China's Lin reach Japan Open badminton semis, Zhang out

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TOKYO (AFP) — China's world number ones in badminton earned mixed results at the Japan Open on Friday, with men's top seed Lin Dan securing a spot in the semi-finals and women's defending champ Zhang Ning crashing out.
Lin, the current world champion and two-time defending title holder here who has not lost since July, shrugged off a 5-10 deficit in the second game to score a 21-16, 21-19 win over Denmark's Peter Gade.
"I was able to play the way I wanted to play, but I'm not still in my best form," said Lin, known as Super Dan to his fans.
"Overall I haven't practiced well after winning the world championships. I'm just on my way to regaining my top form."
Lin is on course for a probable final showdown against Athens Olympic gold medallist Taufik Hidayat of Indonesia, a winner over Park Sung-Hwan of South Korea, 21-17, 21-18.
"I think Taufik is the best player in the world. He has won the Olympics and the world championships. I always play trying to catch up with him," said Lin.
Hidayat said: "I won the gold medal in the 2004 Olympics, but I was still young then. It's a competition of the highest level, but I still have some titles I haven't won yet.
"The people of my country expect me to do more. That's what keeps me continuing to play badminton."
In the semi-finals on Saturday, Lin will take on Commonwealth Games gold medallist Lee Chong Wei of Malaysia, the fourth seed who breezed past fifth-seeded Chen Jin of China, 21-7, 21-16.
Hidayat will face compatriot Simon Santoso, the winner over Chan Yan-kit of Hong Kong, 21-16, 21-16.
On the women's side, Zhang, who is also the reigning Olympic gold medallist, blamed her own erratic play -- and the strong air conditioning -- for her 21-13, 16-21, 21-18 loss to Denmark's Tine Rasmussen.
"In the first game, the wind was against me, so I hit the shuttle longer, but it was unstable and often went out," said Zhang, who lost for the first time here since the 2004 semi-finals.
"But I don't feel like I was beaten in a rally. I made too many mistakes. That's why I lost.
"Beside, in the recent women's singles, many players started to play with more power. Today, her shuttle often came to where I hadn't expected it to come. I couldn't cope with the shots," said Zhang.
Rasmussen has had an impressive tournament so far, beating three top players -- 2006 European champion Xu Huaiwen of Germany, current Asian champion Jiang Yanjiao of China, and then Zhang.
But the Dane will not have a chance in the semi-finals to avenge her loss at the world championships to Hong Kong's Wang Chen, who fell to China's Lu Lan 21-11, 12-21, 21-17.
In the other semi-final, three-time All England champion Xie Xingfang of China will face Jun Jae-Youn of South Korea.
Xie easily brushed aside former Chinese national team member Pi Hongyan, now representing France, 21-15, 21-16, while Jun stopped an excellent run by Hong Kong's Yip Pui-yin with a 25-27, 21-6, 21-8 win.

Hope LCW will win tomorrow in order to let LD know that there is another BEST player in the world

there's no doubt in my mind that TH is the most talented player, but he just lacks consistency and motivation. i think if he had buckled down and just concentrated on his game, he would have completely dominated the singles scene for the last 5 years or so.

He's gifted and has a very natural way of playing. Agree on the motivation part. He would have won all the tournaments he wanted. A good final definitely.

Heh there's no way I'd believe Lin Dan actually said that. I mean, what the heck, Lin Dan has been at the very top for like 3 years already and has beaten Taufik more times than Taufik has beaten him, so why would he ever say such a thing.

Heh there's no way I'd believe Lin Dan actually said that. I mean, what the heck, Lin Dan has been at the very top for like 3 years already and has beaten Taufik more times than Taufik has beaten him, so why would he ever say such a thing.

TH won olympic and lindan haven't yet.. that's why lindan still respects TH :D

Heh there's no way I'd believe Lin Dan actually said that. I mean, what the heck, Lin Dan has been at the very top for like 3 years already and has beaten Taufik more times than Taufik has beaten him, so why would he ever say such a thing.

Because deep in Lin Dan's heart, he knows the same truth that many others know: Taufik is the best player in the world [when properly conditioned and motivated]... ;) Because Lin Dan played Taufik many times, he knows even more than the rest of us... that Taufik is actually more talented than him!

But we can all give Lin credit for his conditioning, consistency, and dedication to being excellent all the time. These 3 things are the things that prevented Taufik from being the Federer of Badminton...

What exactly defines who is the best player in the world? Is it world ranking (based not only on results, but on number of results...)? Is it number of titles? Olympic medals?
I think that we, and by we I mean all of us not in the top players of the world, don't understand the difference between the best players and the players that actually win. If Lin Dan says he thinks Taufik is the best player of the world even though Super Dan has a better ranking and has won more games against him than the opposite, maybe we ought to think about an important statement like that, We obviously missed something.

What exactly defines who is the best player in the world? Is it world ranking (based not only on results, but on number of results...)? Is it number of titles? Olympic medals?
I think that we, and by we I mean all of us not in the top players of the world, don't understand the difference between the best players and the players that actually win. If Lin Dan says he thinks Taufik is the best player of the world even though Super Dan has a better ranking and has won more games against him than the opposite, maybe we ought to think about an important statement like that, We obviously missed something.

After you play someone for more than 10 times, you can conclude in your heart who actually has more talent... ;) Lin played Taufik enough times that he can form a better opinion than the rest of us...

Thats the typical human reaction when they see someone playing great... "if i tried and trained as much as him id be much better than him...". Dont get me wrong Taufik is very talented but hes not better than Lin Dan. Yes at his absolute best he can beat Lin Dan, but being at your "absolute best" is dependent upon so many different factors that the final comparison must lie on statistics. I believe people put WAY too much importance on talent and use that to determine who is better. At the end of the day... talent is God given and it is not something YOU did, you were just born with it, so kudos to those who work hard and BECOME the best.... Go Lin Dan!!!!!

Well, Taufik Hidayat HAS WON the Olympics and Asian Games Individual Event GOLD MEDALS.

When it comes to the crunch match (WC 2005 and AG Indiv Final), Lin Dan ALWAYS CRUMBLE! I am not surprised Lin Dan actually mentioned that Taufik is the BEST PLAYER in the world right now.

Gee...I am beginning to sound more and more like indra :eek:

there's no doubt in my mind that TH is the most talented player, but he just lacks consistency and motivation. i think if he had buckled down and just concentrated on his game, he would have completely dominated the singles scene for the last 5 years or so.
'Not completely dominated' but would give LD a good run...you know that is difficult for TH to do, because the nightclub, smoking, partying, pretty girls...too much to give up...hehehe!!!:D:p

talent is God given and it is not something YOU did, you were just born with it, so kudos to those who work hard and BECOME the best.... Go Lin Dan!!!!!
100% agree to that, what you make of yourself by training is much more honorable than given talent.
This is not ment to discredit Taufik, who is a great player but I respect someone who is so determined and dedicated to get to the top more than someone who can achieve nearly everything because of his talent and therefore doesn't train as hard as he could (not saying this is the case with TH ;) )

Heh there's no way I'd believe Lin Dan actually said that. I mean, what the heck, Lin Dan has been at the very top for like 3 years already and has beaten Taufik more times than Taufik has beaten him, so why would he ever say such a thing.
What make you think LD would not say it? LD is not superman that no one can beat him.....:cool::cool: it seems that you know LD so well inside out...:D

For him to make this statement,it shows that LD knows that beating TH is not always easy and tough.....also he shows his respect to TH which he knows that TH always gets important titles....it is good that it shows LD is a bit humble....

What make you think LD would not say it? LD is not superman that no one can beat him.....:cool::cool: it seems that you know LD so well inside out...:D

For him to make this statement,it shows that LD knows that beating TH is not always easy and tough.....also he shows his respect to TH which he knows that TH always gets important titles....it is good that it shows LD is a bit humble....

i agree. i can believe LD actually said that. it shows that he has respect to his fellow player and competitor. such respect is hard to come by these days in the age of trash talking. i in turn have given LD much more respect for being humble towards his fellow players. badminton has historically been a sport of the gentlemen and hats off to LD for saying that.

