will retire from coaching !:D Or lose his job.


But if China beats Malaysia 5-0, what happens may I know ? :)

Provided that Thailand beats England 3-2, Malaysia should still earn a semifinal berth based on countback. I am sure you would be praying hard that Thailand does Malaysia a favour.

Gut feeling, Malaysia stands a slim chance of handing China their first defeat since 2003 in Sudirman Cup. China has topped Group A without much challenges (unless Malaysia wins by a 5-0 margin) and they may take the consequences for taking the tie against Malaysia lightly.

well, just accept it ! MAS is going to play in classification maybe 5 - 6 placing..just glad we able to maintain in Group 1...for the coming S cup..and remember!...this is the first time MAS play in Group 1...U know...experient wise we are lacking..in this competetion...compared to ENG and THA...they have played in group one for so many times...already...think positive...OK!

Guys, if CHN lose and ENG win, both will still go thru at the expense of MAS. When 3 teams are tied on ties won, the winner is taken from the total matches won and lost, if tied, then the total games won and lost (that would be CHN). The runnerup is taken from the winner of the match between the other two (ENG and MAS). Doesn't matter if MAS beat CHN 5-0 and ENG beat THA 3-2.

taufik-ist, similarly, in your scenario, INA will be champs and DEN will join them in 2nd place (by virtue of beating KOR).

Div 1 Group A

Current position: CHN(2,10-0) ENG(1,3-7) MAS(1,5-5) THA(0,2-8)
Last ties of the group: CHN v MAS, ENG v THA

CHN win, ENG win - CHN(3,x-x) ENG(2,x-x) MAS(1,x-x)

CHN lose, ENG lose - MAS(2,x-x) CHN(2,x-x) THA(1,x-x)

CHN win, ENG lose
CHN 5-0, ENG 2-3 - CHN(3,15-0) ENG,MAS,THA(1,5-10)
- total sets won-lost tiebreak (etc.) for ENG, MAS and THA
CHN 5-0, ENG 1-4 - CHN(3,15-0) THA(1,6-9) MAS(1,5-10)
CHN 5-0, ENG 0-5 - CHN(3,15-0) THA(1,7-8) MAS(1,5-10)
CHN 4-1, ENG 2-3 - CHN(3,14-1) MAS(1,6-9) THA(1,5-10)
CHN 4-1, ENG 1-4 - CHN(3,14-1) MAS(1,6-9) THA(1,6-9)
CHN 4-1, ENG 0-5 - CHN(3,14-1) THA(1,7-8) MAS(1,6-9)
CHN 3-2, ENG 2-3 - CHN(3,13-2) MAS(1,7-8) THA(1,5-10)
CHN 3-2, ENG 1-4 - CHN(3,13-2) MAS(1,7-8) THA(1,6-9)
CHN 3-2, ENG 0-5 - CHN(3,13-2) MAS(1,7-8) THA(1,7-8)

Good news for Malaysia is that it is very difficult for them to finish bottom, even given a 5-0 loss to China. But avoiding a 5-0 drubbing will make real sure. If England lose, there is a considerable chance they finish bottom.

CHN lose, ENG win - highly unlikely, THA finish bottom
CHN 2-3, ENG 5-0 - CHN(2,12-3) ENG(2,8-7) MAS(2,8-7)
CHN 2-3, ENG 4-1 - CHN(2,12-3) MAS(2,8-7) ENG(2,7-8)
CHN 2-3, ENG 3-2 - CHN(2,12-3) MAS(2,8-7) ENG(2,6-9)
CHN 1-4, ENG 5-0 - CHN(2,11-4) MAS(2,9-8) ENG(2,8-7)
CHN 1-4, ENG 4-1 - CHN(2,11-4) MAS(2,9-8) ENG(2,7-8)
CHN 1-4, ENG 3-2 - CHN(2,11-4) MAS(2,9-8) ENG(2,6-9)
CHN 0-5, ENG 5-0 - MAS(2,10-5) CHN(2,10-5) ENG(2,8-7)
CHN 0-5, ENG 4-1 - MAS(2,10-5) CHN(2,10-5) ENG(2,7-8)
CHN 0-5, ENG 3-2 - MAS(2,10-5) CHN(2,10-5) ENG(2,6-9)

Bloody hell :D:D, did you get your degree in Stats or something :D:D
Would be all for nought if CHN won (as they're expected to) and ENG won

It is about LCW challenging LD,BAO,CJ and CY. It is about Li Mao being hired before as coach. It is about KKK-TBH giving CAI-FU the beating in several big tournament and potentially more. It is about all the annoyance Malaysian fans gave him about his shouting to BAO to break LCW's leg. And more except my memories cannot recall !

Lots of bad blood there.

For MAS vs CHN, i have a strong feeling that MAS will lost 0-5 to CHN...Hope that i am wrong..

Bloody hell :D:D, did you get your degree in Stats or something :D:D
Would be all for nought if CHN won (as they're expected to) and ENG won

That's why I do not expect MAS to qualify, but I do expect them to play their hearts out and give a significant challenge.

Provided that Thailand beats England 3-2, Malaysia should still earn a semifinal berth based on countback. I am sure you would be praying hard that Thailand does Malaysia a favour.

Gut feeling, Malaysia stands a slim chance of handing China their first defeat since 2003 in Sudirman Cup. China has topped Group A without much challenges (unless Malaysia wins by a 5-0 margin) and they may take the consequences for taking the tie against Malaysia lightly.

THA for sure is going all out,....they wanted to prevent themselve from dropping to group 2...for next S cup...and 1 prediction is,

MS- THA for sure
WS - THA quite sure
MD - ENG quite sure
WD - depend on who play for THA and ENG send who to play....strategy!!!
XD - 50 - 50 ENG have slight edge....pray for THA

That mean, THA needs one point from WDn and XD..and ENG needs to win both WD and XD to excel....go for it THA..

Anyway, 5-6th placing match is kinda interesting too, MAS vs KOR/DEN.

