A Big Slap To Liyongbo

[the_way]

Natsir/Vita had demolished the chinese in their home ground. Nobody would dare to say china will lose in WD. To take one set from them is already consired a huge achievement.

This is not a win by luck or some tricks. In fact, they beat the full strength chinese ladies. The chinese pairs are totally a standard above the rest. In fact...before china masters...everyone predicted they will make clean sweep in the semis I can expect upset to happen in WS because there are some chinese players representing france, german and also mew choo, tracey, yip pui yin had created some upsets before this.

From the past records...I could hardly recall when a non chinese ladies pair win a big tournament/open. The 90s was gefei and gu jun total domination followed up by gaoling and huang sui. Later on, yang wei and zhang jiewen challenged gao/huang. Not just that, for the past 5 yrs...there are so many new strong ladies doubles from china...weiyili, zhaotingting, du jing , yu yang, and etc....in fact...it is considered a big achievement if u can steal a set from the chinese ladies...just like what ra kyung min and her partner had done. But i dont think ra kyung min had won ladies double event in the present of all top ranked double pairs from china.

So, INA win is considered a huge huge success...in front of china crowd and with the present of 5 formidable pairs from china...congrats to the INA pair. I think the fact that they played in mixed doubles have made them very strong in WD. They dont fear chinese ladies smashes. When u play mixed, natsir and vita gotta have solid defense. Imagine how hardcore is zhang jun, nathan robertson smashes...so..if they are able to defend those smashes...to retrieve huang sui or zhang jiewen smashes are just a piec of cake.

[Contactjj]

Why is it a slap at LYB? Sports is sports. Better players win and others loose. Everyone has a chance to become better and to win next time.

Is it appropriate to bring in personal hatred? To me these kind of comments really are flies in the otherwise taste soup. Please, don't spoil the game.

[Krisna]

Why is it a slap at LYB? Sports is sports. Better players win and others loose. Everyone has a chance to become better and to win next time.

Is it appropriate to bring in personal hatred? To me these kind of comments really are flies in the otherwise taste soup. Please, don't spoil the game.

Dude, Li Yongbo has a certain negative reputation among many BC members [and even my badminton buddies outside BC]... :p Many of us think of him as arrogant, boisterous, unsportsmanlike, blablabla... [built over years by his actions such as: threatening LCW that he will break LCW's bones, faking injury withdrawals so his players can rest etc...]

I myself have never liked him since I first saw him in 1985...

[Speed & Power]

Its just a one off...Well the Indon pair played well but in badminton/sports you win sometimes and lose sometimes, it is not a "huge" failure to the Chinese, they played well too but just lost to the better pair of the day.

A "slap on LiYongbo's face" would mean that no Chinese WD pair have been winning championships for a long long time....and you know that is not the case. So please think twice before posting such comments

[the_way]

hmmm...well...i am just telling what i like. it is indeed more painful than a slap for liyongbo. i bet many of you out there agree with what i have said. ;). Liyongbo is very rude and arrogant most of the time. So, I am considered very polite for not using foul language when refering to him.

[taufik-ist]

Its just a one off...Well the Indon pair played well but in badminton/sports you win sometimes and lose sometimes, it is not a "huge" failure to the Chinese, they played well too but just lost to the better pair of the day.

A "slap on LiYongbo's face" would mean that no Chinese WD pair have been winning championships for a long long time....and you know that is not the case. So please think twice before posting such comments

2 top china pairs lost to new ina pair (unseeded Wd) in front of their home spectators, :p
you think it's not a big slap to LYB :D :D

[Contactjj]

Dude, Li Yongbo has a certain negative reputation among many BC members... :p I myself have never liked him since I first saw him in 1985...

I know what you talking about. I have been following this forum for over 2 years and followed tournaments since 1980s. No, it is not an execuseable reason.

What is the reason we oppose some deeds LYB has done? We are holding the ruler for fairness that should apply to anyone including ourself.

[huangkwokhau]

actually INA in Indo open got a bigger slap as no titles for INA.
4 titles is considered " BIG SUCCESS" for LYB....I do not like LYB also as I met him in HK years ago...it is true that he lookded down on other contries' players, praising chinese players all the time ( it is okay, patriotism).
I do not agree that this is big slap for LYB at all....he is caught off guard that WD is gone which has been a quarantee of CHN WD titles for many years...I, even now still hard to believe that INA WD won, let alone with new pair and in china....it is huge success, but not a slap on LYB...

[taufik-ist]

actually INA in Indo open got a bigger slap as no titles for INA.
4 titles is considered " BIG SUCCESS" for LYB....I do not like LYB also as I met him in HK years ago...it is true that he lookded down on other contries' players, praising chinese players all the time ( it is okay, patriotism).
I do not agree that this is big slap for LYB at all....he is caught off guard that WD is gone which has been a quarantee of CHN WD titles for many years...I, even now still hard to believe that INA WD won, let alone with new pair and in china....it is huge success, but not a slap on LYB...

but it ruined LYB's perfect result

[huangkwokhau]

I know what you talking about. I have been following this forum for over 2 years and followed tournaments since 1980s. No, it is not an execuseable reason.

What is the reason we oppose some deeds LYB has done? We are holding the ruler for fairness that should apply to anyone including ourself.

I am sure which in some cases, even reported in HK newspaper that LYB tends to talk bad things about other countries' players which is not good ( calling them stupid, etc)....thats why he is arrogant but at the same time, CHN is very strong time so whatever he says or criticise something can be true so I do wnat to advise LYB that it is good to keep your mouth shut....
when I met him before, he did not look at your eyes when shaking hands, etc....this is a signal that he has big head....again, he does the best for CHN so no one can sya anything..he delivers the result....I am not defending him but this is fair to say about LYB

[kwun]

now let's look at this objectively, here is a WD team that has been bulldozing over every single international tournament for don't know how many decades. now they tripped a little and then some of you are celebrating over it? i think that's rather childish behavior. i suggest ppl look at the big picture. unless INA starts winning tournament over tournament in WD, i wouldn't celebrate too quickly.

[huangkwokhau]

now let's look at this objectively, here is a WD team that has been bulldozing over every single international tournament for don't know how many decades. now they tripped a little and then some of you are celebrating over it? i think that's rather childish behavior. i suggest ppl look at the big picture. unless INA starts winning tournament over tournament in WD, i wouldn't celebrate too quickly.
For INA fans, it is like a rain drop in desert.....as you know that INA especially in ladies department, hardly has any teeth/claws to beat any players ...even Thai/Taipei or singapore challenge INA in the last 4 yrs...INA women has been at the very bottom...so it is understandble that INA fans celebrate this victory, from new pair to win in China's soil is huge..again as I said taht this is not a big slap at all for LYB....

[the_way]

hahahaaha..come on kwun....you are saying that ppl who brag abt natsir and vita victory as childish? the WD in china masters features chinese armada led by gao ling and huang sui. I dont have to list down their success...in fact the gold silver and bronze in the recent world championship, all england, olympic are all belong to the chinese players who played in this china masters. So. to demolish 2 chinese pairs in front of a stadium with almost full capacity in CHINA is also childish to you?

