A different Lin Dan -LYB [Archive] - Badminton Central Discussion Forums

Angelou

07-12-2007, 05:25 AM

The fact that his wife will give birth to a baby has strongly motivated him to win the SS China open...the prize money is real good....

At present:

Simon vs Chen Yu = CY wins
CY - Sony = Sony wins
Sony vs PG = PG wins
PG vs Chen Jin = CJ wins
CJ vs Bao = Bao wins
Bao vs Bonsaak = Bonsaak wins
Bonsaak vs CH = CH wins
CH vs LD = LD wins
LD vs LCW = LCW wins
LCW vs TH = Taufik wins...

Completely Off Topic.

Anywho after the loss to LCW, I think Lin Dan did alot of reflection. Personally I thought that Lin Dan was going through another phase. If I were to put my finger on it, he's probably experimenting with technique. LCW on the other hand has definitely found his confidence back. I really like the look on his face when he was playing during the sudirman cup. Very calm, and very solid. Non of that line judge complaining crap, that puts your game off. No. I think if Lee Chong Wei brings to court that side of him. then I think that he'll put out a good fight in the Open. And possibly winning him the tournament. Lin Dan might still be unstable from his time during the Sudirman Cup. So I wouldn't be putting my money on him. However, statistic would suggest he would win.

tjl_vanguard

07-12-2007, 10:00 PM

ants

07-12-2007, 10:38 PM

Well no comments for this HH.. anyway we are out of topic.. this thread is about Different LinDan.

volcom

07-14-2007, 03:30 AM

Super Dan, unstoppable

ants

07-14-2007, 03:35 AM

Lindan has showed his weaker side. He has been playing wrecklessly and some his shots is exposed. Although he won over LCW in the China Masters Semis. He may be NO1 but he is beatable.

xofrevlis

07-14-2007, 04:17 AM

Lindan has showed his weaker side. He has been playing wrecklessly and some his shots is exposed. Although he won over LCW in the China Masters Semis. He may be NO1 but he is beatable.

Yeah, but we've always known that. Personally I think he has done really well considering what could have happened if LCW did beat LD in his own back yard. LD has been the best MS player for the last three years and after a blip, seems ready to continue with his domination.

volcom

07-14-2007, 04:52 AM

Yeah, they will whip him !:D

And we will whip you when he loses.:D

Still awaiting the whipping Sir X Ball :cool:

pisanggoreng

07-14-2007, 04:57 AM

come on LCW,,,,he is the chosen one to beat LD....i hate LD he is arrogant as ever...didnt his mother teach him to be more polite?

LI De Quan

07-14-2007, 05:01 AM

come on LCW,,,,he is the chosen one to beat LD....i hate LD he is arrogant as ever...didnt his mother teach him to be more polite?
oh my god!!!!!!!!!!!
What are you saying???????????????????

lina_ngchiuhwa

07-14-2007, 05:07 AM

come on LCW,,,,he is the chosen one to beat LD....i hate LD he is arrogant as ever...didnt his mother teach him to be more polite?

Totally agree!:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

volcom

07-14-2007, 05:09 AM

oh my god!!!!!!!!!!!
What are you saying???????????????????
What he saying is that Malaysia is better, China sucks.
Seriously there is so much unbelievable blind bias on this forum that its laughable...

Yeah LD's arrogant, so what? LD is a player outside the court that parties till 5am so what? LCW is good friends with him so what?

This is badminton... and the best player won.

Felicia_txh

07-14-2007, 05:14 AM

Cool down...Peace!!Every player has his o her own character!!:cool:

lina_ngchiuhwa

07-14-2007, 05:32 AM

Felicia_txh

07-14-2007, 05:40 AM

Let's c how LD perform tmr!!I hope WCH can create surprise 4 us!!Until now he is still the same,no diffrences!!:)

lina_ngchiuhwa

07-14-2007, 05:45 AM

Yeah, i hope Wong Choong Han will spring some surprise for us tomorrow when he face Lin Dan. Hope he can exact the revenge for Lee Chong Wei who lost to Lin Dan in the semis...

pjswift

07-14-2007, 06:17 AM

What he saying is that Malaysia is better, China sucks.
Seriously there is so much unbelievable blind bias on this forum that its laughable...

Yeah LD's arrogant, so what? LD is a player outside the court that parties till 5am so what? LCW is good friends with him so what?

This is badminton... and the best player won.
Of course Malaysia's better. Malaysia's courageous. China's cowardly. Why would Cai/FU need a w/o when they are so clearly No.1 before they face M'sia's Tan/Ong, WR20+? This kind of cowardice, presumably LYB's orders, is so unbelievably laughable.
Your need to have your say certainly exceeds your tolerance for unbelievable blind bias in this forum. (You should check out bbc.com's 606 forum which is nothing but hot air). How come you don't consider your allegiance to CHN , first and foremost , blind? It comes across as more blind than most Malaysians....I must say.

Lx2_Oddkinsonz

07-14-2007, 06:22 AM

mayb xie zb just wanted to focus on his XD

volcom

07-14-2007, 06:34 AM

Of course Malaysia's better. Malaysia's courageous. China's cowardly. Why would Cai/FU need a w/o when they are so clearly No.1 before they face M'sia's Tan/Ong, WR20+? This kind of cowardice, presumably LYB's orders, is so unbelievably laughable.
Your need to have your say certainly exceeds your tolerance for unbelievable blind bias in this forum. (You should check out bbc.com's 606 forum which is nothing but hot air). How come you don't consider your allegiance to CHN , first and foremost , blind? It comes across as more blind than most Malaysians....I must say.
LOL ok rage more man, need some sorbent tissues?
Wow Malaysia's so courageous, that yet again they failed another tournament?
Looks like they need to follow the winning formula that is to be cowardly like China that holds the number one spot for every aspect of badminton :rolleyes:...

Right, winners make history mate and thats all thats needed.
And in my books better means winners, not constant losers.

abedeng

07-14-2007, 06:36 AM

XZB already lost his XD match, no reason for him to give free ride to compatriots. Actually, it would be better for CHN to allow compatriots to challenge each other, else they'll only have CY/FHF.

Look at MAS, INA, DEN and KOR. All with a few pairs at similar strength and depth.

pjswift

07-14-2007, 06:40 AM

mayb xie zb just wanted to focus on his XD
If he can't handle 2 events, then have the decency to play in only one.That's what I mean by cowardice. LYB arrange for so much insurance because he lacks full confidence in his players. I would be disgusted if I were cai/fu to need a w/o advantage in taking on tan/ong. What is he telling cai/fu? You are no sure winner even when you are WR1. MAS MDs are dangerous, whatever pair...MAS, take note. Nothing's sure for cai/fu.Pitiful coach attitude.

orchiid

07-14-2007, 06:43 AM

well, ok..it's reported XIE zhongbo felt uncomfortable with his chest after he lost xd, so he chose giving up MD.

abedeng

07-14-2007, 06:44 AM

Before LYB, CHN already dominated world badminton. I do not remember such blatant use of w/o and team orders then.

