latest from international.org... looks like there will be clash of the titans....LCW vs HAFIZ, gade vs WCH, TH vs CH...Sony vs ronald, while BOONSAK vs BCL.... these are the exciting matches to be played DURING the JAPAN OPEN 2007 1ST ROUND of the Men Single...for more information about other event draw,go here http://internationalbadminton.org (http://internationalbadminton.org/newscontent.asp?pageid={8DC28F82-F113-44B1-9EF7-C2CBB8FC79C0) to find out...
cheers:):)

A bad draw for Team INA :mad:

MS
Sony Dwi Kuncoro vs Ronald Susilo -- the winner should take on Lee Chong Wei. Could it be a rematch?

Taufik Hidayat vs Chen Hong

Simon Santoso vs Lee Tsuen Tseng -- the winner will play against either Bao Chunlai or Boonsak Ponsana

WSQ
Adriyanti Firdasari vs Wang Yihan :mad:

WS
Maria Kristin Yulianti vs Petya Nedeltchva

MD
Markis Kido/Hendra Setiawan vs Hendra A. Gunawan/Joko Riyadi (that's the third time they are drawn together :cool:) -- a super unlucky draw for AG/Joko yet again.

Tony Gunawan/Candra Wijaya vs Howard Bach/Bob Malaythong Khan -- winner takes on Gan Teik Chai/Lin Woon Fui.

Luluk Hadiyanto/Alvent Yulianto vs Tsai Chia-Hsin/Hu Chung-Hsian -- winner should play against Koo Kien Keat/Tan Boon Heong :mad:

WD
Vita Marissa/Lilyana Natsir vs Johanna Persson/Elin Berglom -- an easy opener before a tough match against Gao Ling/Huang Sui in the second round.

Rani Mundiasti/Endang Nursugianti vs Satoko Suetsuna/Miyuki Maeda -- a tough match against the home pair.

XD
Nova Widianto/Lilyana Natsir vs Xu Chen/Zhao Tingting -- a tough opener for the World Champion and winning the match should see a matchup against Lee Jae Jin/Hwang Yu Mi

Flandy Limpele/Vita Marissa vs Jens Eriksen/Helle Nielsen -- a relatively good draw for Flandy/Vita with Nathan Robertson/Gail Emms waiting for them yet again in the QF.

Other interesting matchups with many of them involving fellow team-mates:

MS
Peter Gade vs Wong Choong Hann
Lee Chong Wei vs Mohd Hafiz Hashim
Bao Chunlai vs Boonsak Poonsana

WS
Zhu Lin vs Yip Pui Yin

MD
Fu Haifeng/Cai Yun vs Guo Zhendong/Xie Zhongbo
Koo Kien Keat/Tan Boon Heong vs Tan Bin Shen/Ong Soon Hock
Simon Mollyhus/Anders Kristiansen vs Lars Paaske/Jonas Rasmussen

WD
Chou Chia-Chi/Ku Pei-Ting vs Chien Yu-Chin/Cheng Wen-Hsing

XD
Anthony Clark/Donna Kellogg vs Lee Yong Dae/Ha Jung Eun
Lee Jae Jin/Hwang Yu Mi vs Tan Wee Kiong/Woon Khe Wei

Wow...A very exciting draw and expect to have a lot of surprise this time.LCW will meet Sony Kuncoro in the second round after his defeat to him in the WC if he wins against Hafiz.Will he take his revenge or another outcome?BCL vs Boonsak,Taufik vs Chen Hong and WCH vs Peter Gade all happens in the first round.Really a big wow...Can't wait the tournament to start.

MS
Sony Dwi Kuncoro vs Ronald Susilo -- the winner should take on Lee Chong Wei. Could it be a rematch?
- a HIGHLY ANTICIPATED match.. Can LCW avenge his defeat :cool:

Taufik Hidayat vs Chen Hong
- CH should prevail.. Except TH really can left his mind behind of his new baby a JKT

Bao Chunlai or Boonsak Ponsana
BP is hot after defeat CH in recent concludes World Uni Games..

MD
FhY/CY vs Zie/Guo
- By far the cruellest draw for an Chinese MD pair this year..But Feng Yun should make amends of their surprise QF exist at WC in here...

JJS/LYD bs MZL/MFT
- Another early round defeat will further dashed the MAS pair of becoming next strong challenger in MD beside KKK/TBH

Luluk/Alven vs KKK/TBH
- Should the MAS pair overcome their compatriots in 1st round.. They should be able to win this games too.. Another defeat here could be end up with further punishment for MAS pair..
- An interesting point is : Wonder why both pair always been draw together in as many tournaments so far ?

Quite unlucky for Malaysia mens double...KKK/TBH,CCF/LWW and TBS/OSH all draw together...Again in the WS,WMC will meet XXF in the second round if she pass through the first round,a qualifier,should be no problem to her.I wonder why they two always being draw together.

In general, I don't like the results of the Superseries draw... :mad: Somehow, our INA players seem to get beaten up by tough opponents so early on... :mad: We are doing terribly in the 2007 Superseries... Only 2 Superseries titles so far...

Note: I'm not saying any particular country get favoritism in the Superseries. I know MAS' MD draws are often unlucky too... In this Japan Open Superseries and their Malaysian Open Superseries for sure! Actually the one Superseries where the MAS MD team got a great draw was the Indonesian Open Superseries... :) LCW also had a good tournament in Jakarta last May... :)

Will be keen to watch How the hotshot Japanese MD : Sakamoto/ Ikeda play against World no. 1 Feng Yun in the Semis if both can advance that far..
Best Attack vs Best Defense

YEahhh good to know Jiang is back on commpetition,but so sad she has to meet Zhang Ning in the Quarter

this is one crazy draw... compatriots will be facing each other!!!:D

the worse draw i ever met :(

unlucky draw :) :

Lcw vs Hafidz
cai/fu vs GZ/XXB
MK/Hs vs Hendra/Joko
TBH/KKK vs TSB/OHS
JR/LP vs Simon/andre

bao, like sony and lcw, has the cruelest draw... bao vs boonsak then bao vs simon/tsuen seng then maybe bao vs chen yu and then maybe vs chen hong or taufk...

sony and lcw also have difficult paths... they'll probably meet each other... and the winner battles chen jin on the next round...next, they'll be facing LD....:D very bad draws.....

