Roadmap to USA powerhouse status:
1. Hijack top singles players like Lin Dan & Xie Xinfang. Give them a quick Las Vegas wedding, give them a house in Beverly Hills, pay their bills for 30 years, give them one eco-friendly car each, a $200,000 per person guaranteed income etc. C'mon USA, you can afford this. :p
2. Hijack top doubles pairs like the English pairs, Emms-Robertson, Donna Kellogg, and their MD [Andrew Clark and his partner, I forgot]. We need caucasian faces too. The whole team cannot be Asian looking... :p
3. Hijack the top coaches: Tong Sinfu, Li Mao, Park Joo Bong, Rexy Mainaky, etc. Some would coach the elite team, some for the junior team. ;)
4. When the players in step 1 and step 2 are getting old or injured or cannot perform anymore, repeat step 1 and 2 with younger versions of those top players... :p


Essentially, USA should adopt the Singapore strategy, but with more $$$ and other incentives to get them to move...;) Hey, if anybody can do this, it is a country with a $ 11 Trillion++ annual GDP, which is the USA...

The USA is built based on the strength of its immigrants. So it makes sense to just do what the USA have been doing for 200-plus years. Ha ha ha...

The US is run by money. It has high GDP which means everything is driven by money, High GDP is not a warranty of money, but it is a requirement that everything wants to survive on this land, has to turn into an industry, a revenue generator.

The current business model for Sudirman cup is pathetic. Players play for nothing. No prize at all. The local organization has to give hundreds of thousand dollars to IBF to get the authorization to run the Sudirman. Then how the local organization run their cash flow? Not from fans! not from tickets! not from TV broadcasting! But from the associations all over the world to send their players, coaches, and journalists to the tournaments. There are almost 600 players, and totally probably 1,000 people pouring in Glasgow for the event (for example China sends 17 players, but more than 30 people in their team, and 23 journalists makes the total headcount to nearly 60). Assume each person spends $200 per day in Glasgow, then 7 days will give Glasgow 1.4 million dollars revenue. This is the business model for Sudirman cup. It is pathetic, it is the exact reason why Sudirman were mostly held in Europe. Simply because this model only works in Europe. The Sudirman in China will be running another business model.

Back the question how and when will the US win the Sudirman cup? The US cannot produce top players because there is simply no market yet. No body can see how to generate positive cash flow if investing money on training badminton players in the US. As most country, the US badminton association can get some small money for the tournaments expenses and training, but the US cannot afford to invest money for creating the top players to win the untouchable national "glory".

So if the US had hijacked Lin Dan and other top players. the US will use him to sell rackets and shoes in south east Asia instead of playing Sudirman. Top players will be more active in commercial tournaments. If a large amount of fans were built up in the US, then the players could survive by just playing professional badminton, there would be more commercial tournaments with higher prize. With larger amount of fans, sponsors, and top level players, the US will not win Sudirman, instead, those IBF events, such as Sudirman, Thomas, World Champs would be contained, merged, even demolished. So, currently the US cannot win Sudirman, if someday, it could win, then there would be the end of Sudirman.

Thank the US for not good in badminton, so we still have Sudirman.

The current business model for Sudirman cup is pathetic. Players play for nothing. No prize at all. The local organization has to give hundreds of thousand dollars to IBF to get the authorization to run the Sudirman. Then how the local organization run their cash flow? Not from fans! not from tickets! not from TV broadcasting! But from the associations all over the world to send their players, coaches, and journalists to the tournaments. There are almost 600 players, and totally probably 1,000 people pouring in Glasgow for the event (for example China sends 17 players, but more than 30 people in their team, and 23 journalists makes the total headcount to nearly 60). Assume each person spends $200 per day in Glasgow, then 7 days will give Glasgow 1.4 million dollars revenue. This is the business model for Sudirman cup. It is pathetic, it is the exact reason why Sudirman were mostly held in Europe. Simply because this model only works in Europe. The Sudirman in China will be running another business model.