There is beyond a shadow of a doubt that Taufik is the best player of the world.I fully agree with Krisna he will be the Federer of badminton if his fitness,commitment and dedication is in place.

LinDan always knew that Taufik is the best. Taufik want to be the best if he wants to. But unfortunately he is not showing it at times.

there's no doubt in my mind that TH is the most talented player, but he just lacks consistency and motivation. i think if he had buckled down and just concentrated on his game, he would have completely dominated the singles scene for the last 5 years or so.

Taufik has been trying hard but like what he said, he's not a youngster anymore so can no longer play the power game once was fear by many. Still, we expect him to reach final against either Chong Wei or Lin Dan unless Simon has something else in mind :D

Taufik has been trying hard but like what he said, he's not a youngster anymore so can no longer play the power game once was fear by many. Still, we expect him to reach final against either Chong Wei or Lin Dan unless Simon has something else in mind :D
SS almost beat TH in Badminton Superleague...tough to play someone that you train with everyday....he may well beat TH...lets see.!!..of course TH has a better chance to deal with LCW or LD in final than SS....

Exactly. TH can never be as quick and powerful as before leh.

Let me do an advertisement for Han now. People, buy the 2004 Ind Open MSSF LD - TH disc, a great match. All three games fast as crazy. TH was fast, powerful, technically great; LD was even faster (like a lightning), similarly powerful, and so sharp. The best LD - TH match I have ever seen. :cool:

Taufik has been trying hard but like what he said, he's not a youngster anymore so can no longer play the power game once was fear by many. Still, we expect him to reach final against either Chong Wei or Lin Dan unless Simon has something else in mind :D

SS almost beat TH in Badminton Superleague...tough to play someone that you train with everyday....he may well beat TH...lets see.!!..of course TH has a better chance to deal with LCW or LD in final than SS....
Are you sure what you wrote or a typo error...TH has better chance against world #1 and #4 than SS??:confused:

LinDan always knew that Taufik is the best. Taufik want to be the best if he wants to. But unfortunately he is not showing it at times.

So he is not the same Taufik he once was. We no longer can say if he want to win then he will win as he has failed so many times even though he tried hard. The competition is getting very tough in MS and Lin Dan is getting more versatile in techniques and more diplomatic in social, he even praised Taufik as the best player prior to their potential showdown, very smart and mature move. The exciting thing is the 2 potential players that are capable of dethroning Lin Dan are in his way, what else can we ask for ;) Simon, please lose for us :D

It really depends... LD usually has little trouble finishing his teammates (except CH), because he knows their games so well.

I think the problem with TH against SS is that SS has great technique and footwork, so TH will have no advantage unless he turned on his "turbo mode", but is he willing to use all his energy against SS?

tough to play someone that you train with everyday....he may well beat TH...lets see.!!..of course TH has a better chance to deal with LCW or LD in final than SS....

??? What makes you think SS will do better against LD or LCW? :confused:

Are you sure what you wrote or a typo error...TH has better chance against world #1 and #4 than SS??:confused:

When it comes to the crunch match (WC 2005 and AG Indiv Final), Lin Dan ALWAYS CRUMBLE! I am not surprised Lin Dan actually mentioned that Taufik is the BEST PLAYER in the world right now.

Sir! Completely disagree and the facts back it up. :)

In the last three years, no one has been better, more consistent than Lin Dan in MS.

+LD has won 38% of all the tournaments he's played in since he started.
+LD has medaled in 67% of all the tournaments he's played in since he started.
+LD has won 63% of the tournaments he's played in 2007
+LD has won 60% of the tournaments he's played in 2006
+LD has won 44% of the tournaments he's played in 2005

You can find all the data here:
http://www.internationalbadminton.org/playerinfo.asp?playerid=50906

It really depends on how you understand "want to"...

I think the 2nd WC title has made LD feel more secure, and therefore more confortable to praise TH. A sign of maturity and confidence. Good for him.

So he is not the same Taufik he once was. We no longer can say if he want to win then he will win as he has failed so many times even though he tried hard. The competition is getting very tough in MS and Lin Dan is getting more versatile in techniques and more diplomatic in social, he even praised Taufik as the best player prior to their potential showdown, very smart and mature move. The exciting thing is the 2 potential players that are capable of dethroning Lin Dan are in his way, what else can we ask for ;) Simon, please lose for us :D

Different ways of judging. No big deal.

Say one guy gets all A (no A-, no A+) in his classes. The other usually does other things than study, so usually B or C. But in a few classes he cares, he gets A+. Now who is a better? To me it's a hard choice.

Sir! Completely disagree and the facts back it up. :)

In the last three years, no one has been better, more consistent than Lin Dan in MS.

+LD has won 38% of all the tournaments he's played in since he started.
+LD has medaled in 67% of all the tournaments he's played in since he started.
+LD has won 63% of the tournaments he's played in 2007
+LD has won 60% of the tournaments he's played in 2006
+LD has won 44% of the tournaments he's played in 2005

You can find all the data here:
http://www.internationalbadminton.org/playerinfo.asp?playerid=50906

TH won olympic and lindan haven't yet.. that's why lindan still respects TH :D
hmm, i thot LD is arrogant and all other bad things?:p

Are you sure what you wrote or a typo error...TH has better chance against world #1 and #4 than SS??:confused:

if Simon gets to final, it will be his second....he has not met or played LD or LCW many times like TH so theorically Th is better to face LD/LCW than SS.....at least TH knows how to play LD or LCW plus ...not SS yet, ..for long term, of course I would like to see SS replacing TH for future....;)

The mind games had already begun.

Taufik has a big ego that Lin Dan is feeding, hopefully if they meet in the finals he'll burst.

TH is ready for Final since the first day of JO, He has changed a lot since his lost to AS in WC 2007.. he has learned something for that.

SS the future of Indonesia still need to learn from Taufik but I'm afraid that Taufik will lose tomorrow to let SS has a match with LD or LCW... for Experience reason...

I have heard that before that Taufik lost to Sony to let him has a great experience....

LD VS TH will be the most ........ match in the world right now......

Different ways of judging. No big deal.

Say one guy gets all A (no A-, no A+) in his classes. The other usually does other things than study, so usually B or C. But in a few classes he cares, he gets A+. Now who is a better? To me it's a hard choice.


But in the end, when you apply for college, they care about your overall GPA.;)

I'm talking about the best over all the last 3 years. LD has the proven track record.

TH is ready for Final since the first day of JO, He has changed a lot since his lost to AS in WC 2007.. he has learned something for that.

SS the future of Indonesia still need to learn from Taufik but I'm afraid that Taufik will lose tomorrow to let SS has a match with LD or LCW... for Experience reason...

I have heard that before that Taufik lost to Sony to let him has a great experience....

LD VS TH will be the most ........ match in the world right now......
If TH lets SS win...I will lose my PAWs again....:crying::crying:

Of course. That's why LD is ranked #1 right? But I am just saying in common ppl's eyes, or even in the two guys' high school teacher's eyes, it's hard to say. I teach classes and I praise "all A" students, but I guess deep in my heart I actually like the "a few A+" students more.

But in the end, when you apply for college, they care about your overall GPA.;)

I'm talking about the best over all the last 3 years. LD has the proven track record.

Sir! Completely disagree and the facts back it up. :)

In the last three years, no one has been better, more consistent than Lin Dan in MS.

+LD has won 38% of all the tournaments he's played in since he started.
+LD has medaled in 67% of all the tournaments he's played in since he started.
+LD has won 63% of the tournaments he's played in 2007
+LD has won 60% of the tournaments he's played in 2006
+LD has won 44% of the tournaments he's played in 2005

You can find all the data here:
http://www.internationalbadminton.org/playerinfo.asp?playerid=50906

Yes, totally agreed. By now if anyone still have doubt about how great Lin Dan is then why even spend time to argue or explain. Winning majority of the tournaments consistently should be the yardstick of greatness. Sure Lin Dan fumbled in Olympic 2004 and Asian Games 2006 and ???? Why only remembering his worst performance instead of embracing his countless achievement? Please, Taufik is great but Lin Dan is the GREATEST and I am a Malaysian fan commenting on 2 non-Malaysian players(meaning neutral).

