It is only the Phillippines Open la

[Pemuda]

With respect to the Phillippines Open, I think the Msian press and public should not get over the moon thinking that KKK/TBH are now back in business.

The Phillippines Open cannot be used as an indicator simply because the opponents there were 3rd rate. And we simply cannot start building castle in the sky and think that KKK/TBH are now on course to take the WC simply because they won the PO.

Thats the problem with Msian sports. We win one minor tournament and the whole buildup will start again ... and later we will fall flat on our face.

[ma-fung]

You r 100% rite

[Darien]

true true...
the opponents they played in PO are not so top class rated...
but at least their performance is much better than previous two...
as for WC, they are just not qualify as yet to win...

[zqloy]

Its true that PO is a minor tournament. However KKK/TBH shows that their form its back & most importantly their on-court spirit is high, thats what us fans r cheering about! They should be given more positive encouragement than negative comments like this.

[ants]

Trailling from behind to snatch the game in the 2nd set does shows that they are on the right track. Its not easy to play when you are trailing by so many points.

[zqloy]

Trailling from behind to snatch the game in the 2nd set does shows that they are on the right track. Its not easy to play when you are trailing by so many points.

For MD is nearly impossible.

[Makunouchi]

I think the important thing here is that there form has come back. We will know see if there training has paid off in the coming World Championship.

[madbad]

Agree. They should however consider it a good tune up and confidence builder. It gave them an opportunity to iron out some kinks and put to the test some of the stuff they've been doing at practice. It now puts them in the right frame of mind going into the WC.

[samuel882]

That's the main different of MAS players compare with the Chinese team.. Win a champs then get carried away .. and overjoyyed ! While u can see the form of the whole Chinese team never drop so significantly after their win.. Even in Olympics, WC, AE.. One fine example is ZN.. LD... Their wining chart is never like an roller coaster... is "near to straight" line in their chart.. I wonder any others country can produce the same consisitent players...
No doubt.. KKK/TBh ever enjoy couple of continuos success.. But to be a true champion which win over fans' respect.. They must shows their consistent as Chinese players.. The most importantly.. win in Major tournamets.. such as the coming WC & Olympic.. Then only we can said they are as great as the ever consistent chinese

[USAfan]

You just can't win !!! When you loose, you get the bashing, when you win, its not good enough. Bottom line, this win is a big boost to their confidence and a huge step from the past three months. Why can't we take this as a positive step for the pairs. Let's cheer their success and root them to another victory at WC 2007. Be a die-hard fan !!!!!

[samuel882]

They simply having an outstanding perfomance in PO.. However.. It was not logic for ALL of us fink that a victory frm an Last OPens before WC will be guarantee them the title ..
PO is over by now..We should STOP praising them .. Let them focus to the preparation in training.. Young players needs praise but they also needs crictism to mature as a great players.

[ants]

The players themselves knows that there is a big task ahead of them as WC is approaching.

[Pemuda]

Trailling from behind to snatch the game in the 2nd set does shows that they are on the right track. Its not easy to play when you are trailing by so many points.

In the first place they should not be trailing behind 3rd rate opponents (thank god Cai/Fu was not there). The Philippines Open is a good warm up yes. But it is certainly no indicator.

It is certainly not gonna be easy playing against top rate opponents.

[Pemuda]

You just can't win !!! When you loose, you get the bashing, when you win, its not good enough. Bottom line, this win is a big boost to their confidence and a huge step from the past three months. Why can't we take this as a positive step for the pairs. Let's cheer their success and root them to another victory at WC 2007. Be a die-hard fan !!!!!

It is no bashing. What I am saying is that we in Msia should not fall back into our usual "chest thumping" whenever our sportsmen/women win something and then go about thinking that we are gonna conquer the world in the Malaysia Boleh trumpet call.

Am not sure about winning the PO is a big boost to their confidence and a "huge step" forward for KKK/TBH. I think the PO is like a warm up kinda thingy.

I am a realist. And KKK/TBH have yet to convince me that they will be up there amongst the legends.

[pjswift]

Its true that PO is a minor tournament. However KKK/TBH shows that their form its back & most importantly their on-court spirit is high, thats what us fans r cheering about! They should be given more positive encouragement than negative comments like this.
Great attitude. But Darien types would be what we call 'cynics.' No matter what is done, it's never good enough and the doubts will continue to simmer.Best approach is to not waste any energy, money or time on cynics.Over time, cynics may change, if ever.

