Thais serve first shock of the championship

[madbad]

The Star 27 July/07
Thais serve first shock of the championship

KUALA LUMPUR: Thailand dropped a bombshell when their contingent led by top singles shuttler Boonsak Ponsana withdrew from the World Championships to be held from Aug 13-19.

The 12-member Thai team has chosen to participate in the World University Games rather that the World Badminton Federation (BWF)'s premier world meet.

Thailand are hosting the Games in Bangkok from Aug 8-18 in conjunction with the 80th birthday of their King and unfortunately, it clashes with the world badminton meet.

The winners at the Games are promised lucrative prize money while the World Championships, which involves a one-year qualifying period, offers no cash incentives.

The Thai government, which is using the Games as a platform to secure a bid to host the 2016 Olympic Games, had made it compulsory for all Thai athletes to participate.

Yesterday, BWF's event manager M. Venugopal confirmed that the Thais had withdrawn from the world meet.

The Thais had two representatives each in the five events (men's singles and doubles, women's singles and doubles, mixed doubles) but their best bets were world No. 9 and Singapore Open singles champion Boonsak and world No. 6 mixed doubles pair of Sudket Prakamol-T. Saralee.

“Yes, the Thais have withdrawn. They had informed us quite late – after the final deadline ended (on June 25). It is now too late for us to find replacements,” said Venugopal.

“They knew about this world meet two years ago. Yet, they had to inform us of their withdrawal so close to the event. We cannot do anything about it.”

When asked whether it was a blow to the status of the world meet, Venu said: “No, certainly not. There are so many other top players who will be taking part.”

The Badminton Association of Malaysia (BAM) general manager Kenny Goh echoed the sentiments of Venugopal.

“No, the absence of the Thais will not take the glitter from the tournament. It is unfortunate that they cannot make it because they are hosting their event. But other top players will be here and we (the BAM as the organiser) will do our best to put up the best show ever,” said Kenny.

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This is utterly ridiculous. This is the World Championships we are talking about, one of the two most prestigious events in the badminton calendar. Yet the Thais boycott in favour of the World University Games over MONEY. It goes to show what a financially poor sport badminton is when playing in a world champioshihp can be hijacked by a much lesser event. The utter contempt shown by the Thais to the BWF also highlights another malaise in the sport–respect. BWF probably have themselves to blame though–I'm not certain but it seems like the rules governing participation are pretty lax. If there isn't a rule already levying fines for such actions, BWF should do so.

With a fiasco like this, you can see why non-badminton people find it hard to take badminton as a serious sport.

[ctjcad]

This is utterly ridiculous. This is the World Championships we are talking about, one of the two most prestigious events in the badminton calendar. Yet the Thais boycott in favour of the World University Games over MONEY. It goes to show what a financially poor sport badminton is when playing in a world champioshihp can be hijacked by a much lesser event. The utter contempt shown by the Thais to the BWF also highlights another malaise in the sport–respect. BWF probably have themselves to blame though–I'm not certain but it seems like the rules governing participation are pretty lax. If there isn't a rule already levying fines for such actions, BWF should do so.

With a fiasco like this, you can see why non-badminton people find it hard to take badminton as a serious sport.
..if the CHN's team mgt. decides to say "Oh well, what the heck, let's do our own badminton event instead of participating in the WC" and withdraws the whole squad from the WC at the last minute:eek:...I'm sure Kenny, M. Venugopal and the boys won't be echoing the same sentiment.. :p
I can understand it's probably partly BWF's decision also for making the WC a yearly event rather than a bi-annual event like pre 2005-making it less "prestigious"..Lack-of-money-wise, it could be a minor reason..:p

[madbad]

..if the CHN's team mgt. decides to say "Oh well, what the heck, let's do our own badminton event instead of participating in the WC" and withdraws the whole squad from the WC at the last minute:eek:...I'm sure Kenny, M. Venugopal and the boys won't be echoing the same sentiment.. :p
I can understand it's probably partly BWF's decision also for making the WC a yearly event rather than a bi-annual event like pre 2005-making it less "prestigious"..Lack-of-money-wise, it could be a minor reason..:p

Chris, you're telling me that the World University Games is more prestigious than the World Championships, even though it's being held once a year? Naah, you've been duped. It's about money. The events organized by the BWF put money in the Thai players' pockets–Boonsak and company gladly participate in them and this year in particular, Boonsak has been successful. When another event offering potentially more $$$ comes along, guess what, the Thai team bolts for that. There is no loyalty in this case, just plain greed.