MD draw should be redraw

MD draw should be redraw

Just enjoy the draw bro dont get upset:p:p

bao, like sony and lcw, has the cruelest draw... bao vs boonsak then bao vs simon/tsuen seng then maybe bao vs chen yu and then maybe vs chen hong or taufk...

sony and lcw also have difficult paths... they'll probably meet each other... and the winner battles chen jin on the next round...next, they'll be facing LD....:D very bad draws.....

I would actually call this a very "competitive" draw instead of "bad"... now whoever comes up as the winner does really deserve the title.

Japan open 07 is going to be one heck of a tournament... like super competitive.:cool:

Just hope that Guo/Xie will just either withdraw or win against Fu/Cai in this tournament, their ranking is low enough, and another early exit ain't going to help...LOL:p Guo/Xie ain't yet the best pair, but I like watching them play... kinda like a bigger and slower version of Cai/Fu with Xie screaming every time he smashes...LOL.:D

Just enjoy the draw bro dont get upset:p:p

who's upset :rolleyes:

i'm rockin'.. man http://img47.imageshack.us/img47/2196/678vq1krr8.gif

i was just 'shocked' a little bit to see the draws :p

MD draw should be redraw

Just enjoy the draw bro dont get upset:p:p

I agree with taufik-ist! :mad: I would rather Kido-Hendra play the 1st round against those MAS MD pairs [except KKK-TBH :pand CTF-LWW :p]... Yeah I know I am not BWF and cannot redraw. I just don't like the draw... :mad: :p

[sorry, I don't plan to be childish for long, but among friends, I can be a little bit childish laaahhh]

One of the worst draws ever. Round 1 is just like the semi finals. :eek:

I agree with taufik-ist! :mad: I would rather Kido-Hendra play the 1st round against those MAS MD pairs [except KKK-TBH :pand CTF-LWW :p]... Yeah I know I am not BWF and cannot redraw. I just don't like the draw... :mad: :p

My first reaction was...what ???? AG/Joko nearly got a bad draw everytime and it's likely they will lose again in the first round :cool: If that's the case, they might as well withdraw and save the air ticket....the Chinese is almost certain to do that anyway :rolleyes:

Bad bad bad draws. Good thing i will not be going there.I will just probably watch our own players kill each other no fun.

I would actually call this a very "competitive" draw instead of "bad"... now whoever comes up as the winner does really deserve the title.

Japan open 07 is going to be one heck of a tournament... like super competitive.:cool:

Just hope that Guo/Xie will just either withdraw or win against Fu/Cai in this tournament, their ranking is low enough, and another early exit ain't going to help...LOL:p Guo/Xie ain't yet the best pair, but I like watching them play... kinda like a bigger and slower version of Cai/Fu with Xie screaming every time he smashes...LOL.:D
Now, this the first time i agree with ur comments... ;) The Champions in this JO07 would be definitely worth wise than the WC07 Gold Medalist !

Now, this the first time i agree with ur comments... ;) The Champions in this JO07 would be definitely worth wise than the WC07 Gold Medalist !

Now... I won't go as far as saying this JO title being more worthy than the WC 07 simply because it seems like the draw is more intense, because if that is the case, then Taufik winning OG 04 is worth little then, since he defeated the Boonsak(2004 version) and Shon(don't remember spelling) of Korea in the semi and final... which of course ain't that challenging either.

But winning this JO does prove a point of being one of the very best in the circuit these days though.:cool:

sigh..bad draw again..

Lcw vs HH...:(
KKK/TBH vs TBS/OSH...:crying::crying:..

Cant wait to see the result......too bad I cant go there....

CH is not in good form...TH will beat him this time.....

There will be Redarw,I think!!!!!

Super Series drawing result as usual full of exciting clash at 1st Round because so many top shuttlers to compete with 32 entries limitation in main draw. Well, the surprising Wacha and Anup are absent in Japan, where are they?

LIVE AND LET DIE
good chance for those to build up their mental strength
Sony Dwi Kuncoro vs Ronald Susilo -- pressure on sony
Nova Widianto/Lilyana Natsir vs Xu Chen/Zhao Tingting -- pressure on X/Z
Lee Chong Wei vs Mohd Hafiz Hashim -- pressure on LCW
Bao Chunlai vs Boonsak Poonsana -- pressure on BCL
Zhu Lin vs Yip Pui Yin -- pressure on ZL
Fu Haifeng/Cai Yun vs Guo Zhendong/Xie Zhongbo -- pressure on F/C

MD seems the MAS & INA pair both getting some bad draws..
As Chinese Praise : "Betray ur frans for ur own glory":o

Now, this the first time i agree with ur comments... ;) The Champions in this JO07 would be definitely worth wise than the WC07 Gold Medalist !

Japan Open is worth more than the World Championships? :eek: C'mon...! :eek: Hmmhph, I recently observe some [though not all] non-INA and non-CHN fans belittle the importance and prestige of the World Championship? :(

Now... I won't go as far as saying this JO title being more worthy than the WC 07 simply because it seems like the draw is more intense, because if that is the case, then Taufik winning OG 04 is worth little then, since he defeated the Boonsak(2004 version) and Shon(don't remember spelling) of Korea in the semi and final... which of course ain't that challenging either.

