Zhang Jiewen where are you?

[Just4Kicks]

I wonder if LYB still has plans for Zhang Jiewen?

It is quite puzzling that she was separated from her olympic gold medal partner. I guess they wont be able to defend their title from Huang Sui and Gao Ling and other top pairs.

I saw her name lined up at the China Masters mixed doubles. Would this be her new career?

Anyhow I still believe Zhang Jiewen and Yang Wei are the only pair who can match Gao Ling and Huang Sui shot by shot. Their games are always entertaining.

IMHO the Yang Wei and Zhao Tingting combo doesnt appeal to me much.

[zqloy]

I agree. Zhang/Yang is the only pair that able to beat Gao/Huang consistently during their prime.

[tommy_bun]

I wonder if LYB still has plans for Zhang Jiewen?

It is quite puzzling that she was separated from her olympic gold medal partner. I guess they wont be able to defend their title from Huang Sui and Gao Ling and other top pairs.

I saw her name lined up at the China Masters mixed doubles. Would this be her new career?

Anyhow I still believe Zhang Jiewen and Yang Wei are the only pair who can match Gao Ling and Huang Sui shot by shot. Their games are always entertaining.

IMHO the Yang Wei and Zhao Tingting combo doesnt appeal to me much.

Yang/Zhang used to be a good pair.However I still consider that Yang/Zhao are a good pair also although not as good as Yang/Zhang.I believe Yang/Zhao also can beat Gao/Huang.Let's see

[xavier felipe]

Yang/Zhang used to be a good pair.However I still consider that Yang/Zhao are a good pair also although not as good as Yang/Zhang.I believe Yang/Zhao also can beat Gao/Huang.Let's see


Yup, I miss Zhang Jiewen also. Zhang/Yang is the only couple that can beat Gao/Huang constantly. It is always interesting to watch them meet each other.

Zhang has a very powerful smash i think. ANd she could be a good xd player also. Previously, she has showed it, she was paired up with Zheng Bo or Wang Wei and the results were good, at least semifinal or final.:)

Li Yongbo also thinks that she is a valuable player by pairing her with Gao Ling to replace Huang Sui. However this duo seems dont really work out

[tommy_bun]

Yup, I miss Zhang Jiewen also. Zhang/Yang is the only couple that can beat Gao/Huang constantly. It is always interesting to watch them meet each other.

Zhang has a very powerful smash i think. ANd she could be a good xd player also. Previously, she has showed it, she was paired up with Zheng Bo or Wang Wei and the results were good, at least semifinal or final.:)

Li Yongbo also thinks that she is a valuable player by pairing her with Gao Ling to replace Huang Sui. However this duo seems dont really work out
I dont think that gao/zhang didnt work well.They are a good pair,I think.I saw their match against wei/zhang at INA SS.They really showed wei/zhang who was boss.Wei/Zhang smased them a lot,but it didnt work out.If they lost to Du/Yu in the end,I guess it was just LYB's order.LYB wants Du/Yu to gain their ranking point so they can make it to WC and pass through OG's selection phase.If I were LYB,I would have paired ZJW with young players such as Zhang Dan,Qin T,Pan P,Zhao YL,Cheng S,Ma J or Wang XL to give these young guns some experience.

[dranmo]

honestly, is zhang so terrible that they need to be seperated? i dont think so. from what i heard from friends, main reason is LYB thinks Zhang defense is too weak after the Doha game won over Ogura/Shiota pair (2-1). I guess LYB doesnt really like the idea of losing 1 game to the Japan pair. (according to reliable source, China team has an unspoken rule. you never loss to any Japan player or you will get hell after the game) of course according to LYB, Zhang weakness started to surface after 21 point system and thats the main reason of separating the Olympic pair for experiment.

PS.: I think Zhao Tingting game is not as good as Zhang Jiewen (personal opinion only)

[tjl_vanguard]

i think zhang jiewen is one good player... :D

[DinkAlot]

PS.: I think Zhao Tingting game is not as good as Zhang Jiewen (personal opinion only)

Uhhhhh, that's fact. :p:D

[tommy_bun]

honestly, is zhang so terrible that they need to be seperated? i dont think so. from what i heard from friends, main reason is LYB thinks Zhang defense is too weak after the Doha game won over Ogura/Shiota pair (2-1). I guess LYB doesnt really like the idea of losing 1 game to the Japan pair. (according to reliable source, China team has an unspoken rule. you never loss to any Japan player or you will get hell after the game) of course according to LYB, Zhang weakness started to surface after 21 point system and thats the main reason of separating the Olympic pair for experiment.

PS.: I think Zhao Tingting game is not as good as Zhang Jiewen (personal opinion only)
really??Zhang dan/Zhang yawen once lost to ogura/shiota at denmark open 2005 and lost to emms/kellogg at korea open 2005 too but they just had been splitted in 2006 after Wei/Zhao's performance went down and changed partner

[dranmo]

really??Zhang dan/Zhang yawen once lost to ogura/shiota at denmark open 2005 and lost to emms/kellogg at korea open 2005 too but they just had been splitted in 2006 after Wei/Zhao's performance went down and changed partner

China national team players only get hell if lose to Japan (its bit due to political 'cause the conflict between China and Japan) I guess thats why Zhang Yawen partner now is Wei Yili. Honestly I have watched Zhao's game and always making unforce error in both WD and XD. I dont even understand why LYB pair her up with Yang Wei. I believe there are some office politic running inside the team.

PS about get hell if lose to japan, i was told by coach from the china state team 3-4 years ago. i am not sure is it the same now.

[tommy_bun]

although Yang/Zhao pairing is not as good as Yang/Zhang,They're not bad also.Yang wei is a good player as well,No matter who she pairs with,the result will be good.From Huang nayan,Zhang jw to Zhao TT.

[dranmo]

i dont question the skill of the champion but rather i question the reason of breaking them up. actually for china national team, you can pretty much pair anyone up and you still get a champ. the china badminton team becomes a "champion" player factory and most of the players play the similar style. its getting especially boring to watch WD.

[gjz24]

:crying::mad:Read this.

China open 混双比赛出现让人费解的一幕，一场中国队的“内战”竟然令奥运 (http://2008.sina.com.cn/)冠军张洁雯热泪盈眶。
　　自从与杨维拆对后，张洁雯的“配偶”问题一直悬而未决，在黄穗离队期间，张洁雯一度与高崚配对，可随着 黄穗的归队，张洁雯再次形单影只。本次大师赛，没有搭档的张洁雯并没有出现在女双名册上，反而“转行”与年 轻小将徐晨配起了混双。对于教练的安排，张洁雯选择了接受，并以认真的态度备战。首轮出线后，张洁雯高兴得 像个孩子。昨天第二轮对阵另一对中国选手于洋/何汉斌，虽然张、徐两人由于配对时间短，默契稍有欠缺，第一局以15比21先失一局，但通过磨合后两人很快 以21比13扳回一局，第三局一开局又以5比1领先。但此时，一直在场边观战的男双组助理教练刘新民突然跑 上来，招呼张洁雯和徐晨到场边轻声说了些什么，两人脸色一沉，神色明显不太自在，回到场上两人就像换了个人 似的，尤其张洁雯的球几乎都是冲着网去的，12比21的惨败令人惊讶。就连特意从广州赶来观战的张洁雯妈妈 周艳红也皱起眉头：“之前不是打得挺好的吗？怎么第三局突然乱打起来了？究竟发生了什么事？”
　　拎着球袋，张洁雯眼睛红红地走出球场，脸上却满是倔强的神色，仿佛在压制内心的情绪。此时，一家电视台 上前要求采访：“输球了，你觉得打得怎么样？”“我觉得自己打得挺好！”张洁雯短促而生硬地挤出一句话。“ 对对手的表现怎么评价？”“他们今天发挥得不好。”阿雯的话音里已经明显有了哭腔，眼中的泪水几乎要夺眶而 出。记者马上暂停了采访，气氛显得有点尴尬，大家都不知道怎样安慰这位伤心又倔强的女孩，只能目送她背起球 袋，义无反顾地离开了赛场。

[badmad]

:crying::mad:Read this.

China open 混双比赛出现让人费解的一幕，一场中国队的“内战”竟然令奥运 (http://2008.sina.com.cn/)冠军张洁雯热泪盈眶。
　　自从与杨维拆对后，张洁雯的“配偶”问题一直悬而未决，在黄穗离队期间，张洁雯一度与高崚配对，可随着 黄穗的归队，张洁雯再次形单影只。本次大师赛，没有搭档的张洁雯并没有出现在女双名册上，反而“转行”与年 轻小将徐晨配起了混双。对于教练的安排，张洁雯选择了接受，并以认真的态度备战。首轮出线后，张洁雯高兴得 像个孩子。昨天第二轮对阵另一对中国选手于洋/何汉斌，虽然张、徐两人由于配对时间短，默契稍有欠缺，第一局以15比21先失一局，但通过磨合后两人很快 以21比13扳回一局，第三局一开局又以5比1领先。但此时，一直在场边观战的男双组助理教练刘新民突然跑 上来，招呼张洁雯和徐晨到场边轻声说了些什么，两人脸色一沉，神色明显不太自在，回到场上两人就像换了个人 似的，尤其张洁雯的球几乎都是冲着网去的，12比21的惨败令人惊讶。就连特意从广州赶来观战的张洁雯妈妈 周艳红也皱起眉头：“之前不是打得挺好的吗？怎么第三局突然乱打起来了？究竟发生了什么事？”
　　拎着球袋，张洁雯眼睛红红地走出球场，脸上却满是倔强的神色，仿佛在压制内心的情绪。此时，一家电视台 上前要求采访：“输球了，你觉得打得怎么样？”“我觉得自己打得挺好！”张洁雯短促而生硬地挤出一句话。“ 对对手的表现怎么评价？”“他们今天发挥得不好。”阿雯的话音里已经明显有了哭腔，眼中的泪水几乎要夺眶而 出。记者马上暂停了采访，气氛显得有点尴尬，大家都不知道怎样安慰这位伤心又倔强的女孩，只能目送她背起球 袋，义无反顾地离开了赛场。

i can't really follow your post except couple of numbers 15 21 21 13 12 21... i guess those are the scorelines... ;)

wud someone care to translate?

[gjz24]

Because some special reasons, LYB does not give Zhang a chance to play in high level games (world cup and Olympic). Now even in Chain open, she has to lose to the third XD pair of China, (make sure they have enough pints for Olympic). Now she does not even have any chance to prove herself still a good player anymore. Sigh!!

[bananaboy]

Because some special reasons, LYB does not give Zhang a chance to play in high level games (world cup and Olympic). Now even in Chain open, she has to lose to the third XD pair of China, (make sure they have enough pints for Olympic). Now she does not even have any chance to prove herself still a good player anymore. Sigh!!

That's not the direct translation, and mostly are your assumptions.:p
LYB was not mentioned in the article, so please don't drag him into this without any proof whatsoever.:)

[Han]

That's not the direct translation, and mostly are your assumptions.:p
LYB was not mentioned in the article, so please don't drag him into this without any proof whatsoever.:)

Be real, Li Yongbo has to be the one given order to those assistance coaches to instruct Zhang Jiewen not to win. It's so sad for the players not only have to overcome stressful practice and now can't even to allow compete fairly. Dark day for badminton continues ... LCW better watch out as LYB may threaten to break his leg again against Lin Dan.

[bananaboy]

Be real, Li Yongbo has to be the one given order to those assistance coaches to instruct Zhang Jiewen not to win. It's so sad for the players not only have to overcome stressful practice and now can't even to allow compete fairly. Dark day for badminton continues ... LCW better watch out as LYB may threaten to break his leg again against Lin Dan.

It may be true, but the name of LYB is not mentioned in the article, and for people whom can't understand Chinese, then our assumptions become very misleading in a sense. After-all, they are innocent until proven guilty... plus this article does not have any proof(preferably exactly what the assistant coach said) to Zhang/Xu, which possibly led to what happened in the event.

I am quite surprised as to how the article caught on to what Zhang's mother said(which supports the main idea of Zhang got screwed), but nothing more... like what the coach said or something else.