I have heard that before that Taufik lost to Sony to let him has a great experience........
That's a new one to add to the long list of 'why TH lost' excuses:p:rolleyes:

That's a new one to add to 'why TH lost' excuses:p:rolleyes:
yeah you can say that every one who lost must have a reason or even excuse... but what you can say.... that's life

Sure, I am not saying that Lin Dan is not a great player. In fact, I have mentioned that NOONE can beat him except a fired-up Taufik.

While you guys have mentioned the facts, sadly, it still remains a fact that Lin Dan lost to Taufik Hidayat when it mattered (ironically) :cool:

Nobody expected Lin Dan to lose to Taufik in the Asian Games Final when he was so dominant, beating Taufik so many times in 2006. Yet, he crumbled in the Final and he admitted it.

So, in Lin Dan's mind, Taufik has nevertheless created a dark shadow that only by equalling his achievement (Olympics gold) will he able to erase that away :cool:

Well, LCW has beaten LinDan before. Ronald Susilo too. Lindan can be beaten not only by a fired up Taufik.

Sure, I am not saying that Lin Dan is not a great player. In fact, I have mentioned that NOONE can beat him except a fired-up Taufik.

While you guys have mentioned the facts, sadly, it still remains a fact that Lin Dan lost to Taufik Hidayat when it mattered (ironically) :cool:

Nobody expected Lin Dan to lose to Taufik in the Asian Games Final when he was so dominant, beating Taufik so many times in 2006. Yet, he crumbled in the Final and he admitted it.

So, in Lin Dan's mind, Taufik has nevertheless created a dark shadow that only by equalling his achievement (Olympics gold) will he able to erase that away :cool:
the olympic is just 'one' other tournament. Yes, it's your choice to judge a man by his 'one act' or his life time achievement:rolleyes: (beside, the olympic quest isnt finsihed for LD yet)

Agree. I think LD knows TH's best performance is still above him. After 05 WC, people said, "ah, LD was tired after the long match with Gade", but LD denied such excuse. After 06 AG (or 06 Jap, can't remember), some said LD is just not himself in the 1st game. Again LD said no, that is not the case.

But with his 2nd WC title, now it seems he becomes more confident and is closer to erase this "shadow", either by beating an "in form" TH, or by winning the Olympic title.


So, in Lin Dan's mind, Taufik has nevertheless created a dark shadow that only by equalling his achievement (Olympics gold) will he able to erase that away :cool:

Haha. Tell this "just one other tournament" theory to LYB.

Btw, when interviewed before 06 AG, LD said, there are two major tournaments in the near future for him, 06 AG and 08 Olympics.

the olympic is just 'one' other tournament. Yes, it's your choice to judge a man by his 'one act' or his life time achievement:rolleyes: (beside, the olympic quest isnt finsihed for LD yet)

Well, LCW has beaten LinDan before. Ronald Susilo too. Lindan can be beaten not only by a fired up Taufik.

At the time, LD did the greatest comeback against LCW. Then, only a few months later, to have LCW get revenge and do the greatest comeback (of the NSS) modern era. That game was unbelievable! Hats off to LCW for that amazing comeback. :) Wasn't he done 12-20 in the 3rd set or something? Absolutely amazing.

Haha. Tell this "just one other tournament" theory to LYB.

Btw, when interviewed before 06 AG, LD said, there are two major tournaments in the near future for him, 06 AG and 08 Olympics.


the first one [ag06] failed.. one more to go :D :D :p

LCW did 12:16 to 21:16 yesterday. Unbelievable. CJ's confidence must be shattered.

Also don't forget LD lost to "Chinese MS specialist" Boonsak Ponsana a few months ago too.

At the time, LD did the greatest comeback against LCW. Then, only a few months later, to have LCW get revenge and do the greatest comeback (of the NSS) modern era. That game was unbelievable! Hats off to LCW for that amazing comeback. :) Wasn't he done 12-20 in the 3rd set or something? Absolutely amazing.

Good morning my friends (GMT+8)

It's all mind games.

You can all go to sleep now.

the first one [ag06] failed.. one more to go :D :D :p

LD got bored beating TH.
in 06 AG, LD beaten TH twice already in qualifying and team events :p

TH mentioned that he still wanted to go to Beijing '08..I am sure that he needs points badly..so this time, he wont just let SS win ....remember that TH was asking to play at HK open this year as he needed more points for Beijing'08....

Man are you starting to find excuses for LD's losses? :D

LD got bored beating TH.
in 06 AG, LD beaten TH twice already in qualifying and team events :p

Mmm ... IMHO Taufik doesn't have what Federer has (consistencies in winning regular + big tournaments). If he had the consistency of winning tournaments, he might fail to win the big events (I say 'might' coz we never know). Winning a lot of tournaments might give players extra pressure to win the big events (Kim/Ra would be a good example, in fact they lost on the event that they really wanted to win the most. Because after winning a lot of tournaments consecutively, Kim/Ra felt that they were 'obligated' to win the olympics).

Taufik is no doubt the most-gifted players with wonderful techniques. He knows when to control his performance so that he would reach his peak-performance at big events. I'm not trying to find excuses for Taufik's losses in regular tournaments, I believe he really lost a lot of matches in those regular tournaments even when he played his best, but I just think he is so mentally-strong that those losses didn't bother him too much for big events preparations.


There is beyond a shadow of a doubt that Taufik is the best player of the world.I fully agree with Krisna he will be the Federer of badminton if his fitness,commitment and dedication is in place.

LD got bored beating TH.
in 06 AG, LD beaten TH twice already in qualifying and team events :p
But Individual events, LD lost to TH.....;)

Good morning my friends (GMT+8)

It's all mind games.

You can all go to sleep now.
I just woke up...can not sleep yet....:D:D still enjoying sunshine in new mexico

There is a good chance to get easy points in a few days -- Chinese Taipei Open, since China has withdrawn.

Especially good chance for Kido/Setiawan -- Can they become world No.1? And Lilyana/Vita -- Can they get enough ranking points so that they do not need to play pairs like Gao/Huang too early? And of course TH. If he can do well in Taipei, he can afford to skip a few other tournaments maybe.

TH mentioned that he still wanted to go to Beijing '08..I am sure that he needs points badly..so this time, he wont just let SS win ....remember that TH was asking to play at HK open this year as he needed more points for Beijing'08....

LD got bored beating TH.
in 06 AG, LD beaten TH twice already in qualifying and team events :p

the ugliest excuse i ever met :D :p

But Individual events, LD lost to TH.....;)

And that's the one that really mattered isn't it :rolleyes:

There is a good chance to get easy points in a few days -- Chinese Taipei Open, since China has withdrawn.

Especially good chance for Kido/Setiawan -- Can they become world No.1? And Lilyana/Vita -- Can they get enough ranking points so that they do not need to play pairs like Gao/Huang too early? And of course TH. If he can do well in Taipei, he can afford to skip a few other tournaments maybe.
China had withdrawn its players? really? since when??..pls tell me more...

the olympic is just 'one' other tournament. Yes, it's your choice to judge a man by his 'one act' or his life time achievement:rolleyes: (beside, the olympic quest isnt finsihed for LD yet)

Oh man...u have clearly underestimated the prestige of this "one" tournament :eek:

Remember also how Kim Dong Moon/Ra Kyung Min basically dominated the entire XD field for a few years, only to lose tragically in the early rounds of Athens 2004. Try telling them that the Olympics is just "one" other tournament :cool: The defeat was really painful to them....

China had withdrawn its players? really? since when??..pls tell me more...

china olny send their second class players

Talking about consistency, definitely LD. But talking about peak performance, I think TH at his peak is the most formidable MS in the 21st century.