But winning this JO does prove a point of being one of the very best in the circuit these days though.:cool:

In the 2004 Olympics, Taufik personally defeated Peter Gade. Taufik also defeated the guy [I think Boonsak] who defeated Ronald Susilo -who defeated Lin Dan. It is not Taufik's fault that Lin Dan lost in the early rounds... :p Didn't Lee Chong Wei, Lee Hyun Il, Kenneth J., Chen Hong, Bao Chunlai, etc. participated in that 2004 Olympics?

Wow...its going to be interesting if Vita Marissa/Butet Vs Gao Ling/HS...in 2nd round....not easy for GL/HS..

Japan Open is worth more than the World Championships? :eek: C'mon...! :eek: Hmmhph, I recently observe some [though not all] non-INA and non-CHN fans belittle the importance and prestige of the World Championship? :(



In the 2004 Olympics, Taufik personally defeated Peter Gade. Taufik also defeated the guy [I think Boonsak] who defeated Ronald Susilo -who defeated Lin Dan. It is not Taufik's fault that Lin Dan lost in the early rounds... :p Didn't Lee Chong Wei, Lee Hyun Il, Kenneth J., Chen Hong, Bao Chunlai, etc. participated in that 2004 Olympics?
if there is a super series for top 16 ranked players playing each other for 15 countdowns, then we have a real champion.....

Bad bad bad draws. Good thing i will not be going there.I will just probably watch our own players kill each other no fun.
I think BWF rationale was for (dominant) CHN to kill each other and leave the occassional SF/F open for others (true for WS/WD events but CHN has so much depth here that only SF is occasionally open and if CHN seeded 1 to 4, not even then!). With a few dominant nations (with multiple entries each event) and a draw size of only 32, you are going to end up with team mates facing each other quite frequently.

I agree with your sentiment being a "national" supporter rather than individual player supporter its much less fun to see team mates fighting from R1.

Call me old fashion but I prefer seeding 1-16 and national separation

In the 2004 Olympics, Taufik personally defeated Peter Gade. Taufik also defeated the guy [I think Boonsak] who defeated Ronald Susilo -who defeated Lin Dan. It is not Taufik's fault that Lin Dan lost in the early rounds... :p Didn't Lee Chong Wei, Lee Hyun Il, Kenneth J., Chen Hong, Bao Chunlai, etc. participated in that 2004 Olympics?

That's exactly what I am saying... It is not the winner's fault that his supposingly "toughest" opponents get eliminated early, and that there is nothing the winner can do to "pick" his next opponent so to speak... so to judge a tournament's worth by looking at the winner's path of opponent is NOT reasonable...

That's exactly what I am saying... It is not the winner's fault that his supposingly "toughest" opponents get eliminated early, and that there is nothing the winner can do to "pick" his next opponent so to speak... so to judge a tournament's worth by looking at the winner's path of opponent is NOT reasonable...

Yup, exactly! I was just building on your previous point... ;)

JO definately can't challenge the prestigous status of World Championship. ..
Any player in any tournament who got the chances of defeating ALL the top opponents in his/her way onto claiming the crown. Then the title is worth more than anything else...
But the chances of seeing this "Truth Champions" is very slim coz ever since the introduction of 21pps , upsets rate is very high in every tournaments...

I think BWF rationale was for (dominant) CHN to kill each other and leave the occassional SF/F open for others (true for WS/WD events but CHN has so much depth here that only SF is occasionally open and if CHN seeded 1 to 4, not even then!). With a few dominant nations (with multiple entries each event) and a draw size of only 32, you are going to end up with team mates facing each other quite frequently.

I agree with your sentiment being a "national" supporter rather than individual player supporter its much less fun to see team mates fighting from R1.

Call me old fashion but I prefer seeding 1-16 and national separation
It's good to have two different draw types. Then over time we can see whether it makes any difference to the winner outcomes.
I prefer the SS system because the matches are top notch from Round One.Fans need to get excited from Day 1.I don't think it's to hurt CHN as you can see in the JO07.In fact LD and CJ have possibly the best draws.
Meeting compatriots is a fact of life. May the hungrier or on-form ones win.It'll be interesting to see how xie/guo are going to play fu/cai since this time xie cannot withdraw or he'll also have to do so for XD.

JO definately can't challenge the prestigous status of World Championship. ..
Any player in any tournament who got the chances of defeating ALL the top opponents in his/her way onto claiming the crown. Then the title is worth more than anything else...
But the chances of seeing this "Truth Champions" is very slim coz ever since the introduction of 21pps , upsets rate is very high in every tournaments...


Last year in JO 06... Lin Dan defeated from 2nd round, Persson(Denmark), then Hafiz in QF, Gade in Semi, Taufik in final... Is that good enough?:p

Last year in JO 06... Lin Dan defeated from 2nd round, Persson(Denmark), then Hafiz in QF, Gade in Semi, Taufik in final... Is that good enough?:p
Based on today's form of every players.. I would said if LD able to overcome BP in his opening match, can get past PG in the second round, Sony in QF, beat LCW in SF & Taufik in the finals . No 1 will suspect his being rated the overall greatest champions :rolleyes:;)
Hafiz / Persson :confused::rolleyes:... U know wat i meant :p

Based on today's form of every players.. I would said if LD able to overcome BP in his opening match, can get past PG in the second round, Sony in QF, beat LCW in SF & Taufik in the finals . No 1 will suspect his being rated the overall greatest champions :rolleyes:;)
Hafiz / Persson :confused::rolleyes:... U know wat i meant :p


Okay, you and I know that is not a likely draw...

Plus, what if LD get to the final by the route you suggested, but lost to Taufik in the final whom has a much easier route... then what do you call that???:confused:

There will never be a perfect draw to determine a "True" champion... we just have to accept it... unless we make an invitational tournament, which we will pre-arrange everything and no upset is allowed, and so on... but that will not work either as many people won't be happy with that as well.

Okay, you and I know that is not a likely draw...