It is not just the win that counts, it's how you are perceived to win. Remember that this is a spectator sport.

Eg. if LD wins this tournament, we know that he had sweated blood for it (2 tough matches against BCL and LCW already). We respect him more for it. But if a winner is given "free passage", then there is less meaning to the win, and even if he deserves it, people won't give him the same accolade ......

This is similar to the controversial F1 Ferrari team orders, a few years ago.

lina_ngchiuhwa

07-14-2007, 06:51 AM

MAS would continue to fight instead a w/o when they have to face their own compatriots... They play, they fight for every single points. Come on Li Yongbo! Don't always ask your players to w/o when they face each other or ask them accidently to lose their game to their stronger or more famous teammates. Just like one case that had happen to Zhang Jiewen in the XD in China Masters 2nd round... She was ask to lose the game with partner Chen Xu to He Hanbin/Yu Yang... Don't be so coward, LI YONGBO. Show your class...

pjswift

07-14-2007, 06:52 AM

well, ok..it's reported XIE zhongbo felt uncomfortable with his chest after he lost xd, so he chose giving up MD.
You think he'll give a w/o if he has to play non-CHN MD?

lina_ngchiuhwa

07-14-2007, 06:53 AM

xofrevlis

07-14-2007, 06:56 AM

Do remember that team orders is only one man's doing and is the fault of no-one else, especially not the players'. LYB's doing is in the best interest of Chinese Badminton in terms of finance and standing, I'm not too sure about the harmony within the squad such. I don't like him pulling strings as a badminton fan first and foremost and a China supporter second.

But trying to get back on topic, LD can only do one thing; beat the guy on the other end of the court. He doesn't have any control of other aspects in the team but he has done his job well today.

X Ball

07-14-2007, 06:59 AM

lina_ngchiuhwa

07-14-2007, 06:59 AM

You think he'll give a w/o if he has to play non-CHN MD?

I don't think so. I'm sure he will fight for it... It's just an excuse from them... Just like the case in German Open, Chen Yu w/o to Lin Dan citing personnal injury. So Lin Dan win the German Open without have to raise his racquet. Chen Yu reach the All- England final and set up a match with Lin Dan. Surprise hah? Sunday injured and reach the AE final the following Sunday.

volcom

07-14-2007, 07:08 AM

xofrevlis

07-14-2007, 07:09 AM

orchiid

07-14-2007, 07:10 AM

You think he'll give a w/o if he has to play non-CHN MD?
unless doctor tell LYB that XZB has a serious heart disease:(

lina_ngchiuhwa

07-14-2007, 07:10 AM

I know Lee Chong Wei have put a great fight against Lin Dan. Come on Chong Wei, the World Championships is waiting for you...

X Ball

07-14-2007, 07:12 AM

Are you willing to say LD is far superior than LCW if LD beats him in the WC in Malaysia? :cool:

U betcha and would you also do that ?

X Ball

07-14-2007, 07:16 AM

Come on... if people said that LCW didn't actually beat LD in the Sudirman Cup because LD was just on his way back to full match fitness as a result of his injury, he'd be tearing their heads off.

Facts are facts and LD beat LCW: fact. ;)

It is typical of you - u gloat when you win.

Anyway, LCW gave the match to LD. LD did not win --- you will never get me to acknowledge LD won truly no matter what you say. It does not work on me. :D

xofrevlis

07-14-2007, 07:17 AM

I know Lee Chong Wei have put a great fight against Lin Dan. Come on Chong Wei, the World Championships is waiting for you...

Totally agree. Look forward to seeing these two players square off against each other for the top honours.

xofrevlis

07-14-2007, 07:19 AM

It is typical of you - u gloat when you win.

Anyway, LCW gave the match to LD. LD did not win --- you will never get me to acknowledge LD won truly no matter what you say. It does not work on me. :D

I don't know why you're being so sensitive about this. It is not gloating and I would never think of doing so, but if you did take offence in me just merely stating what happened today, then I apologise for stating what happened today.

X Ball

07-14-2007, 07:20 AM

Totally agree. Look forward to seeing these two players square off against each other for the top honours.

WC is the decider ! If LCW loses, then I will acknowledge the winner as the CHAMP. But LCW WILL WIN ! I am so confident.

X Ball

07-14-2007, 07:22 AM

I don't know why you're being so sensitive about this. It is not gloating and I would never think of doing so, but if you did take offence in me just merely stating what happened today, then I apologise for stating what happened today.

Good man. I am not sensitive just cannot stand it if I don't see eye to eye with others.

bananaboy

07-14-2007, 09:27 AM

Good man. I am not sensitive just cannot stand it if I don't see eye to eye with others.

Well said, me too...:p This is the first time I see eye to eye with you!:D

kenny7_2006

07-14-2007, 10:19 AM

LCW could have and should have won this one... The point at 4-4 was really the turning point.... no way was that ball long.... clearly LCW hit it in... cant believe that the umpire overruled the lin judge just because Lin Dan made some grouses... oh well... it is in China....

wait till the WC in KL...

Jia you LCW!

Lin Dan has improved a bit, but still he can be beaten....

samuel882

07-14-2007, 11:01 AM

cooler

07-14-2007, 11:09 AM

REally wonder is dat any rules stating dat a calls by the linesman can be overruled by an umpire on courts !!??:confused::confused: LCW totally demoralized after dat "weird" turnover by the umpire..

Hopes this kinda situation wont be happened in the coming WC07...then lcw isn't a strong player as u think.
i dont know it was really in or not but at 4-4, it wasnt a serious damage to lcw's scoring position. There were lots of calls ruled against LD as well but LD fights on. Yes, at 4-4 on 2nd game was the turning point (i had said it before in another thread) but lcw let it to be the turning point.

cooler

07-14-2007, 11:11 AM

bananaboy

07-14-2007, 11:23 AM

Since there wasn't slow motion replay and u can see better than the line judge and the umpire from your viewing angle? lol

They were probably sitting 1 inch away from their TV screen or monitor, so I don't doubt that they have quite a viewing angle...LOL.:p

bananaboy

07-14-2007, 01:34 PM

Volcom, LCW knew he had to lose to LD othwerwise LD would suffer home crowd's ire --- he is a gentleman, our LCW. He knows he has the measure of LD, come WC, LD would not have a chance.

