Rexy cancels one-week holiday for shuttlers

[Jessica]

By RAJES PAUL

KUALA LUMPUR: There was no one-week holiday for the men’s doubles players after the World Championships. They resumed training as early as 6.30am on Monday but Koo Kien Keat and his team-mates are taking it all in their strides.
“The coach (Rexy Mainaky) is very annoyed with our performances in the World Championships. We were looking forward to a holiday but he has cancelled it. Now we have to train three times daily instead of two,” said Kien Keat.
“We will have two sessions in the morning (6.30-8.30am and 9.30am-12noon) followed by an afternoon workout (3.30-5.30pm). We almost collapsed after the first day’s sessions.
“But nothing is too tough for me. I have always worked and trained hard. The other players and I will get used to the routine. The coach is pushing us hard and it is all for our own good.”
On their failure in the World Championships, the 22-year-old Kien Keat said it had showed up their lack of experience in handling the situation at the crucial stage.
Kien Keat and his partner, Boon Heong, were the second seeds and were eliminated by Japan’s Shuichi Sakamoto-Shintaro Ikeda in the quarter-finals.
Instead of wallowing in self pity over the defeat, Kien Keat said that they would look at the failure to win a medal from the positive side.
“No one is to be blamed. Winning and losing are part of the game. But what is more important is to learn from the mistakes and not repeat them,” he said. “Like everyone else, Boon Heong and I wanted to win the title. The defeat will remind us to strive harder.”
After winning three legs of the Super Series – in Malaysia, England and Switzerland – the relatively new pair in the world arena have now shifted their sights for glory in the Super Series Masters Finals, scheduled for Dec 18-23. The venue of the Finals has not been finalised yet.
The duo will compete in the Japan Open (Sept 11-16), which is the eighth stop of the 12-leg series. Incidentally, the Japan Open last October was their first international tournament together as a pair and they finished as runners-up.
“We will bounce back with a good showing in Tokyo. Ultimately our target for the year is to make the cut and win honours in the Super Series Finals,” said Kien Keat, who with Boon Heong also won the Asian Games gold medal last December and the Philippines Open last month. Kien Keat-Boon Heong are now in second place in the Super Series standings behind China’s Cai Yun-Fu Haifeng. The top eight pairs qualify for the Finals.

[Darien]

trust me, this makes no difference too...:P

[bic33]

hmm... i see a matured KKK...
amazing, just a couple of months ago, he was the one being scolded...
great recovery from the defeat! :D

[Hitman71]

trust me, this makes no difference too...:P


Doesn't matter because now we can support Kido n Setiawan :D and JJS/LYD also ... :D :D :D and of course Tan Fook / Wan Wah ...

[wilfredlgf]

trust me, this makes no difference too...:P
Of course, why do they even bother, yes? :rolleyes:

[chiamhc]

They need to know how to handle pressure from fans when are playing in Malaysia. They are the people who cheer or boo for you...!

[Blurry D]

hmm... i see a matured KKK...
amazing, just a couple of months ago, he was the one being scolded...
great recovery from the defeat! :D

Haha yea KKK was always being fired at and now someone had become a big boy..TBH get the heat now.. they are young they still have a long way.

TG/CW was 23 or 24 when they won they first olympic gold medal..so its a long way more..

[clearng]

KKK & TBH they have done all their job
but by the way they are just young boy
very very young
they dunno how to handle the media presure, thats for sure


LWW & CTF they almost retired
they can play relax with not presure
cause they are nothing to lose

KKK & TBH
the whole malaysia hope they can win the title
some ppl also hope KKK&TBH vs CY&FHF in final
they buy the final ticket just for these 2 pairs

so ? wat do u think

[thiery]

this surely works....i still think rexy shall include more sessions...the chinese train 8 hours a day (Mas only recently 7 hrs). See.....China is now producing world class players. The hours of practice do matters.

