sigh...sorry to say that badminton has come to.....last weekend during a public gym session, there was a fight...between 2 relatively "mature" (40/50+) players - lets call them A and B.

Lets just say B is a C level player, and A and his buddies are at least B level players.

Before this, during other previous sessions, I noticed that, when it was B's turn to play, A and his buddies would immediately hoard the court and then A would tell B that court is full, so B cannot play. This occured quite a few times. But B would quietly go to other courts to play with real beginners. B is trying very hard to improve, which is why he wants to play with this group, but could never do so. So, during a shift change, A was about to play in court 1 and B was to play in court 3 (note that there is another court separating court 1 and 3). There were a lot of people there that night. Obviously, A was going to play with his buddies, but his other buddies who weren't playing on court 1 were about to play in court 3...with B on court 3 as well of course.

So, A dashed to court 3 and prohibited B from playing, and of course arguement ensued and ended up with both of them hitting each other with their rackets. The fight was stopped by a few of us and the shift continued. When the shift ended, A and B argued and A started to swing his racket and hit B a few times again. There were many young kids there too, so I told B, for the sake of the kids, just walk away...and he did, and someone else pulled A away.

There you have it, my first experience of a fight during badminton session.
Anybody else experienced this kind of stuff before?

How is bad behaviour like this tolerated at your/the public gym? i.e. "A"'s bad behaviour.

-dave

Wow, that's pathetic. Player "A" must be a real jerk to do that. Good thing you pulled them apart before somebody got hospitalized.

I would give punches to A.. fcking jerk
Boss of the court .. DramaQueen

A sounds like a real jerk. Your gym should ban A from playing because he is not courteous and hitting people is just not a good thing to do in public. Anyway, I consider myself lucky because our badminton club is all about playing with all kinds of people we have players who are in their 60s and people are still willing to pair up with them to have fun. Tell A to relax and just have fun on the court and more people should play with B to help him to improve.

HAHAHAHAHAH USING RACKETS TO HIT EACH OTHER? HOLY WHAT HAS THIS WORLD COME TO?

holy man I fell off my chair

What a jerk A is! Is A friends with the people who run the club? Is he the owner? :)

i have seen many arguments concerning court time. however, i have never seen one that involves physical contact.

95% of the badminton players i have seen are nice courteous folks. some will even let you take their place instead of theirs.

it only gets worse when there are a lot of ppl waiting in line and there is a dysfunctional queuing system.

Yeah I haven't seen any badminton player ever resort to violence. And the only time I've seen them get angry is when they've had a bad match, in which case they usually go and sit by themselves until they're over it. And yeah people often give up their place on a court if I or others arrive late. It's such a nice thing that I'm still taken by surprise when people make the offer :).

I agree Player A sounds like a real loser. Selfish and arrogant. I'm very glad we don't have anyone like him around here... And ouch it must hurt quite a bit to have a racquet swung at you deliberately. I got hit (by accident) while walking a little to close behind a court when I was a beginner. I learnt my lesson very quickly :p.

There are cases like these were good players discriminate not so good players.But usually they would accommodate at least a game or 2.So far badminton players that i know of seldom does these kind of things.There are bound to be one or 2 incidents like that but i have never heard that someone would use their rackets to hit each other.

Well someone needs to talk to A.Make known to him that it is just a game an it is a recreational. Some people just make it so serious.Enjoy the game mates.

Who runs the club?? That behaviour would never be tolerated at my club. Court hoarding is especially looked down upon as we only have 4....
If A didn't like it I would tell him not to come back.

Where is the court's etiquette? No one likes a pompous selfish jerk.

Someone should tell A to back off or else he might end up with a racket in his face.

50 or 60 year old loser, eh? Some people just never grew up. In proper clubs with rules enforced by the community of members, I doubt it'll come to this. It's only when one drop in to community center games that this kind of incidents will happen more often. Rules which aren't enforced and clearcut are often exploited.

More like the police is called.