Another logical reason for the loss is the match with Taufik which took a bit of him. LD only played BAO (even tho it was 3 games also). You can tell by the 1st game where he beat LD easy. LD did not win. LCW lost.

No way can you boast that LD actually beat LCW. Capital 'NO' !

Are you willing to say LD is far superior than LCW if LD beats him in the WC in Malaysia? :cool:

WC is the decider ! If LCW loses, then I will acknowledge the winner as the CHAMP. But LCW WILL WIN ! I am so confident.

X Ball, Are you saying that only this year matters in all of WC history??? Taufik and Lin Dan would not be consider as champ any more if they don't win this year's WC???:eek: I won't even go further with the already retired former world champs.

X Ball, good planning in advance though, just in the event that LCW luckily enough to win this year, you can then say he is the best ever... I hope you weren't one of those people whom said that WC has lost its privilege since it is now held every year.:rolleyes:

cooler

07-14-2007, 03:19 PM

It is typical of you - u gloat when you win.

Anyway, LCW gave the match to LD. LD did not win --- you will never get me to acknowledge LD won truly no matter what you say. It does not work on me. :D

so, are u implying that your hero is a LOSER? what kind of a lcw fan are u?
Winners fight to the bitter end, like LD coming back to take game 2 and 3.

Jasonvan

07-14-2007, 03:39 PM

I seriousily doubt LCW would GIVE a match to LD... If he seriousily wanted to givd LD the match, why did he try throughout the whole match? I also don't agree on LCW getting screwed with the linecalls, they both got calls against them... Just in the end, LD was physically and mentally stronger and pulled out the victory. Near the end of the 3rd set, I remember a long rally and LD thought the shot was out but it was called in and he was slumped on the court, this could've potentially turned the match over to LCW's favor but LD still managed to close out the set. I remember before this match there're over 20 ppl in another thread saying LCW will crush LD and only about 7 or 8 or us supporting LD, but I guess in the end, the better player won.

bananaboy

07-14-2007, 04:33 PM

bananaboy

07-14-2007, 04:48 PM

so, are u implying that your hero is a LOSER? what kind of a lcw fan are u?
Winners fight to the bitter end, like LD coming back to take game 2 and 3.

No.. he is just implying he can't count, if even the score board can not convince him that LCW lost truly to LD.:p

Wong8Egg

07-14-2007, 05:12 PM

It is typical of you - u gloat when you win.

Anyway, LCW gave the match to LD. LD did not win --- you will never get me to acknowledge LD won truly no matter what you say. It does not work on me. :D

You're simply the Mala version of Indra, LOL. Maybe you should rename your name to "Malwai".:p

And if I am indra, I would give you this statement: "TH gave the match to LCW. LCW did not win."

bananaboy

07-14-2007, 05:13 PM

You're simply the Mala version of Indra, LOL. Maybe you should rename your name to "Malwai".:p

And if I am indra, I would give you this statement: "TH gave the match to LCW. LCW did not win."

LOL!!!!!!!:D:D:D Wacha gave the game to WCH, WCH didn't beat Wacha, Wacha lost... as Wacha knows WC 07 is where it counts!!!:p

Wacha had the first game, then realized this could be the last time WCH could reach a final, so out of his kind heart, Wacha decided since he is still young himself, and have many more chances, he gave the game to WCH instead of buying him a happy meal from McDonalds to cheer him up after kicking his rear-end.

cooler

07-14-2007, 05:18 PM

LD gave the match to LCW at the sudirman cup as china will win anyway. At least this one holds some water. LYB want LD to win only to show himself off:p of not dropping a single final event.

bananaboy

07-14-2007, 05:21 PM

LD gave the match to LCW at the sudirman cup as china will win anyway. At least this one holds some water. LYB want LD to win only to show himself off:p of not dropping a single match.

No... Lin Dan didn't want to show off his true strength, to make sure Misbun and friends don't get to know his full power!!!:cool:

I like using X Ball own excuses.. I make myself sound just like him..LOL!!!

OneToughBirdie

07-14-2007, 05:46 PM

zqloy

07-14-2007, 08:51 PM

so, are u implying that your hero is a LOSER? what kind of a lcw fan are u?
Winners fight to the bitter end, like LD coming back to take game 2 and 3.

Lol... u r way too serious. U should know well enough only fans gave excuses when their fav players lost, but LCW himself is a respectable player, no bullshitting b4 match and no excuses or boasting after match. He beat TH against all odds and went down fighting to LD is nth to be ashamed of.
Meanwhile i had my own excuses for LCW's lost too, perhaps the wind draft? :D:p

cooler

07-14-2007, 09:34 PM

Lol... u r way too serious. U should know well enough only fans gave excuses when their fav players lost, but LCW himself is a respectable player, no bullshitting b4 match and no excuses or boasting after match. He beat TH against all odds and went down fighting to LD is nth to be ashamed of.
Meanwhile i had my own excuses for LCW's lost too, perhaps the wind draft? :D:p
good god LD won or else we would have more why LD lost threads, and why LCW is the greatest threads.

pjswift

07-15-2007, 02:04 AM

I watched the 3rd set on CCTV-5 and agree with Han that both players played a cautious game...both players played a 3-setter SF game and also agree with someone who said towards the end, LD mental toughness has the slight edge. LD could have gave up after losing the 1st set (like he did in WC05 to TH) but he fought back, therefore LD won fair and square, truly deserving of the win...and the final with WCH, unless there is a miracle will be a cakewalk for LD and anti-climatic. The SF is actually the Finals. Well wemove on to the WC07 in MAS, that would be exiting and a lot would depend on the draw.:)
Mental toughness again? So when LCW beat TH,it's because LCW mental toughness has the slight edge?
Why should you expect LD to give up after losing the 1st set? Isn't LD WR1? What kind of WR1 is he if he were to give up after losing 1st set? BP is WR1 in not giving up after losing the 1st so BP is mentally the toughest?Or WCH?
(Can't compare WC05 vs TH cos LD was no match for TH as TH was not WR1 in laziness yet)
The real final was the QF of LCW vs TH ,don't you think so?

pjswift

07-15-2007, 02:07 AM

Lol... u r way too serious. U should know well enough only fans gave excuses when their fav players lost, but LCW himself is a respectable player, no bullshitting b4 match and no excuses or boasting after match. He beat TH against all odds and went down fighting to LD is nth to be ashamed of.
Meanwhile i had my own excuses for LCW's lost too, perhaps the wind draft? :D:p
Shouldn't the wind draft affect LD too? How come there's wind draft issue in SF? So the air con's not on until SF?