That's the reason that the Sudirman is held in an abandoned garage. There is no ads, no sponsors, no spectators.... The local organization never mind these at all. They simply want to cut the cost and earn money on accommodations only. This is the current situation for badminton.

USA never won Soccer World Cup but soccer is still popular

The US has soccer league but not good. Why? the same as badminton: it is not a revenue generator yet.

and also soccer is only popular in the teenager middle school girls in the US....... far from a professional career.

Key point of my first post is that "the US cannot afford to import a top player in badminton"

NBA can pay tens of millions $ to Yao Ming not because it has money, but because Yao Ming can generate much more money than he earns.

If a top badminton player cannot generate more money, then the US just cannot afford to have one.

buying talents only last for so long. LD and XXF are likely good for 2 more years, then what? Beside, if they have all those good things given to them, they'll get fat and lazy :p China dominates because they have strong players in E, D, C, B, and A classes, not only the pros class. IE, china has a system of producing top badminton players. Of course if US is able to keep buying every new young stars from china, denmark, etc, than that is do-able:p

when?

in 2089:D

The US will have to import to players to win.

USA never won Soccer World Cup but soccer is still popular
From what I heard from my friends who study in USA, soccer is known as sport for Mexicans (although many famous players, i.e. Brian McBride, are not Mexicans)... Kinda racist statement... That is why it is not famous at all... Not many good players are interested playing in MLS... And now, they are hoping that David Beckham can make this sport famous in USA...

I think the condition is quite similar with badminton in USA... My cousin told me that in his highschool, his school's badminton club mostly consist of Asian-American students... It is really different from basketball and tennis...

The same condition happen when I become (kinda) exchange student in Australia, Asian-Australian students (esp. from Malaysia) dominate the badminton club... One of my Australian friend who join the footie club even asked me 'Why are you so crazy about badminton? It is such a boring sport!':mad: *So what?! I find it exciting and I love it!*... And then one day he change his mind because he watched badminton on TV for the first time in his life, Singapore Open finals MD and MS, and find it really exciting, attractive (referring to the jump smashes:cool:), and thrilling...

My opinion: If badminton is dominated mostly by Asian-American, it can't be famous in USA... And therefore, if it is not famous, and it doesn't earn much money, I don't think people will be interested to be involved in this sport... Tiger Wood's and the Williams sisters' parents wanted them to become a golfer and tennis pro players because it will earn lots of money:rolleyes:...

The Australian part is just comparison... I think it is similar with the condition in USA... Maybe if intl badminton competitions are broadcasted daily in USA (just like in many Asian countries) people will like it and interested in this sport... No offense to anyone, this is just my personal opinion:cool:...

If badminton tourneys go virtual or computer simulation, USA would have a great chance of dominating badminton, not just winning...hahaha (sorry to my USA friends, I'm just sarcastic here)! Realistically, I could not see USA winning Sudirman or OLY anytime soon. Sports in USA is all about business and making a buck. Unless TV or media can find a way to commercialize badminton to generate revenue, fat chance for badminton to breath the same air as tennis. Sure female badminton players may be attractive in a certain way, they are no Maria Sharapova or Anna Kournikova in tight, sweat soaked short blouses that TV can use to sell commercial, or capture the minds of hormone charged fans to fork out $$$ to watch in the hot sun, with tongues sticking out, eyes following every moves of Maria until cross-eyed, and breathing heavy! Hahaha!
About the theory that each players spent $200/day in Glasgow, that I am not sure...how do you know that these players or their associations are not so darn cheap that they or their association would not put these players to crash the night in the local YMCA, or in some fans' residence and eat out in chinatown on noodles, fried rice and no charge free tea refill and free red bean soup desert on the house and free fortune cookies, hahaha!!! LOL!!!:D

hopefully before i die.

