Passionless Lin Dan

[jimbo]

Source: Channel News Asia

BEIJING : China's chief badminton coach Li Yongbo said Tuesday world champion Lin Dan's poor showing was the only blot on an otherwise fine performance at the just-ended world team championships.

China won the Sudirman Cup world mixed team championships for a record sixth time after beating Indonesia 3-0 in the final in Scotland on Sunday.

Lin was one of the dead rubbers and was not needed in the final but his contribution in earlier stages of the event raised issues about his commitment and tactical awareness, the coach said.

"Lin now lacks the passion on court, this was one of his best qualities he presented in past events," Li said, according to Xinhua news agency.

"We had a discussion. He thought the result was the most important thing, but the coaches are concerned about the process as well. He needs to win every match even though the result has been decided."

Li was referring to Lin's shock defeat in a preliminary stage tie against Malaysia. China won the match 4-1 but Lin's dropped rubber against the Asian champion Chong Wei Lee ensured that the team failed to win all rubbers in a Sudirman Cup tie for the first time since the 2003 final.

Lin's apparent loss of heart comes at a bad time, with the Olympic Games in Beijing next year.

In a veiled warning to Lin, coach Li said victory in the cup was important but it was also a significant event in the run-up to the Beijing Games.

"Lin needs to maintain his momentum and raise his game before the 2008 Olympics," he said.

- AFP /ls

[olli]

When you've been such a dominant and superior player for over 3 years and when you've won almost every title (except the olympics) it's sure hard to keep the passion. If the fun of winning doesn't mean satisfaction anymore, the only thing which is left is the pure fun of playing. And to be criticized by your team chef might not be the kind of positive motivation you need in such a situation. Somehow I fear that we'll all witness Lin's slow downfall from now on - but let's see.

[huangkwokhau]

I wish LYB uses more positive approach to LD....There is no way one player keeps winning even Federer or Radal loses once a while....plus other players have same quality and skills like LD......LYB should know as himself did not win all matches when he was active in MD...got beaten many times by INA as well as MAS.

[DinkAlot]

Cry me a river... :p

[Qidong]

I wish LYB uses more positive approach to LD....There is no way one player keeps winning even Federer or Radal loses once a while....plus other players have same quality and skills like LD......LYB should know as himself did not win all matches when he was active in MD...got beaten many times by INA as well as MAS.

It's tough if the coach is also the boss. Even some people accused Federer trying to take a break by losing in early rounds in some tournments this year. If Federer's coach criticize him, the coach will be fired. Poor Lin Dan can't do that.

[huangkwokhau]

It's tough if the coach is also the boss. Even some people accused Federer trying to take a break by losing in early rounds in some tournments this year. If Federer's coach criticize him, the coach will be fired. Poor Lin Dan can't do that.


It is hard for LD to accept that he had played well but still being accused that he had no heart to play for China...thats quite an insult...I could not imagine that INA said that to TH..trust me..TH will quit and move to Singapore right away.....

LYB should know that LCW is not one level below LD as he had beaten him already before....so who is ready at that time,,,...morelikely he will be winning the match,,.....

[Han]

I am sure if Lin Dan continues to slide then Li Yongbo will change his tune to softer version, besides Lin Dan who else can the China rely on consistently?

[huangkwokhau]

I am sure if Lin Dan continues to slide then Li Yongbo will change his tune to softer version, besides Lin Dan who else can the China rely on consistently?

BCL is not a bad choice!!....

[cooler]

BCL is not a bad choice!!....

neither is chen jin which had beaten taufik, PG, LCW before.
I say let CJ, Chen Yu, and bcl play more and shape up for the 08 OG. I rather have 4 very good guns at 08 OG than relying just one cannon. I say LYB should let LD relax and work on the other 3 MS players instead. If other 3 do wells, it would put pressure LD to do well anyway. I would concentrate on LD in spring 2008. To LYB, it doesnt matter who win 08 OG title(s), as long as they are his lil solidiers:p

[abedeng]

My take is that LYB believes only in LD, and if I were LYB, so would I. I am sure LYB was not insulting when he made that comment, maybe just reverse psychology to perk LD up to full potential.

We keep talking about the abundance of talent in CHN MS squad, but so far LD is the only one among the CHN 4 MS that takes things seriously and hardly ever fail. Even Morten Frost commented that he enjoys watching LD because LD has the ability to learn, and adapt his tactics in-game.

Even more so, I believe that LD is like a captain to the rest of the CHN MS, how would you feel if your captain falls in battle? BCL, CJ, CY, when the burden is on them, they can't go all the way. We have seen that in MAS, SIN and INA Super Series. It goes without saying that if LD was out in earlier rounds or didn't compete, the rest weren't able to take charge .....

Beating Taufik, LCW, Gade is one thing, winning titles is quite another. Just ask Bao and Chen Yu. Chen Jin was fortunate in Swiss Open, LD didn't lose until he had to retire midway into MS semis. But by the time in SIN and INA Open, Chen Jin didn't even clear the early rounds.

[jimbo]

BCL is not a bad choice!!....

I beg to differ. As far as consistency is concerned, LD is the still best choice. I can understand why LYB is trying so hard to protect LD from suffering the loss of confidence by losing games. Not all players dealt calmly with when they lost games when they should had won. Just ask LCW when he lost to BCL and his form had dipped since then. :eek:

With the Olympics08 is around the corner, LD is still the best bet. No disrespect to CJ and BCL, but LD is still more consistent with winning matches are crucial stages. Anyway, the gold medal is still in LYB's bag. It's just a matter of who winning it... :rolleyes:

[CLELY]

Nothing but Olympic Gold, this is LD mindset now. He had collected numerous titles from All England to World Champ including team-competition such as Thomas and Sudirman Cup leading role. Exactly, LD has heavy burden in all tourneys because LYB always depends on him to win it. Also LD is the target-man for all shuttlers because his status, this condition certainly brings him towards saturated point.