If BWF had the proper mechanism in place to punish those who withdraw for similar reasons like the Thais had (remember they and everyone else had known this for 2 years), there would be many less such incidents. I still partly attribute this to BWF's poor wishy-washy management and their inability to establish rules structured to deal with pull outs. I hate it when management throws up their hands and say "there's nothing we can do".

[abedeng]

Now I understand why they withdrew, it's not so much caused by the World University Games in Bangkok, rather that the Games is setup as part of the King's Birthday Celebrations.

Thais are very loyal and devoted to their King ..... much more so than even the Sultanate of Brunei or Imperial Japan.

So madbad, it's not as ridiculous as we thought earlier. Although you and ctjcad are partially right that badminton is a poor sport, even more so in Thailand than in Malaysia, Indonesia and Singapore. Making the WC an annual affair does look like taking a lot of glamour off the tournament.

[ctjcad]

Chris, you're telling me that the World University Games is more prestigious than the World Championships, even though it's being held once a year? Naah, you've been duped. It's about money. The events organized by the BWF put money in the Thai players' pockets–Boonsak and company gladly participate in them and this year in particular, Boonsak has been successful. When another event offering potentially more $$$ comes along, guess what, the Thai team bolts for that. There is no loyalty in this case, just plain greed.

If BWF had the proper mechanism in place to punish those who withdraw for similar reasons like the Thais had (remember they and everyone else had known this for 2 years), there would be many less such incidents. I still partly attribute this to BWF's poor wishy-washy management and their inability to establish rules structured to deal with pull outs. I hate it when management throws up their hands and say "there's nothing we can do".
..has the so called Thai World University Games been around??..:confused:
If they did, was the same event held around the same time as the WC??..:confused:
If it was held around the same time as the previous WCs, didn't Boonsak and his sister participate in last yr's WC and the previous yr??..:confused:
If they held the event at different times in previous yrs, then for this yr, it's probably a timing issue, although the Thai squad knew already in advance.. :confused::p..

Now I understand why they withdrew, it's not so much caused by the World University Games in Bangkok, rather that the Games is setup as part of the King's Birthday Celebrations.

Thais are very loyal and devoted to their King ..... much more so than even the Sultanate of Brunei or Imperial Japan.
..hmm, did they skip the King's Birthday Celebrations last yr??..As i recall(correct me if i'm wrong), didn't the Thai contingent participated in last yr's WC??..:confused:

[samuel882]

This is the 1st times Thai is staging something BIG games beside Asian games in Bangkok a decades ago...
They are really into it & will use it as a benchmark to pursuit for their future bid of the Olympics.. So we can understand why the Thai Government needs the best athletes in all sports to be in for this University Games..
Too bad for Badminton fans to miss BP :(

[Inky2000]

I think it's the "King's Birthday Celebrations" factor that determined their decision. You guys have to respect their culture. I've been socializing with officials from Thai Embaasy from time to time and I could tell their unconditional loyalty - not even a world title could replace their loyalty to their King.

The biennal World University Games are held in different countries in different years. It happens that Bangkok hosts the Games this year and they want to associate it with King's Birthday. So that's it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universiade

[taneepak]

Abedeng is right. In Thailand their King is revered like a God. So much so that the Thai government has barred their players from leaving Thailand during the period. If the Thai national players so much as expressed unhappiness to the public you can forget about the future of Thai badminton. There are many different cultures in Asia. In Thailand any perceived slight to the King will have the Thai public going for your blood. Please respect the fact that there are different points of view in some parts of the world. I only hope that both the BAM and the WBF do not recklessly express their disappointment in a way that could be perceived as unfriendly to the Thai monarch. That would create a huge diplomatic row.

[darenong]

.... to judge the thais is unfair by being ignorance to the fact that surrounds this issue ... be reasonalable ... would u be by ur family side when they need u the most or u'd prefer to watch WC at the stadium if it happens at the same time ? think abt it

[madbad]

.... to judge the thais is unfair by being ignorance to the fact that surrounds this issue ... be reasonalable ... would u be by ur family side when they need u the most or u'd prefer to watch WC at the stadium if it happens at the same time ? think abt it

Your analogy is not accurate. The Thai team are going to do exactly the same thing that week–play badminton. It just happens they are told they HAVE to play at home instead of at the World Championships. Did anyone ask them what they would prefer to do? Where's the choice? The fact that they have known this for 2 years makes things even more puzzling. Did they have to wait till the last minute to pull out? To want us to understand the importance of the King and their culture (and I totally respect their culture–been there many times), while in turn dissing the BWF is not right. Pulling out at the last minute in view of the known facts just does not cut it. I know I'm gonna get a lot of people up in arms but that's my objective take on it.