Where is the court's etiquette? No one likes a pompous selfish jerk.

Someone should tell A to back off or else he might end up with a racket in his face.

I was told by a BFer that a few clubs in Toronto have this type of problem. We are not talking a specific age group. Some guys in their twenties and thirties like to use fists to settle court-time dispute and verbal insult.

Well as Kwun pointed out, a dysfunctional queing system is a recipe for arguments and misunderstandings. From the history of players A and B, it was probably only a matter of time before the powder keg blew. Sounds like Player A has an ego that needs to be brought down a notch or two. You didn't mention that his buddies were involved in separating the two combatants. I sure hope they weren't condoning his actions. If they were slated to play with Player B on court 3, they should then have done so and not even have harboured thoughts of abandoning him. 'Cause if they did, they'd be not better than Player A. But it takes two to tango and Player B should not be blameless either for using his racket as a weapon.

I sure hope they weren't high end Yonex rackets; you know how fragile they are :p:p

well at least B had backed off in the end and not let the argument accelerate. for that i have a little respect for B. plus, he might not be the first to swing the racket. sometimes you react to violence with violence. sure hope someone talk to A about his behaviour.

He must have got an emotional problem,since i never really seen any fighting involved in this sport.

Hi guys,
Look like we have "Survival of Fittest" by Fists:eek: No much difference from "Jungle Laws":mad: Fortunately, I didnt witness any barbaric acts of such kind here. Well, we do see arrogant guys on courts now and then.:rolleyes: The owner of the club should ban such arrogant guy from playing.:p
Lee;)
I was told by a BFer that a few clubs in Toronto have this type of problem. We are not talking a specific age group. Some guys in their twenties and thirties like to use fists to settle court-time dispute and verbal insult.

Player A should be reported to the management and issue an warning if not banned from the club. Taking advantage of less skilled players, and even applying physical force, is not acceptable anywhere in any sports. :(

Hi,

So this is not a club, it's a community drop-in gym. So the only rule is, stand in line for the next shift, and be courteous ie dont cut into queue and let players who has just arrived to have a game first before rejoining the queue. Really though, this system has worked for quite a long time, most players follow these rules even for those good players and of course the not so good players.

As for A's buddies in the other court, they were taken by surprise as well, and no, they did not stop the fight, it was the people off-court who came over and stopped the fight.

But really, there seems to be a history between A and B, butI think the history is just "don't play with us cos we're better, and you're not good enough". As to who runs the place? No one really, we have a cashier, that's it. luckily that nite thoough, we had a coach who coaches in that gym, he kind off ran the place after that fight and made sure everyone had a chance to play.

I have been to other clubs and even other community centers, there's never such a problem and the good players would always play with beginners, and even play real games, and the good players will always keep the rally going instead of just killing all shots, and they will even purposely hit "soft" shots to beginners so that they at least get to be part of the game.

Anyway, will be there this weekend again, will see what happens.
oh, someone asked what rackets were used in the fight, it was yonex against karakal. B did not have visible scars, but A did on his face.......

Who had the yonex and who had the karakal?

A has Yonex, B has Karakal

what racket model ?
i bet it must be cheap ISOmetric racket....surely not AT900P....hahaha !!!

Fighting with racquets? I will let the player A swing at full speed and block it so the racquet will break. Seriously, there must be some bad blood from before...

B sounds like quite a fair guy I don't know how he stopped himself from laying A out though. If I felt that someone had pushed me that far I would not be content until i got retribution. Hitting someone with a racquet is not on, be a man and do it the proper way. A just needs a good asswhooping to put him in his place.

A if you are listening to this!!!

BE A MAN DO THE RIGHT THING!!!!!