Han

07-15-2007, 02:20 AM

Shouldn't the wind draft affect LD too? How come there's wind draft issue in SF? So the air con's not on until SF?

Lin Dan won because he played better than Lee Chong Wei. Forget about the bad call or wind drift, those were not the reason why Chong Wei lost. Go home and train harder and it's not the total lost for Chong Wei as knows now he's in par with Taufik and Lin Dan.

zqloy

07-15-2007, 02:22 AM

Shouldn't the wind draft affect LD too? How come there's wind draft issue in SF? So the air con's not on until SF?
No. The wind draft is affecting throughout the tournament. That is why LD made many mistakes at the baseline too during 1st set.

pisanggoreng

07-15-2007, 04:30 AM

zqloy

07-15-2007, 04:55 AM

yea...i agree that every player has his own characteristic but i also agree tat every fan has his right to love or hate a player...so I hate you LD coz of ur arrogance........LCW boleh! China bluek....although i'm a chinese..haha

Cool down man.... there is no need to "hate" a player ;)
I think LD's arrogance is consider nth comparing to 1 or 2 years ago.

Hitman71

07-15-2007, 05:08 AM

The win draft did affect the game, those who lost in the 1set would most likely win in the rubber.

X Ball

07-15-2007, 07:41 AM

You're simply the Mala version of Indra, LOL. Maybe you should rename your name to "Malwai".:p

And if I am indra, I would give you this statement: "TH gave the match to LCW. LCW did not win."

Obviously, you know nothing about the game of badminton. A game of two top players (such as LCW vs TH) takes everything out of you. LCW was drained but not until he showed how easy it was to beat LD in the 1st game (21-15). That is enough for me to tell me LD is in trouble in the WC.

Argue if you want but it will not convince me. Even Indra now admits LCW is the best in the world today. LD is good but he will lose in the WC, no two ways about it.

jasonmarc

07-15-2007, 07:54 AM

LD gave the match to LCW at the sudirman cup as china will win anyway. At least this one holds some water. LYB want LD to win only to show himself off:p of not dropping a single final event.

iF this is truly the case, then is better to say that LCW and LD had an agreement to let LCW win first in the Sudirman Cup and exchange the vitory in this China Master, which LCW to give away the match to let LD win ...:D LMAO.....

jasonmarc

07-15-2007, 07:59 AM

I watched the 3rd set on CCTV-5 and agree with Han that both players played a cautious game...both players played a 3-setter SF game and also agree with someone who said towards the end, LD mental toughness has the slight edge. LD could have gave up after losing the 1st set (like he did in WC05 to TH) but he fought back, therefore LD won fair and square, truly deserving of the win...and the final with WCH, unless there is a miracle will be a cakewalk for LD and anti-climatic. The SF is actually the Finals. Well wemove on to the WC07 in MAS, that would be exiting and a lot would depend on the draw.:)

And i presume that LCW accually played two final in a row......back to back ...2 very tough matches....againts TH then LD.....the draw is really tough for him, LD and TH in this CM:mad::crying::crying::mad:

xofrevlis

07-15-2007, 08:15 AM

Obviously, you know nothing about the game of badminton. A game of two top players (such as LCW vs TH) takes everything out of you. LCW was drained but not until he showed how easy it was to beat LD in the 1st game (21-15). That is enough for me to tell me LD is in trouble in the WC.

Argue if you want but it will not convince me. Even Indra now admits LCW is the best in the world today. LD is good but he will lose in the WC, no two ways about it.

According to your analysis, the same could be said for BCL when he lost to LCW in the final of the SS Indonesian Open after beating TH. You can't use the same theory when it suits you and not when it doesn't.

You also said that LCW would prevail against LD in yesterday's semi-final. Of course there are two ways about it. In theory, everyone who will participate in WC07 will have a chance to lift the crown. Who knows, maybe there'll be another Wacha+2 more steps. :D That would be really awesome if such a long-shot won it.

X Ball

07-15-2007, 08:21 AM

According to your analysis, the same could be said for BCL when he lost to LCW in the final of the SS Indonesian Open after beating TH. You can't use the same theory when it suits you and not when it doesn't.

You also said that LCW would prevail against LD in yesterday's semi-final. Of course there are two ways about it. In theory, everyone who will participate in WC07 will have a chance to lift the crown. Who knows, maybe there'll be another Wacha+2 more steps. :D That would be really awesome if such a long-shot won it.

You got to be joking -- comparing BAO with TH. If LD had played TH instead of BAO, I can tell you LCW would have won the Masters. Get real.

xofrevlis

07-15-2007, 08:28 AM

You got to be joking -- comparing BAO with TH. If LD had played TH instead of BAO, I can tell you LCW would have won the Masters. Get real.

Uh... you should read my post again. The point I was making was that if it takes everything out of you to play TH like you said, then the same thing happened to BCL at the SS Indonesian Open where he lost in the final to LCW.

If LD played TH in the quarters of the China Mastes, it still wouldn't mean that LCW would win the title.

X Ball

07-15-2007, 08:40 AM

Uh... you should read my post again. The point I was making was that if it takes everything out of you to play TH like you said, then the same thing happened to BCL at the SS Indonesian Open where he lost in the final to LCW.

If LD played TH in the quarters of the China Mastes, it still wouldn't mean that LCW would win the title.

But I did not say anthing about it being fair for BAO to lose to LCW in the IO. He probably lost because he had a hard game against his tough opponent before he met LCW.

xofrevlis

07-15-2007, 08:59 AM

But I did not say anthing about it being fair for BAO to lose to LCW in the IO. He probably lost because he had a hard game against his tough opponent before he met LCW.

Ultimately, I was using those scenarios to explain that having a tough encounter in one round doesn't necessarily mean that the player will be beaten in the next round. I believe that even if BCL didn't have a tough semi-final with TH at the SS Indonesian Open, he would still have lost to LCW in the final but we'll never know now.

Everyone still has a chance of winning as long as they're not defeated. LCW would not have been guarenteed the China Masters title if it was LD that TH was playing in the quarters. LCW will be a strong candidate at WC07 but totally writing off LD's or anyone else's chances is wrong.

X Ball

07-15-2007, 09:12 AM

Ultimately, I was using those scenarios to explain that having a tough encounter in one round doesn't necessarily mean that the player will be beaten in the next round. I believe that even if BCL didn't have a tough semi-final with TH at the SS Indonesian Open, he would still have lost to LCW in the final but we'll never know now.

