some member express concerns that we need a system to tell if a member's comment is trustworthy or not.

to that end, BC is going to experiment with a karma system.

the way it works is quite simple. the karma system is a member-to-member award system, you can award each post that you see a positive or a negative karma depending on your reaction on it. over time, each member will gain or lose karma points. we hope that will be a more accurate measure of a member's trustworthiness.

to award a karma, this is what you do. besides each post, you can see a karma icon: http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/images/buttons/reputation.gif. clicking the icon will bring you a menu in which you can award the post either a positive or a negative karma. and that's is it!

each member can only give 25 karma awards each day. so use it wisely.

as mentioned, BC is running this as an experiment, what we want to see is genuine award of karma and i don't want this to turn the forum into a popularity contest. if we find out ppl abusing the karma system, we will turn it off.

Having clicked on the karma icon, is there any way to change your mind and not award karma? The only way out I have found is to kill my browser session.

Having clicked on the karma icon, is there any way to change your mind and not award karma? The only way out I have found is to kill my browser session.

just click anywhere outside the popout window, it will go away

ok, i'll join the experiment. :D maybe this will be a permanent fixture here. :)

Whats the point of doing this?

Hm I don't see how this is necessary.

It is only natural opinions differ, and that's what creates the discussions with so many inputs and views. I don't think they should always be considered simply negative or positive.

Don't neg karma me on this :rolleyes:

Whats the point of doing this?

Hm I don't see how this is necessary.

It is only natural opinions differ, and that's what creates the discussions with so many inputs and views. I don't think they should always be considered simply negative or positive.

One step in establishing credibility. Being the biggest badminton website in the world requires that the information posted are 'accurate enough' and 'trustworthy'. Karma points can help point the direction to those who more or less fit the criteria above in terms of their opinions, not necessarily elevating them to the level of gods in the process.

Most factual topics ie. racquet weight, Yonex manufacturing process, serial number, game rules, history, science etc will not really require them but somebody who knows how it works can be referred to.

Subjective topics ie. grip style, technique, string tension, racquet preference will be populated with information that is both right, not exactly right to wrong and very wrong, that will require some sort of compass to establish a sound argument either from experiments, experience or the depth of technical knowledge compared to one based on total speculation and emotional choice. This is where the karma system will be useful.

There is no right and wrong though - it just helps to point out that this guy is a Yonex user who prefers head heavy racquets such as the Ti-10 and strongly prefers the doubles game to singles. Hence, positive feedback can establish that this guy is at least knowledgeable about power-racquets and the doubles game and his opinion can be trusted on this subject topic.

Keep talking crap and people will be warned that this person probably speculated most of what he/she says, hence to be taken with a pinch of salt/masala/tumeric.

In US constitutional term it is called 'checks and balances' ?

Is it possible to show others karma points and hide our own points? That could negate the tendency towards a popularity driven forum.

I agree with Chire, every member should be responsible for their own critical thoughts. If their comments are noteworthy and valid, not many would challenge them. Whereas any other rubbish would invite criticism.

How i gonna know i got karma point???Just curious.

In US constitutional term it is called 'checks and balances' ?

Good post Wilfred, you have good karma. :D

How i gonna know i got karma point???Just curious.
Your user status will eventually change (don't know how) - refer to the green box to the left below your user profile. I'm not sure but if it's red you probably should beware...

Good post Wilfred, you have good karma. :D
I was born Thomas Jefferson's less famous copywriter in my past life. :D

some member express concerns that we need a system to tell if a member's comment is trustworthy or not.





One step in establishing credibility.



Good post Wilfred, you have good karma. :D





Whats the point of doing this?





Your user status...... refer to the green box to the left below your user profile. I'm not sure but if it's red you probably should beware...



Greetings,

I think there's good karma around our Badminton Central Discussion today. :):):)

BTW, I have found using kwun's recent Multi-Quotes quite challenging...... that is, to gather as many BC members' thoughts before posting a reply. But I have given it a go.

And now...... with our new Karma System, I think it is again remind us to consider a bit, before we reply any post hastily.

Cheers... chris@ccc

I would like to propose less point per day. In 10~15 pt range. Just a warning that some member might artifically infalte the Karma by sign on as another new member. May be we can use a scale level for those wiho has less than 100 posts 5 Karma points, 500 post 10 Karma pt and > 1000 post 15 Karma pt. This will not avoid the abuse, however, it might slow down.

Just a warning that some member might artifically infalte the Karma by sign on as another new member.
Or new members cannot give karma points during their first week or month or whatever.

If we give negative karma and put a comment, how does the poster see that?
Or know that one of his/her posts has been karma'd ?

each member can only give 25 karma awards each day. so use it wisely.



Any limitation toward a particular individual or a particular thread? Otherwise, during a heated debate, someone can through in 10 negative karmas toward his opponent. :eek:

He/She is not an "opponent". They are your friends. Except you know who...

good morning. time to answer some questions... ;)

How i gonna know i got karma point???Just curious.

click on "User CP" menu, it will list all your karma awards and the comments made.

Is it possible to show others karma points and hide our own points? That could negate the tendency towards a popularity driven forum.


hm.... not sure. let me check..

I would like to propose less point per day. In 10~15 pt range. Just a warning that some member might artifically infalte the Karma by sign on as another new member. May be we can use a scale level for those wiho has less than 100 posts 5 Karma points, 500 post 10 Karma pt and > 1000 post 15 Karma pt. This will not avoid the abuse, however, it might slow down.

yes. the system is quite interesting. ppl with higher seniority (longer registration) and higher post count can award more points than new comer.

new users cannot award any karma until they have 25 posts or more.

Or new members cannot give karma points during their first week or month or whatever.

in fact, members with less than 10 karma points or members with less than 25 posts don't award any karma points. they can still go through the process and leave a comment, but the points awarded will be 0.

If we give negative karma and put a comment, how does the poster see that?
Or know that one of his/her posts has been karma'd ?

click "User CP", you will see the list on the front.

Any limitation toward a particular individual or a particular thread? Otherwise, during a heated debate, someone can through in 10 negative karmas toward his opponent. :eek:

yes. after you award someone karma, you have to give at least 19 other users Karma before you can award the same person again. on top of that, there is a 25 karma click limit per day, so it is not possible to flood a person with negative karma.

overall, the system is quite sophisticated. i could see that the system was designed and refined with features to prevent abuse from users. that's one of the reason i think it maybe a feasible and valuable thing to turn on.

we need to make sure that we use it properly and be fair and honest with our feedback to other users, positive or negative.

click on "User CP" menu, it will list all your karma awards and the comments made.

click "User CP", you will see the list on the front.



Hi kwun,

I clicked on the "User CP" menu... and I can see 14 points been awarded to this thread "ANNOUNCEMENT: new Karma system", but I cannot find any list of comments made. :confused::confused::confused:

Cheers... chris@ccc

Hi kwun,

I clicked on the "User CP" menu... and I can see 14 points been awarded to this thread "ANNOUNCEMENT: new Karma system", but I cannot find any list of comments made. :confused::confused::confused:

Cheers... chris@ccc

hi chris, 4 pts was awarded to you by another user. you have 10 base karma pts so that makes 14 pts! no comment was left, so there is nothing to show. ;)

hi chris, 4 pts was awarded to you by another user. you have 10 base karma pts so that makes 14 pts! no comment was left, so there is nothing to show. ;)



Thanks kwun... for giving us karma points for our CCC Badminton. :):):)

And now... I can see how comments can be made.

Cheers... chris@ccc

How do you read or see how many Karma point the other user has?

Will there be any thing bad happen to the member has too many (-) Karma? Will I get run over by Cooler's icecream truck or eaten by the Giant Panda? I don't want to go to hell?

click on "User CP" menu, it will list all your karma awards and the comments made.



yes. after you award someone karma, you have to give at least 19 other users Karma before you can award the same person again. on top of that, there is a 25 karma click limit per day, so it is not possible to flood a person with negative karma.

1. I used the "User CP", and it only listed the points, and threads. If there's no comments, how to tell whether it's positive or negative? I assume if a green dot means positive? What's the symbol for negative?

2. 25 clicks or 25 submissions? I mean, I can click 25 users, but changed my mind for not giving karma and closed the window. Is that going to waste my daily allowance? Or, no submission means no usage? :rolleyes:

How do you read or see how many Karma point the other user has?

Will there be any thing bad happen to the member has too many (-) Karma? Will I get run over by Cooler's icecream truck or eaten by the Giant Panda? I don't want to go to hell?

Panda's don't eat hearts; especially not silent ones. Panda's eat szechuan spicy beef noodles with two eggs over easy! :D

hi chris, 4 pts was awarded to you by another user. you have 10 base karma pts so that makes 14 pts! no comment was left, so there is nothing to show. ;)

I am a bit slow to adopt to new stuff, so excuse me. :D

I don't know how the 4 pts come from? 1 pt per "other user", and total of 4 of them? Or, 4 pt per a particular user (and based on his post / seniority)?

I am a bit slow to adopt to new stuff, so excuse me. :D

I don't know how the 4 pts come from? 1 pt per "other user", and total of 4 of them? Or, 4 pt per a particular user (and based on his post / seniority)?

we don't know. they are accumulated points. ;)

2. 25 clicks or 25 submissions? I mean, I can click 25 users, but changed my mind for not giving karma and closed the window. Is that going to waste my daily allowance? Or, no submission means no usage? :rolleyes:

25 submissions.

How do you read or see how many Karma point the other user has?




I am 2nd on this. Now, I can only see a sorted list of others, to determine who's "more trustworthy" than others. It will be great to see the points of others, rather than the "rank". :rolleyes:

How do you read or see how many Karma point the other user has?

you don't know exactly how many points other users have. but you can tell from the green icon under their username what level they are at.


Will there be any thing bad happen to the member has too many (-) Karma? Will I get run over by Cooler's icecream truck or eaten by the Giant Panda? I don't want to go to hell?

no. the whole thing is just an indicator, an indicator that both you and others can see. if you make rude posts and get karma'ed down, and you are ok with that, then it is fine.

what it boils down to is that BC is a community, and it is up to you to decide how other person perceives you as a member. the karma is just an indicator to show you how you have done.

Will there be any thing bad happen to the member has too many (-) Karma? Will I get run over by Cooler's icecream truck or eaten by the Giant Panda? I don't want to go to hell?

another interesting thing is that potentially there could be actual rewards handed out to members who gather enough Karma points. perhaps things like a special font for their title, or a larger PM box. rewarding the member for being a good citizen of the community, and encourage other members to be so as well.

we will have to see how good the system come out to be to make a decision.