What about when ppl brag about the victory of tony gunawan and howard bach after the WC in anaheim? Do you call them as childish?

[xofrevlis]

now let's look at this objectively, here is a WD team that has been bulldozing over every single international tournament for don't know how many decades. now they tripped a little and then some of you are celebrating over it? i think that's rather childish behavior. i suggest ppl look at the big picture. unless INA starts winning tournament over tournament in WD, i wouldn't celebrate too quickly.

I think it's something worth celebrating, albeit not for China supporters like myself. If this turns out to be a freak-occurance blip then there may not be anything else to celebrate about for a long time as far as WD is concerned. The Indonesian girls did what was required of them and in China's own back yard too, so I think the victory is very creditable.

Many people dislike LYB, me included so it's no real surprise that here are people out there who want to rub it in his face. I won't say anything about their behaviour in that regard but if they want to stoop to the same level as LYB then that's their business.

Anyway, congratulations Lilyana and Vita, you did magnificently. If something like this doesn't happen again for some time, I'd just like to point out now that I don't think one-shot wonders get enough credit. However brief and one-shot it is, they still had to beat their opponents like anyone else. Though the fans of later generations may forget their achievements, they'll be etched into the history books for eternity.

[sumbadder]

hahahaaha..come on kwun....you are saying that ppl who brag abt natsir and vita victory as childish? the WD in china masters features chinese armada led by gao ling and huang sui. I dont have to list down their success...in fact the gold silver and bronze in the recent world championship, all england, olympic are all belong to the chinese players who played in this china masters. So. to demolish 2 chinese pairs in front of a stadium with almost full capacity in CHINA is also childish to you?

What about when ppl brag about the victory of tony gunawan and howard bach after the WC in anaheim? Do you call them as childish?
I don't think kwun actually means it's childish to herald Vita/Natsir's win. They played brilliantly, moving the bird and themselves with more pace than YW/ZTT were used to. I think he's just saying that given the fact that this was just a single win amongst the hundreds of consistent wins that China WD's has achieved, to praise the INA women as the be all end all of LYB's female army is a little short-sighted. I'd say that they will become a very strong pair in the WD realm and will challenge the CHN team, but I think them winning will still be the exception rather than the rule.

As an aside, ZTT has some ridiculous net-skills. She's oddly quick for someone of her size and has awesome control of her racket. Too bad she's not as good of an all-around player like YW so she often leaves YW running and picking up slack.

[kwun]

no. i don't mean celebrating is childish. sorry if my msg came across that way. but i mean laughing at LYB for one lost of his team while they normally win every other tournament is childish.

if you read my msg in the final thread, you will see that i was actually cheering for Butet and Vita. i think they totally deserve the win.

[viver]

At the end of the day, this is only beneficial to badminton as a whole. Normally people do not want to watch ladies doubles when the semis to finals are usually occupied by Chinese players. Having teams from other countries competing for the title makes the matches more interesting.

Congratulations to the Indonesian ladies doubles team. Wish they can get more often to the later stages and make the matches more exciting.

Is this a slap to LYB? Maybe if one like to think so. We'll see what actions he will adopt for the tournaments to come.

[markhamplayer]

I know there are lot of people out there want to slap LYB's face but let face it, they are only humans & no human beings are unbeatable. LYB has an attitude but this guy acheives a lot, as a player & as a coach. He works very hard to keep his ass on this "spot" as an head coach of team China otherwise he would have been "butted" out for a long time & nobody cares if he is being slapped in the face or not.
I hope that the Chinese WD team members do not have to write "regreting letters" since they don't have nothing to regret about. The only regretable people should be the coaches themselves.
On the other hand, the INA coaches did a beautiful job this time to acheive this "breakthrough" since they have been studying the Chinese for a long time.
I'm thinking it may be the Korean be the one on next "breakthrough".

[huangkwokhau]

I know there are lot of people out there want to slap LYB's face but let face it, they are only humans & no human beings are unbeatable. LYB has an attitude but this guy acheives a lot, as a player & as a coach. He works very hard to keep his ass on this "spot" as an head coach of team China otherwise he would have been "butted" out for a long time & nobody cares if he is being slapped in the face or not.
I hope that the Chinese WD team members do not have to write "regreting letters" since they don't have nothing to regret about. The only regretable people should be the coaches themselves.
On the other hand, the INA coaches did a beautiful job this time to acheive this "breakthrough" since they have been studying the Chinese for a long time.
I'm thinking it may be the Korean be the one on next "breakthrough".


I posted previously, the secret is having more tomboys ( more muscles) to compete chinese competitively....:D last time, INA WD won is 2001 Indonesia open, Vita marissa/Deyana Lomban....since then INA ladies has been down to the bottom of the sea....so INA fans have a right to celebrate as we will not know when INA will win again...LYB will have a big meeting soon and plan strategy to best these tomboys in future tounaments.....

It indeed makes the sport more exciting...

[hollywood_t]

now let's look at this objectively, here is a WD team that has been bulldozing over every single international tournament for don't know how many decades. now they tripped a little and then some of you are celebrating over it? i think that's rather childish behavior. i suggest ppl look at the big picture. unless INA starts winning tournament over tournament in WD, i wouldn't celebrate too quickly.

Yes easy folks, this is the first step to longer term success nothing more. Relish the moment but time to move on to the next goal. At least that is how I hope the Indonesian ladies are taking it and using it as positive feedback versus a sense of our job is done.

It seems the same debate of acknowlege the achievment vs. pushing hard for the next victory has visited BC forum before ala Malaysian doubles and KKK-TBH. So let's leave the debate and just hope for more excellent badminton from a potentially new set of stars.

[Speed & Power]

2 top china pairs lost to new ina pair (unseeded Wd) in front of their home spectators, :p
you think it's not a big slap to LYB :D :D


Nope...i don't think its a BIG slap to LiYongBo b'coz overall he still secured 4 titles out of 5. By the way, LiYongBo slapped whoever the Indon coach is in the Indonesian Open 07 by securing 3 titles infront of capacity Indon crowd and placing a finalist in every event. LiYongBo's charges(seeded 5th) even beat the Indon Mixed Doubles who are the top seeds in the finals too, convincingly!

I don't know what's wrong with some of you ppl being so childish over things which happens all the time in sports(favorites falls to underdogs)....I don't remember a thread like this being posted when the Indonesian Open just concluded(something like "Big Slap" on Joko Suprianto's face).

[Jasonvan]

I posted previously, the secret is having more tomboys ( more muscles) to compete chinese competitively....:D last time, INA WD won is 2001 Indonesia open, Vita marissa/Deyana Lomban....since then INA ladies has been down to the bottom of the sea....so INA fans have a right to celebrate as we will not know when INA will win again...LYB will have a big meeting soon and plan strategy to best these tomboys in future tounaments.....

It indeed makes the sport more exciting...