[gidong]

Drop all of da Thais Player for WC just becoz of da Uni Games ? how on earth this happen ????

[taneepak]

Your analogy is not accurate. The Thai team are going to do exactly the same thing that week–play badminton. It just happens they are told they HAVE to play at home instead of at the World Championships. Did anyone ask them what they would prefer to do? Where's the choice? The fact that they have known this for 2 years makes things even more puzzling. Did they have to wait till the last minute to pull out? To want us to understand the importance of the King and their culture (and I totally respect their culture–been there many times), while in turn dissing the BWF is not right. Pulling out at the last minute in view of the known facts just does not cut it. I know I'm gonna get a lot of people up in arms but that's my objective take on it.

We don't know all the facts. Perhaps the Thai team was expecting a waiver from the King that did not come about. I don't think the Thais knew all along for the past two years that they would not be allowed to play in the WC. I also don't think there was any thing sinister of cynical about that last minute notice to pull out. I believe that the Thais did everything in good faith.
I would not be too judgemental-how could anyone without knowing all the facts?-and hastily blame first the WBF and then the Thais.

[darenong]

i think the thais might put WC 1st priority hoping for the best (which is of course to participate in both event) but they cant particiapte due to circumstances ......

[indra]

If I were a Thai athlete, despite no obligation for Thai athletes to participate in the World University Game, I would rather play in Bangkok, which offers lucrative prizes than participate in the WC....Money is more important than prestige...It is very simple...Money speaks louder than prestige ...

[george@chongwei]

anyway it is an unfair results against the Thais... but they still have a lot of $$$ hehe

[azabaz_ipoh]

i agree with abedeng and taneepak. i think even though the thais knew about the WC for two years maybe they did not know that the university meet was going to be linked to the king's celebration. and they are very loyal to their king, it is in their blood. it is unfortunate that the thais cannot play. but really, i think the thai players would have love to play if they could. but when faced with the choice between king and oneself, i believe the thais will always choose the King. we should not judge them for that. and we still have the other top players. :)

[ctjcad]

I think it's the "King's Birthday Celebrations" factor that determined their decision. You guys have to respect their culture. I've been socializing with officials from Thai Embaasy from time to time and I could tell their unconditional loyalty - not even a world title could replace their loyalty to their King.

The biennal World University Games are held in different countries in different years. It happens that Bangkok hosts the Games this year and they want to associate it with King's Birthday. So that's it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universiade

i agree with abedeng and taneepak. i think even though the thais knew about the WC for two years maybe they did not know that the university meet was going to be linked to the king's celebration. and they are very loyal to their king, it is in their blood. it is unfortunate that the thais cannot play. but really, i think the thai players would have love to play if they could. but when faced with the choice between king and oneself, i believe the thais will always choose the King. we should not judge them for that. and we still have the other top players. :)
..thanks, Inky2000, for shedding some light on this matter and providing a bit of background infos...Overall, yes, I think this is just an unfortunate timing issue..
My hunch is(which is almost the same as taneepak's), the Thai team/squad wants to participate in the WC but at the same time the team really respects the King: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bhumibol_Adulyadej (according to his info, he was born on Dec. 5, 1927).:p
Thus they are willing not to participate in the WC as a sign of respect to the King's request for them to participate in the Universiade instead..;):cool:

[taneepak]

I was on a work assignment in Thailand for about 3 months many years back. I and a companion were fortunate enough to be the only dinner guests of a nephew of the Thai King and his Australian wife. The respect, loyalty and reverence for even a relatively distant relative, from all his "palace" personnel, have left me a deep and lasting impression.

[CLELY]

The Universiade, one of international multi-sport event where THA as the host for summer univ.games this year. It makes sense for Thai Bdm to choose this event rather than World Badminton Championship. THA peoples are very respect to His Majesty and this event is one tribute for year-long celebrations of King Bhumibol's 80th birthday.

Boonsak and compatriots can participate again in next edition, 2009 New Delhi WC but Universiade at homeground, no second chance. Last year we missed KJ now Boonsak and who's next to withdraw from KL world meet? Seems TH.

[robin7]

Loyalty to the King, lucrative prize money and timing are the three main reasons why THA team skipped the WC, as simple as that.

[KillerT]

Drop all of da Thais Player for WC just becoz of da Uni Games ? how on earth this happen ????

Please do not talk in txtish. There are a number of members here who want to communicate in plain, clear english, and if you want to be taken seriously, it would pay for you to speak in plain, clear english.