Div 1 Group A


CHN win, ENG lose
CHN 5-0, ENG 2-3 - CHN(3,15-0) ENG,MAS,THA(1,5-10)
- total sets won-lost tiebreak (etc.) for ENG, MAS and THA
CHN 5-0, ENG 1-4 - CHN(3,15-0) THA(1,6-9) MAS(1,5-10)
CHN 5-0, ENG 0-5 - CHN(3,15-0) THA(1,7-8) MAS(1,5-10)
CHN 4-1, ENG 2-3 - CHN(3,14-1) MAS(1,6-9) THA(1,5-10)
CHN 4-1, ENG 1-4 - CHN(3,14-1) MAS(1,6-9) THA(1,6-9)
CHN 4-1, ENG 0-5 - CHN(3,14-1) THA(1,7-8) MAS(1,6-9)
CHN 3-2, ENG 2-3 - CHN(3,13-2) MAS(1,7-8) THA(1,5-10)
CHN 3-2, ENG 1-4 - CHN(3,13-2) MAS(1,7-8) THA(1,6-9)
CHN 3-2, ENG 0-5 - CHN(3,13-2) MAS(1,7-8) THA(1,7-8)

Good news for Malaysia is that it is very difficult for them to finish bottom, even given a 5-0 loss to China. But avoiding a 5-0 drubbing will make real sure. If England lose, there is a considerable chance they finish bottom.

CHN lose, ENG win - highly unlikely, THA finish bottom
CHN 2-3, ENG 5-0 - CHN(2,12-3) ENG(2,8-7) MAS(2,8-7)
CHN 2-3, ENG 4-1 - CHN(2,12-3) MAS(2,8-7) ENG(2,7-8)
CHN 2-3, ENG 3-2 - CHN(2,12-3) MAS(2,8-7) ENG(2,6-9)
CHN 1-4, ENG 5-0 - CHN(2,11-4) MAS(2,9-8) ENG(2,8-7)
CHN 1-4, ENG 4-1 - CHN(2,11-4) MAS(2,9-8) ENG(2,7-8)
CHN 1-4, ENG 3-2 - CHN(2,11-4) MAS(2,9-8) ENG(2,6-9)
CHN 0-5, ENG 5-0 - MAS(2,10-5) CHN(2,10-5) ENG(2,8-7)
CHN 0-5, ENG 4-1 - MAS(2,10-5) CHN(2,10-5) ENG(2,7-8)
CHN 0-5, ENG 3-2 - MAS(2,10-5) CHN(2,10-5) ENG(2,6-9)

look at the probability, MAS has a high chance. 5 out 8 scenarios MAS will end up 2nd for both outcomes.

Sudirman Cup Div 1 - Group A
Sudirman Cup Div 1 - Group A
Ranking

http://www.internationalbadminton.org/PDF%20-%20Regulations/214%20SUDIRMAN%20CUP%20REGULATIONS.pdf (http://www.internationalbadminton.org/PDF%20-%20Regulations/214%20SUDIRMAN%20CUP%20REGULATIONS.pdf)

5.5 Ranking order in the sub-groups

5.5.1 If two teams have won the same number of ties, the ranking will be decided by the result of the tie between them.

5.5.2 If three or more teams have won the same number of ties, ranking will be decided by the total number of matches won. If this leaves two teams equal, ranking will be decided by the result of the tie between them.

5.5.3 If three or more teams have won the same number of ties and the same number of matches, ranking will be decided by the difference between total games won and total games lost, with greater difference ranked higher. If this leaves two teams equal, ranking will be decided by the result of the tie between them.

5.5.4 If three or more teams have won the same number of ties and the same number of matches and have the same difference between total games won and total games lost, ranking will be decided by the difference between total points won and total points lost, with greater difference ranked higher. If this leaves two teams equal, ranking will be decided by the result of the tie between them.


5.5.5 If three or more teams have won the same number of ties and the same number of matches, have the same difference between total games won and total games lost, and have the same difference between total points won and total points lost, ranking will be decided by drawing lots.


If 5.5.2 is valid, then MAS should be ahead of ENG in of terms of "ranking", unless the table is wrong.

Bloody hell :D:D, did you get your degree in Stats or something :D:D
Would be all for nought if CHN won (as they're expected to) and ENG won

Or U should think this way....in order to avoid INA in SF..CHN will "let":o MAS to win and hoping to stay a 2nd place to play KOR as they have overall advantage in men and women section...compared to INA...CHN have less advantage in Men section...:rolleyes:.........:D:D:D:D

well, just accept it ! MAS is going to play in classification maybe 5 - 6 placing..just glad we able to maintain in Group 1...for the coming S cup..and remember!...this is the first time MAS play in Group 1...U know...experient wise we are lacking..in this competetion...compared to ENG and THA...they have played in group one for so many times...already...think positive...OK!

maybe u r rite...:D:D..BUT, since there's still hope, certainly those who support MAS,including me, will want MAS to qualify!!!:cool:

MAS CAN beat CHN, Why not??:p:p

THAI can beat ENG as well....:D:D

(my quick take as the group plays come to an end)..:cool:
Looking realistically ahead to Group 1B, and with KOR winning over DEN, if INA finishes in 2nd place, i wouldn't be surprised to see a shake up in the lineup when they play CHN..:p
I have a hunch there will be a lineup change; and it will be in the XD and possibly MD events.
Depending on the order of play, I would expect to see INA to feature the steadier Flandy Limpele, in place of Nova, and an "unknown" partner for the XD match. Who could that "unknown" partner be, well, it could be either Vita or Lilyana. I would assume they will "give away" the WD(as well as the WS) matches to CHN, thus the possibility of Vita *not playing* in the WD match is bigger.
Now as for the MD, INA could make a surprise lineup as well. Who knows, *IF* it comes down to the last match and that last match is the MD, we might finally see a Candra+"unknown" player vs. CHN...:confused:;)

Of course, that tie will ultimately come down to the MS match, as a huge battle between Lin Dan vs. Taufik looms, again..:p:D;):cool:

**If INA finishes in 1st place in their group, then the scenario above is moot:p...

Bloody hell :D:D, did you get your degree in Stats or something :D:D
Would be all for nought if CHN won (as they're expected to) and ENG won
Both hcyong and dmitry's input are crucial in case the organisers get their Maths wrong so MAS (known for their weak Maths) can use them to double check.