I am against this tomboy way of playing... why can't they field players like the russian tennis players... cute and powerful like Maria Sharapova, next time I see tomboys playing I think I'll have to watch via live scoring instead of watching on tv :D

[vching]

i dont think its a big slap.... its like a light pinch to remind the arrogant LYB that he is not all supreme...

would like the indo players to start winning more... kind of boring to see china vs china again and again in the women's department, makes many people lose interest (bad for the sport)...

[Jasonvan]

Nope...i don't think its a BIG slap to LiYongBo b'coz overall he still secured 4 titles out of 5. By the way, LiYongBo slapped whoever the Indon coach is in the Indonesian Open 07 by securing 3 titles infront of capacity Indon crowd and placing a finalist in every event. LiYongBo's charges(seeded 5th) even beat the Indon Mixed Doubles who are the top seeds in the finals too, convincingly!

I don't know what's wrong with some of you ppl being so childish over things which happens all the time in sports(favorites falls to underdogs)....I don't remember a thread like this being posted when the Indonesian Open just concluded(something like "Big Slap" on Joko Suprianto's face).

Totally agree with you, winning 4 out of 5 titles would be a pretty good achievement in any sort of tournment! We could say we disagree with LYB's way of conducting his business but than he does bring results which is why he is where he is today....

[dannyang]

Natsir/Vita had demolished the chinese in their home ground. Nobody would dare to say china will lose in WD. To take one set from them is already consired a huge achievement.

This is not a win by luck or some tricks. In fact, they beat the full strength chinese ladies. The chinese pairs are totally a standard above the rest. In fact...before china masters...everyone predicted they will make clean sweep in the semis I can expect upset to happen in WS because there are some chinese players representing france, german and also mew choo, tracey, yip pui yin had created some upsets before this.

From the past records...I could hardly recall when a non chinese ladies pair win a big tournament/open. The 90s was gefei and gu jun total domination followed up by gaoling and huang sui. Later on, yang wei and zhang jiewen challenged gao/huang. Not just that, for the past 5 yrs...there are so many new strong ladies doubles from china...weiyili, zhaotingting, du jing , yu yang, and etc....in fact...it is considered a big achievement if u can steal a set from the chinese ladies...just like what ra kyung min and her partner had done. But i dont think ra kyung min had won ladies double event in the present of all top ranked double pairs from china.

So, INA win is considered a huge huge success...in front of china crowd and with the present of 5 formidable pairs from china...congrats to the INA pair. I think the fact that they played in mixed doubles have made them very strong in WD. They dont fear chinese ladies smashes. When u play mixed, natsir and vita gotta have solid defense. Imagine how hardcore is zhang jun, nathan robertson smashes...so..if they are able to defend those smashes...to retrieve huang sui or zhang jiewen smashes are just a piec of cake.

totally disagree. if winning 4 titles out of 5 is a big slap on LYB's face, we can conclude Japenese losing Japan Open 06 titles in front of home crowds is a big big slap on Japenese coach's face.

[cooler]

now let's look at this objectively, here is a WD team that has been bulldozing over every single international tournament for don't know how many decades. now they tripped a little and then some of you are celebrating over it? i think that's rather childish behavior. i suggest ppl look at the big picture. unless INA starts winning tournament over tournament in WD, i wouldn't celebrate too quickly.in any bone dry desert, a rare rain storm will release full bloom of desert flowers (and weeds) because the next rain is prolly decades away;)

It's not that long ago that tbh/kkk are the next savior.
When simon santoso beat an injured LD, simon is the next china wall breaker. Things haven't change much:D

[abedeng]

Nevertheless, this rare win gives hope not just for INA, but for the rest to try achieve the same result. We always thought of the WD event as a Chinese Great Wall reinforced with thick concrete barriers, the fact that the INA WD has poked holes into the wall gives rise to possibilities.

The fact that the 2 INA girls had very strong mental capacity helped in this victory. Maybe now, PBSI will relook into their women's training programme and return to the glory of the 80s and 90s.

[cooler]

Nevertheless, this rare win gives hope not just for INA, but for the rest to try achieve the same result. We always thought of the WD event as a Chinese Great Wall reinforced with thick concrete barriers, the fact that the INA WD has poked holes into the wall gives rise to possibilities.

The fact that the 2 INA girls had very strong mental capacity helped in this victory. Maybe now, PBSI will relook into their women's training programme and return to the glory of the 80s and 90s.

The china wall is currently under 'renovation' :D
INA and MAL fans shouldn't get their hope too high as any not too far away future disappointment could make u feel really really depress:p

[cooler]

Natsir/Vita had demolished the chinese in their home ground. Nobody would dare to say china will lose in WD. To take one set from them is already consired a huge achievement.


3 games of
12-21 21-15 21-16.
Demolished? LOL

[Joyous]

Why do ppl rejoice at others' downfall?? Glad to read one or two sensible & impartial comments posted by adults - get me.

The recent Chn Master was one of the best tournaments in that there were reps from Eng, Mas, Indo in 4 of the final matches which says that home ground advantage plays only a small part as we have seen so many all Chn finals outside China. All the winners deserved an applaud incl. XXF. As Gillian Clark rightly pointed out, China players used to be accused of things, but it isn't so as she observes.

[pjswift]

Natsir/Vita had demolished the chinese in their home ground. Nobody would dare to say china will lose in WD. To take one set from them is already consired a huge achievement.

This is not a win by luck or some tricks. In fact, they beat the full strength chinese ladies. The chinese pairs are totally a standard above the rest. In fact...before china masters...everyone predicted they will make clean sweep in the semis I can expect upset to happen in WS because there are some chinese players representing france, german and also mew choo, tracey, yip pui yin had created some upsets before this.

From the past records...I could hardly recall when a non chinese ladies pair win a big tournament/open. The 90s was gefei and gu jun total domination followed up by gaoling and huang sui. Later on, yang wei and zhang jiewen challenged gao/huang. Not just that, for the past 5 yrs...there are so many new strong ladies doubles from china...weiyili, zhaotingting, du jing , yu yang, and etc....in fact...it is considered a big achievement if u can steal a set from the chinese ladies...just like what ra kyung min and her partner had done. But i dont think ra kyung min had won ladies double event in the present of all top ranked double pairs from china.

So, INA win is considered a huge huge success...in front of china crowd and with the present of 5 formidable pairs from china...congrats to the INA pair. I think the fact that they played in mixed doubles have made them very strong in WD. They dont fear chinese ladies smashes. When u play mixed, natsir and vita gotta have solid defense. Imagine how hardcore is zhang jun, nathan robertson smashes...so..if they are able to defend those smashes...to retrieve huang sui or zhang jiewen smashes are just a piec of cake.
Totally agree. A big slap is a perfect description in terms of the effects felt. LYB will feel temporary pain and shame which is what a slap delivers. But make no mistake;he will make sure it does not happen again.
Meanwhile, congrats to INA WD scratch pair for a magnificent victory ,breaking down CHN's last fort of WDs. And to achieve it in front of the home crowd, that's style added to substance. Truly a feat to celebrate and savour.Enjoy.