Also I think Kim/Ra is simply mentally exhausted in those big events. They both play two events, with Kim the leader in Kim/Ha and Ra need to do everything in Ra/Lee (compare, alghouth Gao Ling needs to play two events, Gao/Huang are more balanced). They are visibly tired in 01 WC XD final, and Kim simply seems mentally exhausted in 01 WC MD final. In 03 WC Ha was injured and Kim was soooo agressive and dominant in his XD games.

Mmm ... IMHO Taufik doesn't have what Federer has (consistencies in winning regular + big tournaments). If he had the consistency of winning tournaments, he might fail to win the big events (I say 'might' coz we never know). Winning a lot of tournaments might give players extra pressure to win the big events (Kim/Ra would be a good example, in fact they lost on the event that they really wanted to win the most. Because after winning a lot of tournaments consecutively, Kim/Ra felt that they were 'obligated' to win the olympics).

Taufik is no doubt the most-gifted players with wonderful techniques. He knows when to control his performance so that he would reach his peak-performance at big events. I'm not trying to find excuses for Taufik's losses in regular tournaments, I believe he really lost a lot of matches in those regular tournaments even when he played his best, but I just think he is so mentally-strong that those losses didn't bother him too much for big events preparations.

I'm surprised they're actually entering Taipei Open.

Really? From what I saw in www.chinabadminton.com (in their forums), China has called the organizer saying they withdraw. Guess for political reasons.

china olny send their second class players

Oh boy, I gotta stop "participating" in these discussions. It happens every time TH and LD are about to or potentially are about to meet. :p

You guys have fun! :D

Currently, CHN's top players are STILL ENTERED in the main draw of the Chinese Taipei Open. Who said that they are only fielding the second team? :cool:

I think Taipei open is really not important before the super series, am I right?

I'm surprised they're actually entering Taipei Open.

I think Taipei open is really not important before the super series, am I right?
Not really. You've already mentioned the reason why this is/likely/usually/normally happening.

Too bad if CHN withdrew for political reasons...I thought they sent their best players to show that Taiwan belongs to China....

What I mean is, it's like a <4* open in the past few years if I remembered correctly. So back then it doesn't matter for China to skip it. Now things are different.

Not really. You've already mentioned the reason why this is/likely/usually/normally happening.

What I mean is, it's like a <4* open in the past few years if I remembered correctly. So back then it doesn't matter for China to skip it. Now things are different.
Let's just conclude it this way - the Taipei Open ranking points are 'worthless'.

We better leave it at that.

Let's just conclude it this way - the Taipei Open ranking points are 'worthless'.

We better leave it at that.
The ranking points are not worthless...as it will be counted toward Olympic qualifying points....so you will see more top ten players play at Gold GP level...until next april ( if I am not wrong, the cut off or deadline for Beijing'08)

Indo can win by giving team order to have TH Walkover to final, then either LCW or LD would've been tired from playing each other.

And Indo win GOLD! :p

Oh boy, I gotta stop "participating" in these discussions. It happens every time TH and LD are about to or potentially are about to meet. :p

You guys have fun! :D
i think these are usually started by 'TH is greatest' fans;)

Oh boy, I gotta stop "participating" in these discussions. It happens every time TH and LD are about to or potentially are about to meet. :p

You guys have fun! :D
It always happens...especially it starts with some people called" Players' fans".

As long as it is healthy debate...why not? some start with baseless statements...that how it goes....;);)

Started with LD's fans too...:D:D

:)
China's Lin reach Japan Open badminton semis, Zhang out
:p..apontoh brought up an article and sort of focused on a very small part of the article. Yet, when i read the whole article, i only get a feeling that both players respect each other's game and acknowledge that they are still "missing something" or "haven't fully regained the playing form"..If i remember correctly, this type of "comment" had been said before by LinDan (and probably Taufik), in their many interview transcriptions..But hey, for whatever it's worth and to tickle the many baddy fanatics in BC, hey might as well bring it up again..:p:D:rolleyes:
The competition is getting very tough in MS and Lin Dan is getting more versatile in techniques and more diplomatic in social, he even praised Taufik as the best player prior to their potential showdown, very smart and mature move.
..ya ya ya, concur!:D...Nothing more and nothing less, actually--what's wiser to say than those complimentary & respectful words..:)
Oh boy, I gotta stop "participating" in these discussions. It happens every time TH and LD are about to or potentially are about to meet. :p

You guys have fun! :D
:)..yah, good choice, Master NGP!;):D:cool:

The ranking points are not worthless...as it will be counted toward Olympic qualifying points....so you will see more top ten players play at Gold GP level...until next april ( if I am not wrong, the cut off or deadline for Beijing'08)
I give up. I'm happy we're actually veering away from that which is highly contentious. Good. :)

Well done LCW... U r the BEST!!

So sad tat Lin lost... I almost threw away my tv remote control tat time... Wat a waste, cant c Lin in finals... Sad Sad Sad!!! :(

Life goes on, my friend. His defeat is nothing compared to world hunger.

Yea... Besides, he has too many medals in his bag... Short of 1 is nth serious... Haha... He'll get LCW back next time, he always did... GO LIN!!!

i was out all evenng and hasnt watched any of the SF. Congrats to lcw over LD. LCW definitely seem to be more fit than LD today. As u know, cooler has explanations to everything :D:D After winning the 07 WC, i doubt LD had maintained his form for the JO. Secondly, since comparison are constantly made about how TH is better than LD because of the gold title at 04 athen, LD and LYB's target is the 08 OG. Playing all out and winning all the tournaments between now and the 08 OG is not of great importance. Like, why risk injury during the next 11 months time frame? Maybe only 08 AE is worth owning because it would prevent TH claiming the grand slam status of badminton (OG, WC, AE) Both TH and LD is missing one piece of these hardware.

I predict that LD wont be winning much tournaments after 07 WC to the 08 OG time period, maybe except for the 08 AE.

i was out all evenng and hasnt watched any of the SF. Congrats to lcw over LD. LCW definitely seem to be more fit than LD today. As u know, cooler has explanations to everything :D:D After winning the 07 WC, i doubt LD had maintained his form for the JO. Secondly, since comparison are constantly made about how TH is better than LD because of the gold title at 04 athen, LD and LYB's target is the 08 OG. Playing all out and winning all the tournaments between now and the 08 OG is not of great importance. Like, why risk injury during the next 11 months time frame? Maybe only 08 AE is worth owning because it would prevent TH claiming the grand slam status of badminton (OG, WC, AE) Both TH and LD is missing one piece of these hardware.

I predict that LD wont be winning much tournaments after 07 WC to the 08 OG time period, maybe except for the 08 AE.

Just to deny TH of AE title...that is tough for TH fans, hehehe!!! :p:p:D:D

Wow, LD lost his form pretty drastically, I wonder why LYB let it happened, it seems like all CHN MS and MD players are going downhill at Japan Open ... is this LYB's strategy? It seems like a very strange strategy.

Excellent come back by LCW, who just had a problem at World Championships and now in the final challenging TH, it will be a good match, as it seems like both of them want to prove something, TH seems in good form as well as LCW.

Wow, LD lost his form pretty drastically, I wonder why LYB let it happened, it seems like all CHN MS and MD players are going downhill at Japan Open ... is this LYB's strategy? It seems like a very strange strategy.

Excellent come back by LCW, who just had a problem at World Championships and now in the final challenging TH, it will be a good match, as it seems like both of them want to prove something, TH seems in good form as well as LCW.

LD may only care about OG 2008 now (i think) that's the major tournament he haven't won yet :D :D

i was out all evenng and hasnt watched any of the SF. Congrats to lcw over LD. LCW definitely seem to be more fit than LD today. As u know, cooler has explanations to everything :D:D After winning the 07 WC, i doubt LD had maintained his form for the JO. Secondly, since comparison are constantly made about how TH is better than LD because of the gold title at 04 athen, LD and LYB's target is the 08 OG. Playing all out and winning all the tournaments between now and the 08 OG is not of great importance. Like, why risk injury during the next 11 months time frame? Maybe only 08 AE is worth owning because it would prevent TH claiming the grand slam status of badminton (OG, WC, AE) Both TH and LD is missing one piece of these hardware.