BCL,CJ and CY actually have good qualities too but LYB never trust them. Why LYB never play CJ or BCL during SC/07?? It's very wierd decision. Even INA rested TH for match against HKG and gave MS place to Sony.

[OneToughBirdie]

BCL is not a bad choice!!....
You got to be kiddi.......hahaha! I do not want to finish my sentence just in case all the female BAO's fans will be pee off with me!:p

[zqloy]

BCL is not a bad choice!!....

Em... not BCL.... he is the Mr Runner-Up remember?

[OneToughBirdie]

Not meant to discredit LCW who played very well and prove his win in IO07 is no fluke, and that is good news for MAS fans and badminton fan alike...I notice LD did not do his dive when retrieving shots...either he is not interested in Sudirman tourney (no MS trophy to win) or off form or he is not 100% fit...hey TH too is not interested in team sport esp when his team has no chance of winning and TH played a lacklustre game too (watch TC06)...well one game lost and LD seems like finished...WC may favour LCW on home soil and I would love to see LCW be the first MAS WC but OG08 in Beiging, LD is still the one to beat... no kidding about that!!!:p

[zqloy]

Not meant to discredit LCW who played very well and prove his win in IO07 is no fluke, and that is good news for MAS fans and badminton fan alike...I notice LD did not do his dive when retrieving shots...either he is not interested in Sudirman tourney (no MS trophy to win) or off form or he is not 100% fit...hey TH too is not interested in team sport esp when his team has no chance of winning and TH played a lacklustre game too (watch TC06)...well one game lost and LD seems like finished...WC may favour LCW on home soil and I would love to see LCW be the first MAS WC but OG08 in Beiging, LD is still the one to beat... no kidding about that!!!:p
Frankly i dont care whether LD is playing his best in the Sudirman match against LCW. Am just happy for LCW finally shred his Jaguh Kampung tag and be able to slap LYB's face by beating LD outside Msia. Remember LYB use to boast that LCW wont hv a chance beating LD in neutral ground :cool:

[OneToughBirdie]

Frankly i dont care whether LD is playing his best in the Sudirman match against LCW. Am just happy for LCW finally shred his Jaguh Kampung tag and be able to slap LYB's face by beating LD outside Msia. Remember LYB use to boast that LCW wont hv a chance beating LD in neutral ground :cool:
That is fair comment...if you are chosen to play MS for your country, there should be no excuse for losing, and I ain't forming excuse for LD, just that LD is not playing the way he usually play. As for LCW, he play a very focus game plan, LCW hardly show any emotion when winning points i.e. no fist pumping and LCW only showed emotion when the game concluded...sure LCW has a game plan going from IO07...great to see and hope for MAS in WC07 and anytime LCW can beat LD and TH, that is great for his confidence...agree with you.

[Simp84]

come on LYB is just finding excuse for LD's loss, to save face for China
Honestly LCW was just on fire that day, there's nothing much LD can do
To be saying LD lost passion on court thats whole lot of rubbish, I can see LD is still very determined to win on court or else he wont even bother about bad line calls during that match against LCW

[Han]

come on LYB is just finding excuse for LD's loss, to save face for China
Honestly LCW was just on fire that day, there's nothing much LD can do
To be saying LD lost passion on court thats whole lot of rubbish, I can see LD is still very determined to win on court or else he wont even bother about bad line calls during that match against LCW

Compare LCW vs Lin Dan and KKK/TBH vs Fu/Cai, I think Lin Dan put out much more effort and try to win as compare to the the Malaysian pair.

[volcom]

Lin Dan may be passionless but his mindset is to win, so of course he would still want to win even though hes deeply out of form and mind is not fully focused.

He will be back and owning the badminton MS world soon enough

[Naidikiw]

Anyway, the gold medal is still in LYB's bag. It's just a matter of who winning it... :rolleyes:
Come on.. Don't you remember the last Olympic Games? The words were the same. Even Lin Dan said that if he was defeated, it would be by another Chinese player, and I think everybody knows what happened: Round of 32, Ronald Susilo, Singapore. Moreover, semfinals with any chinese player and in quarterfinals only Chen Hong.
Chinese are favorites, but they must prove it in the court at the Olympic Games.

[Felicia_txh]

Lin Dan may be passionless but his mindset is to win, so of course he would still want to win even though hes deeply out of form and mind is not fully focused.

He will be back and owning the badminton MS world soon enough
I think LD will stop playing badminton after Olympic!!Intuition!!Wil him??:rolleyes::confused::confused:He targets to win the gold medal in Olympic for him,his gf n China,so i think he will be back soon!!
However,i hope he wont!!:o

[Dreamzz]

Compare LCW vs Lin Dan and KKK/TBH vs Fu/Cai, I think Lin Dan put out much more effort and try to win as compare to the the Malaysian pair.


oh yeah, no doubt LD tried harder against LCW than KKK/TBH did against CY/FHF. that match was appalling ...

[Stealthboy]

LYB needs to get himself a life and stop living his vicariously through LD. At the end of the day Badminton is a sport and it is no ones god given right to stand on court and win all their matches. If this was the case what would be the point in watching? Just give the gold medal to LD now. I feel sorry for LD, if he wins the gold they will say it was expected and if he does not they will slaughter him.

[zqloy]

LYB needs to get himself a life and stop living his vicariously through LD. At the end of the day Badminton is a sport and it is no ones god given right to stand on court and win all their matches. If this was the case what would be the point in watching? Just give the gold medal to LD now. I feel sorry for LD, if he wins the gold they will say it was expected and if he does not they will slaughter him.