[george@chongwei]

practise is practise, but can archieve results in tournament or not.... dont after they practise so hard, then when competition begin, they ill or pressured

[wilfredlgf]

this surely works....i still think rexy shall include more sessions...the chinese train 8 hours a day (Mas only recently 7 hrs). See.....China is now producing world class players. The hours of practice do matters.
No it doesn't. The most important thing is what they do in that 7 hours. The right approach is more important than the amount of time spent.

[chiamhc]

I agreed with wilfredlgf - Right approach. Please provide good suggestions for the coaches and players, i sure they welcome our ideas.

[thiery]

No it doesn't. The most important thing is what they do in that 7 hours. The right approach is more important than the amount of time spent.

of course rexy knows what the right approach are...he was a player before and undergone harsh training.

if they are doing 8 hours of right approach training, certainly it's better than 7 hrs. LYB certainly knows 8 hrs are good for his players.

[george@chongwei]

the coach knows whats the best for the players....so i fink the players will be more concentrate during training with tis 3 sessions of training

[chiamhc]

Most important is the player, have they really change their attitude toward the game and mentally become stronger than before. Are they really motivated?

TBH & KKK failed to win the game because of pressure. They made themselves nervous the last few points.

[wilfredlgf]

of course rexy knows what the right approach are...he was a player before and undergone harsh training.

if they are doing 8 hours of right approach training, certainly it's better than 7 hrs. LYB certainly knows 8 hrs are good for his players.

Why won't 7 hours be good enough for Rexy's boys? You don't think internal/external influence, personality and luck to have any bearings on their performance too? Players aren't carbon copies of their peers - although China has the advantage of carbon copying the kind of player they want from the pool of talent to choose from.

I still believe the implosion in the WC is more of a problem with mentality than ability. I don't know, I'm just not comfortable with equating the effect of training to the amount of hours spent because it seems to oversimplify things too much.

If you're to take it literally, imho Rexy was a better player (hence better trained) than LYB was during the player days, hence he could do well enough with one less hour.

The above doesn't sound very right, does it?

[dunker]

Well said, wilfredlgf. I dont think training time have all that much influence in results. What is more important is the quality of the training.

[thiery]

The above doesn't sound very right, does it?

It sounds right. LCW and Hafiz were praised by Misbun for turning up earliest during training. They were also the last to leave. However, in the end, both didnt perform. 7 or 8 hrs dont really matter. The most important is the results.

I still think, the more you practice, the more you learn. I'm not comparing China with Malaysia but long hours of practice do show results. China has proven that 8 hrs works. Do you have any prove showing that 7 hrs perday resulted in another Lin Dan, Zhang Ning or Gao Ling?

So until 7hrs have produced a result, we have to stick to the fact that 8 hrs (or long hrs) of training is still better.

[wilfredlgf]

I still believe you're oversimplifying matters there. If it were that simple every nation need to just adopt 8 hours or more to produce world champions.

Why didn't the BAM thought of such a simple solution before? The answer is because it is just not as simple as that.

But of course, China is dominating because they did so, it must be the key ingredient to their success.

I have trouble following that argument.

[valxuan]

just hope all of the msian players will hang in there......
hope they all will take care of themselves....haihh

[thiery]

I still believe you're oversimplifying matters there. If it were that simple every nation need to just adopt 8 hours or more to produce world champions.


China players train consistently 8hrs/day for ages, perhaps the moment a player joins the badminton academy.

Some other countries only do it for 2-3 years or only do so when the tournaments are near. How can every nation that implement 8hrs or more can produce WC consistently like China? It's surely not as simple as that.

If you think 7hrs for Malaysian players are the best of the best, you win. Argument ends here. :cool: Only the coaches and players know what are the best. Anything that they do beyond the 7hrs is an extra bonus.

[wilfredlgf]

I was ready to concede that one additional hour may add some marginal advantage with extra time for training but I cannot accept it being the key ingredient that differentiates between the quality of players from MAS and CHN.

As with every other sports in the world, talent is inborn - you either have it or don't. You can train on the physical aspects to take advantage of the talents but you can't do the reverse.