Plus, what if LD get to the final by the route you suggested, but lost to Taufik in the final whom has a much easier route... then what do you call that???:confused:

There will never be a perfect draw to determine a "True" champion... we just have to accept it... unless we make an invitational tournament, which we will pre-arrange everything and no upset is allowed, and so on... but that will not work either as many people won't be happy with that as well.

Agree that it won't be a likely draw.. I will not go into deeper debate between TH & LD .. But whoever gets this kinda "DREAM" draw among them will be remembered for decades if they managed comes out on top & win it.

Agree that it won't be a likely draw.. I will not go into deeper debate between TH & LD .. But whoever gets this kinda "DREAM" draw among them will be remembered for decades if they managed comes out on top & win it.

Dream draw??? That is one heck of a nightmare!:eek:

I dont know when will be the time that TH will meet LinDan in the 1st round.

I dont know when will be the time that TH will meet LinDan in the 1st round.

malaysia open SS 2007...too bad i think you missed it heehee:D

malaysia open SS 2007...too bad i think you missed it heehee:D

It is in the secondly round ties actually ;)

Dream draw??? That is one heck of a nightmare!:eek:

I would rather said it would the "Dream" for every Bad mad fans of the world - To witness the battles of giants in several mouth-watering ties..;)
But i will definitely be a "Nightmare" for any top players to get this kinda "Cruel" draw... :mad:

also, it would be interesting match on the WS Singles between Zhou Mi and Wang Chen, both are ex-chinese players and are a major threat for the CHN players for the Women's Singles Title.

sorri, refer to this one instead.

also, it would be interesting 2nd round match on the WS Singles between Zhou Mi and Wang Chen, both are ex-chinese players and are a major threat for the CHN players for the Women's Singles Title.

Have we forgotten Ronald Susilo who won the Japan Open in 2005 (sorry, cant recall if it's 2004 or 2005)??? I think he will outperform in this tourney and dun be suprised if he reaches semi or final :eek: Just watch out for Susilo :)

Have we forgotten Ronald Susilo who won the Japan Open in 2005 (sorry, cant recall if it's 2004 or 2005)??? I think he will outperform in this tourney and dun be suprised if he reaches semi or final :eek: Just watch out for Susilo :)

It should be either 2003 or 2004, before the Athens Olympics. Roland was injured badly subsequently, which caused him to miss 2005 and most of 2006. The fact that he managed to climb the ranking ladder back to the top 12 and entered the QF of the World Championships 2007 is somewhat a miracle to me :cool:

glad to hear that ah jiang will be back on competition !Although she will meet zhangning in quarter ... hope she will have a brillant performance!
jiayou lovely jiaojaio!

I dont know when will be the time that TH will meet LinDan in the 1st round.

TH met LD at 1st Round of MAS SS last January when TH lost to LD straight-set with tight score. Then, LD defeated by Park Sung Hwan in 2nd round.

I dont know when will be the time that TH will meet LinDan in the 1st round.

I tot they met in 1st. round of MO 07....and TH lost...then LD lost in 2nd round to someone from Kor...;)

Draws in SS is always unpredicted,....so its important for players to stay in top 8 position to avoid early meets .........

TH met LD at 1st Round of MAS SS last January when TH lost to LD straight-set with tight score. Then, LD defeated by Park Sung Hwan in 2nd round.

Is it 1st round or 2nd round during Msian Open. If i'm not mistaken its 2nd round right? coz i have to fly to Japan that evening. Too bad i miss it!

Is it 1st round or 2nd round during Msian Open. If i'm not mistaken its 2nd round right? coz i have to fly to Japan that evening. Too bad i miss it!


It was 1st round when LD beat TH....then PSW defeated LD in 2nd round

Oic thanks... :)

VERY BAD DRAW FOR BOONSAK ..:(:(

CHINA OPEN .. HE MET CHEN JIN in first round .. :(:(
this time is BAO CHUN LAI !!!!!!

how come world no 11 has to play with world no 2 in first round !!!!!!

anyway .. BOONSAK won CHEN HONG 2 times in a row in university game ..
hope his form continue :):)

VERY BAD DRAW FOR BOONSAK ..:(:(

CHINA OPEN .. HE MET CHEN JIN in first round .. :(:(
this time is BAO CHUN LAI !!!!!!

how come world no 11 has to play with world no 2 in first round !!!!!!

anyway .. BOONSAK won CHEN HONG 2 times in a row in university game ..
hope his form continue :):)
same thing that TH has to meet seeded players...tough for SS...I think Boonsak may create upset....you will never know..he is a hot player now to beat....cheer him !!;);)

VERY BAD DRAW FOR BOONSAK ..:(:(

CHINA OPEN .. HE MET CHEN JIN in first round .. :(:(
this time is BAO CHUN LAI !!!!!!

how come world no 11 has to play with world no 2 in first round !!!!!!

anyway .. BOONSAK won CHEN HONG 2 times in a row in university game ..
hope his form continue :):)

SS create countless exciting match from R1.. Just pray for BP to create more upsets there ;)

You can find the complete draws also here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Japan_Super_Series

You can find the complete draws also here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Japan_Super_Series

i upload its draw images :

wow.. the draws are....

VERY BAD DRAW FOR BOONSAK ..:(:(

CHINA OPEN .. HE MET CHEN JIN in first round .. :(:(
this time is BAO CHUN LAI !!!!!!

how come world no 11 has to play with world no 2 in first round !!!!!!

anyway .. BOONSAK won CHEN HONG 2 times in a row in university game ..
hope his form continue :):)

Don't worry, it's anybodys game. I trust Boonsak. He is one of the upcoming superstars like Wacha of Poland, Anup of India, Kuncoro of Indonesia and Susilo of Singapore. When he won the Singapore Aviva open this year, I know that it will be a major confidence booster for him.
I will cheer for him!!!