I would love to see badminton making an impact in America, and if America can win a major title, that would be excellent...and also healthy for this beautiful sport (now I am bias) to grow...also, I do not have to take leave to fly to see the sport in another country. Seeing on video dl, I appreciate and sincerely thanks BC fans for their generous upload, but it is not the same than to see live, that I miss most. Unless the playing field is even up, say CHN players imported out, as happening in S'pore now, then CHN is simply too strong.

I spent 6 yrs at Arizona and was the winner in many of the local/AZ tournaments. Been to few inter-states tournaments and noticed a lot of Asians players instead of local breed players. Having said that, it's not suprising that the sport/Badminton is not popular at all. I strongly believe the reason behind all the success is the greed of MONEY. Look at MJ, LeBrown, Woods, etc... they are worth hundred of millions with the NIKE endorsements. Do U think Yonex will spend this astronomical amount of money of US badminton players? I doubt so, unless a US-YaoMing badminton player can beat the mighty LinDan or Taufik and win the Olympics n All England. Till then, I'd say it WONT happen till I "retired" from my beloved sport/Badminton :D

I am not sure if US imports foreign talents will help them to surge as a reckon force in the Badminton, but it certainly helps to promote the game to the locals. Look at Singapore. They are very successful in importing foreign talents from CHN and INA, and I hope/think that they will be promoted to Div1 this yr. Well done SG... :)

hopefully before i die.

I thought Chandra/Tony(USA) won MD in World Championship few yrs ago? Again, Tony aint local breed either...

I thought Chandra/Tony(USA) won MD in World Championship few yrs ago? Again, Tony aint local breed either...

Tony Gunawan and Howard Bach. Howard is local breed player. so yes, there is hope, but a Sudirman Cup is not just one event, for one to win there needs to be equally strong in all events.

furthermore, Tony isn't playing with Howard anymore. Howard is now playing with Bob Malaythong in order to fight for a spot in the Olympics. Tony isn't eligible to represent US for the 2008 Olympics.

THE US WILL NEVER WIN THE SURDIRMAN CUP YOU KNOW WHY!?
Cause China owns, and they have factories where they build kids into badminton players, so the US has NO HOPE WHAT SO EVER!

GO LIN DAN GO GO LIN DAN GO GO FU HAIFENG GO GO FU HAIFENG GO

Someday when bdm become very popular and has high commercial value in this superpower country.

hopefully before i die.

Rather than hope for that, try for it yourself !:D:D

Someday when bdm become very popular and has high commercial value in this superpower country.
Yeah...some day...some day...we will keep waiting for the day, as the song goes "somewhere over the rainbow, la la la........":D

Back the question how and when will the US win the Sudirman cup?
..and like many posts have mentioned, it basically goes back, partially, to money and its "image":p;)..Btw, here are some related threads/posts:
http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1030
http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=27352
http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=39825
http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=39016

Not in this lifetime. As a whole, we cannot beat China, Korean, Indonesia, Malayasia...heck, we get smoked by France 5-0. :p

Not in this lifetime. As a whole, we cannot beat China, Korean, Indonesia, Malayasia...heck, we get smoked by France 5-0. :p

i think at the minimum it will take a couple of generations. on top of that, we need ppl to work with big corporations like Nike, Adidas, etc. to pay more attention to badminton. eventually they will do it as there is only so much money to earn from other sports and they will eventually have to move into alternative sports like badminton as there is already a huge fan base they can exploit.

Not in this lifetime. As a whole, we cannot beat China, Korean, Indonesia, Malayasia...heck, we get smoked by France 5-0. :p
Q: what takes longer than 'when the cow comes home?'