[Jasonvan]

Basically the article just said, ever since her partner's retirement(i think, I am not very good with simpify chinese), she doesn't have a consistent WD partner but she was extremely happy to be given the chance to play XD. In the match yesterday? or two days ago, even though their partnership is short and they didn't have time to get used to each other, they fought back from losing 15-21 in the first set to take the second 21-13 and was leading the third 5-1 when an assistant coach came on and spoke to her and Xu, and you can tell from their facial expression that something was wrong. After returning to the court, they seem like a different pair... With most of her shots making a beeline for the net, they lost the final set 12-21. While leaving the court, a reporter wanted to interview her and asked her how she felt about losing, she said she thought she played well, than reporter asked what about your opponent, she said she thought they didn't play to their best today. After that tears were close to coming out of her eyes and her voice is cracking basically and they had to stop the interview.

[huangkwokhau]

whatever happened to zhang Zi Wen is bad....I hope that she can have another chance..if not..moev to USA and stay with me....hehe
We need you in US....or move to Indonesia to join Jarum...you will get more money...many availabe single man will marry you.....cheer !!!

[Shifty]

if that's true, that's rather dumb of China. after all, she could be an unlocked talent in the mixed doubles arena, and could do well to bolster china's mixed.

[yuqiu]

whatever happened to zhang Zi Wen is bad....I hope that she can have another chance..if not..moev to USA and stay with me....hehe
We need you in US....or move to Indonesia to join Jarum...you will get more money...many availabe single man will marry you.....cheer !!!

She will want to go to Malaysia because she is CTF girlfriend. She should move to Malaysia and play XD for Malaysia. She will be much appreciated there. :D

[zqloy]

Poor girl. Come to Malaysia, at least can play xd with CTF :D

[Shifty]

Poor girl. Come to Malaysia, at least can play xd with CTF :D

won't do much. what happens after she retires?

[yuqiu]

For those who can read simplified chinese, check out the response from people in China about this incident.
http://comment4.news.sina.com.cn/comment/skin/default.html?channel=ty&newsid=6-12-3037253

[sumbadder]

Poor girl. Come to Malaysia, at least can play xd with CTF :D

seriously. She should get out now haha :p This is definitely an odd situation and really disappointing since she's one of my favorite women's dubs player to watch. And given the amount of talent all the CHN women have, wouldn't it seem like LYB could partner ZJW up with any other girl he has and they'd do pretty well? He could have 4 teams in the top 4 maybe!


For those who can read simplified chinese, check out the response from people in China about this incident.
http://comment4.news.sina.com.cn/com...d=6-12-3037253 (http://comment4.news.sina.com.cn/comment/skin/default.html?channel=ty&newsid=6-12-3037253)
seems like a lot of ppl still support her

[huangkwokhau]

She will want to go to Malaysia because she is CTF girlfriend. She should move to Malaysia and play XD for Malaysia. She will be much appreciated there. :D
Really? since when?? I am just curious...how often they meet?
In this case if it is true, she should marry CTF then she can move to Malaysia..I am sure BAM will recruit her right away...and ask her not have babies soon...:D

[yuqiu]

Really? since when?? I am just curious...how often they meet?
In this case if it is true, she should marry CTF then she can move to Malaysia..I am sure BAM will recruit her right away...and ask her not have babies soon...:D


Not sure how long they have dated. I learned from others in this forum. Maybe someone who is close to them can share some detail. Really like to know what she and her partner were told.

[madbad]

Excerpt from Badzine report by Yves Lacroix, 14 July/07

An anonymous source to Badzine reported that Zhang Jiewen was in tears after her second-round loss in the mixed doubles with partner Chen Xu against compatriots He and Yu yesterday. Hinting that they were instructed by head coach Li Yongbo to lose the match, Zhang, in a clever comment, said: "We played well and they played badly, that's why we lost".

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Although I shouldn't be, I am left speechless. Poor Jiewen (and Chen Xu), just too good at the wrong time and for a country that's not appreciative of her.:mad:

[huangkwokhau]

Excerpt from Badzine report by Yves Lacroix, 14 July/07

An anonymous source to Badzine reported that Zhang Jiewen was in tears after her second-round loss in the mixed doubles with partner Chen Xu against compatriots He and Yu yesterday. Hinting that they were instructed by head coach Li Yongbo to lose the match, Zhang, in a clever comment, said: "We played well and they played badly, that's why we lost".

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Although I shouldn't be, I am left speechless. Poor Jiewen (and Chen Xu), just too good at the wrong time and for a country that's not appreciative of her.:mad:


May be LYB needs he/Yu wins so they can be seeded higher at WC..anyway HE/Yu lost to ENG pair which I lost my PAW too.:(:(:(

I am surprise that he did not ask BCL, or WYH to lose easier to LD/ZN so they can conserve the energy for tonight....

[madbad]

May be LYB needs he/Yu wins so they can be seeded higher at WC..anyway HE/Yu lost to ENG pair which I lost my PAW too.:(:(:(

I am surprise that he did not ask BCL, or WYH to lose easier to LD/ZN so they can conserve the energy for tonight....

I had expected LYB to ask WYH to throw her match against ZN because of ZN's age. I think ZN is going to have a tough time against Pi tonight because of fatigue. I think LD can take care of himself–he's a tough guy.

[Shifty]

well, Guo and Xie did. Fu and Cai had a nice and easy walkover

[zqloy]

May be LYB needs he/Yu wins so they can be seeded higher at WC..anyway HE/Yu lost to ENG pair which I lost my PAW too.:(:(:(

I am surprise that he did not ask BCL, or WYH to lose easier to LD/ZN so they can conserve the energy for tonight....

This is because LD need some match preperation b4 facing TH or LCW in the next round. He must be rusty if given a easy walkover.

[zqloy]

Just a thought, perhaps ZJW got boycotted might hv sth to do with the fact that she has a Msian bf......
Its just a sad end for an Olympic Champion....

[orchiid]

well, unfair thing happened on ZJW's partner Yang wei also
when was little she played nice but the local team didnt choose her bcoz her family had no backstage support. so she had to move to another province and finally join in national team

[hcyong]

Poor ZJW. I wonder if it's because she was reportedly going out with CTF (the enemy) that she got this treatment. I mean why break up Yang/Zhang (one of the unshakeable pillars in WD) in the first place? Yang Wei got Zhao TT, but what about Zhang? And she's still in the prime of her playing career.

Well, if she and CTF are serious, I wouldn't mind if she moves to Malaysia :). At the very least, she can give sparring practice (that's practically what she is doing in China now, isn't she?) and become a coach later. Or maybe her fortunes will turn better in China itself. Wish her well.

[zqloy]

Poor ZJW. I wonder if it's because she was reportedly going out with CTF (the enemy) that she got this treatment. I mean why break up Yang/Zhang (one of the unshakeable pillars in WD) in the first place? Yang Wei got Zhao TT, but what about Zhang? And she's still in the prime of her playing career.



Frankly speaking, YW pairing up with ZTT just didnt hv the chemistry, dont think they will go far, even ZYW/WYL and DJ/YY is doin better than this pair.

[jimbo]

I'm not too sure about this, but if what has been said about LYB is true, it seems like he is running his own show and everyone else (the players) are at his mercy :mad: Poor them... I thought everyone (good players) should be given the equal chance to compete? It's their career afterall, LYB :mad:

Anyway, pls come to Msia and win a point for us in XD :D

Malaysia BOLEH...!!!

[LI De Quan]

I don't like LYB.

[fishmilk]

So how many tournaments does she have left to try to rack up points for the OG2008?

[Just4Kicks]

I doubt if she will be included in the olympics... or the world championships even. The chinese squad has now 4 women's double gao/huang, wei yili/zhang yawen, du jing/yu yang and yang wei/ zhao tingting ( in place of poor zhang jiewen)

And when it comes to mixed there is xie zhongbo/zhang yawen, gao ling/zheng bo, he hanbin/ yu yang and zhang jun/ zhao tingting.

I really dont know what has happened, I guess one of her option is to retire from the squadthen move to another country -hongkong or malaysia (CTF!!!!)

I am very sure she will be more welcome there and badminton associations there would be very pleased to let her play..if she moves in HK, i guess with Wang Chen and Zhou Mi, IMHO we can have one serious challenger that might ( just might) topple the great wall in UBER cup.

[Just4Kicks]

:crying:I doubt if she will be included in the olympics... or the world championships even. The chinese squad has now 4 women's double gao/huang, wei yili/zhang yawen, du jing/yu yang and yang wei/ zhao tingting ( in place of poor zhang jiewen)

And when it comes to mixed there is xie zhongbo/zhang yawen, gao ling/zheng bo, he hanbin/ yu yang and zhang jun/ zhao tingting.

I really dont know what has happened, I guess one of the best option is to retire from the squad then move to another country -hongkong or malaysia (CTF!!!!) Or maybe she can convince Yang Wei and do a "Chen Hong" im sure sponsors will flood in too.

If she moves in HK, i guess with Wang Chen and Zhou Mi, IMHO we can have one serious challenger that might ( just might) topple the great wall in UBER cup.

[orchiid]

I really dont know what has happened, I guess one of her option is to retire from the squadthen move to another country -hongkong or malaysia (CTF!!!!)

not as easy as you think...
even HK[not a country] welcome her maybe she couldn't find a proper partner there.

[Just4Kicks]

Well yeah HK is not a country sorry for that but in the sporting world its considered as a seperate entity from China. Now lets not be nit picky cause thats beside my point. Point is she could transfer and play into another place like what zhou mi and wang chen did. Or Pi hongyan for that matter.

Anyways, anyone partnered with zhang will have at least an advantage, im not saying its easy, but im sure they wont bow down without a fight.

[Shifty]

Frankly speaking, YW pairing up with ZTT just didnt hv the chemistry, dont think they will go far, even ZYW/WYL and DJ/YY is doin better than this pair.

Yang Wei and Zhao bet Gao and Huang in the quarters of the doubles in CHina Masters. isn't there also a rule from BWF that any player moving to play for another has to wait 3-4 years before competing internationally? if so, by the time that's over, Zhang will be too old to play well for any country

[huangkwokhau]

Yang Wei and Zhao bet Gao and Huang in the quarters of the doubles in CHina Masters. isn't there also a rule from BWF that any player moving to play for another has to wait 3-4 years before competing internationally? if so, by the time that's over, Zhang will be too old to play well for any country

Really? have to wait 3 or 4 yrs???Wang Li Li plays for INA now..she starts with Phillipine open next week...not sure how long she has to wait...

Zhou Mi does not have to wait that long to play for HK???right?

[orchiid]

Really? have to wait 3 or 4 yrs???Wang Li Li plays for INA now..she starts with Phillipine open next week...not sure how long she has to wait...

Zhou Mi does not have to wait that long to play for HK???right?
it does cost 3 or 4? years if you want to play in OG [Wang chen has the right]
but in 04 OG, a pingpong MD player of HK team who got a silver medal, hadn't been in HK team for 4 years, so...there still being little chance for ZM

[ctjcad]

Really? since when?? I am just curious...how often they meet?
In this case if it is true, she should marry CTF then she can move to Malaysia..I am sure BAM will recruit her right away...and ask her not have babies soon...:D

Not sure how long they have dated. I learned from others in this forum. Maybe someone who is close to them can share some detail. Really like to know what she and her partner were told.
...here's the news/related thread: http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=32832;)

[rwchen]

I feel sorry for ZJW. Her partnership with Yang Wei was abruptly split when they were the World Number One pair few months ago. Then, she did not get the chance to prove herself in XD in the China Masters. She was dealt a double blow when she can still play well and this must be a bitter pill to swallow. Yang Wei mentioned in her blog recently saying that she was not happy with some "matters" but she just has to accept it as there is nothing she can do. I am not sure whether the matters have to do with the change of partnership. The chance for ZJW to be at Beijing Olympics is getting slimmer and slimmer..this is a sad ending to a player who is still playing at a high level like her.

[xavier felipe]

well, unfair thing happened on ZJW's partner Yang wei also
when was little she played nice but the local team didnt choose her bcoz her family had no backstage support. so she had to move to another province and finally join in national team

Yup poor Zhang Jiewen

I dun know why that arrogant LYB prefers Zhao Tingting. I think Yang Wei/Zhang Jiewen is much better then Yang/Zhao.

Zhao TT is not that good, she always have trouble to face Ra Kyung-min. Her body shape is even not better than Zhang. While Zhang Jiewen has good record against Ra Kyung-min in WD.

Ah I know now. Previously Yang Wei is from Hubei, partnered with Gao Ling while they were still junior and got the World Champ Junior.
But suddenly Yang Wei moved to Guangdong.