[taufik-ist]

3 games of
12-21 21-15 21-16.
Demolished? LOL

1st : testing the court and windraft
2st,3rd set : get used to court and windraft and started to 'strom' china :D :p

[huangkwokhau]

I am against this tomboy way of playing... why can't they field players like the russian tennis players... cute and powerful like Maria Sharapova, next time I see tomboys playing I think I'll have to watch via live scoring instead of watching on tv :D


It takes time to go salon, etc....:D:D you are so demanding....you want it good pair and pretty..:D:D:D

[cooler]

1st : testing the court and windraft
2st,3rd set : get used to court and windraft and started to 'strom' china :D :pnice try. In double, INA were clearing too much becos they're being owned in game 1. Dont give me that crap about testing the winddraft in doubles. Maybe of course u play doubles differently, like clearalot LOL

[pjswift]

Why do ppl rejoice at others' downfall?? Glad to read one or two sensible & impartial comments posted by adults - get me.

The recent Chn Master was one of the best tournaments in that there were reps from Eng, Mas, Indo in 4 of the final matches which says that home ground advantage plays only a small part as we have seen so many all Chn finals outside China. All the winners deserved an applaud incl. XXF. As Gillian Clark rightly pointed out, China players used to be accused of things, but it isn't so as she observes.
Who is Gillian Clark? As a veteran commentator, she still needs continuing education from Morten Frost on how to commentate objectively.In the SC07,MF had to diplomatically cut short her regular CHN grovelling.Hope MF can commentate more often because his comments are objective, diplomatic yet effective, and most of all ( to a kindergarten level like me anyway) educational.
Gillian Clark badly needs a refresher course.

[huangkwokhau]

Lets see if Butet/vita can repeat their performance again IN PO! If they can clear all the way to semifinal ( which is very possible), they will meet ZTT/YW again...since they play in neutral place...lets see who will excel...Of course I hope that INA can win again...as we need more WD from Korea/ENG/INA to challenge CHN WD dominance....
Lets not debate about this thread....good for INA to win..again it is not big slap for LYB....lets move on....

[taufik-ist]

Lets see if Butet/vita can repeat their performance again IN PO! If they can clear all the way to semifinal ( which is very possible), they will meet ZTT/YW again...since they play in neutral place...lets see who will excel...Of course I hope that INA can win again...as we need more WD from Korea/ENG/INA to challenge CHN WD dominance....
Lets not debate about this thread....good for INA to win..again it is not big slap for LYB....lets move on....

just woke up (9.53 am, drinking a milk)

ya let's move on..

vita/lilyana should be aware now, i believe LYB has done an 'autopsy' on vita/lilyana to find their weakness.

ok it's not a big slap, just a little slap maybe :D

[Krisna]

After reading everybody's posts, I agree that Lili-Vita's win is not a big enough slap on LYB. INA and the rest of the world have to win many more titles in many tournaments to give him multiple slap-slap-slap... :p Next big chance to slap-slap-slap is to prevent LYB from winning anything at this year's KL World Championship! ;)

If China sweeps all 5 titles in the World Championship... then it is also fair to say that LYB slaps all the rest of the world for not being able to compete at a high enough level... :o:o:o:o:o

[shanisen3200]

In my opinion, lady who play in Mix double before or simultaneously has a little bit advantage in playing WD but not always.

I 've a feeling tend to love this new WD INA pair.ah........

[cooler]

After reading everybody's posts, I agree that Lili-Vita's win is not a big enough slap on LYB. INA and the rest of the world have to win many more titles in many tournaments to give him multiple slap-slap-slap... :p Next big chance to slap-slap-slap is to prevent LYB from winning anything at this year's KL World Championship! ;)

If China sweeps all 5 titles in the World Championship... then it is also fair to say that LYB slaps all the rest of the world for not being able to compete at a high enough level... :o:o:o:o:oleave me out of this slaping bandwagon. I prefer spanking:p

[Krisna]

leave me out of this slaping bandwagon. I prefer spanking:p

Hahahaha... kinky... ;) Maybe LYB will actually like that... *sorry kwun and the other moderators, please don't ban us* :p

[zqloy]

leave me out of this slaping bandwagon. I prefer spanking:p

Lol.... u mean spanking LYB or spanking the rest of the countries? :p

[cooler]

If China sweeps all 5 titles in the World Championship... then it is also fair to say that LYB slaps all the rest of the world for not being able to compete at a high enough level... :o:o:o:o:o
i mean above. I'm not involve in your scheme.:D

[Krisna]

The rest of the world have had enough spanking... We've been good boys and girls, don't spank us anymore... :crying::crying:

[cooler]

LYB i think was occupied transforming fu/cai into a lethal weapon. Then LD lost desire to win that needed fixing. Now that those matters are more or less have been addressed, LYB will find the time to fix the WD. Some of u guys are overjoyed a bit too much too soon:p Even the most reliable toyota corolla needed a tune up once in a while.

[zqloy]

LYB i think was occupied transforming fu/cai into a lethal weapon. Then LD lost desire to win that needed fixing. Now that those matters are more or less have been addressed, LYB will find the time to fix the WD. Some of u guys are overjoyed a bit too much too soon:p Even the most reliable toyota corolla needed a tune up once in a while.

Of course the fans have every reason to be happy, how boring it would be if everytime its china vs china?

[Krisna]

We admit we are overjoyed! :D And we won't apologize for it! :D

Viva Lili-Vita! :cool:

[badminto_expert]

INA Always prevent china to clean sweep in SemiFinal and Final.

I think last time Taufik said: LD arrogant. It is true because I saw from china tv that LYB said: will be clean sweep for this china master and nobody can avoid that.

And When China meet Sweden at Sudirman Cup last time, LYB Said: China will win 5:0 if meet any country..and he said: only china player is intelligent... the rest is stupid players... Very Arrogant.

Actually, I don't like this china head coach. any comment?



Of course the fans have every reason to be happy, how boring it would be if everytime its china vs china?

[Joyous]

We admit we are overjoyed! :D And we won't apologize for it! :D

Viva Lili-Vita! :cool:

It's okay & normal to be overjoyed with this unexpected win. At least you are not overjoyed at others' downfall. Good for you Krisna and keep some your crazy comments rolling bcoz they do make me laugh when you do it in good spirits.

[Linus]

I think last time Taufik said: LD arrogant. It is true because I saw from china tv that LYB said: will be clean sweep for this china master and nobody can avoid that. And When China meet Sweden at Sudirman Cup last time, LYB Said: China will win 5:0 if meet any country..and he said: only china player is intelligent... the rest is stupid players... Very Arrogant.


You seem to suggest that LD is arrogant because....LYB is arrogant?

Sorry but I do not follow your logic. :confused:

[cooler]

INA Always prevent china to clean sweep in SemiFinal and Final.

I think last time Taufik said: LD arrogant. It is true because I saw from china tv that LYB said: will be clean sweep for this china master and nobody can avoid that.