Or else somebody is going to get a hurt real bad!!! I wont tell you who !!! I think you know him very well...


hehehhehe

maybe they both should be using old Ti10 2U ???!!!!
Head heavy racket & good for smashing ..>!!
hahahaha

use the steel racket then..it's really heavy.He wontl cry when he broke it as well.LOL..

i've seen people fighting with tennis rackets before, but not badminton lol. Anyway in singapore almost all the courts have to be booked...$, $ and more $. i do wish there's such rules governing the community centres......free courts for all.....but then it's definitely gonna get real crowded too.

i haven't seen badminton related violence before. in fact i haven't even seen any 40-50+ years olds fighting ever. It'll be a plain shameful and ugly act

sigh...sorry to say that badminton has come to.....last weekend during a public gym session, there was a fight...between 2 relatively "mature" (40/50+) players - lets call them A and B.


There you have it, my first experience of a fight during badminton session.
Anybody else experienced this kind of stuff before?


We have some real jerks at our club as well, in Ottawa. They think they're all that, they try to hoard the court; however, unlike the display you encountered, these guys will move off the court when pushed. (My problem is that they don't let others play as well...they don't take their turns.) As far as playing with these jerks goes, I'd prefer not to be on the same court as them. If these are the only people that you have around you, other than beginners, good luck!!!

But you know... I was a beginner at one time, and it just took one or two intermediate to get me to the level that I'm playing at now.

I'd recommend to play with lots of beginners, and get their skill levels up, and not even worry about those other jerks at all. :D

We have some real jerks at our club as well, in Ottawa. They think they're all that, they try to hoard the court; however, unlike the display you encountered, these guys will move off the court when pushed. (My problem is that they don't let others play as well...they don't take their turns.) As far as playing with these jerks goes, I'd prefer not to be on the same court as them. If these are the only people that you have around you, other than beginners, good luck!!!

But you know... I was a beginner at one time, and it just took one or two intermediate to get me to the level that I'm playing at now.

I'd recommend to play with lots of beginners, and get their skill levels up, and not even worry about those other jerks at all. :D

Good point about we were all once beginners. The better players when paired with beginners in a mixed group should hold back (i.e. not kill them) while playing with them to allow for a more enjoyable experience (but not in a patronizing manner of course). From my experience these beginners really play their hearts out and, although some may be a little embarrassed, appreciate the better players for taking the time.

I'm still convinced that while the popular court of BC has villified Player A, Player B is far from guilty for his part in the racket swinging incident. As a comparison, Player A might have been a jerk and provoked the incident but aren't bad guys always taunting cops trying to extract a reaction. Rarely do we see a reported incident of a cop striking back. But when they do they're charged with assault, making them guilty. In our case, Player B did strike back (inflicting some facial damage) so he is as guilty as Player A.

haha, A got hit in the face

Most important thing to do is not to start getting violent in the first place. Police don't get charged with assault if they have to defend themselves. I believe that officer being charged with assault might have retailiated after having secured the suspect.

It kinda makes me wonder where the line is where we have to stand up for ourselves if we're ever in a confrontation ourselves. As A struck first, B has the right to defend and strike back but whoever continued the fight could get charged under law.

Hi,

So this is not a club, it's a community drop-in gym. So the only rule is, stand in line for the next shift, and be courteous ie dont cut into queue and let players who has just arrived to have a game first before rejoining the queue. Really though, this system has worked for quite a long time, most players follow these rules even for those good players and of course the not so good players.

As for A's buddies in the other court, they were taken by surprise as well, and no, they did not stop the fight, it was the people off-court who came over and stopped the fight.

But really, there seems to be a history between A and B, butI think the history is just "don't play with us cos we're better, and you're not good enough". As to who runs the place? No one really, we have a cashier, that's it. luckily that nite thoough, we had a coach who coaches in that gym, he kind off ran the place after that fight and made sure everyone had a chance to play.

I have been to other clubs and even other community centers, there's never such a problem and the good players would always play with beginners, and even play real games, and the good players will always keep the rally going instead of just killing all shots, and they will even purposely hit "soft" shots to beginners so that they at least get to be part of the game.

Anyway, will be there this weekend again, will see what happens.
oh, someone asked what rackets were used in the fight, it was yonex against karakal. B did not have visible scars, but A did on his face.......

