INA Pelatnas players will skip HKG SS for 24th SEA Games/07

[CLELY]

INA Pelatnas players will not join the last series of BWF-SS tournament in Hongkong as preparation to compete 24th South East Asia Games (SEAG) Nakhon Ratchasima, 6-16 December 2007. It happens because badminton is one of INA priority sport to grab gold medal and particularly to upgrade INA ranking at medal standing from 5th to 4th position. Similar with 2005 Manila SEAG result, INA also targeting 4 badminton gold in this year SEAG.

Rita Subowo, President of Indonesia's National Olympic Committee ensured Taufik Hidayat and compatriots will be absent in Hongkong when she visited Pelatnas Cipayung Jakarta, Monday (06/08).

Lius Pongoh, PBSI Head of Athlete's Performance Building said the problem will appear because YONEX as Pelatnas main sponsor oblige the players to participate in Hongkong. About what kind of sanction, Lius has not certain yet.

INA bdm squad for SEAG 2007:
* Man's sector : TH, Sony, Simon, Nova Widianto, Flandy Limpele, Markis Kido, Hendra Setiawan, Joko Riyadi, Hendra AG and Alvent Yulianto.

* Woman's sector : Adriyanti Firdasari, Maria Kristin, Pia Zebadiah, Lilyana Natsir, Vita Marissa, Jo Novita, Greysia Polii, Rani Mundiasti, Endang Nursugianti and Lita Nurlita.

--taken from KOMPAS (07/08/2007)
--ANTARA (Bahasa Indonesia) version : www.antara.co.id/arc/2007/8/6/indonesia-korbankan-hongkong-terbuka-demi-sea-games (http://www.antara.co.id/arc/2007/8/6/indonesia-korbankan-hongkong-terbuka-demi-sea-games)

Really ridiculuos, INA still represented by same shuttlers in all level multisport event (SEAG-AG-OG)! When the next generation get the chance to develop their skill and gain some competing experience??

[seawell]

Indonesia may skip HK badminton super series

Indonesia may not participate in the Hong Kong Super Series later this year to allow shuttlers to get prepared for the Southeast Asian (SEA) Games.

Indonesia has targeted to win four gold medals from badminton in the biennial event to be held in Thailand on Dec. 6 - 16. Meanwhile, the Hong Kong event has been scheduled for Nov. 27 - Dec. 2.

"The PBSI (Badminton Association of Indonesia) must drop the Hong Kong Super Series because of the schedule," National Sports Council (KONI) chairwoman Rita Subowo was quoted Tuesday by English daily The Jakarta Post as saying.

"Besides, the SEA Games will not disturb next year's Beijing Olympic Games qualification," she said.

But men's single ace Taufik Hidayat objected to the policy, saying he was still lacking points after missing the All England and Swiss Open in March.

"Why don't we just fly directly to Thailand from Hong Kong?" asked the 25-year old who hopes to retain his Olympic crown.

PBSI coach Lius Pongoh said the decision to drop the Hong Kong event might cause a financial row with main sponsor Yonex.

"Yonex requires us to compete in Hong Kong. We may have a dispute with them later,"he said.

Source: Xinhua

[huangkwokhau]

Thats right ...but I think INA wil particiapte HK as Yonex may fine them plus it is about time for INA to send younger players to SEA Games...sometimes, KONI has no brain...or we call it " Kia su"...Also INA has 5 days to rest....sometimes those officials need to be briefed...

[Krisna]

Yeah, there was lack of coordination between KONI and PBSI officials... They don't actually have to skip anything... They can go to HK and Sea Games. No problem...

[badMania]

Arghh....once again the officials got their priority WRONG big time!!

[badMania]

"Besides, the SEA Games will not disturb next year's Beijing Olympic Games qualification," she said.


The Hong Kong SS is ONE of the events which offer points for the Olympics qualifications :cool: Isn't Rita Subowo the former head of Pelti?

[huangkwokhau]

The Hong Kong SS is ONE of the events which offer points for the Olympics qualifications :cool: Isn't Rita Subowo the former head of Pelti?
I think rita is former sport minister.....

[Krisna]

The Hong Kong SS is ONE of the events which offer points for the Olympics qualifications :cool: Isn't Rita Subowo the former head of Pelti?

I don't know about Pelti [Tennis], but surely she was the head of the Volleyball association.... :)

[Sandy]

The Hong Kong SS is ONE of the events which offer points for the Olympics qualifications :cool: Isn't Rita Subowo the former head of Pelti?


The current chief of PELTI is Mrs. Martina Wijaya, the Godmother of INA Tennis.
She also forced some top players to play in SEA Games while Thailand didn't send top player. Angelique Widjaja or Wynne Prakusya flied from Wimbledon or US Open only 2 or 3 days different, Angie ever failed to play in individual because of tired (she played in 2nd week of Grand Slams).

[jug8man]

anybody knows where will the Sea Games be held? which country?

[badMania]

The SEA Games will be held in Thailand this year from 6-15 Dec.

Just read from the Star that MAS will only send Kuan Beng Hong, a senior MD pair Gan Teik Chai/Lin Woon Fui and the upcoming XD pair Tan Wee Kiong/Woon Khe Wei. The rest of the squad will come from Project 2010-2012 like Mohd Arif Latif, Tan Chun Seang and Chan Kwong Beng.

Why can't INA do the same thing ? :cool:

[samuel882]

The SEA Games will be held in Thailand this year from 6-15 Dec.

Just read from the Star that MAS will only send Kuan Beng Hong, a senior MD pair Gan Teik Chai/Lin Woon Fui and the upcoming XD pair Tan Wee Kiong/Woon Khe Wei. The rest of the squad will come from Project 2010-2012 like Mohd Arif Latif, Tan Chun Seang and Chan Kwong Beng.

Why can't INA do the same thing ? :cool:

Good.. BAM make a wise move to send Youngster for Sea Games to gain exposure.. Both TCS/ Arif/CKB has been performing well this year either in Satelite / AJC
Hopes they can shows that they are capable to play in team events too.
Cheers ..

[CLELY]

The SEA Games will be held in Thailand this year from 6-15 Dec.

Just read from the Star that MAS will only send Kuan Beng Hong, a senior MD pair Gan Teik Chai/Lin Woon Fui and the upcoming XD pair Tan Wee Kiong/Woon Khe Wei. The rest of the squad will come from Project 2010-2012 like Mohd Arif Latif, Tan Chun Seang and Chan Kwong Beng.

Why can't INA do the same thing ? :cool:

INA is too scary take a risk that the youngsters can't reach 4 golds. Overall, really pessimistic INA can improve its position at medal table in SEAG. 10 years ago (1997) INA is the king in this region but now...