So we have just green for good (+). What color is for 0 or (-)?
Sorry for the bad joke earlier.

So we have just green for good (+). What color is for 0 or (-)?
Sorry for the bad joke earlier.

yellow or red, i think.

I for one hope that nobody turn into rabbits just because they have 'disciplinary cards' now - if a point is worth making, do so as long as it is within the confines of decorum.

Disagreeing (within reason) is good.

yeah, i agree. so far i have not used any negative karma coz to disagree is what discussion is all about. as long as we do in a gentlemanly (though really i am a woman, and women dont need to be categorized as gentle as we are naturally sweet natured creature, yeah right! self sarcasm there :D) manner (meaning no cursing, no personal attack on a person individuality...etc). so far two has received my positive karma because their posts made me smile. and i believe smiling is good karma. and laughter is the best medicine. hehehehe :D.

good morning. time to answer some questions... ;)



click on "User CP" menu, it will list all your karma awards and the comments made.



Thanks a lot kwun ,now i understand....:D;)

yes. after you award someone karma, you have to give at least 19 other users Karma before you can award the same person again.
I don't think I'm so keen on this.
Unless it resets every day or something.
I don't forsee myself handing out even 10 karma a day, maybe only 10 a week.

Can you give the same person a + and a - without having to give to 19 others?

I don't think I'm so keen on this.
Unless it resets every day or something.
I don't forsee myself handing out even 10 karma a day, maybe only 10 a week.

Can you give the same person a + and a - without having to give to 19 others?

That is why I suggest may be 15 max perday. Agree with Neil, we should be able to give Karma to the same person like ever other day without reaching the 20 different karma before the same person.

some member express concerns that we need a system to tell if a member's comment is trustworthy or not.

to that end, BC is going to experiment with a karma system.

..well, well, what has kwun done this time again??:p...i've been away for about a week, and bam, kwun has a new karma system installed in BC...:eek::confused::p..
And i see there are a couple new icons next to the users' post(s) as well..hmmmm..BC is getting more 'sophisticated'..hehe;):D:cool:
BTW, I have found using kwun's recent Multi-Quotes quite challenging...... that is, to gather as many BC members' thoughts before posting a reply. But I have given it a go.
..yes, it takes a bit of getting used to, but it should be pretty straightforward after a couple of tries. However, it could be a bit cumbersome when one wants to use the feature in a pretty lengthy thread(more than 10 pages)..:p
Will there be any thing bad happen to the member has too many (-) Karma? Will I get run over by Cooler's icecream truck or eaten by the Giant Panda? I don't want to go to hell?
..this thread reminds me a bit of a previous thread/post(which is pretty humorous and entertaining) made by quisitor, or we like to call him Q, a few months ago, here: http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=39023 :p;)

sorry, double post. :-\

Agree with Neil, we should be able to give Karma to the same person like ever other day without reaching the 20 different karma before the same person.

I am 3rd on this.

The # of regular posters are very limited. It's almost impossible to find enough "others", if I found multiple good posts from the same poster. ;)

I like this idea..

For me, kartha, my karma will decide the kriya.

Lets seee what my Karma got in store for me..

For karma,
Kris

I am 3rd on this.

It's almost impossible to find enough "others", if I found multiple good posts from the same poster. ;)
It's alright LB, I can wait for the next turn. I think you're boss too. ;)

I 4th the idea about multiple karma to the same person.

ok. i have reduced the number to 10. so you need to give karma to 10 different members before you can give it to the same member again.

Darn.. Now I am getting afraid of being sarcastic to stupid or incorrect posts... darn... I can almost already feel Cooldob sucking away my Karma ;-)

Cheers,
dudes

There's nothing wrong with sarcasm if done without malice, just don't overdo it and at the appropriate moments - one done at the right time may actually be funny without taking away the context of your disagreement.

As for 'incorrect posts', if it meant your preference for only white-coloured replacement grips, you can tell those who make an issue of it to sod off. ;)

Greetings,

The best effect of any forum is that it excites the reader to voice his/her opinion. :):):)

But as Chinese philosopher, Confucius, c.550-478 BC, said...

"For one word a man is often declared to be wise, and for one word he can be judged to be foolish. We should be careful indeed what we say."



Cheers... chris@ccc

But as Chinese philosopher, Confucius, c.550-478 BC, said...

"For one word a man is often declared to be wise, and for one word he can be judged to be foolish. We should be careful indeed what we say."

..from this thread??...:confused::rolleyes::eek::crying::D:p;)
http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=32883

Here's a new one

Greetings,
But as Malaysian philosopher, Wilfred, c.1979 - ? BC, said...

"For one emoticon he is often declared to be wise, and for many emoticons he can be judged to be foolish/confused/overreacting. We should be careful indeed of how much we emot."

Here's a new one

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That's fine because you're trying to wind me up with that - there's a purpose. :)

While :D:p:p:):D:D:cool: doesn't.

YEAH!

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Oooh! I likeeeeee!
You have included 33 images in your message. You are limited to using 30 images so please go back and correct the problem and then continue again.

So that's 6 of the :eek: beheaded.

..from this thread??...:confused::rolleyes::eek::crying::D:p;)
http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=32883




Hey ctjcad,

Thank you for the link...

It will take me a long, long time to digest what was posted there about Confucius. :):):)

Is that the longest post@Badminton Central ??? :confused::confused::confused:

And, here is another quotation... :):):)
Indian religious teacher and founder of Buddhism, Buddha, 563-483 BC, said...

"Through zeal, knowledge is gained, through lack of zeal, knowledge is lost. Let a man who knows this double path of gain and loss thus place himself that knowledge may grow."

Cheers... chris@ccc

I thought Sir Dink is a gentle panda? Looks like he turns into a very emotional panda now! Need more karma to calm him down! :p:D

I thought Sir Dink is a gentle panda? Looks like he turns into a very emotional panda now! Need more karma to calm him down! :p:D



Hi Linus,

I think there's good karma around Badminton Central today. :):):)

Cheers... chris@ccc

I thought Sir Dink is a gentle panda? Looks like he turns into a very emotional panda now! Need more karma to calm him down! :p:D

No, panda needs more bamboo in the form of AT900Ts! But karma is good too. :p

The fall of bamboo forests in the name of development and progress has seen pandas developing a taste for graphite shafts it seems. It is expected that the improvement in fabrication technology will spur their appetite towards the more exotic carbon nanotubes in the near future.

They still however, prefer the more expensive Japanese variety developed by a former maker of fishing nets and wooden floats, now the most popular brand of graphite shafts with interlocking strings in the world.

What they do with the nylon strings are however, open to speculation. Many theorised that they were used as fishing lines.

No, panda needs more bamboo in the form of AT900Ts! But karma is good too. :p
hey panda, do u find the 900T more head heavier than the 800DE?

hey panda, do u find the 900T more head heavier than the 800DE?

Yes, significantly.

damn, now I have to be nice and suck up to people ;)

I like the system, and it should work ebtter when it's fully implemented and better known (I think I saw a forum who called it 'rep' it worked quite well, though many posters post a "+rep" in the specific thread in order to show who did it...)

the only risk I see is a certain distrust to newer members, or dictactor member...
"my karma is high, therefore I'm right" or a "you can't be right, you're just a newbie".
Though it's certainly a better standard than just postcount ;)

the only risk I see is a certain distrust to newer members, or dictactor member...
"my karma is high, therefore I'm right" or a "you can't be right, you're just a newbie".
Though it's certainly a better standard than just postcount ;)

Karma is another reference, just as post count, age, english language standard, etc. It's a matter that the reader pick who s/he should trust, especially in some special forums, such as "market place" or "place to play". I would rather trust a local newbie's gym opening hours, coaching fees and gym rentals, rather than someone from another region, who has no idea about the local situation.

yeah, i'm still not sure how much value this all adds to the forum. ok, i can understand that if i'm new, and am in desperate need for advice, the karma system might be a quick and straightforward indicator of whose opinion is more likely to be trustworthy. however, i think that once you've visited the site longer enough, ie perhaps have read about 100 posts or so, you'd have formed your own opinions about the posters here, especially the regular ones.

for me, i have a list in my head of members whose opinions i hold in higher regard than the general population. some based on what they've contributed in the past, some simply based on the fact that their tastes/preferences are similar to mine, hence if they like something, chances are i will too.

some people i just like/dislike because i'm
1) racist
2) sexist
3) ageist
4) weightist
5) intellectist
6) languagist
7) otherist .... please specify

(please circle as many as appropriate)

:p

Can I just save time and do one big circle for all of the above? :p...;)...:D:D:D

P.S. "Otherist" is very witty and new material for me. Positive karma for you for coming up with that word! LMAO! :p


some people i just like/dislike because i'm
1) racist
2) sexist
3) ageist
4) weightist
5) intellectist
6) languagist
7) otherist .... please specify

(please circle as many as appropriate)

:p

hahaha, cheers, i was thinking about how many bigotries there were out there, well, mental block after 6 so i thought i'd just wrap them all up into 1. in fact, the 6th is a bit iffy as well.

How could the concept of racism influence your style of play ie. offensive vs defensive?

well, if i'm playng against someone of a race i don't like, then i get more offensive! :p

before you guys flame me, let me say that i'm just kidding. i meant to say that being a bigot makes me like others less according to the list (which again is another joke, i'm not really like that, you believe me, right? :o).

How could the difference in gender influence your preference of the NSS over the OSS?

ah, that one's easy ...
playing with women is always more fun, hence i prefer longer games when playing with them, hence i prefer the OSS when playing against women and NSS when playing against men.

again, i'm not being serious, i'm convinced wilfred here is trying to get my banned or trying to get others to bomb my inbox with hate mail.

How could the generation gap influence your preferred string tension?

How could a player of different weight influence what sort of shuttle you prefer?

How could the language tendencies of the other person determine your view of Lin Dan?

...

Of course I'm just taking the piss but as you can that see most bigotry are simply that, unreasonable. :)

If you get banned for daring to form an opinion or being different than the lemmings on here then they don't deserve you at all. ;)

How could the generation gap influence your preferred string tension?

How could a player of different weight influence what sort of shuttle you prefer?

How could the language tendencies of the other person determine your view of Lin Dan?

...

Of course I'm just taking the piss but as you can that see most bigotry are simply that, unreasonable. :)

1) playing against older folk who are more experienced, i need to be quicker and faster so generally a higher string tension.