Hope LD wont end up like another Chen Hong. :cool:

[jimbo]

Come on.. Don't you remember the last Olympic Games? The words were the same. Even Lin Dan said that if he was defeated, it would be by another Chinese player, and I think everybody knows what happened: Round of 32, Ronald Susilo, Singapore. Moreover, semfinals with any chinese player and in quarterfinals only Chen Hong.
Chinese are favorites, but they must prove it in the court at the Olympic Games.

Olympics08 will be played on their own backyard, and do u think LYB will screw up again? His head will be on the chopping board if LYB doesnt deliver the MS gold medal. Four yrs ago, LD was still inexperienced (compare to now) and could not take the pressure. With all his recent winning streaks, it's hard to imagine anyone to stop him or the CHN team from winning the MS gold medal. Anyway, it's just a prediction... nothing concrete :p

Let's hope a dream final like those grand slam (Roger vs Nadal) :D

[huangkwokhau]

Hope LD wont end up like another Chen Hong. :cool:

Actually Chen Hong is happier now..more money and he can accept the appearance fee...

[tjl_vanguard]

Olympics08 will be played on their own backyard, and do u think LYB will screw up again? His head will be on the chopping board if LYB doesnt deliver the MS gold medal. Four yrs ago, LD was still inexperienced (compare to now) and could not take the pressure. With all his recent winning streaks, it's hard to imagine anyone to stop him or the CHN team from winning the MS gold medal. Anyway, it's just a prediction... nothing concrete :p

Let's hope a dream final like those grand slam (Roger vs Nadal) :D
if there is anyone who can stop them is definitely lee chong wei, taufik hidayat, peter gade... so far, thats the list i can come up with... :D

[tjl_vanguard]

LYB needs to get himself a life and stop living his vicariously through LD. At the end of the day Badminton is a sport and it is no ones god given right to stand on court and win all their matches. If this was the case what would be the point in watching? Just give the gold medal to LD now. I feel sorry for LD, if he wins the gold they will say it was expected and if he does not they will slaughter him.
yes yes... very very true... :D :D :D :D :D

makin this sport boring..

[ksooi]

Actually Chen Hong is happier now..more money and he can accept the appearance fee...

appearance fee? I didnt knw BWF is payin appearance fees now?

[BMcentral]

come on LYB is just finding excuse for LD's loss, to save face for China


Save face for what? grabbing the Surdiman cup for another time or save face from getting banged up by england before semifinal and never advance ?

[BMcentral]

LYB needs to get himself a life and stop living his vicariously through LD. At the end of the day Badminton is a sport and it is no ones god given right to stand on court and win all their matches. If this was the case what would be the point in watching? Just give the gold medal to LD now. I feel sorry for LD, if he wins the gold they will say it was expected and if he does not they will slaughter him.
LYB is a typical macho man, who never let things stand in his way, this could be good or bad depends on situation. how ever, i think that he is a little bit too harsh.

[cooler]

Badminton coach threatens to drop 'Super Dan'
(Reuters)
Updated: 2007-06-22 13:50

BEIJING - Outspoken China coach Li Yongbo has warned badminton world number one Lin Dan he could be dropped if he was unable to rediscover his fighting spirit, local media reported on Friday.


China's Lin Dan gestures as he speaks to the media during the final of the Sudirman Cup World Team Badminton Championships in Glasgow, Scotland June 17, 2007. [AP]

Lin, who was spared a dead rubber final against Indonesia's Olympic champion Taufik Hidayat after struggling through opening rounds at the recent Sudirman Cup in Glasgow, was "at the crossroads", Li said.

"Lin lacks the passion and the never-say-die attitude on court at the moment. These were his biggest strengths in recent events," the China Daily quoted Li as saying.

"Individually, it is up to him to make adjustments. He has to find the passion, and the strength of personality.

Lin's preliminary round loss to Malaysian former world number one Lee Chong Wei at Glasgow was the first time since the 2003 final that China had not won a Sudirman Cup match 5-0.

It was the only blemish in an otherwise flawless campaign as China won the title for a sixth time.

Li also hit out at the media for dubbing Lin "Super Dan" and putting more pressure on the world champion.

"I don't think there's anything super about him," Li said.

"It's the media which makes him a superman and a different player from the others. I'm afraid the higher you speak of him, the more setbacks he will suffer."
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i now welcome LD bashing from TH and LCW die hard fans:D

[huangkwokhau]

appearance fee? I didnt knw BWF is payin appearance fees now?
It is common...usually tournament organizer pays not BWF....some of them are given free accomodation for example...some of them in term of payment...

[huangkwokhau]

Badminton coach threatens to drop 'Super Dan'
(Reuters)
Updated: 2007-06-22 13:50

BEIJING - Outspoken China coach Li Yongbo has warned badminton world number one Lin Dan he could be dropped if he was unable to rediscover his fighting spirit, local media reported on Friday.


China's Lin Dan gestures as he speaks to the media during the final of the Sudirman Cup World Team Badminton Championships in Glasgow, Scotland June 17, 2007. [AP]

Lin, who was spared a dead rubber final against Indonesia's Olympic champion Taufik Hidayat after struggling through opening rounds at the recent Sudirman Cup in Glasgow, was "at the crossroads", Li said.

"Lin lacks the passion and the never-say-die attitude on court at the moment. These were his biggest strengths in recent events," the China Daily quoted Li as saying.

"Individually, it is up to him to make adjustments. He has to find the passion, and the strength of personality.

Lin's preliminary round loss to Malaysian former world number one Lee Chong Wei at Glasgow was the first time since the 2003 final that China had not won a Sudirman Cup match 5-0.