[Krisna]

Leading up to 1997, we did not have 10 year of sports-underfunding due to economic and political crisis. :o

[samuel882]

INA Men's TEams to SEA Games'07 should look like this :
1. 1st Single : Simon Santoso
2. 2nd Single : Tommy Sugiarto
3. 3rd Single : Andrea Tedjono
4. 1st Doubles : Joyo/ Hendra
5. 2nd Doubles : Ryian / Yoke
Reserve Singles : Alamsyah Bagus
Reserve Doubles : Flampele

[badMania]

INA Men's TEams to SEA Games'07 should look like this :
1. 1st Single : Simon Santoso
2. 2nd Single : Tommy Sugiarto
3. 3rd Single : Andrea Tedjono
4. 1st Doubles : Joyo/ Hendra
5. 2nd Doubles : Ryian / Yoke
Reserve Singles : Alamsyah Bagus
Reserve Doubles : Flampele


They should send:
MS: Tommy Sugiarto, Alamsyah Yunus, Andre Kurniawan Tedjono, Ari Yuli Wahyu or Bandar Sigit Pamungkas
MD: Bona Septano/Mohd Ahsan, Viki Indra Okvana/Tantowi Ahmad or the more senior pairing of Lingga Lie/Devin Lahardi
WS: Pia Zebadiah, Fransisca Ratnasari, Maria Febe, Maria Elfira
WD: Yulianti/Richi Dili Puspita, Nitya Krishinda/Nadya Melati (if they are still together)
XD: Tantowi/Yulianti, Lingga Lie/Devi Tika Permatasari or if they want to secure a medal, send the more senior pair of Devin Lahardi/Lita Nurlita

[huangkwokhau]

They should send:
MS: Tommy Sugiarto, Alamsyah Yunus, Andre Kurniawan Tedjono, Ari Yuli Wahyu or Bandar Sigit Pamungkas
MD: Bona Septano/Mohd Ahsan, Viki Indra Okvana/Tantowi Ahmad or the more senior pairing of Lingga Lie/Devin Lahardi
WS: Pia Zebadiah, Fransisca Ratnasari, Maria Febe, Maria Elfira
WD: Yulianti/Richi Dili Puspita, Nitya Krishinda/Nadya Melati (if they are still together)
XD: Tantowi/Yulianti, Lingga Lie/Devi Tika Permatasari or if they want to secure a medal, send the more senior pair of Devin Lahardi/Lita Nurlita
agree with you except Fransisca.....it is better with Febby...

[jug8man]

Hope that's not too much responsiblity and pressure for Kuan.




The SEA Games will be held in Thailand this year from 6-15 Dec.

Just read from the Star that MAS will only send Kuan Beng Hong, a senior MD pair Gan Teik Chai/Lin Woon Fui and the upcoming XD pair Tan Wee Kiong/Woon Khe Wei. The rest of the squad will come from Project 2010-2012 like Mohd Arif Latif, Tan Chun Seang and Chan Kwong Beng.

Why can't INA do the same thing ? :cool:

[Krisna]

I was informed that PBSI top players will definitely not skip the HK Open! :D They plan to skip the China Open! Due to the INA National Championship 1 week before that...

Anyway, by now I am quite convinced that if the MAS opposition are like the above mentioned, PBSI can just send:
Simon, Tommy, Alamsyah [MS]
Joko-Hendra, Bona-Ahsan [MD]
Firdasari, Nana, Pia [WS]
Rani-Endang, Yulianti-Richi [WD]
Tantowi-Yulianti, Lingga-Nadia [XD]
and still win some SEA Games golds here and there... :D

If Thailand sends Boonsak, then Simon might go to rubber sets, but still beat Boonsak. This happens time and time again... If Thailand sends their best WD, then INA is screwed, but hey you get some, you loose some... :D

[huangkwokhau]

I was informed that PBSI top players will definitely not skip the HK Open! :D They plan to skip the China Open! Due to the INA National Championship 1 week before that...

Anyway, by now I am quite convinced that if the MAS opposition are like the above mentioned, PBSI can just send:
Simon, Tommy, Alamsyah [MS]
Joko-Hendra, Bona-Ahsan [MD]
Firdasari, Nana, Pia [WS]
Rani-Endang, Yulianti-Richi [WD]
Tantowi-Yulianti, Lingga-Nadia [XD]
and still win some SEA Games golds here and there... :D

If Thailand sends Boonsak, then Simon might go to rubber sets, but still beat Boonsak. This happens time and time again... If Thailand sends their best WD, then INA is screwed, but hey you get some, you loose some... :D


Krisna, one question:

Why Pelatnas still need to compete Kejurnas? I do notsee the needs for TH, SDK or Simon to compete there...China open is important for SS final as well as Olympics points....is there any motive behind this skipping of CHina open?

[Krisna]

Krisna, one question:

Why Pelatnas still need to compete Kejurnas? I do notsee the needs for TH, SDK or Simon to compete there...China open is important for SS final as well as Olympics points....is there any motive behind this skipping of CHina open?

From what I understand, there are various reasons...

A high-quality National Championship is needed to make people in all regions of Indonesia see high-level world-class badminton first-hand... The National Championship moves from province to province every year... Last year in Medan, the year before that in Samarinda, before that in Yogyakarta...

You should see how excited they were to see world badminton stars being in their city. :D How often does that happen?!? :D The audience were scrambling to take photos with Taufik, Luluk, Sony, Simon, all the big names... :D These kinds of experiences are what made badminton loved by Indonesians all over our archipelago... Young, old, rich, poor Indonesians love badminton. This love relationship has to be maintained and nurtured in order for badminton to continuously prosper and grow! ;)

Clearly, a high-quality National Championship is important for National Unity and badminton inspiration... meaning... people from remote places like Kalimantan, Bangka, and Papua can meet and actually even play against their heroes like Taufik, Kido-Hendra, etc. It is an experience of a lifetime for them... :D Seeing the heroes live is 100 times more impressionable to fans and future players than just reading about their heroes' feats in the newspaper.

I once saw a competitor from Nusa Tenggara who could not wait until his turn to play Taufik... He insist on taking pictures with TH before and after the match. Of course he lost, but it was an honor for him to represent his area and just compete against a World Champ. :) An experience that guy shall cherish... [I would] :p When it comes to badminton, INA people all forget that TH is Sundanese etc. That guy from Nusa Tenggara would never look down on Taufik because TH is Sundanese... Everyone is proud he is an Indonesian Olympic champ.

