2007 Sudirman Cup - Day 7 - Sunday - FINALS

[angelatby]

Zhang Ning always start slow ....

[tommy_bun]

hah? none of indo's tv showing the final?

That's Why I sipport China:D

[armortecfans]

Now it is 2-0 for China. Only the miracle will help Indonesia to win.
China shows their best fighting spirit today. I am surprised that Candra/Kido cannot show their best today like they played Blair/Clark yesterday. Maybe this is the anticlimacs for Indonesian as they have put the whole energy to beat England. Or also they may a bit down as the XD lost.

Anyway, reaching the final is already a good achievement for Indonesia. At least they could repeat what they achieved 2 years ago. China is just too strong, even before the Sudirman Cup started, we can say that China will be the champion.

No matter the result is, I am proud of the Indonesian as they fought all the way to the final. Having beaten by the Korean in the first match, I thought it was all over for Indonesia, but they manage to go through. Congratulation for Indonesia as well.

Now, this leaves a big homework for PBSI to improve their performance.

[huangkwokhau]

Everyones been researching on how to beat FHF/CY for a long time now anyway... :cool:
They did....they lost to INA pairs also before....they got just better....lets see how long they can hang in there...I am sure another pair or two will come out and beat them....just like KKK/TBH were unbeatable before...they are beatable...time will tell...hope not too long....

[angelatby]

5-0 for Indonesia NOW

[shyeling]

Oh Yay! Start NOW...... Can she beat Zhang Ning, very slim chance...

of course she can't beat zhang ning...
i think now only XXF have high chance to beat zhang ning....:D

[liangyuanruo]

maybe INA will get their 1 point... the girl seems to know how to play ZN.

[bananaboy]

Is true that FHF/CY are at their top form now, just like KKK/TBH top form from Dec2006/March2007. I guess now all the pairs will forget about KKK/TBH and focus to investage on FHF/CY. Which is good for KKK/TBH, and could be danger for FHF/CY in World Championship cause all people try to reseach to beat them now.


Let me tell you the strategy of how to defeat Cai/Fu...

1. not to let Fu smash at all times...

2. Learn how to defend smashes coming at your face/body at 300+km/hr

3. If #2 fails, go back to #1

[wilfredlgf]

Just came back from watching the men's doubles - Candra/Kido were totally owned.

Cai Yun / Fu Haifeng are showing some creativity compared to the last time I watched them, which is bad news for their opponents out there.

Markis Kido is quite the trickster heh? He's even more audacious than Sigit. Sadly his kind will all but get replaced by power mongers under the 21-point system.

[angelatby]

what if ZN got injure in the game? can XXF replace her to proceed with the game?

Half-way giving up is consider retire isnt, means lose :confused:

[kwun]

INA 5-0 CHN.

but i dont' think anybody is sweating.

[V3i HoN6]

Who the hell that decide the order of the play anyway?
Damm he/she let the whole badminton world down.
I think almost 100% of people would want to see this match.

[huangkwokhau]

ZN always starts slow...scary part is ZN lets Firda lead 17-9 then ZN speed ups and got all 12 points in a row.....hehe

[huangkwokhau]

of course not...
i think now only XXF have high chance to beat zhang ning....:D
Dont forget Wang Chen....and pi Hong Yan...they both beat her before....not too often...:D:D I like ZN..she has motherhood figure

[ctjcad]

Everyones been researching on how to beat FHF/CY for a long time now anyway... :cool:
..can be contained and challenged IF the opponents were able to keep the shuttle low and not keep lifting; play more drives and low shots...The MAS' pair of KKK & TBH were able to do that in their run of success doing it that way, but for some reason, they seemed to lost their confidence and grit..While on the other hand, CY & FHF have improved a lot, incl. their flat drives game, on top of their formidable speed & power...So, it makes it even tougher to "crack" their(CHN's) defense..:p;)

[huangkwokhau]

see!! now ZN is trailling 6-8...she may lead 11-8 during interval

[angelatby]

Let me tell you the strategy of how to defeat Cai/Fu...

1. not to let Fu smash at all times...

2. Learn how to defend smashes coming at your face/body at 300+km/hr

3. If #2 fails, go back to #1

THats what KKK/TBH did isnt, keep the shuttle low when they really won few tournaments back, but on the other hand, CY/FHF has found their way out to perform their GOOD & ACCURATE smashes without letting their opponents defend. :cool: They are simply TOO GOOD (& handsome;))

[liangyuanruo]

lols that wont happen la ... 12 pts in a row... lols... and its difficult to stop FHF from smashing bananaboy. CY holds the net too well. and their reflexes are both super fast so they can play drives too.

[huangkwokhau]

ZN will win without a sweat....10-8

[huangkwokhau]

11-10 for ZN......

[kwun]

They did....they lost to INA pairs also before....they got just better....lets see how long they can hang in there...I am sure another pair or two will come out and beat them....just like KKK/TBH were unbeatable before...they are beatable...time will tell...hope not too long....

another very true thing that LYB said, "if you don't move forward, then you are going backwards". the context was about LD, but it applies equally well to any top pair. they have to keep improving their skills because everybody else are doing it and try to eclipse you

[shyeling]

Let me tell you the strategy of how to defeat Cai/Fu...

1. not to let Fu smash at all times...

2. Learn how to defend smashes coming at your face/body at 300+km/hr

3. If #2 fails, go back to #1

ur 1st strategy not so perfect cos Fu already not smash so much as the job of smashing is taken over by cai...

n 1 more thing is to becareful on cai's net playing.. he seems very good at the net..

[jimbo]

During the interval, LYB said to ZN,"Why u kept the shuttles so close to the sides? why took unnecessary risks?" ZN just kept quiet... :eek:

[ctjcad]

U mean the fat baby? or the fat lady? smiling to INA?..:D:D:D Why is Indra and Taufikist?......:confused::confused: so quiet!
..with the help of the mother waving the baby's hand...:p;)..

[V3i HoN6]

I hope the Ina girl can drag it to rubber set then she will have a great chance.
Come on, worked out the old lady.

[kwun]

During the interval, LYB said to ZN,"Why u kept the shuttles so close to the sides? why took unnecessary risks?" ZN just kept quiet... :eek:

haha. he just want her to finish it up quickly so he can hold the cup.

[angelatby]

I dont like the idea keep trailing & chasing (the points) from the back, ZN 14-11

[huangkwokhau]

haha. he just want her to finish it up quickly so he can hold the cup.
May be LYB needs to rush to bar to celebrate as it is happy hour in scotland :D:D:D

[huangkwokhau]

haha. he just want her to finish it up quickly so he can hold the cup.
May be LYB needs to rush to bar to celebrate as it is happy hour in scotland :D:D:D

[kwun]

I dont like the idea keep trailing & chasing (the points) from the back, ZN 14-11

i don't think that is intentional... ;)

[TKG2609]

i think peter gade already 2 old ...can not compete with the others .... gogogo Lin Dan, Taufik n Chong Wei ...

[TKG2609]

the sequence should be md, ms, md, wd, n ws ....

[TKG2609]

17-15 4 zhang ning

[angelatby]

Sigh~ cant see MS ?>?? ZN 17-15, good livescore is working well, good enough!

