BAM say ‘no’ to Sairul’s participation
the star online (http://thestar.com.my/sports/story.asp?file=/2007/8/4/sports/18503936&sec=sports)


SUBANG: The Badminton Association of Malaysia (BAM) have decided not to endorse the participation of KLRC Bhd’s Sairul Amar Ayob in the men’s singles event of the World Championships.
Yesterday, BAM president Datuk Nadzmi Mohd Salleh said they did not want to set a precedent by accepting a wild card entry from the Badminton World Federation (BWF) for Sairul.
The BWF rule clearly states that a country can have a maximum of four players. And Malaysia already have four players in the meet – Lee Chong Wei, Lee Tsuen Seng (of KLRC Bhd) and the Hashim brothers from Nusa Mahsuri – Hafiz and Roslin.
“We want to abide by the rule. I have received a request from the BWF to accept Sairul as a wild card entry for the world meet. But, by doing so, we are opening ourselves to new battlefronts,” said Nadzmi.
“We do not want to be blamed by others for it. Some other countries may complain and some may even question why pick Sairul and not other higher ranked players.”
There are two Malaysian players ranked higher than Sairul, the world number 28. They are Wong Choong Hann (15th) and Yeoh Kay Bin (24th). “It is best that we do not change the existing rule. If not, the whole system will be broken and there will only be more problems.”

hm...why not choose WCH then?o one will blame Malaysia, right? as WCH is highest player left....

I believe BAM do it right coz it will be fair to other countries also

I pity Sairul, but BAM did the right thing.

it's an invitation from bwf, what so unfair about that?

I pity Sairul, but BAM did the right thing.
BAM should ask BWF to invite WCH...:cool::cool:

BAM should ask BWF to invite WCH...:cool::cool:
maybe the bwf is scare of an upset at the WC:D

maybe the bwf is scare of an upset at the WC:D
For God's sake...WCH has shorter life.....:D:D BAM should give him a break...I think WCH may be too old for next WC ( 2009):(:(..trust me..there will be some withdrawals too.....see who is lucky to get those BYEs

For God's sake...WCH has shorter life.....:D:D BAM should give him a break...I think WCH may be too old for next WC ( 2009):(:(..trust me..there will be some withdrawals too.....see who is lucky to get those BYEsu got me wrong, i would support WCH as a wild card. Maybe bwf has their reason to pick sairul and not wch;) actually, wch should be 1 of the 4 MAL MS roster, better hope than H. Hafiz.

u got me wrong, i would support WCH as a wild card. Maybe bwf has their reason to pick sairul and not wch;)

Yeah.....hm.....cant wait to be there for qtr finals....hopefully my favorites are still alive by then...;);)

u got me wrong, i would support WCH as a wild card. Maybe bwf has their reason to pick sairul and not wch;) actually, wch should be 1 of the 4 MAL MS roster, better hope than H. Hafiz.

Mayb BWF want to payback Sairul due to wrong judgementon him of the doping charges against him last year I fink...:rolleyes:

Mayb BWF want to payback Sairul due to wrong judgementon him of the doping charges against him last year I fink...:rolleyes:



oh,,is that the reason??? wrong judgement from BWF? Sairul should have sued BWF for monetary....since no prize money in WC...

I fink Sairul just a bad luck last year as the 1st doping results on him shows positive while the 2nd shows negative..
The different between those 2 results is take a couple of months.. So BWF banned him from any competitions during those periods..
Sairul cant sued BWF coz it is the rules

I pity Sairul, but BAM did the right thing.
But what on earth is BWF up to? And why Sairul??

The principle (I don't have knowldge of minutiae of the rules) is that each country is allowed a max of 4 entrants per event. BWF should not have used wildcard system to upset this as this is an accepted way of "maximising the sharing of honours" and maintaining wider international interest in events (Baddie Olympics allow a max of 3 entrants if all 3 in top 4 ranking - much more onerous still, partly because field is smaller and partly I guess to widen participation). One can debate whether individuals' rights are trampled by this kind of restriction but this is an uncontroversial mechanism.

If they want to have a means of bypassing national associations (unfairly) victimising their own (deserving by ranking) players or to allow a major player newly returned from injury with no ranking or allow a player with country representation dispute to participate, then the rule should be changed to state that BWF wildcards if they accept invitation ranks first amongst the countries entitlements.

I suppose if the principle is that BWF w'card becomes BWF representative and supranational and that principle was applied in this invitation allowing 5th participant. Bit iffy rationale and begs the question why Sairul?