Everyone still has a chance of winning as long as they're not defeated. LCW would not have been guarenteed the China Masters title if it was LD that TH was playing in the quarters. LCW will be a strong candidate at WC07 but totally writing off LD's or anyone else's chances is wrong.

I disagree (not on purpose) but a hard game against a top player takes your edge away --- mentally and physically one is exhausted.

It is not wrong to say LCW will beat LD if you believe in it. I trust my reading of players -- LCW has an edge. If he had lost the 1st game to LD in the Masters, I would have said his chances are not good and be honest about it. In the second game, he was struggling (I can tell from his movements). By the 3rd game he was a spent force.

In the WC, he has a psychological advantage over LD....home ground. At his best, LCW is unbeatable at home (his previous records showed that). His home supporters like me and many others will make sure of that. Given now he is in form, there is no way, I repeat it, no way he wil be beaten. Else I would buy you lunch if you are attending the WC.

LI De Quan

07-15-2007, 09:15 AM

At his best, LCW is unbeatable at home (his previous records showed that). His home supporters like me and many others will make sure of that. Given now he is in form, there is no way, I repeat it, no way he wil be beaten. Else I would buy you lunch if you are attending the WC.

xiao bao beat LEE CW at Malaysia open!!!!!!!!!!!
:cool::cool::cool::cool::cool:

X Ball

07-15-2007, 09:41 AM

xiao bao beat LEE CW at Malaysia open!!!!!!!!!!!
:cool::cool::cool::cool::cool:

Don't you read english : "At his best.....".

volcom

07-15-2007, 09:41 AM

xiao bao beat LEE CW at Malaysia open!!!!!!!!!!!
:cool::cool::cool::cool::cool:

Haha :cool::cool::cool::cool:
Watching that game... LCW shouldve smashed more, he didn't attack enough.

X Ball

07-15-2007, 09:44 AM

Haha :cool::cool::cool::cool:
Watching that game... LCW shouldve smashed more, he didn't attack enough.

Well you said it....he was not smashing because he was not at his best. His back or his knees (as I half remembered it was giving him trouble).

taufik-ist

07-15-2007, 10:18 AM

Well you said it....he was not smashing because he was not at his best. His back or his knees (as I half remembered it was giving him trouble).

lost is lost, bro..... :D

i think Lcw was exhausted after previous match againts TH

cooler

07-15-2007, 10:29 AM

iF this is truly the case, then is better to say that LCW and LD had an agreement to let LCW win first in the Sudirman Cup and exchange the vitory in this China Master, which LCW to give away the match to let LD win ...:D LMAO.....
yes, ld and lyb were figuring out lcw weakness.
same goes for the final, wch, a weaker player than lcw, came close but didnt win the first game but ld wax wch in the 2nd.

when tbh/kkk were winning hot late last year and early this year, u MAL fans were thinking legendary status for them already. LOL Once figured out, ALL MAL MD arent no match for fu/cai.

LI De Quan

07-15-2007, 10:43 AM

Lost is lost,
LD beat LEE CW yesterday because he played better than LEE CW yesterday.
This is the only reason!!!
Your MAS fans are always looking for some excuse for LEE CW's lose to LD.

huangkwokhau

07-15-2007, 10:57 AM

now It is Official that Xball is Malaysian version of Indra.
Pls remember that true champion will will what it takes...even he plays 3 hard sets before...
Just accept that LD was better than LCW in 3rd set like I accepted the fact that TH lost so damn close to LCW...
The most important that those players played out of their heart and no WO...good for sport...there is no need to find excuses....
Anyway LCW is same league with LD/TH/PG/BCL/CH...any given day, they can beat each other...

taufik-ist

07-15-2007, 11:57 AM

huammm...

still awake and i'm still partying to celebrate ina wd winning :)
(drinking cup of coffee.. sluurrp)

huangkwokhau

07-15-2007, 11:59 AM

huammm...

still awake and i'm still partying to celebrate ina wd winning :)
(drinking cup of coffee.. sluurrp)
Justwoke up...9.50 am here...yes...as usual, I am having coffee in the morning....anway, i will be back to Indo for a visit in mid august , also meeting my good friend, yayuk basuki.
May be I can meet you and krisna while I am in indo

taufik-ist

07-15-2007, 12:11 PM

Justwoke up...9.50 am here...yes...as usual, I am having coffee in the morning....anway, i will be back to Indo for a visit in mid august , also meeting my good friend, yayuk basuki.
May be I can meet you and krisna while I am in indo

yayuk basuki is your friend :D... wow
how did you meet ?

it would be my honour to have a new friend like you :D

huangkwokhau

07-15-2007, 12:14 PM

yayuk basuki is your friend :D... wow
how did you meet ?

it would be my honour to have a new friend like you :D

in LA....I met her also last May in jakarta selatan....I followed her tourney with suharyadi last time...from NY to toronto and LA....I do not play tennis but I do follow tennis well enough . I met also Ayu, Angie and sandy gumulya..and Wynne prakusya ( nice gal)

Wong8Egg

07-15-2007, 01:32 PM

Obviously, you know nothing about the game of badminton. A game of two top players (such as LCW vs TH) takes everything out of you. LCW was drained but not until he showed how easy it was to beat LD in the 1st game (21-15). That is enough for me to tell me LD is in trouble in the WC.

Argue if you want but it will not convince me. Even Indra now admits LCW is the best in the world today. LD is good but he will lose in the WC, no two ways about it.

LMAO.

Would you give the same excuse if LCW get the same draw and lose to LD again in WC??? When are you going to learn that "WIN IS A WIN". Both players has equal chances to receive a good/bad draw, if he couldn't survive the challenge then he is not tough enough. Look how many titles that LD won 1 after another.

I am not saying that LCW sucks, just that LD is better and has that slight edge of LCW. And in case if you don't know enough of the game of badminton, look at the SCORE BOARD !!!

LI De Quan

07-15-2007, 01:54 PM

totally agree with you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

bananaboy

07-15-2007, 02:03 PM

And i presume that LCW accually played two final in a row......back to back ...2 very tough matches....againts TH then LD.....the draw is really tough for him, LD and TH in this CM:mad::crying::crying::mad:

Also, are you implying that LCW can only win if he gets a favorable draw? Ain't him suppose to be unstoppable and the best according to X Ball??? So , the best player in the world today don't have enough stamina, and he can not get himself together again after a so-called "bad call"... well, too bad then.:rolleyes:

Wow.. these excuses really stinks...

so LCW had a "tough" draw... hmmm.. if Peter Gade were to en route to the final... he would have to go through Taufik, LCW, LD, then WCH... Is that tough???