Lee Tsuen Seng is planning to withdraw from japan Open.....after US open, he will paly Canadian Challenge then taipeh open...he cited he needed some rest!! Lucky Simon!!

This is really a good draw especially for LCW. He has the change to revenge over Sonny. I am not putting hope for LCW now...

Lee Tsuen Seng is planning to withdraw from japan Open.....after US open, he will paly Canadian Challenge then taipeh open...he cited he needed some rest!! Lucky Simon!!
Oh really? Its funny ... How come he rather choose the smaller tournament compare with SS? Shouldn't be he needs more points to qualify for OG? Or he just rather give up the hopes on OG Spot & concentrate to earn more money by winning those kinda tournaments in which he should stand a chance rather than being kick out early by the top players in SS..
I fink Lee its the only MAS MS who have a brilliant WC'07

Oh really? Its funny ... How come he rather choose the smaller tournament compare with SS? Shouldn't be he needs more points to qualify for OG? Or he just rather give up the hopes on OG Spot & concentrate to earn more money by winning those kinda tournaments in which he should stand a chance rather than being kick out early by the top players in SS..
I fink Lee its the only MAS MS who have a brilliant WC'07
I asked him same thing.....I said to him...why not going to JO..at least you get money for 1st round?? he said too tired after tournament and tournament...

Oh really? Its funny ... How come he rather choose the smaller tournament compare with SS? Shouldn't be he needs more points to qualify for OG? Or he just rather give up the hopes on OG Spot & concentrate to earn more money by winning those kinda tournaments in which he should stand a chance rather than being kick out early by the top players in SS..
I fink Lee its the only MAS MS who have a brilliant WC'07

Agree with U. Why would a top class player like him would choose those tourneys than Japan Open??? :confused: Perhaps he is trying to build up confidence towards OG?

Yes, LeeTS did very well in WC07, and if I'm not mistaken, he stretched Bao into rubber games. I hope he will play in Japan Open and spring few nice suprises... :D

Malaysia Boleh...!!!

i wonder why tis JAPAN OPEN WACHA never participate:D:D:D

Agree with U. Why would a top class player like him would choose those tourneys than Japan Open??? :confused: Perhaps he is trying to build up confidence towards OG?

Yes, LeeTS did very well in WC07, and if I'm not mistaken, he stretched Bao into rubber games. I hope he will play in Japan Open and spring few nice suprises... :D

Malaysia Boleh...!!!


I think LTS may want to collect the points to be safe for next SS series...by winning US open, he got 5000 points and if he wins again at canadian Challenge, he gets another 4000 points...not bad for 9000 points from 2 tourneys with weaker fields..

INA MD [except Candra] are all in the bottom half... INA XD are all in the bottom half... aiyaa.... I hate this no-national-separation rule... :rolleyes:

INA MD [except Candra] are all in the bottom half... INA XD are all in the bottom half... aiyaa.... I hate this no-national-separation rule... :rolleyes:
same thing with CHN XD/...all top 3 from CHN are in top half....Zb/GL, HHB/YY and ZJW/XZB

INA MD [except Candra] are all in the bottom half... INA XD are all in the bottom half... aiyaa.... I hate this no-national-separation rule... :rolleyes:
IT IS BETTER coz the chances of CHN vs CHN & INA vs INA in the final is slim :p

i sense upsets.... hmmmm...... :D

IT IS BETTER coz the chances of CHN vs CHN & INA vs INA in the final is slim :p
isn't it better... more exciting final... rather than mas vs mas, ina vs ina, chn vs chn.. boring....

VERY BAD DRAW FOR BOONSAK ..:(:(

CHINA OPEN .. HE MET CHEN JIN in first round .. :(:(
this time is BAO CHUN LAI !!!!!!

how come world no 11 has to play with world no 2 in first round !!!!!!

anyway .. BOONSAK won CHEN HONG 2 times in a row in university game ..
hope his form continue :):)
Wouldn't worry about it.
BP has played all CHN MS except BCL this year and defeated them : CH, CJ, CY and LD.The scary thing for CHN MS is the subsequent times BP met them he took them out faster in straight games,eg CJ and CH.(LCW can save himself time and energy if MAS has the video of BPvsCJ CM07 's first round match and see how BP went from taking one hour to deal with CJ in TO07 the first time to half the time the following week in CM07. BP clearly knows something about CJ's play that's very vulnerable.)
In fact BP beat CY in SO07 by working him into mental confusion.Sharp tactics seems to be the key.
The only player BP has gotten worse off against is LCW.He has been showing progress,stretching LCW to 3 games that I thought he might have a chance in SC07. However LCW needed only 2 games to take care of BP. BP has improved amazingly,esp. in tactics and fitness and stamina. So has LCW in other areas although he needs a breakthrough in tactics.
To me, any draw that puts BP and LCW in different halves is a perfect draw.

MS (1st round)
LD (1) vs Joachim P
BCL (2) vs Boonsak P
CH (3) vs TH
LCW (4) vs Hafiz
CJ (5) vs Q2
PG (6) vs WCH
CY (7) vs Sairul
Kenneth J (8) vs Q1

Ng Wei vs Q3
Andrew S vs Q4
Lee TS vs Simon S

Why can't the organiser reshuffle the draw in such a way that at least top 4 seeds will face the qualifers in the 1st round as follows:
LD (1) vs Q1
BCL (2) vs Q2
CH (3) vs Q3
LCW (4) vs Q4

Is it that difficult to come out with a reasonable draw?

Please enlighten me.