I think Zhang Dan also faced this problem. Previously Zhang Dan/Zhang Yawen had good record against Wei Yili/Zhao Tingting. And sudddenly LYB split them and put away Zhang Dan.

I hope Zhang Jiewen can survive. She is still the best. Stupid LYB:mad:

[ants]

Her relationship with CTF is rock solid. And they are serious about each other.

[hcyong]

Her relationship with CTF is rock solid. And they are serious about each other.

That's good to hear. Hope the best for them. If ZJW is over in China and CTF if over in Malaysia, they can come out freelance and play XD. That'll be fun. But don't know. CTF always clowing around, how far can they get?

[pjswift]

Her relationship with CTF is rock solid. And they are serious about each other.
The point is: Has CTF popped the question? Otherwise how can she come over to M'sia? Why is CTF such a slowcoach? Or is he expecting her to pop the question? Of course LYB won't trust her since the bf can, on a rare inspired day, spoil his MD's glory. So LYB has to make ZJW look bad first before logically retiring her. CTF shouldn't assume she's his just because they are serious about each other. Like badminton, the match is not won until the final point is won and fortunes can change very quickly. But I must say CTF has good taste. ZJW's beauty grows on you, like what Teochews say,'nai toi'.

[ants]

The point is: Has CTF popped the question? Otherwise how can she come over to M'sia? Why is CTF such a slowcoach? Or is he expecting her to pop the question? Of course LYB won't trust her since the bf can, on a rare inspired day, spoil his MD's glory. So LYB has to make ZJW look bad first before logically retiring her. CTF shouldn't assume she's his just because they are serious about each other. Like badminton, the match is not won until the final point is won and fortunes can change very quickly. But I must say CTF has good taste. ZJW's beauty grows on you, like what Teochews say,'nai toi'.

You will see after the Olympics. :)

[pjswift]

You will see after the Olympics. :)
That's too long to wait by today's standards. What's wrong with now?

[lina_ngchiuhwa]

In 2007 Malaysia Open, i use to hate Zhang Jiewen, but after she have been told to lose the XD match to He Hanbin-Yu Yang, i feel pity for her. The coach shouldn't have done that. It's cruel to the players. If Li Yongbo decided to continue to drop her from the Chinese team, i'm sure Zhang Jiewen will retired from her team and will join other countries. Maybe Malaysia would be the first options for her. Choong Tan Fook should encourage her more... She cried and everyone knows what had happened to her. If someone who wants to know how long have been Zhang Jiewen and Tan Fook get together, they should ask Chong Wei and the others teammates. They know it. I predict Li Yongbo hate Zhang Jiewen dating with Tan Fook b'coz he is China's enemy... HATE LI YONGBO!!!

[lina_ngchiuhwa]

Oh yeah, another things about Chong Wei. I read yesterday(13july) China Press paper, the press ask him whether he wants to date a gal from China just like his teammates, CTF with Zhang Jiewen from China, he answered with a red blushed face(shy), "I don't want to date a girl who play badminton". And this prove he's really not dating Wong Mew Choo... Chong Wei said he choose to retire after the 2008 beijing olympics games. If can, he wants to go back to his hometown to do some small business. He miss his parents and his home. He only goes back to Penang once a year in every Chinese New Year... Sad...

[dranmo]

everyone said its because who she date but i am not sure is that the reason for that. after all her bf has been clear even in BC. I think LYB knows that for a long time already but there must be some other reason for not giving her a chance.

Is LYB not giving her a chance? after all there was awhile that she is pairing up with Gao Ling. of course we never know the real reason behind it and likely LYB will never tell the truth in the news.

[tommy_bun]

After the defeating of Du/Yu to vita/natsir maybe LYB can count on Zhang JW again.She is a good player,If she can get a good partner,she will raise again.

[xavier felipe]

After the defeating of Du/Yu to vita/natsir maybe LYB can count on Zhang JW again.She is a good player,If she can get a good partner,she will raise again.

Agree, Zhang Jiewen is the best. I hope LYB could change his mind. Or maybe Zhang Jiewen/Zhang Dan?

[Han]

Agree, Zhang Jiewen is the best. I hope LYB could change his mind. Or maybe Zhang Jiewen/Zhang Dan?

How wrong can it be to put Zhang Jiewen and Yang Wei back together, after all they are the Olympic 2004 champion!!! Is a no brainer.

[Han]

Oh yeah, another things about Chong Wei. I read yesterday(13july) China Press paper, the press ask him whether he wants to date a gal from China just like his teammates, CTF with Zhang Jiewen from China, he answered with a red blushed face(shy), "I don't want to date a girl who play badminton". And this prove he's really not dating Wong Mew Choo... Chong Wei said he choose to retire after the 2008 beijing olympics games. If can, he wants to go back to his hometown to do some small business. He miss his parents and his home. He only goes back to Penang once a year in every Chinese New Year... Sad...

Yes, I also read about that too, even Mew Choo said they are only good friend. We also haven't seen any picture about this couple in public so may be they are really just a good friend :confused:

[Angelou]

Hmmm... well I have observed this partnership between Yang Wei and Zhang JieWen for quite a while. And certainly Yang Wei was usually the solid one during many of the matches. Yang Wei's ability to cope under pressure and create openings for her partner has been very visible and quite incredible in my opinion. I'm surprised that Yang Wei isn't recognized for her excellence. Especially in her positioning and thinking. Quite amazing. Zhang JieWen on the otherhand is not bad as well, but not as consistent when I watched her recently. She often does go out on bad spells. And So I can see why there was a split in the partnership. But I felt that this was somewhat of a blow to the morale of the team. Though Li Yong Bo and his management team is doing what's best for China, I think that it's also important that the feelings of the players be put into perspective.

But Anyways I hope that Zhang does find her light back into badminton.

[V3i HoN6]

I truly believe that this is just a tip of the iceberg.
Perhaps incident like happens all over the times in China team.

[zqloy]

Hmmm... well I have observed this partnership between Yang Wei and Zhang JieWen for quite a while. And certainly Yang Wei was usually the solid one during many of the matches. Yang Wei's ability to cope under pressure and create openings for her partner has been very visible and quite incredible in my opinion. I'm surprised that Yang Wei isn't recognized for her excellence. Especially in her positioning and thinking. Quite amazing. Zhang JieWen on the otherhand is not bad as well, but not as consistent when I watched her recently. She often does go out on bad spells. And So I can see why there was a split in the partnership. But I felt that this was somewhat of a blow to the morale of the team. Though Li Yong Bo and his management team is doing what's best for China, I think that it's also important that the feelings of the players be put into perspective.

But Anyways I hope that Zhang does find her light back into badminton.

Yang Wei is a low profile but very solid player with good brains, her ability is no less than GL. GL is more popular perhaps because of the her achievement in both WD and XD.

[Jasonvan]

The difference I think is GL seem more happy on the court though... like even when she is behind she is always smiling which might make her partner relax more and take pressure off him/her?

[phaichamnan]

Yehhh......Finally LYB decision is wrong.
V Marissa/L Natsir beat W Yang/TT Zhao

[jasonmarc]

How wrong can it be to put Zhang Jiewen and Yang Wei back together, after all they are the Olympic 2004 champion!!! Is a no brainer.

I think that's why LYB split them.....they are already OLYMPic Champion.....if they win again in Beijing.....thats mean no change for LYB golden girl to be OLympic champion .....so LYB has to split them,.....i think ZJW/YW is the only pair that always beat GL/HS in all important tournaments....in the past...:rolleyes:...........;)..............:D

[george@chongwei]

ya true zhang jie wen shall play for MAS...she does noy have a future at china team anymore... so come to MAS la.

[OneToughBirdie]

I think that's why LYB split them.....they are already OLYMPic Champion.....if they win again in Beijing.....thats mean no change for LYB golden girl to be OLympic champion .....so LYB has to split them,.....i think ZJW/YW is the only pair that always beat GL/HS in all important tournaments....in the past...:rolleyes:...........;)..............:D

I tend to agree with your thinking...;)

[azneric]

according from china badminton discussion form, LYB has mentioned that ZJW is about to retired soon, such action makes me feel that he is tryin to either force or persuade her to retired.

[zqloy]

according from china badminton discussion form, LYB has mentioned that ZJW is about to retired soon, such action makes me feel that he is tryin to either force or persuade her to retired.

Its not surprising. Even YW might hv problem getting in the OG squad too, GL/HS, WYL/ZYW and Du/Yu seems more established partnership than YW/ZTT. Both YW and ZJW nvr appear to me as LYB's fav pet, even they r the Olympic Champs.

[dranmo]

i watched the game and ZTT is a bit slow on covering up YW. ZTT seems to slow on following at the net front and many shot push right thru her and cost YW to play passively. 3rd game that is more clear that ZTT is the weaker link and most point are cost by ZTT unforce error and bad judgment. Recently performance of ZJW shows a lot of weakness in defense. However YW/ZJW is a better pair compare to YW/ZTT

[fabcargo]

You will see after the Olympics. :)

Ants, what about a little leak? please.....:)

[robin7]

I'm really sick of CHN sports of having to retire in-form players just to make way to some favorite players.

I can almost guarantee that LYB will choose GL/HS, WYL/ZYW & Du/Yu for OG08. Wait & See.

[fabcargo]

You will see after the Olympics. :)


I'm really sick of CHN sports of having to retire in-form players just to make way to some favorite players.

I can almost guarantee that LYB will choose GL/HS, WYL/ZYW & Du/Yu for OG08. Wait & See.

in my opinion, i think this is called "long term planning to keep on dominating."

[robin7]

搜狐体育讯 北京时间7月16日消息，2007中国羽毛球大师赛今天下午落下帷幕，最后进行的女双决赛爆出小冷门，中国 组合杨维/赵婷婷1-2不敌印尼选手纳西尔/玛丽莎屈居亚军，杨维在雅典奥运会夺冠的搭档张洁雯此次没有出战女双比赛，赛后李永波接受采访暗示张洁雯可 能会选择从国家队退役。

20多年来，羽球女双一直是中国队的强势项目。从当年的林瑛/吴迪西到林瑛/关渭贞再到关渭贞/农群华，女双一直保持着世界顶尖水平，之后就是葛菲/顾俊这对无敌组合，从1996年3月至1999年间，她们国际比赛未输一场，连胜的场数达到100场左右， 还连夺96年亚特兰大和悉尼奥运会两届冠军。

目前中国队除了杨维/赵婷婷，目前中国羽毛球队还拥有多哈亚运会冠军高崚/黄穗，目前中国女双头号选手张亚雯/魏轶力以及小将杜婧/于洋等三对组合，而雅典奥运会冠军杨维/张洁雯目前已经被拆对，张洁雯目前没有好的搭档，在大师赛赛后羽球队总教练李永波表示，比起另外四对八名选 手相比，张洁雯和她们的竞争力要小一些。也许她会像陈宏那样选择回到自己的省队或者就此退役，毕竟当一个队 员感到参加奥运会的机会十分渺茫的时候，选择离开也是我们可以理解的，这是首次李永波在公开场合透露，前奥 运冠军张洁雯可能就此退役。

相比杨维12岁从湖北来到广东，张洁雯可是一个地道的广东妹，而且一开始就专攻双打。98年世青赛，她和曾 经的双打运动员谢杏芳搭档获得了女双冠军、两年后她又和魏轶力搭档获得世青赛冠军以及全国双打冠军赛女双冠 军，2001年世锦赛她们输给高崚/黄穗获得女双亚军；在当年广东举行的九运会上她和杨维搭档在主场夺冠，一对黄金搭档就此出现在了历史的舞台 。

2002年釜山亚运会上，韩国名将罗景民、李敬元连挫中国数对女双，为了夺回优势，中国队对几名女双主力进 行了重新配置，由于杨维2000年奥运会夺得银牌的搭档黄楠雁退役，杨维和张洁雯自然而然的在国家队走到了 一起。出生于1979年的杨维身高1.72米，出生于1981年的张洁雯身高1.77米，从先天条件来看比 葛菲、顾俊要强，杨维司职前场，以攻为主，扑球迅速，能为搭档创造出绝好的进攻机会，防守也密不透风；身材 较高的张洁雯坐阵后场，扣杀势大力沉，两人组合同样珠联璧合，虽然配对时间不长，但由于她们在生活中就是一 对好姐妹，因此在不长的时间内迅速达到了葛菲、顾俊般的默契程度，这对组合甫一亮相就令人眼前一亮，在02 年底的亚锦赛上她们一路过关斩将闯进决赛，输给了队友高崚/黄穗获得了亚军，03年她们俩在多项比赛中闯进决赛，世界排名迅速进入前三。04年雅典奥运会登顶后，她们 又在05年夺得世锦赛冠军，成为了葛菲/顾俊之后又一对金牌搭档。