Taufik had to play Gade first before LCW... so it wasn't hard for him, okay.:rolleyes:

Lin Dan played Bao in a 3 setter that lasted over 70 minutes, while LCW and TH lasted 50 minutes... so LD and Bao must have taken 20 minutes to exchange shuttle, towel down, and do all the other stuff, right?:confused:

zqloy

07-15-2007, 07:51 PM

yes, ld and lyb were figuring out lcw weakness.
same goes for the final, wch, a weaker player than lcw, came close but didnt win the first game but ld wax wch in the 2nd.

when tbh/kkk were winning hot late last year and early this year, u MAL fans were thinking legendary status for them already. LOL Once figured out, ALL MAL MD arent no match for fu/cai.

Keep in mind that things can go another way round :cool:
Match or no match we shall see what happens in WC.

Joyous

07-15-2007, 08:04 PM

Ha ha, you fellas haven't changed one bit. Some still so prejudiced, finding excuses for their hero's failure and some still gloating. I wonder what LCW, LD, TH, etc. have to say about all these comments. I am sure they don't try to find excuses for their losses and deep deep down know that they just have to buck up despite one or two bad calls. Look at the recent Wimbledon, even Federer challenged the hawk eye but everybody took those complaints in stride.

I guess Indo and Malaysian fans are in a way more 'passionate' as badminton is one game that has put them on the world map of sports.

cooler

07-15-2007, 08:06 PM

Keep in mind that things can go another way round :cool:
Match or no match we shall see what happens in WC.

- time will tell
- tomorrow is another day
- life is like a box of chocolate
- blah blah blah

your post has no content lol

zqloy

07-15-2007, 08:23 PM

- time will tell
- tomorrow is another day
- life is like a box of chocolate
- blah blah blah

your post has no content lol

Its just a reply to yr similarly "contentless" post :cool:

cooler

07-15-2007, 08:42 PM

Its just a reply to yr similarly "contentless" post :cool:don't copy cooler:p

Loh

07-15-2007, 09:37 PM

huammm...

still awake and i'm still partying to celebrate ina wd winning :)
(drinking cup of coffee.. sluurrp)

Wah, I missee the show otherwise I'll party with you. I knew they are good and often wonder whay Indonesia did not pair them up earlier.

But if they can be crowned WC champions, Woooow! :D

X Ball

07-15-2007, 09:37 PM

so LCW had a "tough" draw... hmmm.. if Peter Gade were to en route to the final... he would have to go through Taufik, LCW, LD, then WCH... Is that tough???

Taufik had to play Gade first before LCW... so it wasn't hard for him, okay.:rolleyes:

Lin Dan played Bao in a 3 setter that lasted over 70 minutes, while LCW and TH lasted 50 minutes... so LD and Bao must have taken 20 minutes to exchange shuttle, towel down, and do all the other stuff, right?:confused:

Nobody said it is not tough for PG if he were to have taken the same route. What we are saying it was tough for LCW because he took that route (comprehend eh ?)

deca2000

07-15-2007, 09:50 PM

Don't you read english : "At his best.....".

Well, in that case you can never be wrong. If LCW won, "I have told you that". If he lost, "hey, he is not at his best".

Can I say "At his best, Hafiz is unbeatable at home"? Sure, why not.

pjswift

07-15-2007, 10:01 PM

The win draft did affect the game, those who lost in the 1set would most likely win in the rubber.
Did not happen with TH.

X Ball

07-15-2007, 11:04 PM

Well, in that case you can never be wrong. If LCW won, "I have told you that". If he lost, "hey, he is not at his best".

Can I say "At his best, Hafiz is unbeatable at home"? Sure, why not.

Ah, but when you say that you got to have the records. LCW won 3 MOs and many other satellite tournaments in Malaysia. Hafiz, well I cannot recall any.:D

Hey I am not against arguments like yours but you got to get your facts right not your emotion. Else I would have to answer your illogical questioning which I don't have much time for.:D

deca2000

07-15-2007, 11:19 PM

Ah, but when you say that you got to have the records. LCW won 3 MOs and many other satellite tournaments in Malaysia. Hafiz, well I cannot recall any.:D

That's because Hafiz was not at his best. Don't you read english : "At his best.....":D.

Hey I am not against arguments like yours but you got to get your facts right not your emotion. Else I would have to answer your illogical questioning which I don't have much time for.:D

When you make a statement that can never be wrong, you do not need any facts to back it up, right?:D

X Ball

07-15-2007, 11:33 PM

That's because Hafiz was not at his best. Don't you read english : "At his best.....":D.

When you make a statement that can never be wrong, you do not need any facts to back it up, right?:D

I thot I was mixed up but I think are on a grander scale.:D

OneToughBirdie

07-16-2007, 12:13 AM

And i presume that LCW accually played two final in a row......back to back ...2 very tough matches....againts TH then LD.....the draw is really tough for him, LD and TH in this CM:mad::crying::crying::mad:
Yes, those 2 matches are tough, considering TH was in good form in this tourney and LCW previously had tough matches against him, and LD is always tough and usually 3-setter...those 2 matches are 'finals' in any other tourneys...don't you think so...as if I am paying to see both these matches, I get my money worth and time well spent.

lina_ngchiuhwa

07-16-2007, 05:01 AM

pjswift

07-16-2007, 09:15 AM

Yes, those 2 matches are tough, considering TH was in good form in this tourney and LCW previously had tough matches against him, and LD is always tough and usually 3-setter...those 2 matches are 'finals' in any other tourneys...don't you think so...as if I am paying to see both these matches, I get my money worth and time well spent.
Agree. Any time LCW plays LD or TH, they have to work like max so yes it's super bonus.But it's good he had to play 2 'finals' in a row. Next time if it happens again, it'll be easier for him and he'll play smarter and likely to win both finals.But the one who experienced the toughest matches in a row has to be BP in TO07. He's going to go far this year. I hope BP and LCW will be in different halves of future draws so they can meet in the finals.

OneToughBirdie

07-16-2007, 12:28 PM

Agree. Any time LCW plays LD or TH, they have to work like max so yes it's super bonus.But it's good he had to play 2 'finals' in a row. Next time if it happens again, it'll be easier for him and he'll play smarter and likely to win both finals.But the one who experienced the toughest matches in a row has to be BP in TO07. He's going to go far this year. I hope BP and LCW will be in different halves of future draws so they can meet in the finals.
I was thinking LCW is gonna win over LCW after the easy 1st set win and LD seemed not to know how to deal with LCW. Not an excuse for LCW lost (LD played well and deserve to win for his not-give-up attitude) but the win over TH must be draining...both players played cautiously, LCW did not attack as he did in Sudirman. TH-LCW was the tougher match and worthy of any finals, the fans sure got their $$$ worth and a real treat, double treat with LD-LCW finals.
Agree BP played well not only in this tourney but in the previous SS, but I still think he is one small level behind the big 3 boys, do you think so? Did you notice LD did not do his 'dive-for-the-birds' stuff anymore since his injury...what does that tell us? One thing is LCW shows us he can play and capable of beating TH and LD, no longer jogoh kampong, we hope!