Agree.. How come the TOP 4 seeds doesnt get the qualifier as their opening rounds opponents.
May it be its conspiracy theory by BWF --> to eliminate as much top players before the final --> produce a new champions

MD (1st round)
Fu/Cai (1) vs Guo/Xie
Koo/Tan (2) vs Tan/Ong
Kido/Setiawan (3) vs Gunawan/Riyaldi
Wijaya/Gunawan (4) vs Bach/Malaythong
Eriksen/Hansen (5) vs Q1
Choong/Lee (6) vs Q4
Jung/Lee (7) vs Zakry/Fairuz
Lee/Hwang (8) vs Durkin/Nikolaenko

Gan/Lin vs Q3
Ohtsuka/Masuda vs Q2

Shouldn't be the top 4 seeds, at least facing the qualifiers in the 1st round?

MS (1st round)
LD (1) vs Joachim P
BCL (2) vs Boonsak P
CH (3) vs TH
LCW (4) vs Hafiz
CJ (5) vs Q2
PG (6) vs WCH
CY (7) vs Sairul
Kenneth J (8) vs Q1

Ng Wei vs Q3
Andrew S vs Q4
Lee TS vs Simon S

Why can't the organiser reshuffle the draw in such a way that at least top 4 seeds will face the qualifers in the 1st round as follows:
LD (1) vs Q1
BCL (2) vs Q2
CH (3) vs Q3
LCW (4) vs Q4

Is it that difficult to come out with a reasonable draw?

Please enlighten me.

The only possibly reasonable answer to your question is that BWF wants to provide an opportunity for the qualifiers to at least progress a bit further than first round... if they were to force to face the top seeds after the qualifying rounds, what chance do they have then?:confused: Those players will forever remain in the same position as they are now, which is to come out as qualifiers then lose out in the first round MOST of the time.

In that case, it discourages everybody who belongs to the qualifying rounds to even think about participating since to them it is pretty much a waste of time. Unless you look at it as an experience gaining opportunity.:p

I am not saying I agree with the rule, but at least if you look from another perspective, it makes some sense.

It is a draw....sometimes it is good and it is bad....we gotta live with it....

IT IS BETTER coz the chances of CHN vs CHN & INA vs INA in the final is slim :p

Yeah, I know the benefits [as you have just mentioned]... ;) As a general fan, I like the fact that there are less and less China vs. China or INA vs. INA... As an INA fan, I would rather see our player get beaten by a non-INA rather than seeing a 'civil-war' early in the tournament...:(:(:( At least we competed against another badminton country.

It is just very unpleasant to see something like Kido-Hendra vs. Joko-Hendra AG in the 1st round. With the nationality-separation rule, we can be spared from this uneasy experience in the 1st few rounds... :) Well, anyway, for me, the 'normal' rule is better... :)

The only possibly reasonable answer to your question is that BWF wants to provide an opportunity for the qualifiers to at least progress a bit further than first round... if they were to force to face the top seeds after the qualifying rounds, what chance do they have then?:confused: Those players will forever remain in the same position as they are now, which is to come out as qualifiers then lose out in the first round MOST of the time.

In that case, it discourages everybody who belongs to the qualifying rounds to even think about participating since to them it is pretty much a waste of time. Unless you look at it as an experience gaining opportunity.:p

I am not saying I agree with the rule, but at least if you look from another perspective, it makes some sense.

It is the SS.. Not any "Kacang Putih" tournaments.. What the fans demand is : "ONLY THE BEST TO SURVIVE". :)
Players with lower ranking points may choose to participate in Gold Series/satellite/Regional tournaments . They should have prove that they can produce good results or even win in any tournaments before they ply their luck in the SS .. ;)

It is a draw....sometimes it is good and it is bad....we gotta live with it....
thats the way!! haha :D

its just a draw.. how good or how bad also u have to live wit it and play along... :D

a good player can beat anyone anytime.... not depending on the draw! :cool:

It is the SS.. Not any "Kacang Putih" tournaments.. What the fans demand is : "ONLY THE BEST TO SURVIVE". :)
Players with lower ranking points may choose to participate in Gold Series/satellite/Regional tournaments . They should have prove that they can produce good results or even win in any tournaments before they ply their luck in the SS .. ;)
tats right sammy! :D

It is the SS.. Not any "Kacang Putih" tournaments.. What the fans demand is : "ONLY THE BEST TO SURVIVE". :)
Players with lower ranking points may choose to participate in Gold Series/satellite/Regional tournaments . They should have prove that they can produce good results or even win in any tournaments before they ply their luck in the SS .. ;)
Agree with bananakid. This descendant of bananaboy is more mature than his ancestor so I'm quite impressed.
SS qualifiers can be of high calibre eg WCH,LHI who may be low ranked due to unforseen circumstances.In any case the top ranked 4 may not mean the best and if they are that good they should still fight an even battle to maintain their prowess.
Young Turks should always have some opportunities to show how far they can go otherwise rising stars may disappear before they can shine.And they get noticed more in big events so they can have more nurturing opportunities.
In tennis recently, there's the Canada's Frank Dancevic and Latvia? s Gulbis,an unknown who reached the R4 of the US Open. These youngsters are exciting to watch and they took out some top 10 players despite their inexperience.
Anyway Simon Santoso proves a qualifier's worth when he retired LD to reach the SWO07 MSF.

i hope that there will be some upsets among

MS:
Ronald S vs Sony DK (then susilo will become ina killer? :D:P
Boonsak P vs Bao CL

MD:
Shuichi S/Shintaro I vs ZB/XC
Fairuz/Zakry vs LYD/JJS (altho it's quite hard.. near to MI :D:P but hope they will gv some gd fight)

WS:
Yip Pui Yin vs Zhu Lin
Kaori Mori vs Pi Hong yan

WD:
Li YJ/Jiang YM vs Zhang YW/Wei YL
Wong PT/Chin EH vs Aki/Tomomi

XD:
Tan WK/Woon KW vs LJJ/HYM

My Predictions --> Whoever in the final of WC'07 will not won the JO :eek::D:D

My Predictions --> Whoever in the final of WC'07 will not won the JO :eek::D:D
aha.. good 1 u hv there ;):D

Thats true. It may be hard for them to maintain their form.