[indra]

I was on a work assignment in Thailand for about 3 months many years back. I and a companion were fortunate enough to be the only dinner guests of a nephew of the Thai King and his Australian wife. The respect, loyalty and reverence for even a relatively distant relative, from all his "palace" personnel, have left me a deep and lasting impression.

Yes...last year when I was attending the opening of an international meeting in celebration of the King's daughter [Princess] in Bangkok, the event organizers/committee who were on the same stage with the Princess had to sit with the knees bent and folded back to one side when giving something (a speeh text to be read by the Princess) ...Wow ...you can imagine...:)

[Darien]

if CHN are the one to withdrew, what will happen? Malaysia champion already....kakakaak!

[pjswift]

If I were a Thai athlete, despite no obligation for Thai athletes to participate in the World University Game, I would rather play in Bangkok, which offers lucrative prizes than participate in the WC....Money is more important than prestige...It is very simple...Money speaks louder than prestige ...
I believe Boonsak and teammates are more respectable than that. Even if no money was involved, they would also be there to honour their King. The fact that BAT gave such short notice suggests they were in a dilemma and had to wait for some last minute decision before they can finalise theirs.
But I would look on the brighter side and regard it as a compliment for Thai Badminton. It means that badminton as a sport is not to be missed (meaning important) as part of their King's 80th Birthday celebrations.It's great recognition for badminton in Thailand!
But I shall miss my dream BP vs LCW WC final. Well, will have to wait for JO07 then.
Maybe BWF should do more thorough homework....

[ants]

The players respect their KING. I wouldnt blame them for withdrawing.

[huangkwokhau]

There will be another WC for Thais in future...Thai people respect King so much...so I understand their decision plus Thai badminton committee had negotiated with WBF already...it is sad that they could not agree with the alternative date for WC.

[ctjcad]

..here's an article i found from bulutangkis.com, taken from a Malaysian newspaper..www.bharian.com.my
Basically, in the article, the main point of disagreement is between Charoen Wattanasin(Head of Badminton Thailand) and BWF's reluctance in changing and adjusting the date of the World Championships, in consideration of the Universiade. According to Charoen, BWF knew about the Universiade event a yr ago, but simply disregard it as an "unimportant" event...He "blames" BWF for not prioritizing and taking into consideration the full attendance and availability of all participants. Essentially, according to Charoen, it was BWF's insistence which ultimately derailed the Thai's squad in competing in this yr's WC..:p
*Personally, though, i see it as both parties not wanting to come to a compromise..:p
Can our M'sian members or anyone help us with the translation??..ie.robin7, Dreamzz, indra & huangkwokhau??..thanks in advance;):cool:
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Charoen bidas sikap angkuh IBF
Oleh admin
Kamis, 26-Juli-2007, 07:47:21 98 klik

PRESIDEN Persatuan Badminton Thailand (BAT,) Charoen Wattanasin membidas Persekutuan Badminton Dunia (BWF) atas sikap angkuh enggan mengubah tarikh Kejohanan Dunia yang bertembung dengan Sukan Universiti Dunia, sekali gus menafikan peluang daripada beraksi dalam pertandingan itu dari 13 hingga 19 Ogos ini.

Oleh: Lukman Salleh

PRESIDEN Persatuan Badminton Thailand (BAT,) Charoen Wattanasin membidas Persekutuan Badminton Dunia (BWF) atas sikap angkuh enggan mengubah tarikh Kejohanan Dunia yang bertembung dengan Sukan Universiti Dunia, sekali gus menafikan peluang daripada beraksi dalam pertandingan itu dari 13 hingga 19 Ogos ini.

Geram dengan tindak tanduk pengurusan BWF yang disifatkannya sebagai huru hara, Charoen berkata badan induk itu seharusnya mempunyai rasa tanggungjawab untuk memastikan semua pemain yang layak dapat beraksi pada kejohanan itu dan mengelakkannya daripada pertembungan dengan temasya lain.

Malangnya, walaupun mengetahui kalendar Kejohanan Universiti Dunia yang akan diadakan di Bangkok dari 8 hingga 18 Ogos itu lebih setahun yang lalu, BWF tetap bertegas untuk tidak mengubahnya kerana menganggap sukan universiti adalah satu temasya kecil.

''Saya cukup kecewa dan marah dengan tindakan dan sikap angkuh BWF,'' kata Charoen ketika dihubungi di Thailand semalam. ''BWF sudah mengetahui mengenai kalendar dunia lebih setahun lalu dan saya juga sudah membangkit mengenai perkara ini tetapi mereka buat tidak endah saja.''