I predict that LD wont be winning much tournaments after 07 WC to the 08 OG time period, maybe except for the 08 AE.
Did you hear what that silly commentator said after LD's loss? She said he's not expected to win because of his WC effort. How then did LD win WC06 and JO06 last year consecutively?
And if LD's gonna take it easy between now and OG08, he may not be seeded #1 or even #2.
Sign of the times...don't you think so?

One question: Why is it so strange that LD was defeated by LCW?

One question: Why is it so strange that LD was defeated by LCW?

the strange is Lcw won rather easily :D :D

One question: Why is it so strange that LD was defeated by LCW?

Same reason why it is so strange that all popular players lost... for further reasons(excuses), refer to the old "why Taufik lost", "why KKK/TBH lost" threads.:p

Now I remember why I took a year's sojourn off the competition parts of BC...

Really? From what I saw in www.chinabadminton.com (http://www.chinabadminton.com) (in their forums), China has called the organizer saying they withdraw. Guess for political reasons.
It's not political;it's because their top players are not in good shape and if they were to lose again in TPE07,competition will know they have lost their edge and will have no respect for them in court.Part of CHN players' winning edge is because their opponents think they are 'so good they are hard to beat'.LYB knows the importance 'packaging' is to .his players.Once the packaging is stripped off,opponents will find them 20% easier to defeat.

It's not political;it's because their top players are not in good shape and if they were to lose again in TPE07,competition will know they have lost their edge and will have no respect for them in court.Part of CHN players' winning edge is because their opponents think they are 'so good they are hard to beat'.LYB knows the importance 'packaging' is to .his players.Once the packaging is stripped off,opponents will find them 20% easier to defeat.

It is political, regardless of how they coat it with sugar.

It seems that for some BCers here it is hard to accept if LD lost...then some gave him excuses...blah..blah..even LD himself did not make any excuses why he lost to LCW as LCW played better....no player in the world is thinking....lets lose this tournament and focus winning the other one..good luck!!...in these days, MS are very competitive...lost is lost...period!! LD is not Superman...we all know that...no excuses please!!

One question: Why is it so strange that LD was defeated by LCW?

LCW starting to win over LD on regular basis... NO MORE STRANGE will be..

a lot of strange things happening in badminton nowadays. even the top players lose to unseeded ones when they are highly expected to win. "consistency" is a rare trait but i guess this will spell the big difference between winning and going home early . . .

3 WC are gone, MS, WS and MD....tough to maintain high peak after winning WC but XD and WD WC are still in final..lets see!!

Did you hear what that silly commentator said after LD's loss? She said he's not expected to win because of his WC effort. How then did LD win WC06 and JO06 last year consecutively?
And if LD's gonna take it easy between now and OG08, he may not be seeded #1 or even #2.
Sign of the times...don't you think so?ok, i admit to miss out one other minor details (actually just thot of it after i awoke this morning and came here to add this comment but found u caught it already;). I forgot to add that LD will play good enough to secure a good seed position going into the 08 OG plus denying TH the 08 AE:p.

It is political, regardless of how they coat it with sugar.
If it's political, why did CHN not withdraw the whole team?
Were you around during the SO07 and IO07 tournaments? Both LD and CY were scheduled to play in IO07. However, in SO07,both LD and CY lost to Boonsak for the first time in their meetings. Not only that, both were mentally shaken and LYB knew both were in no position to play well in IO07 ,so both pulled out. Cannot be political in Indonesia , can it?
LYB knows the importance of preserving LD's "armour" and will not risk letting LD lose badly two tournaments in a row.

You have much to learn about politics, my friend.

That said, we really should stop talking about things that will get this thread locked.

I forgot to add that LD will play good enough to secure a good seed position going into the 08 OG plus denying TH the 08 AE:p.

Hmmm... He might / might not win AE next year, but the best player in the world [TH] will win AE before he retires... ;)

Maybe only 08 AE is worth owning because it would prevent TH claiming the grand slam status of badminton (OG, WC, AE) Both TH and LD is missing one piece of these hardware.
To me, LD still has Asian Games & Asian Championship besides Olympic, to catch up in order to complete the Grand Slams collection. Taufik, on the other hand, is just missing an All England title from his collection. That's why Taufik is still the best player so far.

i agree. i can believe LD actually said that. it shows that he has respect to his fellow player and competitor. such respect is hard to come by these days in the age of trash talking. i in turn have given LD much more respect for being humble towards his fellow players. badminton has historically been a sport of the gentlemen and hats off to LD for saying that.

Well said Mr Kwun. LD may appear to be arrogant on court to some but I have yet to hear anything distasteful/disrespectful towards others from his mouth (correct me if I am wrong).

BTW, most of the Chinese players went back to their hometown after the WC 07 and training was disrupted. They were not at the physical best and LYB knows that (in case anti-LYB thinks his head will roll after the JO). However we should not take away any credit from LCW, TH and the Danes who deserve credit for their performance and wins.

Just to deny TH of AE title...that is tough for TH fans, hehehe!!! :p:p:D:D
It reminds me of Nadal denying Federer in French Open.:D:p

Just to deny TH of AE title...that is tough for TH fans, hehehe!!! :p:p:D:D

well..lets see..many players beside TH will deny LD's bid for OG...I will be there to support TH ...

well..lets see..many players beside TH will deny LD's bid for OG...I will be there to support TH ...
I just pray that all players will stay healthy till the Beijing Olympic.:)

You have much to learn about politics, my friend.

That said, we really should stop talking about things that will get this thread locked.
You are 99% right. I have much to learn about politics. Say, CH must have a lotta guts to defy CHN directive?

You are 99% right. I have much to learn about politics. Say, CH must have a lotta guts to defy CHN directive?
Hey, CHN's a proud sporting nation. They can spare one or two has beens to the Taiwan's prestigious 4* tourney, no problems.

Either that or they've grown soft as Chen Hong is the best player in the world at the moment.

China's Lin reach Japan Open badminton semis, Zhang out

1 hour ago
TOKYO (AFP) —
"I think Taufik is the best player in the world. He has won the Olympics and the world championships. I always play trying to catch up with him," said Lin.
Hidayat said: "I won the gold medal in the 2004 Olympics, but I was still young then. It's a competition of the highest level, but I still have some titles I haven't won yet.
"The people of my country expect me to do more. That's what keeps me continuing to play badminton."


it's too contradictive.
after AG 06, Lin Dan said that "I am better than Taufik". in just 38 days, he prove that he is absolutely right, bt TH in Mal SS in first round.
That's the last meeting between both of them, and he just won the prestigious WC, so it is strange to say that LD will say like that, coz it's a common thing in journalistic to add, delete, or change the content of interview, in order to increase the sales volume.

Ever heard of the concept 'mind games' ?

TH won olympic and lindan haven't yet.. that's why lindan still respects TH :D

ZJH never won the OG's gold, but he trounce Alan in AE 90 final. In that match, Alan even couldn't see where is the shuttlecock smashed by ZJH. Proof that ZJH's class is absolutely higher than anyone else (include Alan). ZJH must respects Alan too?

and Xia Xuanze, Sun Jun, Dong Jiong and Chen Hong must respects Ji XP?

Because deep in Lin Dan's heart, he knows the same truth that many others know: Taufik is the best player in the world [when properly conditioned and motivated]... ;) Because Lin Dan played Taufik many times, he knows even more than the rest of us... that Taufik is actually more talented than him!

But we can all give Lin credit for his conditioning, consistency, and dedication to being excellent all the time. These 3 things are the things that prevented Taufik from being the Federer of Badminton...

deep in TH's heart, he knows that who is the best. do u want to prove?

after LD trounced him in JO 06 final, with 18 points gap (the biggest defeat in his carrier), who said that "he is the reigning world champion and world #1. Lin Dan is the best player ever in the world. no need to argue about that". can u answer it?