We'll have to agree to disagree on this, then. :cool:


Some other countries only do it for 2-3 years or only do so when the tournaments are near. How can every nation that implement 8hrs or more can produce WC consistently like China? It's surely not as simple as that.
It's not that simple indeed.



If you think 7hrs for Malaysian players are the best of the best, you win. Argument ends here. :cool: Only the coaches and players know what are the best. Anything that they do beyond the 7hrs is an extra bonus.
To be honest, I don't know how many hours is good enough for Malaysian players but I'm pretty sure it differs to other coaching setups at other places depending on the situation, culture, politics, management et al.

I'm quite sure China's blueprint isn't without flaws too - their powerful and speedy men's doubles often get outwitted by smarter and more tactical players.

My take on China's domination of world badminton lies in the fierce competition for places in the national team. They can probably find 5 Lin Dan-type players every 10 years or so while probably just one or none for other nations in the world. We have not seen the likes of young players like Peter Gade from Denmark for a long while, neither have we seen an equal of Susi Susanti from Indonesia with the exception of Mia Audina, many years later.

That is just by talent alone. What about the additional factors that I mentioned a earlier? 5 Lin Dans become 2, while others stay at 1 or often, becomes 0.

I'm pretty sure LCW would do a lot better if he had players of his calibre or better competing for places as the nation's number one, knowing that the kind of outburst against YKH may just push him out of the picture in favour of his local rival.

Again, how to deal with this? I don't know. Make more babies? :)

[4evercool]

May be this is the good start 4 kkk n tbh coz practice makes prefect so hope them can "recovered" soon

[pjswift]

Well said, wilfredlgf. I dont think training time have all that much influence in results. What is more important is the quality of the training.
Quality is assumed. You think Rexy would give them dumbo training? What is crucial is to reach threshold duration. To find out, they need to experiment.If they are not getting consistent results with 5, 6 or 7 hours, then try and match CHN's 8 hours and see what happens.Hope MAS MDs survive 8 hours!

[ctjcad]

I still believe you're oversimplifying matters there. If it were that simple every nation need to just adopt 8 hours or more to produce world champions.

If you think 7hrs for Malaysian players are the best of the best, you win. Argument ends here. :cool: Only the coaches and players know what are the best. Anything that they do beyond the 7hrs is an extra bonus.
:p..instead of 7 or 8 hrs of training/day, any M'sian players up for a 9 or 10 hrs training/day??..let's see if that training method will produce the desired effects..:confused::rolleyes:;)

[olympic]

Hi, everyone! I am new here.
Hopefully the doubles player could buck up after tough tough tough training.

[alfa-2]

Again, how to deal with this? I don't know. Make more babies? :)

yeah, couldnt agree more. making babies.....hmmm......:p:p:p:p

[meiying]

The players' leg were sore. Most of them walk very funny(today should be better) maybe still not use to the 3 sessions. Haha

[samuel882]

yeah, couldnt agree more. making babies.....hmmm......:p:p:p:p

Could it be too early for LCW & WMC :rolleyes::rolleyes: They aint married yet :p:p

[Cheung]

Hi, everyone! I am new here.
Hopefully the doubles player could buck up after tough tough tough training.Tough training is a recurring theme with MAS players. There are always reports of tougher training. It is well known that elite athletes will actually taper off the tough training towards a competition. I don't expect this tough regime will last for long.

[thiery]

Could it be too early for LCW & WMC :rolleyes::rolleyes: They aint married yet :p:p

hahaha......love this funny comment. LD & XXF aint married yet too.

BTW, i saw a news on ESPN channel today. It was said that the 3 sessions per day are not final yet. The coaches and players will meet with NSC (National Sports Council) next week. During the meeting, they'll all discuss abt this matter. And then, the NSC will make the final decision. So weird, why should NSC be the one to make the decision? They know nothing!!!

this is also the first time in so many months that ESPN has a news on Badminton. there surely is an increase in publicity. good for badminton.