And When China meet Sweden at Sudirman Cup last time, LYB Said: China will win 5:0 if meet any country..and he said: only china player is intelligent... the rest is stupid players... Very Arrogant.

Actually, I don't like this china head coach. any comment?
how do you correlate LYB arroganceness to LD's arroganceness? I can't compute. Does this math extends from LD to XXF's arrogancemenss too? please help...

[sumbadder]

Can't wait to see the rematch in PO b/t these two pairs in the semis. Then we can see if the so-called b***h slapping will happen again haha :p this thread is dirty lol

[Angelou]

O goodness, the amount of bias in this thread is unbelievable and especially the title. It's brings so much negativity and distracts people from the good stuff. Anyways ! If I made this thread I would title it "Congratulations to Lili and Vita", Instead of "LiYongBo has cooties". Or something a little more objective like "China Almost had a clean sweep Except the women's Doubles". Besides the "Li Yong Bo" bash, flame, and drama is getting pretty old. Then again, an objective canadian (me) wouldn't have the same feelings of subjective supporters.

O and I like XXFs Hair XD, then again she still looked pretty with long hair ^^.

And man did anybody notice that draft. It was like auto win if you were against the wind. And auto lose if you were with it. (figuratively speaking)

[the_way]

I will be leaving china today's night after watching china masters. Next stop, Kuala Lumpur in a month time....:cool::cool::cool:. In china daily paper today, liyongbo was crticised for failing to secure an all china final in WD. I asked one of my chinese friend to translate for me. The article also include a dejected face of liyongbo when china ladies were gunned down by Vita/Natsir. It looks like the entire china was worried about the loss in their home soil.

[Krisna]

It's okay & normal to be overjoyed with this unexpected win. At least you are not overjoyed at others' downfall. Good for you Krisna and keep some your crazy comments rolling bcoz they do make me laugh when you do it in good spirits.

Hey, thanks Joyous! I am usually joyous when following live badminton. More relaxing than my work, ha ha ha... But you shall see me make negative comments/criticism from time to time. Usually regarding Indonesia's badminton management [PBSI/Indonesian Badminton Association policies] and ahem ahem... Li Yongbo. :p

[jasonmarc]

2 top china pairs lost to new ina pair (unseeded Wd) in front of their home spectators, :p
you think it's not a big slap to LYB :D :D

I think it much more heavier than a BIG SLAP....but SLAPS.....:D:D:D as LYB have always overly proud of his WD pairs.....and always look down the others.....just hope this will happen more offen comon....INA, Eng, Den, Kor, Jap,...and of course MAS WD pairs ...move on SLAP him more.....:D:D:D

[jasonmarc]

leave me out of this slaping bandwagon. I prefer spanking:p

Who U prefer to spank....LYB..:eek:....or..:p

[Krisna]

O goodness, the amount of bias in this thread is unbelievable and especially the title. It's brings so much negativity and distracts people from the good stuff. Anyways ! If I made this thread I would title it "Congratulations to Lili and Vita", Instead of "LiYongBo has cooties". Or something a little more objective like "China Almost had a clean sweep Except the women's Doubles". Besides the "Li Yong Bo" bash, flame, and drama is getting pretty old. Then again, an objective canadian (me) wouldn't have the same feelings of subjective supporters.

There are usually a lot of controversial comments being thrown here and there if the topic is Li Yongbo... and to some extent Taufik Hidayat... :p

And as you also observe, I also begin to notice that many BC fans from Canada [and other countries where badminton is not a HUGE thing] ...often are surprised by ultra-nationalistic views of the INA, MAS, and CHN fans here at BC forums... Ha ha ha...

Ever since I became aware of the badminton world in the 1970s and 1980s, the ultra-nationalism has always been there... ;) Ultra-nationalism is by nature... very biased...

In the past, China have tough players, but they were not controversial. Li Yongbo seem to love being the lightning rod for controversy... His actions and comments probably were made because he craved attention. Well, he got it from us... :p Ha ha ha...

[Tjun Tjun]

Who U prefer to spank....LYB..:eek:....or..:p


I think I go for the extreme ..... breaking LYB's legs! I'm joking of course, he, he, he .......;):D:D:D

[pjswift]

O goodness, the amount of bias in this thread is unbelievable and especially the title. It's brings so much negativity and distracts people from the good stuff. Anyways ! If I made this thread I would title it "Congratulations to Lili and Vita", Instead of "LiYongBo has cooties". Or something a little more objective like "China Almost had a clean sweep Except the women's Doubles". Besides the "Li Yong Bo" bash, flame, and drama is getting pretty old. Then again, an objective canadian (me) wouldn't have the same feelings of subjective supporters.

O and I like XXFs Hair XD, then again she still looked pretty with long hair ^^.

And man did anybody notice that draft. It was like auto win if you were against the wind. And auto lose if you were with it. (figuratively speaking)
I don't understand this. Did they change court conditions drastically from SF onwards? There was no mention of draft in QF matches of LCW vs TH , etc.Can anyone clarify?

[LazyBuddy]

Natsir/Vita had demolished the chinese in their home ground. Nobody would dare to say china will lose in WD. To take one set from them is already consired a huge achievement.

This is not a win by luck or some tricks. In fact, they beat the full strength chinese ladies. The chinese pairs are totally a standard above the rest. In fact...before china masters...everyone predicted they will make clean sweep in the semis I can expect upset to happen in WS because there are some chinese players representing france, german and also mew choo, tracey, yip pui yin had created some upsets before this.

From the past records...I could hardly recall when a non chinese ladies pair win a big tournament/open. The 90s was gefei and gu jun total domination followed up by gaoling and huang sui. Later on, yang wei and zhang jiewen challenged gao/huang. Not just that, for the past 5 yrs...there are so many new strong ladies doubles from china...weiyili, zhaotingting, du jing , yu yang, and etc....in fact...it is considered a big achievement if u can steal a set from the chinese ladies...just like what ra kyung min and her partner had done. But i dont think ra kyung min had won ladies double event in the present of all top ranked double pairs from china.

So, INA win is considered a huge huge success...in front of china crowd and with the present of 5 formidable pairs from china...congrats to the INA pair. I think the fact that they played in mixed doubles have made them very strong in WD. They dont fear chinese ladies smashes. When u play mixed, natsir and vita gotta have solid defense. Imagine how hardcore is zhang jun, nathan robertson smashes...so..if they are able to defend those smashes...to retrieve huang sui or zhang jiewen smashes are just a piec of cake.

Congrats to the pair. It's always more excited to see some new forces standing out of create some excitement. However, do it consistantly is the key to improve and prove.

LYB is the coach getting 4 out of 5 gold. I really don't know how get 80% of the gold is a slap. If that's a slap for LYB, what about other nation's coaches??? Like 200 of them share 1 gold??? :D

I know LYB is not a fan's favorite for many non-CHN fans. However, the logic used here just draw my laugh. :cool:

[staples]

Congrats to the pair. It's always more excited to see some new forces standing out of create some excitement. However, do it consistantly is the key to improve and prove.