V3i HoN6

07-16-2007, 09:46 PM

Did you notice LD did not do his 'dive-for-the-birds' stuff anymore since his injury...what does that tell us? One thing is LCW shows us he can play and capable of beating TH and LD, no longer jogoh kampong, we hope!

I've seen at least 4-5 full dive of LD to which he stay on the ground for 3 secs before he's up again. Of course he failed on most of the dive. Else he wouldn't have stay that long.

virusvoodoo

07-17-2007, 04:08 AM

Anyway, LCW gave the match to LD. LD did not win --- you will never get me to acknowledge LD won truly no matter what you say. It does not work on me. :D

Wow, so what are you saying about your hero LCW? That he is a quitter and disappointed his fans and country by "giving" the match to LD. That is very unfair and not true about LCW as the score indicate that he tried. Please don't make up things like that to cover up for LCW's (one of my favorite players) lost!

Volcom, LCW knew he had to lose to LD othwerwise LD would suffer home crowd's ire --- he is a gentleman, our LCW. He knows he has the measure of LD, come WC, LD would not have a chance.

Another logical reason for the loss is the match with Taufik which took a bit of him. LD only played BAO (even tho it was 3 games also). You can tell by the 1st game where he beat LD easy. LD did not win. LCW lost.

No way can you boast that LD actually beat LCW. Capital 'NO' !

Can you not read the score? Can you at least be objective when reading the final result? That lame "excuse" maybe sounds more reasonable if LCW had given LD a walkover. But they went to three sets and LCW lost! If you excuse LCW's lost then people could say that LD "gave" LCW the win at 2007 Surdiman Cup since he [LD] felt really bad for Koo/Tan only getting 9 & 14 points from Fu/Cai. NO! LCW did beat LD at the 2007 Surdiman Cup and LD beat LCW at 2007 China Masters. Even LCW himself admitted that LD played better badminton on that day so why can't you LCW fans be gracious like him and accept the facts and admit the defeat?

That is my main gripe with some of you die-hard fans; you gloat when your heroes win and gives excuses whenever they lose. You guys all have to learn to be a bit more objective and control your emotions better. I've noticed that sometimes patriotism & fanaticism get the best of people and results in bad sportsmanships from fans.

I don't want to single out people but lately I've noticed that Malaysian die-hard fans have gotten worst, maybe more than Indra ever was. Honestly, I like LCW much better than LD since he has better attitudes and sportsmanships than LD but many of these lame excuses are unfair & biased not to mention damaging to the players' reputations, especially one who is classy such as LCW. You all should look at Indra and learn from him. Before he used to give excuses and gloat like crazy for TH and Indonesian players. But now he has grown up a bit and learnt to graciously accept defeat like he did with right after LCW beat TH.

V3i HoN6

07-17-2007, 04:23 AM

X Ball

07-17-2007, 05:36 AM

I don't want to single out people but lately I've noticed that Malaysian die-hard fans have gotten worst, maybe more than Indra ever was. Honestly, I like LCW much better than LD since he has better attitudes and sportsmanships than LD but many of these lame excuses are unfair & biased not to mention damaging to the players' reputations, especially one who is classy such as LCW. You all should look at Indra and learn from him. Before he used to give excuses and gloat like crazy for TH and Indonesian players. But now he has grown up a bit and learnt to graciously accept defeat like he did with right after LCW beat TH.

Hahaha, settle down. Can't you read the serious me versus the 'stirrer' me.

Ignore everything I say except 'when I say it and you know I am not joking'. LOL

Now the serious me : LCW will give LD a run for his money in the WC. LD is good but he is beatable.

X Ball

07-17-2007, 05:39 AM

virusvoodoo

07-17-2007, 06:48 AM

Yeah go ahead.
I don't remember we Malaysian have appointed X ball as a spokeperson and he speaks for every Malaysian die hard fans, or at least me.

Don't bother to put the word "some", you can easily replace the "you malaysian die hard fans" with "you X ball". Talking about dont want to single out people.

I didn't see you list out some respectable Malaysian fans and telling us how good Malaysian fans is.

Well, I am sorry if I had offended you and others but I never meant to direct my previous post towards those who maintain their respects for others. The reason why I did not just put X-Ball because he wasn't the only one instigating, although he was certainly the worst one.

virusvoodoo

07-17-2007, 06:57 AM

Hahaha, settle down. Can't you read the serious me versus the 'stirrer' me.

Ignore everything I say except 'when I say it and you know I am not joking'. LOL

Now the serious me : LCW will give LD a run for his money in the WC. LD is good but he is beatable.

Yes, that is much better!

Anyway, this is online posting you really want to be careful of what you say and how you say it.

I think it makes sense to stir before the match/tournament rather than after with your denial of the results since it invokes people. The same goes for those of you who were gloating and bashing LYB just because he "only" bagged 4 golds out instead of a clean sweep at this year's China Masters.

huangkwokhau

07-17-2007, 07:15 AM

Yes, that is much better!

Anyway, this is online posting you really want to be careful of what you say and how you say it.

I think it makes sense to stir before the match/tournament rather than after with your denial of the results since it invokes people. The same goes for those of you who were gloating and bashing LYB just because he "only" bagged 4 golds out instead of a clean sweep at this year's China Masters.
I guess they use " big slap" on LYB, he mentioned that CHN would take 5 titles and minimum 3 of them were all CHN finals......eventhough from my posts, I did not agree with "big slap"....4 titles are pretty good....it is just they way he said it and our BCers ( most of them) did not like his attitudes, and would find away to slap him harder....:D

X Ball

07-17-2007, 07:32 AM

Yes, that is much better!

Anyway, this is online posting you really want to be careful of what you say and how you say it.

I think it makes sense to stir before the match/tournament rather than after with your denial of the results since it invokes people. The same goes for those of you who were gloating and bashing LYB just because he "only" bagged 4 golds out instead of a clean sweep at this year's China Masters.

All I said was LCW lost and LD did not win, and I gave my honest opinion of it. If I had said it without giving my opinion that would have been wrong and you would have been right. And if you did not like my opinion, then too bad.