Don't think so. A follow on tournament is hard to win if it's consecutive week probably because of freshness factor. JO is 3 or 4 weeks after WC so it's as good as a first tournament.But it's hard to predict MS now cos CHN MS have lost their invincibility and the list of CHN MS killers has exceeded the no. of CHN MS : BP,LCW,PG,RS,SDK,WCH and maybe TH (early stage only).That's a healthy ratio favouring non-CHN MS if they are not bunched together in a draw.

Don't think so. A follow on tournament is hard to win if it's consecutive week probably because of freshness factor. JO is 3 or 4 weeks after WC so it's as good as a first tournament.But it's hard to predict MS now cos CHN MS have lost their invincibility and the list of CHN MS killers has exceeded the no. of CHN MS : BP,LCW,PG,RS,SDK,WCH and maybe TH (early stage only).That's a healthy ratio favouring non-CHN MS if they are not bunched together in a draw.

A present fine example is LCW & KKK/TBH

Its more on the Mental factor rather than physical.

It is the SS.. Not any "Kacang Putih" tournaments.. What the fans demand is : "ONLY THE BEST TO SURVIVE". :)
Players with lower ranking points may choose to participate in Gold Series/satellite/Regional tournaments . They should have prove that they can produce good results or even win in any tournaments before they ply their luck in the SS .. ;)
"Kacang Putih":D... bananakid has a point but it's argueable...
My Predictions --> Whoever in the final of WC'07 will not won the JO :eek::D:D
Agreed.:p

Btw, how did u manage to reach 1000 posts within 3 months?:eek::eek::eek: U r amazing!:cool:

The only possibly reasonable answer to your question is that BWF wants to provide an opportunity for the qualifiers to at least progress a bit further than first round... if they were to force to face the top seeds after the qualifying rounds, what chance do they have then?:confused: Those players will forever remain in the same position as they are now, which is to come out as qualifiers then lose out in the first round MOST of the time.

In that case, it discourages everybody who belongs to the qualifying rounds to even think about participating since to them it is pretty much a waste of time. Unless you look at it as an experience gaining opportunity.:p

I am not saying I agree with the rule, but at least if you look from another perspective, it makes some sense.
U have a point though. But if we look at the draw in tennis, the top seeds will always face a qualifier in Grand Slams or be given a bye in Master series or other tournaments. Why can't badmnton?

I don't like the idea of having just 8 seeds instead of 16.

U have a point though. But if we look at the draw in tennis, the top seeds will always face a qualifier in Grand Slams or be given a bye in Master series or other tournaments. Why can't badmnton?

I don't like the idea of having just 8 seeds instead of 16.


Absolutely.. SS is still way off from Grand Slam :cool:

But having 32 players in the main draw.. How to place 16 seeds i/0 8? its meant 50% to be seeded man... ;)

"Kacang Putih":D... bananakid has a point but it's argueable...

Agreed.:p

Btw, how did u manage to reach 1000 posts within 3 months?:eek::eek::eek: U r amazing!:cool:

Not surprising with bananakid P.O.V. And wont go into debate more.. I respect his choice of wanna to see more upsets in any tournament.. Especially from his favorite Wacha.. :eek: :D:D

Mayb i just talk to much to reached 1000 ++ posts here.. Hopes the moderator won't kick my butt :(:D

U have a point though. But if we look at the draw in tennis, the top seeds will always face a qualifier in Grand Slams or be given a bye in Master series or other tournaments. Why can't badmnton?

I don't like the idea of having just 8 seeds instead of 16.

I n Tennis, Master series or Grand Slams who has 128 draw so it is common to have 32 seeds ( used to be 16 seeded only until many people compalined when Steffi Graf had to play Lori McNeil and lost to her at Wimbledon in the 1st round)....in Master series, it is hardly has a BYE unless it is Women tennis yournaments like TIER 1 where they have 64 draw but only with 48 players so all top seeded players get BYE.....

I hope badminton will reach to Tennis standard where the prize money for SS from US$ 200K to 400K...

Would it be better instead to expand the SS field from 32 to 64?

Would it be better instead to expand the SS field from 32 to 64?

I guess the propose of having SS is maintain its standard above all the rest of the badminton tournaments. That might excludes REgional Games, such as ASIAN ; Olympics...
I strongly support the idea of having limited the participants in SS. It will makes the games more exciting..
There is no short cut for any players.. Whoever wanna go into SS.. Must achieve something more than extra in lower grade tournament to earn them self a place in the main draw of SS..
Its the world's trend now.. Just as Grand Slam in Tennis.. Premier League in English Football....

who's upset :rolleyes:

i'm rockin'.. man http://img47.imageshack.us/img47/2196/678vq1krr8.gif

i was just 'shocked' a little bit to see the draws :p


LCW will rock Sony ! This time you will eat humble pie !

LCW will be hammered by Sony... I foresee it

i think LCW and sony will be hammering each other..
hahaha...
but i juz din see LCW fire yet after the lose..
sony might get another win but who knows..

i am very very excited for the JAPAN OPEN... expecially d 1st round...

LCW will be hammered by Sony... I foresee it
you must have seen LD hammered by LCW before you foresee LCW n Sony hammering each other:D:D:D

lcw vs Sony DK vs chen jin vs PG vs BCL vs whatever battles are just fighting for 2nd place lah:p I mean distant second from LD i may add:p

who's upset :rolleyes:

i'm rockin'.. man http://img47.imageshack.us/img47/2196/678vq1krr8.gif

i was just 'shocked' a little bit to see the draws :p

lol, pretty good graphic description of TH fans: why, why why!!! LOL

lcw vs Sony DK vs chen jin vs PG vs BCL vs whatever battles are just fighting for 2nd place lah:p I mean distant second from LD i may add:p

All the names above are all a distant 2nd to Taufik Hidayat! ;)

All the names above are all a distant 2nd to Taufik Hidayat! ;)
yup, TH is so distanced that he's not even seeded LOL

lol, pretty good graphic description of TH fans: why, why why!!! LOL

I have to say that this really makes me laugh out loud literally in the office...:D:D:D Lucky there was nobody around when I busted out laughing.