Most countries with a strong badminton tradition will make their National Championship a priority. I know China and Malaysia do... The top players often skip big international tournaments if they have a National Championship. It is important for them and a source of pride to compete [and hopefully win] against all the best players in the country of that year... :) A time to measure your skill progress too... against the best players & pairs you country has to offer...

[huangkwokhau]

From what I understand, there are various reasons...

A high-quality National Championship is needed to make people in all regions of Indonesia see high-level world-class badminton first-hand... The National Championship moves from province to province every year... Last year in Medan, the year before that in Samarinda, before that in Yogyakarta...

You should see how excited they were to see world badminton stars being in their city. :D How often does that happen?!? :D The audience were scrambling to take photos with Taufik, Luluk, Sony, Simon, all the big names... :D These kinds of experiences are what made badminton loved by Indonesians all over our archipelago... Young, old, rich, poor Indonesians love badminton. This love relationship has to be maintained and nurtured in order for badminton to continuously prosper and grow! ;)

A National Championship important for National Unity and badminton inspiration... meaning... people from remote places like Kalimantan and Papua can meet and actually even play against their heroes like Taufik, Kido-Hendra, etc. It is an experience of a lifetime for them... :D

I once saw a competitor from Nusa Tenggara who could not wait until his turn to play Taufik... He insist on taking pictures with TH before and after the match. Of course he lost, but it was an honor for him to represent his area and just compete against a World Champ. :) An experience that guy shall cherish... [I would] :p

Most countries with a strong badminton tradition will make their National Championship a priority. I know China and Malaysia do... The top players often skip big international tournaments if they have a National Championship. It is important for them and a source of pride to compete [and hopefully win] against all the best players in the country of that year... :) A time to measure your skill progress too... against the best players & pairs you country has to offer...

Okay..I see...I wish China Open is not same schedule with Kejurnas..:(

[badMania]

GOOD!!! So, I will still see the bulk of the top players in Hong Kong in Nov. It's okay if they skip China Open....:D

Is it confirmed that PBSI is going to send ALL its top guns? :cool: I agree that the lineup below would be sufficient to take at least 2-3 individual golds (MS, MD).


I was informed that PBSI top players will definitely not skip the HK Open! :D They plan to skip the China Open! Due to the INA National Championship 1 week before that...

Anyway, by now I am quite convinced that if the MAS opposition are like the above mentioned, PBSI can just send:
Simon, Tommy, Alamsyah [MS]
Joko-Hendra, Bona-Ahsan [MD]
Firdasari, Nana, Pia [WS]
Rani-Endang, Yulianti-Richi [WD]
Tantowi-Yulianti, Lingga-Nadia [XD]
and still win some SEA Games golds here and there... :D

If Thailand sends Boonsak, then Simon might go to rubber sets, but still beat Boonsak. This happens time and time again... If Thailand sends their best WD, then INA is screwed, but hey you get some, you loose some... :D

[huangkwokhau]

remember that SIN has a good shot for WS and MD as well as XD

[Krisna]

GOOD!!! So, I will still see the bulk of the top players in Hong Kong in Nov. It's okay if they skip China Open....:D

Is it confirmed that PBSI is going to send ALL its top guns? :cool: I agree that the lineup below would be sufficient to take at least 2-3 individual golds (MS, MD).

That's what Lius plans to do... :) All the INA top guns in HK! ;)

Disclaimer: if PBSI somehow ran out of funds [yet again] or if some of the top guns are injured, then sorry dude... :p The plan is botched... :o

But seriously, I don't think so. PBSI should have enough funds from their last month's fundraising night. Furthermore, Lius knows full-well by now that part of the Yonex 2004-2008 contract clearly stipulate that in order to avoid financial penalties, INA National Team has to send its top players to HK Open. ;)

[Krisna]

remember that SIN has a good shot for WS and MD as well as XD

True.

In order to secure the WS gold, INA needs to send both Maria Kristin and Firdasari... while Malaysia can't rely on Julia Wong... But WMC might be getting ready for the Super Series Finals... ;) WMC is currently world #8, she has a very good shot at going to the Super Series Finals...

MD for SIN... Hmm... depends on the final INA and MAS MD participants... ;) INA and MAS have a lot of 2nd rated [yet lethal] guns!

XD... Thailand has some good XD guns... mmm... INA's Tantowi-Yulianti can compete well against SIN's best laaah... :D We shall see...

[Gunawan]

Okay..I see...I wish China Open is not same schedule with Kejurnas..:(

I wish Lius and PBSI would send second-layer players since I plan to attend this year China Open.:cool:

[ctjcad]

I was informed that PBSI top players will definitely not skip the HK Open! :D They plan to skip the China Open! Due to the INA National Championship 1 week before that...

Krisna, one question:

Why Pelatnas still need to compete Kejurnas? I do notsee the needs for TH, SDK or Simon to compete there...China open is important for SS final as well as Olympics points....is there any motive behind this skipping of CHina open?

I wish Lius and PBSI would send second-layer players since I plan to attend this year China Open.:cool:
..this thought just crossed my mind..Krisna, can't Djarum send some or if not all of its "top guns" to the China Open??:confused:..Does Djarum have to "follow" the same requirements as PBSI??:confused:..Is Djarum somewhat in a "bind" to join & compete, with the rest of the INA shuttlers, in the upcoming INA National Championships tourney??..:confused:

[samuel882]

Does SEA games badminton very much important to PBSI.. Till they preferred to send so many top players there:rolleyes:

[badMania]

..this thought just crossed my mind..Krisna, can't Djarum send some or if not all of its "top guns" to the China Open??:confused:..Does Djarum have to "follow" the same requirements as PBSI??:confused:..Is Djarum somewhat in a "bind" to join & compete, with the rest of the INA shuttlers, in the upcoming INA National Championships tourney??..:confused:

I DO THINK that Djarum's players are pretty much obliged to join the National Championships....since they are an INA club and they have pride at stake here.

[huangkwokhau]

From reliable source ( KONI)..TH may play for Sea games.....if his father -in law said so...

[CLELY]

I was informed that PBSI top players will definitely not skip the HK Open! :D They plan to skip the China Open! Due to the INA National Championship 1 week before that...

Yup, I have read this issue from KCM website. Badminton National Championship 2007 that previously rumoured for postponement until 8-13 January 2008 due the schedule is very close with CHN SS tournament in Guangzhou, has returned to its original schedule 13-17 November/07 in Solo.

It means INA primary shuttlers will more concentrate in Kejurnas than CHN Open SS (20-25 Nov/07) and probably Pelatnas top-players only participate in HKG SS.