A: when the panda comes home :D

That's how long it takes:p

Rather than hope for that, try for it yourself !:D:D
Mmm, last several years, I have not visited and post on this forum much since I was busy with my 2 new born boys. I am going to train them to play badminton if they are interested. I saw a post here years back that Hou Jia Chang lived in USA. May be one day, I send my boys to him for training. My current house was 5 min walking from Nike worldwide headquarter, if my boys can win a Olympic gold metal for US, Nike might sponser them. Wow, this was just my dream as my wife said. :rolleyes:

After the badminton sports became famous n lots of ppl playing it,then ppl would start to play it as their career n focus on it.As long as they're not turning their eyes down at this sport n only think that this sports r for pussies or backcourt sport,like their ESPN analysists think.:mad:

I don't think canada is gonna fare any better
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Badminton: NZ topple Canada
6:17PM Saturday June 16, 2007

New Zealand beat Canada 3-1 to confirm their third placing in division three of the world mixed team badminton competition -- the Sudirman Cup -- in Glasgow, Scotland, today.

Finishing third in their group, they beat the third-placed team from another group -- Canada.

The New Zealand mixed pair of Dan Shirley (Waitakere) and Renee Flavell (Auckland) were taken to three games in the first match but they eventually won.

Northland-born John Moody took 54 minutes against Andrew Dabeka in the men's singles and won in three games.

New Zealand dropped the women's singles as Michelle Chan, the New Zealand No 2 ranked at 102 in the world, went down to world No 23 Anna Rice 21-11 18-21 21-10.

Dan Shirley and John Gordon secured the overall win in three games over Mike Beres and William Milroy 21-11 19-21 21-17.

RESULTS
New Zealand 3 Canada 1 (NZ names first)

Mixed - Dan Shirley/Renee Flavel bt Mike Beres/Valerie Loker 13-21 21-18 21-10.

Men's singles - John Moody bt Andrew Dabeka 21-18 13-21 21-15.

Women's singles - Michelle Chan bt Anna Rice 21-11 18-21 21-10,

Men's doubles - John Gordon/Dan Shirley bt Mike Beres/William Milroy 21-11 19-21 21-17.

- NZPA

From what I heard from my friends who study in USA, soccer is known as sport for Mexicans (although many famous players, i.e. Brian McBride, are not Mexicans)... Kinda racist statement... That is why it is not famous at all... Not many good players are interested playing in MLS... And now, they are hoping that David Beckham can make this sport famous in USA...

I think the condition is quite similar with badminton in USA... My cousin told me that in his highschool, his school's badminton club mostly consist of Asian-American students... It is really different from basketball and tennis...

The same condition happen when I become (kinda) exchange student in Australia, Asian-Australian students (esp. from Malaysia) dominate the badminton club... One of my Australian friend who join the footie club even asked me 'Why are you so crazy about badminton? It is such a boring sport!':mad: *So what?! I find it exciting and I love it!*... And then one day he change his mind because he watched badminton on TV for the first time in his life, Singapore Open finals MD and MS, and find it really exciting, attractive (referring to the jump smashes:cool:), and thrilling...

My opinion: If badminton is dominated mostly by Asian-American, it can't be famous in USA... And therefore, if it is not famous, and it doesn't earn much money, I don't think people will be interested to be involved in this sport... Tiger Wood's and the Williams sisters' parents wanted them to become a golfer and tennis pro players because it will earn lots of money:rolleyes:...

The Australian part is just comparison... I think it is similar with the condition in USA... Maybe if intl badminton competitions are broadcasted daily in USA (just like in many Asian countries) people will like it and interested in this sport... No offense to anyone, this is just my personal opinion:cool:...

Good observation :cool:. Was about to make a similar statement ... "soccer" is only popular among immigrants in the us from what I understand but it has found it's niche. Badminton will never become a mainstream sport but it only takes 7 talented lunatics to win the Sudirman Cup. "Everyone" keeps mentioning money but drawing a comparison there's no money in cycling and speedskating in the US either yet there are olympic and world champions every now and then (less so for cycling ofcourse but still). Money/ sponsorship will follow succes and after all it's still an olympic sport so what are the criteria for olympic funding in the US? I know the skaters had it.
Comparing badminton with real individualistic sports like cycling and speedskating is kinda crooked because badders will need good sparring but surely it should be possible to reach a level that warrants some kind of funding that let's you train abroad?