It is about LCW challenging LD,BAO,CJ and CY. It is about Li Mao being hired before as coach. It is about KKK-TBH giving CAI-FU the beating in several big tournaments and potentially more in the future. It is also about the annoyance Malaysian fans gave him about his shouting to BAO to break LCW's leg. And more except my memory cannot recall !


when did Li Mao asked BAO to break LCW's leg..?

he is mean!!!

Both hcyong and dmitry's input are crucial in case the organisers get their Maths wrong so MAS (known for their weak Maths) can use them to double check.

hahahaha that's bloody funny :D:D:D:D:D:D

(my quick take as the group plays come to an end)..:cool:
Looking realistically ahead to Group 1B, and with KOR winning over DEN, if INA finishes in 2nd place, i wouldn't be surprised to see a shake up in the lineup when they play CHN..:p
I have a hunch there will be a lineup change; and it will be in the XD and possibly MD.
Depending on the order of play, I would expect to see INA to feature the steadier Flandy Limpele, in place of Nova, and an "unknown" partner for the XD match. Who could that "unknown" partner be, well, it could be either Vita or Lilyana. I would assume they will "give away" the WD(as well as the WS) matches to CHN, thus the possibility of Vita *not playing* in the WD is bigger.
Now as for the MD, INA could make a surprise lineup as well. Who knows, we might finally see a Candra+"unknown" player vs. CHN...:confused:;)

Of course, that tie will ultimately come down to the MS match, as a huge battle between Lin Dan vs. Taufik looms, again..:p:D;):cool:

No matter who China plays, the key is still the XD as China is quite untouchable in the WS and WD. China MS and MD are not 100% quarantee as the current Super Series results show. China knew it and so are other countries, that you want to get any points from China, the best chance are from their MS and MD.

As long as China does not lost the key XD, which they have not so far, then it does not really matter what the outcome are from the MS and MD.

Well, looks like the SIN-TPE match is over even before it started if XD is the crucial match. Hendri and Li are absolutely smoking the TPE duo 21-10, 18-12

If 5.5.2 is valid, then MAS should be ahead of ENG in of terms of "ranking", unless the table is wrong.

OK. ENG is ahead of MAS [although MAS (1-5-5) vs ENG (1-3-7)] in ranking because ENG beat MAS. :D:p

Well, looks like the SIN-TPE match is over even before it started if XD is the crucial match. Hendri and Li are absolutely smoking the TPE duo 21-10, 18-12

Already started???

Good for SIN. Now for the MS and MD to play normally and SIN will be home and dry. :)

Div 1 Group A

Current position: CHN(2,10-0) ENG(1,3-7) MAS(1,5-5) THA(0,2-8)
Last ties of the group: CHN v MAS, ENG v THA

CHN win, ENG win - CHN(3,x-x) ENG(2,x-x) MAS(1,x-x)

CHN lose, ENG lose - MAS(2,x-x) CHN(2,x-x) THA(1,x-x)

CHN win, ENG lose
CHN 5-0, ENG 2-3 - CHN(3,15-0) ENG,MAS,THA(1,5-10)
- total sets won-lost tiebreak (etc.) for ENG, MAS and THA
CHN 5-0, ENG 1-4 - CHN(3,15-0) THA(1,6-9) MAS(1,5-10)
CHN 5-0, ENG 0-5 - CHN(3,15-0) THA(1,7-8) MAS(1,5-10)
CHN 4-1, ENG 2-3 - CHN(3,14-1) MAS(1,6-9) THA(1,5-10)
CHN 4-1, ENG 1-4 - CHN(3,14-1) MAS(1,6-9) THA(1,6-9)
CHN 4-1, ENG 0-5 - CHN(3,14-1) THA(1,7-8) MAS(1,6-9)
CHN 3-2, ENG 2-3 - CHN(3,13-2) MAS(1,7-8) THA(1,5-10)
CHN 3-2, ENG 1-4 - CHN(3,13-2) MAS(1,7-8) THA(1,6-9)
CHN 3-2, ENG 0-5 - CHN(3,13-2) MAS(1,7-8) THA(1,7-8)

Good news for Malaysia is that it is very difficult for them to finish bottom, even given a 5-0 loss to China. But avoiding a 5-0 drubbing will make real sure. If England lose, there is a considerable chance they finish bottom.

CHN lose, ENG win - highly unlikely, THA finish bottom
CHN 2-3, ENG 5-0 - CHN(2,12-3) ENG(2,8-7) MAS(2,8-7)
CHN 2-3, ENG 4-1 - CHN(2,12-3) MAS(2,8-7) ENG(2,7-8)
CHN 2-3, ENG 3-2 - CHN(2,12-3) MAS(2,8-7) ENG(2,6-9)
CHN 1-4, ENG 5-0 - CHN(2,11-4) MAS(2,9-8) ENG(2,8-7)
CHN 1-4, ENG 4-1 - CHN(2,11-4) MAS(2,9-8) ENG(2,7-8)
CHN 1-4, ENG 3-2 - CHN(2,11-4) MAS(2,9-8) ENG(2,6-9)
CHN 0-5, ENG 5-0 - MAS(2,10-5) CHN(2,10-5) ENG(2,8-7)
CHN 0-5, ENG 4-1 - MAS(2,10-5) CHN(2,10-5) ENG(2,7-8)
CHN 0-5, ENG 3-2 - MAS(2,10-5) CHN(2,10-5) ENG(2,6-9)

Wow, U are really good in culculation,,,fantastic.....that means MAS have to lost at least 1 - 4 to CHN and hoping THA to over come ENG at least 3 - 2 to advance to SF....and THA will have to win at 5 - 0 over ENG in order put themselve in SF... and ENG have to win over THA at lest 3 - 2 to go tru to SF...wow...interesting.........the situation become interesting after MAS lost to ENG in the opening match....:o:D:o:D

Already started???