''Saya marah dengan sikap BWF yang tidak cuba untuk menjaga perasaan ahli gabungan dan kepentingan badminton dunia.''

''Akibat sikap angkuh BWF itu, semua pemain Thailand yang melayakkan diri Kejohanan Dunia termasuk Boonsak (Ponsana) kini tidak akan beraksi di Kuala Lumpur kerana mereka akan beraksi dalam Sukan Universiti Dunia.''

''Lagipun kerajaan Thailand menawarkan ganjaran 1 juta bhat (RM103,000) jika ada atlit kami yang berjaya memenangi emas pada sukan itu,'' kata Charoen.

Ketiadaan kelibat pemain Thailand akan menjejaskan sedikit kemeriahan temasya ini terutama penampilan pemain perseorangan utama Boonsak yang mampu menarik penonton dan menjadikan saingan lebih hangat.

Bagi Charoen, BWF harus dipertanggungjawabkan bagi masalah itu kerana enggan mengubah tarikh itu walaupun sudah dimaklumkan lebih awal.

''Untuk menyatakan Sukan Universiti Dunia adalah kecil jika dibandingkan dengan Kejohanan Dunia sebagai alasan untuk tidak menganjak tarikh adalah perkara yang tidak masuk akal,'' kata Charoen, yang turut menyifatkan pentadbiran BWF ketika ini dalam keadaan huru hara sehingga banyak keputusan yang membangkitkan persoalan.

''Saya simpati dengan pemain saya kerana mereka mahu beraksi dalam Kejohanan Dunia tetapi apa yang boleh mereka buat selain daripada memberi keutamaan kepada Sukan Universiti Dunia yang negara kami anjurkan,'' katanya.(bharian.com.my)

[cooler]

i think it's just an unfortunate coincidence of having conflicting schedule. Both parties have their own agenda to follow.

[Vtec101]

I really don't see how anyone can blame the Thai players. Like someone said, I'm sure they were in a pickle over what event to play. But I would have to agree with their decision to stay in Thailand just to help celebrate the King's birthday. There will be other WC to play in, but the King's 80th is only once in a lifetime.

[Kioskla]

Professional players compete in amateur event. Does it make sense??

[shanisen3200]

Yes, it does not make the sense in my opinion.
But this this only once in life time to compete for King's Birthday Celebrations,
if I were thai people , I will do like this.

[huangkwokhau]

As reported by Badzine..Chen Hong will participate also....expect CH vs Boonsak in final

[dunker]

Hmm, maybe we can enrole WCH in one of the universitys and get him to join too! Just kidding...but I dont think this is such a big deal. There is always next year.

[azabaz_ipoh]

not a bad idea. WCH could apply to do online course. so he could compete in the university games. :D at the very least, it will make the games more interesting. :)

[huangkwokhau]

actually I did not realize that CH is taking Master at Beijing university...I am wondering what subject he takes....

[ants]

Thai Team is doing the right thing. Most of them will be graduating soon.

[abedeng]

Charoen Slammes IBF's Arrogance
By Lukman Salleh (translated by Abe Deng)
Thursday, 26 July 2007

The President of the Badminton Association of Thailand (BAT) Charoen Wattanasin slammed the Badminton World Federation (BWF) for standing its ground and failing to reconsider changing the dates for the coming World Championships, scheduled at about the same time as that of the World University Games, thereby ensuring that his players will not able to see action in the Championships from 13 - 19 August.

Angered with the actions of the BWF management which he deemed as chaotic, Charoen said that the world body should have held the responsibility to ensure that all qualified players are able to play in the championships and that the dates do not clash with other events.

Unfortunately, despite knowing of the Bangkok World University Games calendar of events more than a year ago, the BWF still insisted to maintain its dates as it felt that the university games was only an insignificant event.

"I am very disappointed and angry with the actions and arrogance shown by the BWF," Charoen quoted when called in Thailand yesterday. "The BWF was already aware of the University Games' calendar of events more than a year ago, and I have also highlighted on this but they just didn't bother."

"I am angry with the BWF's stand, which did not try to show compassion towards the feelings of member associations and the needs of the badminton world."

"Because of the BWF's show of arrogance, all Thailand players who have qualified for the World Championships including Boonsak (Ponsana) will now no longer participate in Kuala Lumpur since they are in action in the World University Games."

"Furthermore, the Government of Thailand has offered 1 million bhat (RM103,000) if any of our athletes win gold in the games," said Charoen.

The withdrawal of Thailand's players will more or less affect the championships, especially their top singles player Boonsak, who is capable of drawing large crowds and make the championships even more competitive.