[Pemuda]

true true...
the opponents they played in PO are not so top class rated...
but at least their performance is much better than previous two...
as for WC, they are just not qualify as yet to win...

You know, types like pjswift are gonna jump on you like a group of monkeys fighting over a bunch of bananas. They are wishful thinkers and for the likes of them winning the PO is a step forward to the WC and Olympic Gold. In Msia, we have numerous wishful thinkers in all sports association. It is a Msian disease actually.

[pjswift]

In the first place they should not be trailing behind 3rd rate opponents (thank god Cai/Fu was not there). The Philippines Open is a good warm up yes. But it is certainly no indicator.

It is certainly not gonna be easy playing against top rate opponents.
Nowadays, 3rd rate opponents can suddenly turn on the heat in the space of one tournament. You'll have to promote them cos they beat 2 solid INA MDs otherwise you have to demote INA MDs to 4th rate. The fact that they have to give fu/cai WO in CM07 would suggest that they would have taken a lot out of fu/cai to make them vulnerable to TBH/OSH. 3rd rate? Think again.
What would your reaction be if kkk/tbh had not won the PO title?

[Linus]

Winning the PO may not the greatest acheivement in LCW or KKK/TBH career, but nothing beat the feeling of winning, especially for KKK/TBH who has not tasted this feeling for a while. It may push them to want to feel it again and again.

If I may use the analogy of the good striker who suddenly lost his goal scoring touches, he went games after games just could not get in a goal even though he did all the right things in getting into good positions, moving on and off the ball, with or without possession etc. Everything seems to go against him. A good coach will in those instance, put him in a reserve game, or a cup game against a much weaker team which he will normally be rested, let him have a chance to score a brace or more. Sure, one may say he is expected to do that, but by scoring again this striker will find back his confidence and drop the self-doubt about his own ability to score.

So in that regard, winning PO can only be good news for KKK/TBH, especially with Rexy around, who seem to know about the Malaysia team potential.

As I have said in other threads that Malaysia MD has the critical mass to success, and with more pairs coming into life at the right time, it is an advantage over the likes of China and Indonesia.

[samuel882]

nice comparison.. Another thing for KKK/TBH which is similiar to football is... sometimes u play very attractive games... but eventually u will lost the match.. Sometimes u plays poor but still u will win it...
It happens in many sports match... No doubt... Watching Koo/Tan games is very exciting/entertaining... However. sometimes they really needs to play abit more to "real" .. In other words.. Play to win... Not Play to be attractive but lost !

[robin7]

With respect to the Phillippines Open, I think the Msian press and public should not get over the moon thinking that KKK/TBH are now back in business.

The Phillippines Open cannot be used as an indicator simply because the opponents there were 3rd rate. And we simply cannot start building castle in the sky and think that KKK/TBH are now on course to take the WC simply because they won the PO.

Thats the problem with Msian sports. We win one minor tournament and the whole buildup will start again ... and later we will fall flat on our face.

Malaysian Press and Public sometimes just over-praised the players.:( Appropriate encouragement is necessary for continual successes but improper praises could bring negative impacts.

The coaches Misbun & Rexy have done a very good job to bring our players back on tracks and they are well aware that some players have improved but still below their best.:)

The players themselves should realize that winning titles again just a big boost to regain the confidence & should not overjoy over it ahead of big event. There is still a long long way to go & room for improvement.:cool:

ALL the best for Malaysia Badminton! MALAYSIA BOLEH!

[banidosa]

hi ants! r u there in PO final day? i think i saw u wearin orange top? :P

[Makunouchi]

hi ants! r u there in PO final day? i think i saw u wearin orange top? :P


Yup he was there the whole tournament taking pictures. I forgot to take a picture with the famous ANTS!:D

[Pemuda]

Nowadays, 3rd rate opponents can suddenly turn on the heat in the space of one tournament. You'll have to promote them cos they beat 2 solid INA MDs otherwise you have to demote INA MDs to 4th rate. The fact that they have to give fu/cai WO in CM07 would suggest that they would have taken a lot out of fu/cai to make them vulnerable to TBH/OSH. 3rd rate? Think again.
What would your reaction be if kkk/tbh had not won the PO title?

First of all, I think we really really need to stop all this chest thumping ala Malaysia Boleh aka Syiok Sendiri type of action. In short, we need to get real. The PO is no big deal, like it or not it is a 3rd rate tournament or else the big fish will all be there. So, why dont you take a chill pill and not wet yourself over KKK/TBH winning the PO. The win is just a warm up for KKK/TBH and certainly is no yardstick for next month WC.