[ctjcad]

I DO THINK that Djarum's players are pretty much obliged to join the National Championships....since they are an INA club and they have pride at stake here.

Yup, I have read this issue from KCM website. Badminton National Championship 2007 that previously rumoured for postponement until 8-13 January 2008 due the schedule is very close with CHN SS tournament in Guangzhou, has returned to its original schedule 13-17 November/07 in Solo.

It means INA primary shuttlers will more concentrate in Kejurnas than CHN Open SS (20-25 Nov/07) and probably Pelatnas top-players only participate in HKG SS.
..were the dates planned by the National Championships organizer, to hold the tourney very close to the upcoming China Open SS??...Hmm, it's interesting also to see that the upcoming China Open will have the whole INA players missing, just like the recent absence of the CHN squad in Chinese Taipei Open..;)

[samuel882]

I think you guys have missed out the news that, INA will pull TH out from the CO in November for revenge against China who did not send LD in the IO this year

[Krisna]

can't Djarum send some or if not all of its "top guns" to the China Open??:confused:..Does Djarum have to "follow" the same requirements as PBSI??:confused:..Is Djarum somewhat in a "bind" to join & compete, with the rest of the INA shuttlers, in the upcoming INA National Championships tourney??..:confused:

It is possible for Djarum and any other INA club to send their players to China, especially since China Super Series 2 is not held in the same week as the National Championship. Anybody outside Pelatnas do not have to follow PBSI's decision to skip the China Super Series 2.

But improbable because of the packed schedule at the end of the year... and most players cannot compete well in 3 successive tournaments. Thus they have to choose...

Week 42: Dutch Open GP
Week 43: Denmark Super Series
Week 44: France Super Series
Week 45: Vietnam Open GP
Week 46: INA National Championship & Malaysia Challenge
Week 47: China Super Series 2
Week 48: Hong Kong Super Series
Week 49: Russia Open GP Gold & SEA GAMES
Week 50: Italia Challenge & SEA GAMES
Week 51: Super Series Finals


I DO THINK that Djarum's players are pretty much obliged to join the National Championships....since they are an INA club and they have pride at stake here.

Correct. Even though there is no legal requirement that force any club to enter the National Championship, ...most of the big clubs know that participating in the INA National Championship is a lot about national unity, club pride, national badminton celebration, etc... So, most likely the top clubs will send their top shuttlers to the National Championships... Taufik, Sony, Simon, Andre, Wahyu, Alam, Adit, Tommy, Kido, Hendra, Luluk, Alven, Rian, Yoke, Bona, Ahsan, Lily, Nova, Vita, Flandy, etc.... ;)

From what I last heard, Djarum also plans to send their 2nd tier team [usually under 20 years old] to the Malaysia Challenge [that will be held on the same week as the National Championships]... Players like Wifqi-Alfiat, Hayom Rumbaka, Nugroho Andi Saputro, etc. who have no realistic shot at winning the National Championships anyway... :p :p :p

[Krisna]

I think you guys have missed out the news that, INA will pull TH out from the CO in November for revenge against China who did not send LD in the IO this year

That so called 'news' is just not true! :rolleyes: Where did info like that came from? :rolleyes: Low quality reporting! :rolleyes: Misleading fans! :o

INA's decision to skip China Open Super Series has nothing to do with LD not attending the 2007 Indonesian Open.... Actually, LD already skipped the 2006 Indonesian Open. Lius Pongoh already plan to skip the China Open Superseries 2 since November 2006. That's why the National Championship is scheduled one week before the China Super Series 2 in the first place... :)

[ctjcad]

But improbable because of the packed schedule at the end of the year... and most players cannot compete well in 3 successive tournaments. Thus they have to choose...

Correct. Even though there is no legal requirement that force any club to enter the National Championship, ...most of the big clubs know that participating in the INA National Championship is a lot about national unity, club pride, national badminton celebration, etc...
..okay, gotcha;)...so, technically, Djarum is not "bound" to all PBSI/Pelatnas related activities, incl. the N.C...:cool:

Lius Pongoh already plan to skip the China Open Superseries 2 since November 2006. That's why the National Championship is scheduled one week before the China Super Series 2 in the first place... :)
..hmm, so my assumption was right, then, that it was already planned way in advance by PBSI & National Championships organizer..hmm, i wonder..WHY???:confused::p

Thanks for shedding a bit more light on this, Krisna..;)

[Krisna]

..okay, gotcha;)...so, technically, Djarum is not "bound" to all PBSI/Pelatnas related activities, incl. the N.C...:cool:


In the matter of sending players abroad or to the Nationa Championship, the current PBSI management is quite liberal and accomodating. In the past, during other administrations, PBSI did not allow players other than Pelatnas to compete internationally.

By the way, according to BWF rule, PBSI has the right to give the list of INA players competing in any BWF tournament. So if PBSI choose to not include player XYZ or pair ABC in a particular tournament, it is actually within their legal right...

If you ever wonder why the current BWF rule is like that... Answer: PBSI [along with the Chinese, Koreans, and Malaysians] were behind it. The Europeans were against it. But was outvoted. So from then on, the Danish, English, German Associations grudgingly just rubber stamp the 'list of players' representing their countries in BWF events...

That time, some PBSI officials wanted to control who can represent the country when playing in the tournaments such as the All England etc. Because... before the existence of world rankings, INA university students who studied in England and Germany would just compete at the All England. Of course their skill level were amateurish... and this was deemed 'embarassing' by the PBSI officials then...

In addition, PBSI, China, Malaysia, and Korea made all sorts of restrictive rules to prevent / discourage their own players from moving to other countries. The big Asian associations want a lot of power laaah... Power = control & $$$... :rolleyes: Yup, they love that...

On other matters such as the collective contract with Yonex etc. Tangkas, Djarum, Jaya Raya etc. are bound by the PBSI contract. So if you ask me whether the INA clubs are under the control of PBSI, the answer is: for many things YES... some parts NO... :p



..hmm, so my assumption was right, then, that it was already planned way in advance by PBSI & National Championships organizer..hmm, i wonder..WHY???:confused::p


We have to ask Lius Pongoh regarding the real reason... :) But it was quite common in the badminton world for a National Championship to be more important than even a Super Series, 5* and 6* event... China often skip big tournaments due to their own National Championships and PON... :D Maybe Lius simply want to 'get back' at them...

[ctjcad]

..thanks for sharing a bit more insights to the going-ons and behind-the-scene activities of PBSI (then & now)..;)

[badminto_expert]

So INA not participated for Hongkong SS. How about singapore, Malaysia, etc... Also not participated?