然而2005年益阳世界杯上国际羽联开始改制实行21分制后，两人的命运开始发生变化，从发球得分到每球得 分，要求队员对于每个球的注意力增强了，而且对于防守的要求更高，虽然在05年世界杯上杨维/张洁雯击败配对仅一个多月的魏轶力/张亚雯夺冠，但赛后都坦言对21分制的不适应，张洁雯在赛后接受采访时说：“我（甚至）觉得21分后的比赛 有点不像羽毛球了，包括在小组赛中我们面对实力差的对手，压力都好大，真的不是很习惯。”

相比心理，技术上暴露出的缺陷更是让张洁雯难以适应新赛制，李永波认为，21分制对杨维/张洁雯的打法很不利。“张洁雯的防守现在有较大问题，比赛中她防守时很勉强，而且比较怕防守，这使她变得打 法不够全面，由于不全面，在场上丢分的机会就多了。”

此外伤病也成了杨/张分道扬镳的原因之一，此前，张洁雯因为伤病导致训练不系统，状态比较差。在去年广州公开赛，张洁雯忍着腿 伤和杨维创造了广州公开赛三连冠的壮举，但在赛后她们俩久就得到了一个坏消息：由于要锻炼新人，她们将无缘 年底的多哈亚运会。

但是命运就是这样奇妙，由于女双小将于洋的受伤，杨维/张洁雯又获得了参加多哈亚运会的机会，拥有奥运会、世锦赛和世界杯冠军头衔的她们只要再拿下一枚亚运会金牌 ，她们就能追平葛菲/顾俊的“金满贯”记录，然而遗憾的是她们在决赛中输给了队友高崚/黄穗，未能追平前辈的成绩。

进入07年后，这对广州双妹的命运更加不顺利，马来西亚公开赛输给日本选手止步八强，韩国公开 赛输给了高崚/黄穗屈居亚军，虽然德国公开赛上他们夺冠，但在全英公开赛上她们在决赛上又输给了队友张亚雯/魏轶力，接连的“内战”失利，使得瑞士公开赛前，羽球队做出了决定，张洁雯回国，瑞士赛杨维和赵婷婷搭档出 战，同样和葛菲来自江苏南通的八一小将赵婷婷同样身材高大，球风泼辣，和杨维首次搭档便取得良好效果，拿下 了瑞士赛的冠军，此后国际比赛外战保持不败，并且拿下了亚锦赛以及新加坡、印尼两站奥运积分赛的亚军（冠军 分别是张亚雯/魏轶力以及杜婧/于洋），直到中国大师赛，她们才首次输给外国选手。

虽然女双这次罕见的落败，但中国女双仍然是世界诸强中最为强大的，由于奥运会一个国家最多三对选手参加，因 此高崚/黄穗、杨维/赵婷婷、张亚雯/魏轶力以及杜婧/于洋四对组合的“人才储备”数量令人满意，本次大师赛张洁雯并没有出战女双，而是和小将徐晨搭档出战混双， 在1/8决赛中，徐晨/张洁雯的对手是去年的亚军于洋/何汉斌。在三局战成1比1的情况下，第3局，原本势头迅猛的徐晨/张洁雯突然频频失误，屡次回球下网，他们很快便以13比21败下阵来。赛后有记者发现，张洁雯罕见的躲在卫 生间痛哭不已。此前老将夏煊泽也在和徐晨、赵婷婷搭档男双和混双不成功后急流勇退，选择了退役 。

张洁雯如果真的从国家队退役，她将是半年多来羽毛球队继陈宏、桑洋、夏煊泽之后的第四名国手，首个奥运冠军 ，此前黄穗一度萌生退意，而本次比赛受伤的老将张军也多次被报道可能退役，这些曾经功勋卓著老将命运不禁令 人唏嘘感慨。 (责任编辑：斯汤达)

[Linus]

This thread started with an new article and some suspicious about what had actually happened between a XD match of 2 Chinese pairs.... after about 40+ posts, with no other facts or details of the incidents, it then suddenly became a fact that the match is thrown! :eek:



"but after she have been told to lose the XD match to He Hanbin-Yu Yang, i feel pity for her"


Amazing, how speculations after being repeated many times become fact!

Dont get me wrong, I was not there courtside so neither do I know what actually happened. That is precisely why neither of us so come to conclusion just base on one news article.

If we want to be skeptical, we should also question the source, which is from a Guangzhou-base local paper... and ZJW is ex-Guangdong province! Given this connection, we need to read the article with a (large) pinch of salt! :rolleyes:

We may question some of the dubious "walk-over", but we cannot simply put one and one together just like that.

[Linus]

搜狐体育讯 北京时间7月16日消息，2007中国羽毛球大师赛今天下午落下帷幕，最后进行的女双决赛爆出小冷门，中国 组合杨维/赵婷婷1-2不敌印尼选手纳西尔/玛丽莎屈居亚军，杨维在雅典奥运会夺冠的搭档张洁雯此次没有出战女双比赛，赛后李永波接受采访暗示张洁雯可 能会选择从国家队退役。


Robin, this article you quoted only suggested ZJW may choose to retire. It is not like your post heading "LYB's explanation of ZJW's retirement" suggested that she has decided to retire.

I think this is important for those members who could not read Chinese to understand that it is a assumption only and not a reality yet.

[badminto_expert]

Hi. LYB want to split them because LYB love to ZTT..


I think that's why LYB split them.....they are already OLYMPic Champion.....if they win again in Beijing.....thats mean no change for LYB golden girl to be OLympic champion .....so LYB has to split them,.....i think ZJW/YW is the only pair that always beat GL/HS in all important tournaments....in the past...:rolleyes:...........;)..............:D

[lilayzunboi]

I guess ZJW is being nudged very strongly to retire by LYB since there are a lot of news articles where he's plainly stating that she's always sick, incapable, not needed, unwanted, too old, etc. He mentions he would do his best to keep her on the team but always states that if she wants to leave he won't stop her. I read one article where he talked about how YW/ZJW were still high in the world rankings and that he would keep that in mind, but I don't really get why it was mentioned if he has no intention to put them back together. I think he just likes having them at the top rankings because when they don't play, his lower-ranked player all get to qualify for things that they normally wouldn't - like WC etc.
LYB only does this for his WD since they're still dominant and can be interchanged and still produce a top pairing. Look at Xie Zhongbo/Zhang Yawen combination for instance. They haven't won a title this year and only took two last year I believe, and have been consistently losing to foreign players (a reason that LYB split up ZJW YW was cause they kept losing to foreign pairs) in the quarters and semis yet they are still paired up.

[V3i HoN6]

Robin, this article you quoted only suggested ZJW may choose to retire. It is not like your post heading "LYB's explanation of ZJW's retirement" suggested that she has decided to retire.

I think this is important for those members who could not read Chinese.
Well, it was from the mouth of LYB that suggested she "most probably" will retire even before ZJW saying anything about retirement.
The explanation part wasn't from LYB personally but I believe it was an elaboration by the reporter itself FOLLOWED by the comment of LYB.


赛后李永波接受采访暗示张洁雯可 能会选择从国家队退役。

It clearly stated it was LYB hinting that ZJW may choose to retire from the national team, in an interview after the competition(China Master 2007).

[Linus]

All I am trying to point out is the difference between the post headline and teh article. A non-Chinese reading member would get a wrong idea just by reading the post headline (the only English text!).

As you rightly pointed out, the main article is not 'LYB's explanation" but the reporter's account of ZJW's career so far.

[V3i HoN6]

This thread started with an new article and some suspicious about what had actually happened between a XD match of 2 Chinese pairs.... after about 40+ posts, with no other facts or details of the incidents, it then suddenly became a fact that the match is thrown! :eek:

Amazing, how speculations after being repeated many times become fact!

Dont get me wrong, I was not there courtside so neither do I know what actually happened. That is precisely why neither of us so come to conclusion just base on one news article.

If we want to be skeptical, we should also question the source, which is from a Guangzhou-base local paper... and ZJW is ex-Guangdong province! Given this connection, we need to read the article with a (large) pinch of salt! :rolleyes:

We may question some of the dubious "walk-over", but we cannot simply put one and one together just like that.

Agree with this, just something to add.
We should always question the credibility of the source, and avoid taking it for granted after it being repeated several times.
But in this case, other than the one and only source, it was more than that which contributed to the badminton fans giving little doubt.
Anyone who follow badminton long enough, including the chinese themselves know well about this and it's no secret to the world. It's the norm in China team for like years and it happened way before ZJW and involves way bigger star. The recent one I recalled was Chen Hong, Gong Rui Na, and ________ (fill out any name of competitve WS expatriate from China).

You may still argue that it is still not right to generalize but afterall we are not autobots, but humans. I'm just saying that we do not make speculation based on one single news but rather than this is just a confirmation to us, for deep down our heart, we know this is how China team operate.

Nonetheless, a very good reminder to us. Just like how yesterday a Chinese news that write about LD complaint of line calls being reject, which we dont really know "In" or "Out", being quoted as the umpire actually helping LCW. I suppose if they are watching the games, they should have see 10 times more challenges of line call being rejected when they are against China, the judge helping the China team? You figure.

[robin7]

Robin, this article you quoted only suggested ZJW may choose to retire. It is not like your post heading "LYB's explanation of ZJW's retirement" suggested that she has decided to retire.

I think this is important for those members who could not read Chinese to understand that it is a assumption only and not a reality yet.

Linus, the topic of "LYB's explanation of ZJW's retirement" was direct translation directly from this article entitled <<揭秘羽球奥运冠军缘何濒临退役 21分制竟是诱因 (http://sports.sohu.com/20070716/n251071095.shtml)>>.

[robin7]

尊重张洁雯的抉择

杨维/赵婷婷的失守牵涉到另外一个人，她就是张洁雯。杨维/张洁雯原本是当今世界羽坛实力数一数二的一对选手，不过，在今年初，中国队女双教练组决定将其拆对，杨维改 与赵婷婷配对。张洁雯在短暂地与高崚配对后“落单”了，至今未被安排女双新搭档，而她在本次比赛中仅参加了 混双项目，在第2轮中莫名其妙地输给了队友于洋/何汉斌后，她自己赛后委屈地躲在卫生间里失声痛哭，而这也惊动了广州市体育局局长刘江南，后者专门致电慰问 张洁雯，并表示支持她的一切决定。

在谈到张洁雯的去留问题时，李永波首先解释了为何作出拆对的决定。“杨维/张洁雯曾夺得奥运会女双冠军，但是，4年是一个周期，每名运动员的状态都可能发生变化，我们教练组对此十分 清楚。”李永波以两届奥运会混双冠军张军/高崚被拆对为例，“由于伤病的影响，张洁雯在年初的状态并不好，她与杨维曾输给日本队组合和中国台北队组合 ，所以教练组决定让杨维与赵婷婷尝试配对。我们发现，她们基本上没有输球，在世界大赛中也只是输给队友，而 这次算是两人第一次对外输球。”

李永波强调：“张洁雯本身很努力，现在她暂时没有拍档，而参加北京奥运会的中国队女双组合最多是3对，目前 的世界排名显示，高崚/黄穗、杨维/赵婷婷和杜靖/于洋是相对最稳定的。”李永波暗示已经没有位置留给第4对组合，“张洁雯如果觉得自己没有竞争力，觉得参加 北京奥运会的机会不大，像陈宏那样选择返回地方队的话，我们一定会尊重运动员的抉择。”

中国队女双组主教练田秉毅对此问题避而不谈。而杨维则表示，这只是教练组的决定，并非如外界所说的自己与张 洁雯关系不好，“我和阿雯现在还是很好的朋友。”对于与赵婷婷的配对，杨维透露：“以我的感觉来说，应该是 固定了。”至于张洁雯目前所处的尴尬局面，杨维露出无奈的神色，她意味深长地说：“我已经尽力 了。”

Source (http://sports.sohu.com/20070716/n251068088.shtml)

[Linus]

Linus, the topic of "LYB's explanation of ZJW's retirement" was direct translation directly from this article entitled <<揭秘羽球奥运冠军缘何濒临退役 21分制竟是诱因 (http://sports.sohu.com/20070716/n251071095.shtml)>>.