LYB is the coach getting 4 out of 5 gold. I really don't know how get 80% of the gold is a slap. If that's a slap for LYB, what about other nation's coaches??? Like 200 of them share 1 gold??? :D

I know LYB is not a fan's favorite for many non-CHN fans. However, the logic used here just draw my laugh. :cool:

Agree. Well perhaps WD was supposed to be a sure win. ? Anyway congrats to Indonesia for winning this event.

It's not like Li declared at the beginning that China will sweep all gold medals. So it's not a big slap to him. :)

[huangkwokhau]

Agree. Well perhaps WD was supposed to be a sure win. ? Anyway congrats to Indonesia for winning this event.

It's not like Li declared at the beginning that China will sweep all gold medals. So it's not a big slap to him. :)

Actually he said that ( according to this thread with minimum 3 all chinese finals)...anyway...he has a right to be optimism as CHN had won many titles before...who can argue with him...??

[taufik-ist]

Actually he said that ( according to this thread with minimum 3 all chinese finals)...anyway...he has a right to be optimism as CHN had won many titles before...who can argue with him...??

there's only 1 all chinese final , so LY basically failed ? :rolleyes: :D

[cooler]

there's only 1 all chinese final , so LY basically failed ? :rolleyes: :D
before making fun of other people's so called failure, u should just look at your first LOL

[OneToughBirdie]

The way CO07 unfolded shock a lot of people...we saw the 1st half draw went more or less as expected, tough and full of thrillers, with LCW battling 3-set against TH follwed by 3-set with LD...LD taken to 70-minute, 3-set by BCL (not the usual 2-setter setup stuff we predicted or expected).
The 2nd half was full of upset and KO with the 3-Chens gone before coffee-break was even over. In a way, that may be considered a setback for CHN, even winning 4 out 5 finals (any other country would be overwhelming success, but with CHN power-pack team, we tend to expect more, like a runaway train). Honestly, do we expect this occurence to recurr, that is CHN down to LD only in SF and others out before the QF, if CHN field the 3 Chens and LD in their lineup in every tourneys...I opine that is not likely to occur, unless the draw is against CHN with their players meeting each other early, like LD-BCL in 2nd round...just a thought. I was observing LD since he came back from his rib injury, he is not doing those dive-for-the-birdie (one of his trademark besides his jumping smash) stuff anymore?

[taufik-ist]

before making fun of other people's so called failure, u should just look at your first LOL

why are u so upset :rolleyes:...

i just looked at my self in front of the mirror, nothing is wrong wih my face :D

[Krisna]

before making fun of other people's so called failure, u should just look at your first LOL

He was just kidding... Don't take it seriously, cooler... :p

[taufik-ist]

He was just kidding... Don't take it seriously, cooler... :p

ya.. i was kidding... :D

LYB is the most successful coach and player ever ,
he's like the kaizer frank backenbauer, successful as player , also successful as a coach.

[Angelou]

I don't understand this. Did they change court conditions drastically from SF onwards? There was no mention of draft in QF matches of LCW vs TH , etc.Can anyone clarify?

I haven't seen the LCW vs TH match.

However in many of the matches it was emphasized that the draft would affect the match. For example during most of the matches, the person closest to us would typically lose because the draft is going with him. Why ? because anytime he or she would lift, the ball would usually fly out and thus making shots fly out easily. That's why alot of players tried to play alot more aggressively on that side because they could potentially avoid making lifts. On the other side, the draft is going against them which meant that make faster shots and they would still be in. I'm sure there are more things happening when you get a draft, but that was my general obeservation of it. I found that LD took BIG ADVANTAGE of that during his final with WCH. LD made his pushes fast and deep and they'd always be in because of the draft. That's why Wong was struggling so much in the 2nd match. And it was damn obvious in the WS Final, but XXF beat the advantage. And WD it was very evident, that the chinese were struggling with Draft. Vita and Lili were exceptional in their net play and so were able to take advantage of the net and make their opponents lift which usually meant the shuttle went long.
Long Story short, when your against the draft, you usually had the advantage ... (IMO)

[LazyBuddy]

no. i don't mean celebrating is childish. sorry if my msg came across that way. but i mean laughing at LYB for one lost of his team while they normally win every other tournament is childish.

if you read my msg in the final thread, you will see that i was actually cheering for Butet and Vita. i think they totally deserve the win.

I agree with kwun.

It's surely fine to accept some new candidates to raise the champion trophy, but celebrating by trash talking others down... :eek: Well, if someone wants to trash talk, pick a better target with a logical sense.

It's a joke that someone finally wins a title for years, laughing at a well known powerhouse, who's been winning 90% of this title, and still managed to capture 4 other titles in the same event.

[LazyBuddy]

there's only 1 all chinese final , so LY basically failed ? :rolleyes: :D

LYB failed, if he does not capture all the gold, silver, bronze, all semi / quarter final spots, etc. Ok, nice standard. Even if he capture all the gold, the die hard fans, will question about his English, his hair styles, his tones of speaking, whatever kinda food he likes... :D

What about the standard for many others so-call "forces"? National celerbration for 1 title, or just 1 final appearance??? :cool::eek:

[LazyBuddy]

I don't know what's wrong with some of you ppl being so childish over things which happens all the time in sports(favorites falls to underdogs)....I don't remember a thread like this being posted when the Indonesian Open just concluded(something like "Big Slap" on Joko Suprianto's face).

It's too easy to answer the question. Many posters here have loud voice, but lacking 1 thing called "logic". Since their own teams failed to CHN fist for like years, they lost hope on their own players and coaches, but just hope there's a dark curse on their opponents. Since CHN took most of the medals, LYB is easily the target. :cool:

Why don't they call themselves a "big slap" when they do fail, which happens much more than CHN team? Because, such "fans" hide their tails between their legs, and shut the mouth. Of course, they work hard, not to find a way to cheer their own heroes, but to practice on the dark spell for the opponents. :(

Keep this up, and let's see when CHN's dominance will fell into the dark spells... :o

[twobeer]

If it is considered a failure to win 4/5 superseries finals, I think most other coaches would just love to fail :-)

Also blaming any loss on the coach is silly.. Ultimately the player has more responsibility for win/loss than the coach :)

The only ones that could be unhappy with LYB mgmt this time I think is the qualifiers, Zhongbo XIE & Zhendong GUO from China who had to WO against Cai/Fu... (but I was not present, so "maybe" there was an "injury" ??

Cheers,
Twobeer

[taufik-ist]

LYB failed, if he does not capture all the gold, silver, bronze, all semi / quarter final spots, etc. Ok, nice standard. Even if he capture all the gold, the die hard fans, will question about his English, his hair styles, his tones of speaking, whatever kinda food he likes... :D

What about the standard for many others so-call "forces"? National celerbration for 1 title, or just 1 final appearance??? :cool::eek:

we are all accidental LYB fans :D :D :p

[OneToughBirdie]

LYB i think was occupied transforming fu/cai into a lethal weapon. Then LD lost desire to win that needed fixing. Now that those matters are more or less have been addressed, LYB will find the time to fix the WD. Some of u guys are overjoyed a bit too much too soon:p Even the most reliable toyota corolla needed a tune up once in a while.