[keanny]

firdasari's playing is not bad lol..

[TKG2609]

now 18-15 4 zhang ning

[jimbo]

What a double-action flip shots from ZN.... simply superb.... :eek:

[TKG2609]

19-15 4 zhang ning

[TKG2609]

china should give zhu lin 2 play in the final .... make it more exciting

[armortecfans]

So far, Adriyanti Firdasari manages to give a fight to Zhang Ning. Although she is trailing behind, but this fight is a good sign. I am sure the match against Zhang Ning will give Firda a great experience to improve herself.

[liangyuanruo]

you cant have two MD. lol.

[jimbo]

Just curios, is Taufik supposed to warm up now? :D:D:D

[tommy_bun]

Cmon tante Zhang Ning...you can do it

[huangkwokhau]

getting 16 points from ZN is not bad.....

[ctjcad]

firdasari's playing is not bad lol..
..trying her best to keep the shuttle low and play more net(ala Taufik)..:p;)

[armortecfans]

Zhang ning just took the 1st set 21-16. One more set for China to retain the Sudirman Cup.

I hope Firda could maintain her 1st set performance by giving a good fight.

[TKG2609]

20-16 4 zhang ning

[jimbo]

At the internal, LYB said,"..... she/INA is very stupid...." :eek::mad::eek: I cant belif wat I heard from him... yes, i HEARD it from his mouth...:mad::eek:

[chinnico9496]

if zhang ning wins, wil they still play wd and ms??

[jasonmarc]

looks like CHN should be the team....who bring 10 players....they will still win the Cup if they do so....i think....anybody agree?

[TKG2609]

i think firda will 2 tired in the 2nd set

[liangyuanruo]

well jimbo, dont expect sportspeople to be poets or anything. they try to put things across in simple terms. just think of it as a good way to get ZN's confidence level even higher.

[kwun]

firdasari's playing is not bad lol..

agree. very commendable performance from her, IMHO. even though it is going to be a lose anyway, she kept her spirit and kept fighting like a good sportswoman.

[tommy_bun]

china should give zhu lin 2 play in the final .... make it more exciting

I guess Zhu Lin will make it easy also just like she did in Ina open 2006

[huangkwokhau]

At the internal, LYB said,"..... she/INA is very stupid...." :eek::mad::eek: I cant belif wat I heard from him... yes, i HEARD it from his mouth...:mad::eek:
Thats not nice!!!....thats why I never like LYB....he just said that all players should be respected....I hope he mean it...

[jasonmarc]

the background song during the break...hey...sara...sara...what ever will be ...will be..sound like ....................

[TKG2609]

indo only can expect from taufik 2 compete with other country

[jasonmarc]

the background song during the break...hey...sara...sara...what ever will be ...will be..sound like ...........................the future.....

[angelatby]

china should give zhu lin 2 play in the final .... make it more exciting

I think the result is the same, because adriyanti did not hold a good record against zhu lin either. It should be vice versa. I think Indonesia shouldnt field Adriyanti isnt... Adriyanti lost to Yip in straight sets after suffering foot injury during her match against Lee Yun Hwa isnt, why not choosing the back up player instead (although China is simply too strong)

[huangkwokhau]

ZN is wrapping up this set fast......

[TKG2609]

hmmmm but chong wei still difficult 2 beat taufik ....

[vching]

At the internal, LYB said,"..... she/INA is very stupid...." :eek::mad::eek: I cant belif wat I heard from him... yes, i HEARD it from his mouth...:mad::eek:

typical LYB unsportsmanlike, rude, and unprofessional attitude...
just like when he ask lin dan to break lcw's legs

[TKG2609]

11-3 4 zhang ning

[huangkwokhau]

I think the result is the same, because adriyanti did not hold a good record against zhu lin either. It should be vice versa. I think Indonesia shouldnt field Adriyanti isnt... Adriyanti lost to Yip in straight sets after suffering foot injury during her match against Lee Yun Hwa isnt, why not choosing the back up player instead (although China is simply too strong)
does not matter who is playing for CHN, INA WS is still too weak....will be same result.....

[jimbo]

The cheeky CJ and LD waving to the cameraman... nice to see them in relax mood.... :D

[TKG2609]

10 more points 2 win sudirman cup

[armortecfans]

It seems that Firda makes a lot of mistake in this 2nd set. I see now Zhang Ning is really dominating and showing her real class.

[TKG2609]

12-4 4 zhang ning

[huangkwokhau]

If Frida manages to get more than 10 points in 2nd set is good effort.....

[TKG2609]

firda doent have a good stamina

[Netasia]

No hope for Adriyanti 13-5

[TKG2609]

13-5 for zhang ning

[jimbo]

If Frida manages to get more than 10 points in 2nd set is good effort.....

Very difficult... ZN is the master of net shots... marvellous...

[huangkwokhau]

The cheeky CJ and LD waving to the cameraman... nice to see them in relax mood.... :D
:D:D they dont even have a chance to play....I feel sorry for them..wish LYB put one of them on prior matches...my favorite BCL...

[TKG2609]

hopefully madrid will lost 2night n barca win la liga ... hehehehe....

[TKG2609]

16-5 4 zhang ning

[angelatby]

does not matter who is playing for CHN, INA WS is still too weak....will be same result.....

Ha ha, YES for CHINA, doesnt matter who are they choosing.. But for Indonesia, they should field Yulianti Maria, she is more fit than Adriyanti (though the chance is slim), it is suffer to see her playing when she is not at her best, poor thing...

[ctjcad]

The cheeky CJ and LD waving to the cameraman... nice to see them in relax mood.... :D
..saw CY getting a congratulatory phone call; maybe from our yannie???...:confused::D;)
Btw, looks like the BC members have slowly dwindled and not post anymore...:p

[keanny]

hah.. LYB did say those words? unbelievable -.-

[TKG2609]

16-6 4 zhang ning

[TKG2609]

16-7 for zhang ning

[Netasia]

Adriyanti is totally out-classed by ZN

[samuel882]

They did....they lost to INA pairs also before....they got just better....lets see how long they can hang in there...I am sure another pair or two will come out and beat them....just like KKK/TBH were unbeatable before...they are beatable...time will tell...hope not too long....

CY is 28 yrs old.. Let see they still manage to sustain for how long

[TKG2609]

17-7 for zhang ning

[angelatby]

Zn 18-7...............

[TKG2609]

3 more points 2 win the cup

[huangkwokhau]

Congratulations to China !!!!

[jimbo]

..he's getting a congratulatory phone call from our yannie???...:confused::D;)
Btw, looks like the BC members have slowly dwindled and not post anymore...:p

Errr.... who is Yannie? :confused::eek::D show me her photo :p

[samuel882]

typical LYB unsportsmanlike, rude, and unprofessional attitude...
just like when he ask lin dan to break lcw's legs

LYB is obviusly very LOW EQ coach... He js gota luck coz he is in CHN team..

[kwun]

the real scary part about this match is that once ZN says, "ok, that's enough play around", she proceed to race to 17-7 lead!!!