Good for SIN. Now for the MS and MD to play normally and SIN will be home and dry. :)

SIN won easily 21-10, 21-15

Ronald up next and should cruise

Div 1 Group B

Current position: KOR(2,7-3) INA(1,6-4) DEN(1,4-6) HKG(0,3-7)
Last ties of the group: KOR v DEN, INA v HKG
I will not consider situations where INA loses.

KOR win, INA win - KOR(3,x-x) INA(2,x-x) DEN(1,x-x)

KOR lose, INA win
KOR 2-3, INA 5-0 - INA(2,11-4) KOR(2,9-6) DEN(2,7-8)
KOR 2-3, INA 4-1 - INA(2,10-5) KOR(2,9-6) DEN(2,7-8)
KOR 2-3, INA 3-2 - KOR(2,9-6) INA(2,9-6) DEN(2,7-8)
KOR 1-4, INA 5-0 - INA(2,11-4) DEN(2,8-7) KOR(2,8-7)
KOR 1-4, INA 4-1 - INA(2,10-5) DEN(2,8-7) KOR(2,8-7)
KOR 1-4, INA 3-2 - INA(2,9-6) DEN(2,8-7) KOR(2,8-7)
KOR 0-5, INA 5-0 - INA(2,11-4) DEN(2,9-6) KOR(2,7-8)
KOR 0-5, INA 4-1 - INA(2,10-5) DEN(2,9-6) KOR(2,7-8)
KOR 0-5, INA 3-2 - INA(2,9-6) DEN(2,9-6) KOR(2,7-8)

Basically, if KOR loses by 4-1 or 5-0, then INA will top the group with DEN second. If KOR loses by 3-2, then both KOR and INA will go to the semis, more likely INA will top the group. INA must win by 4-1 to make sure they take full advantage of a Korean slip-up.

No matter who China plays, the key is still the XD as China is quite untouchable in the WS and WD. China MS and MD are not 100% quarantee as the current Super Series results show. China knew it and so are other countries, that you want to get any points from China, the best chance are from their MS and MD.

As long as China does not lost the key XD, which they have not so far, then it does not really matter what the outcome are from the MS and MD.
..actually their MD pairing in CY & FHF have become quite formidable, esp. after their back to back SE Asian victories..That's why *IF* INA wants to have a fighting chance in an upset:p, they have to play the cards right. Feature the ones that are consistent and dependable.
So, here's my proposed lineup, not in any order:
MS-Taufik(stamina could be key for him, but if he gets extra rest, who knows):p
WS-?????(loss)
MD-Candra+????
WD-????(loss)
XD-Flandy(please, please, please no more Nova for any big matches:p:crying::()+????...this is crucial, esp. if XD is the opening match, just like what happened 2 yrs ago in CHN..:p

maybe u r rite...:D:D..BUT, since there's still hope, certainly those who support MAS,including me, will want MAS to qualify!!!:cool:

MAS CAN beat CHN, Why not??:p:p

THAI can beat ENG as well....:D:D

U are right too, what i means was be contented for able to keep in Group 1 and still strive for a better results....in the group cos its not over yet..:D:D

SIN won easily 21-10, 21-15

Ronald up next and should cruise

Go on Singapore! Majulah Singapura!
Let's make it to Div 1 and join the top badminton nations! :)

maybe u r rite...:D:D..BUT, since there's still hope, certainly those who support MAS,including me, will want MAS to qualify!!!:cool:

MAS CAN beat CHN, Why not??:p:p

THAI can beat ENG as well....:D:D
Agree with your attitude.
Look at it this way. MAS started off badly against ENG because they underestimated them. WMC lost to Salakit P. cos she underestimated her.(and SP let go the 2nd game both to conserve energy and to fool WMC.)Both MAS MD and WS had their wakeup calls so they should be sharper as well since there's one day rest. LCW don't need wakeup calls. He's dying to meet LD. Unfortunately, aware of LCW's form,LYB may field CJ. LCW is ready, doesn't matter whether CHN MS is LD or CJ.With WCH/WPT as XD, upset is possible cos of surprise element. For WD which is a dead loss ,save WPT some energy and partner CEH with the XD MJ for some fun!
The crucial element will be how well the coaches figure out the pre-match strategy. Get them right and MAS will win.Then LYB will have to stitch up his mouth.

today/tonight could be a bit slow in BC, as M'sia is not playing;)...tomorrow, look for a possible full-house in here with all the M'sian fans coming in full-board...:p:D;):cool:..

If 5.5.2 is valid, then MAS should be ahead of ENG in of terms of "ranking", unless the table is wrong.

5.5.1 comes first.

Since the Group 1A last match will play 2moro.,,,...CHN have the advantage to choose their opponent in the SF....i think they would like to avoid INA...like i said in the previous post....

Go on Singapore! Majulah Singapura!
Let's make it to Div 1 and join the top badminton nations! :)

I second that! :)

I believe this year we have quite a balanced team of men and ladies in Group 2 and certainly will giave Japan a run of their money to be the champion of Group 2 and gain promotion to Group 1.

Ronald has taken the 1st game 21-14

nah, there's no way MAS can beat CHN, our only hope to to get a point and hope that THA beats ENG. possibility of getting a point from MS or MD, LCW has been regaining some consistency but it'll be tough against LD, KKK/TBH are very unpredictable these days ... i think WS, WD and XD are a lost cause.

I second that! :)

I believe this year we have quite a balanced team of men and ladies in Group 2 and certainly will giave Japan a run of their money to be the champion of Group 2 and gain promotion to Group 1.