[aaron_11]

this surely works....i still think rexy shall include more sessions...the chinese train 8 hours a day (Mas only recently 7 hrs). See.....China is now producing world class players. The hours of practice do matters.

if they practise so much(even 10 hours a day) but their mind is somewhere else, then wats the point of practising?? if they can fully concentrate n train hard for tat 7 hours, i don see y they cant compete against china players... n mas players should buck up n don be so money minded.. they should be more consistent in winning more tournaments.. n also don over proud of wat they have achived..

[USAfan]

Just like what's being said by Rexy, you can't make the horse drink !!! Its up to each players' desire to train hard or wanting bad to win. Tiger Woods doesn't need his trainer forced him to train, he has a regiment schedule to get up early before dawn to work on his game. He hits over 1000 balls every session and go over to the putting green and putt again and again until he could putt into the cup three times in a roll before moving from the spot. That's determination from an inner-self. Our players need to acknowledge that by achieving good results comes with hard work and pure determination. Vijay Singh is considered the hardest working player in the tour and he realized for his age he have to train twice as hard, there's no short cut to success. Its high time the players start growing up and take responsibility. Don't led any outside be a hinderance, you will always be under scrutiny and critised as long as you are in the highlight of the public. Turn the negative to positive and set the mind to only the positive thoughts. Discipline the behaviours to do well and at the end of the day, you can have the satisfaction that you gave your best. Respect the game and the game will be kind to you.

[aaron_11]

yeah tats true.. but the prob wit our players is that they just wouldnt work hard if theres no reward or some other incentives.. i think if u offer them certain amount of cash or rewards for winning each tournament then i think MAS badminton team will be as strong as CHN..

[anr001]

From my opinion, Malaysian players may feel too comfortable with their status in the National team...until now...we can see there's no new junior player that show a great performance (or can beat the existing senior player). In other words, Malaysia has no potential back up player.

Senior player already know that they are in the comfortable zone (no worries of being kick out)...there's no spirit in themself to play & struggle so hard..coz winning or not... they can live richly.

Lets see other team such as China & Indonesia..I see their player play really hard and play for themselves... there's a number of waiting list of junior player which can replace them if they r not perform well.

[aaron_11]

players such as roslin, lee tsuen seng, sairul, yogen, james etc should retired n give their places to more potential young back up players such as arif, chun seang, kwong beng etc... tis young players are more energetic n more determinant then their senior players.. they have passed their supreme time n its time for our junior players to shine in international arena..

[USAfan]

I 'm not familiar with the junior players, maybe its high time that BAM replace some of the seniors for being complacent. What do we have to loose, I see more experience for the juniors plus the seniors are not winning anyway !!!!! Who are the juniors that we know that will give us the winning glory in the near future ??????

[thiery]

players such as roslin, lee tsuen seng, sairul, yogen, james etc should retired n give their places to more potential young back up players such as arif, chun seang, kwong beng etc... tis young players are more energetic n more determinant then their senior players.. they have passed their supreme time n its time for our junior players to shine in international arena..

these players are no longer in the national team.

[Pemuda]

I think Rexy is fighting a loss cause. You can cancel the holidays or install additional training sessions, but if the core is rotten, it will be an uphill battle all the way.

The problem we have in Msia is mentality and the sports associations being managed by politicians and their band of yes men. Mentality wise, our players are weak. They are not professionals. They get distracted easily and are pampered.

So, I believe Rexy is fighting a losing battle. Sooner or later, he will have enough and will pack it in. A top notch coach like Rexy can do wonders in S Korea, Japan, England.

[wilfredlgf]

So, Pemuda, any good ideas on how to deal with this then? I don't believe in sitting down and doing nothing either.

[kenny7_2006]

the additional training sessions is alright, just make it fun.. as a player, u of coz want a good session, but at the same time a little fun so that it wont feel boring and monotonous...

what Rexy should introduce (or add) is techncal analysis or video analysis on their opponents, kinda like what Rafa Benitez has been doing with Liverpool in the EPL...