2) playing against heavier folk, i prefer a faster shuttle so i can win points by forcing them to run around more.

3) i understand english a lot more than, say, russian so predominantly english speakers (or writers as the case may be) will get through to me more effectively and hence potentially influence my views more.

of course bigotry is unreasonable, otherwise we wouldn't be having so many problems in the world today .... :cool:

If you get banned for daring to form an opinion or being different than the lemmings on here then they don't deserve you at all. ;)

great though, i haven't been flamed yet, so i'm guess we're alright. though we are going way off topic now ....

however, i think that once you've visited the site longer enough, ie perhaps have read about 100 posts or so, you'd have formed your own opinions about the posters here, especially the regular ones.

for me, i have a list in my head of members whose opinions i hold in higher regard than the general population. some based on what they've contributed in the past, some simply based on the fact that their tastes/preferences are similar to mine, hence if they like something, chances are i will too.


I can't agree more than these above. ;) Reference is reference, the confort level, only yourself know.

some member express concerns that we need a system to tell if a member's comment is trustworthy or not.

to that end, BC is going to experiment with a karma system.

if we find out ppl abusing the karma system, we will turn it off.






Whats the point of doing this?






If you get banned for daring to form an opinion or being different than the lemmings on here then they don't deserve you at all. ;)






Karma is another reference, just as post count, ...






Darn.. Now I am getting afraid of being sarcastic to stupid or incorrect posts...






ok, i can understand that if i'm new, and am in desperate need for advice, the karma system might be a quick and straightforward indicator of whose opinion is more likely to be trustworthy. however, i think that once you've visited the site longer enough, ie perhaps have read about 100 posts or so, you'd have formed your own opinions about the posters here, especially the regular ones.






I thought Sir Dink is a gentle panda? Looks like he turns into a very emotional panda now! Need more karma to calm him down! :p:D






I can't agree more than these above. ;) Reference is reference, the confort level, only yourself know.






Though it's certainly a better standard than just postcount ;)




Greetings folks,

For me, to look at a member's postcount, we have to get into more details. :):):)

For a member's postcount, we need to find out more about what category/section of our forums that that member is most emotional/passionate and/or have most knowledge in.

Some of our members are found to have great knowledge and to be very emotional/passionate in Tournaments, some in Techniques & Training, some in Equipments, some in Market Place, etc...

But a member with better knowledge in Equipments & Market Place might not know what is good for Techniques & Training, etc...

And so, if we are to assume that this member(with high postcount), when commenting on Technique & Training, should be reliable when he/she is commenting on it... we might be misled. :eek::eek::eek:

Anyway, you might all know that I am most emotional/passionate about promoting the NSS, and to move away from the OSS. And guess what, I was given negative karma because I defended the NSS. :crying::crying::crying:

But then again... It is not best that we should all think alike. :):):)


Cheers... chris@ccc

yeah, i guess that is the weakness of this karma thingy. people who gives out bad karma simply because they dont agree with the other person's argument. we should only give out bad karma for posts that are in bad taste and maybe have personal attack or lots of swearing. but that is just my opinion. :)

yeah, i guess that is the weakness of this karma thingy. people who gives out bad karma simply because they dont agree with the other person's argument. we should only give out bad karma for posts that are in bad taste and maybe have personal attack or lots of swearing. but that is just my opinion. :)
What she said.

(+) karma for good arguments on subject matter - nothing on behaviour, otherwise we'll see lots ... *trying to find a polite word for shoe shining* going on to become popular

(-) karma for contentious posts ie. character attack, personal abuse, racist, sexist, ageist, weightist... ;)

(0) karma for neutral and speculative posts that don't warrant (-) or (+) karma points

Karma points is good to establish the 'knowledge aura' of the person rather than how nicely they behave or how many expensive racquets are in their possession.

(-) karma points can serve to warn others about this person's credibility whilst chronic cases would've been dealt with by the mods themselves already.

Still, mods can change karma points to reduce or balance the (-) if it is done as abuse, especially if one person's view is not necessarily contentious but controversial enough to get some (-) points from certain members of the forum. One person might mean well but others who don't share his ideas may be (-)ved for being different.

Just noticed that I got just about all karma points from the karma thread.

I'll probably be reborn as a byte-size positive charge.

Anyway, you might all know that I am most emotional/passionate about promoting the NSS, and to move away from the OSS. And guess what, I was given negative karma because I defended the NSS. :crying::crying::crying:


Every system can be abused by certain individuals, as they don't understand the system themselves. Feel sorry for you, but myself more than willing to see your posts, even though, I am a die-hard supporter for OSS (especially for lower level tournaments). :p

(+) karma for good arguments on subject matter




Hi wilfredlgf,

Disagree. :):):)

Even foolish arguments are right sometimes.

Mixing a little foolishness with some seriousness, at the right time, can be wonderful.



(-) karma for contentious posts ie. character attack, personal abuse, racist, sexist, ageist, weightist... ;)




Agree. :):):)

Badminton Central is not a place for character attack, personal abuse, racist, sexist, ageist, weightist...




Karma points is good to establish the 'knowledge aura' of the person...




But let us be grateful for any point raised by a poster with little knowledge of a subject matter.

Any point raised by a poster may trigger off interesting debates for the rest of our BC'ers later. :)


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Every system can be abused by certain individuals, as they don't understand the system themselves. Feel sorry for you, but myself more than willing to see your posts, even though, I am a die-hard supporter for OSS (especially for lower level tournaments). :p




Hi LazyBuddy,

Based on the latest poll today, 4-Aug-2007, NSS(43%) is still behind your OSS(57%).

However, if I am possessed of the idea that NSS is better for Badminton in the long run, I can't help but to express myself what is so good about the NSS. :):):)

In Melbourne, Australia, I would say that 99% of our players are still continuing playing the OSS. So... you could guess it, that I am still playing the OSS. :):):)

Anyway, the OSS is the system that I played with when I was first introduced to Badminton. And I know how to use the OSS, and enjoy it to the fullest. :p:p:p

Cheers... chris@ccc

Hi wilfredlgf,

Disagree. :):):)

Even foolish arguments are right sometimes.

Mixing a little foolishness with some seriousness, at the right time, can be wonderful.

Why would an argument be foolish if it is good? Perhaps you were looking at the appearance of the argument, whilst I am more towards the gist of message itself.

i had click the User CP bar there, after i click 1 thing about karma also i dindnt get.. there put new subscribed thread... so how can i check my karma and comment... may b kwun u can help? or other member...?

how can i check my karma ...





Hi george@chongwei,

If you direct your pointer(controlled by your mouse) to the Green Square under the Posts Count of any New/Regular Member or Registered User, you will get a message of how our posters are categorised, such as;

(1) Member/User is heading the right direction
(2) Member/User is on a distinguished road
(3) Member/User is an unknown quantity at this point

Perhaps, there are more categories... ones that I have not come across yet.

And, I have noticed that you are on a distinguished road. :):):)

Cheers... chris@ccc

chris,how can i know my comment?

chris,how can i know my comment?

if you click "User CP" near the top left of the screen, you should see a list of comments. if there are none, that means none have been given to you.

If you direct your pointer(controlled by your mouse) to the Green Square under the Posts Count of any New/Regular Member or Registered User, you will get a message of how our posters are categorised, such as;

(1) Member/User is heading the right direction
(2) Member/User is on a distinguished road
(3) Member/User is an unknown quantity at this point

Perhaps, there are more categories... ones that I have not come across yet.




Hi kwun,

I've just checked your Green Square, and found another category not listed in my previous post.

(4) Member/User/Administrator will become famous soon enough :):):)

Cheers... chris@ccc

What exactly did kwun do become 'famous soon enough'?

What exactly did kwun do become 'famous soon enough'?




Perhaps it's the 14,000+ posts count that should be in the 'Quiness Book Of Records'. :):):)

Perhaps it's the 14,000+ posts count that should be in the 'Quiness Book Of Records'. :):):)


that's Guinness, mate, the drink known as 'black gold'.
or was that crude oil?
:p

hey kwun, where can we find a list of the various karmatic categories and how many points one needs to achieve 'enlightenment'?

hey kwun, where can we find a list of the various karmatic categories and how many points one needs to achieve 'enlightenment'?

With current rate, leading horses like master panda, master kwun, and master SH will slowly show you all the "levels". ;)

hey kwun, where can we find a list of the various karmatic categories and how many points one needs to achieve 'enlightenment'?

what the fun in that? you guys will have to find out as times goes on. ;) :D

(-) Karma for repeated emoticons! :mad:

I notice that I have a couple of neutral karma awards (the square is grey-blue, rather than green or red).

How do you give neutral karma? And why?

**edit** I should have guessed:

in fact, members with less than 10 karma points or members with less than 25 posts don't award any karma points. they can still go through the process and leave a comment, but the points awarded will be 0.

I notice that I have a couple of neutral karma awards (the square is grey-blue, rather than green or red).

How do you give neutral karma? And why?

**edit** I should have guessed:

(-) Karma for not being observant!
:D

i've never given anyone negative karma before... unless someone is spamming or being rude... but i got NEGATIVE KARMA!!! ME! NEGATIVE KARMA!!!!

one for saying: i dont think its a big slap.... its like a light pinch to remind the arrogant LYB that he is not all supreme...

would like the indo players to start winning more... kind of boring to see china vs china again and again in the women's department, makes many people lose interest (bad for the sport)...
in the thread 'a big slap to LYB'
apparantly the person (looks around accusingly) said that: disliking LiYongBo is not a good reason to slap him... I'm like WTH??? i didn't slap LYB? I was being sacarstic and i contributed by commenting that other nations should improve...

another one (gives everyone evils) is:

wah... now in this forum there are no chinese...

so lets make wild predictions

MS: LCW
MD: KKK TBH
WD: CEH WPT
WS: WMC
XD: NW LN

LOL!
where i got 10 karma points taken off!!! i was merely joking and to some extent, complimenting that it would be a 'wild prediction' for China not to win any medals... apparantly the person thought:
u should respect others whether they are around or not

and now i'm untrustworthy :(

just my rants... dont un-karma me!

You probably won't get a (-) karma if you put in some (logical) support or spin your 'slap LYB' statements a little as I am pretty sure not everybody likes him either - just learn to be a lot more careful or express your points in a more tactful manner.