It was the only blemish in an otherwise flawless campaign as China won the title for a sixth time.

Li also hit out at the media for dubbing Lin "Super Dan" and putting more pressure on the world champion.

"I don't think there's anything super about him," Li said.

"It's the media which makes him a superman and a different player from the others. I'm afraid the higher you speak of him, the more setbacks he will suffer."
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i now welcome LD bashing from TH and LCW die hard fans:D


Hm..boy!! thats harsh...I do not understand as LYB mentioned that in earlier article that LD's loss because the team had won 4-0 already so he did play well but not hard enough....

To think of it....why LD had to fight to win as he needed to save energy for China Super series...what happened if he got injured???
LYB should let it go and talk heart to heart to LD.....why he is criticizing him so the whole wide world knows about this small matter.....for God's sake...he is not superman afterall.....give him a break!! he will be back!!!

[yy_ling]

that is sad, complacence struck him

[X Ball]

I think it is all 'gloom and doom' for China. You got to admit, even the most powerful waves in the ocean will eventually fizzle out when they reach shore.

On the opposite end, Malaysians are beginning to ride a wave. Men's Doubles are going great guns and LCW is enjoying his renewed status.

What a turnaround !

[cooler]

I think it is all 'gloom and doom' for China. You got to admit, even the most powerful waves in the ocean will eventually fizzle out when they reach shore.

On the opposite end, Malaysians are beginning to ride a wave. Men's Doubles are going great guns and LCW is enjoying his renewed status.

What a turnaround !
hmm, if u see china winning it by only 3-0 is gloom and doom while MAL didnt make it to the final is renewed status, then u have a special crystal ball. (u should check if your crystal ball is made in china, it could be a fake:p)

[Smichz]

LD became the only one who lost during the sudirman,that is also because LD bears the biggest burden among them all.MS is the only part that has the most competition within.CH's WS,XD,WD,MD r on their peak performance,so there'll be less problem.Besides,LYB's expectation is too much for a human being.Being a perfectionist wont help alot,which someday will be LYB's own boomerang,since it's going to just burry LD deeper.

[Smichz]

Frankly i dont care whether LD is playing his best in the Sudirman match against LCW. Am just happy for LCW finally shred his Jaguh Kampung tag and be able to slap LYB's face by beating LD outside Msia. Remember LYB use to boast that LCW wont hv a chance beating LD in neutral ground :cool:

LYB blames LD for losing the only point from perfect.But i guess,deep inside,LYB just blames LD,so that LYB wont have to bear the shame for eating up his own word.I bet he also wanna have some revenge after loses he suffered in the past,beaten by MAS,INA or others.

What i really dont like is that as a coach,he often underestimate or criticize other country's player,like they're the only best.A really good coach should be able to respect others.

[jimbo]

if there is anyone who can stop them is definitely lee chong wei, taufik hidayat, peter gade... so far, thats the list i can come up with... :D

As a huge badminton fan, it's not rocket science to come up with this brilliant list of players who could topple the mighty LD or the Great Wall team albeit any upsets. Anyway, I still hope LCW to do the job... yes, I am biased here :p Msia Boleh...!!!

Anyway, I hate to see LYB to make a big fuss over a LD's loss to LCW in SC. What's the big deal, LYB??? Give him a break, and I'm sure LD will bounce back strongly and win few more titles before Olym08. If Roger, Nadal and Woods could taste defeats, why not LD?

LYB, wasssup with U??? Get a life :mad::rolleyes:

[bananaboy]

As a huge badminton fan, it's not rocket science to come up with this brilliant list of players who could topple the mighty LD or the Great Wall team albeit any upsets. Anyway, I still hope LCW to do the job... yes, I am biased here :p Msia Boleh...!!!

Anyway, I hate to see LYB to make a big fuss over a LD's loss to LCW in SC. What's the big deal, LYB??? Give him a break, and I'm sure LD will bounce back strongly and win few more titles before Olym08. If Roger, Nadal and Woods could taste defeats, why not LD?

LYB, wasssup with U??? Get a life :mad::rolleyes:

Aren't most of Malaysian doing the exact same thing as LYB every time when KKK/TBH lost a match???:rolleyes: Just go read Rexy's B.S about the loss in the recent S.C.

[X Ball]

hmm, if u see china winning it by only 3-0 is gloom and doom while MAL didnt make it to the final is renewed status, then u have a special crystal ball. (u should check if your crystal ball is made in china, it could be a fake:p)

You are talking about the Sudirman Cup - a team effort tournament with women involved. I was talking about the chances of Malaysian MS and MD in the World Championship. Get it right please.

Get it right - LD lost to LCW and got chided for being gutless by LYB.

MD was won by China but I think Malaysia has got 3 other pairs capable (CTF-LWW; Fairuzizun-Tazari; OBS-SH) of giving the tournament a real shake (China has only FU-CAI). The Malaysian pairs are training very hard for the World Championship --- they will be unleashed in the next few tournaments -- you can judge them then. :)

Perhaps you have a crystal ball from China (which I don't have for sure) that tells you China is going to win and pull itself out of the gloom and doom that LD & LYB have cast on their squad by LYB's criticism of LD's effort. It is morale sapping. I will be surprised if LD can pull himself up in time for this. He could be seething at LYB coz he put so much effort in and yet got scolded. It is never going to be easy to admit that LCW played better than LD but this is a fact (if the coach cannot admit it, how can you?) :)

Even if LCW were to win the World Championship, it will be another excuse from his non-fans that he had home support (the natural excuse). But let me say, LCW is ready for LD, CJ or even BAO. Only Taufik is capable of beating LCW but he may not come -- there is nothing more beautiful than to witness his own baby being delivered and be with the wife.