I think INA should send the junior players for SEAG and send senior players for Hongkong SS.

Yonex is the main sponsor for Pelatnas (Indonesia National Training Centre). I think every year, Pelatnas got S$ 200,000,00 from Yonex. it is not enough to send the players to all tournaments.

I also don't like the Contract between PBSI and Yonex. The Rule is Yonex is the one sponsor. If any company want to be sponsor, so yonex will be give up. It not good rule.

I think PBSI need to check the contract with Yonex to allow the others sponsor to come.

Because Why the other countries like China, Malaysia, etc can do it.

China got sponsor from FedEx, Nike, Yonex, etc.

Malaysia got sponsor from Proton, Oil Company, Yonex, etc.

My suggestion:
- If yonex don't want to change the rule, PBSI easy to get the sponsor from the other sports provider like: Flypower, ASTEC, Sinar Mutiara, Saxson, etc.. A lot of interested to give sponsor to PBSI.

- If yonex want to change the rule, so PBSI can open the other sponsor to come and limited for 2 or 3 only. And can be negotiate with yonex to increase the sponsor fee.

Now, we know why Ina Players can't more competitive with China because Sponsor problem.. not the development problem.

See like Malaysia, The BAM got a lot money to send them junior players to join the Satelite, youth, and the others grand prix competitions.

If Ina Like Malaysia, I means: Ina got a lot of money from sponsor, so INA Players can be competitive because in Indonesia got a lot of the talent players and developing players in INA Club very good (International Standard).


INA Pelatnas players will not join the last series of BWF-SS tournament in Hongkong as preparation to compete 24th South East Asia Games (SEAG) Nakhon Ratchasima, 6-16 December 2007. It happens because badminton is one of INA priority sport to grab gold medal and particularly to upgrade INA ranking at medal standing from 5th to 4th position. Similar with 2005 Manila SEAG result, INA also targeting 4 badminton gold in this year SEAG.

Rita Subowo, President of Indonesia's National Olympic Committee ensured Taufik Hidayat and compatriots will be absent in Hongkong when she visited Pelatnas Cipayung Jakarta, Monday (06/08).

Lius Pongoh, PBSI Head of Athlete's Performance Building said the problem will appear because YONEX as Pelatnas main sponsor oblige the players to participate in Hongkong. About what kind of sanction, Lius has not certain yet.

INA bdm squad for SEAG 2007:
* Man's sector : TH, Sony, Simon, Nova Widianto, Flandy Limpele, Markis Kido, Hendra Setiawan, Joko Riyadi, Hendra AG and Alvent Yulianto.

* Woman's sector : Adriyanti Firdasari, Maria Kristin, Pia Zebadiah, Lilyana Natsir, Vita Marissa, Jo Novita, Greysia Polii, Rani Mundiasti, Endang Nursugianti and Lita Nurlita.

--taken from KOMPAS (07/08/2007)
--ANTARA (Bahasa Indonesia) version : www.antara.co.id/arc/2007/8/6/indonesia-korbankan-hongkong-terbuka-demi-sea-games (http://www.antara.co.id/arc/2007/8/6/indonesia-korbankan-hongkong-terbuka-demi-sea-games)

Really ridiculuos, INA still represented by same shuttlers in all level multisport event (SEAG-AG-OG)! When the next generation get the chance to develop their skill and gain some competing experience??

[badMania]

Just read in either Kompas/Jawa Pos: it's confirmed that ALL the top players are going to the SEA Games :cool:

[Krisna]

Just read in either Kompas/Jawa Pos: it's confirmed that ALL the top players are going to the SEA Games :cool:

Then 2nd and 3rd layer are going to Russia Open Gold GP? :confused: [this is a cash-draining option for the cash-strapped PBSI]

Or maybe Pakistan and India Challenge? [Cheaper...:p] Maybe Taiwan Series... :confused: That choice is also economical... :D

[huangkwokhau]

go to pakistan challenge....INA is not so smart by sending all top players....really..realy..( hm..cant say it....)

[badMania]

Then 2nd and 3rd layer are going to Russia Open Gold GP? :confused: [this is a cash-draining option for the cash-strapped PBSI]

Or maybe Pakistan and India Challenge? [Cheaper...:p] Maybe Taiwan Series... :confused: That choice is also economical... :D

The rest I presume will be rested at home? :confused:
Its unlikely they will venture to Russia due to the inconvenience. I personally have gone to Moscow and its really not an option as I have to transfer twice (Bangkok and then Dubai).

[Cheung]

I think you guys have missed out the news that, INA will pull TH out from the CO in November for revenge against China who did not send LD in the IO this year
That is news indeed - where did this news come from?

[ctjcad]

That is news indeed - where did this news come from?
..was reported by Krisna, in the previous page, starting with post #19, which propagated the subsequent discussions til this page;)..A total absence by the INA squad in the upcoming China Open:(

[huangkwokhau]

That is news indeed - where did this news come from?
It is not a revenge but National Championship which TH is the lost popular so he has to be there to boost INA Badminton.....

TH was playing at China Master 2 months ago so it was not in that case....

[samuel882]

Here is the FULL List of MAS Team for KORAT SEA Games 07 :

MEN SINGLES :
1. YEOH KAY BIN
2. TAN CHUN SEANG
3. CHAN KWONG BENG :eek:

No Arif though, maybe he is still too fresh for team competition:cool:


MENS DOUBLES:
1. GAN TEIK CHAI/LIN WOON FUI
2. CHANG PENG SOON/CHANG HUN PING


WOMEN SINGLES
1. WONG MEW CHOO
2. JULIA WONG
3. LYDIA CHEAH

WOMEN DOUBLES
1. CHIN EE HUI/WONG PEI TY
2. NG HUI LIN/AMELIA
- Looks Like the women's team are definitely stronger than the men.


MIXED DOUBLES
1. TAN WEE KIONG/ WOON KHE WEI
YES!! :p

[taufik-ist]

Here is the FULL List of MAS Team for KORAT SEA Games 07 :

MEN SINGLES :
1. YEOH KAY BIN
2. TAN CHUN SEANG
3. CHAN KWONG BENG :eek:

No Arif though, maybe he is still too fresh for team competition:cool:


MENS DOUBLES:
1. GAN TEIK CHAI/LIN WOON FUI
2. CHANG PENG SOON/CHANG HUN PING


WOMEN SINGLES
1. WONG MEW CHOO
2. JULIA WONG
3. LYDIA CHEAH

WOMEN DOUBLES
1. CHIN EE HUI/WONG PEI TY
2. NG HUI LIN/AMELIA
- Looks Like the women's team are definitely stronger than the men.