Bring a video camcorder with you next time just in case it happens again, and then post it up in the badmintoncentral's video forums so we can enjoy the action:p

If not, at least take pictures of how bad they were hurt, and we can make fun of them. LOL:D:p:p:p

I hope neither of them thought about "smashing/slicing a shuttle-cock" when they were fighting with their rackets.:eek: SERIOUS injury may occur which may never heal afterwards.

i think i agree that there must be something else in the the history of both of these players. because i never saw anybody fight for court time like that. really, i dont think it is worth the fist fight, or in this case the racket fight. i think there more than meets the eye. whatever it is, whomever it was that starts the fight, hopefully they can be better men and apologize and stop acting like children.

on the issue of very good player playing with beginners, yeah, they should be more patient. after all, like kris1503dara said, we were all at one time a beginner. like my father used to rally with me and let me enjoy the sport. now i am a life long fan of badminton. maybe if he was very critical of me, i would have hated badminton and stop playing altogether. i really respect advanced players who take the time to play with us, and give us pointers, and encourage us. I have always believed that badminton is a gentleman's game. so far i have not been persuaded otherwise. :D

This is a rare site. Player A is a jerk off, dunno why he even treats Player B so bad when he only wants to get better. Even tho Player A is better, doesn't mean he should start arguing with B. Player A is probably those who think only about him selves but not other people. I wounder if player A is any good... cuz I would like to play him one day and teach him a lesson about respect about other people's need of improvement and fun. Something like this should not be tolerated.

Just an update, the week after the fight, both still showed up, they crossed each other, looked at each other...but no fight....

Last week, Player B did not show up.

Is player A good? He's ok, level B player I guess.

When I grew up, I was always taught that Badminton was a gentleman's sport and should be treated as such. Unfortunately not everyone views it that way and when there is limited court time people will do everything they can to get more "quality" court time. In fact people find the idea of skill levels so insanely important that it become almost a laughable thing. We had a player in my club verbally abuse the coach/captain (accusing him of being racist) for not raising his skill level to the highest level in our recreational club. When I see this... I just shake my head wondering where it all went wrong.

That's a pretty bizarre story to say the least. Over where I've played we'd normally comply with the timetable unless the other group is short of a quorum ie. only one around waiting - he can't play by himself. If so, the guy won't normally have problems with another group playing on their court, often a smile and a gesture of "go ahead".

And even better, the nicer ones might invite him to join them for a game - this being his court after all.

Otherwise the court owner (as in tenant) would normally have no problems waiting for the game to finish while they stretch about, change into their playing clothes, check out the girls ;) or simply sit down and chat with one another.

As mentioned, it was a timebomb waiting to explode.

And I just can't resist it - they must've made quite a racket. :D

Bring some pop-corn, a beach chair, a video-recorder... then watch the fight!!!:p

I value my badminton game days so much, that I feel blessed just for being in the court playing the game:D. If everyone thinks badminton is a gift to mankind, then everyone will value and appreciate the game more, and nobody will be dumb enough to fight.:mad:

The other day, while walking back to my car from my badminton facility, I saw two homeless guys beating the living crap out of each other... I sat in my car, and watched the whole thing while laughing my a$$ off. One of the guy was so tough, that I had to give him credit, but at the same time, I think they were fighting for a very stupid cause.:p A driver also stopped in the middle of the road and watched the fight for abou 30 seconds until a car came behind him.