Thanks Robin.

The correct translation for that should be:

'Revealed: The 21-points scoring system was an factor that may lead to the retirement of an Olympic Champion'

If you read the full article, the main content was not from LYB's but the reporter own's reserch. So there is no explanation actually given by LYB except the quote that LYB hinted ZYM may choose to retire.

[Linus]

尊重张洁雯的抉择

杨维/赵婷婷的失守牵涉到另外一个人，她就是张洁雯。杨维/张洁雯原本是当今世界羽坛实力数一数二的一对选手，不过，在今年初，中国队女双教练组决定将其拆对，杨维改 与赵婷婷配对。张洁雯在短暂地与高崚配对后“落单”了，至今未被安排女双新搭档，而她在本次比赛中仅参加了 混双项目，在第2轮中莫名其妙地输给了队友于洋/何汉斌后，她自己赛后委屈地躲在卫生间里失声痛哭，而这也惊动了广州市体育局局长刘江南，后者专门致电慰问 张洁雯，并表示支持她的一切决定。

在谈到张洁雯的去留问题时，李永波首先解释了为何作出拆对的决定。“杨维/张洁雯曾夺得奥运会女双冠军，但是，4年是一个周期，每名运动员的状态都可能发生变化，我们教练组对此十分 清楚。”李永波以两届奥运会混双冠军张军/高崚被拆对为例，“由于伤病的影响，张洁雯在年初的状态并不好，她与杨维曾输给日本队组合和中国台北队组合 ，所以教练组决定让杨维与赵婷婷尝试配对。我们发现，她们基本上没有输球，在世界大赛中也只是输给队友，而 这次算是两人第一次对外输球。”

李永波强调：“张洁雯本身很努力，现在她暂时没有拍档，而参加北京奥运会的中国队女双组合最多是3对，目前 的世界排名显示，高崚/黄穗、杨维/赵婷婷和杜靖/于洋是相对最稳定的。”李永波暗示已经没有位置留给第4对组合，“张洁雯如果觉得自己没有竞争力，觉得参加 北京奥运会的机会不大，像陈宏那样选择返回地方队的话，我们一定会尊重运动员的抉择。”

中国队女双组主教练田秉毅对此问题避而不谈。而杨维则表示，这只是教练组的决定，并非如外界所说的自己与张 洁雯关系不好，“我和阿雯现在还是很好的朋友。”对于与赵婷婷的配对，杨维透露：“以我的感觉来说，应该是 固定了。”至于张洁雯目前所处的尴尬局面，杨维露出无奈的神色，她意味深长地说：“我已经尽力 了。”

Source (http://sports.sohu.com/20070716/n251068088.shtml)

To be fair to non-Chinese reader, I would try to translate the above article as follows: (The article was quoted from Guangzhou Daily)

- start of translation -

"The lost of YW/ZTT (in China Master) involved another person: ZJW. YW/ZJW used to be one of the top pairing in the world. But at the start of 2007, the WD coach decided to split them up and pair up YW with ZTT. After a short spell partnering GL, ZJW has since not been paired with any new partner in WD, thus she only entered into XD in the China Master.

After the unexpected loss to teammate YY/HHB in the second round, ZJW hide in the washroom and cried. This incident has alerted Guangzhou City Sports Minister's Liu Jian Nan, who called and consoled ZJW, and expressed his support in whatever decision she may take.

Talking about if ZJW would stay or leave the national team, LYB said 'YW/ZJW was the Olympic WD champion. But 4 years is a cycle for any athelete and their condition may change. The coaching team is well aware of this.' LYB also cited the spliting up of Olympic XD champion GL/ZJ as an example. 'Due to injury, ZJW was not in top condition at the start of 2007, she and YW lost to Japan WD and Taiwan WD. Therefore the coaching team decided to try out YW/ZTT pairing. We found that, this new team has not lost in tournament. In the World Championship, they only lost to fellow team-mates. Hence this (refer to China Master) is the first time this pairing lost to a foreign team.'

LYB stressed, 'ZJW is very hardworking even though she does not have a partner now. Beijing Olympic only allows 3 WD teams to participate, and base on current world ranking, GL/HS, YW/ZTT and DJ/YY are relatively stable.' LYB hinted that there is no chance for a 4th team. 'If ZJW felt that she was not competitive enough and has little chance to take part in Beijing Olympic, and wanted to be like CH who chose to return to provicial team, we would definitely respect her decision.'

The headcoach of WD, TBY, chose not to comment on this matter. YW said that this is a decision (to split up with ZJW) of the coaching team and not because she has a bad relationship with ZJW. 'ZJW and I are still good friend,' said YW, 'my feeling is my pairing with ZTT is now permanent.' 'As regard the current situation of ZJW,' YW expressed helplessly, 'I have tried my very best.'"

- end of translation -

[robin7]

Thanks Robin.

The correct translation for that should be:

'Revealed: The 21-points scoring system was an factor that may lead to the retirement of an Olympic Champion'

If you read the full article, the main content was not from LYB's but the reporter own's reserch. So there is no explanation actually given by LYB except the quote that LYB hinted ZYM may choose to retire.

Not to argue.:) I never commented anything on this article but probably just the title. Seems like u r the one who put words into my mouth.:)

Btw, good translation but some correction:
'Revealed: The 21-point scoring system was a factor that may lead to the retirement of the Olympic Champion':)

[Linus]

My bad grammer! Thanks Robin.

[the_way]

Well, Liyongbo should retire zhang ning because shes too old. LOL.

Actually liyongbo realised that the new batch of chinese ladies in WS are not strong. Look at Zhulin, LuLan, Wang Lin, Wang Yihan, Jang Yianjiao. Though they win tournament sometimes, but they will lose sometimes to players like tracey hallem, wong mew choo, pihongyan, xuhuaiwen, wangchen, yip pui yin and cheng sao hsieh. If XieXingfang were to play without zhangning, i think she wont make it to final in big tournament because she knows she has great great responsibility. Everyone knows that her mental game is not so good in crucial stages.

With ZhouMi representing Hk now, I think Liyongbo is in fear. If Mia were to make a comeback, I think LYB is going to have sleepless night. :cool:

[Just4Kicks]

For those interested about zhang jiewen's sad fate..check the latest forums on the 07 china open..

i was almost in tears when i read the latest posts..

it is sad especialy when you are still on your top of the game yet your coach thinks otherwise..

[cooler]

I agree. Zhang/Yang is the only pair that able to beat Gao/Huang consistently during their prime.Wake up, LYB is only interested beating other non-chinese pairs.
:rolleyes:

[cooler]

Since most of u guys aren't a coach :D, u can't understand what and why of LYB's doing. As stated before, Zhang jiewen's health(ie power and consistency) is dropping or questionable. LYB can't afford to bet only on the wei/jiewen pair for the 08 OG. LYB is jigging the WD. LYB moved ting ting around from XD (wif XXZ, then zhengbo) to now WD. Yes ZTT lacks refinement of jiewen but ZTT has more smashing power, and has 1 year to be refined for 08 OG. lYB fixed MD. LYB fixed XD. LD is #1 if he want to. WD is the least important event so LYB is fixing it last while all u nay sayer thinks china wall is crashing down LOL

I bet LYB mind set is the 08 OG. He is testing and refining his team now in preparation for that. I bet he would give up 07 WC fame and glory for a sweep in 08 OG. U can laugh at LYB if u want, his renovation WD team still made it to the final. Just look at MAL, the famed MD pairs are still IN THE REPAIR SHOP. Outlook for INA's specialty, the MD, looks like the weakest of the all event.

[cooler]

Well, Liyongbo should retire zhang ning because shes too old. LOL.

Actually liyongbo realised that the new batch of chinese ladies in WS are not strong. Look at Zhulin, LuLan, Wang Lin, Wang Yihan, Jang Yianjiao. Though they win tournament sometimes, but they will lose sometimes to players like tracey hallem, wong mew choo, pihongyan, xuhuaiwen, wangchen, yip pui yin and cheng sao hsieh. If XieXingfang were to play without zhangning, i think she wont make it to final in big tournament because she knows she has great great responsibility. Everyone knows that her mental game is not so good in crucial stages.

With ZhouMi representing Hk now, I think Liyongbo is in fear. If Mia were to make a comeback, I think LYB is going to have sleepless night. :cool:
lotta if's there LOL
u r too short sighted.
LYB has like 8 different WS guns to work with, plus 12 months to calibrate them.

tracey hallem, wong mew choo, pihongyan, xuhuaiwen, wangchen??
LOL, in 2008, they'll be 1 year older and 1 year slower LOL
These girls are on the downward trend while the chinese newbies are on a upward trend.
stop looking at your feet when walking, u might bump your head into a light pole LOL

[OneToughBirdie]

Not sure how many WS players can participate in OLY08. If 3 or even 4 are allowed, the gold-silver-bronze are for CHN WS players to lose...I can't see anyone threatening them, esp with homecourt advantage. If only ZM can play OLY (I don't think so) therefore can provide some challenge or the draw pits CHN vrs CHN in early round, then CHN sweep may be denied, otherwise my bet in gold-silver and maybe bronze for CHN. Too powerful.

[Linus]

Not sure how many WS players can participate in OLY08.

Each NOC can only have maximum 3 players/pairs in each disciplines of badminton.

See the official qualification rules here:
http://www.internationalbadminton.org/PDF%20-%20Regulations/112%20OLYMPIC%20QUALIFYING%20REGULATIONS.pdf

[OneToughBirdie]

Each NOC can only have maximum 3 players/pairs in each disciplines of badminton.

See the official qualification rules here:
http://www.internationalbadminton.org/PDF%20-%20Regulations/112%20OLYMPIC%20QUALIFYING%20REGULATIONS.pdf
Thanks for infor. In that case, gold, silver or sweep is a CHN possibility. I sympatize with the 4th, 5th, etc. ranked CHN WS players that could not make the CHN OLY team, as they are good enough to make the top team in any other countries. If ZN, XXF or Zhu Lin make the team, then Lu Lan, JYJ, WL, WYH, etc etc would be left out...thats is a pity. My bet, gold, silver and depending on the draw, bronze to CHN...simply too powerful.

[Linus]

Quite true. But they ought to half-expected that when they decided to join the national team set up that you have not fight to win a spot.

Most of the names you mentioned would probably be around the next Olympic, with the exception of ZN. So they do have another chance to try their hand to become an Olympic Champion.

You would also pitty those who excel in the 70-80s when badminton was not even a recongnised Olympic discipline. Even the like of Yang Yang, who won the 1988 Seoul Olympic badminton event when it was only an exhibition game - he is not considered as an outright Olympic champion.

But that is life - sometimes you just have to be at the right place and at the right time.

[robin7]

Actually liyongbo realised that the new batch of chinese ladies in WS are not strong. Look at Zhulin, LuLan, Wang Lin, Wang Yihan, Jang Yianjiao. Though they win tournament sometimes, but they will lose sometimes to players like tracey hallem, wong mew choo, pihongyan, xuhuaiwen, wangchen, yip pui yin and cheng sao hsieh. If XieXingfang were to play without zhangning, i think she wont make it to final in big tournament because she knows she has great great responsibility. Everyone knows that her mental game is not so good in crucial stages.

I agreed. I can't imagine CHN WS without ZN in OG08. Suppose LYB decides to send XXF, ZL & LL/JYJ without ZN, XXF will be under tremendous pressure because she's the greatest hope of CHN WS and might not even reach the final. I guess that's the main reason why LYB's still keeping ZN for "double safety". XXF, to me, is still not very stable despite beating ZN twice in last two WC.


lotta if's there LOL
u r too short sighted.
LYB has like 8 different WS guns to work with, plus 12 months to calibrate them.
tracey hallem, wong mew choo, pihongyan, xuhuaiwen, wangchen??
LOL, in 2008, they'll be 1 year older and 1 year slower LOL
These girls are on the downward trend while the chinese newbies are on a upward trend.
stop looking at your feet when walking, u might bump your head into a light pole LOL

Remember how CH, LD & BCL fared in OG04.
LYB doesn't want to repeat it by sending XXF, ZL & LL/JYJ in OG08 without ZN.
ZL, LL, JYJ, WL & WYH are good players but still far from XXF & ZN. I believe that they can make an impact in 2012 but not 2008 yet.