I don't mean to be rude but one ought to accept the facts. But of course, I don't expect this reply to be not retorted by you. Go on, give it to me.

:D

[xofrevlis]

You are talking about the Sudirman Cup - a team effort tournament with women involved. I was talking about the chances of Malaysian MS and MD in the World Championship. Get it right please.

Get it right - LD lost to LCW and got chided for being gutless by LYB.

MD was won by China but I think Malaysia has got 3 other pairs capable (CTF-LWW; Fairuzizun-Tazari; OBS-SH) of giving the tournament a real shake (China has only FU-CAI). The Malaysian pairs are training very hard for the World Championship --- they will be unleashed in the next few tournaments -- you can judge them then. :)

Perhaps you have a crystal ball from China (which I don't have for sure) that tells you China is going to win and pull itself out of the gloom and doom that LD & LYB have cast on their squad by LYB's criticism of LD's effort. It is morale sapping. I will be surprised if LD can pull himself up in time for this. He could be seething at LYB coz he put so much effort in and yet got scolded. It is never going to be easy to admit that LCW played better than LD but this is a fact (if the coach cannot admit it, how can you?) :)

Even if LCW were to win the World Championship, it will be another excuse from his non-fans that he had home support (the natural excuse). But let me say, LCW is ready for LD, CJ or even BAO. Only Taufik is capable of beating LCW but he may not come -- there is nothing more beautiful than to witness his own baby being delivered and be with the wife.

I don't mean to be rude but one ought to accept the facts. But of course, I don't expect this reply to be not retorted by you. Go on, give it to me.

:D

But what you said about it being doom and gloom for China, Malaysia beginning to ride waves and Taufik being the only player who can beat LCW is all your opinion. You never know, LCW's form may dip and said Malay doubles pairs could fall off the wave before it even starts to gather height, no-one can really be sure how things will turn out.

I'm a China supporter but I do try to give a neutral view of things. LCW deserves nothing less as he played better than LD and consequently won the match. That is your only stated fact and I accept it. As for your opinions... ;)

[badminto_expert]

I think Lin dan performance drop.. and LCW performance is better



But what you said about it being doom and gloom for China, Malaysia beginning to ride waves and Taufik being the only player who can beat LCW is all your opinion. You never know, LCW's form may dip and said Malay doubles pairs could fall off the wave before it even starts to gather height, no-one can really be sure how things will turn out.

I'm a China supporter but I do try to give a neutral view of things. LCW deserves nothing less as he played better than LD and consequently won the match. That is your only stated fact and I accept it. As for your opinions... ;)

[OneToughBirdie]

I think Lin dan performance drop.. and LCW performance is better
Yeah, I agree with you but for one game only in the Sudirman Cup LCW is better than LD. I am an ex-MAS living in Canada and I would love to see LCW lift the MS WC07 in KL. But LD is still very dangerous and you don't get ranked #1 for so long and not be good. Lets see CHN Open and see how LD perform. Just a few tournaments ago, LCW is considered on the way down, it is great to see LCW come back, maybe even better than before, but anything can happen on game day in WC07, the pressure and expectation, etc...perhaps, the only thing that may advantage for LCW in WC07 is TH may not be there, therefore LCW has one less nemesis to worry about. Still I strongly believe LCW plays better with less pressure and high expectation from fans, as proven he failed when ranked #1 in WC06, so as LCW fans, consider refraining from pilling so high expectation on him.:);)

[X Ball]

But what you said about it being doom and gloom for China, Malaysia beginning to ride waves and Taufik being the only player who can beat LCW is all your opinion. You never know, LCW's form may dip and said Malay doubles pairs could fall off the wave before it even starts to gather height, no-one can really be sure how things will turn out.

I'm a China supporter but I do try to give a neutral view of things. LCW deserves nothing less as he played better than LD and consequently won the match. That is your only stated fact and I accept it. As for your opinions... ;)

LOL, no need to accept my opinions as you are a Chinese supporter. Accepting the fact that LCW played better that LD is enough.:D

[jumpjump]

LYB blames LD for losing the only point from perfect.But i guess,deep inside,LYB just blames LD,so that LYB wont have to bear the shame for eating up his own word.I bet he also wanna have some revenge after loses he suffered in the past,beaten by MAS,INA or others.

What i really dont like is that as a coach,he often underestimate or criticize other country's player,like they're the only best.A really good coach should be able to respect others.

hahaha, LYB only respects taufik. because on his list of excellent MS players, Taufik hidayat and Lin Dan are the top 2 in the world. LCW is not on LYB's list.too bad. LCW really enjoys high status before WC's, but when he was there,(world no.1, seeded no.1 in world champs.),he lost to bao in quarterfinals.hehe, it isn't a surprise, LCW will feel hot, but how long?

[taufik-ist]

hahaha, LYB only respects taufik. because on his list of excellent MS players, Taufik hidayat and Lin Dan are the top 2 in the world. LCW is not on LYB's list.too bad. LCW really enjoys high status before WC's, but when he was there,(world no.1, seeded no.1 in world champs.),he lost to bao in quarterfinals.hehe, it isn't a surprise, LCW will feel hot, but how long?

after taufik bt lin dan in asian games 2006, LYB gave a thumb up to taufik and shook taufik's hands... i never see LYB do something like that to LCW when he bt lin dan :D

[Felicia_txh]

after taufik bt lin dan in asian games 2006, LYB gave a thumb up to taufik and shook taufik's hands... i never see LYB do something like that to LCW when he bt lin dan :D
Because Taufik is really special n unique!He had worked very hard to become a top player n achieve excellent result in badminton world!!:D;)
I believe one day,LYB wil give two thumbs up when LCW defeat LD!!I believe!!:D