MIXED DOUBLES
1. TAN WEE KIONG/ WOON KHE WEI
YES!! :p


i believe 200% ina full team will 'demolish' mas team above :eek: :D

sorry..

[badMania]

i believe 200% ina full team will 'demolish' mas team above :eek: :D

sorry..

That will be too cruel isn't it ?

[taufik-ist]

That will be too cruel isn't it ?


ehh.. iya sorry i didn't mean to offend mas.., i want to say: ina team have a bigger chance to do a cleaning sweep in SEA games.... :D

[Krisna]

That is news indeed - where did this news come from?

It is true that Taufik is not going to China Open, but not due to some 'boycott because Lin Dan did not play in Indonesia Open'... He got that totally wrong. Lius Pongoh wanted to prioritize the 2007 INA National Championships and HK Super Series [included in the Yonex contract, unlike China Open].

[Krisna]

i believe 200% ina full team will 'demolish' mas team above :eek: :D

sorry..

Except WS... :p Yeah, since KONI have inserted fresh funds to PBSI in the past months, PBSI (in return) will send our top guys & gals to get 4-6 golds in the SEA Games... :D I predict the only gold that can 'escape' our grasp is the WS gold.... WMC will get that... :p Maria Kristin and Firda has a shot, but WMC has an edge over them...

MS, MD, XD, WD, Men's team, Women's team... should be INA's... ;) Even if Boonsak is playing... tough for him to beat Taufik, Sony, and Simon... :p

[taufik-ist]

Except WS... :p Yeah, since KONI have inserted fresh funds to PBSI in the past months, PBSI (in return) will send our top guys & gals to get 4-6 golds in the SEA Games... :D I predict the only gold that can 'escape' our grasp is the WS gold.... WMC will get that... :p Maria Kristin and Firda has a shot, but WMC has an edge over them...

MS, MD, XD, WD, Men's team, Women's team... should be INA's... ;) Even if Boonsak is playing... tough for him to beat Taufik, Sony, and Simon... :p

firda defeated wmc in ws final of last Sea games.. i hope she will do it again :D

[Krisna]

firda defeated wmc in ws final of last Sea games.. i hope she will do it again :D

Oh yeah, she did... :cool: Yeah, she can do it again! ;)

[samuel882]

Oh yeah, she did... :cool: Yeah, she can do it again! ;)

Let's see how.. ;)

[huangkwokhau]

I saw the match yesterday, it seems that Fridasari is gaining her composure and definitely she will play better and better...all she needs to do is how to learn to close the macth...like against Soratja,,,she ahd it but let it slip...she needs to be more focus on each point.....PBSI is planning to send Firda and Maria to SS series and she may get into main darw for French Open...if she gets into semifinal today ( Macau), definitely she will have better chance to be in main draw.....

[Sandy]

I saw the match yesterday, it seems that Fridasari is gaining her composure and definitely she will play better and better...all she needs to do is how to learn to close the macth...like against Soratja,,,she ahd it but let it slip...she needs to be more focus on each point.....PBSI is planning to send Firda and Maria to SS series and she may get into main darw for French Open...if she gets into semifinal today ( Macau), definitely she will have better chance to be in main draw.....

It's like Maria Kristin's problem, maybe both girls has same problems.

Maria also didn't have "finishing shot" too, she need improve her reflex to be faster.
Maria usually create the opponent run side by side but rarely smash when got "easy" ball just lob and drop shot.
Not surprised when she won the match mostly in 3 sets or lost 3 sets too like against Xu Huaiwen in Bitburger Final 2006, Tine Rasmussen and Tracey Hallam in Sudirman Cup.

[samuel882]

There is no separated SEXES for team competition in SEA games..
Only a mixed team event will be contented.

[huangkwokhau]

I believe that INA players will go to HKG open....may be not full team but for sure there will be some INA players....

[Krisna]

I believe that INA players will go to HKG open....may be not full team but for sure there will be some INA players....

Of course they will. It is part of the Yonex contract with PBSI...

[huangkwokhau]

Of course they will. It is part of the Yonex contract with PBSI...
YEP............................

[phaichamnan]

If it's true, that's a great opportunity for Thai to wash the world class players.

[taufik-ist]

If it's true, that's a great opportunity for Thai to wash the world class players.

hey.. they take a bath everyday :D :D :) joking...

[huangkwokhau]

If it's true, that's a great opportunity for Thai to wash the world class players.
you mean to WATCH world class players.....

[phaichamnan]

Sorry I mean WATCH not WASH !!! very shy !!! :(

[Krisna]

Sorry I mean WATCH not WASH !!! very shy !!! :(

You mean "very embarrassed" :o ...? :confused:

[eaglehelang]

The SEA Games will be held in Thailand this year from 6-15 Dec.

Just read from the Star that MAS will only send Kuan Beng Hong, a senior MD pair Gan Teik Chai/Lin Woon Fui and the upcoming XD pair Tan Wee Kiong/Woon Khe Wei. The rest of the squad will come from Project 2010-2012 like Mohd Arif Latif, Tan Chun Seang and Chan Kwong Beng.

Why can't INA do the same thing ? :cool:

That's only for the men's team. The men senior squad are to concentrate on SS and qualifying for Olympics next year.
The women, NSC wanted Wong Mei Choo for WS and WongPT/ChinEH for WD to fight for gold at SEA Games. So, BAM should be sending the women seniors for both Hong Kong and SEA Games. The final list isnt out yet so maybe they are going for both, maybe not.

But I suppose for INDON, both the men and women are contenders for medals in Olympics.

[Krisna]

But I suppose for INDON, both the men and women are contenders for medals in Olympics.

Eaglehelang... stop calling us Indons... we are INA... Indon does not sound good. It also sounds funny if we abbreviate Malaysians as Mala-s.... :p

[eaglehelang]

Eaglehelang... stop calling us Indons... we are INA... Indon does not sound good. It also sounds funny if we abbreviate Malaysians as Mala-s.... :p

ok, sorry, no offence meant in any manner. I use that short form for the country Indonesia, not the people of Indonesia, that's why no 's' behind the n . Wasnt meant to be the offensive word that has been used to refer to foreign workers from that nationality.
From now on, it will be INDONESIA in full cos I'll forget the short form.

Funny though, we use it at work in informal emails, none of the Indonesians got offended with us. And vice versa I don't get offended (within reason) with what they refer to me/Malaysians .

[Krisna]

Oh no, we are not offended. Just feel funny being called Indon... Wiiieerrrdd...