[cooler]

Not sure how many WS players can participate in OLY08. If 3 or even 4 are allowed, the gold-silver-bronze are for CHN WS players to lose...I can't see anyone threatening them, esp with homecourt advantage. If only ZM can play OLY (I don't think so) therefore can provide some challenge or the draw pits CHN vrs CHN in early round, then CHN sweep may be denied, otherwise my bet in gold-silver and maybe bronze for CHN. Too powerful.
3 max, that's why chen hong feel left out.
All i'm saying earlier was that LYB has more WS candidates to pick from than bullets in a revolver. The WS line of succession is prolly the strongest for china than any other china national badminton group.

[Just4Kicks]

A little off topic here now aren't we?

[OneToughBirdie]

Quite true. But they ought to half-expected that when they decided to join the national team set up that you have not fight to win a spot.

Most of the names you mentioned would probably be around the next Olympic, with the exception of ZN. So they do have another chance to try their hand to become an Olympic Champion.

You would also pitty those who excel in the 70-80s when badminton was not even a recongnised Olympic discipline. Even the like of Yang Yang, who won the 1988 Seoul Olympic badminton event when it was only an exhibition game - he is not considered as an outright Olympic champion.

But that is life - sometimes you just have to be at the right place and at the right time.

Bet you ZN will be there in OLY08 and would even win....my guess!!

[Linus]

Sure, ZN will be in OG08. When I say "the next Olympic" in my post, I mean the Olympic in 2012. Sorry for confusion.

[OneToughBirdie]

Sure, ZN will be in OG08. When I say "the next Olympic" in my post, I mean the Olympic in 2012. Sorry for confusion.
after I replied to your post, I realized you meant 2012 OLY. In 2012 OLY, even XXF won't be there, probably married and making babies....hahaha!!! Hey, the current youngsters may not make it either, cos' another batch of hopeful will be there to challenge for the 3 precious spots. Making CHN WS trio and keeping the spot barring injury is probably more tougher than winning an Open event...just look at JYJ, where is she? Any countries, she will be #1 seed but lost among ZL, LL, and later on WYH, WL.

[Linus]

No problem. Anyway as Just4Kicks said, we are off topic. We should be discussing about ZJW not ZN!

[Krisna]

Singapore will take in Zhang Jiewen if LYB doesn't want her... Singapore will take any good players from anywhere...

[tommy_bun]

Agree, Zhang Jiewen is the best. I hope LYB could change his mind. Or maybe Zhang Jiewen/Zhang Dan?

Hidup Zhang jw/Zhang dan...Really hope they can be partners

[Just4Kicks]

I watched the Philippine Open this afternoon. Zhao Ting Ting and Yang Wei lost to Polii and Greysia...

Surely there is no chemistry between the two right now... twas a close match but you can see Yang Wei's frustration over Zhao Ting Ting. Being fair to Zhao Ting Ting..she produced some brilliant shots but she made mistakes on the most crucial points.. she threw away 2 match points during the first set which is supposed to be an easy kill... and you can clearly see the two complaining about each other to their coach ( you should see Zhao making face to Yang Wei and vice versa) You really cant hide Yang Wei's frustration.. its kinda weird that they have been playing for months now but they still seem to have some rotation trouble.

Wake up LYB... bring back Zhang Jiewen!!!!

[LazyBuddy]

its kinda weird that they have been playing for months now but they still seem to have some rotation trouble.



Somehow, I think this more due to the styles of each one, and seems they just not meant to be a good match. I think the original intention to break Zhang/Yang was to extend their careers. However, seems it's not working on Yang at this moment. :cool:

[Kioskla]

Zhao always have problem with her partner. Like when she paired with Wei Yili or any XD partner. Her game is not good, a lot of work to her partner. I don't understand why she's still in the national team while Zhang Jiewen is out!

[cooler]

I watched the Philippine Open this afternoon. Zhao Ting Ting and Yang Wei lost to Polii and Greysia...

Surely there is no chemistry between the two right now... twas a close match but you can see Yang Wei's frustration over Zhao Ting Ting. Being fair to Zhao Ting Ting..she produced some brilliant shots but she made mistakes on the most crucial points.. she threw away 2 match points during the first set which is supposed to be an easy kill... and you can clearly see the two complaining about each other to their coach ( you should see Zhao making face to Yang Wei and vice versa) You really cant hide Yang Wei's frustration.. its kinda weird that they have been playing for months now but they still seem to have some rotation trouble.

Wake up LYB... bring back Zhang Jiewen!!!!i notice that before too, ZTT does occasionally makes brilliant shots but she also makes mistakes on suppose to be easy shots too. It would be hard for ZW to adapt since she had been playing with ZJ for so long.

[armortecfans]

In my opinion, Li Yongbo indeed should pair Yang Wei with Zhang Jiewen again. I have seen Zhao Tingting played, and mostly, they win either because the opponent is just weak/easy or Yang Wei played much brilliantly.
I do not underestimate Zhao Tingting, but I agree that Yang Wei looks a bit frustrated when she is teamed up with Zhao Tingting.

[sumbadder]

Zhao at the net can be absolutely brilliant cause she's surprisingly fast and has great touch. But, she makes a lot of easy errors and lacks the all-around game that ZJW and YW had that could pull them out of any game. To watch YW and Zhao play together, you can see that yang wei is often picking up the slack of ting ting because she gets over-zealous in her net approaches or she makes a horrendous shot from the back (her drops from the back are usually ridiculously high above the net). They definitely are not a good match in terms of playing style.

[flymordecai]

ZTT always makes errors on crucial points. She never disappoints when it comes to hitting an error on a game/match point. She makes tons of unforced errors and has bad footwork. It's true that she makes very nice shots sometimes, but she's not as consistent as ZJW or YW.

[dranmo]

HAA~ I am agree many of you that ZTT makes a lot of mistake. Any ZTT fans here? give us your opinion on ZTT game so the opinion wont be one sided.

my opinion on ZTT? watched her for too long and never really like how she play. she always seems to be the weaker link and its good that she broke up with Wei Yili. LYB maybe now will bring back the old team instead.

[flymordecai]

I'm a ZTT fan. I think I became a fan of her because the first ever badminton game I watched was her WC 2003 match against Robertson/Emms with CQQ.

I've been hoping she would gain some success because she's always been in one of the lower tiers in Chinese WD. I thought her partnership with Yang Wei would perhaps give her a chance to win titles, but she still suffers the same problems as back then. Her error prone game is not suited for the 21pt rally scoring system.

[tommy_bun]

Im Zhao's fan.I agree that she makes a lot of errors but,I think she still has chance of being winner in any tournament.

[lina_ngchiuhwa]

Yes, I also read about that too, even Mew Choo said they are only good friend. We also haven't seen any picture about this couple in public so may be they are really just a good friend :confused:

But on the 14th or 15th China Press paper wrote, someone spot they were holdings their hands together. They denied it maybe it is because they don't want to get all people's attention and both of them would be likely the press or other people to focus on the game. If it's true, i wish them luck... :D

[lina_ngchiuhwa]

according from china badminton discussion form, LYB has mentioned that ZJW is about to retired soon, such action makes me feel that he is tryin to either force or persuade her to retired.

Oh... Pity for Zhang Jiewen...:(:(:(

[lina_ngchiuhwa]

I watched the Philippine Open this afternoon. Zhao Ting Ting and Yang Wei lost to Polii and Greysia...

Surely there is no chemistry between the two right now... twas a close match but you can see Yang Wei's frustration over Zhao Ting Ting. Being fair to Zhao Ting Ting..she produced some brilliant shots but she made mistakes on the most crucial points.. she threw away 2 match points during the first set which is supposed to be an easy kill... and you can clearly see the two complaining about each other to their coach ( you should see Zhao making face to Yang Wei and vice versa) You really cant hide Yang Wei's frustration.. its kinda weird that they have been playing for months now but they still seem to have some rotation trouble.

Wake up LYB... bring back Zhang Jiewen!!!!

In my own opinions, i don't think so that Li Yongbo will bring back Zhang Jiewen to pair up with Yang Wei again. Instead, i think LYB will break up the pairing of Yang Wei/Zhao Tingting if they fared in others tournament again. We'll wait and see YW/ZTT performance in the upcoming WC...

[lina_ngchiuhwa]

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In my own opinions, i don't think so that Li Yongbo will bring back Zhang Jiewen to pair up with Yang Wei again. Instead, i think LYB will break up the pairing of Yang Wei/Zhao Tingting if they fared in others tournament again. We'll wait and see YW/ZTT performance in the upcoming WC...

Sorry,sorry.:o:o:o The word fared should be "if they show the same things again in the upcoming tournaments". Sorry...

[tommy_bun]

[/b]

In my own opinions, i don't think so that Li Yongbo will bring back Zhang Jiewen to pair up with Yang Wei again. Instead, i think LYB will break up the pairing of Yang Wei/Zhao Tingting if they fared in others tournament again. We'll wait and see YW/ZTT performance in the upcoming WC...

Agree with you....

[kwun]

as oppose to some forum members, the team/LYB do want ZJW to stay. according to Chinese media, ZJW was reported to have submitted her resignation letter to the team during the PO. but the resignation was rejected.

if LYB or the team wants her to leave, then they will be happy to accept her resignation. perhaps the team knows that she is just going through some tough time and they know that she still have the fire in her to pick it up and play good badminton again.

only time will tell what will happen next.

[huangkwokhau]

as oppose to some forum members, the team/LYB do want ZJW to stay. according to Chinese media, ZJW was reported to have submitted her resignation letter to the team during the PO. but the resignation was rejected.

if LYB or the team wants her to leave, then they will be happy to accept her resignation. perhaps the team knows that she is just going through some tough time and they know that she still have the fire in her to pick it up and play good badminton again.

only time will tell what will happen next.

Thats very interesting...it can be a tactic so ZYW could not leave China. They have seen that Chen Hong and Zhou Mi could spoil China team in international tournaments.
If ZYW is not happy..it will be hard to get a good result from her....
Hopefully CHN team will take care of her....

[LazyBuddy]

[/B]

In my own opinions, i don't think so that Li Yongbo will bring back Zhang Jiewen to pair up with Yang Wei again. Instead, i think LYB will break up the pairing of Yang Wei/Zhao Tingting if they fared in others tournament again. We'll wait and see YW/ZTT performance in the upcoming WC...

I think that's more like to be the solution. The reason that LYB to break the Zhang/Yang pair back then, was to extend their career, while helping the young players to gain experience. Even if the pairs don't work well, there's no point to take a step backward, just to focus on the short term goal. CHN still have enough pairs to caputure the WD title if they want to, and the longer term goal of developing more younger pairs is much more important. :rolleyes:

[kwun]

Thats very interesting...it can be a tactic so ZYW could not leave China. They have seen that Chen Hong and Zhou Mi could spoil China team in international tournaments.
If ZYW is not happy..it will be hard to get a good result from her....
Hopefully CHN team will take care of her....

it is clear that ZJW is not happy. but the real question is why.

from previous media reports, she was said to have lost focus and goal as she has already won all that she can win in badminton, Olympics, WC, etc. if that's indeed her issue then some team psychiatrist needs to speak to her and see if they can whip up her spirit again. everyone are different, Gao Ling has won more than ZJW and she is still playing strong, so if ZJW loses focus, she needs to get some help.

there is no doubt that ZJW is an excellent asset to the Chinese team as she is still relatively young and she can play excellent badminton.

[LazyBuddy]

Thats very interesting...it can be a tactic so ZYW could not leave China. They have seen that Chen Hong and Zhou Mi could spoil China team in international tournaments.


It's possible, but I assume it's hardly the case, or at least, not the main reason. They can simply refuse to issue her the passport, and she can't travel right away. :rolleyes:

Also, it's easier for single player to jump the boat, as they are on themselves. For double players, it's much hard to find the right partner. Sure, ZJW is still one of the best talent. However, that does not mean you give her anyone, they can immediately produce positive result in big events. :rolleyes:

[LazyBuddy]

it is clear that ZJW is not happy. but the real question is why.

from previous media reports, she was said to have lost focus and goal as she has already won all that she can win in badminton, Olympics, WC, etc.