[angelatby]

..saw CY getting a congratulatory phone call; maybe from our yannie???...:confused::D;)
Btw, looks like the BC members have slowly dwindled and not post anymore...:p

Because dont know what to post anymore, the game is finishing soon..... :cool:

[armortecfans]

Congratulations for China.

[ctjcad]

Errr.... who is Yannie? :confused::eek::D show me her photo :p
..a BC member..check her info by typing her name in the Members List button; check out her posts as well...In short, she IS a huuuuge fan of many players, and one of CY's biggest fan..;):cool:

[kwun]

Thats not nice!!!....thats why I never like LYB....he just said that all players should be respected....I hope he mean it...

but then, how else would you put it?

[wilfredlgf]

Were there any doubts?

[angelatby]

the real scary part about this match is that once ZN says, "ok, that's enough play around", she proceed to race to 17-7 lead!!!

Ha Ha, so bad . . . . . even let off few more points right, congratulations to CHINA !! Consistently WIN again !!

[jimbo]

I wanna see Taufik vs LD :crying::crying::crying: we want taufik....

[armortecfans]

Zhang Ning beated Adriyanti Firdasari 21-16, 21-9.

[tommy_bun]

yeahhhhh china take it back homr again,,huhhhh tonite I can have a good sleep

[wilfredlgf]

but then, how else would you put it?
"... the Indonesian is intellectually-challenged..."

[kwun]

how appropriate for ZN to win the Sudirman Cup point, this is probably the last time she holds it as she might be retiring after 2008.

[angelatby]

Why u all keep talking about LYB, anyhow he nurture the whole CHINA TEAM with flying results, maybe he is not what you all think ... unless you get to know him personally.

[shyeling]

At the internal, LYB said,"..... she/INA is very stupid...." :eek::mad::eek: I cant belif wat I heard from him... yes, i HEARD it from his mouth...:mad::eek:

nothing weird if u heard this thing from his mouth...:mad:
b4 this, he say that m'sia is nothing... ya, may b m'sia is not as strong as them, but the only match they lose is beaten by LCW, come from the country of "nothing"

[ctjcad]

Because dont know what to post anymore, the game is finishing soon..... :cool:
..yes, unfortunately we are left to this...Me think they should arrange the schedule like this: XD, MD, MS in any order and leave the WD and WS as the 2 last events....at least the fans will get some exciting matches..But maybe LinDan and Taufk are too tired and not interested in playing each other..:p;):)
Anyways, congrats again to team CHN for retaining the Sudirman Cup, again....hope to see the same excitement in 2 more yrs..;):cool:

[jimbo]

but then, how else would you put it?

There is a thin line between arrogant and diplomatic. As a player myself, I know what LYB tried to send the msg across... but pls put it in a more politically correct way... :D

May be "she is not as good as U or she is inexperience" :p

[huangkwokhau]

but then, how else would you put it?

it is not necessary to say someone STUPID!!...dont you think??? LYB should trust ZN will do her job.....let her play her style...she is gonna win anyway....

[niezzam6177]

Errr.... who is Yannie? :confused::eek::D show me her photo :p

She is the most beautiful, famous and resourceful BC member you will ever met... :p:D

[angelatby]

..yes, unfortunately we are left to the this...Me think they should arrange the schedule like this: XD, MD, MS in any order and leave the WD and WS as the 2 last events....at least the fans will get some exciting matches..But maybe LinDan and Taufk are too tired and not interested in playing each other..:p;):)
Anyways, congrats again to CHN for retaining the Sudirman Cup, again....hope to see the same excitement in 2 more yrs..;):cool:

Ha Ha Ha, u mean to say kick out all WOMEN EVENTs behind is it :eek::eek::eek: poor thing.

[keanny]

wahh.. congrats to CHina!!

[shyeling]

CY is cai yun??
isn't he get married already??

[huangkwokhau]

:D
Why u all keep talking about LYB, anyhow he nurture the whole CHINA TEAM with flying results, maybe he is not what you all think ... unless you get to know him personally.

I cant imagine if I live with this guy and know him well...I will be depressed....:D:D:D he will be in control...:D I cant live with someone like that....even a roommate....enough said!!;)

[samuel882]

nothing weird if u heard this thing from his mouth...:mad:
b4 this, he say that m'sia is nothing... ya, may b m'sia is not as strong as them, but the only match they lose is beaten by LCW, come from the country of "nothing"


YES ... they lost the 100 percent perfect records to MAS team... there is no need always be controversial for his words.. he speak too much...

[ctjcad]

..LYB and what he said/not said...I think we've heard enough discussions/banters/criticisms of him....Let's just give a congrats to team CHN and look fw to the upcoming tourneys...;):):cool:

[bcmmgr]

Congratulation to China!!

[jimbo]

Yes, I got to see Taufik smiling while receiving the silver medal... he is the manz.... :p

[ctjcad]

Hey, i see Dr. Kang...I hope he's still the BWF President...;):p

[samuel882]

Hopes INA will get the revenge on next year TC...

[phaarix]

Oh well the XD was fun to follow at least :). Wasn't expecting to see TH vs LD but still a little disappointed.

[jimbo]

LD standing next to XXF on the stage... wat a lovely couple... congrats to CHN team... well done INA....

[shyeling]

thomas and uber cup will be separately held starting from 2010 and m'sia is proposed for the host...

[angelatby]

:D

I cant imagine if I live with this guy and know him well...I will be depressed....:D:D:D he will be in control...:D I cant live with someone like that....even a roommate....enough said!!;)

But have you ever think that he is actually very dominating & successful by u all having so much interest about what he says, what he thinks, how he react, so on and so forth. If not, you all wont even talk about him right, lol!

[angelatby]

Yes, I got to see Taufik smiling while receiving the silver medal... he is the manz.... :p

Then take more pictures to share with us. Thanks ! :)

[jimbo]

Oh no... the next venue will be in Guangzhou in 2009.... oh no... another clean sweep by CHN again :crying::crying:

[samuel882]

But have you ever think that he is actually very dominating & successful by u all having so much interest about what he says, what he thinks, how he react, so on and so forth. If not, you all wont even talk about him right, lol!

As a normal BADminton fans; we will follow all the news frm watever source... unless we are blind / deaf :cool:

[samuel882]

Oh no... the next venue will be in Guangzhou in 2009.... oh no... another clean sweep by CHN again :crying::crying:
Let's us wait and see.. Anything might happen.. "IMPOSSIBLE IS NOTHING"

[samuel882]

thomas and uber cup will be separately held starting from 2010 and m'sia is proposed for the host...
dATS COOL.. hopes MAS wil get the host... for both..:D

[ctjcad]

She is the most beautiful, famous and resourceful BC member you will ever met... :p:D
..you will get 2 thumbs up from yannie for saying all those..hehe:D;)

[shenron]

i just saw the prize ceremony just now. when LYB took the sudirman up and hold it up, the cap just fell off on his head. ha .. ha... what a shame!