So I resent your statement totally. And in one statement you linked me to others who gloated and bashed LYB.

I think one ought to be careful in blanket statement like yours.

hollywood_t

07-17-2007, 12:28 PM

I was thinking LCW is gonna win over LCW after the easy 1st set win and LD seemed not to know how to deal with LCW. Not an excuse for LCW lost (LD played well and deserve to win for his not-give-up attitude) but the win over TH must be draining...both players played cautiously, LCW did not attack as he did in Sudirman. TH-LCW was the tougher match and worthy of any finals, the fans sure got their $$$ worth and a real treat, double treat with LD-LCW finals.
Agree BP played well not only in this tourney but in the previous SS, but I still think he is one small level behind the big 3 boys, do you think so? Did you notice LD did not do his 'dive-for-the-birds' stuff anymore since his injury...what does that tell us? One thing is LCW shows us he can play and capable of beating TH and LD, no longer jogoh kampong, we hope!

I think you hit the nail on the head w/ LD not knowing hot wo deal w/ LCW in the first set. He made an uncharacteristic number of unforced errors and LCW was able to mantain his rhythm and close it out.

However I don't believe that the TH match was the key factor why LCW lost the next 2 games. LD also played a tough 3 setter w/ Bao that went longer and both players in the semi looked haggard and tense.

Rather I had an epiphany that LCW does not have an effective recovery strategy when his rhythm is broken. Instead of falling back on his strenghts of rally play and footwork he gets confused opting to play high risk net shots that result in many errors.

I don't know why I didn't see it before. LCW is a rhythm player. When he is in his zone everything works and his ability to create takes over. However 2-3 times during a match he falls out of this zone, his rhythm is broken either by his opponents play, line call, change in environment.

In the semi I noticed the vast majority of his errors at these crucial points were net play, but when he continued to rally from the rear court (3rd game) he was able to reestablish his rhytm and win the point. I think this pattern of front court errors has repeated itself time and time again MAC06, HK06.

LCW's weakness is that his netplay consistently self destructs at those times. All he needs to do is focus on his strength which is to extend the rally from the backcourt and he will have a chance to win.

I don't think LCW's problem is mental strength or at least I think he's not going to get mentally stronger. As a rhythm player his ability to win is going to come down to whether he can reestablish his rhythm not from getting mentally stronger, or forcing the attack. These go against his nature which is to build the rally and play instinctively. The tactics and strategy have to fit the player. So efforts should concentrate on developing his ability to recover and restablish his rhythm. In that regard fitness will be a key as he will have to be prepared to play longer rallies until he is comfortable again.

Or in other words LCW doesn't have to be mentally as strong as LD or attack like LD to beat LD. He just has to maximize his strengths and minimize his weaknesses.

Some other evidence to support this is in Sudirman cup he was always in the zone so never had to recover or establish his rhythm, his wins were effortless right? But in other matches where it is broken he almost* always loses.

Thoughts?

OneToughBirdie

07-17-2007, 07:24 PM

I think you hit the nail on the head w/ LD not knowing hot wo deal w/ LCW in the first set. He made an uncharacteristic number of unforced errors and LCW was able to mantain his rhythm and close it out.

However I don't believe that the TH match was the key factor why LCW lost the next 2 games. LD also played a tough 3 setter w/ Bao that went longer and both players in the semi looked haggard and tense.

Rather I had an epiphany that LCW does not have an effective recovery strategy when his rhythm is broken. Instead of falling back on his strenghts of rally play and footwork he gets confused opting to play high risk net shots that result in many errors.

I don't know why I didn't see it before. LCW is a rhythm player. When he is in his zone everything works and his ability to create takes over. However 2-3 times during a match he falls out of this zone, his rhythm is broken either by his opponents play, line call, change in environment.

In the semi I noticed the vast majority of his errors at these crucial points were net play, but when he continued to rally from the rear court (3rd game) he was able to reestablish his rhytm and win the point. I think this pattern of front court errors has repeated itself time and time again MAC06, HK06.

LCW's weakness is that his netplay consistently self destructs at those times. All he needs to do is focus on his strength which is to extend the rally from the backcourt and he will have a chance to win.

I don't think LCW's problem is mental strength or at least I think he's not going to get mentally stronger. As a rhythm player his ability to win is going to come down to whether he can reestablish his rhythm not from getting mentally stronger, or forcing the attack. These go against his nature which is to build the rally and play instinctively. The tactics and strategy have to fit the player. So efforts should concentrate on developing his ability to recover and restablish his rhythm. In that regard fitness will be a key as he will have to be prepared to play longer rallies until he is comfortable again.

Or in other words LCW doesn't have to be mentally as strong as LD or attack like LD to beat LD. He just has to maximize his strengths and minimize his weaknesses.

Some other evidence to support this is in Sudirman cup he was always in the zone so never had to recover or establish his rhythm, his wins were effortless right? But in other matches where it is broken he almost* always loses.

Thoughts?

Well said, I agree with you what you wrote above. Just to clarify, I did not intend that because LCW played a tough 3-setter win over TH, that he losts to LD. I have said in another post, LD also played a 70-min 3-setter against Bao, and LD won fair and square. I know LCW mentally is tough as he demonstrated in MO06, his came from behind to win in MO06 is almost impossible in today's 21-point system and no less an opponent against LD in the final. That video is one of my favorite of all times.

Loh

07-17-2007, 11:39 PM

Problem is LD is smart enough not to allow LCW to play in his comfort zone and to maintain his rhythm for long.

When LCW tried to change from net play when he was disadvantaged as I understand from your comments, to playing baseline may not be that easy as LD likes to bring the bird down with his deceptive and effective smashes. So LCW must be precise and be able to return pretty good baseline shots in order not to be attacked by LD. How often can LCW do this to win points from LD, who is no newcomer to his game?

I have not seen that match but if LCW succeeded in the first game, he must have a winning strategy or effective tactics. How was it that he could not continue with that seemingly winning strategy? :rolleyes:

jimbo

07-17-2007, 11:57 PM

If u noticed LD's style of playing, he usually go slow (30%-50%) on the first game, knowing that he could go/speed up the game if needed or if he loses the first game. That's what happened during the LD-LCW match last week.

If u wanna beat LD, u hv to beat him in straight games and dats very very very tough... If the game drags till rubber, it's even tougher coz most players do not have the strong mentality as LD who is able to change the speed or tactics of the game with his fingertips. LCW did very well... but LD was even better... The same goes to Federer vs Naval... :)

I hope Gade will be in good form to stop LD-LCW final in WC07