Instead of 'slap LYB' as being too direct, a 'introduce his cheeks to my palm' may be 'less severe' and may even be funny since nobody uses that expression.

It's all about how you express it.

You probably won't get a (-) karma if you put in some (logical) support or spin your 'slap LYB' statements a little as I am pretty sure not everybody likes him either - just learn to be a lot more careful or express your points in a more tactful manner.

Instead of 'slap LYB' as being too direct, a 'introduce his cheeks to my palm' may be 'less severe' and may even be funny since nobody uses that expression.

It's all about how you express it.


lol, i never actually said SLAP LYB... the thread wasnt started by me. All I said it was a reminding pinch...

lol, i never actually said SLAP LYB... the thread wasnt started by me. All I said it was a reminding pinch...

You may simply have been unlucky.

Bear in mind that different types of thread attract different people. Far be it from me to pass judgement, but that type of "badminton fan discussing top players/coaches" thread might attract less mature members, with fanboy-ish leanings. ;)

Naturally not all karma will be "fair". Over many iterations, however, your true worth (as perceived by the BC community) should emerge from your karma ratings. Small comfort, perhaps, if your only karma so far is an "unfair" negative award. :(

damnit I've been nice, polite and friendly for two weeks now...help em out people!

nah, just kidding ;)

I'd say the massive contributors here deserve their ratings, Gollum, Dink, Silentheart, Pete come to mind...Me? I'd rather stay out of the limelight (;) I'd make a fool out of myself)

It's only an approximate system anyway -- a rough guide. That, I suppose, is why we don't have "karma points" displayed (like a post count). It's not intended to form a direct ranking system (which would be divisive).

The thing I like most about this is I can see what other people find helpful (or unhelpful!). For one thing, this gives me some clues about writing articles...

The thing I like most about this is I can see what other people find helpful (or unhelpful!).




Agree with you Gollum,

We should think that karma points, positive/negative, should only be given when some helpful/unhelpful comments are posted to promote/demote our beloved Badminton.

Karma points, positive/negative, should not be given when agreement/disagreement arises. :):)

Cheers... chris@ccc

Well, I'll give negative karma if somebody starts to flame other people, or starts trolling, etc.

Well, I'll give negative karma if somebody starts to flame other people, or starts trolling, etc.

this is true, totally agree.
this is sports' webpage and we talk, we discuss in badminton aspects..:D
not to discrimate country, city, race, religion etc....:mad: or even bombarding each other here...
here, we share all about badminton. good advices are given to those who need. here, we strive to have better skills, techniques and equipments....:D:D

this is true, totally agree.
this is sports' webpage and we talk, we discuss in badminton aspects..:D
not to discrimate country, city, race, religion etc....:mad: or even bombarding each other here...
here, we share all about badminton. good advices are given to those who need. here, we strive to have better skills, techniques and equipments....:D:D

very well said. +ve karma to drifit.

and now i'm untrustworthy :(



Don't be bothered too much regarding Karma. To tell you the truth, myself seldomly check ppl's karma before reading their posts. If the contains are useful to me, I will take the advice, regardless his/her karma or post count. If the contain is useless, I won't even bother to continue.

So, no need to feel upset, as long as the majority here accept your input, you are in good shape. ;)

Agree with you Gollum,

We should think that karma points, positive/negative, should only be given when some helpful/unhelpful comments are posted to promote/demote our beloved Badminton.

Karma points, positive/negative, should not be given when agreement/disagreement arises. :):)

Cheers... chris@ccc
Correct but unfortunately emotion overrules and karma exchanged are often not content based.

At first i was indifference of the new karma system. Now, after receiving many karma points, i'm seeing abuses from what it was originally intended.
I thanks those who gave me +ve karmas based on my post content. However, and unfortunately, some -ve karmas i got were just plan personal vendettas and not base on content usefulessness. Ex. I make a post highlighting his incorrect information and in return i get a -ve karma from him/her. I'm not saying everybody else does this or it's a long term trend but i'm just highlighting the potential misuse of the karma system

Karma points, positive/negative, should not be given when agreement/disagreement arises.






I make a post highlighting his incorrect information and in return i get a -ve karma from him/her.




Hi cooler,

Feel sorry for you. But we should stay cool. :cool::cool::cool:

Members at Badminton Central should be grateful that we have a forum here to discuss and to exchange information.

And, regarding karma points, I believe that...
Karma points should be given to members who post useful and informative comments.
Karma points should not be given when agreement/disagreement arises.

When we are talking about our agreement/disagreement, we are always trapped in our own little world... this is because we argue from what we have seen or from what we have been told.

Having said that, I just want to remind everyone@BC that we should be open-minded on many topics here at BC, and also to remind us that "What we see" and "What we know" are 2 separate different matters. How can I explain this ??? :confused:

Ah... Perhaps this example below might illustrate what I mean...

Everyday, I see the Sun revolves around our Earth, even though I know that the Earth revolves around the Sun. :):):)


Cheers... chris@ccc

Everyday, I see the Sun revolves around our Earth, even though I know that the Earth revolves around the Sun.

Actually, the Sun does revolve around the Earth. How else do you explain what you see? :p

It entirely depends on your frame of reference. If we only consider the motion of the two bodies, Earth and Sun, then it is impossible to decide which is the "centre".

Include the other planets, however, and it's much simpler to think in terms of the Earth rotating around the Sun. If you think in terms of the Sun rotating around the Earth, then the movement of the other planets is much harder to understand. We choose a frame of reference that makes the motions easiest to understand.

Nonetheless, there is no correct or incorrect frame of reference: that's a fundamental tenet of relativity. If you allow privileged frames of reference, then you're back to an absolute theory of space (Newtonian). Therefore it is equally correct to say that the Sun revolves around the Earth.

The Earth revolves around itself
There is no great riddle
Be true unto yourself
And the karma will mean little

...... Having said that, I just want to remind everyone@BC that we should be open-minded on many topics here at BC, and also to remind us that "What we see" and "What we know" are 2 separate different matters. How can I explain this ??? :confused:

Ah... Perhaps this example below might illustrate what I mean...

Everyday, I see the Sun revolves around our Earth, even though I know that the Earth revolves around the Sun. :):):)







Actually, the Sun does revolve around the Earth. How else do you explain what you see? :p






The Earth revolves around itself.




Greetings,

This last 3 posts demonstrate the point of what I have said... that in a discussion, we could be talking about different things. :):):)

chris@ccc... gravitational pull
Gollum........ frame of reference
quisitor........ axial rotation of the earth

And we hope that no karma points were given via this misunderstanding. :p:p:p

Cheers... chris@ccc

The Earth revolves around itself
There is no great riddle
Be true unto yourself
And the karma will mean little
That's too complex for my brain to handle :confused::confused::confused::confused: (I'm only 14, gimme a break...)

But @Cooler- the (-) Karma that you've been given doesn't really mean anything; to be around the forums for multiple years, have contributed in many ways, and to have 12685:eek::eek::eek::eek: posts that aren't all spam mean that you're just a victem of personal attacks, or people are just being whiny (like the people that always say "HELP HELP:crying::crying::crying::crying::crying:) and cannot accept your truthful comments. Dont' worry about it, cause the people that actually judge people based off of Karma people that think that this karma thing is a popularity ranking system.

Actually, I've been thinking about this kinda issues for a while. Maybe we should only be able to give "+" karma, but not allowed to give any negative ones. This way, we can still praise the ones contributing to the community, but won't abuse the system as "agree vs. disagree". Only the mods can give negative comments, base on their own observation or reports from members (after verification).

Just a thought. :rolleyes:

With such a system in place, we are saying that General Consensus is definitely trustworthy, simply because a person with high karma 'should' be regarded as credible.

And if we always agree that the general consensus is correct, this system have pretty well outlived its purpose
some member express concerns that we need a system to tell if a member's comment is trustworthy or not.

we don't need a system to gauge someone's reliability. Especially when the system works on the basis of "democracy" or "majority is always right". When a thread is created seeking helpful response, one can see for himself the differing viewpoints and pass his own judgement. It should be conspicuous enough which viewpoint is shared by the most people, and hence deemed trustworthy as agreed on by most BC members.

If there comes a day when over 50% of the replies from a thread is of questionable integrity, thinking that a Karma system helps would be illogical and contradictory. Simply because the karma point awarders and posters are from the same member populace

So personally I don't think a karma system would be that necessary nor useful. :cool:(this post gonna plummet my karma):p

So personally I don't think a karma system would be that necessary nor useful. :cool:(this post gonna plummet my karma):pmore like DivingKarma:p

Hmmm i don't know weather this Karma thingy works or not. IMO, its kinda useless? You can't see pll's karma. And you can only know your own Karma points.

I may have alot of Karma points.. but maybe i'm not that credible! ehhehe. But rest assure that i dont think i have alot of karma points compare to others.

Some pll may not have Karma points and i'm sure lots of them are credible in their own way.

Is there a way to view other people's karma? Perhaps it can be shown along with the User's info. For example:

ants (http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/member.php?u=620) vbmenu_register("postmenu_652148", true);
Regular Member

Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Malaysian Global Citizen
Posts: 8,556
Reputation: 500

I've seen it done on other forums before as well.

Actually, I've been thinking about this kinda issues for a while. Maybe we should only be able to give "+" karma, but not allowed to give any negative ones. This way, we can still praise the ones contributing to the community, but won't abuse the system as "agree vs. disagree". Only the mods can give negative comments, base on their own observation or reports from members (after verification).

Just a thought. :rolleyes:






we don't need a system to gauge someone's reliability. Especially when the system works on the basis of "democracy" or "majority is always right".

So personally I don't think a karma system would be that necessary nor useful. :cool:(this post gonna plummet my karma):p






Hmmm i don't know weather this Karma thingy works or not. IMO, its kinda useless?




Greetings,

Currently, to those who have higher Karma Points, they must be thinking that they have done something good@Badminton Central.

Perhaps LazyBuddy's suggestion of "Only the mods can give negative comments, base on their own observation or reports from members (after verification)" might be the best solution.

However, we need our BC moderators to gauge this. But, it will be extra work for our BC moderators. :(:(:(

It's similar to deleting members' post, closing members' thread, banning members, etc...

I'm sure this Karma System is giving kwun a bit of headache. :):):)

Cheers... chris@ccc

I think everybody is taking this Karma system way too serious. Anyone with a slightest hint of critical thinking wouldn't rely on the system to judge whose post is better. Many regulars would read most new posts anyways given the number of times they professed to check up on BForum.