On paper, JAP looks stronger but as the cliche goes, matches are not played on paper but on the court. Take the ENG defeat of MAS as a prime example. JAP has advantage in WS and WD. I give SIN the edge in XD and a slight one in MS. All comes down to MD which I have to say JAP is a slight favourite

Well, looks like the SIN-TPE match is over even before it started if XD is the crucial match. Hendri and Li are absolutely smoking the TPE duo 21-10, 18-12
I wouldn't be so sure if what I observed about TPE MDs during ABC is right. They are capable of upsetting SIN MD. And CSC is using the XD as warmup for WS. She has tons of energy and deception (most scary, only XHW can handle; XXF failed)

... Feature the ones that are consistent and dependable.
So, here's my proposed lineup, not in any order:
MS-Taufik(stamina could be key for him, but if he gets extra rest, who knows):p
WS-?????(loss)
MD-Candra+????
WD-????(loss)
XD-Flandy(please, please, please no more Nova for any big matches:p:crying::()+????...this is crucial, esp. if XD is the opening match, just like what happened 2 yrs ago in CHN..:p

That's exactly my point too.
How can you put up a team of XD that have not played before in big matches like this and hope to beat a "consistent and dependable" China XD that have won 4 out of the 6 Super series so far?

I wouldn't be so sure if what I observed about TPE MDs during ABC is right. They are capable of upsetting SIN MD. And CSC is using the XD as warmup for WS. She has tons of energy and deception (most scary, only XHW can handle; XXF failed)

Definitely not underestimating TPE players. I mean, look, Hsieh is way ahead of Ronald 11-5 in the 2nd game.

I second that! :)

I believe this year we have quite a balanced team of men and ladies in Group 2 and certainly will giave Japan a run of their money to be the champion of Group 2 and gain promotion to Group 1.

Singapore are the top seed in Div 2 (Japan second seed), but I expect a 50-50 encounter. Sharing the singles points, it is about who wins the doubles war.

Of course, Singapore still has to overcome Taiwan.

I wouldn't be so sure if what I observed about TPE MDs during ABC is right. They are capable of upsetting SIN MD. And CSC is using the XD as warmup for WS. She has tons of energy and deception (most scary, only XHW can handle; XXF failed)

For the TWN MD to win, yes it needs to be an upset. But under normal circumstances, SIN MD should win.

I have written off SIN's WS and WD. TPE is too strong in these 2 events.

For the TWN MD to win, yes it needs to be an upset. But under normal circumstances, SIN MD should win.

I have written off SIN's WS and WD. TPE is too strong in these 2 events.

wut u mean under normal circumastances....and sin md should win
an upset could happen
the tw md r young and willing to challenge
just look at the result from asian champ

Ronald making a charge down 14-16 now

For the TWN MD to win, yes it needs to be an upset. But under normal circumstances, SIN MD should win.

I have written off SIN's WS and WD. TPE is too strong in these 2 events.


I'm keeping my fingers crossed and hope that Ronald can win us a point. Hope also that our ladies will also be up to the task!

Singapore are the top seed in Div 2 (Japan second seed), but I expect a 50-50 encounter. Sharing the singles points, it is about who wins the doubles war.

Of course, Singapore still has to overcome Taiwan.

Actually I considered TPE as a bigger threat than JPN, but somehow we are in the same sub-group.

The reason I said that is TPE is too strong on the ladies event that SIN has literally no chance of getting any points there, so it is 0-2 before the match starts. SIN has to depend on XD, MS and MD to beat TPE.

But against JPN, our WS and WD have a better chance to win against the JPN opponent than of TPE.

Taiwan MD pairs are quite strong. In my books, SIN are only slight favourites for MD.

Ronald doing his best to finish it in 2 games. Pulls even at 18-18

Yah! Ronald won! 2:0 to SIN!

But against JPN, our WS and WD have a better chance to win against the JPN opponent than of TPE.

Yeah but balance that with stronger JAP MS and MD. That said, SIN XD could make the difference

Actually I considered TPE as a bigger threat than JPN, but somehow we are in the same sub-group.

The reason I said that is TPE is too strong on the ladies event that SIN has literally no chance of getting any points there, so it is 0-2 before the match starts. SIN has to depend on XD, MS and MD to beat TPE.

But against JPN, our WS and WD have a better chance to win against the JPN opponent than of TPE.

I consider both TPE and JPN very tough opponents for SIN. May team spirit in the Singapore camp prevail to give us that illusive point!

Actually I considered TPE as a bigger threat than JPN, but somehow we are in the same sub-group.

The reason I said that is TPE is too strong on the ladies event that SIN has literally no chance of getting any points there, so it is 0-2 before the match starts. SIN has to depend on XD, MS and MD to beat TPE.

But against JPN, our WS and WD have a better chance to win against the JPN opponent than of TPE.
Have you seen JPN WS and WD play? The Three KOs will knock out SIN WS and WD.

Well you SIN supporters, good luck. I'm out ;)

That's exactly my point too.
How can you put up a team of XD that have not played before in big matches like this and hope to beat a "consistent and dependable" China XD that have won 4 out of the 6 Super series so far?
..yes, i can understand your point and of course it'll be a very big task..But i would rather feature a more consistent & stable Flandy+??? over Nova, esp. in "big", "pressure-cooker" situation..We've(esp. INA fans) seen what Nova can/can not bring in these situations...And if one compares both pairs' record(Nova+Lilyana vs. Flandy+Vita), i would assume the latter have performed much more consistently for the 1st half of this yr...;)
Anyways, sorry guys for going a bit off topic, as we're still in group play mode..Hope this can be discuss again once the Semifinalists are revealed.:p;)

I consider both TPE and JPN very tough opponents for SIN. May team spirit in the Singapore camp prevail to give us that illusive point!

Of course, they are all worthy opponents.

I am about the sign off for the day. Last check shows Li Li is leading CSC 8:3 in the first set. Would this be an upset?

Have you seen JPN WS and WD play? The Three KOs will knock out SIN WS and WD.

Yes I did. I was comparing the TPE WS and WD with JPN WS and WDn and see which are the relatively tougher opponent.

I don't think LCW will have a chance against LD, and also the MD is a lost hope. I only think in WD they have a chance :cool:

Have you seen JPN WS and WD play? The Three KOs will knock out SIN WS and WD.

Well, Reiko/Kumiko are about on-par with Jiang/Li (whereas Cheng/Chien are a notch above), so no assured point there. However, Japan has a very balanced team; its MS, MD and XD can deliver points.