[huangkwokhau]

But have you ever think that he is actually very dominating & successful by u all having so much interest about what he says, what he thinks, how he react, so on and so forth. If not, you all wont even talk about him right, lol!
YES...but not wanting to know him well.....:D:D I am sure that I will have my grey hair sooner....as a sportman....you do not need to say unnecessary and mean things to others....what are you going to achieve by saying " bad things"...he is successful..not question about it...just no need to create more enemies..life is cycle...you cant be on top all the time...just be humble and fair.....may be I am buddist !!:D:D

[jimbo]

ZN and GL carrying the cup walking around the hall with the "funeral-like" style... esp the music play by the scottish... :p

[samuel882]

YES...but not wanting to know him well.....:D:D I am sure that I will have my grey hair sooner....as a sportman....you do not need to say unnecessary and mean things to others....what are you going to achieve by saying " bad things"...he is successful..not question about it...just no need to create more enemies..life is cycle...you cant be on top all the time...just be humble and fair.....may be I am buddist !!:D:D

nice says... GIVE ME 5!

[keanny]

huahh.. im so relaxed now.. lol.. can go back studying lol... good game everyone lol..

[2cents]

China vs. Indonesia.

i say 60% China 40% Indonesia, 3-2 (depending on the order of play)


....

the chance unfortunately will have to come from MS / MD / XD only.


Kwun, if Indonesia has chances only from MS/MD/XD and also has 40% winning the cup, then averagely you ask Indonesians have 76% chance in each event, which means:

Ina XD Limpele etal beat ZB/GL by 76% - 24%
Ina MD Candra/Kido beat Fu/Cai by 76% - 24%
Ina MD Taufik H beats Lin Dan by 76% - 24%

These assumptions are far away from the past statistics.

[V3i HoN6]

Very disappointed final and overall competition.
Lack of good games, 3-2 tight games and few bad line calls.
The only good game i can recall is between Taufik & Gade, Gao/Zheng & Limpele/Marrisa, HKG vs Sing match.

[huangkwokhau]

nice says... GIVE ME 5!

here you go !! Hi FIVE!!

[keanny]

huhu.. i just saw the engraved 'SUDIRMAN CUP' there on the trophy.. huhuh.. that's our HERO.. i want it back lol >.<

[angelatby]

As a normal BADminton fans; we will follow all the news frm watever source... unless we are blind / deaf :cool:

Yes, and everyday the news is about LYB LYB LYB & LYB right (not necessary) :cool: We can only condemn or comment on people when one day we are just like him, being able to nourish, foster & cultivate an EXCELLENT team which is comparable to his level. It is good to see a strong team as a relative degree of own achievement. It is no point as an audience, the best we can do is NOT TO divide and parcel out in apportion which is helpful to own weaknesses but to see others on the other way round just to make us feel better or to get support. :cool:

[ctjcad]

i just saw the prize ceremony just now. when LYB took the sudirman up and hold it up, the cap just fell off on his head. ha .. ha... what a shame!
..he was giving some gentle shakes and the cap just fell off...One of the INA player picked it up and gave it to ZB who in turn put it back..;).
OK, i'm off for now...;)

[shyeling]

dATS COOL.. hopes MAS wil get the host... for both..:D

is 1 host but different place in that country n may b different date..:)

[angelatby]

YES...but not wanting to know him well.....:D:D I am sure that I will have my grey hair sooner....as a sportman....you do not need to say unnecessary and mean things to others....what are you going to achieve by saying " bad things"...he is successful..not question about it...just no need to create more enemies..life is cycle...you cant be on top all the time...just be humble and fair.....may be I am buddist !!:D:D

Yala, you are very funny. ;) Never mind, i wonder why am i involve in LYB now, lol. :D

[2cents]

why 76%? because

40% = 76% * 76% * 76%

or it could be other cominations like:

40% = 80% * 80% * 63%

......

[samuel882]

is 1 host but different place in that country n may b different date..:)

OIC.. wish to see more juniors players coming to town by then ... to challenge the almighty CHN.

[samuel882]

Yala, you are very funny. ;) Never mind, i wonder why am i involve in LYB now, lol. :D
Mayb u js follow his said so much :D

[wilfredlgf]

Domination by China is not a good thing.

[angelatby]

..he was giving some gentle shakes and the cap just fell off...One of the INA player picked it up and gave it to ZB who in turn put it back..;).
OK, i'm off for now...;)

Goodbye Chris !! Help me to calculate Riddles Mark okay, will let you know. THanks !:)

[huangkwokhau]

Yala, you are very funny. ;) Never mind, i wonder why am i involve in LYB now, lol. :D
:D:D may be you have a crush on LYB....:eek:...just kidding!!!

[samuel882]

Domination by China is not a good thing.

For sure INA / MAS / KOR will be among the team to end their era in one days...:p

[kwun]

i just saw the prize ceremony just now. when LYB took the sudirman up and hold it up, the cap just fell off on his head. ha .. ha... what a shame!

was there a bald spot? ;)

[angelatby]

Mayb u js follow his said so much :D
Gosh, ha ha, dont know, later Hau Ge, cannot sleep, this & that, so i let him win :cool:




:D:D may be you have a crush on LYB....:eek:...just kidding!!!

My God, later his wife heard this, im doom. I think he is quite man, a very decisive guy, assertive & sort of belligerent type, LOL :D

Hey, stop about LYB now.... please

[2cents]

Your percentage does not make sense at all....I agree that Chn will win more likely but your percentage is not logical at all..sorry to say that ..no offence!!

I should not say "make sense", which more like questioning the assumption.

Mathematics, that's what I'm talking about. What I was trying to do, is just to help guys like you to understand the truth behind numbers, if you refuse it, it's fine to me. But for diehard fans, they always want to break their own hearts without knowing the facts behind maths.

[huangkwokhau]

was there a bald spot? ;)
Yes..he has bald spot...

[wilfredlgf]

For sure INA / MAS / KOR will be among the team to end their era in one days...:p

By the looks of it seems like MAS is the only team capable of putting up a challenge for the TC against the might of Mao's men.

[samuel882]

Gosh, ha ha, dont know, later Hau Ge, cannot sleep, this & that, so i let him win :cool:


:D:D may be you have a crush on LYB....:eek:...just kidding!!!
My God, later his wife heard this, im doom. I think he is quite man, a very decisive guy, assertive & sort of belligerent type, LOL :D

Hey, stop about LYB now.... please

Yalo.. there shld be an end of debating LYB...He is nobody for us rite?:D

[shyeling]

for those who understand chinese...
http://www.sinchew.com.my/content.phtml?sec=&artid=200706172896

http://sports.sinchew-i.com/content.phtml?sec=3&sdate=&artid=200706170765

[samuel882]

By the looks of it seems like MAS is the only team capable of putting up a challenge for the TC against the might of Mao's men.
No really.. If the TC will be held this year or even 2008. INA will be the main threat for CHN..

[wilfredlgf]

How about doing some translation for the sakes of those who don't, shyeling? :)

[huangkwokhau]

I should not say "make sense", which more like questioning the assumption.

Mathematics, that's what I'm talking about. What I was trying to do, is just to help guys like you to understand the truth behind numbers, if you refuse it, it's fine to me. But for diehard fans, they always want to break their own heart without knowing the facts behind maths.
No at all...the problem is that you should have established the criteria....why 8 yrs, why not 10 or 12 yrs...
like today XD...you put 100%....seeing the result is not 100% winning....if you do that there are 2 ways...either 0% ( for losing) and 100% for winning...
So thats not the truth....so where is the facts??especially for players or pair who has 0-0 ( never meet) so how you establish the mathematics....if you get what I mean....