At best, the Karma system can serve as a general indicator of who's friendly(popular) and/or knowledgeable(opinionated) amongst the regular members. It is a nice feedback(reinforcement) for the poster to continue posting constructively. Other than that, I see it as redundant because folks who appreciate your contribution would tell you on the forum anyways. Even if they don't, it really doesn't matter unless popularity is your objective.

It is a nice feedback(reinforcement) for the poster to continue posting constructively.

Yes, I think that's the main use of karma: it helps us see what other members find helpful. And the reverse: it can discourage us from getting involved in heated arguments.

I've been involved in a few heated arguments on these forums, and I've seen much, much worse on other forums. I've even watched, horrified but fascinated, as one forum all but burned to the ground in an all-out flamewar (okay, it recovered; but the fall-out was not pretty).

It's often difficult to detach oneself -- I know it's hard, I've failed at this plenty of times -- but it benefits no-one to continue an impassioned debate over the internet. Forums are a poor medium for passionate exchanges!

Although negative karma may sometimes be given "unfairly", I'm not convinced that we should revoke the right to award it. It serves a purpose: it shows that someone feels aggrieved by your words.

That person's grievance might be completely unreasonable. Nonetheless, the negative karma is a reminder that some interactions have been unedifying. That might be the other person's "fault", but perhaps the negative karma is a hint about what kind of interactions to avoid in the future, just as the positive karma is a hint about what kind of interactions to seek.

That's all it is though: a hint. It's not a good assessment of your value. Take it with a pinch of salt.

On the subject of unedifying forum interactions, I think that Mike Reed's Flame Warriors (http://redwing.hutman.net/%7Emreed/) is salutary and entertaining reading. I'm ashamed to admit I sometimes behave like Royalty (http://redwing.hutman.net/%7Emreed/warriorshtm/royals.htm), and occasionally I've assumed the poise of the Kung-Fu master (http://redwing.hutman.net/%7Emreed/warriorshtm/kungfumaster.htm) (and been secretly pleased with myself, of course); but I'm pleased to say the BC forums are largely devoid of such amusing pettiness. ;)

on the converse end....would it be a disincentive for low karma posters to continue posting? :P

on the converse end....would it be a disincentive for low karma posters to continue posting? :P

Why? Because they feel upset?

Are people really that sensitive about karma?

Perhaps LazyBuddy's suggestion of "Only the mods can give negative comments, base on their own observation or reports from members (after verification)" might be the best solution.

However, we need our BC moderators to gauge this. But, it will be extra work for our BC moderators. :(:(:(




I agree, and I understand how much effor and time our mods already put in.

To "support" my own suggestion :D, I think we might do the following: Promote another member (of course, well trusted by most members) be to the karma mod. S/he will mainly in charge of the "Karma complains" from members, and determine whether it's legit to give negative Karma to the "target". If s/he willing to do so, s/he can also minitoring some threads (i.e. debating) w/o even being informed from members. If s/he decides the thread is way out of control, lock/delete the thread, as well as send warning or negative karmas to the involved members.

From what my own observation, I see only a very small percent of members receive significant amount of negative karma. Therefore, the "target pool" should be very limited. Therefore, should not be crazy OT for anyone.


Overall, with some monitoring, we can still let everyone give "+" karmas to show their respect, but greatly eliminate childish behavior of "I don't like u, I screw you". :rolleyes:

I'm not sensitive to the karma here at all. I was just highlighting the potential misuse of the karma distribution mechanism here. Also, how does new members judge a poster with good or bad karma weighting when they can't see that poster's karma at all?

I'm not sensitive to the karma here at all. I was just highlighting the potential misuse of the karma distribution mechanism here. Also, how does new members judge a poster with good or bad karma weighting when they can't see that poster's karma at all?

I don't think the karma is particularly useful for judging the "reputation" of a poster or assessing the credibility of his posts. Karma is not visible, and I'd expect people to judge a post by its content rather than the author's karma.

As far as I can see, the main value of karma is as a feedback system for the author.

Huh? That's strange:confused:. For a time I thought everybody could see other people's Karma points. Did Kwun switch that off?

Huh? That's strange:confused:. For a time I thought everybody could see other people's Karma points. Did Kwun switch that off?

I think we've only ever been able to see two things: the green box (or red, or grey), and the vague, quirky description that appears when you hover the mouse over.

I don't recall ever seeing karma points (except my own).

ah, if everyone in the world wasn't sensitive to a certain extent about what's happening around them, we might be living in a much more tolerant society.

i do agree though that the 'tolerance' or 'friendliness' in BC is much better than in other forums i've seen, long may it continue.

would it be a disincentive for low karma posters to continue posting?






if everyone in the world wasn't sensitive to a certain extent about what's happening around them, we might be living in a much more tolerant society.

i do agree though that the 'tolerance' or 'friendliness' in BC is much better than in other forums i've seen...




Greetings,

It is great that our members@BC, with passion for our beloved Badminton, to continue posting. :)

We are bound to have agreement and disagreement. Our Forum@BC would be dull, boring, uninteresting and tiresome if our members agree with everything posted.

If tolerance and friendliness are shared, then we'll become a happy family. :cool::cool::cool:

Please do not allow negative karma points to discourage us from posting@BC.

Cheers... chris@ccc

To be honest, after the first 2 weeks of the karma thingy was introduced, I no longer pay much attention on that little green box. I still read each postings as they are without much regard to the poster's karmal rating nor their post counts.

I really appreciate those regular contributors, who are very good in their respecitve area of speciality, their post content and substance speak for themselves - keep them coming!

Please do not allow negative karma points to discourage us from posting@BC.

Cheers... chris@ccc (chris@ccc)

my sentiments exactly! To all the wonderful posters out there...keep up the great work and we want to let you know that many of us appreciate your effort, whether u got karma-ed or not^_^
frankly speaking i don't think the system actually bothers any of us a lot anyway:cool:

True true... the karma thingdy doesnt really bother anyone. Maybe some dont even noticed it.

True true... the karma thingdy doesnt really bother anyone. Maybe some dont even noticed it.

I suspect a lot of people don't notice it at all, because almost everyone's karma looks the same: one little green box.

Eventually, however, we'll start to see multiple green boxes; and then I think it will become noticeable (because there will be visible differences).

I suspect a lot of people don't notice it at all, because almost everyone's karma looks the same: one little green box.



I only noticed one color change so far, that was Mr Cooler's green box turned red after his US Open posts. :p I think it's turned back green now. I wonder why. :confused:

I only noticed one color change so far, that was Mr Cooler's green box turned red after his US Open posts. :p I think it's turned back green now. I wonder why. :confused:

due to the heat of US Open.....:D

Kwun,

Would it be possible to keep a full list of karma comments in my user profile? At the moment the earlier ones are dropping off the bottom.

It's not just a vanity thing: over time, this record of comments will become a useful "log book" of popular content, and I will eventually use it as a guide (and a source of inspiration) for writing articles. Unfortunately that won't work if I'm limited to the latest 10 comments.

If there's a storage space issue, I'm happy to pay a small fee for an upgraded account.

Perhaps you could have a "show last N karma" / "show all karma" option.

Good intentions, but as stated by others, system is open to be abused. It might just end up being ultilize by a small group of members and get turn into a popularity contest.

If we really want to be an authority on a certain subject, we should send our resume to Kwun. He will then verify our creditials and conduct a full Criminal Background Check, follow by a drug screening.:) Wouldn't it be nice to know who we can go to if we ever want detail information on nanocarbon, or how physics actually work in badminton? I mean, I would never trust my accountant to give me medical advice just because he/she has been sick all their life.

It would be nice to have something for the Buy/Sell forum. Where you can actually keep track of sellers and buyers. I never understand why the buyer always have to send money first? Why can't it be the other way around? Is it because the seller is most trust worthy than the buyer? Just my thoughts.

I only noticed one color change so far, that was Mr Cooler's green box turned red after his US Open posts. :p I think it's turned back green now. I wonder why. :confused:hey, no peeking:D BTW, i bought some green karma points from ebay, that's why. :p

Currently, to those who have higher Karma Points, they must be thinking that they have done something good@Badminton Central.




The emphasis is that they have done something good.

After all, good karma are for those who have done good things. :):):)



With such a system in place, we are saying that General Consensus is definitely trustworthy, simply because a person with high karma 'should' be regarded as credible.

we don't need a system to gauge someone's reliability. Especially when the system works on the basis of "democracy" or "majority is always right".




Agree... sometimes systems like "democracy" and/or "majority is always right" can direct us to the wrong path. :):):)



Good intentions, but as stated by others, system is open to be abused. It might just end up being ultilize by a small group of members and get turn into a popularity contest.




Also agree...

If this is a popularity contest, kwun would have named this as our 'most popular members' system, and not our 'karma' system'. :):):)

I only noticed one color change so far, that was Mr Cooler's green box turned red after his US Open posts. :p I think it's turned back green now. I wonder why. :confused:

To let out a little secret, cooler is color-blind :(

I agree, and I understand how much effort and time our mods already put in.




Hi LazyBuddy,

In fact, initially I thought that;

http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/images/buttons/reputation.gif (http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/reputation.php?p=238967) ... is for us to inform the posters that their posts are useful/helpful, and
http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/images/buttons/report.gif (http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/report.php?p=238967) ... is for us to inform the moderators that a poster is behaving inappropriately/improperly.

We have witnessed how some of our members@BC have argued... when all hell broke loose. :)

Cheers... chris@ccc

There is a "X point(s) total" being shown under the "Latest Reputation Received". How does it come about?

There is a "X point(s) total" being shown under the "Latest Reputation Received". How does it come about?

i'm guessing:
green +1
blue 0
red -1

i'm guessing:
green +1
blue 0
red -1
Then why when I mouse on your green box, it shows "cooler is an unknown quantity at this point" whereas some show "xxx is heading the right direction", "xxx is on a distinguished road", "xxx will become famous soon enough" etc?