[taufik-ist]

Because Taufik is really special n unique!He had worked very hard to become a top player n achieve excellent result in badminton world!!:D;)
I believe one day,LYB wil give two thumbs up when LCW defeat LD!!I believe!!:D

beat Lin dan in olympic 2008 and win the gold medal.. i'm sure LYB will hat off and give two thumbs up to lcw :).. but lcw must pass TH first :p... :D :p

[Felicia_txh]

beat Lin dan in olympic 2008 and win the gold medal.. i'm sure LYB will hat off and give two thumbs up to lcw :).. but lcw must pass TH first :p... :D :p
before tat he muz defeat LD in WC n TC 1st to warn LYB!!LCW is back!!:D:D
Erm..I think it's a bit tough to defeat TH!! Cos he still not compete wif TH after IO!!:o

[taufik-ist]

before tat he muz defeat LD in WC n TC 1st to warn LYB!!LCW is back!!:D:D
Erm..I think it's a bit tough to defeat TH!! Cos he still not compete wif TH after IO!!:o

in china master... they will meet :D

[Felicia_txh]

in china master... they will meet :D
k..i will wait for the moment LCW defeat TH!!;)
LD will give a big applause to LCW at tat moment!!

[taufik-ist]

k..i will wait for the moment LCW defeat TH!!;)
LD will give a big applause to LCW at tat moment!!

jump off and run say "euuureka" :D

[Felicia_txh]

jump off and run say "euuureka" :D
After tat he wil said:"Good Job"!!:D:D Juz Kidding!!
Why all the top players lost their fighting spirit n become passionless??Sad to read these news!!:o:o
LD muz back to his top form before WC..WC is not interesting without TH and him although it will be a tough task to LCW to be the champion if they tk part!!:o

[zqloy]

hahaha, LYB only respects taufik. because on his list of excellent MS players, Taufik hidayat and Lin Dan are the top 2 in the world. LCW is not on LYB's list.too bad. LCW really enjoys high status before WC's, but when he was there,(world no.1, seeded no.1 in world champs.),he lost to bao in quarterfinals.hehe, it isn't a surprise, LCW will feel hot, but how long?

Lol..... LYB respects no one! Remember he said sth like TH will not beat LD bla bla bla during AG 2006. But at the end TH gave LYB a big slap on the face by beating LD :cool:.

[zqloy]

after taufik bt lin dan in asian games 2006, LYB gave a thumb up to taufik and shook taufik's hands... i never see LYB do something like that to LCW when he bt lin dan :D

Its TH who when over and shook LYB's hands after defeating LD. LCW should that learn from TH too :D.

[Han]

China Master will be a good tournament to judge the performance of individual prior to the showdown of World Championship. Among them are Taufik, Lin Dan, Chen Jin, Bao Chunlai, Chen Hong, Lee Chong Wei, Peter Gade. Lets just hope the draw is favorable to non-Chinese players in such a way Peter, LCW and Taufik don't meet one another in early until QF/SF else will be really anti-climate :D If any of the foreign player can win the title in China then he has very good chance to win WC in Malaysia, in my opinion.

[Wong8Egg]

LOL It has became a trend in this forum that no matter what the topic it began with it will end up a TH vs LD thread or my country stolen 1 game in the 30 games played from LYB's warrior and we slap your face big time thread.

[jermaine]

the problem,
isnt with the players,
but with the coach liyongbo
who can win all the time.. even lin dan needs a break, and i agree that lcw was totally on form against lindan..
why talk about passion when the players already dedicate their career in badminton... just turning one whole round but i dont understand why lyb need to save face, isit for lin dan, or just himself?

[X Ball]

Its TH who when over and shook LYB's hands after defeating LD. LCW should that learn from TH too :D.

Not likely for LCW to do that because LYB told BAO to break LCW's leg some time ago.:D

[pjswift]

LOL It has became a trend in this forum that no matter what the topic it began with it will end up a TH vs LD thread or my country stolen 1 game in the 30 games played from LYB's warrior and we slap your face big time thread.
Actually it is LYB getting extremely distraught that CHN lost 1 match out of 30 and he felt the slap on his face. Can you understand why he reacted in this way to the extent of warning LD?
LD was well prepared for SC. He was eager to play BP to prove that BP's SO07 victory was a fluke but the Thais were smart enough to deny him the opportunity and LYB was mad about it! LYB forgot he set the trend first; he denied LCW the opportunity to beat LD in IO07 by pulling LD out. LYB must understand that whatever dirt he dishes out to others, he will get many times back.It's a pity LYB derailed the LD-TH match. LD was desperate to check out his status vs TH. BP, LCW and TH are the 3 MS LD have to be alert to.
It's lucky at least LD got to play LCW. It shows that when LCW's match preparations are superb, no one can beat him. The match was not even close. In fact the match point was telling. LCW was so much in command that he finished with a drop so ruthlessly cold LD froze. Not a pretty sight for a WR1 to lose.
And if anyone thinks TH has a chance against LCW,take a look at this pattern:
TIME TAKEN BY LCW TO DEFEAT HIS OPPONENTS( most recent match)
1. LD 43 mins
2. BCL 35
3. CH 34
4. BP 32
5. KJ 28
6. AS 27
7. KL 26
8. KBH 23
Interestingly, it reflects the BWF rankings rather well.