I reserve my trust to the media reports, regardless from CHN or other regions. We all know the reporters sometimes make up stories or mis-mistand the real issue. Their job is to draw enough attention from the readers, and to be as early as possible. Therefore, as long as the news is shocking enough, they will publish it. Whether the quote is true, they don't have the time (might never even want to) to double confirm it.

The earlier reports indicates ZJW is losing interests. Then, the recent CHN Master reports say ZJW was upset once she lost the MXD (ok, whether being ordered or not). So, 1 article is about "hey, I don't care", then another is like "damn, i want to win". So, regardless true or not, or she changed her mind, I don't think we can use such and such as very accurate proof to "analyze this". :rolleyes:

[huangkwokhau]

I reserve my trust to the media reports, regardless from CHN or other regions. We all know the reporters sometimes make up stories or mis-mistand the real issue. Their job is to draw enough attention from the readers, and to be as early as possible. Therefore, as long as the news is shocking enough, they will publish it. Whether the quote is true, they don't have the time (might never even want to) to double confirm it.

The earlier reports indicates ZJW is losing interests. Then, the recent CHN Master reports say ZJW was upset once she lost the MXD (ok, whether being ordered or not). So, 1 article is about "hey, I don't care", then another is like "damn, i want to win". So, regardless true or not, or she changed her mind, I don't think we can use such and such as very accurate proof to "analyze this". :rolleyes:
In this case..if I meet ZJW in person , I will ask her directly....I just hope for the best for her career....I guess it is tough for us to know the truth....:rolleyes:

[LazyBuddy]

In this case..if I meet ZJW in person , I will ask her directly....I just hope for the best for her career....I guess it is tough for us to know the truth....:rolleyes:

That will solve the mystery.

No offense to against ZJW, but I don't know we can really "analyze" based on 1 sided story, especially if this girl is under a lot of stress and still emotional. ;) Anyway, best luck to ZJW! :p

[sumbadder]

while we can't trust all these reports, he's some info from CHN news to consider: During the PO she put in her resignation request to the National Sports bureaucracy but it was rejected (supposedly right after Yang Wei/Zhao TT lost). Since then, she has returned to Beijing to condition and practice since she's been "out of it" since the Swiss Open in the odd hope that she and Yang Wei will be re-paired as despite not having competed for 5 months they are still ranked 3rd in the world.

Those are the most solid things that we can take away. Anything else would just be speculation unless it came from LYB or her own mouth.

[Just4Kicks]

I am hoping they will be paired together again. Where did you get the news from sumbadder?

[kennethkoc]

If that's true, i am wondering if Li Yong Bo would reconsider bring the solid and powerful Tandem of Zhang Jiewen and Yang Wei Back. Besides they are still currently World No. 3. I know that they can prove more in the arena of WD. Besides there experience is already well handed. They have already numerous big titles such as Olympic and World Championship. =-)

[Just4Kicks]

Any more insider news about Zhang Jiewen?

She has her own website but its in chinese. I think the link is in the badzine site. Together with Gao Ling's and Yang Wei's too.

[pjswift]

while we can't trust all these reports, he's some info from CHN news to consider: During the PO she put in her resignation request to the National Sports bureaucracy but it was rejected (supposedly right after Yang Wei/Zhao TT lost). Since then, she has returned to Beijing to condition and practice since she's been "out of it" since the Swiss Open in the odd hope that she and Yang Wei will be re-paired as despite not having competed for 5 months they are still ranked 3rd in the world.

Those are the most solid things that we can take away. Anything else would just be speculation unless it came from LYB or her own mouth.
Rejecting ZJW's resignation is a smart decision.It makes her feel needed,yet she may just be a reserve who will see no important action but most certainly, she does not have the freedom to join a competitor, whether as a coach, player or sparring partner. In other words, she is paid to be in cold storage.
I am neutral to ZTT although I would say she excels as a shotmaker but repels as a match winner.What I have observed , however, is how many partners she's had and how she outlasts them...QQ, ZJ,ZB(presently sustained by motherhen GL)..she's like a black widow...Does LYB have a soft spot for her or has she a godfather...?

[LazyBuddy]

Rejecting ZJW's resignation is a smart decision.It makes her feel needed,yet she may just be a reserve who will see no important action but most certainly, she does not have the freedom to join a competitor, whether as a coach, player or sparring partner. In other words, she is paid to be in cold storage.
I am neutral to ZTT although I would say she excels as a shotmaker but repels as a match winner.What I have observed , however, is how many partners she's had and how she outlasts them...QQ, ZJ,ZB(presently sustained by motherhen GL)..she's like a black widow...Does LYB have a soft spot for her or has she a godfather...?

With big thunderstorm outside, sitting in the kitchen nothing to do. Some strange ideas just pop into my mind: :rolleyes:

The rejection of JW's resignation might be a strategy to "push her to the edge". Earlier, JW said that she does not have the spirit to fight anymore, as she got everything a player can dream about already. So, push her back against the wall, and let her fight her way through again. Now, you don't have a choice, fight or die.:rolleyes:

Regarding to ZTT, I think she's kinda player can be really good, but just lack of something (skill, mental or even luck) to be on the top. Think about all the NBA great without the rings, such as Stockton, Malone, Barkley, Ewing, etc.

[pjswift]

With big thunderstorm outside, sitting in the kitchen nothing to do. Some strange ideas just pop into my mind: :rolleyes:

The rejection of JW's resignation might be a strategy to "push her to the edge". Earlier, JW said that she does not have the spirit to fight anymore, as she got everything a player can dream about already. So, push her back against the wall, and let her fight her way through again. Now, you don't have a choice, fight or die.:rolleyes:

Regarding to ZTT, I think she's kinda player can be really good, but just lack of something (skill, mental or even luck) to be on the top. Think about all the NBA great without the rings, such as Stockton, Malone, Barkley, Ewing, etc.
Like your ideas more than mine. Hope it turns out well for JW. She deserves better.

[ants]

With big thunderstorm outside, sitting in the kitchen nothing to do. Some strange ideas just pop into my mind: :rolleyes:

The rejection of JW's resignation might be a strategy to "push her to the edge". Earlier, JW said that she does not have the spirit to fight anymore, as she got everything a player can dream about already. So, push her back against the wall, and let her fight her way through again. Now, you don't have a choice, fight or die.:rolleyes:

Regarding to ZTT, I think she's kinda player can be really good, but just lack of something (skill, mental or even luck) to be on the top. Think about all the NBA great without the rings, such as Stockton, Malone, Barkley, Ewing, etc.

Very thoughtful of you thinking about her situation now.

[Just4Kicks]

Well If what they say on the other thread is true.. Check the thread at wold championships 2007. The ibf released a third phase legibility document saying Yang And Zhang have confirmed in joining the world championships!!!!!!

Yang Wei and Zhang Jiewen will be reunited again for world championships... i hope they win. Even though i am also a Gao ling /Huang Sui fan too.

Im very very happy.

They say that women's doubles are very boring because it is always more of an all China affair, but i think they should pay more attention to the great rallies that often happen and not the country. I think they will enjoy the game more.

[Just4Kicks]

Yes its confirmed

ZJW is back with YW.. i hope they wont meet GL and HS at a very early stage though...would love to see them battle for the final.

the two other pairs doesnt interest me much ZYW and WY... oh and YU is now paired with ZTT .. quite interesting.. wonder what happened to DU. If DU is not injured, ZTT must really have connections up there. The DU and YU tandem is quite solid too -though i dont really fancy their style of play, i find them too cocky. Its my own opinion though...

[tommy_bun]

Yes its confirmed

The DU and YU tandem is quite solid too -though i dont really fancy their style of play, i find them too cocky. Its my own opinion though...

Not to me.......

[mikefly]

ZJW and YW won the WD final, they both play very well. I can see them play the game while smilling, i think they dun have any burden/pressure hunting them, hence even thought, most of the time CL and WS were ahead, but they still can chase back the score, and winning the final. Another thing is that, Jie Wen defense was improved, as she can replied most of WS smashes, which are very sharp and heavy, cause i heard WS scream out loud when she smashed, YW front net play is very good also. Well done Zhang Jie Wen and Yang Wei. We will see what will LYB say...:)...I saw ZTT, with the :( face all the time when ZJW and YW keep winning points.

[flymordecai]

I wonder what will happen to ZTT. She definitely needs to improve if she wants to be in the top 5 WD, and she needs a partner.

[Just4Kicks]

Congratulations to ZJW... hope this WC07 title is reason enough for LYB to bring them back together, I just hope they can continue giving good results so that they can string many points for olympic qualification.

[tommy_bun]

HMNnn ZTT is in danger if Zhang JW gets back together with Yang W,And maybe Wei/Zhang YW is in danger too,Perhaps LYB will send GL/HS,YW/ZJW amd Du J/Yu Y for OG.

Anyway Congrats to YANG W/ZHANG JW,Hope they can be like they were in 2004-2005 when they won so many titles.Really looking forward for their next matches against Gao/Huang

[mikefly]

Yes they are smilling with each other during every matches in World Championship, i was remember when they played at All England 2007, they din smile at all, its like they having some kind of pressure that pull them back, hence they lost All Englan to YaWen/WTL. but now, Yang Wei and Jie Wen is like entered to different stage, they no longer nervous when opponent aheading them, instead they play very patient, steady and not losing concerntration. At last they pull GAo LIn/Wang Shui off and win the final.
Good Luck, Jie Wen, we are always support you as always.

[ants]

I'm happy that Zhang Jiewen and Yang Wei won! :) Gao ling played well too.. but i think she is not as good as before.. but she is still a great player. Imagine playing in both MXD and WD.

[Syaoran_Style]

Yang wei looked totally different with Zhang Jiewen than with Zhao Tingting.
You could see her smiling to jiewen, talking to her, giving her advices
Things she didn't do with Zhao Tingting !
My favourite pair is now back on top !! GONG XI GONG XI =)

[LI De Quan]

Finally she proved to LYB that YANG/ZHANG is the best pair of China again!!
congrats!!!!!!!!!!

[mikefly]

From article (http://2008.qq.com/a/20070820/000005.htm)

但中国队总教练李永波 (http://2008.qq.com/liyongbo/)(Qzone) (http://user.qzone.qq.com/95002036)今天表示，杨维、张洁雯在本次世锦赛上的对手都不是太强，因此，她们的夺冠并不意味着这 对组合在世锦赛后还能续存。

mean that, LYB said even tought they ZJW/YW won the WC, its deosnt mean that they will still be pairing, as he said, this year WC no much of strong opponents, winning the WD title is expected, so do ZJW/YW, no need to be shock. They are still be splitting, i guess, YW still will be pair with ZTT. :(

[zqloy]

From article (http://2008.qq.com/a/20070820/000005.htm)

但中国队总教练李永波 (http://2008.qq.com/liyongbo/)(Qzone) (http://user.qzone.qq.com/95002036)今天表示，杨维、张洁雯在本次世锦赛上的对手都不是太强，因此，她们的夺冠并不意味着这 对组合在世锦赛后还能续存。

mean that, LYB said even tought they ZJW/YW won the WC, its deosnt mean that they will still be pairing, as he said, this year WC no much of strong opponents, winning the WD title is expected, so do ZJW/YW, no need to be shock. They are still be splitting, i guess, YW still will be pair with ZTT. :(

Dont think he will still spilt the pair. He is just being the normal self, talking rubbish to save face. No strong opponent? Maybe he expect them to beat GeFei/GuJun 1st :p

[Syaoran_Style]

yeah i don't think so too .. didn't he say before the tournament, Zhang Jiewen was supposed to be paired again with yang wei because of the wrong combination with zhao tingting ??

[mikefly]

From article (http://2008.qq.com/a/20070820/000005.htm)

但中国队总教练李永波 (http://2008.qq.com/liyongbo/)(Qzone) (http://user.qzone.qq.com/95002036)今天表示，杨维、张洁雯在本次世锦赛上的对手都不是太强，因此，她们的夺冠并不意味着这 对组合在世锦赛后还能续存。



Does LYB meant, ZhangYaWen/WTT(seed 1), and Gao Lin/HSui (seed 2) are not a strong pair? What a confuse statement? Then which pair is the stronger pair in China team now?

[abedeng]

The stronger pair, is Yang Wei/Zhang Jiewen, that's who. Zhang Jiewen was so sharp this World Championships, she is the best WD player for the tournament in my book. And Yang Wei really looked much happier with Zhang Jiewen around.