Would like to see TH to take CH out again...cant wait for my PAWs...

yup, 2 married guys (paw paw) gonna duke it out:p

LCW will rock Sony ! This time you will eat humble pie !
This Graphics looks like TH is getting drunk then "ROCK" :D:D

I hope Chong Wei will win Sony. It will definately give him a mental edge to go to the finals.

CHONG WEI sure will win... dont worry... not only will win SONY but win the title.......haha

CHONG WEI sure will win... dont worry... not only will win SONY but win the title.......haha
pleaszzz, just wait and see until the competition begin, anything could happened, just like in world champion, well, the result,,,,,you know it dissapointed ....:D

For PAWers, I think Chen Hong vs Taufik Hidayat is 8-12 :p

CHONG WEI sure will win... dont worry... not only will win SONY but win the title.......haha
Dont put too much pressure on LCW...hehe:D:D

For PAWers, I think Chen Hong vs Taufik Hidayat is 8-12 :p
for PAW CH vs TH: 10-15....:D:D I cant play PAW too much this time..I will be in santa fe....

Another defeat by the same player in the early stages will brought LCW down to earth !

Dont put too much pressure on LCW...hehe:D:D

HAha.. i think i should do my trick to Taufik when he play CH, like what i did to Sony during the World Championship. Heheh...

HAha.. i think i should do my trick to Taufik when he play CH, like what i did to Sony during the World Championship. Heheh...
:D:D:D....It will be interesting to see how LCW fares if he meets Sony....
Sony mentioned in the newspaper that LCW would revenge and Sony said" lets see what happen on the court"....thats all he said...

lol, pretty good graphic description of TH fans: why, why why!!! LOL

http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/4140/smokingbaby2dh5.gif

calm down cooler... :D we're creative supporters and always support our players enthusiastically


note:
the smoking baby pictures above is not real.. it's modified and recreated with Adobe :D :D...

smoking can damage your health and can cause impotency

ya i fink i should not put too much pressure on LCW.:D:D...... but i knew he is regaining his form back and JAPAN OPEN is a good tournament for him to regain his form back....anyway, i wish LCW the best in tis JAPAN OPEN...

LCW must work very hard if wants to be a champion at JAPAN OPEN

http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/4140/smokingbaby2dh5.gif

note:
the smoking baby pictures above is not real.. it's modified and recreated with Adobe :D :D...

smoking can damage your health and can cause impotency ok taufikist, cooler isnt a baby u know:p

All the names above are all a distant 2nd to Taufik Hidayat! ;)

yup, TH is so distanced that he's not even seeded LOL

Ha ha ha! :D TH does not need to be seeded to win the whole thing... :cool: We shall see... ;)

ya i fink i should not put too much pressure on LCW.:D:D...... but i knew he is regaining his form back and JAPAN OPEN is a good tournament for him to regain his form back....anyway, i wish LCW the best in tis JAPAN OPEN...
That is a smart way to support LCW...than to put a size 12 shoe in your mouth saying he will win the title and if he end up losing it...the Japan Open draw is not easy, every round is tough, tough and tougher.

That is a smart way to support LCW...than to put a size 12 shoe in your mouth saying he will win the title and if he end up losing it...the Japan Open draw is not easy, every round is tough, tough and tougher.
true, every round is tougher and tougher... but i fink LCW should clear the 1st round based on the KEDAH OPEN results:eek::D.... but anyway i fink we cannot underestimate other player...:):D:p

Ha ha ha! :D TH does not need to be seeded to win the whole thing... :cool: We shall see... ;)
Are you in touch with TH's present badminton state? This old sultan is not likely to get past R2 without serious preparation. But first , let's see if he can get past CH of uncertain form.

true, every round is tougher and tougher... but i fink LCW should clear the 1st round based on the KEDAH OPEN results:eek::D.... but anyway i fink we cannot underestimate other player...:):D:p
Hafiz may be trying to fool LCW into playing complacently in their JO07 match.Hafiz is not stupid. He knows which match he wants to win against LCW.Hafiz does not mind losing face locally as long as he can win overseas.Anyway there's a 3 day break so the KO fatigue won't count.
Anyway there's no sure outright MS winner now with SS draws.Even LD has come down to earth about that reality.

Hafiz may be trying to fool LCW into playing complacently in their JO07 match.Hafiz is not stupid. He knows which match he wants to win against LCW.Hafiz does not mind losing face locally as long as he can win overseas.Anyway there's a 3 day break so the KO fatigue won't count.
Anyway there's no sure outright MS winner now with SS draws.Even LD has come down to earth about that reality.


Agree that Hafiz cannot be taken lightly but LCW will not let up either. It will be a closer game than the Kedah Open.

A present fine example is LCW & KKK/TBH
What i meant applies to MS only, not MD. It's tough for MS to win 2 titles in a row in two consecutive weeks.When did LCW do that? With LCW, one never knows. He is unique in that he can go from zero (in SO07) to hero (in IO07) in two weeks so this indicates his resilience.At the same time he has not reached the level of comforting consistency. Until then he will continue to keep his coach(es) and fans in suspense.But when he achieves consistency, he'll be hard to beat.
In the meantime I would bank on BP. His tactics has not worked with LCW cos of LCW's low centre of gravity. BP's tactics may be a nightmare for BCL's high centre of gravity but I may be wrong so get ready to enjoy a laugh.
With MD, I'll be amazed if C/F does not win the title.

The last time LCW lost to Hafiz in a SS tournament is during the Singapore Open. This time i don't think LCW will let it happen.