[samuel882]

for those who understand chinese...
http://www.sinchew.com.my/content.phtml?sec=&artid=200706172896


10s.. ;) the news coming out very the fast huh? hehe

[huangkwokhau]

Gosh, ha ha, dont know, later Hau Ge, cannot sleep, this & that, so i let him win :cool:




My God, later his wife heard this, im doom. I think he is quite man, a very decisive guy, assertive & sort of belligerent type, LOL :D

Hey, stop about LYB now.... please

Good nite.......:D:D

[2cents]

No at all...the problem is that you should have established the criteria....why 8 yrs, why not 10 or 12 yrs...
like today XD...you put 100%....seeing the result is not 100% winning....if you do that there are 2 ways...either 0% ( for losing) and 100% for winning...
So thats not the truth....so where is the facts??especially for players or pair who has 0-0 ( never meet) so how you establish the mathematics....if you get what I mean....

you misread my post.

1) first my assumption could be wrong, and nobody has to agree to other people's assumption. By the way, there is no correct or wrong in assumption. What I pointed out the maths which has to be either correct or wrong

2) I did not assume China won XD 100%, I did predict 70%, I still think it is very reasonable.


So many people gave their predictions on percentage. But none of the number makes any sense except "staples"s

It doesn't make sense not because of the assumption, but because of the logic.

At last Sudirman cup, China swept Indonesia twice by 8:0. If only this data are used, China should win 100%.

Anyway, here is mine:

1) XD: ZB/GL - LF/VM 70:30

2) MD: CY/FH - KM/CW 70:30

3) WS ZN - AF 100-0

4) WD YW/ZT - GP/VM 100-0

5) MS LD - TH 60-40

So,
China - Ina: 3-0 Chance: 49%
China - Ina: 3-1 Chance: 42%
China - Ina: 3-2 Chance: 5.4%
China - Ina: 2-3 Chance: 3.6%

Total:
China (win% 96.4% ) - Ina ( 3.6% )

Most likely, China will take it either 3:0 (49% chance) or 3:1 (42%)
that's it.

[samuel882]

How about doing some translation for the sakes of those who don't, shyeling? :)
(News Frm Glascow) - CHN win he SC for a recording of 6th Times by the 3:0 margin over INA.
In the third match; CHN ZB vs Arianti of INA. CHN easily take the lead on 1st game with 21-16 .. She also took the second with 21-9; 2:0 for her.

The CHN Team performs extremely well, Managed to win the 1st three match easily..Therefore; the original scheduled no,. 5 match between LD & TH doesnt needs to be played..

P.s : Pls correct me if i am wrong.. I am an Eng Educated..

[wilfredlgf]

Oh just leave it be. Nobody's getting any prize for guessing it right.

[shyeling]

http://www.thestar.com.my/sports/story.asp?file=/2007/6/17/sports/18052287&sec=sports

[samuel882]

http://www.thestar.com.my/sports/story.asp?file=/2007/6/17/sports/18052287&sec=sports

haha.. i was so STUPID for wasting my time for translating ! :crying:

[2cents]

How many people predicted 3:0 ?

I guess quite a lot. For example, indra was one of them

[wilfredlgf]

haha.. i was so STUPID for wasting my time for translating ! :crying:
Not knowing and being stupid are two distinctively different things.

[bobace]

As a normal BADminton fans; we will follow all the news frm watever source... unless we are blind / deaf :cool:

Then you need to confirm the source of this 'news', not just by sb's post.

[shyeling]

(News Frm Glascow) - CHN win he SC for a recording of 6th Times by the 3:0 margin over INA.
In the third match; CHN ZN vs Arianti of INA. CHN easily take the lead on 1st game with 21-16 .. She also took the second with 21-9; 2:0 for her.The CHN Team performs extremely well, Managed to win the 1st three match easily..Therefore; the original scheduled no,. 5 match between LD & TH doesnt needs to be played..

P.s : Pls correct me if i am wrong.. I am an Eng Educated..

oh.. thanx, samuel882...:) actually i m translating too.. but since u alr post, then i no need to continue...

i think ur chinese not so bad..:):)

one small mistake, i highlighted in red...:p

[samuel882]

CY is cai yun??
isn't he get married already??

Yes he is.. already married.. no chance liao :D

[huangkwokhau]

you misread my post.

1) first my assumption could be wrong, and nobody has to agree to other people's assumption. By the way, there is no correct or wrong in assumption. What I pointed out the maths which has to be either correct or wrong

2) I did not assume China won XD 100%, I did predict 70%, I still think it is very reasonable.

Okay....still your method does not make sense at all....there is no established criteria to calculate the number.....
Anyway....I know my math is not bad...tough to understand the result....enough said!!

SEE YOU NEXT TIME!!! time for Holiday next week.....:D:D Have a nice weekend...

[shyeling]

haha.. i was so STUPID for wasting my time for translating ! :crying:

dun b sad because these are 2 different things...:)

[V3i HoN6]

I think is not wise to break up the Thomas and Uber cup.
The female game is not that interesting compare to their counterpart and the main problem is China is too dominating in it.
I hope that will not the case in 2010.


I'm still grudging over the guy who decide to put MS on last. Why is he do that? To completely let everyone down.

[samuel882]

Okay....still your method does not make sense at all....there is no established criteria to calculate the number.....
Anyway....I know my math is not bad...tough to understand the result....enough said!!

SEE YOU NEXT TIME!!! time for Holiday next week.....:D:D Have a nice weekend...

HAPPI HOLIDAY... AND ENJOY THE BIG BREAK....:D

[samuel882]

dun b sad because these are 2 different things...:)
erm.. OK.. 10s for all those source...

[samuel882]

I think is not wise to break up the Thomas and Uber cup.
The female game is not that interesting compare to their counterpart and the main problem is China is too dominating in it.
I hope that will not the case in 2010.


I'm still grudging over the guy who decide to put MS on last. Why is he do that? To completely let everyone down.

I noticed nowadays BWF always make some weird decisions.. Uber cup does have some followers arnd the world but not as huge as TC...

[samuel882]

Then you need to confirm the source of this 'news', not just by sb's post.


wat is "sb"??? :o

[V3i HoN6]

I think math & statistic is meant to put in after the game but never never use it before the game for any prediction.
That is totally so un-sport if you get what i meant.
Sport is great for it randomness, passion, and determination of proving the statistic is crap.

[wilfredlgf]

'somebody'

Hence the need to avoid using txtspk in forums.

[kwun]

I'm still grudging over the guy who decide to put MS on last. Why is he do that? To completely let everyone down.

it was the tournament referee because he wants to make the match more exciting. the referee is IMHO "intellectually challenged" as he never bothered to figure out what is the most likely outcome of the match, ie, 3-0, and thus in the end, he has made the match far less exciting

[hcyong]

There is a thin line between arrogant and diplomatic. As a player myself, I know what LYB tried to send the msg across... but pls put it in a more politically correct way... :D

May be "she is not as good as U or she is inexperience" :p

Keep in mind that all these are directed at Zhang Ning and never meant to be heard by anyone else. In public, you have to be careful, but in private, especially with a friend or a trainee, you can shoot your mouth any way you want.