Disagree with u...Honda Civic is more reliable than Corolla..., aha! Okay Corolla is second!! hahaha!!! LOL!!!:p

[Joyous]

Hey, thanks Joyous! I am usually joyous when following live badminton. More relaxing than my work, ha ha ha... But you shall see me make negative comments/criticism from time to time. Usually regarding Indonesia's badminton management [PBSI/Indonesian Badminton Association policies] and ahem ahem... Li Yongbo. :p

It's okay too to make criticism. There are some who do it in with tact and humour while some come across as hostile & prejudiced. BTW, I think (auntie) GL and (uncle) ZB are young enough to be your niece & nephew. Ha...ha.... But you got to give them credit for their continuous winning streaks since AG 06.

[Krisna]

It's okay too to make criticism. There are some who do it in with tact and humour while some come across as hostile & prejudiced. BTW, I think (auntie) GL and (uncle) ZB are young enough to be your niece & nephew. Ha...ha.... But you got to give them credit for their continuous winning streaks since AG 06.

GL-ZB are awesome! I called them (auntie) and (uncle) because they are relatively older compared to the Lili Natsir, Greysia Polii, etc. who are 21/22... :p Ha ha ha... They are young enough to be my little sister and brother, not niece and nephew laaah... I'm 35. GL is... er... 27?!? something like that... I remember GL already played in the 2000 Olympics. She's been around a looonggg time.... :cool:

[WzShuttle]

I am new here. I have to say I do agree to some comments you guys made about LYB's manner. I was shocked that he was wearing his cap all the time at the Sudirman Cup ceremony, even when he shaking hands with officials and accepting the trophy. I believe it is the basic politeness to take your cap off at that moment. Anyone watched the ceremony would notice that. :eek:

[huangkwokhau]

I am new here. I have to say I do agree to some comments you guys made about LYB's manner. I was shocked that he was wearing his cap all the time at the Sudirman Cup ceremony, even when he shaking hands with officials and accepting the trophy. I believe it is the basic politeness to take your cap off at that moment. Anyone watched the ceremony would notice that. :eek:
It is LYB's trademark wearing cap all the time...he has bald hair in the middle...thats why he wears cap...honestly he looks good with cap also....;);)

[LazyBuddy]

I am new here. I have to say I do agree to some comments you guys made about LYB's manner. I was shocked that he was wearing his cap all the time at the Sudirman Cup ceremony, even when he shaking hands with officials and accepting the trophy. I believe it is the basic politeness to take your cap off at that moment. Anyone watched the ceremony would notice that. :eek:

The award ceremony is usually immediately after the final games, which is very normal for the coach/player still in their playing uniform to accept the award. In olympics, you see champions accept medals in swimwear, gymnastics wear, sweating basketball uniforms, etc. Some of them don't even have the tracking pants, socks or even shoes on (such as diving, swimming, gymnastics, wrestling, etc). Do you think they are all dis-grace to the olympics spirit? :eek:

I would rather see a player / coach accept the award politely but in sweating gym shirt, rather than someone in a nice looking suit, but with a super pissed off / or "I don't even care" face. ;)

[cooler]

I am new here. I have to say I do agree to some comments you guys made about LYB's manner. I was shocked that he was wearing his cap all the time at the Sudirman Cup ceremony, even when he shaking hands with officials and accepting the trophy. I believe it is the basic politeness to take your cap off at that moment. Anyone watched the ceremony would notice that. :eek:

LOL, u r on the extreme opposite end of mannerism of a previous condemnation of LD. Lin Dan was critized (an insult some call it) for not wearing a stupid gift hat at a malaysian open award ceremony. Damn if u do, damn if you don't. LOL. It's not easy to be #1 i guess. People find ways to put or shoot u down, for fun or for plain stupidity reason.


http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=38566&highlight=hat&page=3

[Joyous]

Quote Cooler [Damn if u do, damn if you don't. LOL. It's not easy to be #1 i guess. People find ways to put or shoot u down, for fun or for plain stupidity reason.]

I see your point Cooler and hope the rest who are still prejudiced will one day do.

[hyun007]

Honestly speaking, the win by the Indonesians WD is more than a slap on LYB.

WD have been totally dominate by China since 1990s.
Indonesia have never been a contender for WD since the mid 90s.
On very rare occasion will the WD title going to another country(Korea :p) in such a big event.
Worst of all, to get beaten on homeground that everyone in this world expect any of the China WD pair to win the title.
For sure I will put a bet on China to win even if the return is tiny.
So, this win by the Indonesian is really incredible.

No Spanking for LYB, he is a sadist and most probably will enjoy it.
Slapping is better although he might again here, get the pleasure out of it.

;)

Final Conclusion, well done to that incredible win by the Indonesian.
As for LYB, it is definitely a massive blown away.

[pjswift]

Its just a one off...Well the Indon pair played well but in badminton/sports you win sometimes and lose sometimes, it is not a "huge" failure to the Chinese, they played well too but just lost to the better pair of the day.

A "slap on LiYongbo's face" would mean that no Chinese WD pair have been winning championships for a long long time....and you know that is not the case. So please think twice before posting such comments
Actually, the problem lies with your interpretation of the way's first post. No where did he mention a 'huge' failure to the Chinese at all...He only lauded INA WD's as an incredible success. I would say INA WD scored a coup; CHN did not fail but they were caught napping.(That's how coups happen, with the surprise element as the catalyst.) There are going to be more coups in future but it will be countable.
I think you should read the way 's posts at least twice before you inadvertently put words in his mouth and misled others.How can 'A slap on LYB's face mean that no Chinese WD pair have been winning championships for a long long time'? the way never said that. That's a rather warped interpretation and I don't think the way would even have seen it that way.
I believe you owe him an apology for making him look ridiculous.
I want to say, except for this post which must have been a knee jerk reaction, you do have fine opinions and some of your posts are splendid.

[Linus]

I came across this article in a Chinese blog which I think is very interesting and relavant to the topic in this thread. It shows the reaction and metality of the Chinese team after the China Master WD defeat. It seems LYB does not feel it is a slap but rather an opportunity for improvement. It shows that why they are so strong and continue to be a strong badminton force.

I took the liberty to do the translation, but for those who want to read the original article in Chinese, go here http://2008.qq.com/a/20070716/000019.htm (http://2008.qq.com/a/20070716/000019.htm)

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In the just concluded Chinese Master, Team China won 4 of the 5 finals, ironically losing out in her most confident event – WD. Since LYB became the head coach of China National Team in 1993, Chinese WD has been at the pinnacle. Great WD pairings like GF/GJ, CYY/TYS, GL/HS, YW/ZJW has dominated the top at the world rankings, and often met in the finals of various Open tournaments, and never lost in any finals held in China – so in this year China Master, when Team China has won 4 of the finals, many expected we could easily take the fifth, yet the unexpected happened: after wining the first set, YW/ZTT lost 2 consecutive sets and the match!