For Charoen, the BWF must take the responsibility for this issue since it is adamant at not changing the schedule despite being informed in advance.

"To say that the World University Games is small compared to the World Championships as a reason for not changing the dates is nonesense," said Charoen, who felt that the BWF's administration at this point as chaotic with so many questionable decisions.

"I sympathize with my players as they wanted to participate in the World Championships but what can they do now, other than giving priority to the World University Games that we are hosting," he said.

From bharian.com.my

[darenong]

" .... changing the dates for the coming World Championships .... " its like changing Olympic games date for say ermm ... i dunno some event .... what is the reason for this .... completely unacceptable .... why there wasnt any initiative for changing the University Games ???? humblely .. id say ... its Selfishness vs "arrogance ?" ??? actually im speechless hehe .. dun flame me im just a reader with an opinion ....

[robin7]

Charoen Slammes IBF's Arrogance
By Lukman Salleh (translated by Abe Deng)
Thursday, 26 July 2007

The President of the Badminton Association of Thailand (BAT) Charoen Wattanasin slammed the Badminton World Federation (BWF) for standing its ground and failing to reconsider changing the dates for the coming World Championships, scheduled at about the same time as that of the World University Games, thereby ensuring that his players will not able to see action in the Championships from 13 - 19 August.


Ade Deng, good translation!:)

I only managed to do some translation for the 1st paragraph:

Charoen Criticised BWF's Arrogance

The President of the Badminton Association of Thailand (BAT) Charoen Wattanasin criticised the Badminton World Federation (BWF) for being insistent not to adjust the dates for the coming World Championships, which clashes with the World University Games, ultimately derailed his players in competing in the Championships from 13 - 19 August.

[Felicia_txh]

It's totally ridiculous..It's up to Boonsak to decide which event he wants to take part..WC n World University Games..In world U games,not many tough opponent compare to WC...;)

[ctjcad]

Charoen Slammes IBF's Arrogance
By Lukman Salleh (translated by Abe Deng)
Thursday, 26 July 2007
..abedeng, for helping out with the translation..;):cool:

" .... changing the dates for the coming World Championships .... " its like changing Olympic games date for say ermm ... i dunno some event .... what is the reason for this .... completely unacceptable .... why there wasnt any initiative for changing the University Games ???? humblely .. id say ... its Selfishness vs "arrogance ?" ??? actually im speechless hehe .. dun flame me im just a reader with an opinion ....
..yeah, as i mentioned before, both parties should've come to somekind of a compromise(moving back or forward the dates of either events)..Imagine if it was team China, being put in the Thai squad's position..Which side would give in?? Team China or BWF??..:confused::p

[ants]

You cant compromise with the King. I mean for the players.

[ctjcad]

You cant compromise with the King. I mean for the players.
..the BWF would've moved back or forward the dates of the World Championships, would the Thai team, or King, honor that and participate? If just for the sake of having everyone on the same boat??..:confused:

[huangkwokhau]

Thai people respect King so much..whatever King wishes, Thai people will obey...we can see that most Thai people wear YELLOW shirt every monday to honor King's favorite color....

[huangkwokhau]

Actually one of my good friend's auntie is a secretary for the Queen and his mother used to be " lady in the waiting" ( pls do not ask me this term...I dare not ask him either)...his family is quite known and rich in Thailand...it is so interesting to hear stories inside the kingdom from lovely princes to playboy prince...anyway..it is off topic...

[abedeng]

I really don't know which one had set their dates first, the Thais for the World Uni Games or the BWF for the WC. But obviously, for the past year, both weren't willing to compromise.

I can understand the Thais position, when it comes to Royalty, you do not want to change preset plans. Can't really comment on whether there is arrogance involved etc. Though I must say Chris brings a good point, what happens if a top drawer China team cannot make it?

However, Charoen Wattanassin was a long time BWF (then IBF) top official, I am sure he would have had knowledge of the inner workings of BWF.

[pjswift]

..the BWF would've moved back or forward the dates of the World Championships, would the Thai team, or King, honor that and participate? If just for the sake of having everyone on the same boat??..:confused:
Agree with Ants. Anyway, BWF change AE dates so it won't clash with Commonwealth Games last year, didn't they? And if a whole tournament can be cancelled (HKO5?) , what's so difficult about just moving dates by a week or so for the Thai King once every 10+ years when BWF has been notified 1 year or more ago?

[darenong]

Agree with Ants. Anyway, BWF change AE dates so it won't clash with Commonwealth Games last year, didn't they? And if a whole tournament can be cancelled (HKO5?) , what's so difficult about just moving dates by a week or so for the Thai King once every 10+ years when BWF has been notified 1 year or more ago?