[samuel882]

it was the tournament referee because he wants to make the match more exciting. the referee is IMHO "intellectually challenged" as he never bothered to figure out what is the most likely outcome of the match, ie, 3-0, and thus in the end, he has made the match far less exciting

This tournament referee shall be barred to officiate any incoming events by the rest of his life ...:mad:

[kwun]

ok guys. nice to see you found some "ga gi nang", but please keep the discussion to badminton!!!

[wilfredlgf]

Right, kwun but it seems like Lin Dan is the only 'ji ga nyin' I've found here.

[Ian015]

Can you please mind your manner? Annoyed !

opps, sorry~
let's talk about badminton~ ^^

[william-cuong]

now, China is the best.proud of you!

[marlen]

I watched the first 2 match (XD & MD), but after losing the second match :crying: I couldn't brace myself to keep watching. So, can anybody inform me how the CHN beat INA? Was it an annihilation or did INA manage to snatch 1 point?

[kwun]

ga gi nang can continue your dialect discussion here:

http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=44810

[ants]

Too bad we can't witness another Epic battle of Lindan Vs Taufik. It will definately be VERY interesting if the the fate of the winner is decided by this match.

[Dill]

Too bad we can't witness another Epic battle of Lindan Vs Taufik. It will definately be VERY interesting if the the fate of the winner is decided by this match.

No one in the arena wanted a white wash because there was not a single person in the house that didnt want to see lin dan take on taufik :( was gutted it all ended so quickly.

But i had a good week looking at the players and the badminton world :)

[bic33]

dill, you are so lucky.. i hear that a lot of players who competed were giving compliments to how good the tourney and its organization was.. i hope i was also there to witness the sudirman cup.. :)

[hydrocyanic]

while china is indeed dominating in terms of world's badminton

it is simply disgraceful to call it boring, whose fault is it to have china winning most of the cups? i doubt its china's fault to have the best men/women around...

look at it the other way please, catch up ppl, rather than pulling other's back

[chibe_K]

China won the cup...expected.
Indonesia ended second...no surprise.
England went to semis...big surprise and well done !!!
Korea went to semis...no surprise.
As for Denmark and Mal...big disappointment.

[cooler]

while china is indeed dominating in terms of world's badminton

it is simply disgraceful to call it boring, whose fault is it to have china winning most of the cups? i doubt its china's fault to have the best men/women around...

look at it the other way please, catch up ppl, rather than pulling other's back
ya. Federer dominates tennis and yet tennis is still highly popular and covered by the media. In circuit racing like indy 500, the #1 rank car leads for most of the laps, i still see huge crowd watching this event.

[hcyong]

China won the cup...expected.
Indonesia ended second...no surprise.
England went to semis...big surprise and well done !!!
Korea went to semis...no surprise.
As for Denmark and Mal...big disappointment.

If Indonesia's second and Korea's semi are no surprises, how come Denmark is a disappointment?

For Malaysia, the difference between 'no surprise' and 'big disappointment' was whether or not we can convert 3 match points.

[kwun]

If Indonesia's second and Korea's semi are no surprises, how come Denmark is a disappointment?


with INA, KOR and DEN in the same group, the one that didn't get into SF should only be considered "bad luck".

MAS to me is "opportunity wasted", they had a good draw but failed to convert on the important matches and points.

ENG is indeed a well done, they even got the opportunity to take down INA but fell short.

[cooler]

China coach takes issue over Sudirman Cup order rumpus
Sun Jun 17, 1:34 PM ET

Chinese coach Li Yongbo criticised the eleventh hour attempt by the Badminton World Federation to rejig the order of play in the Sudirman Cup final which his team won here Sunday.

China raced off with their sixth final beating Indonesia 3-0 to rob spectators of the showdown between world champion Lin Dan and Olympic champion Taufik Hidayat, one of two 'dead' rubbers.

In the draw on Saturday night, the order was pulled out of a hat - a change to previous years - and the men's singles came out last. With China winning the first three rubbers, it meant that the last two did not need to be played.

Early Sunday championship director and the chief executive of Badminton Scotland, Anne Smillie, arranged a meeting between tournament referee Keith Hawthorne and the two team coaches to try and arrange a change the order.

But Li would not budge.

"It was most unfortunate," said Smillie, who could otherwise reflect on a hugely successful week.

'The draw was made late on Saturday night and I realise it would have been extremely difficult to change it on Sunday morning and maybe upset the players' mental state and their preparation for such an important match.

"But it was very disappointing. It was a fist class show and it would have been brilliant for the spectators and the TV audience if there had been a different order of play. It was the only hiccup, but one that mattered a great deal."

But Li said he was also angered. 'I am not happy either," he said. "I don't think the BWF has shown any respect to the players or coaches. The casual attitude about draws is not very good."

Hawthorne also realized he had made a mistake. "On hindsight, we shouldn't have done it," he said.

'I have apologised to Anne Smillie and Badminton Scotland."

Previously, the order of play was decided between the two team managers - this time it was changed and pulled out of a hat from the semi-final stage.

But the schedule apart, Li was pleased with his team's display but critical of Lin, who had lost China's only rubber of the week, losing to Malaysia's Lee Chong Wie in the group matches.

"The mixed doubles and men's doubles were particularly pleasing and everything is shaping up well for the Olympics in Beijing next year," he said.

"But there was disappointment in Lin's performance.

"He should learn from the men's doubles. They showed spirit and determination. He has done that in the past, but not this week."
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------]

Sudirman Cup final order of play arouses controversies

The play order of the badminton Sudirman Cup final on Sunday remained unchanged despite a proposal of having men's singles played earlier.

Official at the tournament were trying to put the most eye-catching men's singles in first three rubbers, which was down at bottom of the five sets as was decided by draw the previous night, due to worries that it won't be played at all if hot favorites China beat Indonesia 3-0 or 3-1.

Officials from the world governing body BWF phoned the Chinese team hours before the kickoff of the final on Sunday but China refused to accept any change, according to a Chinese coach.

Sudirman Cup media officer William Kings told Xinhua that some broadcasters were eager to have pictures of the anticipated clash between Chinese world number one Lin Dan and his archrival Olympic champion Taufik Hidayat.

"They went crazy when they're aware that there might not be a men's singles at all," he said, "Everyone wants to see that. It's a real exciting part of the tournament."

Indonesia are making their seventh appearance in the final although they only won the tournament once in the 1989 inaugural edition.

Five-time winners China, chasing their sixth Sudirman trophy in Glasgow, beat Indonesia in the 2005 final in Beijing.

Source: Xinhua
-----------------------------------------------------------


I think in this sudirman, lin dan isn't in form. However, i doubt taufik would go all out anyway since he knows he would be playing for a lost cause once INA lost the XD. So if LD vs TH match was selected to play, both won't be playing at their best.