2007 Sudirman Cup – Day 3 - Wednesday

INA 4-1 HK :(YPY for HK)

KOR 3-2 DEN :(Gade for DEN and all three doubles for KOR.Maybe Hwang
Hye Youn or Lee Yun Hwa can win over Rasmussen, Tine )

SIN 2-3 TP :(Susilo, Ronald or Lee, Kendrick can get a point for SIN
while CSC will win over LI Li or XING Aiying,I think;And MX for SIN
because they have Saputra, Hendri Kurniawan/Li, Yujia;WD and MD all
goes to TP)

GER 4-1 SWD:( WD )

JPN 5-0 RUS

POL ?-? NED(NED singles can take thier games)

(Ed: Live scoring link:

http://tournamentsoftware.com/sport/matches.aspx?id=15280&day=122000

)

POL 3-2 NED ... dutch doubles are lousy :rolleyes:.

I don't think LCW will have a chance against LD, and also the MD is a lost hope. I only think in WD they have a chance :cool:

It seems like LCW is playing with renewed vigour in this SC. OK, no disrespect to AS, but I think he could be the weakest MS in Div 1. But the way LCW won against a fresh Boonsak will surely put him in a right frame of mind against LD or CJ (Dun think CHN wud risk Bao after his recent loss to LCW in IO) , LCW has a fighting chance.
KKK/TBH can beat CY/FHF. They have done it before, so no reason why they cant repeat it here.
WMC. What can I say? Just hope that she can hit form and take it to rubbers.
XD. Nothing to say here. Just simply no hope (even if we put WCH/WPT) I wud prefer to let it go and let WPT be fresh for the WD.
WD. CHN's WD just seems too strong here.

Overall, I feel MAS shud be able to nick 1 point from either MS or MD.

Overall, I feel MAS shud be able to nick 1 point from either MS or MD.

Nick 1 point, I'll be happy.
Nick 2, I'll be esctatic.
Nick 3, I may die.

How come today's thread is peppered with Malaysia even though not playing today?

Looks like Cheng Shao Chieh is running away with the match after failing to complete a comeback in the first set. She is supremely fit. Only a while ago, she was playing in the XD.

Ooops... spoken too quickly. Li Li strung a few points in a row. Anyway, if Cheng wins, the MD should decide the winner.

Australia has an unassailable 3-0 lead against Spain and tops the group. They will be favourites for promotion to Division 3. They will face either Bulgaria or Czech Republic in the promotion playoff.

cheng shao chieh beat li li in 3 sets
15-21 21-11 21-16

germany made the first 3 points over sweden..hope they'll make the 2 others too..:rolleyes:

Forgotten about Germany. Even if Singapore wins today, they still have Germany to contend with tomorrow. A match that cannot be taken lightly.

thats right...the germans have nothing to lose...hope they´ll try their best and win :rolleyes:
but thats very difficult without best mens single player bjoern joppien...

i'm betting on singapore vs japan for a place in division 1 in the next tournament. i'll say the singaporean men are stronger, but the japanese women certainly have the advantage. it'll be an interesting contest.

No, you are mistaken: in this case THA will be the third with 1 win and 2 loses, so the regulations 5.5.2 - 5.5.5 must be applied. MAS still has chances!;)

wat is drawing lots? is it the seeding?
:confused::confused:

SIngapore MD closing up the gap from 18-20 to 21-20....

singapore MD won...congrats

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it's the line-up INA againt HKG... quite risky with most of them are new here plus firdasari is somehow injured...

we'll see about the chance of INA top their group...

wat is drawing lots? is it the seeding?
:confused::confused:

Drawing lots is like tossing the coin or something. That means putting everything to luck. But it is extremely unlikely to happen.

germany is 4:0 in lead...go double girls and take the 5th point... make singapore frightened of us^^

Singapore had won over CTP, most likely a 3-2 victory

when did Li Mao asked BAO to break LCW's leg..?

he is mean!!!

not li mao but is li yongbo asked bao's to break lcw's leg..:mad:

Fang, Chieh Min/Lee, Sheng Mu 18-21,20-22 SIN double
Why not Tsai Chia Hsin/Hu Chung Hsien????????
They played very well against KOO/TAN at Johor Bahru.

http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=32943&stc=1&d=1181706563

taufik with full determination :)...

taufik seems in good shape and also looks more muscular :D

http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=32943&stc=1&d=1181706563

taufik with full determination :)...

taufik seems in good shape and also looks more muscular :D


you mean more chubby :)

he looks like he just smelt something bad ... maybe his opponent farted ...

http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=32943&stc=1&d=1181706563

taufik with full determination :)...

taufik seems in good shape and also looks more muscular :D

flandy/vuta just won 1st set 21:10

nah, there's no way MAS can beat CHN, our only hope to to get a point and hope that THA beats ENG. possibility of getting a point from MS or MD, LCW has been regaining some consistency but it'll be tough against LD, KKK/TBH are very unpredictable these days ... i think WS, WD and XD are a lost cause.
I may be wrong but my guess is LYB will field CJ for THU and BCL for FRI since these are no risk matches.Whatever happens, CHN is assured of SF. He will use CJ to check out LCW. He 's not ready to risk a LD upset by LCW.It's not about LCW regaining consistency; it's LCW playing differently so it's hard to read his game.I have confidence in KKK/TBH. XD's only a lost cause with the MJ. With WCH/WPT,there's a 1% chance.
How about a bet? Since you are so sure MAS won't stand a chance and I differ , we'll take it CHN has a 99% chance and MAS only 1%.So if you're right I'll send you 1 British Pound and if I'm right (highly unlikely) you send me 99 British Pound.

was wondering whether anyone is having any troubles with tournament software?

Fang, Chieh Min/Lee, Sheng Mu 18-21,20-22 SIN double
Why not Tsai Chia Hsin/Hu Chung Hsien????????
They played very well against KOO/TAN at Johor Bahru.
TPE fielded the wrong MD? Tough luck.Part of winning is the coach making the right choices. We'll take it ! Congrats, Singapore!

was wondering whether anyone is having any troubles with tournament software?

mine is going smoothly :D.. i'm using opera 9.20 browser

was wondering whether anyone is having any troubles with tournament software?
so far so gud..

wow..
russia XD give japan a shock..