Gao Ling might be tired played XD and WD, but even in q-finals, she and Huang Sui had no business being extended by the ENG pair. It needed a red card (though possibly deserved) for Donna Kellogg to break the momentum in the 3rd game.

Zhang Yawen/Wei Yili are good, but still are not patient enough.

[kennethkoc]

Zhang Jiewen's Latest Blog:

World Championship has ended. I’m back in Beijing, finally. It had been very tiring. The 19th of August is the day I play in the World Championship finals with Yang Wei after five months we’ve split up. Honestly, I’ve never thought that this is a special day. Probably since I was too busy thinking of how I was to play this final match good to let my supporters and fans see a professional match. Somehow to me, any of the matches I play these days could be the last match I’ll play so I really hope to give those who like and support me a good memory of my matches. Winning and losing is no longer my first priority in a match. The most important thing for me now is to play a match happily and to enjoy the happiness it brings to everyone.
As I remember, all of us were asked to fill in a form before this World Champs. One of the questions in it was “What is your aim and ambition in badminton?” My answer was “To enjoy the game.” At that moment, the girl who was giving out the papers was stunned with my answer; because all the others wrote their hopes of getting a gold medal or to remain undefeated and it was rather unbelievable for me to have written what I did. She asked me shockingly, “Is this your aim and ambition?” I answered her with full determination, “For me at this stage, it is.”
Many of those who see me playing have been telling me that my expression while playing is different from last time. Actually, I can feel it myself. I think compare to the games before, I am more confident, more determined and I’m enjoying the game even more now. Remembering what Yang Wei told me last time, she said, “You are always playing every game for the audience. You are supposed to play it for yourself; not them.” I’m finally doing it now. Guess it’s a lot more enjoyable and pressure-free. Supposedly, it is very important to enjoy the process in one’s life. Many people do understand this saying, but how many of them can actually do it? When you’ve really did it, everything will be different, and you’ll feel a lot happier than before.
I hope that all of you can also enjoy your lives like how I do, appreciate what you have now; and most of all- cherish the memories that your life gives you. As long as you take everything with a joyful heart, you will see that there are actually many interesting things around you. Perhaps you might be facing a great obstacle now, but you should know that not everyone will have to face it in their lives, and in another word, not everyone can get over with it. The most interesting thing in life is to continue challenging. Let’s all work together. I hope that all my friends and all those who like to see me playing will live everyday with an open and happy mind.
I’ve been to Malaysia for quite a few days and I hadn’t been checking my blog lately because it is too costly to use the internet there. I was too busy unpacking my things yesterday since I’ve just arrived back so I came online today seeing I’m free now. Oh how touched I was to see the messages. Many of you have been supporting me, caring for me, cheering for me, inspiring me and visiting my blog to drop me a message. I even heard that there were people who cried the moment they saw Yang Wei and me winning the gold medal (that’s what my mum said).
I would like to thank all of you sincerely. I will do my best; and for now when I still have the chance to play, I will try my best to play each and every game well, and bring everyone an enjoyable match. Wishing all those who support me all the best and be happy always!!

-- i really hope that this message by Zhang Jiewen inspire everyone. Imagine, she plays her game as if was her last and enjoy each moment of it.. How touching... =-) i really think that the World Championship is really meant for her. A good person always been blessed by God =-)

[mikefly]

Dont think he will still spilt the pair. He is just being the normal self, talking rubbish to save face. No strong opponent? Maybe he expect them to beat GeFei/GuJun 1st :p

ZJW/YW once again will play in India Open, I think YES, LYB just want to save face then only talked like tat, maybe LYB boss also think ZJW/YW should be together, gave LYB pressure.

[abedeng]

LYB was just being himself, his public comments are meant to keep all his players on their toes. Even the most consistent ones like Lin Dan.

Of course, we don't know what's going to happen behind the scenes.

[OneToughBirdie]

Zhang Jiewen's Latest Blog:

World Championship has ended. I’m back in Beijing, finally. It had been very tiring. The 19th of August is the day I play in the World Championship finals with Yang Wei after five months we’ve split up. Honestly, I’ve never thought that this is a special day. Probably since I was too busy thinking of how I was to play this final match good to let my supporters and fans see a professional match. Somehow to me, any of the matches I play these days could be the last match I’ll play so I really hope to give those who like and support me a good memory of my matches. Winning and losing is no longer my first priority in a match. The most important thing for me now is to play a match happily and to enjoy the happiness it brings to everyone.
As I remember, all of us were asked to fill in a form before this World Champs. One of the questions in it was “What is your aim and ambition in badminton?” My answer was “To enjoy the game.” At that moment, the girl who was giving out the papers was stunned with my answer; because all the others wrote their hopes of getting a gold medal or to remain undefeated and it was rather unbelievable for me to have written what I did. She asked me shockingly, “Is this your aim and ambition?” I answered her with full determination, “For me at this stage, it is.”
Many of those who see me playing have been telling me that my expression while playing is different from last time. Actually, I can feel it myself. I think compare to the games before, I am more confident, more determined and I’m enjoying the game even more now. Remembering what Yang Wei told me last time, she said, “You are always playing every game for the audience. You are supposed to play it for yourself; not them.” I’m finally doing it now. Guess it’s a lot more enjoyable and pressure-free. Supposedly, it is very important to enjoy the process in one’s life. Many people do understand this saying, but how many of them can actually do it? When you’ve really did it, everything will be different, and you’ll feel a lot happier than before.
I hope that all of you can also enjoy your lives like how I do, appreciate what you have now; and most of all- cherish the memories that your life gives you. As long as you take everything with a joyful heart, you will see that there are actually many interesting things around you. Perhaps you might be facing a great obstacle now, but you should know that not everyone will have to face it in their lives, and in another word, not everyone can get over with it. The most interesting thing in life is to continue challenging. Let’s all work together. I hope that all my friends and all those who like to see me playing will live everyday with an open and happy mind.
I’ve been to Malaysia for quite a few days and I hadn’t been checking my blog lately because it is too costly to use the internet there. I was too busy unpacking my things yesterday since I’ve just arrived back so I came online today seeing I’m free now. Oh how touched I was to see the messages. Many of you have been supporting me, caring for me, cheering for me, inspiring me and visiting my blog to drop me a message. I even heard that there were people who cried the moment they saw Yang Wei and me winning the gold medal (that’s what my mum said).
I would like to thank all of you sincerely. I will do my best; and for now when I still have the chance to play, I will try my best to play each and every game well, and bring everyone an enjoyable match. Wishing all those who support me all the best and be happy always!!

-- i really hope that this message by Zhang Jiewen inspire everyone. Imagine, she plays her game as if was her last and enjoy each moment of it.. How touching... =-) i really think that the World Championship is really meant for her. A good person always been blessed by God =-)

Great words..."play each game as if it was the last game played and enjoy the game", "play for yourself", "play your best"...of advice to us all and YKH and LCW.

[mikefly]

http://2008.qq.com/a/20070827/000077.htm



女双不会拆对

在世锦赛后，拿下女双冠军的杨维 (http://2008.qq.com/yangwei/)(Qzone) (http://user.qzone.qq.com/95002040)张洁雯被爆出可能拆对的消息，理由是她们俩这对组合在世锦赛之前，本就是由于组委会的失 误所造成的。但对于这一传言，昨天在接受记者采访时，李永波做出了否认，他很肯定地对记者表示，世锦赛冠军 的成绩已经证明了杨维张洁雯 (http://2008.qq.com/zhangjiewen/)(Qzone) (http://user.qzone.qq.com/95002041)组合的可行性，在将来一段时间内，教练组都会把这对搭档沿用下去。

“从这次世锦赛的结果来看，杨维张洁雯之间的组合还是相当不错的，我们并没有任何拆对的打算，而且之前和杨 维配对的赵婷婷俩人感觉也不搭，所以搭档的效果并不理想，我想，会在接下去一直沿用杨维张洁雯这对世锦赛冠 军组合。”


LYB decided to let YW and ZJW reunite, he admited that ZTT is not suit to pair with YW. YW and ZJW will be reunite to play coming games. Hope they will gather more point to make it qaulify to next year Olimpic.

[kwun]

http://2008.qq.com/a/20070827/000077.htm



LYB decided to let YW and ZJW reunite, he admited that ZTT is not suit to pair with YW. YW and ZJW will be reunite to play coming games. Hope they will gather more point to make it qaulify to next year Olimpic.

excellent news. i hope they will work hard and be the 2nd WD to win 2 consecutive olympics.

[tommy_bun]

http://2008.qq.com/a/20070827/000077.htm



LYB decided to let YW and ZJW reunite, he admited that ZTT is not suit to pair with YW. YW and ZJW will be reunite to play coming games. Hope they will gather more point to make it qaulify to next year Olimpic.

Seems like ZTT is just a substitute,she played with Du Jing when Yu Yang was injured then partnered with Yang Wei when YW was splitted wif ZJW and Now She plays wif Yu Yang when Du Jing is injured,so kesian

[Kkamshi]

Seems like ZTT is just a substitute,she played with Du Jing when Yu Yang was injured then partnered with Yang Wei when YW was splitted wif ZJW and Now She plays wif Yu Yang when Du Jing is injured,so kesian

I think Du Jing/ Yu Yang level is not far from WYL/ZTT. WYL/ZTT is senior than DJ/YY right. Anyone know where WYL/ZTT pair now

[kennethkoc]

WYL is currently partnering Zhang Yawen, which currently they are world no. 1 as of the moment, and ZTT is currently partnering Yu Yang since Du Jing is injured. hope this answer your questions Kkamshi.

[tommy_bun]

I think Du Jing/ Yu Yang level is not far from WYL/ZTT. WYL/ZTT is senior than DJ/YY right. Anyone know where WYL/ZTT pair now

I think Du/Yu is the same level with WYL/ZTT or WYL/ZYW,they're still young I believe they can make more achievement in the future.They're very good.
Btw Really wonder who will be ZTT's partner when Du Jing is back to Yu Yang??

[mikefly]

In Japan Super Series Open, YW/ZJW beat ZTT/YY with 21-17 and second set 21-5. Where there is a moment, second set YW/ZJW lead with 11-0. We'll see how LYB review on ZJW and ZTT performance.

[tommy_bun]

In Japan Super Series Open, YW/ZJW beat ZTT/YY with 21-17 and second set 21-5. Where there is a moment, second set YW/ZJW lead with 11-0. We'll see how LYB review on ZJW and ZTT performance.
I think they will be back as a pair...they have delivered good results in their 2 last performances.
I should say congratulation

[markache@hotmai]

Zhang and yang got WD gold medal again.
It was said,Zhang and Yang was splitted months ago, just because they did not perform their job well in the 05~06 after they got gold medal in 04 Olympics.

[suetyan]

If like that, is it meant that YW/ZJW must win every titles for their games? They can't even be the runner up?? I very scare that once they become the runner up, LYB might want to split them :(

[mikefly]

Just imagine, if Zhang Jie Wen really resigned, or if Tu Jing wasnt need to do surgery, and ZTT still pair with YW...China WD will lost the strongest/stronger pair. Lucky u LYB, u should be thankful that u are so lucky.

[kennethkoc]

u know one of the thing i think make YW/ ZJW successful this past two tournaments is there cheerfulness/ jolyness while playing on court. Especially ZJW, she looks very ease and relax during critical moments and most of time while playing, and we could also see that her partner, YW is very happi with there partnership. They laugh at each other, share some tips and make great combination. I think wen ur less pressure and enjoying the game, the more u win.....(especially wen ur already skillfull and talented player).

[mikefly]

u know one of the thing i think make YW/ ZJW successful this past two tournaments is there cheerfulness/ jolyness while playing on court. Especially ZJW, she looks very ease and relax during critical moments and most of time while playing, and we could also see that her partner, YW is very happi with there partnership. They laugh at each other, share some tips and make great combination. I think wen ur less pressure and enjoying the game, the more u win.....(especially wen ur already skillfull and talented player).

Totally agreed.

[tommy_bun]

Zhang and yang got WD gold medal again.
It was said,Zhang and Yang was splitted months ago, just because they did not perform their job well in the 05~06 after they got gold medal in 04 Olympics.
I dont think they performed bad in 05,they were not good only in the early 06,but now they have made a great comeback
Yang/Zhang rock...