[Joyous]

Talking about LD vs TH, I am very sorry if I am off track. Maybe I should put this on another thread altogether, but according to the BBC website (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/other_sports/badminton/6760603.stm), LD argued with LYB in the middle of his match. :eek: Shocking! Has anyone read any article on other websites about this? What happened? It's a one thing to hear about TH arguing with PBSI, but LD arguing with his coach? This is a scandal. The article even says LD might be replaced. I am very intrigued...


Not sure if LD really argued but he did try to ignore LYB. At the interval of the deciding set, LYB was seen carrying LD's bag for him, not a norm for a coach but it was a good gesture on his part to make up for the tiff, if any.

[badMania]

There was a connection problem, so, I didn't post my thought yesterday.

Overall, CHINA deserves to win, after yet another 3-0 victory over INDONESIA. However, the first match was quite thrilling. If not for the INA's pair countless mistakes earlier in the third set, the match could go INA's way. The scores were level at 19-19 in the rubber. Too bad, Zheng Bo/Gao Ling were calmer and they duly went to fin the final 2 points.

The men's doubles was not even a contest as Fu Haifeng/Cai Yun totally dominated in all aspects. That went for Zhang Ning as well.

Well, INA has achieved its target of reaching the Final, so, there's nothing to be sad of :D

[chemile]

Oh no... the next venue will be in Guangzhou in 2009.... oh no... another clean sweep by CHN again :crying::crying:

Nothing is impossible.... I hope Indonesian youngsters get more experience and skills in two years. In 2009, Indonesia will represented by:

MS: Simon Santoso, Tommy Sugiarto, Dion Rumbaka, and probably supported by Andre Tedjono.

WS: Feby Angguni, Pia Zebadiah, Sylvinna Kurniawan, Maria Febe, probably still supported by Maria Kristin.

MD: Bona Septano/Ahsan, Subekti/Fernando, Joko/Hendra, supported by Markis/Hendra (with mental strengthness)

WD: Greysia Polii/new pair (Jo Novita is too old and stagnant), Dili/Yulianti

XD: Rijal/Greysia, Tantowi/Yulianti, Lilyana/new pair (Nova probably retire next year, I hope Alvent Yulianto will replace him)

[Joyous]

but then, how else would you put it?

Maybe we should take the phrase in context. Players do play 'silly & stupid'' shots at times just as we sometimes do silly things but it does not necessarily mean the player is silly or stupid.

[ants]

I'm impress with how Gao Ling played yesterday. She was really under pressure. But then Its GAO LING! :)

[markchan]

Yeah, the smiling assasin...hehehe.

I agree that to solve tis playing order issue, a fixed order shud be employed rather than the draw from the hat. The much used XD,MS,WS,MD and WD seems good as it wud also provide any player involved in 2 doubles matches the minimum 30 mins rest time.

[Joyous]

I'm impress with how Gao Ling played yesterday. She was really under pressure. But then Its GAO LING! :)

Yes this lady is so composed. This is something not every good player has esp. when the points are so tight and the set/match is closing up. When the umpire stucked to the line judge's decision when it was called good for INA, ZB was upset but GL was encouraging.

[cooler]

Yes this lady is so composed. This is something not every good player has esp. when the points are so tight and the set/match is closing up. When the umpire stucked to the line judge's decision when it was called good for INA, ZB was upset but GL was encouraging.
yup, similar situation at 2005 sudirman cup too where GL set the tone of the match. It is where the famous long rally shown everywhere came from. Afterward (not shown), GL flick served and sealed the match against INA.

[CLELY]

Again sad ending story from INA team in Glasgow...lost 0-3 from the magnificent CHN, so painful Indonesian pride the Sudirman Cup must staying longer in Great Wall. As predicted earlier, after Flandy/Vita failed to beat Zheng/Gao plus unfavourable order-to-play, no hope to INA squad won this final. 2 years later in Guangzhou, I guess INA still doubtly can bring back SC to homeland.

Yeah, once more CHN shows their domination in badminton world. Gao Ling is absolutely amazing shuttler to play her important role for CHN victory, she's the real star. Congratz!

[abedeng]

The best thing about Gao Ling is, when she got the bad line call, she played even better.

That masterful performance must have satisfied LYB immensely. I will really miss seeing Gao Ling play when the time comes for her retirement.

And did you see how CHN panel of coaches kept giving lengthy pointers, criticism and advice immediately after the match has ended, as if the game is still on. Good to remind your charges of their mistakes while the match is still fresh in their minds ...... I don't see this happening with other teams.

Still, INA XD will see this as an opportunity lost, it was indeed the right call to play Flandy/Vita as they had great team spirit and were not outclassed. In the end, a few bad service fault calls and trick flick serves were the only difference.

[samuel882]

INA played the best badminton Team Matches in this SC SF.. splashing.. Amazing.. Heart-Beated non stop games..
Even tough they lose as expected to China; they still deserved the to be credited for their excellent perfomance.. consider they doesnt have a world class women was no to the standard as Chinese's Gals yet...

[abedeng]

I would agree to having all 5 matches played, no matter what the score. Now that we are on 21-pts per rally system, matches don't drag as long as before. Most games end in 20 minutes only. Longest tie was 4 hours (INA vs ENG).

Last time on traditional format, it could take 6 1/2 hours to finish off 5 matches.

[jimbo]

I would agree to having all 5 matches played, no matter what the score. Now that we are on 21-pts per rally system, matches don't drag as long as before. Most games end in 20 minutes only. Longest tie was 4 hours (INA vs ENG).

Last time on traditional format, it could take 6 1/2 hours to finish off 5 matches.

Absolutely agree. I am so dissapointed not to be able to catch LD-TH game, and I'm sure millions of fans out there felt the same frustration. We only want some world-class matches, are we over demanding? :mad:

Btw, why the changed on the match sequence? :confused:

[hcyong]

I would agree to having all 5 matches played, no matter what the score. Now that we are on 21-pts per rally system, matches don't drag as long as before. Most games end in 20 minutes only. Longest tie was 4 hours (INA vs ENG).

Last time on traditional format, it could take 6 1/2 hours to finish off 5 matches.

Previously, all 5 matches were played, but it became farcical. Players either gave a walkover, or played carelessly. Anyway, the atmosphere was already subdued, so there was no point. Ties that should have been won 5-0 were recorded as 3-2 instead, so they were not a good reflection of the ties as well.

[pjswift]

The best thing about Gao Ling is, when she got the bad line call, she played even better.

That masterful performance must have satisfied LYB immensely. I will really miss seeing Gao Ling play when the time comes for her retirement.

And did you see how CHN panel of coaches kept giving lengthy pointers, criticism and advice immediately after the match has ended, as if the game is still on. Good to remind your charges of their mistakes while the match is still fresh in their minds ...... I don't see this happening with other teams.