[taufik-ist]

Actually it is LYB getting extremely distraught that CHN lost 1 match out of 30 and he felt the slap on his face. Can you understand why he reacted in this way to the extent of warning LD?
LD was well prepared for SC. He was eager to play BP to prove that BP's SO07 victory was a fluke but the Thais were smart enough to deny him the opportunity and LYB was mad about it! LYB forgot he set the trend first; he denied LCW the opportunity to beat LD in IO07 by pulling LD out. LYB must understand that whatever dirt he dishes out to others, he will get many times back.It's a pity LYB derailed the LD-TH match. LD was desperate to check out his status vs TH. BP, LCW and TH are the 3 MS LD have to be alert to.
It's lucky at least LD got to play LCW. It shows that when LCW's match preparations are superb, no one can beat him. The match was not even close. In fact the match point was telling. LCW was so much in command that he finished with a drop so ruthlessly cold LD froze. Not a pretty sight for a WR1 to lose.
And if anyone thinks TH has a chance against LCW,take a look at this pattern:
TIME TAKEN BY LCW TO DEFEAT HIS OPPONENTS( most recent match)
1. LD 43 mins
2. BCL 35
3. CH 34
4. BP 32
5. KJ 28
6. AS 27
7. KL 26
8. KBH 23
Interestingly, it reflects the BWF rankings rather well.
TH bt LCw almost all by stright sets :p

[bananaboy]

Actually it is LYB getting extremely distraught that CHN lost 1 match out of 30 and he felt the slap on his face. Can you understand why he reacted in this way to the extent of warning LD?
LD was well prepared for SC. He was eager to play BP to prove that BP's SO07 victory was a fluke but the Thais were smart enough to deny him the opportunity and LYB was mad about it! LYB forgot he set the trend first; he denied LCW the opportunity to beat LD in IO07 by pulling LD out. LYB must understand that whatever dirt he dishes out to others, he will get many times back.It's a pity LYB derailed the LD-TH match. LD was desperate to check out his status vs TH. BP, LCW and TH are the 3 MS LD have to be alert to.
It's lucky at least LD got to play LCW. It shows that when LCW's match preparations are superb, no one can beat him. The match was not even close. In fact the match point was telling. LCW was so much in command that he finished with a drop so ruthlessly cold LD froze. Not a pretty sight for a WR1 to lose.
And if anyone thinks TH has a chance against LCW,take a look at this pattern:
TIME TAKEN BY LCW TO DEFEAT HIS OPPONENTS( most recent match)
1. LD 43 mins
2. BCL 35
3. CH 34
4. BP 32
5. KJ 28
6. AS 27
7. KL 26
8. KBH 23
Interestingly, it reflects the BWF rankings rather well.

How do you know LD wants to play BP in Sudriment this year?
How do you know that Thailand didn't just want to rest BP since they know there was no chance of beating China?
How do you know that LD really wants to check out TH, BP, and whoever.. are you a close friend of LD or even LYB?

If 21-17, 21-17 is considered not even close... then the times when TH beat LCW with 13 and 15 range, would that be considered as destroyed?:eek:

Lin Dan held a 30+games winning streak from May06 to Oct06, then he started losing a few games here and there, and now people think he is going downhill. :confused::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

LCW held a 4 times quarter-finalist specialist position + 2 times 1st round out in just this year... then after a few wins, all of a sudden he is the best around... :confused: Okay... :rolleyes:

Looking at some sort of stastics, then all of a sudden we can conclude LCW can beat TH in their next meeting... how about sharing the next lottery numbers with us instead with your awesome stastics ability.;)

[OneToughBirdie]

how about sharing the next lottery numbers with us instead with your awesome stastics ability.;)
Now, don't be greedy, my Auntie Mabel often say...Share with us when you got the winning numbers...Hahaha! LOL!!:p

[cooler]

i want lottery numbers to win only please:)

[volcom]

How do you know LD wants to play BP in Sudriment this year?
How do you know that Thailand didn't just want to rest BP since they know there was no chance of beating China?
How do you know that LD really wants to check out TH, BP, and whoever.. are you a close friend of LD or even LYB?

If 21-17, 21-17 is considered not even close... then the times when TH beat LCW with 13 and 15 range, would that be considered as destroyed?:eek:

Lin Dan held a 30+games winning streak from May06 to Oct06, then he started losing a few games here and there, and now people think he is going downhill. :confused::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

LCW held a 4 times quarter-finalist specialist position + 2 times 1st round out in just this year... then after a few wins, all of a sudden he is the best around... :confused: Okay... :rolleyes:

Looking at some sort of stastics, then all of a sudden we can conclude LCW can beat TH in their next meeting... how about sharing the next lottery numbers with us instead with your awesome stastics ability.;)

Very well said :)

[Joyous]

PBSI, BAM, CBA - beware coz when Bananaboy, Cooler & Onetoughbirdie win it big at the lottery, they are going to start their own club & rope in the best players.....no, I'm just pulling your legs.

[zqloy]

Not likely for LCW to do that because LYB told BAO to break LCW's leg some time ago.:D

Lol... thats the reason why he should do it! Imagine LCW went on and shake hands with LYB after beating his players, its almost like a slap on the face! Just jokin :D

[zqloy]

TH bt LCw almost all by stright sets :p

LCW did that once too i believe :D. During TC qualifiers i remember.

[pjswift]

TH bt LCw almost all by stright sets :p
You are talking about 'the good,old days?' TH 's a WR1 in laziness and WRB (World Rank Bottom) in stamina. If he can't even get past the SF in IO07, with the INA crowd behind him, you expect him to go beyond that in other SS? TH's just going to be a spoiler in SS unless by some miracle he decides to actually work. This does not take away from the fact that he's great to watch.
In any case I'm delighted not a few, good BCF minds are stirred enough to respond.By the way, Bananaboy, you asked good questions. The answers lie in following media reports and each tournament closely esp. LYB's comments. He never minces his words.I never believe in spoonfeeding.