Oh yeah almost forgot: rolemodels! It only takes one to inspire those 7 lunatics ;).

Maybe when Tony Gunawan has 4 boys and 4 girls, we may have a chance to win the Sudirman Cup.....Thomas/Uber cup too....:D:D:D

The US is run by money. It has high GDP which means everything is driven by money, High GDP is not a warranty of money, but it is a requirement that everything wants to survive on this land, has to turn into an industry, a revenue generator.

The current business model for Sudirman cup is pathetic. Players play for nothing. No prize at all. The local organization has to give hundreds of thousand dollars to IBF to get the authorization to run the Sudirman. Then how the local organization run their cash flow? Not from fans! not from tickets! not from TV broadcasting! But from the associations all over the world to send their players, coaches, and journalists to the tournaments. There are almost 600 players, and totally probably 1,000 people pouring in Glasgow for the event (for example China sends 17 players, but more than 30 people in their team, and 23 journalists makes the total headcount to nearly 60). Assume each person spends $200 per day in Glasgow, then 7 days will give Glasgow 1.4 million dollars revenue. This is the business model for Sudirman cup. It is pathetic, it is the exact reason why Sudirman were mostly held in Europe. Simply because this model only works in Europe. The Sudirman in China will be running another business model.

Back the question how and when will the US win the Sudirman cup? The US cannot produce top players because there is simply no market yet. No body can see how to generate positive cash flow if investing money on training badminton players in the US. As most country, the US badminton association can get some small money for the tournaments expenses and training, but the US cannot afford to invest money for creating the top players to win the untouchable national "glory".

So if the US had hijacked Lin Dan and other top players. the US will use him to sell rackets and shoes in south east Asia instead of playing Sudirman. Top players will be more active in commercial tournaments. If a large amount of fans were built up in the US, then the players could survive by just playing professional badminton, there would be more commercial tournaments with higher prize. With larger amount of fans, sponsors, and top level players, the US will not win Sudirman, instead, those IBF events, such as Sudirman, Thomas, World Champs would be contained, merged, even demolished. So, currently the US cannot win Sudirman, if someday, it could win, then there would be the end of Sudirman.

Thank the US for not good in badminton, so we still have Sudirman.

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Hijacking players is not the solution. In any sports for that matter, first; it's citizen should be passionate on the particular sports (example; Brazil-soccer, India- cricket, Indonesia - badminton, etc., etc.). Second, they should inculcate the love for the game to the younger generations (maybe..., the junior league soccer in US could be a model (?)). Third, support from the government or any sports body sanctioned ny the government.

Furthermore, in my opinion Americans prefered sports with more brawn than brain. Badminton is a thinking game. You have to formulate strategies to beat your opponents. Physical size and brute strength is immaterial (I am sure we have seen many tiny Asian players beat the other bigger European players).

Oh another thing. I am quite relief too that the Americans are not good at badminton. If they are in the same league with China, Indonesia, Denmark, England, Malaysia, Thailand, Korea, etc., I am sure they will use their clout to pursuade the IBF to change some of the rules to fit their shortcommings. Example; perhaps, wider and longer court sizes, lower the height of the net, players in double match could be changed during mid-game or, maybe each sides will have to take turns in attacking and defence (say, only the serving side will be allow to do the attacking!).

it'll probably take a good few years for us to win it, they have to start by a growing popularity i think. badminton is still not too popular in the states, with exceptions in the states of the west coast :p

I doubt US would be get interested in badminton...
There are so many others sport of interest....
USA is the best in marketing of sports..

Sudirman cup held in europe,the local organization can not get revenue from TV broadcasting,fans and tickets!

Really?Why?The competition is the lack of value!