TPE fielded the wrong MD? Tough luck.Part of winning is the coach making the right choices. We'll take it ! Congrats, Singapore!

i second that :D
congrats singapore!

wow..
russia XD give japan a shock..

actually, i think that the russians are rather good, just that they don't really have a chance to perform. and by the looks of it, the russians are gonna get that point.

INA takes the first point, 1-0, with Flandy Limpele/Vita Marissa beating Yohan Wiratama Hadikusumo/Chau Hoi Wah 21-11, 21-18.

Up next, Sony Dwi Kuncoro against Ng Wei.

I may be wrong but my guess is LYB will field CJ for THU and BCL for FRI since these are no risk matches.Whatever happens, CHN is assured of SF. He will use CJ to check out LCW. He 's not ready to risk a LD upset by LCW.It's not about LCW regaining consistency; it's LCW playing differently so it's hard to read his game.I have confidence in KKK/TBH. XD's only a lost cause with the MJ. With WCH/WPT,there's a 1% chance.
How about a bet? Since you are so sure MAS won't stand a chance and I differ , we'll take it CHN has a 99% chance and MAS only 1%.So if you're right I'll send you 1 British Pound and if I'm right (highly unlikely) you send me 99 British Pound.


hahaha, sounds good to me, though i'm sure betting here would be illegal somehow. 100 to 1 odds eh, i just can't see MAS getting more than 1 point.

hahaha, sounds good to me, though i'm sure betting here would be illegal somehow. 100 to 1 odds eh, i just can't see MAS getting more than 1 point.


Count me in. I will just accept 49 pounds to my 1 pound.:D

INA XD scared me from 9-5 to 13-10 then 13-16?? phew....goodness it did not go to 3rd set

Russia's XD took the match!
Russia 1 - 0 Japan.
That was rather unexpected, but a pleasant surprise nonetheless.

INA XD scared me from 9-5 to 13-10 then 13-16?? phew....goodness it did not go to 3rd set

Ina will beat HK 5:0

does anyone know y wang chen never play? this is the last match for hkg but they never put her on the line..... does she injured?

does anyone know y wang chen never play? this is the last match for hkg but they never put her on the line..... does she injured?
yup..
she did injured..

ow.. i c.. that's y... but they do have zhou mi as well now... i think she is ready to take this big stage...

ow.. i c.. that's y... but they do have zhou mi as well now... i think she is ready to take this big stage...
maybe she is not allow to play for hkg yet..
i also dunno, juz guess..:p

i c... sony just won the 1st set 21-16... way to go....

look like hkg only hope will be yip pui yin..
juz can't figure out how they can snatch 2 point from denmark...

yeahhhh

i just downloaded TH vs PG plus interview video, i got it from 'someone' in BC, he 'PM' me and told me the video link, but he forbid me to forward or repost :(

wow..
Ng Wei hold the edge in 2nd set...

yeahhhh

i just downloaded TH vs PG plus interview video, i got it from 'someone' in BC, he 'PM' me and told me the video link, but he forbid me to forward or repost :(
Hm...thats very nice !!:mad:.....

11-7 for Ng Wei.....hope it doe not go to 3 sets....Ng wei,Sony and Chen Hong will be buddies by next week for Superliga....

wow..
Ng Wei hold the edge in 2nd set...

dun worry.. :) sony is testing the court

yeahhhh

i just downloaded TH vs PG plus interview video, i got it from 'someone' in BC, he 'PM' me and told me the video link, but he forbid me to forward or repost :(


In short,

TH said he is coming into form in this tournament. He thinks Indonesia has a 50% chance with a little bit of luck.

PG also think they can win this. The players are playing well.

Correct me if I am wrong.:D

In short,

TH said he is coming into form in this tournament. He thinks Indonesia has a 50% chance with a little bit of luck.

PG also think they can win this. The players are playing well.

Correct me if I am wrong.:D

ha...ha i'm not there :D... i'm still watching the game

Ng wei wil take 2nd set...hope Sony can take 3rd one...otherwise....???

what happen with sony :(

sonyy..... wake up....

if ina lost ms..
the situation will be difference..
hope ina will make it through..

sony............................ patient

sony.... if you lose..... i willlllllllllllllllllllllll....................... sleep :)

i also support u, sony sony menang menang..
i have bet u to win...

Phewww.... I actually little bit worry about Sonny. He does not have enough stamina to play 3 set. I thought he was the one Indonesia MS with good physic before physic before he fell sick (I dun remember, thypoid and leg injured if I am not mistake).

Sony needs to distance from NW at least 3 to 5 points to be safe....now 4-4 ..that worries me

wat!!
why suddenly 5-5???

Ng Wei leading...

now 7-7...come on Sony

da4m....

sony.... wake up....

Hope sony can catch up...pls hang in there

Score is thight, very. Sony pace my heartbeat. If Sony lose, chance to SF will be shrinked. Indonesia MD and WD is 'new but experience' pairs. Hope that Firda make surprise to beat YPY.

i hate 'twin score' :)

score is 14-13 sony. Go INA!

15-15. Woowwww come on Sony, please win for me! :)

now 16-15 for Sony...come on....

16 each now...haiya

the atmosphere is getting tension..

cmon sony
.....1 more point.....

20-17 for sony... heart beating fast

sony did it!!!!!!!
21-17

sony wins.....:))))

yuh... 21-17 INA lead HKG 2-0

yes.... make me c............... yes... sony win 21:17 :)

wow..at last..I am damn nervous to watch while making coffee.....NG Wei played very well...he has nothing to lolse and Sony felt more pressure to win as INA needs to win 4-1 to top the group providing that Den can beat Kor....

Yessssss! I can sleep well now. I think Indonesia will get more point from MD and WD, or probably 5-0 if Firda win. If Korea lose from Denmark 1-4, what team will go through SF?