[taufik-ist]

You are talking about 'the good,old days?' TH 's a WR1 in laziness and WRB (World Rank Bottom) in stamina. If he can't even get past the SF in IO07, with the INA crowd behind him, you expect him to go beyond that in other SS? TH's just going to be a spoiler in SS unless by some miracle he decides to actually work. This does not take away from the fact that he's great to watch.
In any case I'm delighted not a few, good BCF minds are stirred enough to respond.By the way, Bananaboy, you asked good questions. The answers lie in following media reports and each tournament closely esp. LYB's comments. He never minces his words.I never believe in spoonfeeding.

yes... the laziest but the deadliest :p

[OneToughBirdie]

PBSI, BAM, CBA - beware coz when Bananaboy, Cooler & Onetoughbirdie win it big at the lottery, they are going to start their own club & rope in the best players.....no, I'm just pulling your legs.
Winning the lotto, I don't know about my buddy Cooler or BananaBoy, whatever their plans are...as for myself, I am gonzo back to MAS to eat my nasi lemak, and all those yummy stuff, come back to wonderful Canada for spring/summer (cool and beautiful) and bye bye snow and winter....ahh! nice to drea,, so BananaBoy, cough out the winning numbers....hahaha!:p:D

[V3i HoN6]

yes... the laziest but the deadliest :p
Just the right components of a Genius.
The skills + some lay off attitude + playboy charisma that make him adorable by so many.

[sihker]

Just the right components of a Genius.
The skills + some lay off attitude + playboy charisma that make him adorable by so many.

Hm, where is the playboy charisma, when in most magazine pictures he is with Xie Xf. And his hairstyle :eek: , every time I see his videos, its like a hen's ass :D
Maybe he has a personal stylist, I wouldn't want to know him/her :)

I guess this makes me a troll, but I watch badminton , not charisma and lay off/on :p

[bananaboy]

LCW did that once too i believe :D. During TC qualifiers i remember.

Back in TC 06, even Sato from Japan beat Taufik... so what's the big deal? Taufik went into the tournament with the injury, knowing that he could not do much against others at the time... only to show support to his country(well, at least by showing up:p)

[bananaboy]

Hm, where is the playboy charisma, when in most magazine pictures he is with Xie Xf. And his hairstyle :eek: , every time I see his videos, its like a hen's ass :D
Maybe he has a personal stylist, I wouldn't want to know him/her :)

I guess this makes me a troll, but I watch badminton , not charisma and lay off/on :p

I believe the Playboy charisma and all that stuff was referring to Taufik by V3i HoN6... so everything you say there except for always with XXF, still hold true since Taufik's hair style does look like a "hen's ass"(using your own description), too.;)

[bananaboy]

PBSI, BAM, CBA - beware coz when Bananaboy, Cooler & Onetoughbirdie win it big at the lottery, they are going to start their own club & rope in the best players.....no, I'm just pulling your legs.

It better be a big sum of money... and each of us better win it at a different time, and definitely not together at the same draw.

I believe Cooler, Onetoughbirdie and myself are smart enough to invest the money something else, since badminton club only makes every little money (if anything at all) in Canada.:p

To Joyous,
I will inform you when I win the lottery(all the important 6 numbers), so I can send you a portion of the winning money once you have a pay-pal account set up!!!:)

[bananaboy]

You are talking about 'the good,old days?' TH 's a WR1 in laziness and WRB (World Rank Bottom) in stamina. If he can't even get past the SF in IO07, with the INA crowd behind him, you expect him to go beyond that in other SS? TH's just going to be a spoiler in SS unless by some miracle he decides to actually work. This does not take away from the fact that he's great to watch.
In any case I'm delighted not a few, good BCF minds are stirred enough to respond.By the way, Bananaboy, you asked good questions. The answers lie in following media reports and each tournament closely esp. LYB's comments. He never minces his words.I never believe in spoonfeeding.

Thanks for explaning further, but I believe Cooler, Onetoughbirdie, and myself are more interested with the lottery winning numbers instead of additional information about your "Logic" of LCW winning predictions.:p

[Felicia_txh]

I believe the Playboy charisma and all that stuff was referring to Taufik by V3i HoN6... so everything you say there except for always with XXF, still hold true since Taufik's hair style does look like a "hen's ass"(using your own description), too.;)
Post the pic here n let us c how 'terrible' is his hairstyle!!I hope u r wrong!!;)

[taufik-ist]

Post the pic here n let us c how 'terrible' is his hairstyle!!I hope u r wrong!!;)

bananaboy is hen's ass expertise :D :p

[bananaboy]

bananaboy is hen's ass expertise :D :p

You would know, by the way why don't you tell others how is it like to kiss my ass.:p

[pjswift]

yes... the laziest but the deadliest :p
True. Good one.

[zqloy]

Back in TC 06, even Sato from Japan beat Taufik... so what's the big deal? Taufik went into the tournament with the injury, knowing that he could not do much against others at the time... only to show support to his country(well, at least by showing up:p)

LCW beat TH in the qualifiers, months b4 TH's injury. So, the injury is no excuse. :p Anyways, am hoping to see another meet-up btw these 2 players, see how an "on-form" LCW would fare against TH.

[zqloy]

Just the right components of a Genius.
The skills + some lay off attitude + playboy charisma that make him adorable by so many.

Not to mention he has some good looks too :D. Whether u like it or not, he is 1 special player. His "net-tumbling" shots still makes my mouth wide open most of the times.....

[will_kit]

His lack of performance is a good news...you can't be at the top for so long...Good looks or not is a different case but he have some attitude problem..always intimedate his opponent by crying foul on line calls...can he just get over it as he knows decisions can't be change orelse he can act like Taufik..just walk his ass off the court for good