The WC is the real deal, not some mickey mouse PO. So, lets see how KKK/TBH fare in the WC.

What would my reaction be had KKK/TBH not won the PO??? Like I said earlier, they have yet to convince me so if they did not win the PO, my rating of them is still the same ... which is flash in the pan.

[jangster]

Trailling from behind to snatch the game in the 2nd set does shows that they are on the right track. Its not easy to play when you are trailing by so many points.

i agree with you ants

[catherineshinbi]

i wan to know what kkk and tbh say about their win?

[taufikk]

Being a PO champion is better than nothing. I don't think the boys would be overjoy, I'm sure they are working hard for the coming WC.

[~sss~]

Being a PO champion is better than nothing. I don't think the boys would be overjoy, I'm sure they are working hard for the coming WC.

yeah...i agree wif u!!
IMO, we should support our players as long as they can do their best!!

[dunker]

When Andre Agassi hit rock bottom a number of years ago, he competed in challanger events which is a far cry form the normal ATP tourneys he used to compete in.
The important thing after hitting a slump is to get and win matches to not only get the feel of winning but also a confidance boost. So yep they did well in PO but i cant help but wonder, if the win would make them over confidant. Then again, i think at this moment they are the best bet the world have to tip over Fu/Cai...the other players have a fighting chance too....if one of them breaks a leg :P :P
Anyway hope TBH/KKK win in WC. Go Go baby!

[ants]

i wan to know what kkk and tbh say about their win?

They said that it was kinda lucky for them to be able to get 2nd set. But at the same time they aren't overconfident in the 2nd set since they won the first set easy. When they we trailing on the second set, they just take one point at a time, play a point at a time... until they realised that they got closer and closer until the scores are even at 20-20.

[sweetluv]

kind of weird~ actually they themselves are not overjoyed or being carried away, is just the press who makes it a bit "huge" since the mas top pair haven been winning tournaments and the win definately boosted their confident.. i guess not much ppl is overwhelmed with their PO winning... philippine open is already over.... just keep our finger cross for the WC..

[alfa-2]

hmmmm.....to me, the press is just doing their work, NOT as professionals, but as a businessman, as big news = more money. just look at the press in "Spiderman" movie, maybe in real world it is something like it too? kekekek.......or at least MAS press do have the potential to become one......

[koo_fan]

Thats the problem.When KKK/TBh is not a winner,they are rudely criticise by the fans.If they did well in a tournament,it is not enough.
So, what do u expect from them???
when they win the PO,we do realise that it is not a big tournament.We cannot celebrate that winning just like they are winning AE or olympic gold.No.we cant.and we accept that.
but is it a sin to appreciate their effort???
We are not giving them a "datuk" recognization.Why do u must bring it up in this forum??
it is just a appreciation for our athletes.just a commendation.
it is not necessary.

[koo_fan]

Pemuda, an outsider like USAfan are in KKK/TBh side.he is defending ur players.Dont u think it is weird???

[RSLdude]

With respect to the Phillippines Open, I think the Msian press and public should not get over the moon thinking that KKK/TBH are now back in business.

The Phillippines Open cannot be used as an indicator simply because the opponents there were 3rd rate. And we simply cannot start building castle in the sky and think that KKK/TBH are now on course to take the WC simply because they won the PO.

Thats the problem with Msian sports. We win one minor tournament and the whole buildup will start again ... and later we will fall flat on our face.

Pemuda, before expressing your state of mind in this forum, please make sure to check your spelling. You typed "Phillippines" which should be spelled "Philippines". Secondly, you do not use "Phillippines Open"; it should be "Philippine Open".:rolleyes:

I think you're missing an important point when Malaysians celebrate the victory of KKK/TBH in the MD event of the PO 2007. Whether the PO 2007 is a 3rd, 4th or even a 5th rate tournament, the bottomline is that KKK/TBH accomplished their mission, and did us, the Filipinos, a big favor, by providing a great view of world class badminton (courtesy of the Malaysian squad and even the other teams who have the guts to travel here and participated). We surely appreciate that they recognized the PO 2007 as an important event.

Lastly, athletes do experience a "slump" in their respective careers. But in the case of KKK and TBH, can you (still) remember their accomplishments in the Super Series tournaments this year? If so, can you consider that their opponents in the SS were 3rd rate?

