MS Seeding

Speaking a MAS fan with desire of LCW win

LD
LCW

CJ
BCL
BCL is preferred opponent for SF v LCW but if national separation rule applies, CJ will automatically go to bottom half

PG
CY
KJ
TH
KJ is probably the weakest QF seeded candidate on present form. Excellent if PG and TH in top half.

SONY
SATO
SUSILO
WACHA
HAFIZ
PARKSH
PALYAMA
SANTOSO
Sato, Palyama or even Wacha will be weakest for R16. Hafiz will be in top half by national separation rule. Sony, Susilo and PSH probably most troublesome of 9-16 seeds.

Be fantastic if LD draws Lee Hyun Il R1 - maybe he will do a Susilo on LD and ease the way a bit for MAS audience:)

MD - As expected Koo/Tan and Cai/Fu are seperated, what is not expected is the KOR pairs of JJS/LYD and LJJ/HJM did not get a top 8 seeding. C'mon, other than the MAS and CHN pairs, only these two have ever won titles this year ......

really weird the KOREA pairs was seeded out here:confused::rolleyes:

I'm not too surprised by that...fine, they won one of the SS tourneys but there are lots of tourneys that they didn't participate this year esp JJS/LYD...maybe it's a small shocker that Fairuzizuan/Zakry are seeded in the top 8:confused:, other than that, everything goes according to predictions for me :)

In normal circumstances & Base on the speculation of the outcome after seeding reportsd, the QF MS match line-up would be look like this:-
1. LD vs TH
2. LCW vs KJ
3. CJ vs CY
4. BCL vs PG

Can somebody explain the seeding rules? For me, MD seeding looks strange... They used the present rank list, but for some pairs the points were recalculated, taking into account number of tournaments (Latif/Tazari and Boe/Fischer). Maybe this is a good idea, but why it was applied only to these two pairs? If it is applied to all the pairs, TG/CW would have the 4th place, LJJ/HJM would be #8 and JJS/LYD would be #6.

I agree with u there, Dmitry.

Really don't know how to put this, having the Koreans out of the top 8 seeding. I mean, they could very easily take out any of the top 8. So this is not necessarily good news for the top 8, including the 4 MAS MD seeds.

Same goes for WD, the 2 Lees are seeded 9th, when in actual ability, they are probably better than the rest except top 3 CHN pairs.

Can somebody explain the seeding rules? For me, MD seeding looks strange... They used the present rank list, but for some pairs the points were recalculated, taking into account number of tournaments (Latif/Tazari and Boe/Fischer). Maybe this is a good idea, but why it was applied only to these two pairs? If it is applied to all the pairs, TG/CW would have the 4th place, LJJ/HJM would be #8 and JJS/LYD would be #6.

This is the official rule on the World Championship seeding arrangement:


7. SEEDING
The World Championships shall be seeded in accordance with Competition Regulation 12, except that the number of seeds shall be 16 in all events.


The relevant part of the Competition Regulation 12 is as follows: (esp. 12.6.2 for double pairing)


12.5 The seeding of the draw at all BWF-sanctioned events shall be done using the most recently-published World Ranking. In each event, the entry which is ranked highest shall be seeded number 1, and the next highest number 2, and so on until all seeds required by Regulation 12.7 are decided.

12.6 Before implementing Regulation 12.5 in doubles events in which the BWF does the seeding, the World Ranking of each pair who did not compete together for the 12 months preceding the ranking period shall be modified for seeding purposes when Regulation 12.6.1 or 12.6.2 applies.
12.6.1 If a pair has no World Ranking, a notional ranking is calculated for the pair. An average (the "notional" average) is taken of the best average points scored by each of the two players with other partners. This notional average is converted into the total notional points for the pair by multiplying by 10 and taking 80%. The notional points are used to determine a notional ranking.
12.6.2 If the two players have a World Ranking as a pair but have competed in fewer than eight events in the 52 week period, an adjusted ranking is produced by taking the pair’s World Ranking points and adjusting as follows:
12.6.3 The resulting notional ranking as in 12.6.1 or adjusted ranking as in 12.6.2 is used to determine the seeding position.
12.6.4 A pair may have a seeding from one to four on the basis of any World Ranking, but a seeding no higher than five based on any notional ranking.