Because deep in Lin Dan's heart, he knows the same truth that many others know: Taufik is the best player in the world [when properly conditioned and motivated]... ;) Because Lin Dan played Taufik many times, he knows even more than the rest of us... that Taufik is actually more talented than him!

But we can all give Lin credit for his conditioning, consistency, and dedication to being excellent all the time. These 3 things are the things that prevented Taufik from being the Federer of Badminton...

if TH more talented than LD, why TH lost most of the times against LD? H2H proof that LD is better than TH (8-5).

Haha. Tell this "just one other tournament" theory to LYB.

Btw, when interviewed before 06 AG, LD said, there are two major tournaments in the near future for him, 06 AG and 08 Olympics.

Let me correct some facts.

1st level of tourneys (provide HIGHEST ranking pts) : OG & WC
status : official

2nd level of tourney (provide ranking pts and Highest prize money) : Final SS
status : official

3rd level of tourneys (provide rangking pts and prize money) : 12 SS tourneys
status : official

4th level of tourney (provide prize money, without rangking pts) : World Cup
status : unofficial

5th level of tourney (without anything) : AG
status : unofficial

To me, LD still has Asian Games & Asian Championship besides Olympic, to catch up in order to complete the Grand Slams collection. Taufik, on the other hand, is just missing an All England title from his collection. That's why Taufik is still the best player so far.

AG is an unofficial tourney of BWF. ABC is just a "semi-official" tourney.

In this world, we have 5 continents, but in badminton, we only have 2 continental championships (CC).
In football, FIFA organize all 5 CC, and FIFA has clear objective to organize CC. the winner of each CC will play in Confederations Cup (for national team) and FIFA World Cup Club Championships (for club). How about badminton? the winner of each CC will play in what event?
What is the objective to organize 2 CC? Why BWF won't organize the other 3 CC? the badminton federations from those 3 continents is not a member of BWF?

The mind games had already begun.

Taufik has a big ego that Lin Dan is feeding, hopefully if they meet in the finals he'll burst.

that's right. it's only a mind games. for TH's die-hard fans, don't over-joy about LD's statement, coz TH praise LD first, so it is a compulsory for LD to replies that praise. If LD didn't replies it, ppl may think LD is arrogant.

Looks Like Some One Is Return With A Vengeance :eek:

Hmmm... He might / might not win AE next year, but the best player in the world [TH] will win AE before he retires... ;)

the best player? in what category?

H2H : LD vs TH 8-5
plus, LD can maintain his WR #1 position for 3,5 consecutive yrs.
plus, from Oct 04 until Dec 06, at least, LIN DAN always Qualify into SF for 23 TOURNAMENTS IN A ROW!
can any other MS players from this planet can do the same?

the best player? in what category?

H2H : LD vs TH 8-5
plus, LD can maintain his WR #1 position for 3,5 consecutive yrs.
plus, from Oct 04 until Dec 06, at least, LIN DAN always Qualify into SF for 23 TOURNAMENTS IN A ROW!
can any other MS players from this planet can do the same?

If LD praises Th or TH praises LD so what? whats wrong with you? you are too obvious of LD die hard's fans...TH is older than LD anyway...do you want to compare TH vs Xie Xuan Ze too????? basically LD has not won Olynmpics yet but TH did...which is more important to you?

Let them have a peace...LD , TH, LCW or PG are equal to me....

Rudy hartono could do that....Rudy Hartono won AE 8 times..Can LD do that??? if you want to start comparing...lets do it...

it's too contradictive.
after AG 06, Lin Dan said that "I am better than Taufik". in just 38 days, he prove that he is absolutely right, bt TH in Mal SS in first round.
That's the last meeting between both of them, and he just won the prestigious WC, so it is strange to say that LD will say like that, coz it's a common thing in journalistic to add, delete, or change the content of interview, in order to increase the sales volume.
So basically you said that LD is liar? who are you? how come you are sure that LD wont say that....LD is getting older..he is getting wiser...not like you are so arrogant...:mad::mad:

I think basically you accuse all journalists here did not tell the truth..!!!
I think you should interview LD to make sure if he ever said that....you are really arrogant!!

there's no doubt in my mind that TH is the most talented player, but he just lacks consistency and motivation. i think if he had buckled down and just concentrated on his game, he would have completely dominated the singles scene for the last 5 years or so.

I thought it was Zhao Jian Hua (who can outplayed and trounced OG's champion Alan, WC's champion Joko, Ardi, Swie King, and Morten). ZJH was the most skilled player ever in the world!

I thought it was Zhao Jian Hua (who can outplayed and trounced OG's champion Alan, WC's champion Joko, Ardi, Swie King, and Morten). ZJH was the most skilled player ever in the world!

Blah..blah..blah..like noone ever beat ZJH...even INA beat yang yang and ZJH also....;);)

So basically you said that LD is liar? who are you? how come you are sure that LD wont say that....LD is getting older..he is getting wiser...not like you are so arrogant...:mad::mad:

I think basically you accuse all journalists here did not tell the truth..!!!
I think you should interview LD to make sure if he ever said that....you are really arrogant!!

I think Dong Jiong has raised a reasonable doubt. That's how the Chinese (incl. HK & especially Taiwan) media works nowadays. They like to ask leading questions to yield attractive headlines.

Instead of trying to hack into Lin Dan's mind (which is almost impossible unless you can install a brain scanning machine on his head), why don't we just stick to discussing which player is the best from our OWN point of view and based on our OWN criteria.

If LD praises Th or TH praises LD so what? whats wrong with you? you are too obvious of LD die hard's fans...TH is older than LD anyway...do you want to compare TH vs Xie Xuan Ze too????? basically LD has not won Olynmpics yet but TH did...which is more important to you?

Let them have a peace...LD , TH, LCW or PG are equal to me....

Rudy hartono could do that....Rudy Hartono won AE 8 times..Can LD do that??? if you want to start comparing...lets do it...

no CHN & KOR at Rudi's era. no need to blame CHN, coz it's a politicial reason to prohibited CHN to participate.
just for info, OG 92 was the first time for South Africa to play in OG, after 20 yrs of issolation from IOC, due to the apartheid act. IOC and any other sports federations was not fair to CHN & South Africa. IOC should banned USA also in OG 04, coz USA forced Iraq.

if LD lived in Rudi's era, no doubt, HE CAN DO IT!

I think Dong Jiong has raised a reasonable doubt. That's how the Chinese (incl. HK & especially Taiwan) media works nowadays. They like to ask leading questions to yield attractive headlines.

Instead of trying to hack into Lin Dan's mind (which is almost impossible unless you can install a brain scanning machine on his head), why don't we just stick to discussing which player is the best from our OWN point of view and based on our OWN criteria.

Well...look at all his posts....basically he just said that All chinese are the BEST!!! period...if LD said that..just take it...why we have to question if he said that sincerely, etc..if we do that..I guess we will not believe whoever say, right? I just do not think it is fair to accuse LD that..hm..it is so strange that you said that...blah..blah.....I will be in Macau soon..I will ask some chinese officials..

no CHN & KOR at that time. no need to blame CHN, coz it's a politicial reason to prohibited CHN to participate. just for info, OG 92 was the first time for South Africa to play in OG, after 20 yrs of issolation from IOC, due to the apartheid act. IOC and any other sports federations was not fair to CHN & South Africa. IOC should banned USA also in OG 04, coz USA forced Iraq.

if LD lived in Rudi's era, no doubt, HE CAN DO IT!

IF..... IF......IF.........IF..........

no CHN & KOR at Rudi's era. no need to blame CHN, coz it's a politicial reason to prohibited CHN to participate.
just for info, OG 92 was the first time for South Africa to play in OG, after 20 yrs of issolation from IOC, due to the apartheid act. IOC and any other sports federations was not fair to CHN & South Africa. IOC should banned USA also in OG 04, coz USA forced Iraq.

if LD lived in Rudi's era, no doubt, HE CAN DO IT!