KKK-TBH has the attitude to succeed, and of coz CTF-LWW... The rest, im not so sure, on-off performances....

[ye333]

Well, I think it is clear that Chinese players have better physical ability compared to Mas players. Look at CY/FHF, their movements IMHO are not as efficient as KKK/TBH, nevertheless, they appear at least as fast as the latter. Why is that? I believe it's physical training. Or look at CJ. How did he beat Simon? He has the ability of running endlessly and smashing when it seems impossible -- as a consequence Simon has no idea how to move CJ around. Again, it should be due to severe physical training.

If you are physically superior to your opponent, you get "extra" confidence. For example, CY/FHF, they know they are the only pair who can relentlessly attack through the whole 3 games (in contrast, KKK/TBH usually "take a rest" in the 2nd game); LD, he knows he will be the one who is faster in any 3rd game. So physical training helps mentality too.


No it doesn't. The most important thing is what they do in that 7 hours. The right approach is more important than the amount of time spent.

[ye333]

Nonono, I do hope Rexy could coach in China in the future!



So, I believe Rexy is fighting a losing battle. Sooner or later, he will have enough and will pack it in. A top notch coach like Rexy can do wonders in S Korea, Japan, England.

[Pemuda]

So, Pemuda, any good ideas on how to deal with this then? I don't believe in sitting down and doing nothing either.

Well, start with BAM first. We need professional administrators not politicians and their lackeys. Get the administration and management thingy right and we will have a foundation which is solid to work from.
Then we need a strong head coach. Someone like LYB, who will take no nonsense nor any prisoners. The head coach decides who train under who, and not the other way around. Stop the breast feeding and the pampering, and we will have a competitive environment.

[samuel882]

Well, start with BAM first. We need professional administrators not politicians and their lackeys. Get the administration and management thingy right and we will have a foundation which is solid to work from.
Then we need a strong head coach. Someone like LYB, who will take no nonsense nor any prisoners. The head coach decides who train under who, and not the other way around. Stop the breast feeding and the pampering, and we will have a competitive environment.

I wonder how many "LYB" could we get in the world this time around :rolleyes:

[llpjlau]

practice does matter... and the time put towards it as well...

[Pemuda]

I wonder how many "LYB" could we get in the world this time around :rolleyes:

I said someone like LYB ;) No wonder Msia are in the pits with so many clueless around.

[samuel882]

I said someone like LYB ;) No wonder Msia are in the pits with so many clueless around.

Then tell us who is the candidates for "someone" like LYB

[llpjlau]

yes, who are the candidates?
its something like this :
A: where can i buy a 100gb hard disk in Kuala lumpur?
B: you can buy a 100gb hard disk at a shop

thats what you are doing, you are giving the solution alright but ya you know..
furthermore, the azlina minister woman or sth already requested all politicians to step down from their positions in sporting organizations.

edit:
btw, i think samuel882 made sense here:
"I wonder how many "LYB" could we get in the world this time around :rolleyes:"
he was not talking about LYB himself but "LYB" which means someone like LYB which pemuda went on to say after that... i dont know if i make sense but reread it if you dont get it

[Pemuda]

Then tell us who is the candidates for "someone" like LYB

Sure!
In my opinion, if we wanna go for a local, Tan Yee Khan.
Other than Yee Khan, Park Joo Bong or Morten Frost.
These 3 are no nonsense in their approach.

Since, we are on the subject, tell me what do you think are the cure for Malaysian badminton?

[Pemuda]

yes, who are the candidates?
its something like this :
A: where can i buy a 100gb hard disk in Kuala lumpur?
B: you can buy a 100gb hard disk at a shop

thats what you are doing, you are giving the solution alright but ya you know..
furthermore, the azlina minister woman or sth already requested all politicians to step down from their positions in sporting organizations.

edit:
btw, i think samuel882 made sense here:
"I wonder how many "LYB" could we get in the world this time around :rolleyes:"
he was not talking about LYB himself but "LYB" which means someone like LYB which pemuda went on to say after that... i dont know if i make sense but reread it if you dont get it

You need to know the difference between "asking to step down" and making it mandatory that all politicians are prohibited to hold positions in sporting associations.