Still, INA XD will see this as an opportunity lost, it was indeed the right call to play Flandy/Vita as they had great team spirit and were not outclassed. In the end, a few bad service fault calls and trick flick serves were the only difference.
Totally agree with you about CHN's instant post-match coaching. Have a feeling it's probably more intensive than pre-match coaching. Goes to show how hard CHN works.When others, like MAS ,are already asleep (or maybe playing) CHN's still working. CHN's probably the only one into video coaching (and the SC LCW-LD match will probably be the most analysed video,maybe frame by frame, enlarged to see clues to LCW's wristwork....) Can't imagine MAS doing video coaching..maybe they don't even know how to operate the machine (if it's working). However, what this means is if MAS works just 20% harder, MAS has a good chance of taking the TC....OC....maybe even SC ..if the XD shapes up like Rexy visualises. So, MAS, work smarter.

[Han]

Totally agree with you about CHN's instant post-match coaching. Have a feeling it's probably more intensive than pre-match coaching. Goes to show how hard CHN works.When others, like MAS ,are already asleep (or maybe playing) CHN's still working. CHN's probably the only one into video coaching (and the SC LCW-LD match will probably be the most analysed video,maybe frame by frame, enlarged to see clues to LCW's wristwork....) Can't imagine MAS doing video coaching..maybe they don't even know how to operate the machine (if it's working). However, what this means is if MAS works just 20% harder, MAS has a good chance of taking the TC....OC....maybe even SC ..if the XD shapes up like Rexy visualises. So, MAS, work smarter.

Have you seen Chinese coach continue to coach after his player lost? I don't recall seeing Li Yongbo coaching Lin Dan after Lee Chong Wei defeated him?

[pjswift]

Have you seen Chinese coach continue to coach after his player lost? I don't recall seeing Li Yongbo coaching Lin Dan after Lee Chong Wei defeated him?
Good point.What normally happens is players who win usually hang around to savour the moment, like ZB so LYB had the opportunity to do postmatch coaching.Players who lose usually walk off pronto so LD did not hang around to let LYB give him an earful of 'if you had played this..' What is unusual is to give prompt postmatch coaching. Ever seen such a thing with other teams or other sports?

[Han]

Good point.What normally happens is players who win usually hang around to savour the moment, like ZB so LYB had the opportunity to do postmatch coaching.Players who lose usually walk off pronto so LD did not hang around to let LYB give him an earful of 'if you had played this..' What is unusual is to give prompt postmatch coaching. Ever seen such a thing with other teams or other sports?

There are plenty of opportunities to coach even off the court like watching video and analyze or even off camera discussion between player and coach in private room right after the match. I am sure this most probably happen to team/player/coach who rather stay low profile. It's also the culture from different nations as I am sure former Malaysia MS coach Li Mao will coach his player every where even in the bathroom taking shower :D Not to say on-site coaching is not good but to accuse team Malaysia for not doing that hence the failure is just made no sense. Someone really think Rexy doesn't do post coaching after his MD pair lose/win? Nay!

[bdbc74]

Have you seen Chinese coach continue to coach after his player lost? I don't recall seeing Li Yongbo coaching Lin Dan after Lee Chong Wei defeated him?


At the german open 2006 Cai and Fu lost in semifinal against Lee Yong Dae and Lee Jae Jin. After the match Cai and Fu had to hear a very, very long speech from Li Yongbo and another coach. It's a small arena and almost everybody in there could see that after-match coaching-session. The players sit there for more than 40 minutes and they even don't change there wet tshirts! I was really impressed about this kind of discipline.

[Joyous]

At the german open 2006 Cai and Fu lost in semifinal against Lee Yong Dae and Lee Jae Jin. After the match Cai and Fu had to hear a very, very long speech from Li Yongbo and another coach. It's a small arena and almost everybody in there could see that after-match coaching-session. The players sit there for more than 40 minutes and they even don't change there wet tshirts! I was really impressed about this kind of discipline.

Yes, that's why Cai/Fu came back so strongly because they were willing to listen & learn. As LYB said, if a player doesn't move forward, then he/she is moving backwards because others are progressing. Harsh, bossy, ruthless as LBY may seemed to be, I believe as a head coach, he meant well and he looks at the interest of all rather than one.

[robin7]

with INA, KOR and DEN in the same group... considered "bad luck"...

MAS to me is "opportunity wasted"...

ENG is indeed a well done...

Agreed...

DEN was just unfortunate to be in the same group with INA & KOR.

MAS just wasted the good draw. But this happened all the time.

ENG was unlucky to have lost to INA in SF.

CHN will still be dominating for the next couples of years.

[pjswift]

There are plenty of opportunities to coach even off the court like watching video and analyze or even off camera discussion between player and coach in private room right after the match. I am sure this most probably happen to team/player/coach who rather stay low profile. It's also the culture from different nations as I am sure former Malaysia MS coach Li Mao will coach his player every where even in the bathroom taking shower :D Not to say on-site coaching is not good but to accuse team Malaysia for not doing that hence the failure is just made no sense. Someone really think Rexy doesn't do post coaching after his MD pair lose/win? Nay!
ok ,there's a misunderstanding here.I never said MAS was a failure (at SC). On the contrary. MAS has accomplished what others couldn't. Mini MAS delivered by netting and smashing a hole through the Great Wall, courtesy of ace LCW. That is a historic breakthrough and should set the stage for further damage to CHN.
In fact, if I have to choose one team to bet on for the next two years, it would be MAS.MAS is rich in talent. But I believe MAS only works half as hard as CHN. Even then, it could still upset CHN on not a few occasions. This indicates that by putting in ,say ,20% more effort, MAS is likely to upset CHN on many occasions. The key is to get the fitness and stamina up,almost to CHN's level(not necessary to match), and other problems will magically disappear. Because when a player is in super shape physically, he feels good about himself and becomes motivated and interested to achieve. When the motivation and interest is high, learning and working harder seem more effortless. Everything is relative!

[robin7]

... Mini MAS delivered by netting and smashing a hole through the Great Wall, courtesy of ace LCW...

I like this. It sounds like a headline. :)

[Han]

ok ,there's a misunderstanding here.I never said MAS was a failure (at SC). On the contrary. MAS has accomplished what others couldn't. Mini MAS delivered by netting and smashing a hole through the Great Wall, courtesy of ace LCW. That is a historic breakthrough and should set the stage for further damage to CHN.
In fact, if I have to choose one team to bet on for the next two years, it would be MAS.MAS is rich in talent. But I believe MAS only works half as hard as CHN. Even then, it could still upset CHN on not a few occasions. This indicates that by putting in ,say ,20% more effort, MAS is likely to upset CHN on many occasions. The key is to get the fitness and stamina up,almost to CHN's level(not necessary to match), and other problems will magically disappear. Because when a player is in super shape physically, he feels good about himself and becomes motivated and interested to achieve. When the motivation and interest is high, learning and working harder seem more effortless. Everything is relative!

Sorry, I am not accusing you of anything, just want to clarify there are so many ways of coaching, the Chinese way, Malaysia way, Danish Way, Indonesia way, ... all are effective to certain extend and the Chinese way stands out because more titles have won but could very well due to other factors than pure coaching like pool of talent available, discipline, ... Will Taufik do better under Chinese coaching style or will Li Yongbo still do well coaching nation other than China?(I can't imagine Yongbo coaching any of the European teams and be effective at all, players most probably showing him the fingers in every practice :D )
Just a fun discussion and I do think what you said also makes sense. Right place, right time, right players/coaches are all necessary ingredient for success.