12.7 To seek even strength throughout the draw and to avoid players from one Member Association meeting in the early rounds, the draw may be seeded or arranged subject to the following restrictions:
12.7.1 A maximum of 16 seeds if there are 64 or more entries;
a maximum of eight seeds if there are 32 to 63 entries;
a maximum of four seeds if there are 16 to 31 entries; or
two seeds if there are less than 16 entries.
12.7.2 The seeded entries shall be selected as the best in the event at that time.
12.7.3 Seeded entries shall be placed as detailed in the example draw in Diagram 2. Seeded entries in the top half of the draw are placed at the top half of their sections (eg eighths or sixteenths), and in the bottom half of the draw at the bottom of their sections.

12.8 The top two seeded entries shall be dealt with as follows:
12.8.1 number 1 placed at the top of the draw; and
12.8.2 number 2 placed at the bottom of the draw.

MS is about rite, though I was expecting one of Sony/Susilo/Wacha combo to topple Kenneth for a top 8 seeding. All 3 had pretty decent performances this past few months, but Kenneth has dropped since INA Open.

WS seeding is the fairest, it's a shame the TPE tomboy CSC and cute injured Eriko are not competing, they can really make life a nightmare for the Chinese. Nvm, we still have the ex-CHN discards + WMC, Yippie, Petya and Schenk.

In XD, I would have expected Flandy/Vita to be given top 4 seeding, they are the most consistent there is after GL/ZB. Definitely miles better than Xie Zhongbo/Zhang Yawen. And Han Sang Hoon/Hwang Yu Mi should be in top 8, replacing Laybourn/Juhl.

Well, Bao beat LCW in the last WC so maybe it's good that Bao is avoided this time.

Further to my post #9, there is a table missing that clause 12.6.2 was refering to on how to adjust the ranking points. Here is the table:

PSH might be able to surprise KJ here

JJS/LYD have only 7 events, so their points should be recalculated with a factor of 10/7, right? In this case they would be within top 8.

If LD (s1), CJ (s3), BCL (s4) & CY (s6) will be placed in different quarters (is there a rule?), then LCW will face a CHN player in QF & so the draw would be:

(1) LD vs TH in QF
| 1 8 | 5 3 | 4 7 | 6 2 |
|LD TH|PG CJ|BCL KJ|CY LCW|

OR

(2) LD vs TH in SF
| 1 5 | 8 3 | 4 7 | 6 2 |
|LD PG|TH CJ|BCL KJ|CY LCW|

OR

(3) LD vs TH in SF
| 1 7 | 8 3 | 4 5 | 6 2 |
|LD KJ|TH CJ|BCL PG|CY LCW|

OR

(4) LCW vs TH in SF
| 1 7 | 5 3 | 4 8 | 6 2 |
|LD KJ|PG CJ|BCL TH|CY LCW|
(Note: Not sure whether PG & KJ can be placed in the half. Is there a rule?)

According to WC rules & regulations.. Players frm the same countries will be apart in R1, R2, R3, Round of 16. Not for QF !
So at least 2 of the CHN players will be expected to meet each others in QF

JJS/LYD have only 7 events, so their points should be recalculated with a factor of 10/7, right? In this case they would be within top 8.
Based on the table (http://www.internationalbadminton.org/WCHOpen/SeedingReport_MD.xls), I noticed that the multiplying factor only applied to those played not more than 5 tournaments (MAS & DEN pairs).

According to WC rules & regulations.. Players frm the same countries will be apart in R1, R2, R3, Round of 16. Not for QF !
So at least 2 of the CHN players will be expected to meet each others in QF
OIC...I think u r right. Thanks.:)
That's mean it could be a possibility of having all CHN semi-finals since they're seeded in top 8.

The draw postponed to 6 p.m., and the seeding has changed! Boe/Fischer are excluded from the seeds (why?), but the points of JJS/LYD were not recalculated (why?)... Also, the WD seeds (and entries) have changed: now Du/Yu play. I don't remember what were the XD seeds yesterday, maybe they are changed too... What a mess!:mad:

The draw postponed to 6 p.m., and the seeding has changed! Boe/Fischer are excluded from the seeds (why?), but the points of JJS/LYD were not recalculated (why?)... Also, the WD seeds (and entries) have changed: now Du/Yu play. I don't remember what were the XD seeds yesterday, maybe they are changed too... What a mess!:mad:

Last minutes withdrawal of some players which BWF js received the confirmation letters make all the things mess up.

Last minutes withdrawal of some players which BWF js received the confirmation letters make all the things mess up.
..what's been posted in the official website are the correct & updated draws..Yeah, (last minute) pullouts & withdrawals are never a pleasant scenario..:p