... bcos of the remaining matches in the other part of the world ? :) or maybe they were too tied up to open a discussion to fix all the games in the year ... all the satellite ss series etc etc im sure they din do it bcos thailand is not consider top powerhouse .. im sure they thought of best ways for thailand ... but the work that needs to be done in order to prepare for 1 yr schedule is too much to be altered considering ALLLLLLL the parties involved ... and explaining to 1 thailand is easier than to explain to the rest of the world why change dates n wats need to be done bla bla bla ...... :p

[abedeng]

Ok, but Chris's question will need to be addressed, would BWF do the same, knowing that spectator attendance will be affected if the best badminton nation (China) withdraws?

[darenong]

china is powerhouse with MILLION viewers from china and all chinese from all over the world and fans of china team ... if they do it ... it`ll be a catastrophe ? hahah bwf will have millions of letters from fans and sponsors, tv network etc etc ... it`ll be hell for bwf ? i do think so ... but then just my opinion .... no supporting fact hehehehe :P if malaysia were to withdraw ill be the first to write a complain letter hahahahahahh cos lee chong wei is 'now' my fren and i wan to see him in action hehe (yeah i got to met him thru his fren which is also my fren and eventually we 'are' fren kekeke :P)

[ctjcad]

Agree with Ants. Anyway, BWF change AE dates so it won't clash with Commonwealth Games last year, didn't they? And if a whole tournament can be cancelled (HKO5?) , what's so difficult about just moving dates by a week or so for the Thai King once every 10+ years when BWF has been notified 1 year or more ago?
..also the point i'm trying to point out;)...But this case seems to turn out more and more that BWF doesn't feel "affected" by the absence of the Thai squad, eventhough they might've said, as translated by abedeng, "The withdrawal of Thailand's players will more or less affect the championships, especially their top singles player Boonsak, who is capable of drawing large crowds and make the championships even more competitive."..IF they(BWF) really care and would present all the top players during this WC, they would've "fought" and figured out the best possible way for a compromise...wouldn't you think so??..:rolleyes::confused:
Again, would BWF "fight" really hard if the CHN squad or INA squad decides to pull out of the WC, just because they have their own agenda??..:confused:
*As i'm looking at the month of August in BWF's calendar, i don't see any other major tourneys on tap, except the WC. And moving it 1 week ahead or later shouldn't be a problem...:p

[jasonmarc]

There is nothing too surprise......Thai's Goverment offer 1 million bath for a gold.....i think Thai players are sure to win gold in the related championship.....compared to WC07...the competition is way toooooo strong and the thai may go home empty handed....

[huangkwokhau]

There is nothing too surprise......Thai's Goverment offer 1 million bath for a gold.....i think Thai players are sure to win gold in the related championship.....compared to WC07...the competition is way toooooo strong and the thai may go home empty handed....
1 million bath is about US$ 30000....CHINA send s strong team also with Chen Hong, Wang Lin/Wang Yi Han plus Qian Tian/Pan pan...enough to tackle Thais or INA..

[ctjcad]

There is nothing too surprise......Thai's Goverment offer 1 million bath for a gold.....i think Thai players are sure to win gold in the related championship.....compared to WC07...the competition is way toooooo strong and the thai may go home empty handed....
..the Thai squad competed in the last 2 editions of the WC, didn't they?? even if it didn't offer any prize monies??..:confused:;)

[k-a-n-t]

I don't think it's cause money Thais not go to WC2007. The Universiade is a part of our King's 80th Birthday celebrations. And Boonsak is very famous in Thai people. & In 12 Aug is Queen's Birthday of Thailand. It's during the game!!!!So I think P'Man (Boonsak) must make hard dicision.Money not the first reason to choose to play in BKK :)

[hcyong]

World University Games? Come on, give me a break... (so, call me arrogant) Who would have thought that professional badminton players are eligible for these kind of games? It's a total whitewash when you allow professionals in.

I understand the respect given to the King, but Thais must also understand that for BWF to capitulate the World Championships to the World University Games would be capitulating too much.

[Han]

I don't think it's cause money Thais not go to WC2007. The Universiade is a part of our King's 80th Birthday celebrations. And Boonsak is very famous in Thai people. & In 12 Aug is Queen's Birthday of Thailand. It's during the game!!!!So I think P'Man (Boonsak) must make hard dicision.Money not the first reason to choose to play in BKK :)

Imagine if the similar situation happen in Malaysia, King/Sultan birthday and every country sport persons are asked to attend, you think any one dare to skip to attend other international event? Players are caught in the bad situation, don't blame them.