Do these sound funny to you? Mala... Singap... Thail... Vietna... Burm... Cambo... They sound funny to me... Just like Indon...

I think these are just funny [and a bit inconsiderate] ways of abbreviating a country's name... [Malaysia, Singapore, Thailand, Vietnam, Burma, Cambodia] should be safer to say... :D

[Jade Imperial]

MALAYSIA womens team are so strong in SEA GAMES...
they will win ....
go go go

[taufik-ist]

MALAYSIA womens team are so strong in SEA GAMES...
they will win ....
go go go

hhhmm the chance will 50:50 if they meet ina

mas has only 1 strong ws and wd but.. ina has 2 average ws player who can beat any 2nd or 3rd mas ws.. and ina also has 2 quit strong WD (lilyana/vita,greysa/nurlita)

[Jade Imperial]

hhhmm the chance will 50:50 if they meet ina

mas has only 1 strong ws and wd but.. ina has 2 average ws player who can beat any 2nd or 3rd mas ws.. and ina also has 2 quit strong WD (lilyana/vita,greysa/nurlita)
LIDYA CHEAH AND JULIA WONG ARE STRONG TOO>>>

[Krisna]

LIDYA CHEAH AND JULIA WONG ARE STRONG TOO>>>

True. MAS has to win all the singles to beat INA. But I believe Maria Kristin, Firda, and Pia can beat a MAS team that does not include WMC and Wong-Chin... ;) INA has to be the favorites to win the women's team gold [if they have it]....

[badMania]

The INA squad for the SEA GAMES has been announced. Luluk Hadiyanto has been officially taken out of the team.

MEN'S TEAM
1. Hendra Aprida Gunawan
2. Flandy Limpele
3. Hendra Setiawan
4. Joko Riyadi
5. Markis Kido
6. Simon Santoso
7. Sony Dwi Kuncoro
8. Taufik Hidayat
9. Nova Widianto
10. Alvent Yulianto Chandra

WOMEN'S TEAM
1. Adriyanti Firdasari
2. Endang Nursugianti
3. Pia Zebadiah Bernadeth
4. Greisya Polii
5. Jo Novita
6. Maria Kristin
7. Rani Mundiasti
8. Vita Marissa
9. Lilyana Natsir
10. Lita Nurlita

[taufik-ist]

The INA squad for the SEA GAMES has been announced. Luluk Hadiyanto has been officially taken out of the team.

MEN'S TEAM
1. Hendra Aprida Gunawan
2. Flandy Limpele
3. Hendra Setiawan
4. Joko Riyadi
5. Markis Kido
6. Simon Santoso
7. Sony Dwi Kuncoro
8. Taufik Hidayat
9. Nova Widianto
10. Alvent Yulianto Chandra

WOMEN'S TEAM
1. Adriyanti Firdasari
2. Endang Nursugianti
3. Pia Zebadiah Bernadeth
4. Greisya Polii
5. Jo Novita
6. Maria Kristin
7. Rani Mundiasti
8. Vita Marissa
9. Lilyana Natsir
10. Lita Nurlita

i've heard he's 'unfairly' treated in pelatnas

[ctjcad]

The INA squad for the SEA GAMES has been announced. Luluk Hadiyanto has been officially taken out of the team.

i've heard he's 'unfairly' treated in pelatnas
:p..not really a surprise, but yeah, too bad for Luluk as he's the odd man out:(..So, now, who will partner with Alvent Yulianto??..And is Luluk "officially out" from Pelatnas?? Or is this just for the SEA Games??..yannie, any infos on this??..:confused::p

[yannie]

:p..not really a surprise, but yeah, too bad for Luluk as he's the odd man out:(..So, now, who will partner with Alvent Yulianto??..And is Luluk "officially out" from Pelatnas?? Or is this just for the SEA Games??..yannie, any infos on this??..:confused::p

Hehehe dunno yet.. Maybe Hau Ge knows.. :D:D:D

[huangkwokhau]

Hehehe dunno yet.. Maybe Hau Ge knows.. :D:D:D
Only for Sea Games.........

[CLELY]

Pretty strong line-up from INA squad for upcoming SEA Games, I believe INA will grab 4 bdm golds as targeted before.

[Sandy]

:p..not really a surprise, but yeah, too bad for Luluk as he's the odd man out:(..So, now, who will partner with Alvent Yulianto??..And is Luluk "officially out" from Pelatnas?? Or is this just for the SEA Games??..yannie, any infos on this??..:confused::p

Poor Luluk, a bit unfair decision. Agree if considered to his age but Joko/Hendra A.G. wasn't better than Luluk/Alvent. Much better if PBSI change them with Rian/Yoke for re-generation.

[taufik-ist]

good news.. ina won't skip HK open 2007...

here is the news... (could anyone translate it :D)
from : http://www.kompas.co.id/kompas-cetak/0711/04/or/3971650.htm

Daftarkan semua pemain

Dari Jakarta, Ketua Bidang Pembinaan dan Prestasi PB PBSI Lius Pongoh mengatakan, pihaknya tetap mendaftarkan seluruh pemain senior yang biasa berlaga di arena super series untuk bermain di Hongkong Super Series, 27 November-2 Desember.

"Daripada hanya mendaftarkan beberapa pemain, lalu tidak bisa menambah nama baru karena terlambat, lebih baik didaftarkan dulu semua. Kalau ada yang tidak jadi berangkat, tinggal dibatalkan," kata Lius.

Semula, PBSI berencana untuk tidak mengikutsertakan pemainnya ke Hongkong karena waktunya berdekatan dengan SEA Games, 6-15 Desember. Apalagi, di ajang multicabang tersebut, Indonesia mendaftarkan seluruh pemain senior.

Namun, pilihan itu berisiko karena pemain akan kehilangan angka, yang bisa menambah nilai menuju Olimpiade Beijing 2008 jika absen di Hongkong.

[taufik-ist]

:p..not really a surprise, but yeah, too bad for Luluk as he's the odd man out:(..So, now, who will partner with Alvent Yulianto??..And is Luluk "officially out" from Pelatnas?? Or is this just for the SEA Games??..yannie, any infos on this??..:confused::p

alvent will play with chandra wijaya in sea games

[huangkwokhau]

Also most of INA players will be in China open..except INA WS......

[badMania]

alvent will play with chandra wijaya in sea games

Err....unlikely :eek: He's probably not going to play in MD, instead, only in the team, occasionally partnering either Nova or Flandy.