Phew...tegang man.....finally Sony Dwi Kuncoro takes the match 21-16, 15-21, 21-17 to deliver the second point for INA, 2-0.

Phew...tegang man.....finally Sony Dwi Kuncoro takes the match 21-16, 15-21, 21-17 to deliver the second point for INA, 2-0.
Apanya yang tegang ?:D:D:D

Yessssss! I can sleep well now. I think Indonesia will get more point from MD and WD, or probably 5-0 if Firda win. If Korea lose from Denmark 1-4, what team will go through SF?

Then they will count sets..I think Kor has a better chance to SF unless Den beat Kor 5-0 which i think it is very very tough....

Apanya yang tegang ?:D:D:D

hehe.. stiffen :D

firda... play nothing to lose.... smash.. smash and smash

YPY will beat Firda in easy 2 sets

YPY will beat Firda in easy 2 sets

what happen to firda..... OK she will lose... play like NG wei , give YPY a hard time

firda... locked at 7 :(

They should field Maria ....I think Firda is over...they should promote Febby and Pia....Nana and Firda should be demoted......been there like 4 yrs with not much improvement....

Thye should field Maria ....I think Firda is over...they should promote Febby and Pia....Nana and Firda should be demoted......been there like 4 yrs with not much improvement....

firda is the dutch open 2006 champion, he defeated wang lin

What a meek performance by Firda....losing 10-21.

Yip Pui Yin muz be in CHN MODE today..
yesterday she is in MAS MODE...

firda is the dutch open 2006 champion, he defeated wang lin

sorry..okay..we will keep her and dump Nana...:D:D send Febby and Pia more to tournaments...

firda....................... i love u...........................

it works.. firda leading 4:1 :)

Yip Pui Yin muz be in CHN MODE today..
yesterday she is in MAS MODE...
look like i am wrong of tat CHN MODE...:p

7:3 Firda leading!

OMG... YPY is catching UP :(

Smash winner YPY 3, Firda 0
Net winner YPY 3, Firda 0

Firda, do something! Cannot rely on 'Clear winners' and 'Others' all the time...

8-7 YPY...

Firda, are you asleep?!?

Firda defeated Li wen yan if im not mistaken not wanglin,china didnt send their players at dutch open

Once again...INA WS fails to protect a healthy lead....Maria and Firda all failed to do that!

wat a great come back from YPY..

10-7 YPY

Firda!!! C'mon cutie, wake up!

firda is finish............ :(

From 2-7 down and now leading 10-8 :mad: Dejavu....

10-10!!! Yes! That's my dear!

YPY most consecutive point: 8! Yeah, that was when Firda totally fell asleep due to the jet-lag... One week adjustment period is not enough for us Indonesians...

10-13....Firda is finished.....habis....:cool:

no.... rrgrgrgrggrgrggrgrr 10:13

firda is singking........ 10-15

Might as well bring in Maria Kristin! Her style of play can make YPY fall asleep first... Hahaha...

Firda... my dear... catch up now please 14-16!

Might as well bring in Maria Kristin! Her style of play can make YPY fall asleep first... Hahaha...

maria kristin is more skillful than firda

catching up..
16-16

Yes! 16-16... I love it when you listen to me...

she 's beginning to believe....

dun........... make me 'collapse' 19:17 19:18

maria kristin is more skillful than firda

Yes I agree, Maria is more skillful. Just not very energetic style... :p YPY, on the other hand, is an Enegizer Bunny!

Oh yes! Firda now in a tough 19-19 spot... :eek:

crucial moment again..
19-19

Com on Firda, win the game to play in rubber......20-21 to YPY

OMG... 19:19 ..... rrrgrggrgr

Noooo!!!
20-20...

firda lost 19:21

match point for YPY ...........and she .........blow it..

he...he
i'm totally wrong.. 20:20

another match point then 2-1 score now

damn..... almost got there... firda blew it :(

Bye bye Firda....as she lost to Yip Pui Yin 10-21, 20-22. INA leads 2-1. Now is Candra Wijaya/Alvent Yulianto's turn to win the tie for INA.

That's it! Kalah!

So far in the Sudirman Cup...
Firda 0-2
Maria 0-1
Total 0-3 in WS

INA needs to groom young players like Pia and Maria Febe faster by exposing them to more tourneys.

Candra-Alven vs. Albertus-Yohan... Hey, sound's like an Indonesian Superliga game here...

INA is going to win over HK.....by 4 - 1 and just hope KOR could win over DEN by 3 - 2 so INA will top the group..........then........something magical will happen tomorrow between CHN vs MAS.. hehehehehehe...

INA needs to groom young players like Pia and Maria Febe faster by exposing them to more tourneys.

I can't agree more! Next up for Pia and Febe is the Asian Juniors [next month, I think]....;) I have a good feeling the 2 of them can reach the semis of Asian Juniors...

Ok, sorry, off-topic. We are still in the middle of Sudirman Cup here... Sorry sorry, lost my focus... :p

The INA-born HKG pair is a tough nut to crack...esp for young pairs :cool:

I can't agree more! Next up for Pia and Febe is the Asian Juniors [next month, I think]....;) I have a good feeling the 2 of them can reach the semis of Asian Juniors...


Depends on the draw....last year, Pia got a bad draw in both the AJC and WJC.

That's it! Kalah!

So far in the Sudirman Cup...
Firda 0-2
Maria 0-1
Total 0-3 in WS


it's the time give bigger chance to younger player
a lot of INA younger player can beat Salakjit Ponsana, Monthila Memeak, Jun Jae Yun, Jang So Young (They beat senior Pelatnas players in some tournament).

INA is going to win over HK.....by 4 - 1 and just hope KOR could win over DEN by 3 - 2 so INA will top the group..........then........something magical will happen tomorrow between CHN vs MAS.. hehehehehehe...

No, if KOR win over DEN, then they shall be undefeated in the group. If so, KOR will be at the top of this group...:(

Depends on the draw....last year, Pia got a bad draw in both the AJC and WJC.

Both these 2 youngsters have played in quite a few BWF championships. Their rankings are not that bad this time around. They will be seeded. That's my prediction. ;)