my friend almost got in a fight with a 50 year old guy

so basicly my friend is 18 and was playing on a challenge court with his friend so this guy comes up and tells him to leave the court ( my friend gets to stay because he won) now my friend is really pissed so he goes Im not f**king geting off the court i won and the old guy says get off so in a rage my friend walks off then a few minutes later the old guy shoes up again and wants him to apologize so swearing out load, now my friend really goes beserk and drop a couple f bombs with the old guy in his face so he takes the old guys racket and just chucks it across 5 courts then the old guy picks it up and leaves

meant shows, not shoes haha

my friend almost got in a fight with a 50 year old guy

so basicly my friend is 18 and was playing on a challenge court with his friend so this guy comes up and tells him to leave the court ( my friend gets to stay because he won) now my friend is really pissed so he goes Im not f**king geting off the court i won and the old guy says get off so in a rage my friend walks off then a few minutes later the old guy shoes up again and wants him to apologize so swearing out load, now my friend really goes beserk and drop a couple f bombs with the old guy in his face so he takes the old guys racket and just chucks it across 5 courts then the old guy picks it up and leaves

The old guy may have his share of problems. However, what you friend's reaction, does not gain any respect from me, either. :(

yup, but the old guy wouldent get out of his face, and seeing a racket fly 100 feet is pretty cool

yeah, i agree with you lazybuddy. the old man was wrong but the young man was wrong too. being violent is so not welcomed in badminton. i just hoped that the young man had the maturity to not react like that. i am not siding with the old man. if he indeed force your friend off the court with no reason whatsoever, then he is as much a bad influence on younger people. at the very least, your friend is young and probably hot headed but he is young and we expect less from him. not saying young men should be excused for their temper. it would have been more satisfying if your friend had calmly asked the old man why he wants him to exit the court rather than rattle off four letter words. make sure there's an audience so that the old man really has to have a good excuse or he would be humiliated for his unbecoming conduct of forcing your friend off the court for no reason. this is just my two cents. and no, it would not be cool for me to see a racket flying for it could have hurt someone else. :(

How long or how many sets have your friends been playing in the challange court ?

you sometimes wonder what this worlds is coming to. I never thought that there would ever be violence at a badminton match. Its a elegant sport, a sport of respect and dignity, not of stupid pigheaded violence and immature fights, very sad now!

People need to calmn down!

Where is Jerry Springer when you need him :D

I've never seened fights during badminton. you are really lucky to see one! Arguements are common, taken into considerations that most of us do not have linesmen.
Comeon, badminton is a peaceful sport!

I've never seen any physical violence at badminton sessions. Only the occasional swearing "at no particular person" when they get a bad line call or fault. The game just continues and we all just want to smash the damn shuttlecock :D YES PEOPLE! VENT your anger on the shuttlecock!

Once my friend invited my martial arts sparring team to play some badminton at the community gym. When we got there not a lot of people were present so it was pretty much only us and like 8 other guys. After a while, these 2 guys (let's call them joe and rick) who were both 17, played a single's match. Now this wasn't such a good idea since rick really hated joe, but joe just wanted to play a game, and it didn't matter who it was against. Joe ended up winning and when he went up to the net to shake hands, rick just gave him a nasty look and walked away.

Joe then made a bad remark which reallly enraged rick so rick came running back at joe and punched him in the face.:eek: Thankfully, Joe just took the punch and walked away (really calm and collected guy:cool:). I later asked him why he didn't do anything about it and said that it was his fault for swearing.(even though what he said was very mild) Anyway, I was REALLY, REALLY GLAD that they both didn't end up in a brawl, becuase unlike the fight that occured between A and B, these guys were a lot younger, and they're both champion kickboxers, so it would not have been pretty:eek:, and it would've been really hard to berak it up.

I'm still convinced that while the popular court of BC has villified Player A, Player B is far from guilty for his part in the racket swinging incident. As a comparison, Player A might have been a jerk and provoked the incident but aren't bad guys always taunting cops trying to extract a reaction. Rarely do we see a reported incident of a cop striking back. But when they do they're charged with assault, making them guilty. In our case, Player B did strike back (inflicting some facial damage) so he is as guilty as Player A.


First I'm going to assume you meant to say Player B is far from innocent. Secondly I disagree with the point I think you are making. Your example is humerous to me because where I live there dosen't seem to be a week that passes by without some news of a Cop striking a civilian with little or no provication and they are almost never charged. Also, usually the bad guys are the ones that provoke at situation and slink away. If the story here is accurate then Player A actually chased down player B became confrontational and when player B refused to yield became violent. I can tell you right now that if some one were to attack me with any kind of weapon I will resort to what ever means possible to put a stop to it. If you are player B you have no way of knowing wether this maniac is going to be happy with one shot.