If Alan Kopp is of this era, he is likely to beat LD. If Yang Yang is of this era, LD will lose to him.

IF...
a picture paints a thousand words, then why can't I paint you?

lol... all of a sudden, a LD die-hard fan bashes comments here...
why are you so fumed by other people's comments?
are you new to this forum? i mean, why do you need to get mad over some old issues of who's the best badminton player... for many of the forumers, a threads like these are close to nonsense...

IF...
a picture paints a thousand words, then why can't I paint you?
that's the only bread i like more than rice;)

that's the only bread i like more than rice;)
very nice one cooler! :D :p:D:p

finally, this thread has become quiet (or maybe not that hot or loud)... wheew...:o

there is no right answer to this thread since 'best' is in the eyes of beholder.

best talents, skills are mostly subjective.
best record of tournament winnings can still be subjective because everybody see different importance attached to each tournament.

best number of tournament success, i would say lin dan.

there is no right answer to this thread since 'best' is in the eyes of beholder.

best talents, skills are mostly subjective.
best record of tournament winnings can still be subjective because everybody see different importance attached to each tournament.

best number of tournament success, i would say lin dan.

Agree with you best is in the eyes of the beholder...cannot compare past champions from different eras...but from a one game standpoint, JZH in my opinion, demonstrated the best performance I have ever seen...one game and he demonstrated all the technicals, smashes, deception, etc...playing as though he has another pair of eyes to keep track of where Joko was on the court. If not for one mistake, he would have white washed a world champion in the final of AE, never happens ever in history of AE.
But if you talk about domination, Rudy gotta be the one, during his hey days, he was unbeatable, then there was no CHN, KOR was nowhere, all Rudy had to worry was Punch, Tan Aik Huang, Sven Pri, some guys from England and even Canada (Paulson) and those were his main opponents year in year out. Nowadays, with the army of CHN MS, INA, KOR, DEN, MAS and IND coming up, and 21-point unpredictable system, 8 AE would not occur again, at least not in my lifetime.

IF..... IF......IF.........IF..........

they aren't in the same generation. but recently, LD had already won it 3 times in the "FULL COMPETITION ERA".

there is no right answer to this thread since 'best' is in the eyes of beholder.

best talents, skills are mostly subjective.
best record of tournament winnings can still be subjective because everybody see different importance attached to each tournament.

best number of tournament success, i would say lin dan.

Yes, that's right. a total of 26 titles; 24 titles from 24 official tourneys, the rest from unofficial tourneys (invitational World Cup). no one player can't achieve it, even the heroes from the past!

they aren't in the same generation. but recently, LD had already won it 3 times in the "FULL COMPETITION ERA".
LD has not won Olympics yet..TH did.....even Asian games
LD need to win Olympics, Asian games and Asian Championship.....
TH needs to win All England....so who is better??? forget head to head...who collected more pretigious titles..One Olympic titles is more than WC or any SS series...:cool::cool:

Yes, that's right. a total of 26 titles; 24 titles from 24 official tourneys, the rest from unofficial tourneys (invitational World Cup). no one player can't achieve it, even the heroes from the past!

but no OLympics........:(:(:(

Blah..blah..blah..like noone ever beat ZJH...even INA beat yang yang and ZJH also....;);)

For sure, noone player / pair that never lost during his carrier. the duo G from CHN also ever lost. ZJH also ever lost. but how many times they can beat ZJH? otherwise, how many times ZJH beat them? u can count it.

For sure, noone player / pair that never lost during his carrier. the duo G from CHN also ever lost. ZJH also ever lost. but how many times they can beat ZJH? otherwise, how many times ZJH beat them? u can count it.
In this case...not many beat Rudy hartono as well as Lim Swie King too.....

Looks Like Some One Is Return With A Vengeance :eek:


yup. but swiftly taken care of. :cool:

it's simply,taufik has change the way people look at badminton.to make badminton like tennis we need more players like taufik,who really can entertaint the audience.neutral audience doesn't care what country you come from.taufik often " WOW" every eyes who watch him play,even if he lose... i really dont care. I love badminton and the way he play really make me satisfied. no wonder lin dan said "Taufik is the best Player In The World"

AG is an unofficial tourney of BWF. ABC is just a "semi-official" tourney.
Some funny observations here:

(1) LD never wins tournaments which are held every 4 years such as Olympic Games & Asian Games.:D:p
(2) LD never wins tournaments which are held every 2 years such as World Championship. He only started winning after the WC has been changed to an annual event.:D:p
（3） Obviously, TH knows when to win & win big.:D:p

Note: Dong Jiong, u sound like 2cents!:D:p

LD has not won Olympics yet..TH did.....even Asian games
LD need to win Olympics, Asian games and Asian Championship.....
TH needs to win All England....so who is better??? forget head to head...who collected more pretigious titles..One Olympic titles is more than WC or any SS series...:cool::cool:

1 OG > 1 WC & 3 AE?

1 > 4?

LD has not won Olympics yet..TH did.....even Asian games
LD need to win Olympics, Asian games and Asian Championship.....
TH needs to win All England....so who is better??? forget head to head...who collected more pretigious titles..One Olympic titles is more than WC or any SS series...:cool::cool:

so Ji XP > Xia, Dong J, Sun J, CH & LD???

if Anup Sridhar won the next year OG's gold, AS > LD?
if Firdasari won, she is better than Xie XF, Ye ZY, Gong RN, Mia Audina & Camilla Martin?
where is the logic?
one OG's gold is enough to justify which one is better?

so Ji XP > Xia, Dong J, Sun J, CH & LD???

if Anup Sridhar won the next year OG's gold, AS > LD?
if Firdasari won, she is better than Xie XF, Ye ZY, Gong RN, Mia Audina & Camilla Martin?
where is the logic?
one OG's gold is enough to justify which one is better?
please look at it in a player's point of view, if you ask LD, i think he'll galdly exchange his AE titles for Olympic gold medal back in 2004...:D:p

besides, many players are considering to quit after OG... isn't this a proof enough? i mean, players don't give WC and others tournaments as much importance as they give the OG..

quoted misbun and rexy for saying a million times: OUR TARGET IS TO QUALIFY AND WIN THE GOLD IN BEIJING...:)

please look at it in a player's point of view, if you ask LD, i think he'll galdly exchange his AE titles for Olympic gold medal back in 2004...:D:p

besides, many players are considering to quit after OG... isn't this a proof enough? i mean, players don't give WC and others tournaments as much importance as they give the OG..

quoted misbun and rexy for saying a million times: OUR TARGET IS TO QUALIFY AND WIN THE GOLD IN BEIJING...:)

OG is the most prestigious tourney only, not THE MOST DIFFICULT TOURNEY TO WIN. every tourney (SS, WC & OG) is equal (in term of the level of competition).
win an OG doesn't make you the best in the world.
in chess, Gary Kasparov can win against a SUPER COMPUTER. he can claim that he is the best in the world, coz he can beat the MOST DIFFICULT OPPONENT!
in badminton, the contestants in OG was also the contestants in GP or SS tourneys, so the level of competition in SS and OG is the same. no different at all!

please look at it in a player's point of view, if you ask LD, i think he'll galdly exchange his AE titles for Olympic gold medal back in 2004...:D:p

besides, many players are considering to quit after OG... isn't this a proof enough? i mean, players don't give WC and others tournaments as much importance as they give the OG..

quoted misbun and rexy for saying a million times: OUR TARGET IS TO QUALIFY AND WIN THE GOLD IN BEIJING...:)

u misunderstood my comment.

what I want to say is "an OG winner isn't BETTER than the others".
the same logic can apply too in WC & AE winner.
the one who can win the most tourneys can claim that HE IS THE BEST!

In this case...not many beat Rudy hartono as well as Lim Swie King too.....

coz not many dangerous players at that time. compare it to ZJH & YY era.
at ZJH & YY era, every players from every countries had already participated. and at that time, all of us know the term "4 heavenly kings". can u said that the level of competition in YY's era is the same with Rudy and LSK era?