[huangkwokhau]

World University Games? Come on, give me a break... (so, call me arrogant) Who would have thought that professional badminton players are eligible for these kind of games? It's a total whitewash when you allow professionals in.

I understand the respect given to the King, but Thais must also understand that for BWF to capitulate the World Championships to the World University Games would be capitulating too much.

I think you have to understand the Thia's culture.....it is easy for you to decide but for King's 80th birthday is very very big deal.....My friend's parent, actually his mother used to be " lady in waiting" is due to go back to Thailand this week to celebrate King's birthday....

Also Thai players have a batter chances to grab medals than WC....

[samuel882]

Different Countries have their own Loyalty to respect.. Pls dont keeps criticizing the Thai Kingdom and respect their Decison.. There will be more chances for us to witness Boonsak's Play in the coming future..

[huangkwokhau]

Different Countries have their own Loyalty to respect.. Pls dont keeps criticizing the Thai Kingdom and respect their Decison.. There will be more chances for us to witness Boonsak's Play in the coming future..
Omnidaohut?amitaba... Xian cai..xian cai...( thats Buddhist say..like Amen)

[samuel882]

Thai Peoples will said: "Kop Pun Kap.. Chan Lap ter "
(Thank you, I LOVE U)
if we stop criticizing their countries here;)

[hcyong]

I think you have to understand the Thia's culture.....it is easy for you to decide but for King's 80th birthday is very very big deal.....My friend's parent, actually his mother used to be " lady in waiting" is due to go back to Thailand this week to celebrate King's birthday....

Also Thai players have a batter chances to grab medals than WC....

I don't dispute you.

But that does not mean BWF should change the schedule to accomodate that. It's absurd for the Thai BA guy to feel so incredulous.

It's basically a situation that cannot be resolved:
1. Thais respect their King.
2. You cannot expect the schedule for the World U Games to change because what makes badminton more important than other sports? (the Games is a multi-sport event).
3. You also cannot expect BWF to change its premier event schedule to accomodate a university-level event.

No one should grumble about unfair treatment.

[k-a-n-t]

Thai Peoples will said: "Kop Pun Kap.. Chan Lap ter "
(Thank you, I LOVE U)
if we stop criticizing their countries here;)


Thais says : Kop Khun krab(for man)and kob khun ka (for women)

Chan rak ter = I Love You ^_^


kob khun ka too :)

[samuel882]

Thais says : Kop Khun krab(for man)and kob khun ka (for women)

Chan rak ter = I Love You ^_^


kob khun ka too :)

Thanks for correcting my awful Thai here ;)

[pjswift]

World University Games? Come on, give me a break... (so, call me arrogant) Who would have thought that professional badminton players are eligible for these kind of games? It's a total whitewash when you allow professionals in.

I understand the respect given to the King, but Thais must also understand that for BWF to capitulate the World Championships to the World University Games would be capitulating too much.
It gives me great pleasure to call you 'arrogant' because this is a rare opportunity to do so since none of your posts have ever been near that. Agree with you it's weird to allow professionals to play in amateur games but I suppose the rules must be quite loose there.
Don't think BAT is asking BWF to capitulate but more to compromise by 1 week or so and BWF have 1 month of space to play around with plus it's not like BWF was notified only last month; the request was put in with more than a year's notice.
How do you explain BWF changing its tournament schedules around for the Commonwealth Games last year?
How do you explain BWF allowing CHN to change its WD entries (although I'm happy with that rule breaking) at the last minute?
How do you explain BWF...I could have gone on but ran out of data.....

[hcyong]

How do you explain BWF changing its tournament schedules around for the Commonwealth Games last year?
How do you explain BWF allowing CHN to change its WD entries (although I'm happy with that rule breaking) at the last minute?
How do you explain BWF...I could have gone on but ran out of data.....

1. The Commonwealth Games is a senior-level Games involving some pretty strong badminton nations. And it's not the World Championships they are re-scheduling.

2. It's in the written regulations.

3. I can't explain.

[ronnie14]

huhuhuhuhuhuuhuhuhu...bad news tho..hahha

[madturtle]

Loyalty to the King, lucrative prize money and timing are the three main reasons why THA team skipped the WC, as simple as that.

I think you are being very unfair. We don't know much about why they pulled out other than from these reports posted here. I believe these players would rather have participated in the WC.

I remember Boonsak saying that he was aiming for WC glory when he won the Singapore Open in June, so i don't think they could have 'planned' this withdrawal. IMO, there's lots of internal politics involved. If the association wants them to withdraw, what can they do?