(1) Member/User will become famous soon enough (at least 30 points)
(2) Member/User is heading the right direction (at least 20 points but less than 30 points)
(3) Member/User is on a distinguished road (at least 10 points but less than 20 points)
(4) Member/User is an unknown quantity at this point (less than 10 points)

(1) Member/User will become famous soon enough (at least 30 points)
(2) Member/User is heading the right direction (at least 20 points but less than 30 points)
(3) Member/User is on a distinguished road (at least 10 points but less than 20 points)
(4) Member/User is an unknown quantity at this point (less than 10 points)

No, the standard seems much higher than that? :rolleyes:

Then why when I mouse on your green box, it shows "cooler is an unknown quantity at this point" whereas some show "xxx is heading the right direction", "xxx is on a distinguished road", "xxx will become famous soon enough" etc?
statistically it mean cooler have presented balanced view point in his postings;) Ie, I've rattled as many people here as I've pleased:cool:

statistically it mean cooler have presented balanced view point in his postings;) Ie, I've rattled as many people here as I've pleased:cool:

lol lol cooler :D

(1) Member/User will become famous soon enough (at least 30 points)
(2) Member/User is heading the right direction (at least 20 points but less than 30 points)
(3) Member/User is on a distinguished road (at least 10 points but less than 20 points)
(4) Member/User is an unknown quantity at this point (less than 10 points)

No need to guess. You can find the exact details from the vBulletin manual (http://www.vbulletin.com/docs/html/) (although Kwun may customise the system if he wishes).

No need to guess. You can find the exact details from the vBulletin manual (http://www.vbulletin.com/docs/html/) (although Kwun may customise the system if he wishes).

karma table: (btw what does the grey color mean besides red and green?)

statistically it mean cooler have presented balanced view point in his postings;) Ie, I've rattled as many people here as I've pleased:cool:


We need someone brave enough to stand out, and voice different point of view. There are some ppl here abuse the "freedom of speech", as well as "karma system".

The worst part is, the ones abused the power, can mask themselves as the "hero" coming down to rescue the world. If they happen to spam such "xxx cheating" threads in CHN forum (yes, the CHN forum members do mention negative things about their own players, but not accuse their national team/system after every single tournament), I wonder what their karma might look like? :rolleyes:

Well, what can i say? :o

We need someone brave enough to stand out, and voice different point of view. There are some ppl here abuse the "freedom of speech", as well as "karma system".

The worst part is, the ones abused the power, can mask themselves as the "hero" coming down to rescue the world. If they happen to spam such "xxx cheating" threads in CHN forum (yes, the CHN forum members do mention negative things about their own players, but not accuse their national team/system after every single tournament), I wonder what their karma might look like? :rolleyes:

Well, what can i say? :o

Thats life...some ppl here likes twisted all info to attack someone with no solid ground..you can voice your different point of view as all of us come from different background.....the ones abused it here.....I will be happy that some contributes something to BC instead of provoking as well as attacking....well...I wonder how their karma may look like....what can I say??:o

Any limitation toward a particular individual or a particular thread? Otherwise, during a heated debate, someone can through in 10 negative karmas toward his opponent. :eek:
u have good foresight;) Didn't know i was this popular:p
This also shows the quality of the givers too


Macau Open 2007-... 10-10-2007 10:05 AM CHN is suspicious on cheating.
Macau Open 2007-... 10-10-2007 09:13 AM very bad!!! lousy!!!
Taufik's stamina 10-10-2007 06:42 AM disagree more.. th is much better than bcl
Macau Open 2007-... 10-10-2007 05:37 AM wow.... real hypocrite is speaking bulshit
Macau Open 2007-... 10-10-2007 05:06 AM please grow up
Macau Open 2007-... 10-10-2007 04:59 AM you are truly hypocrite
Macau Open 2007-... 10-10-2007 04:19 AM pliz face the mirror, you will find the genuine hypocrite
Macau Open 2007-... 10-10-2007 01:08 AM please don't simply accuse people
Macau Open 2007-... 10-10-2007 12:58 AM bad rant
Taufik's stamina 10-09-2007 05:57 AM not wise and so bias
Macau Open 2007-... 10-09-2007 03:50 AM cooler is annoying. It is best to ignore him...

Wow, that's pretty sad. I read that post and that pretty much sums up what biased people do when they cannot think of an arguement; they make [anonymous] personal attacks. That's pretty sad, and pretty low.

Macau Open 2007-... 10-10-2007 10:05 AM CHN is suspicious on cheating.
Macau Open 2007-... 10-10-2007 09:13 AM very bad!!! lousy!!!
Taufik's stamina 10-10-2007 06:42 AM disagree more.. th is much better than bcl
Macau Open 2007-... 10-10-2007 05:37 AM wow.... real hypocrite is speaking bulshit
Macau Open 2007-... 10-10-2007 05:06 AM please grow up
Macau Open 2007-... 10-10-2007 04:59 AM you are truly hypocrite
Macau Open 2007-... 10-10-2007 04:19 AM pliz face the mirror, you will find the genuine hypocrite
Macau Open 2007-... 10-10-2007 01:08 AM please don't simply accuse people
Macau Open 2007-... 10-10-2007 12:58 AM bad rant
Taufik's stamina 10-09-2007 05:57 AM not wise and so bias
Macau Open 2007-... 10-09-2007 03:50 AM cooler is annoying. It is best to ignore him...






Wow, that's pretty sad. I read that post and that pretty much sums up what biased people do when they cannot think of an arguement; they make [anonymous] personal attacks. That's pretty sad, and pretty low.




Agree, this is pretty sad and pretty low... all these negative karma points given because of some disagreement.

This was actually predicted by LazyBuddy way back on 29-June-2007 (refer to post #16 below), stating that...



Any limitation toward a particular individual or a particular thread? Otherwise, during a heated debate, someone can through in 10 negative karmas toward his opponent. :eek:

Guys, can we send some good Karma to LB and cooler please...
Thanks!

Guys, can we send some good Karma to LB and cooler please...
Thanks!

how about me?
please do not forget about me.... pity me.... mercy me..... :o:o:o

how about me?
please do not forget about me.... pity me.... mercy me..... :o:o:o
May god have mercy on you, and bless your badminton game.

May god have mercy on you, and bless your badminton game.

thanks, grand-master SH.....:)
i want some good karmas, so that my reincarnation in future can be the world number 1 badminton player....:o

Agree, this is pretty sad and pretty low... all these negative karma points given because of some disagreement.

This was actually predicted by LazyBuddy way back on 29-June-2007 (refer to post #16 below), stating that...

here's the current one, bad karma for having a different view on a match. TH out played CJ but yet lost to CJ, and he was there too LOL. Just hilarious....


Taufik's stamina 10-10-2007 04:54 PM CJ never outplay TH throughout the whole match! You should have watched the match "Live".. Its an equal match to the extent !

Agree, this is pretty sad and pretty low... all these negative karma points given because of some disagreement.

This was actually predicted by LazyBuddy way back on 29-June-2007 (refer to post #16 below), stating that...
I got some bad karma for dissagreement ..those pro that person gave me bad karma......they dissagreed with me and gave me negative....even I announced certain players pull out from tournament...they gave me bad karma...just now I answer about Karma system...someone gave and post it" moronic again"....thats prety low and sad too....

Guys, can we send some good Karma to LB and cooler please...
Thanks!
Why only to those guys? how about me ?? :(:(

I think karma thing is out of hand....just giving opinion only, people give bad karma....

how about me?
please do not forget about me.... pity me.... mercy me..... :o:o:o

Why only to those guys? how about me ?? :(:(

hahhahahha :D:D:D
just dont request the karma, maybe you will ended up like me....
1 good and 1 bad.... = neutral :D:D:D
maybe i need to determine while requesting;
good karmas ... pleeeaaaassssee...:o
hauge, dont worry too much, smart loving people will positive thinking over whatever you have posted. as for me, i only digest whatever posts that are true and good-benefits from. if the post is making me feel like lying or non-related, i will just ignore. oh man... i cant stick my eyes 3-5 hours a day to read and digest all. better spare the time for family, badminton and others too. 24hrs a day, 8 hrs of good sleep, 9 hrs of work and left 7 golden hours....:o

I got some bad karma for disagreement ..those pro that person gave me bad karma......they disagreed with me and gave me negative....even I announced certain players pull out from tournament...they gave me bad karma...just now I answer about Karma system...someone gave and post it" moronic again"....thats prety low and sad too....




Yes... Feel sorry for you, huangkwokhau. :o

We@Badminton Central should hope that we could unite together to promote Badminton like what you have often done... travelling to & reporting on many tournaments around the world. We appreciate your involvement/input.

We must remember kwun's intention/objective when he started this Badminton Central.com...
that is to promote our Badminton and to hope that it will become the World's No.1 Racket Sport.

:):):)
*

Yes... Feel sorry for you huangkwokhau. :o

We@Badminton Central should hope that we could unite together to promote Badminton like what you have often done... travelling to & reporting on many tournaments around the world. We appreciate your involvement/input.

We must remember kwun's intention/objective to start this Badminton Central.com...
that is to promote our Badminton and to hope that it will become the World's No. 1 racket Sport.

:):):)
*

Thank you ! thats what I thought about badminton central...we are central of badminton information...I just hope people do not start provoking unnescessary matters...it is different feelings after talking to players and watch live...I will continue doing so....Cheer! lets have fun!

how about me?
please do not forget about me.... pity me.... mercy me..... :o:o:o
how about me also?:p:) hope that u guys can give me good karma:o:p
i also want to have good karma.....

how about me also?:p:) hope that u guys can give me good karma:o:p:D




Hehehe... now, so many of us are requesting to get positive karma points.

:):):)
*

Correct but unfortunately emotion overrules and karma exchanged are often not content based.

At first i was indifference of the new karma system. Now, after receiving many karma points, i'm seeing abuses from what it was originally intended.
I thanks those who gave me +ve karmas based on my post content. However, and unfortunately, some -ve karmas i got were just plan personal vendettas and not base on content usefulessness. Ex. I make a post highlighting his incorrect information and in return i get a -ve karma from him/her. I'm not saying everybody else does this or it's a long term trend but i'm just highlighting the potential misuse of the karma system
no disrespect to the Admin's intent, my feeling of the karma system can be described pictorially as shown below. As many may know, I make reference to the Simpsons alot because it make us laugh at our shortcomings. Hope we don't overload the server with our active karma givings:)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_vA3Jly8vQ

Hehehe... now, so many of us are requesting to get positive karma points.

:):):)
*
and i really hope you will give me good karma too.....
pls giv me good karmas ... pleeeaaaasssse.:o:o...
haha

I make reference to the Simpsons alot because it make us laugh at our shortcomings.:)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_vA3Jly8vQ

I see Cooler Simpson and Huang Simpson in there :D

There lived a cool guy with karma
who said, 'I'm going to war, ma
with huang-kwok-hau
and beat him somehow.'
Last heard, he's cooling off in Burma :D

and i really hope you will give me good karma too.....
pls giv me good karmas ... pleeeaaaasssse.:o:o...
haha

A young and fine member named george@chongwei
keeps asking for good karma... er, every day
But until he joins the band
of good people like oldhand :cool:
the answer, george, will continue to be 'No Way!'