And since we are on the subject, mind to share to us your thoughts on the cure for our badminton?:confused:

[llpjlau]

and didnt politicians step down?

i dont think there is a definite 'cure' for malaysian badminton. we arent doing that bad as well.
for example, always coming in second is still... coming in second or in other words, not coming first. i guess we focus too much on not coming first instead of coming in second.
sometimes its just talent and skill. malaysia might not have the resources (labour) to satisfy it's ambitions. china has over 1 billion people to 'choose' from which gives them a wide wide wide range of choices. if there is only 1 phone (lets say... nokia6610) available on the market, then you have to go for that if u want a phone. but if there are 3 phones (nokia6610, k700 and v3) then you have a choice between them - thus u can choose the best or the one that suits ur needs.

and at times its infrastructure. do we have enough academies at schoolboy level? i have no idea whatsoever. perhaps we do, perhaps we dont.

what about mentality? of course, malaysia as a whole does not work as a single unit. there are vasts differences in people's mentalities. for example, Pemuda is critical of malaysian badminton. ants is somewhat neutral and logical. while others are true fans, always supporting the cohort. do our players have the right mentality? perhaps. they do have passion for the game (if not they wouldn't be playing professionaly would they). they do have ambition and rather strong determination. all in all, its a learning process. TBH cracked, too bad. i believe he would take the experience and build on it.

you have to admit that there is some truth in the "truth" behind the racket head of malaysian players. i dont agree with political interference in sporting bodies or events. whether or not that affects the players is another debate.

my personal suggestion changes from time to time, clearly to suit different situations and issues.

going back to the initial topic of this thread, i think Rexy canceling the one-week holiday does help the players in one way or another.
i love trainings. i think any extra training would do more good than harm. i know i can get better with more trainings.

i guess its rather difficult for badminton. lets take a look at football (soccer), a new manager of a team would bring in players who fits his playing mentality. if he loves to play an anchorman in midfield, he would get a player like claude makalele to fit his stereotype of a good anchorman. if he wants a fast striker who would come deep to get the ball he would be interested in securing the services of theirry henry.
in baddie, its so different. we can't just buy/sell players as we see fit. if LYB loves to exert his dominance over his players, then they have to submit or risk being dropped. in malaysia there isnt such freedom, if you may. lets say you drop LCW, who is going to take the no1 MS position? you best chance would be to keep LCW there.

edit:
you would also have to see if those coaches would come to malaysia and take up the position. morten frost is unlikely to, park dont think so and the other local, never heard of him. we dont produce too many talented coaches locally.

[USAfan]

players such as roslin, lee tsuen seng, sairul, yogen, james etc should retired n give their places to more potential young back up players such as arif, chun seang, kwong beng etc... tis young players are more energetic n more determinant then their senior players.. they have passed their supreme time n its time for our junior players to shine in international arena..

Why why are the juniors not given the exposure ? YOU CAN'T HOLD BACK THE PLAYERS !!!! Time to scrape the projected plans and start grooming the juniors ASAP. Didn't Rexy gave the junior XD players the chance to gain some major tournament experience ???? STOP WASTING TIME AND MONEY ON DEAD MEAT :mad:

[Pemuda]

and didnt politicians step down?

i dont think there is a definite 'cure' for malaysian badminton. we arent doing that bad as well.
for example, always coming in second is still... coming in second or in other words, not coming first. i guess we focus too much on not coming first instead of coming in second.
sometimes its just talent and skill. malaysia might not have the resources (labour) to satisfy it's ambitions. china has over 1 billion people to 'choose' from which gives them a wide wide wide range of choices. if there is only 1 phone (lets say... nokia6610) available on the market, then you have to go for that if u want a phone. but if there are 3 phones (nokia6610, k700 and v3) then you have a choice between them - thus u can choose the best or the one that suits ur needs.