I remember that a Msian player was caught up in a performance drug dispute and was eventually exonerated. Was this "compensation"? If so, this is even worse rationale. No sports body should be soft on performance drugs and must set up a robust testing system. If the system is scrupulously applied, that's it; no hint of apology even if player was later exonerated. If any deficiency in the system is identified, the system must be fixed pronto and if a player is clearly prejudiced by the defective system this must be openly acknowledged and the remedy publicised (for system and player). TRANSPARENCY RULES.

That's all because this ridiculous rule on quotas. Even some ranked 80th in the world still can play, why not Sairul who's 28th in the world?

Even World number 2 cannot qualified for the so called "World Championship", I have never heard any world championship disallow the second best (by its own official ranking) in the world to compete! What a joke!!!

Some sports, like chess or heavy weight boxing, let only the top 2 fight to determine who's the best in the world. While badminton kicks out one of the top 2, and then determine who's the best, What a joke!!!

Never apply quotas to the seeds! Even they want more under developed counties in the game, please don't kick out the seeds. At least Chen Hong and Wong CH should be given wild cards to play.

CHN did has been given a chance to pick the top 4 players inside the Top 8 in WR for competing in this WC. Its CHN choice for omitting CH & I fink BWF can do nothing about it...

Is there any expert or insider who knows why BWF gave Sairul Amar Ayob a wild card?

It is particular ridiculous.

3) It's ridiculous because Malaysia already has 4 players

2) It's more ridiculous because, Sairul's ranked just 7th within the Malaysia players, Wong CH ranked the 2nd in Malaysia and Yeoh KB the 5th haven't received any consideration for wild card yet. How come BWF picked Sairul?

1) It's the most ridiculous thing that Sairul was doping last year. So BWF decided to give Sairul wild card to promote doping?

Is there any expert or insider who knows why BWF gave Sairul Amar Ayob a wild card?

It is particular ridiculous.

1) It's the most ridiculous thing that Sairul was doping last year. So BWF decided to give Sairul wild card to promote doping?

Sairul has been cleared from doping charges by BWF itself.. Mayb there is the reason behind for BWF to include him as a wild card entry for WC

Sairul has been cleared from doping charges by BWF itself.. Mayb there is the reason behind for BWF to include him as a wild card entry for WC

Thanks for the info. Maybe that's the reason. BWF messed up the sample? How to clear the positive doping test results?

If Sairul is clear, I guess since BWF has no money to compensate Sairul for his loss in reputation. A wild card at WC is a cheap solution at the cost of other players.

sorry for not reading the whole thread.

If Sairul passed the 2nd testing but failed the 1st, then it just means that he stopped doping during the interval, BWF owes him nothing. If BWF messed up the sample, then Sairul should get compensation from BWF.

sorry for not reading the whole thread.

If Sairul passed the 2nd testing but failed the 1st, then it just means that he stopped doping during the interval, BWF owes him nothing. If BWF messed up the sample, then Sairul should get compensation from BWF.
Any doping test conduct by Official panel of IOC, there should be one single samples .. The Test will be conducted once. However, If the 1st test shows positive. The panel needs to conduct a second test to confirm there was no mistake from the samples taken or during the test process.. IOC believe it will be fair for any athletes to further examine the samples which been tested positive.
There has been quite number of cases whereby 1st Samples shows positive & second results was showing negative..
In Sairul Case, BWF actually doesn't need to compensate him as the rules is stating that any players MUST be ready to take the doping test anytime.. No 1 can object about the decision make by the Doping Panel. However, if Sairul will to make the matter loud.. He needs to take action against BWF at Sports Court (CAS)

I think it's ridiculous too!

BUT I do not agree with the GUILTY OF DOPING part. It's already proven that Sairul is clear of the 'doping allegation' proven that the sample b (which I understand is taken from the same source and time with Sample A) has been proven to be 'clean'.

These following facts altogether make the very thought of BWF offering Sairul a place in the World Champs a clear recipe for disaster :-
1) BWF is based in Malaysia and already 4 players representing (would make ppl think or suggest abuse of power by the host nation)
2) Sairul is only #7th in Malaysia and not have won or produced any major result recently nor does he have a large fan base following him (Would make ppl think or suggest that BWF have very bad jugdement in terms on how to popularize badminton)
3) Sairul is with the 'very wealthy' KLRC Club and perhaps have good connections with BWF (would make ppl think and suggest that monetary factor was in action :eek: )
4) In regards to doping incident (would make ppl think or suggest that either BWF made a blunder, has no backbone to publicaly apologize but to compensate hush hush) (compensating for the test results also makes BWF lose integrity with it's own regualtions)

With all the above, who ever in BWF who suggested this must either be blind or stupid to not see the possible rammifications of such a suggestion.