(Do I see kwun storming this way?) :o

(Do I see kwun storming this way?) :o




Knowing kwun well... we know that kwun will always be staying cool, calm and collected.

:):):)
*

Guys, can we send some good Karma to LB and cooler please...
Thanks!

Thanks for the support. However, as I "predicted" :p before, I am not surprised when the debate goes to a level, ppl start to lose their cool, or even abuse the sytem.

Personally, I received some bad karma, and I don't think it will be the last time, as long as I don't keep my big mouth shut. :o If ppl want to at least look at what I am trying to say, feel free. If they simply think I am wasting their time (as they accused cooler), I don't mind either. Remember, I have my own "freedom of speech" too. :D:D

Thats life...some ppl here likes twisted all info to attack someone with no solid ground..you can voice your different point of view as all of us come from different background.....the ones abused it here.....I will be happy that some contributes something to BC instead of provoking as well as attacking....well...I wonder how their karma may look like....what can I say??:o

Even the recent debates, we were on the different sides, but I can feel yours as well. Cheer up buddy, let's don't get the karma rating in our way. Feel free to speak up, and keep the healthy trend going. :p At least, I've got a lot of good info, from your tourny posts. :p

Good job, Hau Ge! :D

here's the current one, bad karma for having a different view on a match. TH out played CJ but yet lost to CJ, and he was there too LOL. Just hilarious....


Taufik's stamina 10-10-2007 04:54 PM CJ never outplay TH throughout the whole match! You should have watched the match "Live".. Its an equal match to the extent !

Lol... Let me show one of my negative ones. Seems ppl coming back to fire at me after 2 months :p

" Kwun, why my thread is... 10-11-2007 03:41 AM Should let kwun explain"

Lol... Clearly, I was the one on Kwun's side, and did not put a tape on his mouth. Man... :o

The funniest one I got was bad karma for voicing my personal preferense of different models of strings

"I prefer BG66Sharp over BG66 and micropower.. I have never tried any Ashway strings "superior" to Yonex.. I personally prefer Yonex and Gosen strings.."

Got me a bad karma from someone...

But I'll live with it :-)

/Twobeer

To Admin, i like to contribute an idea on this karma dilemma we are currently experiencing. I suggest that, if possible, only positive karma can be given and to disable the 'disapprove' option. This is a positive approach where we award good content/advice while a reader can still gauge how 'good' of a standing a certain poster is without the distortion caused by negative karma as we all know now are often given unobjectively (mud slinging). If a poster is just plain obnoxious, i'm sure admin/mods can see that and/or would receive complaints (pm or postings) from other readers. Your choice of actions for these characters(a warning or total ban) will be fully appreciated and we would never doubt your divine decision:D:)

If the negative karma feature in this program can not be disable, then make a house rule or law that only mods and admin can give out neg. karma.

Even god allow bad behaviors (freewill) but only god should able to punish the offender:D We mortal posters shouldn't be given the power to punish others;)

Actually, I've been thinking about this kinda issues for a while. Maybe we should only be able to give "+" karma, but not allowed to give any negative ones. This way, we can still praise the ones contributing to the community, but won't abuse the system as "agree vs. disagree". Only the mods can give negative comments, base on their own observation or reports from members (after verification).

Just a thought. :rolleyes:

To Admin, i like to contribute an idea on this karma dilemma we are currently experiencing. I suggest that, if possible, only positive karma can be given and to disable the 'disapprove' option. This is a positive approach where we award good content/advice while a reader can still gauge how 'good' of a standing a certain poster is without the distortion caused by negative karma as we all know now are often given unobjectively (mud slinging). If a poster is just plain obnoxious, i'm sure admin/mods can see that and/or would receive complaints (pm or postings) from other readers. Your choice of actions for these characters(a warning or total ban) will be fully appreciated and we would never doubt your divine decision:D:)

If the negative karma feature in this program can not be disable, then make a house rule or law that only mods and admin can give out neg. karma.

Even god allow bad behaviors (freewill) but only god should able to punish the offender:D We mortal posters shouldn't be given the power to punish others;)


Once again, we thought the same. Only I tried to suggest the idea 2 months earlier. ;)

Once again, we thought the same. Only I tried to suggest the idea 2 months earlier. ;)I see. I didnt follow this karma thing or this thread much until last couple of days.

Even god allow bad behaviors (freewill) but only god should able to punish the offender:D We mortal posters shouldn't be given the power to punish others;)
Ever heard of the one about God's and Caesar's?

Ever heard of the one about God's and Caesar's?nope, u can pm me about it

Re-visited some old posts, and I think we should really be serious about the "-" karma for now. Even myself back then, try to encourage members NOT to pay too much attention in Karma, as it's just a reference.

However, during one of the most recent debate, poor cooler was picked on regarding his Karma. Not only he received flood of "-" in a span of 24 hours, but also the debating opponents were picking on him, and trying to re-direct others members regarding cooler's karma. The intention is to make whatever cooler's point to be "less trustworthy".

I am not taking on cooler's side with my eyes closed, even if in that debate, seems he's on my side. If you are here long enough, you know cooler does contribute to the community in various ways. Obviously not by providing live scores or putting on videos. I show full respect to the ppl who make the tournament threads to be informative and fun, but I also want to show respect to others, who contribute in other ways.

There are numerous times, cooler and myself are on the opposite sides regarding certain topics, but even after a debate, I still respect him as an older timer and valueable member of BC/BF. I do know Karma does not cost us an arm or leg, but to see a fellow old timer, being picked on, being embarrassed, being humiliated due to the fact certain ppl abuse the system, I still feel hurt. :o

Be serious about the responsibility, and be friendly. Karma should be a tool to enforce the "good behavior" but not a tool to "label my opponent". :cool:

To Admin, i like to contribute an idea on this karma dilemma we are currently experiencing. I suggest that, if possible, only positive karma can be given and to disable the 'disapprove' option.

I'm starting to agree with you about this, after you, LB and twobeer published some of your karma comments.

Abuse of negative karma could discourage well-mannered but controversial posts. Polite controversy is healthy!

Positive karma can still be used to reward/recognise/encourage helpful posts.

Re-visited some old posts, and I think we should really be serious about the "-" karma for now. Even myself back then, try to encourage members NOT to pay too much attention in Karma, as it's just a reference.

However, during one of the most recent debate, poor cooler was picked on regarding his Karma. Not only he received flood of "-" in a span of 24 hours, but also the debating opponents were picking on him, and trying to re-direct others members regarding cooler's karma. The intention is to make whatever cooler's point to be "less trustworthy".

I am not taking on cooler's side with my eyes closed, even if in that debate, seems he's on my side. If you are here long enough, you know cooler does contribute to the community in various ways. Obviously not by providing live scores or putting on videos. I show full respect to the ppl who make the tournament threads to be informative and fun, but I also want to show respect to others, who contribute in other ways.

There are numerous times, cooler and myself are on the opposite sides regarding certain topics, but even after a debate, I still respect him as an older timer and valueable member of BC/BF. I do know Karma does not cost us an arm or leg, but to see a fellow old timer, being picked on, being embarrassed, being humiliated due to the fact certain ppl abuse the system, I still feel hurt. :o

Be serious about the responsibility, and be friendly. Karma should be a tool to enforce the "good behavior" but not a tool to "label my opponent". :cool:
thx for your support there LB.
Negative karma dont affect me but rather it let me gauge what % of posters out there are borderline dementia cases and from which countries as well. I only make suggestion to the karma system because i want to close the loophole in it. U know all engineers like to fix things;)

thx for your support there LB.
Negative karma dont affect me but rather it let me gauge what % of posters out there are borderline dementia cases. I only make suggest to the karma system because i want to close the loophole in it. U know all engineers like to fix things;)

may i correct you on that one?
i read some of your posts, you are unlike to be that engineer to fix things, you are an engineer that create new things. proposed some valuable informations that you did.....:)

keep the comments coming guys. i won't be able to make any decision till the end of the day if i survive, otherwise, i will do it tomorrow. i am jam pack with work for the whole day today.

I'm not bothered by whether the feature exists or not.

I think we should terminate the Karma system.....

keep the comments coming guys. i won't be able to make any decision till the end of the day if i survive, otherwise, i will do it tomorrow. i am jam pack with work for the whole day today.
no rush kwun, we will survive;)
It's is better to think it out and implement a good change rather than a quick change. :)

maybe cooler should be 'act' politely,
i never heard cooler said 'I also want to show respect to others, who contribute in other ways' or fisrtly i appreciate what you have done to bc be fore he gives opposite posts or make an accusation

if he does.. i bet he won't get many bad karmas from many ppl here :)..........

hey i remember cooler gave me a bad karma, whereas i was just joking with him :(

Cooler's just ... direct, like I am long-winded.

He's not bothered with pleasantries, just commentaries.

maybe cooler should be 'act' politely,
i never heard cooler said 'I also want to show respect to others, who contribute in other ways' or fisrtly i appreciate what you have done to bc be fore he gives opposite posts or make an accusation

if he does.. i bet he won't get many bad karmas from many ppl here :)..........

hey i remember cooler gave me a bad karma, whereas i was just joking with him :(

hey, i did give u credit... like i said in another thread, 'indra and taukist' now have a more' realistic outlook on taufik. For cooler, that is an improvement;)Don't expect me to butter u up and slop all over u :p

Cooler, the imagery of you slopping him with butter is not a very pleasant one.

Although not a victim of any bad karam yet, I fully & whole-heartedly support this idea. It looks like this feature has been used to abuse more than reward.

To Admin, i like to contribute an idea on this karma dilemma we are currently experiencing. I suggest that, if possible, only positive karma can be given and to disable the 'disapprove' option. This is a positive approach where we award good content/advice while a reader can still gauge how 'good' of a standing a certain poster is without the distortion caused by negative karma as we all know now are often given unobjectively (mud slinging). If a poster is just plain obnoxious, i'm sure admin/mods can see that and/or would receive complaints (pm or postings) from other readers. Your choice of actions for these characters(a warning or total ban) will be fully appreciated and we would never doubt your divine decision:D:)

If the negative karma feature in this program can not be disable, then make a house rule or law that only mods and admin can give out neg. karma.