[samuel882]

Thats the problem.When KKK/TBh is not a winner,they are rudely criticise by the fans.If they did well in a tournament,it is not enough.
So, what do u expect from them???
when they win the PO,we do realise that it is not a big tournament.We cannot celebrate that winning just like they are winning AE or olympic gold.No.we cant.and we accept that.
but is it a sin to appreciate their effort???
We are not giving them a "datuk" recognization.Why do u must bring it up in this forum??
it is just a appreciation for our athletes.just a commendation.
it is not necessary.

You are right.. KKK/TBH can be rated as the greatest assets in mas badminton history.. This is the same as Nicol David in squash..
However.. while Nicol David has been suffering a slump of form and being criticized by local press. She bounced back & maintain to be World no.1 in Women's Squash's Ranking.
It proove that to be a successful and great athletes.. U needs strong mentally.. Not matter how BAD critics by the press.. Just keeps ur self moving... And left the results silenced it..

[Pemuda]

Pemuda, before expressing your state of mind in this forum, please make sure to check your spelling. You typed "Phillippines" which should be spelled "Philippines". Secondly, you do not use "Phillippines Open"; it should be "Philippine Open".:rolleyes:

I think you're missing an important point when Malaysians celebrate the victory of KKK/TBH in the MD event of the PO 2007. Whether the PO 2007 is a 3rd, 4th or even a 5th rate tournament, the bottomline is that KKK/TBH accomplished their mission, and did us, the Filipinos, a big favor, by providing a great view of world class badminton (courtesy of the Malaysian squad and even the other teams who have the guts to travel here and participated). We surely appreciate that they recognized the PO 2007 as an important event.

Lastly, athletes do experience a "slump" in their respective careers. But in the case of KKK and TBH, can you (still) remember their accomplishments in the Super Series tournaments this year? If so, can you consider that their opponents in the SS were 3rd rate?

RSLdude,

Likewise, likewise ... before you start expressing your state of mind too, you may want to check your grammar as well. It should be ... athletes do experienced a slump. ;) Pot should not be calling the kettle black ;)

If you think what you saw at the PO was world class badminton then I can only say that I am happy for you.

Are you saying that Lin Dan, Taufik and those who did not show up for the PO were "gutless"?? :rolleyes:

[Pemuda]

Thats the problem.When KKK/TBh is not a winner,they are rudely criticise by the fans.If they did well in a tournament,it is not enough.
So, what do u expect from them???
when they win the PO,we do realise that it is not a big tournament.We cannot celebrate that winning just like they are winning AE or olympic gold.No.we cant.and we accept that.
but is it a sin to appreciate their effort???
We are not giving them a "datuk" recognization.Why do u must bring it up in this forum??
it is just a appreciation for our athletes.just a commendation.
it is not necessary.

Your mentality basically summed up our Msian sports syndrome. No wonder we are basically at rock bottom across the board. No wonder our badminton, football, hockey, track n field and etc are just plain shitty. We like to have this syiok sendiri, gaya mesti ada, malaysia boleh attitude.

Now, we think KKK/TBH are world beaters after the PO, so I just cant wait for the WC in August and I bet once they failed, it will be the usual excuses again.

[koo_fan]

Is it a tuition class now???
RSLdude, dont worry, im in ur side.Pemuda is pemuda.he will always stand to his opinions.we cannot change that.

[RSLdude]

RSLdude,

Likewise, likewise ... before you start expressing your state of mind too, you may want to check your grammar as well. It should be ... athletes do experienced a slump. ;) Pot should not be calling the kettle black ;)

If you think what you saw at the PO was world class badminton then I can only say that I am happy for you.

Are you saying that Lin Dan, Taufik and those who did not show up for the PO were "gutless"?? :rolleyes:

Who told you that Taufik did not show up in the PO 2007? :o

[Pemuda]

Who told you that Taufik did not show up in the PO 2007? :o

Opps he did, is it??? Wow .. since he didnt win it, PO must be pretty tough to win. I bet you rate it up there with the All England.

By the way ... you avoided my question. Let me put it to you again (minus Taufik) "Are you saying that Lin Dan, ...... and those who did not show up for the PO were "gutless"??

;)

[Pemuda]

Is it a tuition class now???
RSLdude, dont worry, im in ur side.Pemuda is pemuda.he will always stand to his opinions.we cannot change that.

My dear, I am sure RSLdude is a big boy and thus can stand on his own. He certainly dont need his lap dog barking for him.

[dunker]

THAT was a rather rude comment. Anyway RSL dude and Koo_fan, if some people want to be negative all the time let it be, just ignore it, this is not a place to fight.
All the same, our guys played well and all the best to them in the next big one.

[ants]

Peace.. dont fight... WC is coming.. lets see who win..