LD has not won Olympics yet..TH did.....even Asian games
LD need to win Olympics, Asian games and Asian Championship.....
TH needs to win All England....so who is better??? forget head to head...who collected more pretigious titles..One Olympic titles is more than WC or any SS series...:cool::cool:

ask PG, KJ, CH and any other players, which one is prestigious: AE or AG?
ask the Indonesians, which one is prestigious : AE or AG? don't give a wrong answer, coz one of the Indonesians won it for 8 times.

who collected more prestigious titles? can't u count it?

ask PG, KJ, CH and any other players, which one is prestigious: AE or AG?
ask the Indonesians, which one is prestigious : AE or AG? don't give a wrong answer, coz one of the Indonesians won it for 8 times.

who collected more prestigious titles? can't u count it?
What????????O;ympics is better....why you choose AE or AG????
LD has not won Olympic...this is BIG one..answer me??? ask all Chinese..which is better Olympics or AE???

Ask PG/KJ about that it..dont get me wrong answer!!!

Michael 8 is Dong Jiong.................

OG is the most prestigious tourney only, not THE MOST DIFFICULT TOURNEY TO WIN. every tourney (SS, WC & OG) is equal (in term of the level of competition).
win an OG doesn't make you the best in the world.
in chess, Gary Kasparov can win against a SUPER COMPUTER. he can claim that he is the best in the world, coz he can beat the MOST DIFFICULT OPPONENT!
in badminton, the contestants in OG was also the contestants in GP or SS tourneys, so the level of competition in SS and OG is the same. no different at all!
Well..tell LYB and Chinese association..even LD is aiming to Olympics which is more important than anythings....you are so arrogant!!!!!

Ask LD which one is better..OG or AE???

Michael 8 is reincarnation of Dong Jiong..................

Michael 8 is reincarnation of Dong Jiong..................
HINTS - who is the Liverpool FC Spannish lethal Striker now :confused: :p:p

If he's Dong Jiong then I'm Reiko Shiota.

If he's Dong Jiong then I'm Reiko Shiota.

:D:D if you are Reiko, I will marry you then....:D:D
You may have proposal lined up soon...:D:D

I'm sorry guys, career first.

Well..tell LYB and Chinese association..even LD is aiming to Olympics which is more important than anythings....you are so arrogant!!!!!

Ask LD which one is better..OG or AE???

WC is more important. no restriction on the number of players for each country. AE is more competitive than OG too.

:D:D if you are Reiko, I will marry you then....:D:D
You may have proposal lined up soon...:D:D
To marry someone when you do not know the person or dated the person tells me either you are infatuated with Reiko, your hormones are dancing at the highest order....hehehe!! LOL!!:p:p;);):D:D

TH ever beat don jiong :) :)....

To marry someone when you do not know the person or dated the person tells me either you are infatuated with Reiko, your hormones are dancing at the highest order....hehehe!! LOL!!:p:p;);):D:D
Not to mention him not caring if my genes are of the XX or XY variety.

it's simply,taufik has change the way people look at badminton.to make badminton like tennis we need more players like taufik,who really can entertaint the audience.neutral audience doesn't care what country you come from.taufik often " WOW" every eyes who watch him play,even if he lose... i really dont care. I love badminton and the way he play really make me satisfied. no wonder lin dan said "Taufik is the best Player In The World"

i still remembered LD said BCL is the best player he has ever seen several months ago. after LD won the WC and AE, he is so confident to appraise other players.

i still remembered LD said BCL is the best player he has ever seen several months ago. after LD won the WC and AE, he is so confident to appraise other players.
LD is humbler now..I just cant believe that some BCers did not believe that LD would praise BCL or TH...or actually LD said that..nothing wrong with that...Even Tiger Or Federer praises his opponents..

Not to mention him not caring if my genes are of the XX or XY variety.


:D:D well..as long as you look like Reiko...I may get 2 in 1...:D:D ( joking lah)

Ever wonder if I would agree to this?

To marry someone when you do not know the person or dated the person tells me either you are infatuated with Reiko, your hormones are dancing at the highest order....hehehe!! LOL!!:p:p;);):D:D


:mad::mad: Of course..I had little sleep just to get scores for you guys..of course hormones is up....:mad::crying::crying::D:D

WC is more important. no restriction on the number of players for each country. AE is more competitive than OG too.
OG is more important than WC now since WC is almost yearly...even LYB mention that CHN is preparing to get all Olympics medals..even LD aims that OG especially in Beijing..that Dong Jiong/Michael 8 disputed it...what can I say..he is only 17...:D:D

This is a typical "anti-Olympic" argument. I think it really depends on how you define "difficulty".

Let's say we hold a tournament with all the badminton players around the world attending, three rounds everyday, continuously for several months. This is definitely a "competitive" tournament. However, most likely the champion would be someone who is just being the fittest (if we want to find out the fittest guy, there is no need to use badminton). This hypothetical tournament does not put any restriction, but do you think it could be an "important" tournament?

Olympics is hard in the sense that you meet tough opponents from the very first round, and every opponent is at his/her best. LD can beat a normal Susilo easily in opens, but in 04 Olympics he is facing a 100% if not 120% Susilo. Similarly, TH beated JXP comfortably in 2000 Thomas cup, but that's just a normal form JXP. In Olympics TH faced a 120% JXP and lost.

Finally about the AE > AG argument. It's arguable. But obviously AE is far less prestigious now than 30 years ago -- back then there was no world championship and that's why AE was so important. Now AE is just the most important in all the opens, nothing more. Personally I would say AG comparable to AE. So a total of 1 OG, 1 WC, 2 AGs for Taufik, and 2 WCs, 3 AEs for LD. Similar.

Btw, there were many ppl despising Taufik's OG by saying he hadn't met tough opponents (WCH, PG, BP, SSM). Any comment on LD's two WC champion routes? (06: HH, CH -- visibly exhausted, BCL; 07: Sridhar, BCL, SDK)? I really don't think LD's opponents are any harder to beat than TH's OG ones.

WC is more important. no restriction on the number of players for each country. AE is more competitive than OG too.

This is a typical "anti-Olympic" argument. I think it really depends on how you define "difficulty".

Let's say we hold a tournament with all the badminton players around the world attending, three rounds everyday, continuously for several months. This is definitely a "competitive" tournament. However, most likely the champion would be someone who is just being the fittest (if we want to find out the fittest guy, there is no need to use badminton). This hypothetical tournament does not put any restriction, but do you think it could be an "important" tournament?

Olympics is hard in the sense that you meet tough opponents from the very first round, and every opponent is at his/her best. LD can beat a normal Susilo easily in opens, but in 04 Olympics he is facing a 100% if not 120% Susilo. Similarly, TH beated JXP comfortably in 2000 Thomas cup, but that's just a normal form JXP. In Olympics TH faced a 120% JXP and lost.

Finally about the AE > AG argument. It's arguable. But obviously AE is far less prestigious now than 30 years ago -- back then there was no world championship and that's why AE was so important. Now AE is just the most important in all the opens, nothing more. Personally I would say AG comparable to AE. So a total of 1 OG, 1 WC, 2 AGs for Taufik, and 2 WCs, 3 AEs for LD. Similar.

Btw, there were many ppl despising Taufik's OG by saying he hadn't met tough opponents (WCH, PG, BP, SSM). Any comment on LD's two WC champion routes? (06: HH, CH -- visibly exhausted, BCL; 07: Sridhar, BCL, SDK)? I really don't think LD's opponents are any harder to beat than TH's OG ones.

I agree....for some people..Olympic si not important...but why China is so eager to win all medals..all players know if you win Olyumpics medal,..you will eb rich..ask CHinese Diver, I fogort his name..he is so rich after winning OG
You can ask Gao Ling how important to win OG....that Kid is do denial even his country is tryinmg to train so hard now to win OG..Trust me..if LD wins OG..suddenly they will say OG is more important than AE...what a stupid thinking that OG is not important....

Even Liu Xiang wanted OG medal than regular series he had collected...basicallay they wanted LD is the best..period