and at times its infrastructure. do we have enough academies at schoolboy level? i have no idea whatsoever. perhaps we do, perhaps we dont.

what about mentality? of course, malaysia as a whole does not work as a single unit. there are vasts differences in people's mentalities. for example, Pemuda is critical of malaysian badminton. ants is somewhat neutral and logical. while others are true fans, always supporting the cohort. do our players have the right mentality? perhaps. they do have passion for the game (if not they wouldn't be playing professionaly would they). they do have ambition and rather strong determination. all in all, its a learning process. TBH cracked, too bad. i believe he would take the experience and build on it.

you have to admit that there is some truth in the "truth" behind the racket head of malaysian players. i dont agree with political interference in sporting bodies or events. whether or not that affects the players is another debate.

my personal suggestion changes from time to time, clearly to suit different situations and issues.

going back to the initial topic of this thread, i think Rexy canceling the one-week holiday does help the players in one way or another.
i love trainings. i think any extra training would do more good than harm. i know i can get better with more trainings.

i guess its rather difficult for badminton. lets take a look at football (soccer), a new manager of a team would bring in players who fits his playing mentality. if he loves to play an anchorman in midfield, he would get a player like claude makalele to fit his stereotype of a good anchorman. if he wants a fast striker who would come deep to get the ball he would be interested in securing the services of theirry henry.
in baddie, its so different. we can't just buy/sell players as we see fit. if LYB loves to exert his dominance over his players, then they have to submit or risk being dropped. in malaysia there isnt such freedom, if you may. lets say you drop LCW, who is going to take the no1 MS position? you best chance would be to keep LCW there.

edit:
you would also have to see if those coaches would come to malaysia and take up the position. morten frost is unlikely to, park dont think so and the other local, never heard of him. we dont produce too many talented coaches locally.

Nope, the politicians are still there, sticking to the sports association like super glue.
Having a guy like Zakaria Deros in the Selangor Badminton Association pretty much tells you the fate of Msian badminton.

The population thingy is rather subjective. If sports domination is down to population size, then China would have won the football world cup a few times over by now. Denmark has a relative small population and yet they have produced world class badminton players and have beaten Msia in a few Thomas Cup series.

Football for example, we were at par with S Korea in the 60s, 70s and early 80s, but look what happened to them and us? We used to whip Japan back in the old days, look at Japan now. What happened? Population in Japan/Korea more than Msia? Fyi, Trinidad & Tobago made it to the WC 2006 and the population of T&T is around 1.5 million!

It is the same in badminton, we continue to stick with the prima donnas and as long as we dont have the guts to drop them, we will get poor results. Our juniors will be deprieved of gaining the experience and thus the usual argument of no talent pool etc etc.

[Pemuda]

By the way, Morten Frost coached Malaysia back in the 90s. But he left because he got fed up with the meddling officials and etc.

Tan Yee Khan is a legend, fyi.

[llpjlau]

i'm pretty sure i said more than just population.

[Pemuda]

Population is the key to you. :rolleyes:

[samuel882]

By the way, Morten Frost coached Malaysia back in the 90s. But he left because he got fed up with the meddling officials and etc.

Tan Yee Khan is a legend, fyi.


I am not sure about his coaching results.. But from wat we have seen so far, a legend in his players carriers does not means he will be a great coach:rolleyes:

[Pemuda]

I am not sure about his coaching results.. But from wat we have seen so far, a legend in his players carriers does not means he will be a great coach:rolleyes:

Well, like I said in Msian badminton. There are too many politicians and their lackeys in BAM. As such, you will have favourtism. Yee Khan was never given a chance and I doubt the man want to get his hands dirty as well.

I guess an indisciplined and rebel of a player in his playing days like Misbun is a good coach then, eh? :rolleyes:

[USAfan]

I wonder how many "LYB" could we get in the world this time around :rolleyes:

Why look far when you have one in your payroll. REXY, no nonsense with the players, disciplinary guy and not afraid to rock the boat.