TBBMBB(N)

Is there any expert or insider who knows why BWF gave Sairul Amar Ayob a wild card?

It is particular ridiculous.

3) It's ridiculous because Malaysia already has 4 players

2) It's more ridiculous because, Sairul's ranked just 7th within the Malaysia players, Wong CH ranked the 2nd in Malaysia and Yeoh KB the 5th haven't received any consideration for wild card yet. How come BWF picked Sairul?

1) It's the most ridiculous thing that Sairul was doping last year. So BWF decided to give Sairul wild card to promote doping?

If I am not wrong, usually both doping samples are taken at the same time. Sample B is not used until Sample A proved to have a problem.

BAM did the right thing knowing Sairul will not make a difference anyway. Its better to give the wildcard to player from other country.

It is important when we discussing about this wild card nominees, we need to understand the rules and regulations on it, so that any comment is not well off the mark. The attached is taken from the World Championship regulation in the BWF web site.

From the reports so far, it seems that BWF is excercing its right under regulation 3.2.15, whilst BAM is saying no under its right in regulation 3.2.18.
So both parties are within the rules.

The remaining question is of course how and why Sairul is nominated by the "Seeding Committee", but I guess no one knows unless such decision is made public.



Wild cards

3.2.10 In each event the host Association shall be entitled to nominate a wild card entry. This wild card entry may be from an Association different from the host Association.
3.2.11 Such nominations must be communicated to the BWF by five days after the eligibility date.
3.2.12 In the event that the host Association nominates a wild card entry from a different Association, the nominated player/pair must be on the world ranking list.
3.2.13 In the event that the host Association nominates a wild card entry from its own membership, the nominated player/pair need not be on the world ranking list.
3.2.14 The host Association is not required to exercise its right to nominate a wild card entry in any or all events.
3.2.15 In each event the BWF shall be entitled to nominate a wild card entry. This wild card entry will be selected by the Seeding Committee appointed by the Events Committee.
3.2.16 Such a nomination must be made by eight days after the eligibility date.
3.2.17 The BWF is not required to exercise its right to nominate a wild card entry in any or all events.
3.2.18 Any wild card entry must not cause the maximum of four entries in each event for a given Member Association to be exceeded, and wild card entries must have the approval of the Member Association of the player/pair concerned.

3.2.18 clearly states that any wild card entry must not cause the maximum of four entries in each event for a given member to be exceeded.
In this case Malaysia already has four players in the men's singles.
The question is why is the rule being broken to include Sairul as the fifth player, not at the request of the BAM but by the BWF.

Again if you look at the players eligibility document posted by the BWF in their own website, it sets the following timetable

May 8, 2007: Malaysia will decide whether or not they wish to use wild cards

May 11, 2007: BWF to decide whether or not to use BWF wild cards

May 17, 2007: BWF to publish wild card(s)

This timeline is again not followed by the BWF. Again the question is why?

perhaps some withdrawals from Thai squad and others has forced BWF's hand to offer 'extra wildcards'.

But offering to a fifth Malaysian makes no sense at all. and why SAIRUL. Nobody can even think of a valid plausible reason Sairul should get it and not another player (WCH? / YKB?) or even better some one of a diff national.

Interesting...looking at the qualifying list of players in the WC official site, it appears that Roslin was participating as a wild card (presumably under BAM's wild card as host association).

http://www.protonwbc07.com/download/qualifiers_ms.pdf

Apparently udner the qualifying rule, since BAM has LCW (under ranking 1-8), they can only have 2 more players from the world ranking of 9-24 to participate. That could have chosen any 2 out of the possible 4 in this grouping:
- Hashim
- LTS
- Roslin
- Sairul

If BAM/WBF did not excercise any of the wildcard option, BAM would have only total 3 representatives in the MS event officially. It appears BAM has used their wildcard on Roslin to make up the final full quota of 4 players in MS.

i thought WBF should be so call "bigger" than BAM?? so maybe BAM should just listen to WBF

The simplest reason may be BWF gave BAM a regulation IQ test and BAM passed with flying colours. Well done, BAM!

Yes, I'd give BAM an A for handling this one as well!!!

BWF... Fail!

Can someone explain how LTS ended up in WC ? Don't tell me Yap Kim Hock expects him to shock everyone. He is lucky if he made it to quarter finals....which I seriouly doubt it would happen.

Can someone explain how LTS ended up in WC ? Don't tell me Yap Kim Hock expects him to shock everyone. He is lucky if he made it to quarter finals....which I seriouly doubt it would happen.

On merit. He was ranked higher than others when the qualification period ended.

On merit. He was ranked higher than others when the qualification period ended.

Yep! If the qualification ended after China Masters, his slot would belong to WCH instead.