Even god allow bad behaviors (freewill) but only god should able to punish the offender:D We mortal posters shouldn't be given the power to punish others;)

It's sad how everybody is giving negative karma to everybody who argues that China is not 100% guilty of cheating. I'd like to see kwun outright ban those kinds of threads and warn/ban people who even bring it up. Over the past few days, this topic has spread from the macau open thread, to the thread over in the general forum, and it's just getting out of hand.

I don't think this Karma thingy is working at the moment. The US and Macau Open threads are the best example of BC members abusing the system. Everyone giving "+" and "-" without even thinking if the person's post deserve a Karma or not. IMHO, I don't think one should give a Karma just because he/she agree or disagree to a person's post, or, worse still, just to support the person you know (with the exception of Kwun I guess :p).

In the above mentioned threads, Cooler was given so many "-" Karma that his status changed color from green to red (US Open) and grey (Macau Open). In my opinion, if Cooler deserved a "-" Karma, he should only get 2, one on each US and Macau Open, and not something like 20+ Karma (How many "-" to get red color anyway?). Having said that, within 24 hours, Cooler's status also changed back to green color. I assumed that Cooler also received same amount of "+" Karma to cancel off his "-". No offence, Cooler, but I don't see any of your recent posts deserve that many "+" Karma either. It only means that Cooler may have known enough members or has supporters to provide him with the "+" Karma. Or he might have done it himself, painfully. In the end, whether it's a "-" or "+" Karma to Cooler, this only shows BC members abusing the Karma system or should I say the Karma system is not used to what it's intended.

I would suggest that only Kwun and Mods are allowed to give Karma. Since they are the ones who decide what is right and what is wrong, they should also decide which post deserve "+" Karma for useful contribution and "-" for wrong doings. Kwun and Mods don't have to take this as additional workload but consider this as some kind of a Karma/Fate experience. When you come across a post that deserve a Karma, you do so, but if you miss a good/bad post, maybe it is fate that the member does not deserve a Karma. ;)

I don't think this Karma thingy is working at the moment. The US and Macau Open threads are the best example of BC members abusing the system. Everyone giving "+" and "-" without even thinking if the person's post deserve a Karma or not. IMHO, I don't think one should give a Karma just because he/she agree or disagree to a person's post, or, worse still, just to support the person you know (with the exception of Kwun I guess :p).

In the above mentioned threads, Cooler was given so many "-" Karma that his status changed color from green to red (US Open) and grey (Macau Open). In my opinion, if Cooler deserved a "-" Karma, he should only get 2, one on each US and Macau Open, and not something like 20+ Karma (How many "-" to get red color anyway?). Having said that, within 24 hours, Cooler's status also changed back to green color. I assumed that Cooler also received same amount of "+" Karma to cancel off his "-". No offence, Cooler, but I don't see any of your recent posts deserve that many "+" Karma either. It only means that Cooler may have known enough members or has supporters to provide him with the "+" Karma. Or he might have done it himself, painfully. In the end, whether it's a "-" or "+" Karma to Cooler, this only shows BC members abusing the Karma system or should I say the Karma system is not used to what it's intended.

I would suggest that only Kwun and Mods are allowed to give Karma. Since they are the ones who decide what is right and what is wrong, they should also decide which post deserve "+" Karma for useful contribution and "-" for wrong doings. Kwun and Mods don't have to take this as additional workload but consider this as some kind of a Karma/Fate experience. When you come across a post that deserve a Karma, you do so, but if you miss a good/bad post, maybe it is fate that the member does not deserve a Karma. ;)


good post... i can't resist to give u good karma lol :D

hey, i did give u credit... like i said in another thread, 'indra and taukist' now have a more' realistic outlook on taufik. For cooler, that is an improvement;)Don't expect me to butter u up and slop all over u :p

hey .. remember me.. forgive me to ask ..do u have a heart..? don't you care about someone's feeling or your heart is frozen...

hey .. remember me.. forgive me to ask ..do u have a heart..? don't you care about someone's feeling or your heart is frozen...

I really wish all of you who is not happy with Cooler would stop posting all this unnecessary comments. It is so childish!!! and turn a thread from good/fair to absolute rubbish for all other readers.

All of you are trying to make a point. That's fine. But when it gets to a stage where the thread get closed by the Mods, it only means one thing, enough is ENOUGH!! Why start polluting other threads???

Man, I should go out and play more baddy than reading all these rubbish. :mad:

*Kwun/Mods, feel free to delete this post*

sorry... then delete my post here

sorry... then delete my post here

you've just been "erased"

Negative karma to Lazybuddy for calling cooler an "old timer." I suggest, err, "monolithic" and/or, err, "ancient."

Pardon me while I look for my cooler-proof jacket/shroud now.

-dave

ok. so what i have feared in the beginning has come true. the karma system has turned not only into a popularity contest, but also a tool for personal attack.

as a result, the karma system has been switched off.

from now on, i want everyone to behave. we will continue to moderate the forum, and if we see any deliberate expression of rudeness to other members, we will take the appropriate and potentially harsh action.

ok. so what i have feared in the beginning has come true. the karma system has turned not only into a popularity contest, but also a tool for personal attack.

as a result, the karma system has been switched off.

from now on, i want everyone to behave. we will continue to moderate the forum, and if we see any deliberate expression of rudeness to other members, we will take the appropriate and potentially harsh action.
oh:crying:,the karma system had been switched off:crying::D:mad::):p:D:cool:

ok. so what i have feared in the beginning has come true. the karma system has turned not only into a popularity contest, but also a tool for personal attack.

as a result, the karma system has been switched off.

from now on, i want everyone to behave. we will continue to moderate the forum, and if we see any deliberate expression of rudeness to other members, we will take the appropriate and potentially harsh action.
...yay, the good 'ol days are back!! (and i hope it stays as is for the rest of BC's life & kwun has cast away the Karma feature deep into the depths of BC's Trash bin, so we won't see it ever again)..:D:)..well, for what it's worth, it lasted for all 3 1/2 months:p..And now, everyone (well, except kwun) is back on the same boat, "karma-less"..;):D:):cool:

Finally... it's about time. There's too many immature morons out there in the world. This is one less tool for them to aggravate the rest of us:D.

Pretty much a mickey mouse feature. People could careless about looking at these!

Hopefully, the so-called "old timers" should start showing the "new comers" with good manner and example, and please stop acting like you are the boss (倚老卖老). Being a "old timer" does not mean your insight/opinion is always right and agreeable. Let's grow up together.

Hopefully, the so-called "old timers" should start showing the "new comers" with good manner and example, and please stop acting like you are the boss (倚老卖老). Being a "old timer" does not mean your insight/opinion is always right and agreeable. Let's grow up together.anyone is welcome to present their side of the opinions. Show me a case where i had threatened someone or wrongly accused someone without proof... Again like the Macau Open thread, u dish out allegation with proof. If u don't want to give some efforts or the time to compose a post with content to defend your position, don't whine about other people's opinions. Right and agreeable are 2 different things. Some people just need to grow up a bit faster:rolleyes:

Hopefully, the so-called "old timers" should start showing the "new comers" with good manner and example, and please stop acting like you are the boss (倚老卖老). Being a "old timer" does not mean your insight/opinion is always right and agreeable. Let's grow up together.
Which is exactly the reason why Karma is disabled, because people stray form topic and get personal/grudgy.

well pointed out, though I'm not sure that was your intention...

anyone is welcome to present their side of the opinions. Show me a case where i had threatened someone or wrongly accused someone without proof... Again like the Macau Open thread, u dish out allegation with proof. If u don't want to give some efforts or the time to compose a post with content to defend your position, don't whine about other people's opinions. Right and agreeable are 2 different things. Some people just need to grow up a bit faster:rolleyes:
LOL. This is what I call "倚老卖老".:rolleyes:

ok. so what i have feared in the beginning has come true. the karma system has turned not only into a popularity contest, but also a tool for personal attack.

as a result, the karma system has been switched off.

Oh dear. :( I had a use for the karma comments: they helped me find my best posts, so that I might convert them into articles someday.

Nevertheless, I think this is the right decision for BC. This karma system has proved divisive.

I feel so empty, now that all my great karma has disappeared :crying:

;)

/Twobeer

f u don't want to give some efforts or the time to compose a post with content to defend your position, don't whine about other people's opinions. Right and agreeable are 2 different things. Some people just need to grow up a bit faster:rolleyes:
LOL. This is what I call "倚老卖老".:rolleyes:
The irony, it burns!

;):D


Anyway, to add value to a post. The karma system was a nice tool in the way Gollum described, it's just a pity people don't rate the posts, but the people writing them.

Would it be worth it to keep the 'karma system' but lose the public tag (the green box)?
That way personal agenda's and/or personal disagreements are gone, but the poster still gets it's feedback.

I feel so empty, now that all my great karma has disappeared :crying:

;)

/Twobeer

hoorey my all bad red karmas have gone :crying: :D :p

Would it be worth it to keep the 'karma system' but lose the public tag (the green box)?
That way personal agenda's and/or personal disagreements are gone, but the poster still gets it's feedback.

If something like that were feasible, I'd appreciate it.

I don't care about gathering karma points, but I do like comments. Comments are a useful indication of which posts people found most helpful -- in other words, they are free, relevant market research. :)

...it's just a pity people don't rate the posts, but the people writing them...

jerby, you got it absolutely right :)
a very astute observation

(If it were still around, I'd have added to your karma :D)

I feel so empty, now that all my great karma has disappeared

er, someone actually gave you good karma? :eek:
wonders will never cease :D

"... and example, and please stop acting like you are the boss[B] (倚老卖老). . Let's grow up together.


Labelling people, in another language.
be a man, spell it out in english as per BC policy.
on the same breath, u should grow up, stop being so childish:rolleyes:
Yes, new members would see who's inflaming who around here.

Labelling people, in another language.
be a man, spell it out in english as per BC policy.
on the same breath, u should grow up, stop being so childish:rolleyes:
Yes, new members would see who's inflaming who around here.
It has been explained & summarised by the following post.:rolleyes::p
Hopefully, the so-called "old timers" should start showing the "new comers" with good manner and example, and please stop acting like you are the boss (倚老卖老). Being a "old timer" does not mean your insight/opinion is always right and agreeable.

For shame! Even this BC announcement thread is being sullied by petty squabbling. Give it a rest, guys. :rolleyes:

Yeah ! Why do all this posts keeps coming in since the KArma system was being deactivated ?