I'm also very disturbed that all these incidents of violence occured in Canada home of the peacekeepers! You weren't playing at a club frequented by retired hokey players were you?

oh no,

None of them are hockey players, at least I don't think so.
The supervisor is a hockey player tho, maybe he should bring his hockey sticks to keep peace :D

i would put some chillie sauce on my shoe and ask A to chew...

Hahaha I do not like fights or violence but they were hitting each other with their rackets :p:p Big tough guys haha (note my sarcasm)

But 'A' was not being nice at all , how is 'B' supposed to learn if he never gets to play anyone of higher standard ?!

Let's say A is jerk. He just wants to play with the best players , and he thinks he's too good for the rest. I think it's normal that you want to play with guys of your skill, but you need to give starters a chance too, because if you don't give them a chance they can't get better...
About the fight... I don't fight myself, but I can become very angry when for instance i'm playing a game just for fun and my opponent starts cheating(call out when in, count wrong...)

Sorry to dig up this old thread but where did this occur?

dude player" A ' is rude and mean, i would beat the crap outta him if he do this thing to me. Strong player dun mean they can do anything to weaker player.

i should have started learning karate before i play badminton, har har har

if they wanted to fight they should have took it to the octagon or ring:D

Quite common to find these people who think they are so great and they get to choose who to play with.
Once in awhile i'll beat him so badly and will say: "The match was easy" and walked off. hehe

I have a friend , who is always mess up with people (except his friends) . I am the one that been messed up with him badly . He is the one that talk big , rude and etc. but he say to his friend that I am all that(I say all to him and he took that word and change it to me) . I already ask apologize to him even thought he the one that is wrong but he told his friend that I am a coward!
He once request me to have a match with him . But that time I cant , I have accessory problem and busy that day(he also ask me to have a bet in real money , that is illegal in my religion) . Then he say that I am a coward . DAMN IT!He also say that he have a friend that is present for national team/play in national tournament . But that is purely a lie , there is no people from my state and no people participate in that tournament unless he/she is one of BJSS(include Nusa Mahsuri and KLRC) . Anyway its a long story how I fight him , believe me Im innocent!He wrong!All of it!I have many prove!

Well , soon I want having match with him . I dont know why/what do he think that he so strong since he PARTICIPATE in school tournament and only play SOCIAL(I know that theyre some people that is good even thought only social , but that is 100% impossible to him , many prove) . Outside , I act nice to people , and that make him didnt scare me . But he start getting scare to me since I make sports records(school) and muscular record(school) . I like the way he scare it!

AHAHAHAHA!He dont know who I am yet . I didnt always show up all my talent to my friend(even thought I dont have a friend in new noob school) . I know that he is a noob because he only participate in school level(he tell me once when he on his primary school) only know to talk and just play social with his friend(yes there is a people that quite good even thought only play for social , but it is 100% possible on him!believe me!many prove of it) and that all make me confidence AHAHAHAHAHAHA!

I can easy win on him . I have many idea what to do on him before/after match(I only say all his mistake and ask him to promise that wouldnt disturb other again) . And I really cant wait for that moment!

Once he saw I play with some other students , what that I do is only give my opponent oppurtinity to smash and I just block it , and repeating . I dont do any mistake . Then when I want to go back home , he say that I am weak . I ask him to show up what he can do but he dont want to .
I really want to laugh out to him because he is PURELY A NOOB!

these guys were a lot younger, and they're both champion kickboxers, so it would not have been pretty:eek:, and it would've been really hard to berak it up.[/quote]

That berak , you should do some correction or other will think/laugh about it . In Malaysia , berak means faeces

investment in a blackboard where they can assign themselves to courts for the next round would prevent this kind of problems :D