AG 2007 - told his players he had enough , will take his coaching somewhere else where it will be appreciated
Dismantle the pairs and took the challenge into forming new combinations regardless the points that might affect the seedings
Who was the one that demanded to give the junior XD the exposure
Face the truth with his players and discipline them when needed
Respect by his peers and also the players
Great motivator, ask LCW
Voice his opinion instead of hiding behind BAM - ask the press
He is a champion himself, knows exactly what and how to become oneEnough said, give the man the resources and leave him alone for 2-3 years and you will see him giving China a run.

[samuel882]

Well, like I said in Msian badminton. There are too many politicians and their lackeys in BAM. As such, you will have favourtism. Yee Khan was never given a chance and I doubt the man want to get his hands dirty as well.

I guess an indisciplined and rebel of a player in his playing days like Misbun is a good coach then, eh? :rolleyes:
LCW results under LiMAO

I guess I never admit Misbun is a great coach.. However, LCW results under his guidance :

1. Indonesia open '07 - Winner
2. Philipine Open '07 - Winner
3. China Master '07 - Semi Finalist

While LCW didn't achieve consistency in LiMao's belt.. Who do u fink will be his best coach at the moment. ?

[samuel882]

Why look far when you have one in your payroll. REXY, no nonsense with the players, disciplinary guy and not afraid to rock the boat.
AG 2007 - told his players he had enough , will take his coaching somewhere else where it will be appreciated
Dismantle the pairs and took the challenge into forming new combinations regardless the points that might affect the seedings
Who was the one that demanded to give the junior XD the exposure
Face the truth with his players and discipline them when needed
Respect by his peers and also the players
Great motivator, ask LCW
Voice his opinion instead of hiding behind BAM - ask the press
He is a champion himself, knows exactly what and how to become oneEnough said, give the man the resources and leave him alone for 2-3 years and you will see him giving China a run.

Agreed.. Rexy could be the greatest MD coach ever in Badminton History provided no hindrance or any stepping hand on his task by politics in BAM..

MAS main problem is lacking a high performance head coach who able to groom the juniors into success.. RAshid could found himself in the hot seat & too much to handle base on so many talented juniors players put under his charges...

[llpjlau]

i'm still pretty sure i mentioned more than just population.
i cant say for sure why china hasn't win the world cup. it might be culture. Europeans enjoy football much more than Asians.

[Pemuda]

And I believe other than population, I also mentioned the administration part i.e. being managed by politicians and all.:rolleyes:

Cultural thingy? :rolleyes: European enjoyed football more than Asians?? :rolleyes::rolleyes: Dude, maybe you need to recheck your facts a little.

[Pemuda]

LCW results under LiMAO

I guess I never admit Misbun is a great coach.. However, LCW results under his guidance :

1. Indonesia open '07 - Winner
2. Philipine Open '07 - Winner
3. China Master '07 - Semi Finalist

While LCW didn't achieve consistency in LiMao's belt.. Who do u fink will be his best coach at the moment. ?

You only listed three. What about his numerous failures?? And lets leave out the Philipine Open, shall we?? We need to set some standards la.

Who do I think will be his best coach? Well, put it this way, we need to look at the root of the problem. First of all, we need to set the house in order, which is BAM. Too many jokers running the game. We need to ship jokers like Zakaria Deros out of the game. Remove those blood suckers and their hanger ons and put in the professionals.

If you dont, no matter who you put as head coach, it wont work. Morten Frost walked out because of this.

Thats the big picture

[llpjlau]

yes, Europeans do enjoy football more than Asians.

[Pemuda]

Based on .... ?

[llpjlau]

in the UK football is life.
other EU countries not so much 'life' but still a big part of their culture.
there are so many people in malaysia, not to mention asia that don't play football at all
nevertheless, it is still the world game. it is played on every continent.