It is no wonder that LYB said after the match: “It is quite regretful that not only this is not a China vs China final, we even relinquish the WD champion tile.” Losing a match like this is not scary, but the key is to understand why we lost and why we lost a match that we were most confident in?

Firstly, we can not ignore that fact that the draw has a great impact on the WD team. Four of our WD teams met each others in the QF, the top seed pairing ZYW/WTL lost to YY/DJ and the veteran pairing of GL/HS lost to YW/ZTT; the advantages that Team China has suddenly is halved, whilst the likes of Indonesia pair and England pair enter into the SF. Even if we put aside the eventual champion of Indonesia pair, the England pair has never beaten any of the Chinese pairings, they were very fortunate in the draw. This is the uniqueness of how Super Series draw is conducted, and it took away the numeric advantage that the Chinese WD pairings used to enjoy.

Secondly, we seem to lack the ability to deal with sudden change in conditions, both the change in condition of the court as well as the change in the opponent’s tactic. In this tournament, almost all players commented about the draft and the speed of the shuttles have affected the matches, but these conditions affected all players alike. In theory, the better the player’s ability, the least should be the impact. But unfortunately, in the SF and final against the Indonesian pair, the Chinese WD seem to be most affected by these – both YY/DJ and YW/ZJJ lost after taken the lead – this indicated that they were slow to react to the change in court condition as well as slow in adjusting own strategy, resulted in surrendering the advantage they built up, which was a real pity.

Thirdly, the Chinese WD team must also admit that there is room for improvement in their technique. GL commented after her match in the XD that she found that she still has a lot to improve when she is at the net attacking. So in which area that Chinese WD can improve on? LYB said when summarizing the WD performance: “China WD is strong in their defence, but they are not as good when dealing with delicate touches at the net, we need to strengthen in this area in our training sessions and subsequent competition.” Every one has its own strength and weakness, if China WD wanted to become unbeatable, they must make sure that their strength is much higher than that of their opponent, at the same time, they must ensure the weakness is not worse off than that of their opponent.

Furthermore, not only one but two China WD lost to a new pairing that put together for the first time; even though the Indonesia pair is strong, it also shows that both the coaching team and the players are not well prepared to deal with them, resulting in the not-so-outstanding Indonesia pair winning the WD crown. China WD has been in the dominant position for too long, resulted in them lacking the skill to deal with adverse situation. This is a lesson to be learned.

As LYB said, “Looking towards OG08, the key for China WD is to step up, continue to improve, only then we can be more assured in winning the gold medal.”

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[robin7]

Some of the posters here are putting themselves too high up by writing long insights and reasoning every reply from the rest of the posters. Undeniable, some of these so-called "matured posters" do have very splendid and fantastic insights but what I don't like is the harsh way of attacking other so-called "childish posters".

IMO, the starter of this thread just voiced out his opinion on CHN losing the WD. I think if he changed the title to "Clean sweep again, not this time!" or "Congratulations to INA WD!", most of the people here will agree with what he posted and shut their mouths.

May be I'm wrong, is this the proper way a poster with thousands of posts treat another poster with just hundreds of posts. You tell me.

[LazyBuddy]

Some of the posters here are putting themselves too high up by writing long insights and reasoning every reply from the rest of the posters. Undeniable, some of these so-called "matured posters" do have very splendid and fantastic insights but what I don't like is the harsh way of attacking other so-called "childish posters".

IMO, the starter of this thread just voiced out his opinion on CHN losing the WD. I think if he changed the title to "Clean sweep again, not this time!" or "Congratulations to INA WD!", most of the people here will agree with what he posted and shut their mouths.

May be I'm wrong, is this the proper way a poster with thousands of posts treat another poster with just hundreds of posts. You tell me.

Well, the problem is, who's the one started the problem? It's surely fine to celebration a victory for the "underdogs". Including myself, I want to see some new forces rising up, and make the final result to be more exciting and unpredictable. However, with a rare victory, you tell me that's "slap other's face", that's way over the line.

Victory is sweet, but sportsmanship is more important. Respect your opponent, and even learn from the ones you defeated (never metion, they defeat you way much more times). Personally, I have nothing against the fact that we have a new champion pair, but the original poster's intention is definitely not just focus on the "celebration".

It's alright to voice your point of view, but in a public forum, I believe everyone should post with some responsibility. Just close your eyes, and shouting "right of speech" does not gain respect from others. :o

[tommy_bun]

It is no wonder that LYB said after the match: “It is quite regretful that not only this is not a China vs China final, we even relinquish the WD champion tile.” Losing a match like this is not scary, but the key is to understand why we lost and why we lost a match that we were most confident in?
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Wow LYB is getting wiaer now,makes me like him more.
I think what LYB said was rite.
Vita/Natsir just won their first meet,lets see uf they can beat Yang/Zhao again if they meet at Phillipines Open.LYB must have found some new tricks to handle vita/natsir.

[deca2000]

some of these so-called "matured posters" do have very splendid and fantastic insights but what I don't like is the harsh way of attacking other so-called "childish posters".

Frankly, starting a topic with a title like that is childish, if he really posted it without evening thinking about it. Otherwise, he probably just wanted to stir a fight like this on purpose.

BTW, since when posters are divided into classes by the number of their posts:D

[taufik-ist]

Wow LYB is getting wiaer now,makes me like him more.
I think what LYB said was rite.
Vita/Natsir just won their first meet,lets see uf they can beat Yang/Zhao again if they meet at Phillipines Open.LYB must have found some new tricks to handle vita/natsir.

and vita/lilyana have also found new strategy :D

[V3i HoN6]

Frankly, starting a topic with a title like that is childish, if he really posted it without evening thinking about it. Otherwise, he probably just wanted to stir a fight like this on purpose.

BTW, since when posters are divided into classes by the number of their posts:D
It's entirely up to you whether you want to feed the trolls.
People like this coming everyday and do you have to be cynical and get all up on those so called "childish" posts. Talking some sense and win an argument over some childish posters?

Some people can't stand others being cocky & arrogant, so they bitch. By the other side, some people can't stand others other being bitchy & stubborn, so they bitch along. See, everyone got what they have to say, right or wrong. Just don't give the holier-than-thou attitude cause we got enough here.

I'm sorry Im being bitchy too:p but this will be My last post in this thread. Move on people.

[kwun]

It's entirely up to you whether you want to feed the trolls.
People like this coming everyday and do you have to be cynical and get all up on those so called "childish" posts. Talking some sense and win an argument over some childish posters?

Some people can't stand others being cocky & arrogant, so they bitch. By the other side, some people can't stand others other being bitchy & stubborn, so they bitch along. See, everyone got what they have to say, right or wrong. Just don't give the holier-than-thou attitude cause we got enough here.

I'm sorry Im being bitchy too:p but this will be My last post in this thread. Move on people.

that's a good closing post for this thread.