[taufik-ist]

Err....unlikely :eek: He's probably not going to play in MD, instead, only in the team, occasionally partnering either Nova or Flandy.

he..he that's what i meant

[badMania]

he..he that's what i meant

But Candra Wijaya isn't even in the team for SEA GAMES :cool: However, I suspect that he WILL BE in the team for the Thomas Cup next year.

[Krisna]

good news.. ina won't skip HK open 2007...


INA won't skip HK Open laaaah. We all know it is part of the Yonex-PBSI contract... ;) :p

[badMania]

INA won't skip HK Open laaaah. We all know it is part of the Yonex-PBSI contract... ;) :p

GOOD. I still can't see PBSI's rationale of sending the top MEN's Singles and Doubles to the SEA GAMES. The Super Series Final should be more important, isn't it?

My proposed MEN team:
1. Simon Santoso (let him fight to win a medal)
2. Tommy Sugiarto
3. Bandar Sigit Pamungkas
4. Alamsyah Yunus
5. Hendra A. Gunawan
6. Joko Riyadi (likewise, let AG/Joko fight it out to win a medal, which can boost their confidence for next year)
7. Bona Septano
8. Mohd Ahsan
9. Devin Lahardi
10. Lingga Lie

My proposed WOMEN team:
1. Maria Kristin
2. Adriyanti Firdasari
3. Pia Zebadiah
4. Lita Nurlita
5. Nitya Krishinda
6. Yulianti
7. Richi Dili Puspita
8. Nathalia Poluakan
9. Devi Tika Permatasari
10. Nadya Melati

[huangkwokhau]

GOOD. I still can't see PBSI's rationale of sending the top MEN's Singles and Doubles to the SEA GAMES. The Super Series Final should be more important, isn't it?

My proposed MEN team:
1. Simon Santoso (let him fight to win a medal)
2. Tommy Sugiarto
3. Bandar Sigit Pamungkas
4. Alamsyah Yunus
5. Hendra A. Gunawan
6. Joko Riyadi (likewise, let AG/Joko fight it out to win a medal, which can boost their confidence for next year)
7. Bona Septano
8. Mohd Ahsan
9. Devin Lahardi
10. Lingga Lie

My proposed WOMEN team:
1. Maria Kristin
2. Adriyanti Firdasari
3. Pia Zebadiah
4. Lita Nurlita
5. Nitya Krishinda
6. Yulianti
7. Richi Dili Puspita
8. Nathalia Poluakan
9. Devi Tika Permatasari
10. Nadya Melati

Well..INA will still send their top players.........

[taufik-ist]

INA won't skip HK Open laaaah. We all know it is part of the Yonex-PBSI contract... ;) :p

and it's also important for getting points of Olympic.... ina players ranking are not good in general

[chemile]

I think PBSI can ask Djarum Club players to participate in SEA Games, and the squad will be:

MEN's team:
1. Andre Kurniawan Tedjono
2. Tommy Sugiarto
3. Alamsyah
4. Ari Yuli Wahyu or Arif Nandang (INA junior player)
5. Hendra A.G
6. Joko Riyadi
7. Ahmad Tantowi
8. Devin Lahardi
9. Bona Septano
10 Ahsan

WOMEN's team:
1. Adriyanti Firdasari (fight to beat WMC)
2. Pia Zebadiah
3. Sylvinna Kurniawan
4. Maria Elfira
5. Endang Nursugianti (try to beat MAS pair, since they didn't show good performance also in SS)
6. Rani Mundiasti
7. Nitya Khrisinda
8. Lita Nurlita
9. Yulianti
10. Richi

INDIVIDUAL:
MS:
Andre Kurniawan & Tommy Sugiarto
WS:
Adriyanti Firdasari & Sylvinna Kurniawan
MD:
Bona Septano/Ahsan & Hendra/Joko
WD:
Endang/Rani & Lita/Nitya
XD:
Devin/Lita & Tantowi/Yulianti or Hendra/Endang Nursugianti

[yannie]

If INA top players are going to Sea Games, then how about the Super Series Final? Go or skip?

Sea Games:
Dec. 6-15

Super Series Final:
Dec. 18-23

[ants]

They will go for sure.. for Super Series Finals.. not all will qualify for it.

[taufik-ist]

If INA top players are going to Sea Games, then how about the Super Series Final? Go or skip?

Sea Games:
Dec. 6-15

Super Series Final:
Dec. 18-23

no skip lah.... KL is 'near' from Thailand :D :D

[samuel882]

GOOD NEWS FOR MAS!
especially LCW & KKK/TBH, by that time (SS Finals) , all the INA top MS & MD players will be exhausted :p

[taufik-ist]

GOOD NEWS FOR MAS!
especially LCW & KKK/TBH, by that time (SS Finals) , all the INA top MS & MD players will be exhausted :p

LOL... we dont' need find excuses if they lose... you've made for us :D :p

[chemile]

PBSI must have priority and KONI (Indonesia Sport Committe) must understanf and do not force their want. I think MAS did a good decision with not put all their top players at SEA Games... They have higher priority, OG gold than SG gold.... :P
I don't understand why KONI still retain their shallow opinion with send the world players to SG. SG objective is to increase and train the South East Asian' athletes to achieve to world level.

[yannie]

PBSI didn't think of changing the schedule?? Too bad all their players will be more than exhausted by the end of the year... Crazy...

[huangkwokhau]

PBSI must have priority and KONI (Indonesia Sport Committe) must understanf and do not force their want. I think MAS did a good decision with not put all their top players at SEA Games... They have higher priority, OG gold than SG gold.... :P
I don't understand why KONI still retain their shallow opinion with send the world players to SG. SG objective is to increase and train the South East Asian' athletes to achieve to world level.
KONI is afraid that INA will be falling into 6th palce...:D:D I think KONI should focus on swimming and Track and Field.......because badminton can provide 7 gold medals...and yet INA has not done well in those 2 disciplines ( swimming and Track)....wel...Thats our KONI....we know they way they think......we lest we know that KONI knows how to spend...:(:( sad..sad.........Badminton players agreed to participate in Sea games because f ther eward...for Badminton, the gold medalist will get 250 million rupiahs ( or US$ 27000) but tennis Table provide US$ 107,000 for gold medalist....;):rolleyes::confused:

[jurong_twister]

That's why we shouldnt let monkeys leading an organization. Their brain is much smaller than human.

[pjswift]

GOOD NEWS FOR MAS!
especially LCW & KKK/TBH, by that time (SS Finals) , all the INA top MS & MD players will be exhausted :p
Why would MAS need INA to be exhausted to take them out? On a normal tournament basis, INA is known for lack of stamina. Anyway looking at the competitive field, SG won't exhaust them; it won't be tough.